Shoals Technologies Group, Inc.

Good morning and welcome to the Scholz Technologies Group's second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Today's call is being recorded. We have allocated one hour for prepared remarks and Q&A. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Matt Trachtenberg, Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations for Scholz Technologies Group. Thank you. You may now begin.

Thank you, Charlie. And thank you, everyone, for joining us today. Hosting the call with me is our CEO, Brandon Moss, and our CFO, Dominic Bartos. On this call, management will be making projections or other forward-looking statements based on current expectations and assumptions, which are subject to risks and uncertainties and should not be considered guarantees of performance or results. Actual results could differ materially. Those risks and uncertainties are listed for interested investors in our most recent SEC filings. Today's presentation also includes references to non-GAAP financial measures. You should refer to the information contained in the company's second quarter press release for definitional information and reconciliations of historical non-GAAP measures to the nearest comparable GAAP financial measures. Please note that the slides you see here are available for download from the investor relations section of our website at investors.scholes.com. With that, let me turn the call over to Brandon.

Thank you, Matt, and good morning, everyone. I'll begin by sharing some thoughts on the most recent quarter. We'll discuss the current demand environment for U.S. utility-scale solar, and I'll review progress on our strategic growth initiatives. Dominic will dive deeper into the second quarter results and provide our outlook on third quarter and full year 2025. We'll then close it out with questions from our analysts. Congratulations to the Scholz team for delivering revenue of $110.8 million. which was above the high end of our expected range provided last quarter and represents an 11.7% increase over the prior year period and a 37.9% sequential increase. Bookings were also very strong in the period as the momentum we've seen all year continued, driving approximately $137.1 million in new orders. This resulted in a company record backlog in awarded orders, or BLAO, $671.3 million in a book to bill of 1.2, supporting the growth we see for the remainder of the year and into 2026. As of June 30th, 2025, approximately $540.3 million of that BLAO has shipment dates in the upcoming four quarters running through Q2 of 2026. As a reminder, given recent uncertainty and volatility, we continue to allow for potential project timeline changes from our customers this year and next. With that said, 2025 is shaping up to be a very strong year. Our value proposition and expanded product offering, combined with improving industry fundamentals and underlying demand growth, are driving strong sales. While we all read the headlines regarding rapidly shifting clean energy policy, our customers continue to move projects forward and look for ways to further increase their project capacity. Scholl's value proposition, reducing the need for skilled labor, speeding deployment, and improving quality, all from a trusted domestic manufacturing partner, is resonating with both legacy and new customers. For these reasons, in combination with solid underlying industry fundamentals, we have increased the range of anticipated revenue for the full year 2025, representing between 13 and 18% growth year over year. Adjusted gross profit percentage remained in the expected range for the quarter, landing at 37.2, driven largely by strategic pricing initiatives and product mix. Gross profit dollars were 41.2 million, the highest results since 2023. As we've discussed, we occasionally identify projects as having strategic relevance, whether that be the EPC, developer, geography, or to displace a competitor. This strategy has enabled us to engage with new customers and win projects that have led to increased sales. We continue to believe that the benefits of our high-quality solutions, industry-leading engineering support, and exceptional customer service or winning customers over. While we are still in the early days, it appears the strategy is working. Additionally, when we settle into our