Sinclair, Inc.

Greetings and welcome to the Sinclair Inc. Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time all participants are on a listen-only mode and a question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Chris King, Vice President of Investor Relations. Chris, you may begin.

Thank you. Good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining Sinclair's Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Joining me on the call today are Chris Ridley, our President and Chief Executive Officer, Lucy Rudis-Houser, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Rob Weisbord, our Chief Operating Officer and President of Local Media. Before we begin, I want to remind everyone that slides for today's earnings call are available on our website, sbgi.net, on the events and presentation page of the investor relations portion of the site. A webcast replay will remain available on our website until our next quarterly earnings release. Certain matters discussed on this call may include forward-looking statements regarding, among other things, future operating results. Such statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results in the future could differ from those described in the forward-looking statements as a result of various important factors. Such factors have been set forth in the company's most recent reports as filed with the SEC and included in our third quarter earnings release. The company undertakes no obligation to update these forward-looking statements. Included on the call will be a discussion of non-GAAP financial measures, specifically adjusted EBITDA. This measure is not formulated in accordance with GAAP and is not meant to replace GAAP measurements and may differ from other companies' uses or formulations. Further discussions and reconciliations of the company's non-GAAP financial measures to comparable GAAP financial measures can be found on our website. Let me now turn the call over to Chris Ripley.

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. I'll start on slide three by highlighting our third quarter financial results on a consolidated basis. We deliver solid third quarter results that we are well above our guidance given in August but came in modestly below the increased guidance that we provided in mid-September. We were impacted by some late political ad cancellations from Nevada which occurred in the last week of the third quarter as campaigns moved monies to states and cities outside of our footprint where races grew tighter. Total distribution revenue was in line with our guidance range thanks to solid outcomes on all distribution renewals. Core advertising revenues grew 1% in the third quarter which is a first for Sinclair to have grown core at a time when political advertising was at an all-time high. Our sales teams delivered strong growth in both core and political advertising which followed through to our adjusted EBITDA which came in near the high end of our guidance range for the quarter. Lucy will go into more details in a moment. On slide four, our venture's portfolio received $5 million in total distributions during the quarter and made approximately $7 million in contributions. At quarter end, ventures held $334 million in cash up $8 million from cash levels at the end of the second quarter. Turning to slide five, I wanted to take a minute to provide an update to the great re-bundling thesis regarding the future of broadcast TV which may better be termed as the great revaluing as the value proposition of pay TV has significantly improved for the consumer. In recent quarters, we've seen charter reach deals with Disney, Comcast, Paramount, Warner Brothers Discovery to include streaming services and in cable TV packages. These streaming concessions are now a key part of MVPD content negotiations and represent a significant value to traditional MVPD subscribers. In fact, charter customers now receive more than $78 per month worth of streaming services for free in their select plus bundle including tennis channel plus. Not only does this create significant value to subscribers with the inclusion of these various premium streaming platforms but it also significantly lowers the net effective rate for the traditional pay TV bundle of broadcast plus cable channels. In fact, in the case of charter, we estimate that subscribers are now paying less than $40 a month for broadcast channels and traditional cable networks after factoring in the value of discounts streaming platforms. This is a 63% discount from what charter subscribers were paying for broadcasting cable channels just a year ago and is a 49% discount over YouTube TV's base plan for essentially the same channels. As you can see on the slide, we believe the value proposition of broadcast channels are only increasing for MVPD customers. I was also very pleased to see that charter is planning a major marketing push next year to promote the more than 10 streaming services it is offering at no additional cost to customers. We are now seeing similar dynamics at play with the recent direct TV Disney deal as well as the charter Warner Brothers Discovery deal which took a year early. And turning to slide 6, we are beginning to see the results of this great rebundling. This data which comes from Nielsen's monthly the gauge report shows the percentage of viewing minutes by platform on a monthly basis. What this chart shows is that broadcast market share has grown each of the past two months and is now relatively flat with the year ago figure. Broadcast share of viewing minutes has increased by 230 basis points over the past two months while every other medium has lost share over the same timeframe. Broadcast viewership growth has been driven at least in part by live sports content on broadcast networks such as the Summer Olympics and both NFL and college football. Which is why we are excited to continue to see more and live sports rights moving back to broadcast TV and we are constantly looking for ways to work with MVPDs to emphasize this value for subscribers. Turning to slide 7, the broadcast industry continues to increase its sports content. Recently Disney added six more Monday night football games to ABC's programming which will now have a total of 14 regular and post season games televised on the network this season. In addition, during the quarter we announced a partnership with the Portland Trail Blazers to launch the RIPP City Television Network and Blazer Vision which will carry 65 to 80 Blazer games in the upcoming season. The Trail Blazers join the Utah Jazz with the vast majority of their telecast on Sinclair stations this season. Notably the Jazz and the Trail Blazers join a long list of professional teams that have reached deals with over the air and broadcast stations within the past couple of months in all major sports across the country. We believe this only supports the idea that broadcast television continues to be one of the most important mediums in the video industry today. In fact, we are excited to see the announcement that Fox recently sold out its Super Bowl inventory for its February game more than three months early. As Fox is our largest network affiliation, we are looking forward to broadcasting the game and the remainder of the NFL regular season and playoffs. Let me now turn the call over to Rob Weissford to go over some additional details about our distribution progress as well as political advertising and exciting updates on our recent podcast launches.

