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spk00: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today to discuss Sterling Bancorp's financial results for the first quarter ended March 31st, 2023. Joining us today from Sterling's management team are Tom O'Brien, Chairman, CEO, and President, and Karen Knott, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. Tom will discuss the first quarter results, and then we'll open the call to your questions. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that this conference call contains forward-looking statements with respect to future performance and financial conditions of Sterling Bancorp that involve risks and uncertainties. Various factors could cause actual results to be materially different from any future results expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. These factors are discussed in the company's SEC filings, which are available on the company's website. The company disclaims any obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during the call. Additionally, management may refer to non-GAAP measures, which are intended to supplement but not substitute for the most directly comparable GAAP measures. The press release available on the website contains the financial and other quantitative information to be discussed today, as well as the reconciliation of the GAAP to non-GAAP measures. At this time, I'd like to turn the floor over to Tom O'Brien.
spk02: Tom? Great. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I am in San Francisco this week, so it's 8 a.m. here, and I'm in our office on the corner of Montgomery and California. So I guess first I'll start off and say with the First Republic Resolution, it's been another momentous weekend for bankers and investors and government agencies. I would say there's a meaningful cause for concern here which I think we'd all like to see addressed more proactively by bankers, especially risk managers, regulatory supervisory teams, and I'd also say the fundamental construct of the FDIC. Just these three failures basically in the last four weeks have cost the deposit insurance fund, you know, between $40 and $50 billion. The way we are going, you know, looks more like the early 1800s with the First and Second Bank of the United States. that concentrates power, resources, basic economic control in very, very few hands. So I'd argue it's just not good for, certainly not good for banking in general and ultimately not good for consumers. So let's hope that some saner heads prevail here and control both the risk-taking in banks that may look like these three, and also the regulatory process becomes much more forward-looking instead of backward-looking. So that's my soapbox comment, but I do feel it's fundamentally impacting the future of what has always been the envy of the global banking system, and that is the system in the U.S. So with that, more specifically at Sterling, kind of go through a few high points. I'm going to ask Karen to give us a little better detail on CECL. But anyhow, so basically kind of a break-even quarter again, a little bit of growth in... tangible book value mostly from some improvement in the mark to market on the health for sale securities margin had a little bit of compression a fair part of the margin is occupied by the cost of our sub debt and you know I think at the beginning of the year I set out basically three objectives to do in the order in which I could do them, and they were basically to settle with the DOJ, which we've done. Once that was done, I was allowed to address the longer-term delinquent, seriously delinquent Advantage loans, and we are doing that now. And then the next thing I have to tackle is the the sub-debt. It's very expensive and probably, I don't know, Karen can correct me, but something like 12 basis points on our margin at current rates. And obviously rates go up another 25, one or two times, that'll, you know, continue to impact us. Expenses still, you know, relatively high, not unexpected as, you know, the settlement process in the legal space with the DOJ was time-consuming and expensive. Nonetheless, our goal of protecting book value remains in place. We haven't financed much of this through capital, which was always certainly my goal. Our leverage ratio remains very strong by any calculation. Deposits just under $2 billion. And as we know in the press release, there was, at the time of the first two collapses, we had a little bit of repositioning accounts, mostly in and around the deposit insurance level. And we also had some accounts come into the bank. But as of just the other day, I think we're $25 or so million ahead of where we were. the day before the collapse of Silicon Valley. We keep all of our debt securities available for sale. I've never used held to maturity. I don't like it. Kind of too much camouflage, I think, from a transparency perspective. And then almost simultaneously with the conclusion of the DOJ settlement, we started looking at the... sale process for the non-accrual and seriously delinquent residential loans. So we hired an independent advisor and got several bids and a very competitive process, which was nice to see. And I think we should have that sale concluded hopefully late May. And then, as you all know, of course, we had the DOJ settlement, which has to go through the court system to get approved and I think that'll probably be done in mid-July. But the elements are all there and the court has to approve it, which we expect shouldn't present any obstacles. So, you know, we've continued to do the job of fixing the bank and I think we've virtually accomplished 95% of what was the original goal when I started with the bank and we developed all the action plans and remedial plans for the fixing of what at that time was a big issue. I can also say one of the biggest concerns I had when I joined the bank was liquidity. Given the loans that were... sold previously to outside investors and the risk with that, the reliance on broker deposits and home loan bank advances and things like that were, you know, in the hundreds of millions. But I think addressing that the way we did turned out to be good in what turned out to be a, you know, liquidity important period right here and now. I can't say I or any of us basically anticipated that, but it does validate the concerns that we in management had at that time in mid-2020 about the illiquid nature and the high loan-to-deposit ratio in the institution. So that's kind of my thought on where things are. I think we're going to see more regulation, obviously. But as I said earlier, I just hope it's well thought out and that we don't keep coming up with solutions to address yesterday's problems. I mean, they just have to be more forward-looking and understand the market that exists today and the ability of all of us, basically, to move our money around at the click on our phone. And, you know, the lines of the 1930s can't be the model for solving bank issues today. I mean, you're always going to have banks that get in trouble like any other business. And whether it's, you know, a local economy or bad management, you know, things will happen. But it shouldn't be so unsettled a period and, you know, really should pass without the kind of, crises we've had since early March. So I'm going to ask Karen to spend a minute or two on CECL. And, of course, during the Q&A, she can answer any questions on that. So, Karen, if you don't mind.