new facility, we will begin to see the impact of productivity initiatives that we've communicated to you, automation, lean manufacturing principles, and a centralized and collaborative workforce. We're eager to step on the gas and show you the benefit of those investments. We also delivered a second quarter adjusted EBITDA at the high end of our expected range at $24.5 million, or 22.1% of revenue. And finally, I'm very pleased to announce that the remediation work to replace defective Prismian wire on known customer sites is nearing completion. There will be some remaining work needed in the coming quarters due to some weather and logistical constraints we encountered this quarter, but we'll continue to service customers as we've committed. The feedback has been overwhelmingly positive, ensuring our reputation for quality and service remains intact, and in some cases improved. The relationships we've established with EPCs and developers are the most valuable asset we have in delivering on our promise to make things right, no matter where the fault lies, is critical. Congratulations to the warranty remediation and customer support teams, and thank you to our customers for their continued trust and patience. While the current political landscape has driven debate around tariffs, tax subsidies, and fiat restrictions, the long-term underlying drivers of our markets remain positive and compelling. Many of you have performed your own analysis regarding LCOE across various sources of energy, and whether we include or exclude IRA tax provisions, solar remains the clear winner. When coupled with the speed of deployment, this positions us well to be able to meet the widely anticipated low growth in coming years. Tariffs are top of mind for many of you as well, and we've been working hard to remain agile with our supply chain. While the majority of our components have domestic options for customers, there will be specific items that must be sourced from non-US vendors. In those cases, we will determine when and how to price those projects appropriately. The policy debates in DC regarding energy sources do not materially change the competitive position of solar. Many projects through 2027 have components secured or can meet the requirements to commence construction in the coming year. In some cases, there may be PPA renegotiations needed, but the developers we've spoken with have confidence they can effectively navigate these changes and remain committed to the project pipelines the coming years some of you have asked if it has changed the velocity of our pipeline or how it may impact future periods but it's too early to make that prediction today especially as it pertains to evos developers continue to wait for guidance from treasury on some of the elements required to qualify for tax incentives clarity will be sought as we make our way through august and we'll continue to work hard to help our epcs and developers adapt as needed In summary, this is a dynamic and rapidly shifting environment, but we are operating from a position of strength. Our portfolio has never been more complete solving real business problems with innovative new product solutions. The commercial team is executing our strategy and driving share gains. Our new facility will enable visible and meaningful operational improvements. Our growth opportunities are beginning to contribute meaningfully, and our position as a domestic manufacturer gives us a competitive advantage. The second quarter was another solid period of growth within our core utility scale solar market. Industry research estimates first half 2025 construction was up 20% year over year and encouraging first half of 2025. Site prep and tracker installation activity appears to be gaining momentum, which supports the strong back half of the year we expected shoals. I want to note that we have not experienced the elevated number of project delays that we saw in 2024. That's encouraging to see. Project calendars remain tight with little excess capacity to move things around. Labor availability is a focus for the industry and will remain so. While distracting and disruptive, we believe the recent changes to IRA provisions are unlikely to negatively impact most project timelines in the next several years. By our estimate, most projects have secured components through 