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spk18: Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Southside Bank Shares Incorporated first quarter 2023 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1-1 on your telephone keypad. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Ms. Lindsay Bales, Vice President of Investor Relations. Ms. Bales, please begin.
spk13: Thank you, Howard. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Southside Bank Share's first quarter 2023 earnings call. A transcript of today's call will be posted on southside.com under investor relations. During today's call and in other disclosures and presentations, I will remind you that any forward-looking statements are subject to risk and uncertainty. Factors that could materially change our current forward-looking assumptions are described in our earnings release and our Form 10 case. Joining me today are Lee Gibson, President and CEO, and Julie Schamburger, CFO. First, Lee will share his comments on the quarter, and then Julie will give an overview of our financial results. I will now turn the call over to Lee.
spk03: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Southside Bank Shares' first quarter earnings call for 2023. This morning, we reported net income of $26 million, earnings per share of 83 cents, a return on average assets of 1.38%, a return on average tangible common equity of 19.36%, and continued strong asset quality metrics. On a length quarter basis, our loan growth was less than originally anticipated. This was due to anticipated first quarter loan closing delays, now expected to close in the second quarter, and a few payoffs. During the quarter, we also lost loan opportunities due to our underwriting requiring lower leverage than our competitors. That said, we have no plans to change our time tested credit underwriting standards. Because of our healthy pipeline, loans we anticipate funding during the second quarter, projected construction loan advances, and the markets we serve, we are still budgeting for overall loan growth for 2023 in the high single digits. Increased competition for deposits largely accounted for the 19 basis point decrease in our net interest margin. Pricing competition from both financial institutions and US Treasury bills required us to adjust our pricing more than originally anticipated. Additionally, as uncertainty in the banking industry unfolded, We implemented measures to further enhance our already very solid liquidity position by maintaining additional cash at Fed at a very small spread and pledging additional securities at Fed, increasing availability there. Totally to enhance our interest rate risk profile, we utilized the Fed's new bank term funding program, and as of yesterday, had obtained $287 million of one year term funding at an average rate of 4.47% that at our discretion can be repriced or repaid at any time without penalty. We anticipate the net interest margin will continue to be pressured as competition for deposits remains high. Our interest rate swaps and fair value swaps continue to provide a hedge to offset a portion of the potential margin compression. Linked quarter deposits, net of broker and public fund deposits decreased 3.4% during the quarter, 78% of which occurred prior to the banking industry events in early March. Over half of the decline in our total deposits linked quarter was a result of changing a portion of our swap funding from broker deposits to lower cost fed borrowings resulting $2 million reduction in broker deposits. Given the recent banking events, I think it's important to point out that as of March 31st, 2023, 73.5% of our deposits are FDIC insured or fully collateralized. In addition, the average balance of our granular deposit account base is only $30,000. While we are keeping a watchful eye on the economy as more economists forecast increasing chances of a recession, we are glad to report that the markets we serve remain healthy and continue to grow. I look forward to answering your questions following Julie's remarks, and I will now turn the call over to Julie.