Thanks Chris. On slide I want to provide an update on a very busy third and fourth quarter today for our distribution team. During the third quarter we reached multi-year carriage agreements with Altis and Direct TV. We have now come to terms with MVPDs covering more than 78 percent of our Big Four cable, telco, and satellite subscribers so far this year without a blackout. As a reminder, we have one network affiliation agreement, NBC, which expires at year end with the remaining network agreements locked in until at least 2026. As a result of the strong progress we have made throughout the year, we are reiterating our guidance of a mid-single digit CAGR for net transmission revenues from 2023 through 2025. Turning to slide nine, the 2024 political season has only reconfirmed the value of local broadcasts and local news. For 2024, political revenues grew 16 percent as compared to our pre-runoff political total in 2020 of $350 million. During the third quarter we reported $138 million in political advertising revenue, an all-time high third quarter watermark for us, which was $5 million lower due to late cancellations during the last week of the quarter, most of which occurred in Nevada. Cancellations continued in the fourth quarter as well, with another $21 million of cancellations due to late geographic shifts of existing and also new commitments to non-Sinclair markets. While political came in lighter than our increased guidance anticipated, we'd have only been $10 million shy of hitting our $442 million estimate for the full year, if not for the $26 million of cancellations. Of note, we experienced over $11 million of cancellations from Nevada, and even though we are in several markets in Pennsylvania, those markets saw $6 million of cancellations as some monies within the state shifted to Philadelphia, where we do not have a presence. We are now looking forward to what is likely to be a hotly contested midterm election in 2026 and a presidential race in 2028 with two open primaries as broadcast continues to be the dominant medium for political advertising. Following yesterday's election, the industry intends to turn its attention to several regulatory issues that will be front and center for the coming months. These include outdated broadcast rules that nationwide ownership cap and prohibit the ownership for more than two top four ranked TV stations in the same local market, as well as next gen broadcast standards, including the prompt managed sun setting of 1.0 signal transmissions. We are optimistic on progress being made on these and several other regulatory issues. On slide 10, we were very excited to launch two sports related podcasts in August and September in conjunction with the start of the college football season. These podcasts, the Triple Option with Irvin Meyer, Mark Ingram, and Rob Stone, as well as Throwbacks with Matt Lyonan and Jerry Brar, have consistently been ranked among Apple's top ten sports podcasts. In addition, we just announced plans to launch a soccer-focused podcast called Unfiltered Soccer with Landon and Tim, with former U.S. soccer stars Landon Donovan and Tim Howard. We couldn't be more excited about the strong and growing lineup of sports related podcasts. Before I turn the call over to Lucy, I did want to highlight our announcement made early today regarding the launch of our tennis channel Direct to Consumer product, which will be available nationwide on November 12th and will be free to current tennis channel subscribers. The product will also subscribe as complete access to our live tennis channel feed for the first time. Let me now turn the call over to Lucy to provide a more granular update on our financial results and balance sheet.