2027, and as a result, the next two to three years appear relatively secure. I want to remind you what is driving demand today. It's AI and data centers. It's onshoring of industry. It's basic household consumption of an aging infrastructure. Those are not going to be solved in the coming three years and may, in fact, become more critical. The lead time for gas turbines is surpassing three years, Timelines to bring nuclear online appears to be stretching into the next decade. Solar remains the best option, so the market will ensure that the economics work. The demand is there, and we'll help our customers meet that demand. Shoal's additional growth opportunities as laid out in our strategic plan, including international, CCNI, OEM, and BESS, are all meeting or exceeding our expectations. The opportunity set across international markets continues to expand. Our pipeline exceeds 20 gigawatts and includes projects in Latin America, EMEA, and Asia Pacific. Our relationships with large global developers tied to the U.S. Export-Import Bank are opening doors. We expect to deliver on multiple international projects this year with an acceleration in 2026. Our community, commercial and industrial, or CC&I business continues to gain momentum. To give you some context, we expect an excess of $10 million in revenue this year. June also saw the highest month of bookings since we began tracking this segment. We've added new distribution partners who are helping us reach further into the market. Remember, these projects are smaller in size with shorter lead times, so speed of order processing is key here. We continue to invest to build the capabilities customers require of us. Our OEM business is tracking ahead of expectations as our single customer continues to see strong demand of their panels. Our value proposition of providing a high-quality domestic junction box to additional customers is resonating. We have meaningful opportunities for 2026 and beyond, given the consistent onshoring of module production in the U.S. Battery energy storage solutions has been a key area of investment and innovation at Shoals. Attached storage is becoming an integral component of grid reliability in a renewable powered world, addressing the inherent fluctuations of solar power, supporting peak demand, and enabling energy arbitrage. These complex systems store energy using rechargeable batteries offered by other providers, some of whom are domestic and whom we are working closely with today. Also remember that BESS is universally applicable to any energy source, solar, wind, gas, hydro, Without BESS, it will be very difficult to meet the energy demands we see ahead. As discussed on the last earnings call, we have three market opportunities for our DC recombiner products for BESS. One in particular is to serve data centers. A significant portion of our pipeline for these products serve that growth from data centers and AI. The opportunity driven by this demand is quickly becoming a key area of focus. Data center power demand in the U.S. surged from 46 gigawatts in 2024 and is poised to more than double by 2030. That will require massive investment in both computing power and the energy needed to run those servers. Our offering in this market spans combiners and recombiners today and a more comprehensive offering in the future. Our goal is to offer a more complete architecture of wiring solutions, combiners, and other critical components on our roadmap. Our quoting activity is up 100 times year over year with positive early feedback from our key stakeholders about the direction we're headed. We'll work to keep you updated on key commercial wins as we make our way through the year. In summary, we are executing our strategic framework of market penetration and diversification as anticipated. Customers are looking for a U.S. source of high-quality, innovative solutions that allow them to manage labor costs, speed time of deployment, and ensure their assets perform over a lifetime that spans not years, but decades. The balance between low material cost today versus total cost of ownership over the useful life of a project is why EPCs and developers are more engaged with Shoals than ever. With that, I'll now turn it over to Dominic, who will discuss our second quarter financial results in more detail in our outlook for 2025.