spk17: Thank you, Lee. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our call today. We are pleased to report a solid start to 2023 with first quarter net income of $26 million and diluted earnings per common share of 83 cents, a decrease of 4 cents or 4.6% linked quarter. Net income decreased by 1.6 million or 5.9% driven by a decrease in net interest income partially offset by a decrease in provision for credit losses. In light of events occurring in the banking industry since March, we included several additional disclosures in our earnings release, which showed the granularity of our deposit base with an overall average balance of $30,000, well below FDIC insurance levels. We estimate uninsured deposits of 26.5% as of March 31st, with the exclusion of public funds, which are fully collateralized. and Southside-owned deposits. Deposits decreased 359.8 million or 5.8% on a linked order basis. Over half of the decrease was due to our broker deposits of 191.8 million as we transitioned some of our funding of cash flow hedge swaps to more advantageous funding sources. The remaining decrease in deposits was related primarily to customer non-maturity deposits with a large percentage of the outflow occurring prior to March, as mentioned in our earnings release. Our loan portfolio remained consistent at $4.15 billion length quarter, and the weighted average rate of new loans funded during the quarter was approximately 6.97%. We reported strong asset quality metrics this quarter with non-performing assets of 3.2 million or 0.04% of total assets at March 31st, a decrease of 7.7 million linked quarter, primarily related to the adoption of an accounting pronouncement around the recognition and measurement of troubled debt restructures. At March 31st, our allowance for loan losses as a percentage of total loans was 0.87%, a slight decrease compared to 0.88% on December 31st. Our allowance for credit losses decreased $311,000 for the linked quarter. As of March 31st, our loans with oil and gas industry exposure were 109.2 million, or 2.6% of total loans. Our securities portfolio increased 119.9 million or 4.6% on a linked quarter basis. The first quarter increase was driven by purchases of three-month treasury bills partially offset by sales of AFS securities. The sales of the AFS securities resulted in a net realized loss of $2.1 million which was more than offset by the sale of equity securities that resulted in a net gain of 2.4 million. There were no transfers of AFS securities during the first quarter. At March 31st, we had a net unrealized loss in the AFS securities portfolio of 61.9 million compared to 88.9 million last quarter, a decrease of $27 million. As of March 31st, the unrealized gain on the hedge securities was approximately $9.8 million, partially offsetting the unrealized losses in the AFS securities portfolio. As of March 31st, the duration in the entire securities portfolio was 8.9 years, and the duration of the AFS portfolio was 6.6 years. Our mix of loans and securities slightly shifted to 60% and 40% respectively, compared to 61% and 39% in December 31st. Our capital ratios remain strong, with all capital ratios well above the capital adequacy and well-capitalized thresholds. Liquidity resources remain solid, with $1.9 billion in liquidity lines available as of March 31st. During the first quarter, we purchased 457,394 shares of our common stock at an average price per share of $34.89. Since quarter end and through April 20th, we have purchased 177,406 shares at an average price of $33.02. Our tax equivalent net interest margin decreased on a linked quarter basis to 3.21 from 3.40, driven by the average yield and the average balance on interest-bearing liabilities, partially offset by an increase in the average yield on earning assets. The tax equivalent net spread decreased for the same period by 33 basis points to 2.62, down from 295, For the three months ended March 31st, net interest income decreased 3.5 million or 6.1% compared to the linked quarter. We also recorded $88,000 in purchase loan accretion this quarter. Non-interest income, excluding the net gain on the sales of the AFS securities and equity securities, increased $997,000, or 9.3%, for the linked quarter. The increase was driven by Boley income related to death benefits of $951,000 realized in the first quarter. For the same three-month period, non-interest expense was $34.8 million, an increase from the prior quarter of $1.3 million, or 3.8%, primarily related to an increase in salaries and employee benefits. For 2023, we have budgeted approximately $35.5 million in non-interest expense each quarter. Our fully taxable equivalent efficiency ratio increased to 50.99% as of March 31st from 46.38% as of December 31st. driven by the decrease in net interest income and increase in non-interest expense. Income tax expense increased to 4.5 million compared with 4.3 million for the three months ended December 31st. Our effective tax rate increased to 14.9% for the first quarter from 13.4 in the previous quarter. At this time, we estimate an annual effective tax rate of 14.9 for 2023. Thank you for joining us today. This concludes our comments, and we will open the line for your questions.
spk18: Ladies and gentlemen, again, if you have a question or comment at this time, please press star 11 on your telephone keypad. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, simply press star 11 again.
spk00: Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question or comment comes from the line of Brett Rabotin from Huvde Group.
spk18: Mr. Rabotin, your line is open. Hey, good morning, everyone.
spk02: Good morning.
spk06: Wanted to first ask, you obviously reduced the duration on the securities portfolio link quarter with the movements. Can you just talk, can we go back over just what you bought and sold during the quarter and then just does that yield on that portfolio, what the matriculation on the securities book might be from here from a yield perspective?