spk04: Sure. So as required, we adopted CECL on January 1st. there was a half a million dollar increase to retained earnings as a result of that adoption. And that was primarily driven by the short-term nature of our construction portfolio. So, you know, you, you reserve for that until maturity, all of our construction portfolio is slated to mature in 2023. And so we were based on this logic, a little bit over-reserved in that area. Some of that was, you know, allocated to our residential and commercial real estate portfolios, which did increase with the adoption due to the longer-term nature of those portfolios. We also established a small reserve for unfunded commitments as required by the guidance. When we moved that forward through the first quarter then, We did see our overall allowance decline primarily as a result of the transfer of the residential, delinquent, and non-accrual loans to held for sale. We took that charge off and reduced the allowance for the residential portfolio. But we did see an increase in commercial real estate, and that's primarily a result of economic forecasts around the commercial portfolio. a real estate book and, you know, not what you're not seeing in the industry in general, some concerns there. And so we did take more of a provision on that portfolio.
spk02: Okay. Thank you. Operator, we can take some questions now.
spk00: Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we'll begin the question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star and then one using a touch-tone telephone. If you are using a speakerphone, we do ask that you please pick up the handset prior to pressing the numbers to ensure the best sound quality. To withdraw your questions, you may press star and two. Once again, that is star and then one to join the question queue. Our first question today comes from Ben Gerlinger from Hoffie Group. Please go ahead with your question.
spk01: Good morning. Hi, Ben. Let's go. Somewhat random, so I'll just jump around a little bit. So for the $41 million, it seems like it took a pretty decent haircut on price in the assumption there. I was curious, what is the yield on those?
spk02: I'd be guessing a little bit, but I would say mid-fives. Karen, does that sound fair?
spk04: Yeah, I would say that's fair. You know, a lot of those loans are in non-accrual, so we're not – booking anything on our income statement for, you know, the bulk of that, but five and a half is about, is reasonable.
spk01: Gotcha. Assumption based on the likelihood. And then also from there. Yeah.
spk02: The investor yield, the investor yield, I would, if you do it at, you know, kind of a lower mid eighties pricing, um, Probably comes up to 11. Gotcha.
spk01: Okay. Fair enough. And then from there, had some noise and some backdated noise within the income statements expenses with the resolution. I know Tommy said that it should see the court approval in approximately July. Do you have any thoughts on kind of the 2Q and then does it fall precipitously post? court, or can we see kind of a ramp down in 2Q getting to 3Q? I would assume 3Q is probably the most normalized one to be, and then any thoughts on, like, what that could be the floor?
spk02: Yeah, I think, I mean, just kind of subtracting these things that we've had to address one by one, the, you know, the settlement process in this quarter back and forth with DOJ was just time-consuming and expensive. that will drop off to some extent in this quarter because we had a court appearance a couple weeks ago and then the next one as I mentioned is in mid-July and after that there will be a process for us to distribute the funds to the non-insider victim investors. But anyhow, those costs should step down, I think, in the second quarter. We did get in the current quarter, we got some insurance recovery on expenses that we had previously. Those are hard to predict. I mean, all of the negotiations with the insurance companies are, I'll just say they're protracted. I mean, they awful lot of detail that has to go with it a lot of negotiations obviously they have lawyers we have lawyers there are still some claims we have pending but it's very hard to predict you know when they're going to be realized but I would say you're right on the third quarter you we should start to see some you know significant benefit on that And, you know, and then hopefully in the fourth quarter, you know, we're down to minor fractions of what we've had to experience at least in my tenure here. To say it's been expensive is probably the biggest understatement in the world these days. But it was, you know, I think, I guess I'd argue given the seriousness of the issues and the long-running nature of it, and obviously the involvement of very senior people in the institution, I'd say money well spent and a solution that was quite appropriate for the circumstances.
spk01: Gotcha. And we'll turn to the last one. I'm sure you see myself in the background now, but let me just be so relative to the balance sheet. It's like you guys are cleaning up more and the balance sheet's getting smaller. Any kind of targeted reserve level or should we expect more recapture?