Dominic? Thanks, Brandon, and greetings to everyone on the call. Turning to our second quarter financial results, revenue increased by 11.7% year over year to $110.8 million. The increase in revenue was primarily driven by higher domestic project volume from new and returning customers. In addition, as Brandon mentioned earlier, our strategic growth channels of CCNI and OEM contributed to year over year revenue growth in the quarter. Gross profit increased to $41.2 million compared to $40.0 million in the prior year period. This resulted in GAAP gross profit percentage of 37.2% compared to 40.3% in the prior year period. The decline in margin was due to strategic pricing actions, customer mix, and product mix. As we have communicated previously, the gross profit percentage in the quarter was in line with expectations of mid to upper 30s. General and administrative expenses were $23.1 million, which is $3.8 million higher than the prior year period. Our legal expenses remain elevated while we handle ongoing litigation matters. Approximately $2.5 million of legal expense was specifically related to the ongoing wire installation shrinkback litigation. Income from operations or operating profit was $16.0 million compared to $18.6 million during the prior year period. Operating profit margin was 14.4% compared to 18.7% a year ago, impacted by the reduced gross profit percentage we realized in the second quarter. Net income was $13.9 million compared to net income of $11.8 million during the prior year period. Net income was aided by a $3.1 million gain on the planned sale of one of our Portland facilities during the quarter as we prepare to consolidate operations. Adjusted net income was $16.9 million compared to $17.8 million in the prior year period. Adjusted EBITDA was $24.5 million compared to $27.7 million in the prior year period. An adjusted EBITDA margin was 22.1% compared to 27.9% a year ago. driven primarily by lower gross margin flow through. During the second quarter, we spent $11.2 million on wire insulation shrink back remediation and had a remaining warranty liability on our balance sheet of $19.2 million as of June 30th. The current portion of the remaining liability related to shrink back is now $14.5 million, which stands as our estimate for what is required to complete remediation for all sites with known issues. On the legal front, our case against Prismian is progressing as expected. At this time, we continue to expect written discovery and fact depositions to be completed in the third quarter. Our second International Trade Commission case against Voltage is also progressing as planned, with a hearing scheduled for later this month. We continue to believe in the validity of our intellectual property and that it is in our shareholders' best interest to pursue this legal action. Barring any delays, We believe an initial determination could be delivered by the end of the calendar year. Operationally, we consumed $13.8 million in cash in the second quarter, driven by the sequential build in accounts receivable due to quarter over quarter growth and cash spent on warranty remediation. The increases in accounts receivable and warranty remediation were partially offset by a reduction in inventory and an increase in accounts payable. On a year-to-date basis, we have generated $1.7 million in operating cash flow. Free cash flow was negative $26.0 million in the second quarter, reflecting both the $11.2 million impact of remediation costs and elevated capital expenditures related to our new facility. These two items impacted free cash flow by a total of $23.4 million in the quarter. The build out of our new consolidated facility in Portland, Tennessee is on schedule and we continue to expect to begin moving into the new facility at the end of the third quarter. Our balance sheet remains high quality, and we ended the quarter with cash and equivalents of $4.7 million and net debt to adjusted EBITDA of 1.4 times. Our net debt was $127.1 million, an increase over the prior quarter due to the cash consumption I described earlier. With all the necessary caveats, We would expect cash used in warranty remediation and CapEx to decrease by the end of the year. Since free cash flow exceeded our expectations in the first half of 2025, we also paid $10 million down on our revolver during the quarter, which had an outstanding balance of $131.8 million at the end of the period. With regards to capital allocation, given the number of competing priorities for our cash this year, including shrink-back remediation and factory consolidation, we did not purchase any shares in the second quarter under our share repurchase program. We still have $125 million remaining under the share repurchase authorization. Backlog and awarded orders ended the second quarter at $671.3 million, a sequential increase of $26.3 million. Backlog constitutes $260.9 million of the total BLAO, providing us with confidence growth projections we have for the upcoming periods can be achieved. As of June 30th, $540.3 million of our backlog and awarded orders have planned delivery dates in the coming four quarters, with the remaining $131.0 million beyond that. Turning now to the outlook. Quarterly pacing within the year is expected to follow the strong back half we've been communicating since February. The production calendar is largely driven by when and where customers need us to deliver our solutions. And as you have likely seen from both industry data and peer reports, project calendars are very busy as we move through the next few quarters. Therefore, for the quarter ending September 30th, 2025, the company expects revenue to be in the range of $125 to $135 million, representing 28% year-over-year growth at the midpoint. and adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $30 to $35 million. I'd like to point out that the implied fourth quarter revenue guidance of $135 to $145 million represents 31% year-over-year growth at the midpoint. For the full year 2025, the company now expects revenue to be in the range of $450 to $470 million, and adjusted EBITDA to remain in the range of $100 to $115 million. In addition, for the full year, we expect cash flow from operations now to be in the range of $15 to $25 million as a result of higher growth expectations in the coming quarters, capital expenditures now to be in the range of $30 to $40 million, and interest expense to remain in the range of $8 to $12 million. With that, I'll turn it back over to Brandon for closing remarks.