spk03: Okay. We sold primarily municipal securities and some mortgage-backed securities. And then in terms of purchases, it was largely the T-bills that we purchased. You know, I think that when we look at the duration, you know, we also take a look at the duration of our fair value swaps. And we didn't include that in that duration calculation that Julie mentioned. But if we were to include that and take a look at the real duration risk that we have with fair value swaps in place, it drops it to just under 4%. I mean, four years, not 4%, four years. So, you know, going forward, you know, we, you know, obviously the T-bills will roll off this quarter. So that's approximately 300 million. And then we'll have some additional things roll off. But it's, you know, that's not going to be substantial in nature, what is going to roll off.
spk08: Okay.
spk03: One thing that, and then I want to point out that the fair value swaps also right now are adding a little over a million dollars in interest income to the overall securities income.
spk06: Okay. And then maybe just any outlook for the margin from here. You know, I'm curious how you think about the deposit betas from current levels. The funding costs have been managed pretty well, but some folks are expecting an uptick. Just curious, Julie, how you feel about the margin from 1Q levels?
spk03: You know, I think, as I said, I think, you know, it's going to continue to be pressured. Competition for deposits. was already pretty intense in the first quarter. And then with the events that occurred in early March with the closures of a couple of banks, you know, that intensified even further. So, you know, we don't expect that to change anytime soon. And we expect competition for deposits to remain, you know, very intense, and growing deposits would be an expensive proposition at this point in time.
spk06: Okay. And then the other question I had, Lee, was you mentioned high single-digit loan growth from here, or maybe that's for the full year. I wasn't quite sure what that guidance was, so I apologize. I may have misunderstood that, but just want to make sure I understood that, and then if that's a function of talked about how you were missing some deals due to your credit's stringent nature, and maybe that might have an impact on what you get versus what you don't, but just wanted to maybe get a little better color on the guidance, if that entails you think the market comes back to you in terms of loan underwriting standards, or if you just feel like there's stuff out there that you'll be able to get as others pull back on credit.
spk03: Well, we're still, you know, winning loan deals. It's just that this quarter was a little unusual in that we really hadn't seen, you know, leverage requirements come into play. And, you know, usually it was rate driven. This quarter we did see some deals that, you know, we required a lower leverage than competition did. And, you know, we're never concerned when we lose loans based on leverage. But, you know, the guidance I gave was for the entire year of 23. You know, we're still anticipating when you look at the end of 22 and you look at the end of 23 that, you know, based on what we know today and our pipeline, that, you know, we're still anticipating, you know, high single-digit loan growth for the entire year of 23.
spk05: Okay, great. Appreciate all the color.
spk18: Thank you. Our next question or comment comes from the line of Brady Gailey from KBW. Stand by. Mr. Gailey, your line is open. Hey, thank you. Good morning, guys.
spk10: Good morning, Brady. So, high single-digit loan growth. What about deposit growth? I know first quarter was a unique quarter, but Do you think that you can see deposit growth? Is there more downside to deposits? How are you all thinking about that? I know your loan to deposit ratio is fairly low at about 71%. You definitely have room there. How are you thinking about deposits?
spk03: My personal opinion is I think deposit growth is going to be challenging. We do anticipate I mean, we don't anticipate. We are expecting in the second quarter the, one of the public fund depositories that we have under contract is going to be receiving bond proceeds of about 173 million. So we will, you know, receive those deposits during the quarter. But in terms of deposits, net of public funds and net of broker deposits, I think, you know, remaining static is going to be a win right now based on the competition for deposits out there unless we're just willing to pay even more than, you know, what we're paying now in terms of deposit betas. So, I wouldn't, I'm not looking for, you know, substantial growth and really I'm, you know, kind of looking at, you know, making sure that we're able to retain the deposits that we currently have.
spk10: All right. And then Southside remains pretty active in the share repurchase program. Is there any other companies that have paused the buyback for now? I know you guys have a very safe balance sheet and plenty of capital, but should we expect the buyback to continue I know it has been so far in April, but should we expect that to continue into the future?
spk03: Julie, how many shares do we have left?
spk11: 600 left.