spk02: Um, you know, it's Cecil a little hard to say, as Karen said, you know, it's really focused on the maturity date. Um, and obviously, you know, most of what we do, um, you know, with the portfolio that remains on the books, you know, is getting shorter and shorter. So we're basically around just under 2.5% now. You know, by any standard, I know that's... I mean, I can't talk about releases, but I would say that's very robust. So I'm not, you know, not overly concerned about... You know, the coverage, you know, with this loan sale, well, I should say in the quarter, once again, we had on the commercial side, we had zero delinquencies, zero past due maturity. I would say that's the last, I think, five or six months. It has been as good as any I've ever seen. And the residential was always hung up by that. group that we marked on this quarter, but I couldn't sell them until we resolved with the DOJ. So that takes care of virtually everything we have at March 31, and there will certainly be migration at some times in the future into delinquency and non-accrual. There's a certain inevitability to that, but at that point it becomes kind of one by one, not big buckets. Long way of saying I'm certainly comfortable with the level of the reserve. I think it validates the approach that we took back in, I guess, November, December of 2020, looking at the risk profile at that time. And I don't, I guess I can say I don't envision any more additions. you know, unless and until we got into significant originations, which hard to forecast that right now.
spk01: Gotcha. And then lastly, now that we're done with, or maybe you have to wait until July, but now that it seems like we're done with everything from a legal perspective, is there any appetite for doing something on the capital base, whether it be share purchases or addressing a sub debt or anything to that end?
spk02: Well, as I mentioned, the next, you know, the next and last issue I have from a, um, you know, a, uh, financial statement perspective is a sub debt. It's, you know, I mean, it sticks out obviously by cost and there's little, if any value to it, um, uh, on a capital perspective, we have plenty of liquidity. So, um, You know, that is the third of three items that I wanted to address this year. I think all of us in management and the board and all of our investors kind of understand the drag that that provides. So that does lead you, Ben, to the idea that if we can get that done, you know, the next quarter, Coupon date is mid-July, so the calls are on coupon dates, so it'll be July 15th, October 15th, et cetera. So the sooner we can get that done, the less expense we'll have to deal with. That's a holding company expense, obviously, and again, the cleaner the balance sheet.
spk01: Right, but we don't have to throw the needle with, like, what happens with the courts. Like, we could theoretically do it on the next call date, right?
spk02: We have the liquidity. You know, there's some regulatory process we have to go through and all of that. So, yeah, but in theory, sure. Gotcha.
spk01: Okay. Sounds good. Appreciate all the color.
spk00: Yeah. Once again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star and then one. To withdraw your questions, you may press star and two. Again, that is star and then one to join the question queue. We'll pause momentarily to assemble any additional questioners. And we do have an additional question from Ross Haberman from RLH Investments. Please go ahead with your question.
spk03: Good morning, Tom. Tom, how are you today? Good, Ross. How are you? Good. You think we bottomed out with the margin here, or if they raised rates another this week and maybe one time over the summer, that'll continue to put pressure on the margin like I'm doing for most banks? Thank you.
spk02: Well, it's a little hard to predict because, I mean, you probably look at the same banks I do in each quarter end. So, I mean, you saw margin compression almost everywhere. Some was relatively minor like ours, and then you had some that were 80 and 90 basis points. You know, this is hard to predict, but I think, you know, if we take in the conversation we had on the sub-debt and we look at the asset repricing and the liquidity that we have I think we have a reasonably good amount of protection on higher rates, and there's always a little bit of margin between the rate that we pay our customers and the rate we're earning. I'd be hard-pressed to predict a bottom, but I think I think we're okay within, you know, a handful of basis points one way or the other.
spk03: Okay. And with that, with the sub that I guess there's no active secondary market with that stuff. As you said, it's just on each coupon date you have it. You have the option of buying it back or how does that work? Yes, it's callable. It's callable, okay. And you can call 100% of it or just a portion of it? My understanding is we can call some or all of it. At par? Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. Let's see how amenable the holders are, I guess.
spk02: Well, if we call it, they don't have a choice, of course. You're right. You're right. It certainly does not trade much, but I'm aware of one trade several months ago that if it wasn't par, it was like $99.98. Okay. Okay. Okay.
spk03: And you're saying that clearly would be a help to the margin? Yeah. The current coupon is over 11%.
spk02: Oh, wow. Okay.
spk03: All right. I didn't realize it was that high. Okay. That would be a great help. It would be a significant help. Yes. Okay. Call away. Call away, I should say. Thank you. Thank you. Sure.
spk00: And, ladies and gentlemen, with that, and showing no additional questions, I'd like to turn the floor back over to the management team for any closing comments.
spk02: Okay, thank you. Appreciate all of you being on the call today. It's always certainly good for us to have the opportunity to explain things to those who have an interest in our stock and, you know, watch the – watch the progress as we go along. As many times as I've done this in my career, it's always a challenge looking forward, but there does get to be a time in the process where you can look back and take a lot of comfort and satisfaction from the team you've assembled and the successes we've had as a group in dealing with what was a Yeah, a very nasty situation, and I think successfully. So we enjoy it. We enjoy the opportunity to talk about it, and we will all look forward to the second quarter call in July. So thanks very much.
spk00: And, ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll conclude today's conference call and presentation. We thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.
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