Thank you, Dominic. I want to remind our audience that although the news flow regarding changes within the regulatory landscape appear to be disruptive and distracting, the industry is no stranger to a rapidly shifting framework. Our customers and mayors are seasoned, sophisticated, and proactive. They tell us that while they wait for improved clarity from their tax experts and guidance from the Treasury Department, they waste no time pushing forward. The power is in high demand from their end customers, utilities, hyperscalers, industrial expansion. It's not going to change the economics in the short run, and in the long run will require adjustments, not drastic cuts. As we've said this year, our customers are constructive, fundamentals are solid and improving, and we are in a competitive position of strength. I'm very encouraged about what we see and hear and excited about the positive changes taking hold at Shoals. We want to thank our shareholders and customers for the continued trust and our employees for their hard work and dedication. Operator, we're now ready to take questions.

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Actually, Brandon, let me kick it off just with your last comment there. I think that's probably apt. I mean, just in terms of engagement with clients here and your customers, what are you seeing just in terms of order activity and the willingness to move forward? And then specifically within that, you all have been very active on best of late. Obviously, you posted a separate deck here of late. Can you comment a little bit more specifically on the order activity you're seeing there? and perhaps more like structural customer engagement as you guys align into that end market as well. But again, emphasis first on just given the backdrop of the EO and the tax backdrop, the willingness to sign contracts in the current environment.

Absolutely, Julian. Good morning and thanks for the question. Yeah, we are... As we've communicated really all year, pretty excited about the market backdrop. We have a very strong market despite all the noise with policy that is going on. We've got to remember that the energy demand is off the charts, right? Our customers, EPCs, our direct customers, their project calendars are loaded, projects are moving forward. um as we've seen you know market statistics construction is up 20 percent our peers in the tracker space um have had great installation numbers in the first half of the year that supports our back half number and on uh into 2026 it's too early to call call the ball on 26 uh but we are we are optimistic given the market backdrop uh As excited as we are about the market, we are more excited about our execution and our ability here at Scholes to return to growth. You know, our core business, obviously, domestic utility scale is growing and growing fast. That's evidenced by our record backlog and awarded orders of 671 million. What is really exciting is our following four quarters backlog and awarded orders of 540. For some perspective, we entered the year coming into 25 with a number of 450 in following four quarters backlog and awarded orders. So we are really excited about how we're executing. Our order book is as strong and diverse as ever. There is no doubt in my mind we are winning in the marketplace. As it relates specifically to Bess, We're doing well across our four growth pillars. BESS is very exciting for us because we have such a significant market opportunity. These products are used not only in our core utility scale solar applications, but we are seeing significant interest in data center AI. applications for our combiner recombiner products. Still early days on this. These projects have a long sales cycle, as you know, but we are really excited to see the engagement with our company and specifically the engagement with our engineering function to potentially provide future solutions. Look, everybody's got their own interesting stats and tidbits about the growth of data center and AI. One to maybe point out was something that was in the journal this week that I found interesting. Meta, Microsoft, Google, and Amazon in the first half of the year basically have invested in data centers so much that it has the equivalent impact to GDP as consumer spending in the first half. So that amount of computing power, that level of investment, is obviously going to need power. That not only propels our utility scale solar business, but gives us a lot of opportunity in the battery energy storage space. So we're very excited about that. Thanks, Julian. Charlie?

Thank you. Of course, our next question comes for Capital Partners. Philip, your line is open. Please proceed.

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. First one's on 2026. I know you don't guide to 2026, but your backlog and awarded orders are pretty healthy at $540 million. Can you give some more color on how you might expect 2026 to play out? And then separately, as it relates to the full-year guide, You have an implied negative free cash flow guide. Wanted to see if you could provide some more context and color there as well. Thanks.

Yeah, Phil, thanks for the question and good morning. As you noted, we are not going to guide to 2026 yet. You know, I will, again, lean back on the backlog and awarded orders in the following four quarters of being 540 Again, strong book to bill again for us this quarter. As we have been all year, we're excited about the market. We're excited about how we're executing in our customer base. So, you know, you saw that in the increase to our revenue guidance for 2025, right? So we are in a position of strength. We feel very good about the market and how we're executing. Dom, maybe you want to take cash flow?

