Shift Technologies, Inc.

Q2 2022 Earnings Conference Call

8/9/2022

spk09: Good day and welcome to the SHIFT Technologies second quarter 2022 earnings conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Henry Bird, VP of Strategy. Please go ahead, sir.
spk01: Good afternoon and welcome to the Shift Technologies second quarter 2022 earnings call. Joining me on the call today is CEO George Harrison, President Jeff Clements, and CFO Oded Shine. During our remarks, we will make some forward-looking statements, which represent our current judgment on what the future may hold. So while we believe these judgments are reasonable, these forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve certain assumptions, risks, and uncertainties. Actual outcomes and results may differ materially from what is expressed or implied in any forward-looking statement. Please refer to our filings with the SEC for a full discussion of the factors that may affect any forward-looking statement. We undertake no obligation to publicly update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise after this conference call. During the course of the call, we will be referring to non-GAAP measures as defined and reconciled in our earnings materials. With that said, I will now turn the call over to George.
spk00: Thank you, Henry, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you all for joining us today. We certainly have a lot of information to cover today as there are meaningful changes happening at Shift. I will touch on our pending merger with Carlos, our new strategic plan, and our CEO transition. Jeff will go into more detail later in the call on major business changes we are enacting and how they interrelate with the Carlos transactions. Shift's vision is to be the end-to-end destination for car ownership. We're working towards achieving that vision both by internally building a great technology platform that customers love and by opportunistically adding valuable assets through M&A, like we did when we acquired Fair's dealer marketplace technology. First, Carlos Merger. As a step that ties directly into our broader vision strategy, I'm extremely excited today to be announcing that we are entered into a definitive agreement to merge with Cronlots, a leading consignment retail used vehicle marketplace. Shifted the acquiring party and the successful company in this transaction, with our newly updated strategic plan that we will discuss shortly, we will be in a position to pursue a fully funded business plan and achieve profitability in 2024 as a combined company. And with the expected synergies and combined cash position of the merged company, we'll be able to do so without needing to raise additional financing. Oded will cover the specific transaction economics in his section. The Schiff and Carlos teams have known each other and their respective businesses for quite some time. Indeed, this is not the first time we discussed the possibility of coming together, since we've always seen a considerable amount of strategic and cost synergies with their combined entities. In the last several weeks, we've also had a chance to get to know Lev and his new leadership team at CarLots. On both sides, we're strongly convinced of the synergetic opportunities and cost savings presented by this merger to drive the combined company to a profitable future without needing additional capital. Our merger with CarLots will bring together the best, most profitable assets of both companies. Firstly, the two businesses have complementary geographic footprints. While Shift's presence is concentrated on the West Coast, Carlos has built a strong brand and has retail locations in the mid-Atlantic region. Together, we will cover a much larger geography without needing to launch and scale a new market. Secondly, we see a massive opportunity to leverage SHIFT's proprietary inventory acquisition engine, as well as our self-service online checkout at Carlos stores to drive cost efficiencies at our at-home delivery offering and make them significant profit centers. As we are building out our dealer marketplace, there's a potential to leverage Carlet's geographic presence to quickly scale this business to the East Coast. As with any merger, we anticipate a significant amount of duplicative costs between the two businesses, especially in DNA, and we seek to maximize efficiencies in the go-forward company. Notably, we believe the combined cash position of both companies will enable us to fully fund our updated business plan. Second, updated business plan. Today, we are also announcing an updated business plan for which I will provide some initial context and Jeff will discuss in greater detail shortly. I've always believed in shifts ability to capitalize on the massive market opportunity and become sustainably profitable, leading player in the used automotive retail. And our merger with Carlos only augments this conviction. However, over the last several months, as we spend time and receive feedback from potential and current investors, It became apparent that our growth plan, which estimated achieving profitability of roughly 100,000 units in 2025, would be extremely difficult to finance in the current market environment. We needed to come up with an alternative plan that accelerates profitability with significantly lower volume and lower cash burn. To this end, we have developed a revised plan for the shift core business, which management and our board of directors are excited about. Notably, this plan will allow us to achieve fully positive unit economics inclusive of marketing spend in 2023, and combines company-wide break-even EBITDA in 2024. I would note that any synergies