spk03: Julie's checking on the number of shares. I think, you know, I think you can, it's safe to say that, you know, based on where the price of the shares are, We have about, Julie said we have around 400,000 shares left that we could purchase. I don't anticipate any changes in what we're doing. Now, whether we'll authorize additional repurchase after that, I'm not ready to opine on that.
spk10: And that 400,000 that's left in the authorization, is that as of the end of March, or does that incorporate the shares that have been repurchased so far in April?
spk03: That incorporates the shares that have been repurchased so far in April. All right, great. Thank you for the color.
spk18: All right, thank you. Thank you. Again, ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question or comment at this time, please press star 1-1 on your telephone keypad. Our next question or comment comes from the line of Mr. Matt Oney from Stevens. Mr. Oney, your line is now open.
spk07: Good morning. Just looking for some additional commentary around... Good morning. ...on some of the long growth, just what you're seeing as far as some of the average yields that you're putting on the balance sheet.
spk03: Yeah, Julie... you know, stated that the average yield in the first quarter was 697. So I would assume, you know, with the slight Fed increases, we've seen that, you know, likely we'll be, you know, right around 7%, maybe somewhere between 7% and 7.25% in the second quarter.
spk07: Okay. And then I didn't see the press release, and maybe I just missed it. Do you have what the – unrealized position is or the AOCI position as of March 31st?
spk15: Oh, yes.
spk04: Yeah, Julie's grabbing that.
spk17: It was $133.3 million. Yeah, I think, I believe equity is just stated as a total in the earnings release.
spk07: Okay, and that number you provided, that was, which one was that, the AOCI position as of March 31st?
spk14: Yes, $133.3 million.
spk09: Got it. Okay. Okay, great. Thanks, everybody. All right.
spk05: Thank you.
spk18: Thank you. I'm sure no additional questions in the queue at this time. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Lee Gibson, President and CEO.
spk03: Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We appreciate the opportunity to answer your questions along with your interest in Southside Bank shares. In closing, we remain excited about our prospects for the remainder of 2023 and look forward to reporting second quarter results to you during our next earnings call in July. Thank you again.
spk18: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a wonderful day. you music Thank you. Thank you.
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spk18: Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Southside Bank Shares Incorporated first quarter 2023 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1-1 on your telephone keypad. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Ms. Lindsay Bales, Vice President of Investor Relations. Ms. Bales, please begin.
spk13: Thank you, Howard. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Southside Bank Share's first quarter 2023 earnings call. A transcript of today's call will be posted on southside.com under investor relations. During today's call and in other disclosures and presentations, I will remind you that any forward-looking statements are subject to risk and uncertainty. Factors that could materially change our current forward-looking assumptions are described in our earnings release and our Form 10 case. Joining me today are Lee Gibson, President and CEO, and Julie Schamburger, CFO. First, Lee will share his comments on the quarter, and then Julie will give an overview of our financial results. I will now turn the call over to Lee.
spk03: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Southside Bank Shares' first quarter earnings call for 2023. This morning, we reported net income of $26 million, earnings per share of 83 cents, a return on average assets of 1.38%, a return on average tangible common equity of 19.36%, and continued strong asset quality metrics. On a length quarter basis, our loan growth was less than originally anticipated. This was due to anticipated first quarter loan closing delays, now expected to close in the second quarter, and a few payoffs. During the quarter, we also lost loan opportunities due to our underwriting requiring lower leverage than our competitors. That said, we have no plans to change our time tested credit underwriting standards. Because of our healthy pipeline, loans we anticipate funding during the second quarter, projected construction loan advances, and the markets we serve, we are still budgeting for overall loan growth for 2023 in the high single digits. Increased competition for deposits largely accounted for the 19 basis point decrease in our net interest margin. Pricing competition from both financial institutions and US Treasury bills required us to adjust our pricing more than originally anticipated. Additionally, as uncertainty in the banking industry unfolded, We implemented measures to further enhance our already very solid liquidity position by maintaining additional cash at Fed at a very small spread and pledging additional securities at Fed, increasing availability there. Solely to enhance our interest rate risk profile, we utilized the Fed's new bank term funding program, and as of yesterday, had obtained $287 million of one year term funding at an average rate of 4.47% that at our discretion can be repriced or repaid at any time without penalty. We anticipate the net interest margin will continue to be pressured as competition for deposits remains high. Our interest rate swaps and fair value swaps continue to provide a hedge to offset a portion of the potential margin compression. Linked quarter deposits net of brokered and public fund deposits decreased 3.4% during the quarter, 78% of which occurred prior to the banking industry events in early March. Over half of the decline in our total deposits linked quarter was a result of changing a portion of our swap funding from broker deposits to lower cost fed borrowings resulting $2 million reduction in broker deposits. Given the recent banking events, I think it's important to point out that as of March 31st, 2023, 73.5% of our deposits are FDIC insured or fully collateralized. In addition, the average balance of our granular deposit account base is only $30,000. While we are keeping a watchful eye on the economy as more economists forecast increasing chances of a recession, we are glad to report that the markets we serve remain healthy and continue to grow. I look forward to answering your questions following Julie's remarks, and I will now turn the call over to Julie.