Yeah, just a quick bit on the cash flow, Phil. As you can imagine, as we're growing the business with a significant growth and you see the numbers, the implied guide for Q4 with revenue, and also what's available for us as we go into 26 in the first half, we have to make preparations from an inventory standpoint. We have to invest in the working capital necessary to drive that growth. As you know, we've also talked about the fact that warranty remediation will be completing for everything that we know about right now. And that's going to consume additional cash in the back half while we finish that effort. So at this point in time, it's really driven by growth of the business, which we're excited about the return to growth. But it does take working capital investment to get there. And then we'll be able to reap those benefits for a long time and reinvest those dollars when we collect. So this year, 2025, operating cash flow has more challenges. But as I also stated, as we get towards the end of the year, we'll be seeing the reductions of CapEx for 2026 and also warranty remediation. So, yeah, we're just excited. It's really growth driven.

Thanks, Bill. Charlie?

Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian Lee of Goldman Sachs. Brian, your line is open.

Please go ahead. Thank you. Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I had two here. First, on the revenue guidance update, it's a 7% increase in the midpoint of the range, all second half since Q2 came in just a bit above your guidance range. So just curious, what are the main drivers there? Are you seeing projects pull in? Is it more book and burn business? Maybe projects even being pulled from other vendors coming to you post OBBBA and FIAC? Just a bit of color around where the strength is coming from. And then secondly, on the guidance, when it comes to the margins or EBITDA guidance, not implying any uptick despite the $30 million raise in revenue guidance for the year. Is that a reflection of weaker mix and gross margins or something on the OPEX line? Maybe give us some of the puts and takes around why EBIT guidance range is staying intact despite the higher revenue numbers. Thanks, guys.

Yeah, Brian, thanks for the call or for the question. The strength of our business, as mentioned, pulling some orders in from other vendors, as I mentioned to Julian's question, we have a hugely diverse mix of customers now in a way that we have not had before. We are winning with new customers and we are winning with customers that maybe we hadn't done a lot of business with in the last couple of years. It's that and the market strength that you're seeing that's driving the growth of the top side for us. As it relates to pull-in, we have not seen significant changes in our order pattern for pull-in due to OB3. As you know, we fall late in the construction cycle. Our products really, from a safe harboring standpoint, don't give much of an ability for developers or EPCs to use our products as everything is designed, built specific to the solar field. So the top line growth is really our execution, our winning in the marketplace and market driven. As it relates to the revenue guide versus EBITDA, Dom, you want to maybe chime in there?

Yeah, so a couple things, Brian. One is, as we talked about all year, our guide, we started the year with a $450 million backlog in award orders, but we did guide lower because we just didn't know the nature of how many projects would delay. And what we're seeing is fewer are delaying than expected. Now, there have been project pushouts and delays. There always are in the business, and our book and turn business remained very strong and strong enough to offset it. Some of the margin that you're seeing is the fact that we have a diverse customer mix and we've used some promotional pricing to attract folks back into the Shoals family. In that process, not everybody is using our high margin solutions. We still have some of the combiner box, home run solutions and things like that. So gross margin is going to be lower than, you know, in the range that we've talked about, the up, you know, high 30s, mid to high 30s. But that's really what's driving the margin all the way down to EBITDA. In terms of operating expense, we are still running a bit of an elevated legal expense for the back half. As we've talked about for several quarters now, our legal expenses continue to be I would characterize them as unusually high for a company of our size based on the issues that we're dealing with. And some of that will continue into the back half as we continue to push forward on the voltage and prismium issues. So for the most part, it's not really OpEx driven. It is really the promotional pricing and some of the things that we've done from our product and customer mix at the top.

Thanks, Brian. Charlie?

Thank you. Our next question comes from Colin Rush of Oppenheimer. Colin, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Thanks so much, guys. You know, we can see the opportunity with power demand growing, but I'm just curious about how you're competing around power quality issues and your ability to deliver more power than other folks in a similar configuration from a power plant perspective. and how you see that opportunity evolving for the company over the next couple of years?