Thanks, Rob. Turning to slide 11, as Chris touched on earlier, we had solid third quarter results. Our 138 million in political ad revenues broke third quarter records for us, and we would have met our revised political guidance if not for the 5 million in late September cancellations. Moreover, despite the record political third quarter, we grew poor advertising revenues by 1% year over year, an almost unheard of accomplishment, and reconfirming our sales strategies around pricing, specialized sales categories, and multi-platform offerings that consumers and advertisers care about. Meanwhile, distribution revenues were up 5% year over year, driven by renewal rate step ups and new carriage agreements on tennis channel over the past year, partially offset by distributor subscriber churn. Adjusted EBITDA came in within our guidance range as media expenses were modestly lower than our forecast. Additionally, CAPEX was favorable to guidance primarily on timing of payments now expected to occur in the fourth quarter. Turning to slide 12, consolidated media revenues of 908 million were up 20% in the quarter versus last year on the higher political revenue, as well as distribution revenues on the recent renewals and added carriage, which exceeded subscriber churn impact. As compared to guidance, distribution revenues were in line with our expectations. Approximately 5 million of political advertising cancellations late September resulted in us coming in 2 million under our revised increased political guidance, while core revenues increased 1% year over year, modestly shy of our 2 to 4% revised guidance provided in mid September. But as we've pointed out now, growth in core advertising in the third quarter, when we also have a record political quarter, is a first for us. On slide 13, consolidated adjusted EBITDA for third quarter was 249 million, which was within our guidance range. Consolidated media revenues were just shy of our increased guidance and media expenses came in approximately 5 million favorable to our expectations at the midpoint on lower production, promotion, and engineering costs, partially offset by higher than expected sales commissions on the higher revenue and employee costs associated with improved retention. As compared to last year, adjusted EBITDA increased by 72%, driven by the stronger political and distribution revenues, which were offset in part by corporate overhead expenses and sales costs on the higher revenue. Turning to slide 14, for the local media statement, we delivered solid third quarter results with adjusted EBITDA coming in within our guidance range in spite of the late political cancellations and media expenses that were slightly higher on the increased revenues and improved employee retention. Tennis Channel also had a strong quarter with media revenues up 2% year over year on distribution revenues, which grew 4% on renewals and added carriage over the past year. Tennis Channel's advertising revenues fell by 7% in the quarter, however, we note a $1.5 million net change in non-cash audience deficiency units, excluding the non-cash ADUs. Tennis Channel's ad revenue would have been up 10%. Tennis Channel's adjusted EBITDA was above guidance with expenses coming in favorable in part due to lower production costs and timing of expenses related to their direct consumer product launch announced this morning. Embedded in Tennis Channel's 16 million of adjusted EBITDA is approximately 2 million of operating losses associated with future growth initiatives. Turning to our balance sheet metrics, on slide 15, you can see our debt maturity stack profile with our next meaningful maturity in September 2026. Sinclair Television Group's firstly net leverage was 4.2 times and total net leverage 5.3 times at the end of the quarter on a trailing eight quarter basis. Interest coverage was 2.8 times as of September 30th. Our consolidated cash position was 536 million at quarter end with 202 million at SBG and 334 million at Ventures, including our under on revolving commitments total liquidity was 1.2 billion. There were 66.4 million total shares outstanding at quarter end. Slide 16 introduces our fourth quarter guidance. We are guiding consolidated media revenues to be in the range of 992 million to 1 million of 21 to 22% versus the year ago quarter which is largely driven by the record political advertising growth. Poor advertising is expected to decline by 5 to 7% largely on political crowd out of normal advertisers. However, this decline in poor is roughly two thirds of what recent historical levels have been in the fourth quarter of a political year again showcasing that our sales strategies and content offerings are working. Political for the quarter came in at approximately 204 million which was another record quarter pre-runoffs despite the 21 million in late year. For the year, political of approximately 406 million grew 16% over 2020, 350 million pre-Georgia runoff total and again would have been 26 million higher if not for those cancellations. Distribution revenue is expected to be up 3% year over year at the midpoint of our guidance range and adjusted EBITDA is expected to be 314 to 325 million in the quarter up 74 to 81% over the year ago levels. Turning to slide 17, we expect to finish the year with poor advertising down 2% which is roughly half of what our pro forma historical core has declined in political years. For 2024, political revenue is approximately 406 million. Distribution revenue is expected to be up 4% and media expenses up 5% over 2023 which includes the higher sales cost associated with the revenue growth. Now as compared to our initial full year 2024 guidance given in February, media expenses are estimated to be 25 million favorable compared to the midpoint of our February guidance and that's driven by our enterprise wide focus this year on cost controls across a variety of expense lines. In addition, non-media expenses are expected to be 8 to 10 million lower than our original full year guidance due to time in of certain expenses moving to 25. Capital expenditures are also expected to be lower than our original forecast by 20 million at the midpoint of the February guidance range. And finally, of the 224 million in cash distributions expected this year, 188 million has already been received. And so with that, I'd like to turn the call back over to Chris for some closing comments.

