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spk06: Good morning and welcome to SiriusXM's second quarter 2021 financial and operating results conference call. Today's conference is being recorded. A question and answer session will be conducted following the presentation. If you have a question at that time, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. If at any time you'd like to be removed from the queue, please press star 2. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Hooper Stephens, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Finance. Mr. Stephens, Please go ahead.
spk12: Thank you, and good morning, everyone.
spk02: Welcome to SiriusXM's second quarter 2021 earnings conference call. Today, we will have prepared remarks from Jennifer Witts, our chief executive officer, and Sean Sullivan, our chief financial officer. Scott Greenstein, our president and chief content officer, will join Jennifer and Sean to take your questions. I would like to remind everyone that certain statements made during the call might be forward-looking statements as the term is defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These and all forward-looking statements are based upon management's current beliefs and expectations and necessarily depend upon assumptions, data, or methods that may be incorrect or imprecise. Such forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. For more information about those risks and uncertainties, please view SiriusXM's SEC filings and today's earnings release. We advise listeners to not rely unduly on forward-looking statements and disclaim any intent or obligation to update them. As we begin, I would like to remind our listeners that today's results will include discussions about both actual results and adjusted results. All discussions of adjusted operating results exclude the effects of stock-based compensation and certain purchase price accounting adjustments. With that, I'll turn it over to Jennifer.
spk07: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Our second quarter results demonstrate remarkable continued growth across our business. highlighted by 355,000 net new self-paid SiriusXM subscribers, record low churn of just 1.5%, and outstanding advertising growth of 82%. Total revenue grew 15%, adjusted EBITDA climbed 14% to a new quarterly record, and we generated $550 million of free cash flow. We now expect to add 1.1 million net new SiriusXM self-paid subscribers in 2021. marking our fastest annual growth since 2018. Given our strong operating and financial performance in the first half, we are raising all of our financial guidance across the board. In addition to highlighting a great quarter, today I want to talk about our continued focus on three strategic areas. First, our intention to continue growing and building on our strong presence in the vehicle. Second, our increased focus on engagement and subscriptions outside of the car. And third, our plans to grow our unique advertising platform. Of course, our leading and unmatched content underpins all of these strategic efforts and will play a central role in our ability to deliver on them. SiriusXM's greatest success has come by pairing an easy-to-use service with well-curated content in the vehicle for our subscribers. And we intend to keep winning in the car by driving higher penetration and growing 360L distribution. The vast majority of our subscribers today value us because they enjoy our in-vehicle experience, and most of our listening occurs there as well. Approximately 140 million vehicles on the road today are enabled for SiriusXM, and this continues to climb with a new car penetration rate that reached 82% in the second quarter, up four points from a year ago. Our distribution in-vehicle continues to grow. seen in recently expanded agreements that make Series XM a standard feature in all Jaguar Land Rover and Mini models sold in the United States. Series XM is also bringing the enhanced 360L experience to more and more new vehicle buyers, with significant volumes already rolling out across nine automakers, including Audi, BMW, Ford, GM, Stellantis, and Volkswagen, with more on the way. We continue to expect approximately 80% of SiriusXM-equipped new vehicles in 2025 to include 360L. Customers love 360L's enhanced feature set, ease of use, and interface. Our research shows that there is an increase in customer satisfaction and likelihood to subscribe when consumers experience these new features. We are seeing some encouraging listening and conversion trends when we isolate for other variables and compare 360L-capable cars to other vehicles. We also see very strong conversion rates among trialers who use the 360L features, on-demand Pandora artist stations and the broader set of extra channels enabled by IP delivery. Although it's still very early, this data is extremely promising. Awareness of new features is key to improve performance, so we are hard at work to improve our targeted personalized marketing efforts enabled by and tailored to 360L. We expect the usage data provided in these new cars to be very helpful to our content recommendations. and to improve the efficiency and relevance of our marketing efforts. Over the long run, there is no reason this will not also improve retention and upsell as well. We believe that further growth in new vehicle penetration and 360L distribution will add to the meaningful share of ear gains that SiriusXM has seen in the car. According to Edison Research, from 2016 to 2021, SiriusXM gained the largest amount