Yeah, so good morning, Colin. Look, I think, you know, first and foremost, developers, EPCs are concerned with product quality to make sure that we have the ability to keep plants up and operating with our products and solutions. I think our BLA product line has proven over time to be that solution for electrical balance of systems. As we say around here, we don't measure our product quality in years, we measure our product quality in decades. Our products are built to stand the test of time and the elements that these power plants see. I think we've got the best solution in the industry versus other alternatives out there, and there are some that are out there and being installed today, but ours is the best for durability. As it relates to the future, we do have our 2KV line that we are working on, still driving that through UL, and we hope to see that begin getting spec'd in the sites in 2026, so we're very excited about continuing to push forward with higher generation capability for these sites.

Thanks Colin. Charlie?

Charlie.

Give us just a minute folks. We seem to be having some audio issues on the operating line.

Our next question comes from John Windham of UBS. John, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Perfect. Thanks for taking the questions. Can you just talk to a little bit, you obviously raised the revenue guidance by about 30 million at the midpoint, but even if we made the same, can you just talk to what's driving that? Thanks so much.

thanks john for the question um you know um yeah as mentioned we've seen a strength in the in the business on the top line uh due to our execution in the marketplace uh you know continue to to grow uh our share with the development of new products uh and execution with current uh and new epcs um You know, some of the attraction of new EPCs, we are leveraging promotional pricing, you know, that may be lower than historical norms to overcome the switching costs from one vendor to a particular vendor to Shoals. So that is impacting margins. Again, our margins grew quarter over quarter, and we are operating about, you know, the mid to high 30s range. It is important to mention as well, we've got a significant new product growth. If you look at our backlog and awarded orders today, we're approaching 10% of that backlog and awarded orders with new products. Some of those new products have a reduced gross margin versus our our typical product line. One of those is a long tail BLA product that is starting to become prevalent in the marketplace. While that provides a wallet share expansion, it does impact our gross margin levels. So we're excited about the growth and we are excited that we're operating as we did in this quarter the upper 30% range of gross margin. As Dominic mentioned in the previous question, we do have elevated legal spend right now that is not typical for a company our size. But what is important to note as we move forward in the back half of the year and on into the future, our operating expense, our SG&A investment, will not change materially. This business can support a much higher sales level than we are operating at today with our current investment in SG&A, and we will see operating leverage in the future.

The last thing, if I may add, John, is that we've got the back half of the year, we're still planning a significant relocation of all of our operations here in Portland into one facility. And we have yet to be able to realize some of the things that Brandon mentioned in the prepared remarks about the efficiencies of operations. So while margins are less than our long-term target this year, it's within our expectations as we've been communicating. So more to come. We look forward to the growth that we have and being able to share more about 2026 in the future. But those are some of the reasons why you see the guidance that we've provided today.

Thanks, John. Charlie?

Thank you. Our next question comes from Dimple Gosai of Bank of America. Dimple, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Good morning. I appreciate all the comments here. Just one question on the battery energy storage systems opportunity here. You know, I know you've kind of spoken about an unnamed PSS-OEM partnership opportunity. Can you share a little bit more about the opportunity Exactly. You know, especially as FIAC restrictions are expected to get a little stronger, you know, what does that look like? Do they have a self-sourcing strategy and so forth? Thank you.

Good morning, Dipal. You know, great question. You know, as we read about FIAC restrictions, potential tariffs, obviously, there are a lot of questions about lithium-based battery energy storage solutions. While I won't comment about our specific engagement, I will say that there are a number of domestic battery energy storage suppliers that are bringing to market alternative technology to lithium to avoid tariffs and fiat restrictions. You know, I understand the thesis that these restrictions may weigh down the battery energy storage market a bit. It's a new market for us, so ample upside for growth. And again, we're working with a lot of different partners on alternative solutions.

yeah i think one of the things from a technology standpoint is we're looking for those that can best support some of the data center demands which is long discharge times and slower and some of the technologies that are out there all as alternatives to those metals out of china are really pretty exciting so more to come in that space thanks dimple charlie next question

Our next question comes from Dylan Nassano of Wolf Research. Dylan, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. So I just wanted to follow up on the prior questions on the reaffirmed EBITDA guidance. I appreciate the color you've given on the promotional pricing driving market share gains. I guess I'm just wondering if you could talk through kind of how sticky do you expect these kind of newer relationships to be? Can you speak to kind of your expectations around how long it might take to convert those into higher margin orders in the future. And I guess just said another way, how are you thinking about the long-term ROI of these volume discounts? And what are you looking for as you kind of track how successful they are? Thanks.