Thank you, Lucy. Turning to our key takeaways on slide 18, Sinclair delivered solid third quarter results as core advertising revenues grew year over year during a quarter with record political revenues, a first for Sinclair in a political year. Political advertising revenues set records for the company during the third quarter, fourth quarter as of election day and full year. Distribution revenues were up 5% year over year during the quarter as over 78% of our big four network MVPD linear subscriber base are now on new retransmission consent agreements since the beginning of the year helping us reaffirm our guidance of estimated net retrans growth of mid single digits for the 2023 to 2025 two year tagger. Full year EBITDA guidance reflects a growth rate of 53 to 55% year over year. In summary, we're pleased to deliver both core revenue growth in the third quarter and record political revenue growth this year. We believe our results demonstrate the continued strengths of both Sinclair's operations as well as the broader broadcast industry. And following last night's election results, we are optimistic for a more constructive regulatory environment for the industry. We have positioned the company well to take advantage of these opportunities and could not be more excited about its future. Lucy, Rob and I will now open the call to questions. Thank you for joining us today.

Thank you. At this time, we'll be conducting our question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question key and you may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please while we poll for questions. Thank you. Our first question is coming from Stephen Cahal with Wells Fargo. Your line is live.

Maybe just first, Chris, can you talk a little bit about the decision to pre-announce on political? I think back in 2022, there was some late breaking timing shifts on the political front. And so, you know, you decided to give the pre-announce outlook for the year and then things kind of shifted again. So we just love to understand, you know, how things broke so much different than you expected and if this was different from 2022. And then second, you know, there were some prior reports that your stations could be for sale and you talked a bit on the call about some of the positive regulatory changes that could happen, especially as the new FCC comes into effect. Should we think about Sinclair as more likely a buyer or a seller or a little bit of both, you know, if we do get into a point in time when the cap is higher. And then just finally on distribution revenue, up 5% in Q3. I think it's implied up three in Q4. So is Q3 the high point after all these successful renewals or is there still some room for it to grow? Thank you.