spk17: Thank you, Lee. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our call today. We are pleased to report a solid start to 2023 with first quarter net income of $26 million and diluted earnings per common share of 83 cents, a decrease of 4 cents or 4.6% linked quarter. Net income decreased by 1.6 million or 5.9% driven by a decrease in net interest income partially offset by a decrease in provision for credit losses. In light of events occurring in the banking industry since March, we included several additional disclosures in our earnings release, which showed the granularity of our deposit base with an overall average balance of $30,000, well below FDIC insurance levels. We estimate uninsured deposits of 26.5% as of March 31st, with the exclusion of public funds, which are fully collateralized. and Southside-owned deposits. Deposits decreased 359.8 million or 5.8% on a linked order basis. Over half of the decrease was due to our broker deposits of 191.8 million as we transitioned some of our funding of cash flow hedge swaps to more advantageous spending sources. The remaining decrease in deposits was related primarily to customer non-maturity deposits with a large percentage of the outflow occurring prior to March, as mentioned in our earnings release. Our loan portfolio remained consistent at $4.15 billion length quarter, and the weighted average rate of new loans funded during the quarter was approximately 6.97%. We reported strong asset quality metrics this quarter with non-performing assets of 3.2 million or 0.04% of total assets at March 31st, a decrease of 7.7 million linked quarter, primarily related to the adoption of an accounting pronouncement around the recognition and measurement of troubled debt restructures. At March 31st, our allowance for loan losses as a percentage of total loans was .87%, a slight decrease compared to .88% on December 31st. Our allowance for credit losses decreased $311,000 for the linked quarter. As of March 31st, our loans with oil and gas industry exposure were $109.2 million, or 2.6% of total loans. Our securities portfolio increased 119.9 million or 4.6% on a linked quarter basis. The first quarter increase was driven by purchases of three-month treasury bills partially offset by sales of AFS securities. The sales of the AFS securities resulted in a net realized loss of $2.1 million which was more than offset by the sale of equity securities that resulted in a net gain of 2.4 million. There were no transfers of AFS securities during the first quarter. At March 31st, we had a net unrealized loss in the AFS securities portfolio of 61.9 million compared to 88.9 million last quarter, a decrease of $27 million. As of March 31st, the unrealized gain on the hedge securities was approximately 9.8 million, partially offsetting the unrealized losses in the AFS securities portfolio. As of March 31st, the duration in the entire securities portfolio was 8.9 years, and the duration of the AFS portfolio was 6.6 years. Our mix of loans and securities slightly shifted to 60% and 40% respectively, compared to 61% and 39% in December 31st. Our capital ratios remain strong, with all capital ratios well above the capital adequacy and well-capitalized thresholds. Liquidity resources remain solid, with $1.9 billion in liquidity lines available as of March 31st. During the first quarter, we purchased 457,394 shares of our common stock at an average price per share of $34.89. Since quarter end and through April 20th, we have purchased 177,406 shares at an average price of $33.02. Our tax-equivalent net interest margin decreased on a linked quarter basis to 3.21 from 3.40, driven by the average yield and the average balance on interest-bearing liabilities, partially offset by an increase in the average yield on earning assets. The tax-equivalent net spread decreased for the same period by 33 basis points to 2.62, down from 295, For the three months ended March 31st, net interest income decreased 3.5 million or 6.1% compared to the linked quarter. We also recorded $88,000 in purchase loan accretion this quarter. Non-interest income, excluding the net gain on the sales of the AFS securities and equity securities, increased $997,000, or 9.3%, for the linked quarter. The increase was driven by BOLI income related to death benefits