that we will recognize from the merger with Carlos would be accretive to this plan. That said, implementing these changes comes with a toll, including the need to eliminate roles across our corporate team and at our hub locations. For this reason, this decision to pursue this strategy was very difficult. perhaps the hardest one I've faced in my nine years as CEO. The board and I are very aware of the impact that this decision has on our team members. I want to express my deep appreciation for all that our effective team members have done over the years for Shift and our customers. I certainly wish that this decision was not necessary. As Shift's founder and CEO, I was the responsible party for our growth trajectory, and I'm also responsible for the changes that we're making today. This one's on me. Communication to most individuals impacted by this change has already happened. We're committed to supporting them as best we can as they make this difficult transition. Third, CEO transition. Now I'd like to talk about something that's been in the works for some time and that is a really significant step in our company's life and its future. Last year, Chief Support of Directors Toby and I together engaged in comprehensive, thoughtful, and focused succession planning exercise. to help ensure that the company had the right leadership for the long term. Our ideal standard was an executive with a track record of operational excellence, experience in product leadership, and capacity to deeply understand complex e-commerce marketplace dynamics. It is with this in mind that last year we hired Jeff Clements as our president with the hope of eventually seeing him elevated to the CEO role. With the Carlos merger, now is the right time to elevate Jeff to the CEO role since it is important for the person driving the implementation of our merger and new business strategy to be the CEO for the foreseeable future. To this end, I'm excited to report that as a final step in our leadership discussion exercise, the Board of Directors has appointed Jeff to the role of Chief Executive Officer of SHIP effective September 1. Over the past several quarters, Jeff has proven himself as an outstanding leader with an aptitude for execution. He has a strong skill set necessary to lead shift at this stage of the company. He has the full support of the board and myself, and I'm committed to helping him succeed in any way I can. With this transition, I will maintain my current role on the board of directors as chairman of the board, and I'm welcoming Jeff as a new member of our board. With that, I will hand over to the incoming CEO, Jeff Clement, to further detail the go-forward strategy. Jeff?
spk06: Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you, George, for the kind words. I'm humbled to be taking on the role of CEO at this critical juncture. I joined the company because I believe that Shift is building the most customer-centric car buying and selling experience with outstanding technology, operations, and a cost-conscious retail mindset. As George touched on earlier, some very difficult decisions needed to be made given our current circumstances, and I would also like to thank our departing Shift teammates for their contributions. I'd like to note that the changes I'll discuss shortly are for the core, standalone shift business as part of our strategy to focus on the strongest, most profitable aspects of our business and create a viable path to profitability. Our counterparts at CarLots previously announced that they are also executing on their own profitability-focused plan. This means that upon close of the merger, expected towards the end of the year, we'll truly be able to bring together two strong businesses. Now to the standalone SHIFT business strategy changes. First, we will be streamlining our sales channels to focus on our online checkout channel, which is our most profitable channel. Notably, this means that we will be eliminating test drives for the foreseeable future. While the test drive element has been a differentiator for SHIFT, increasingly we've seen that consumers are opting for a true e-commerce offering where they can shop and purchase the vehicle online. This change allows us to focus our efforts on optimizing this channel so we can achieve unit economic profitability next year. Secondly, we will continue to optimize inventory mix and assortment to favor value vehicles, which we define as vehicles older than eight years or over 80,000 miles. Over the past few months, we've already begun this transition. As we talked about before, value vehicles typically have more favorable front-end GPU than our core cars, and also sell just as well in our online checkout channel as they do via test drives. We are also cognizant that customers are seeking out more value during this time of macroeconomic uncertainty and rising interest rates. Our current recon capacity and the process improvements that the team has made over the past year makes us confident that we will be able to handle a value mix of more than 50% based on consumer demand. Third, We are refocusing our physical footprint to our core West Coast markets by rationalizing our 10 hubs to three, our Bay Area hub in Oakland, Los Angeles, and Portland. We've built a great foundation on the West Coast, and there's still opportunity to grow significant market share. Optimizing our hub footprint will also enable us to leverage marketing dollars more efficiently and simplify and optimize operational processes. However, this will not change our service area or the customers we're able to reach. Our online checkout channel enables us to ship cars to any customer in the United States. Since we