Okay, thanks, Steve. So look, on the first question, when we took a look at what was happening in Q3 and we compared that to historical trends, you know, be it 2022 or even further back, it was pointing to a significantly higher number for Q4, which unfortunately didn't materialize because of the shift from some big cities or out of smaller cities into big cities and from some states to other states where we weren't located. So it was that sort of shift of that size, not something that we had previously experienced. And we had some cushion even with the implied guidance that we gave. So that's why we changed the guidance when we did. In terms of your M&A question, it, look, we're very excited about the upcoming regulatory environment. It does feel like a cloud over the industry is lifting here. And we do think some much needed modernization of the regulations will be forthcoming. And we intend to, as we've always said consistently over the last few years, we intend to participate in that, in the M&A, in the industry, be it as a buyer, as a seller or a merger partner. So, you know, whatever we can do to unlock some of the parts of the regulation that we're working on. And so that evaluation is really what we're focused on. And this new regulatory environment that we're about to come upon, we think will greatly facilitate that. And then on your last question, as it relates to top line growth

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retrans, yeah, I don't have those numbers right in front of me, but we wouldn't necessarily give that level of detail for upcoming quarters. But we still have 28% of our subscribers to go on renewal. And so we're expecting, you know, strong growth well into 2025.

Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is coming from Don Kournos with the Benchmark Company. Your line is live.

Great, thanks. Can I just, Chris, just quickly follow up on Steve's last question, just on distribution and just maybe ask it a different way and say, we know that some of your peers maybe have some timing elements in some of these, you know, just to make sure that there were blackouts. So I'm not asking for like specifics, but just wanted to understand if you're getting sort of full renewal in the current and out quarter on distribution. And then for Rob, maybe you can just kind of talk about underlying core trends post-election. I mean, obviously, there's World Series in there. And I'm curious how much, if at all, you think Trump presidency, given your Fox exposure, would help or not from a core perspective?

Thanks. So, Fardon, can you say your first question again? I'm not sure I quite really understand what you mean.

Yeah, hey, Chris, Dan, anyway. Just, I'm just asking. So like, for example, if you have, you know, so you did direct in Altis in the quarter, and I was just curious if, you know, terms around your some of the renewals done in Q3, if you get the immediate step up, if there might be some timing elements, like, you know, incremental step up next year, you know, just trying to make sure that we understand how much of the renewals are hitting in this quarter, and how much we should be expecting sort of next year once you bake in the

28%. Right. Okay. Yeah, I think I understand your question now, Dan. So, again, I can't get into the specific terms of any one agreement, but generally speaking, we do have step ups that kick in as soon as we renew. And we also have significant annual renewal step ups that happen as well.

And Rob's a quick question. So I'll hand it over

to Rob. Yeah, Dan, a couple things. As Lucy pointed out, we're currently trending at two thirds of being down versus traditional through the crowd out. And that goes to what I've been talking about for the past year of our pricing system using algorithms and the efficiencies of running our spots as their book. Obviously, in fourth quarter, we had the World Series, we're our largest group, this Fox, but college football across our networks are doing well. You're seeing marquee matchups every single week. And so we're able to capitalize on some of these could have been championship games that we've witnessed early in the season. And going into next year with our Fox stations having the Super Bowl, we think we'll carry over our successes in the first quarter of next year. And even with the record political, normally everybody asks about automotive, and we've been able to keep our pace without having to lose much our automotive business, which was relatively flat to down 1%, even with all the crowd out. So we are cautiously optimistic that we're seeing the return of eyeballs. Pointed out by traditionally, you hear the words on the street that the younger people don't watch broadcast, but in the World Series, the 18 to 34 demo was up 100% in this year's World Series. So as Chris was iterating where we're bullish that sports is bringing eyeballs back to the broadcast.

Got it. Super helpful. Thanks, guys.

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Burton Crockett with Rosenblatt. Your line is live.

Hi, thanks for taking the question. I was interested in the commentary around the regulatory environment. And because as I recall, you guys had some issues with the FCC under the former Trump administration with your Tribune deal. And so I'm just wondering if there's been anything specific that's been said or that you've seen that gives you the confidence that you'd get some hope for kind of loosening of the regulatory situation there, if there's anything you can point to other than just your hopes.