Yeah, Dylan, thank you for the question. Good question. As I've talked about in previous calls, Some of the EPCs that we are targeting, and if you think back all the way to our investor day last year, that 30% of the market where we had not transacted a lot of business that we were going after, a lot of these particular customers use traditional methods of electrical balance of system, where they pull strings and run to combiner boxes, which are in nature, lower margin um you know lower margin projects for eboss providers not just trolls but probably everybody um so our goal always is to move people up the value continuum and uh get them to use uh our top end solutions which is bla and now we've got some new products out there that are that are very uh similar uh in labor savings and productivity enhancements for epcs that provide better margins for us and provide better value for our customer, quite frankly, from an install base. We're seeing that. We're seeing that start. We've got some customers that we have either recently won or have not transacted business with in years that are back in the fold with Shoals. And some of those particular customers are now using our BLA trunk bus solution, which is fantastic to see. So that's the goal for us is to get these customers back in the fold and appreciating our value and quality and service, our engineering, our customer support and convince them to use our higher value labor saving products.

And Dylan, if I could add just a little bit more color on some of that. With some of the new products, we've talked about increasing our share of wallet in the solar field. And something like our long tail BLA is a great example of that. It uses our patented BLA technology for a portion of an extended length trunk feeder cable. And basically what that's doing is it's displacing some feeder cable that would just have been sourced out there in the solar field. Now, that product itself is a lower margin product. In terms of some of the new products that Brandon mentioned that we've developed specifically for some of these new customers, as our engineering team listens and we capture the voice of the customer, some of those we're still learning how to produce as efficiently as possible. I'll be perfectly honest with you on that one. So as we look at the growth with our new product offering, as we have things like we're capturing additional share of wallet, we're very excited to see that growth and providing solutions for our customers. And as we mature in that space, you will see margins improve.

Thanks, John. Great. Thank you.

Thank you. As a final reminder, if you'd like to ask a question in today's call, please dial star followed by one on your telephone keypads now. Our next question comes from Mahip Mandloy of Mizuho. Mahip, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Hey, morning, and thanks for taking the questions. On the international markets, could you provide some more color on the revenue contribution? I know you talked about this 20 gigawatt pipeline and more than 12% of the backlog, but I should think about the revenue contribution for this year.

Thank you. Good morning, Mahit. Thanks for the question. Yeah, revenue contribution thus far, you know, in 2025 has been minimal. We are excited. that we have won some projects this year in our focus markets. We announced one via press release maybe a few weeks ago, I believe, a win in Chile. So we have been successful in LATAM and a couple of projects this year and also have won a project in Australia that we are excited about. As it relates to future backlog and awarded orders, I think roughly 13% of our BLAO is for international projects. So we expect to see the contribution of our international business to accelerate in 2026. A lot of that is driven by our export business. in a previously announced press release for a partnership to drive that export business with Sun Africa, UGTR. So it is a growing business for us. It's one of our four pillars of growth. And I would say at current date, it is tracking in line with our projections that we explained during our investor day last September.

Thanks, Mahid. Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you. Sure. Absolutely. Thank you for the question. I believe that that's the last question for today, everyone. So I want to note that we have a very active IR calendar in September. If you are attending RE+, please stop by. We'd be happy to offer you a booth tour and discuss new products, driving our results. If we can help you further today, please reach out to investors at shoals.com with any question. We're happy to help. Thanks, everyone, for joining us today. Have a great day. Thanks, all.

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