launched this offering, we've actually sent vehicles to customers in almost 50 states. While this means we'll be exiting our physical footprint in Texas, it doesn't close the door to geographic expansion in the future. These actions are simply part of an overall strategy to simplify the business and focus on profitability. As George mentioned above, CarLot's footprint will enable profitable geographic expansion. Fourth, we are eliminating a significant number of positions across the business in both frontline roles and our corporate organization. While this was necessary to drive profitability and extend liquidity, I want to express how difficult and painful of a decision this was. To business leaders who have hiring needs and come across applicants with shifts on their resumes, know you are getting a candidate who is willing to roll up their sleeves and get the job done. Lastly, we will continue to build and grow our marketplace business. In Q2, we launched a beta version of the Shift Marketplace powered by FAIR with a significant number of inventory listings from our dealer partners in the greater Los Angeles area. The team continues to build out the shopping experience and will add additional F&I partners and customer shopping options. We continue to be excited about the dealer marketplace model and believe it can become a significant contributor to Shift's future success. We expect that these cost reduction initiatives will result in a reduction of annualized SG&A expense by approximately $80 million for the company. We believe we will be able to achieve positive unit economics in 2023, inclusive of CAC, and break even EBITDA in 2024. This will be accomplished through GPU expansion from a higher mix of value vehicles, which are about 55% more profitable than our core cars, selling costs in our online checkout channel that are about 40% lower than our in-person selling model, and significantly reduced G&A going forward. You can find more detail on drivers of our GPO expansion and cost levers in the presentation on our investor relations website. As I mentioned earlier, CarLot's team is also executing upon their own path to profitability, focused on driving their retail locations to positive contributions. If they pursue this objective, SHIFT's proprietary inventory acquisition engine will provide car lots with unique, value-focused, margin-rich inventory, and our e-commerce at-home delivery offering will expand their geographic reach of their stores. Their profitable stores, combined with our strategy to drive our online checkout channel with positive unit economics in 2023, will create a true omni-channel offering that is self-sustainable without needing additional capital. I look forward to working with the CarLux team as they pursue their strategic objectives and bringing our teams together once we complete the merger later this year. Going forward, our new strategic priorities are the following. First, achieve positive unit economics from GPU expansion and leverage in selling and marketing while tightly controlling G&A expenses. Two, increase penetration in our West Coast markets to grow e-commerce units sold. Three, scale our marketplace business to become a significant profit center. And four, integrate the shift in Carlock's businesses upon the close of the merger to create a profitable, leading used auto retailer. Now, I will hand the call over to Oded to review the financial results and guidance. Oded?
spk07: Thank you, George and Jeff, and good afternoon. I will start with our strong second quarter results. our team continued to execute well despite facing macro headwinds in a slung economy, including rising interest rates and elevated gas prices. Our second quarter adjusted results mostly came in within our guidance, with F&I continuing to be a highlight. We're also able to successfully manage a higher mix into value vehicles, which we have continued to see strong demand for. Total revenue for the second quarter grew to $224 million, an increase of 45% versus the prior year period. While e-commerce units sold grew to 6,872, up 17% year over year. Adjusted gross profit per unit reached $1,821 in the quarter versus $2,826 last year and 1,681 in Q1 of this year. This was within our expectation and provided guidance range. And please recall that the second quarter of last year benefited from steep price appreciation rather than the depreciation that the industry normally sees. Other gross profit per unit, which is mostly F&I, continued to be strong at 1,364 53% higher than last year due to both increasing profitability per F&I product sold and improving attachment rate. SG&A expenses were 58.7 million or 26.3% of revenue versus 48.1 million or 31.1% of revenue last year and 63.5 million or 28.9% of revenue in the first quarter. Adjusted EBITDA loss for the quarter was $36.8 million, better than the provided guidance range. The adjusted EBITDA loss rate of 16.5% compared to 21.2% loss rate in the first quarter. The improvement in adjusted EBITDA margin reflects continued operating leverage and the focus on cost reductions. we ended Q2 with total cash balance of $100.3 million. As expected, second quarter cash benefited from the reduction in seasonally elevated first quarter inventories as well as meaningful inflows from accounts receivable collections. Our boring on the floor plan was reduced from $100 million in Q1 to $93.1 million in Q2. Notably, Total second quarter liquidity comprised of $100 million in cash balances plus $7 million remaining under our flooring facility was approximately unchanged versus the first quarter. I'd also like to note that in the second quarter, we closed the acquisition of the dealer listing