of $951,000 realized in the first quarter. For the same three-month period, non-interest expense was $34.8 million, an increase from the prior quarter of $1.3 million, or 3.8%, primarily related to an increase in salaries and employee benefits. For 2023, we have budgeted approximately $35.5 million in non-interest expense each quarter. Our fully taxable equivalent efficiency ratio increased to 50.99% as of March 31st from 46.38% as of December 31st. driven by the decrease in net interest income and increase in non-interest expense. Income tax expense increased to 4.5 million compared with 4.3 million for the three months ended December 31st. Our effective tax rate increased to 14.9% for the first quarter from 13.4 in the previous quarter. At this time, we estimate an annual effective tax rate of 14.9 for 2023. Thank you for joining us today. This concludes our comments, and we will open the line for your questions.
spk18: Ladies and gentlemen, again, if you have a question or comment at this time, please press star 11 on your telephone keypad. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, simply press star 11 again.
spk00: Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question or comment comes from the line of Brett Rabotin from Huvde Group.
spk18: Mr. Rabotin, your line is open. Hey, good morning, everyone.
spk02: Good morning.
spk06: Wanted to first ask, you obviously reduced the duration on the securities portfolio link order with the movements. Can you just talk, can we go back over just what you bought and sold during the quarter, and then just does that yield on that portfolio, what the matriculation on the securities book might be from a yield perspective?
spk03: Okay. We sold primarily municipal securities and some mortgage-backed securities. And then in terms of purchases, it was largely the T-bills that we purchased. You know, I think that when we look at the duration, you know, we also take a look at the duration of our fair value swaps. And we didn't include that in that duration calculation that Julie mentioned. But if we were to include that and take a look at the real duration risk that we have with fair value swaps in place, it drops it to just under 4%. I mean, four years, not 4%, four years. So, you know, going forward, you know, we, you know, obviously the T-bills will roll off this quarter. So that's approximately 300 million. And then we'll have some additional things roll off. But it's, you know, that's not going to be substantial in nature, what is going to roll off.
spk08: Okay. So.
spk03: One thing that, and then I want to point out that the fair value swaps also right now are adding a little over a million dollars in interest income to the overall securities income.
spk06: Okay. And then maybe just any outlook for the margin from here. You know, I'm curious how you think about the deposit betas from current levels. The funding costs have been managed pretty well, but some folks are expecting an uptick. Just curious, Julie, how you feel about the margin from 1Q levels?
spk03: You know, I think, as I said, I think, you know, it's going to continue to be pressured. Competition for deposits. was already pretty intense in the first quarter. And then with the events that occurred in early March with the closures of a couple of banks, you know, that intensified even further. So, you know, we don't expect that to change anytime soon. And we expect competition for deposits to remain, you know, very intense, and growing deposits would be an expensive proposition at this point in time.
spk06: Okay. And then the other question I had, Lee, was you mentioned high single-digit loan growth from here, or maybe that's for the full year. I wasn't quite sure what that guidance was, so I apologize. I may have misunderstood that, but just want to make sure I understood that, and then if that's a function of talked about how you were missing some deals due to your credit's stringent nature, and maybe that might have an impact on what you get versus what you don't, but just wanted to maybe get a little bit of color on the guidance, if that entails you think the market comes back to you in terms of loan underwriting standards, or if you just feel like there's stuff out there that you'll be able to get as others pull back on credit.