Sure. Actually, there's something I think very salient to point out there, so I'm glad you asked this question. If you remember, Chairman Pai enacted new rules, did a certain measure of deregulation when he was in power. And that included getting rid of cross ownership. It reinstated JSAs and SSAs. And that was then challenged and it went all the way to the Supreme Court and the FCC won. And those rules were then the rules of the day. Now, all that time until that was all sorted out largely ate up most of that FCC's term. And so shortly thereafter, we had a changeover in government in the White House and a changeover in the FCC. So from our perspective, we really haven't lived in a world where even the current rules have been in effect or at least followed by the FCC. So just that alone, adjudicating the rules as they currently stand is a huge benefit for the industry. And we're hopeful that there'll be further relief as it just isn't consistent with a level playing field versus big tech or big media. And I think the Republican Party understands that.

Okay. Yeah, I mean, it's clearly not the same. But I was also wondering, switching gears a little bit, Fox was reporting some deceleration in the pace of subscriber decline. Can you guys update us on what you're seeing, anything like that, or just give us what the numbers are?

So we're still around mixed single digits for overall churn. That hasn't changed in a while. We do see results in arrears in terms of the submissions that come to us, because most MVPDs pay us and remit in 60 to 90 days after. But I will note that both Charter and Comcast exceeded expectations on video subchurn in this most recent quarter that they announced. So that tends to lead the information that we receive. And so we were very hardened to see the trends of the two largest MVPDs improve there. And then as we pointed out in the presentation, the Charter streaming bundling strategy is really just getting going. They're going to start a big marketing push next year. And when you take a look at the net effective price of pay TV being less than $40 a month, it's a massive change in the value proposition. And as they implement that in terms of a user experience and they promote it to their customers, we think the dynamic of a subscriber and their choice set of whether they would cut their subscription to Charter or not is significantly different. So we're anticipating that to have a very dramatic effect.

That's great. And then just one final question. In your guide, can you give us any sense for this quarter and maybe even beyond your guide of the impact of this DTC launch with Tennis? Is there anything material in the guide and how should we think about that impact in the financials?

Well, it's going to launch this month, as we said. It will have some measure of expense that's built into the guide that we gave you for fourth quarter. And 2025 for the DTC product will be an investment slash build year, not significant in the grander scope of Sinclair. But we do think given that we're already paying for the rights, for the DTC rights, so there's no incremental content costs here. And we're opening up a significantly improved streaming product to consumers. We think that this will be an incremental contributor in a very short period of time to the results of Tennis Channel.

Yeah, I think you'll see an enhanced viewership. We'll be able to go to a multi-view. So when there's multiple tournaments that are running at the same time, you could have the best of the whole world is viewing of the multiple tournaments and not being stuck just to what's showing up on the linear feed on the channel. So those tennis enthusiasts and even the recreational, there'll be something for everyone inside the app.

Okay, that sounds cool. Thank you guys very much.

Thank you. Our next question is coming from David Hamburger with Morgan Stanley. Your line is live.

Thank you very much. Maybe we could talk a little bit about capital allocation. You have $536 million of consolidated cash. You have nearly $1.2 billion of debt maturity in 2026. You have talked in the past about keeping SPG cash and Ventures cash separate as you think about funding for the different parts of the capital structure. So I'm wondering if you talk about how you approach 2026 debt maturity. Maybe you could do that as well in the context of M&A comments or about consolidation because in the past you've also been willing to avail yourself of financial flexibility in your credit docs to move assets around as you did with the Ventures transaction previously and have said you might find it useful to use that in the future as well. So could you kind of talk about not just capital allocation but asset allocation, how you approach the balance sheet, you approach leverage, you approach the potential consolidation and how from a debt perspective you're looking at the 2026 and even 2027 maturities.