marketplace assets from FAIR Technologies. This transaction was fully funded by a $20 million senior unsecured debt facility from SoftBank. Our financial statements now reflect the accounting for the acquisition and operation of our marketplace business. Now turning to guidance. Because Q3 will be a period of transition to our new standalone strategy, we will be providing second half and updated 2022 annual guidance. For the second half of the year, we expect revenue to be in the range of 270 to 290 million, and e-commerce units in the range of 8,000 to 10,000. Adjusted GPU is expected to be in the range of 1,500 to 1,700, and adjusted EBITDA loss for the second half is expected to be in the range of 50 to 55 million, or 17 to 20% of revenues. For the year, our guidance is updated as follows. Revenue in the range of 690 to 710 million, and e-commerce units for the full year in the range of 21,000 to 24,000. Adjusted GPU in the range of 1,600 to 1,700, and we expect adjusted EBITDA loss to be in the range of 133 to 138 million. or 18 to 20% of revenue, with higher loss in Q3 versus Q4 as we transition into our new strategy. Now turning to the merger with CarLots. Based on the merger agreement, Shift shareholders will own approximately 50.1% of the combined company. We expect the transaction to close late in Q4 of 2022, subject to Carlott and Schiff shareholders' approvals and other customary and regulatory approvals. Due to the timing of the transaction, we did not anticipate that it will have an impact on our 2022 financials. However, we expected the combined company to have a cash position in excess of $125 million at closing. With that, I'll turn it back to George.
spk00: Thanks, Odette. This is certainly a bittersweet moment for me to close this earnings call, even though it makes a very exciting and invigorating, as well as sad and difficult decisions that we have spoken about today. While we are certainly cognizant of the impact these business changes will have on our team members, our updated fully funded business strategy and merger with Carlos will allow us to create a strong future for shift and control our own destiny. As for the CEO transition, this is the right move at this stage in my life, And I wouldn't be able to make this decision without knowing the right leader is at the helm of SHIFT. I started SHIFT because I knew that the used car market was ripe for disruption. And I have more conviction in that now than ever before. I'm confident in Jeff and our team's ability to successfully integrate car lots and drive our company to profitability over the next two years without needing additional capital. I want to end by expressing my deep gratitude to those who have been instrumental in building SHIFT. First and foremost, I want to thank our employees, both past and current, for all that they have done serving our customers and turning SHIFT from a concept to a reality. I also want to thank our investors over the years who put faith into our vision. Lastly, I want to thank the analysts on this call who have gone in to know our business. It's been a pleasure working with you, and I know you'll like getting to know Jeff. I have been incredibly fortunate to have had the opportunity to found and build a public company, and it would not have been possible without support from so many. Thank you all. Now I look forward to SHIFT's evolution and a strong new leadership. With that, operator, please open up the line for questions.
spk09: Thank you. And we will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press stars and one on your touchtone phone. If you're using a speaker phone, please pick up your handset before pressing the key. To withdraw your question, please press star then two.
spk08: And at this time, we'll pause momentarily to assemble the roster. And our first question today will come from Navid Khan with TruSecurities.
spk09: Please go ahead.
spk04: Yeah, thanks a lot. And congrats on the merger. Just a few questions and maybe clarification. So you spoke about sort of focusing more on value vehicles as a part of the strategy moving forward. I'm curious if the vehicle age at lots skews to value or something that's newer and if that's going to change. And the other question is just around the omni-channel aspect. So in the In the areas where lots has a presence, obviously you have an omnichannel presence, but do you expect to become omnichannel even on the West Coast markets as well? Thank you. Thanks, Naveed.
spk06: This is Jeff, and I'll take that question. First, as we outlined in the opening remarks, we do see value of bringing the shift customer acquisition engine, which does skew towards value, margin-rich value cars, to the car lots business. That is one of the key synergies that we've outlined. along with bringing our e-commerce online checkout self-service capabilities to extend the reach of their service area and to drive incremental sales. In terms of Omni, yes, as I just mentioned, we will bring our Omni channel technology to car lots. In the interim term for the shift standalone plan, we're going to focus all of our energy on the online checkout and delivery or pickup business. As I outline in the standalone plan, we feel like it's important to really focus our energy by simplifying our geographic footprint to the West Coast, by focusing on value and increasing our mix to value, and then by focusing on really optimizing unit economics and the selling and fulfillment for our online checkout business. It doesn't mean that in the future we will not reintroduce that, and certainly we hope to learn from the CarLots team And that can be an option in the future. But for now, we will run with that strategy.