spk03: Well, we're still, you know, winning loan deals. It's just that this quarter was a little unusual in that we really hadn't seen, you know, leverage requirements come into play. And, you know, usually it was rate driven. This quarter we did see some deals that, you know, we required a lower leverage than competition did. And, you know, we're never concerned when we lose loans based on leverage. But, you know, the guidance I gave was for the entire year of 23. You know, we're still anticipating when you look at the end of 22 and you look at the end of 23 that, you know, based on what we know today and our pipeline, that, you know, we're still anticipating, you know, high single-digit loan growth for the entire year of 23.
spk05: Okay, great. Appreciate all the color.
spk18: Thank you. Our next question or comment comes from the line of Brady Gailey from KBW. Stand by. Mr. Gailey, your line is open. Hey, thank you. Good morning, guys.
spk10: Good morning, Brady. So high single-digit loan growth, what about deposit growth? I know first quarter was a unique quarter, but Do you think that you could see deposit growth? Is there more downside to deposits? How are you all thinking about that? I know your loan to deposit ratio is fairly low at about 71%. You definitely have room there. How are you thinking about deposits?
spk03: My personal opinion is I think deposit growth is going to be challenging. We do anticipate I mean, we don't anticipate. We are expecting in the second quarter the, one of the public fund depositories that we have under contract is going to be receiving bond proceeds of about 173 million. So we will, you know, receive those deposits during the quarter. But in terms of deposits, net of public funds and net of broker deposits, I think, you know, remaining static is going to be a win right now based on the competition for deposits out there unless we're just willing to pay even more than, you know, what we're paying now in terms of deposit betas. So, I wouldn't, I'm not looking for, you know, substantial growth and really I'm, you know, kind of looking at, you know, making sure that we're able to retain the deposits that we currently have.
spk10: All right. And then Southside remains pretty active in the share repurchase program. Is there any other companies that have paused the buyback for now? I know you guys have a very safe balance sheet and plenty of capital, but should we expect the buyback to continue I know it has been so far in April, but should we expect that to continue into the future?
spk03: Julie, how many shares do we have left?
spk11: 600 left.
spk03: Julie's checking on the number of shares. I think, you know, I think you can, it's safe to say that, you know, based on where the price of the shares are, We have about, Julie said we have around 400,000 shares left that we could purchase. I don't anticipate any changes in what we're doing. Now, whether we'll authorize additional repurchase after that, I'm not ready to opine on that.
spk10: And that 400,000 that's left in the authorization, is that as of the end of March, or does that incorporate the shares that have been repurchased so far in April?
spk03: That incorporates the shares that have been repurchased so far in April. All right, great. Thank you for the color.
spk18: All right, thank you. Thank you. Again, ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question or comment at this time, please press star 1-1 on your telephone keypad. Our next question or comment comes from the line of Mr. Matt Oney from Stevens. Mr. Oney, your line is now open.
spk07: Good morning. Just looking for some additional commentary around. Good morning. On some of the long growth, just what you're seeing as far as some of the average yields that you're putting on the balance sheet.
spk03: Yeah, Julie. you know, stated that the average yield in the first quarter was 697. So I would assume, you know, with the slight Fed increases, we've seen that, you know, likely we'll be, you know, right around 7%, maybe somewhere between 7% and 7.25% in the second quarter.
spk07: Okay. And then I didn't see the press release, and maybe I just missed it. Do you have what the – uh unrealized uh position is uh or the aoci position as of march 31st oh yes yeah julie's grabbing that it was 133.3 million
spk17: Yeah, I think, I believe equity is just stated as a total in the earnings release.
spk07: Okay. And that number you provided, that was, which one was that? Was it the AOCI position as of March 31st?
spk14: Yes, 133.3 million.
spk09: Got it. Okay. Okay, great. Thanks, everybody. All right. Thank you.
spk18: Thank you. I'm sure no additional questions in the queue at this time. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Lee Gibson, President and CEO.
spk03: Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We appreciate the opportunity to answer your questions along with your interest in Southside Bank shares. In closing, we remain excited about our prospects for the remainder of 2023 and look forward to reporting second quarter results to you during our next earnings call in July. Thank you again.
spk18: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect. Everyone have a wonderful day.
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