Thanks. Sure. So we think we have several options to address those upcoming maturities. And we're looking for that will deliver both the lowest cost of capital and the most flexibility from an M&A perspective. And that's not to move assets around necessarily as you implied. That is to be a participant in whatever transaction may come here in the future. I do expect that the industry will look at consolidation opportunities and if that means that we're a buyer or a seller or a merger partner, we would want a capital structure that contemplates doing that in an efficient manner.

Okay. I mean you can't elaborate further on what sort of capital structure. I mean you've talked about leverage which is now at 5.3 times being, I guess you had a leverage target that was a little bit lower than that. Given that next year is not a political year and then 2026 you'll be facing some of the debt maturities as they are stacked, can you provide us any kind of guardrails or a sense as to how you look to manage the balance sheet, maybe overall leverage, maybe from that perspective?

We're definitely focused on moving overall leverage down back to our target. So that's a focus. We think we will have no issue dealing with the maturities that we have upcoming. And to the extent that there are transactions, strategic transactions that come about into next year, those will likely be significant synergy generators. And just depending on the formulation of the transaction, that should also help drive further deleveraging on top of the myriad of growth initiatives that we have running through the system like cloud or cloud transformation, like our podcasting division and our social division. So there's a lot of that. We're just going to accelerate that.

Is capturing discounts and debt securities part of the deleveraging that you expect?

We bid opportunistic in our buybacks. We've bought 74 million of debt that had a $91 million power value since the beginning of 2023. We do think a more comprehensive solution for the 26 and 27 financings is something we're focused on right now. But I think that to the extent that discounts continue to be in the capital structure, we will definitely look to take advantage of that.

Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Aaron Watts with Deutsche Bank. Your line is live.

Hi. Thanks for having me on. Two questions. First, I felt the recent NBA TV rights deal and NBC's inclusion there was a positive for the broadcast TV space, including Sinclair. My question is whether Comcast looked to its affiliate partners to help put the bill for those rights at a time when I know you and your peers are looking to moderate network compensation growth. What are your latest thoughts on that, especially as you head towards the renewal of NBC at the end of this year? And then secondly, DirecTV and Dish recently announced an agreement to come together. While that deal has yet to get done and may not get done, I'm curious if you view this as a positive or a negative for Sinclair and the local TV broadcasters more broadly? And as part of that, can you comment on whether after required clauses would have an impact on your distribution fees and when that deal was to be able to close?

Sure. Thanks, Aaron. So look, I think the most recent example you can point to for your NBA question would be the last round of NFL contracts that went up. That did not create an appreciable change in trend, even though the prices paid were quite significantly higher. That did not create a significant bump for the affiliates. And we don't expect that to be the case for the NBC-MBA deal either. Though we're certainly supportive of them pursuing a more broadcast-centric distribution model. We think it's beneficial for the league, it's beneficial for NBCU, and we're happy to facilitate that as good partners. So our expectation is that won't materially change the trend, which has been declining increases over time for reverse retrends. And then as it relates to DirecTV Dish, to the extent that the combined company is healthier, we think that's probably a positive for the industry. Anytime you've got a major player that is distressed as Dish has been for a while, it just creates, we think, weird incentives. So to the extent that they create synergies, rationalize the capital structure, we think that will create a better functioning industry. Now certainly there are some competition issues which will have to be looked at as it relates to some rural markets where choice is limited for consumers to only those two. And that will have to be looked at from a regulatory perspective. But we also, to your last question as it relates to this, we don't anticipate any impact to our retransmission fees post-closing.

Appreciate the thoughts, Chris.

Thanks.

Thanks, Aaron.

Thank you. As we have no further questions in QF this time, I would like to hand it back to Mr. Ripley for any closing remarks.

Thank you. And thank you all for joining us today. To the extent you have any questions or comments, please feel free to reach out to us and the IR team. Thank you.

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does conclude today's conference. And you may disconnect your lines at this time. And we thank you for your participation.