spk04: Okay. And maybe just on that response, maybe another clarification. So the West Coast markets will not be omnichannel because you'll basically be running with an e-commerce offering and lots, obviously, would have both. Is that fair?
spk06: That's exactly right. We started by building the shift standalone plan, which is focused on the online checkouts. and certainly fueled by the customer acquisition assortment that we have today. CarLots has been running a different strategy, which is focused on physical stores and physical selling. We will run those strategies in parallel. CarLots has a plan to achieve break-even to positive unit economics by the end of this year, early next year. And Shift, as we outlined, has the same plan for our strategy. And so we will then add on the synergies from Shift into the CarLots business that I've outlined, and then we will be eliminating duplicate GNA.
spk03: Okay, thank you.
spk09: And once again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star then one. Our next question will come from Seth Basham with Wedbush Security. Please go ahead.
spk05: Thanks a lot and good afternoon. I have a couple follow-up questions on the strategy going forward. It seems like Carlotz and Shift have different approaches to disrupt the market, but you're going to maintain those different approaches for the most part. Are there really enough synergies that you outline to drive a successful merger here?
spk06: Let me walk through the logic that we took. So first, Shift standalone. We started with the macro and economic environment that George outlined, and we built a plan that would allow us to achieve profitability at a much smaller scale and with much less capital investment to the tune of $75 million. So we've executed the restructuring that will save roughly $80 million per year. Then the second phase of that was to merge with CarLots, which will bring a minimum of $75 million to fully fund this plan. CarLots on their own has a plan to achieve their four wall profitability, break even a profitability by the end of this year. Then we add on the synergies to the car loss business that we think will add incremental margin and drive incremental sales. And then finally, we will eliminate duplicate SG&A costs. All told, that plan will take us to break even in 2024.
spk05: Got it. And so it's not dependent on any significant volume growth from these levels?
spk06: Our full plan to achieve profitability for SHIFT as a standalone was 30,000 units. And then, again, there would be a creative margin from the CarLots units that they'll be driving to their stores.
spk05: Got it. Okay. And then lastly, as it relates to CarLots' strategy going forward, there's been an announcement that you're paying back some of the store growth, should we expect that to be the go-forward footprint through 2024?
spk06: So we've been impressed by Lev and his team and the strategy that they put in place to really focus the energy of the Carlex business, much like we're making the choice to focus the shift business on the West Coast. And so that team has a lot of confidence in their go-forward footprint and their ability to drive to break even our profitability early next year in each of those stores. So assuming that those stores perform, and then we add the synergies on top, then yes, that would be the go-forward footprint.
spk08: Thank you. Thank you.
spk09: And again, if you would like to ask a question, please press stars and one. This question will come from Brett Noblotch with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.
spk10: Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Just on the back half guidance related to the e-commerce units, which is down considerably from the last time you guys provided guidance, can you just walk me through how much of that is you guys or how much of that is related to you guys pulling back maybe on the hubs versus you guys increasing your focus on value vehicles and that mix? Just maybe how you understand how that or what's flowing through that reduction in guidance?
spk07: Sure. The change in the volume has to do with the fact that we have less hubs, meaning we are out of Texas, but that is not a big impact. The biggest impact is that we are moving to an online only channel and that channel is more limited from a volume point of view, but as we said, much more profitable. So we're going to spend the third quarter in transitioning from the old strategy to the new, which means closing some of our hubs, consolidating our business into the remaining hubs, and shifting to the new strategy. At the same time, we're going to go and right-size our inventory, which we have already started to do, with really good results. So that's why you're going to see a little bit more volume in Q3 as we have a transition. We also had a full month of July with the old strategy. And then the fourth quarter will be much more the pure new strategy. I'm sorry, just to add that on the value side, we have learned that the online checkout channel has the same penetration of value cards for us. as it is into the old strategy. So from that point of view, we're not going to see a change. However, with value becoming more prominent in our sales, you're going to see much better unit economics.
spk10: Perfect. Thanks. That's very helpful. And then maybe as you kind of get past this merger, what should we be expecting at a steady state or matured business from a margin standpoint? Is it materially different to what you guys have kind of hinted at you guys can get to in the past?
spk07: So it's going to be different from both gross profit and definitely from an SG&A point of view. As for gross profit, we have for a while laid a course of how we can increase our GPU. We had really good outcomes coming out of even the past couple of quarters with the incredible growth in F&I growing more than 50% year over year. So we set a course how we get to somewhere between 36 to 3800 GPU by 2024. On top of it, you're going to see major improvement on the SG&A side. Jeff talked about the cost reduction initiative that can save $80 million, and it's throughout the SG&A, both in G&A, meaning corporate overhead, but most importantly in the
spk09: um selling channel and marketing um as we um go through the new strategy perfect understood thank you very much thank you and again if you'd like to ask a question please press star then one our next question will come from brian nagel with oppenheimer please go ahead hi good afternoon
spk02: Um, so obviously a lot, a lot of, a lot of news here for us to digest is maybe I'll, I'll ask a couple of questions and I can maybe merge them together. But, um, I mean, the first one with, just with respect, I guess, stepping back, you know, just the overall operating environment, demand environment, you know, for, for, for what you're seeing in the used car business right now, this is an update there. I mean, how, how, how has demand, uh, you know, progressed here through the quarter, uh, you know, particularly in light of, you know, some of the challenges out there, like still elevated used car pricing. And then second, with respect to the proposed merger with car lots, just to understand, and this goes back to maybe Seth's question a couple questions ago, is the synergy between car lots and then shift, that basically car lots will serve as a means to channel more vehicles to shift to ultimately sell theirs? I want to make sure if I'm understanding just that simple nature well.
spk06: Oh, Dad, do you want to take the first question, and I'll take the second?
spk07: From a demand point of view, we've seen good demand in the second quarter and actually continued into July. What we are seeing is customers moving down the value curve, meaning there is higher demand for less expensive vehicles that obviously are a function of the economic environment. But people are still buying cars and selling cars to us. A lot of the purchases that we are seeing are necessary for the customers. There are no discretionary. So from that point of view, we think we have an advantage over selling newer, more expensive cards.
spk06: Great. And then just to double-click on the synergies, and again, Brian, there's a lot of information. We view it as kind of a step stepping stone. So first, CarLots is already executing and their management team is already putting in place a strategy to get to break even in their stores. And that gives us a lot of confidence. We then look at the profitability and the sell-through of those stores increasing as SHIFT brings two core assets. As you know, SHIFT has been investing in technology, a technology-forward used auto retailer. And two of the assets that we're most proud of would be our customer acquisition engine so that we can source margin-rich cars, be it value cars or core cars. It is something that really differentiates our business and we're proud of. So bringing that acquisition engine to the car lot stores. Secondly, our e-commerce engine, which is going to be the full focus of the CoreShift business, we believe will drive incrementality to each of the car lot stores. Incremental sales, broaden their reach, increase their sell-through. Those two things we feel are very powerful. And frankly, there's a lot of the premise on which we built the marketplace, especially the second, because we bought the fair marketplace to further enhance our self-service checkout, our online checkout. That integration is going exceptionally well. And we think that that same technology that will help marketplace dealer partners will help and support the growth of car lots.
spk02: Got it. That's very helpful. Then maybe there's one quick follow-up. I mean, clearly the shift in the entire used car space here, dynamics are very fluid at this point. There's a lot happening. But is there something in particular that is sort of, say, driving the timing of this merger?
spk06: Well, again, we've gone through a process as the environment has changed to, first, Brett KenCairn, Reset our strategy that would require less capital to fund to become fully funded the merger with car lots allows us to fully fund our plan. Brett KenCairn, And then it provides the upside as car lots achieve break even we drive the synergies i've discussed and we eliminate duplicate sdna or and focus on you know more units across. Brett KenCairn, The gna base that we've established. I would say one other synergy that I think will be in the future that we would love to explore, Carlos obviously has been a fantastic consignment retailer. We've long been impressed with their partners, their strategic relationships, and we think that there's an opportunity in the future to leverage those, but that's a little bit of a future opportunity.
spk08: I appreciate it. Thank you. Yep.
spk03: And again, if you would like to ask a question, please press stars and ones.
spk09: And this will conclude our question and answer session, also concluding today's call. We'd like to thank you for attending today's presentation. And at this time, you may now disconnect your lines.
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