of in-vehicle listening compared to any other service. Outside of listening to AMFM, which is fragmented and shrinking, SiriusXM maintains the dominant share of ear in vehicles. In fact, our share here is roughly three times bigger than all streaming competitors combined. Of course, we are not satisfied by success within the vehicle alone. We're very focused on growing engagement and subscriptions outside of the vehicle as well. Two years ago, we changed the package structure at SiriusXM to include streaming at no additional cost to almost all of our subscribers. During the pandemic, we opened up our streaming service for free, and we encourage our existing subscribers to stream. We have already started to see the fruits of these efforts. Our research shows that subscribers who say SiriusXM is their number one source for audio outside of the car has doubled in the past three years. Out-of-vehicle listening enhances the value proposition of and overall satisfaction with our service and is a strong predictor of in-vehicle conversion and retention. To date, most of our growth in streaming has come from existing subscribers using the service outside of the vehicle. But we have been putting the building blocks in place to drive incremental subscriptions that aren't tied to a vehicle. We have made major investments to improve the quality and capabilities of our SiriusXM app experience, which we have rebranded as the SXM app, with more updates on the way. We are infusing the SXM app with an even broader range of content, including exclusive programming that is unique to the digital environment. and we are now making meaningful marketing investments to raise awareness of our digital offering. SiriusXM has a history of disrupting audio, and as we look to further shape the future of audio, we are committed to growing SiriusXM digital subscriptions, which will give us an opportunity to take our premium audio content to a much broader audience. As of this month, we will begin allowing digital subscription purchases directly in the iOS and Android versions of the SXM app, making it much easier for consumers to subscribe to our digital packages. As part of the IAP launch, we introduced simplified lower pricing for the streaming music and entertainment plan and the streaming platinum plan, which adds Howard, sports play-by-play, and personalized Pandora stations. For the first time ever, we now allow listeners to try the SXM app for free with a three-hour preview window before setting up a one-month trial. We believe this functionality will allow more listeners to recognize how our exclusive content is truly unmatched in the streaming space. And let me just add, we actually have variable margins on our digital subscriptions that are as good or better than Satellite, making this opportunity all the more attractive. Leaning into digital subscriptions will be one of the key ways we expect to grow our large sub-base and one of the best ways to succeed with a younger, more diverse customer base. The third area of focus I mentioned is our advertising platform. The purchase of Pandora in 2019 immediately gave us a scaled ad-supported user base, best in class ad tech, and an extraordinarily successful ad sales team. In the past 12 months alone, we have generated $1.6 billion of advertising revenue. SiriusXM's large addressable audience, approximately 150 million listeners, makes ours the largest digital audio ad platform in North America. a position sometimes underestimated or overlooked by investors, advertisers, and other content creators. To better leverage this scale and drive success for our advertising clients, we created FXM Media, a unified sales organization representing the best in live radio, streaming, and podcasting. We also have a full suite of end-to-end distribution and monetization solutions for content creators, publishers, and marketers. We are the largest aggregator of premium supply for audio advertisers in the U.S. Our scaled ad network includes a leading podcast advertising network, Midroll, premium exclusive ad representation for other platforms and podcasters, such as SoundCloud and NBC Universal News Group, and significant available inventory via the PAX and AdWave marketplaces. We have a best-in-class buy- and sell-side ad tech staff, that leverages the SiriusXM-owned audio ad platform, as with in Simplecast, which support publishers from large enterprises to individual creators. And SiriusXM also has an incredible in-house audio creative consultancy, Studio Resonate, that many of our customers are using in lieu of creative agencies. We are growing off platform revenue through a host of arrangements with third parties by leveraging our scale, ad tech, and sales infrastructure These media properties, publishers and creators can focus on what they do best, making great content, and we can help them improve monetization. All of our efforts to grow in and out of the vehicle, whether through subscriptions or advertising, have outstanding content at their foundation. To continue successfully shaping the future of audio, we will never lose our focus on delivering high-value content, curated and often exclusive, live, or personalized. We continue to add programming for our listeners with new collaborations with talent, media, and social brands. TikTok is a perfect example. We are working with the social platform and its creators to enable multiple new audio experiences. That includes Pandora exclusive playlists from leading creators on the platform, a new groundbreaking full-time SiriusXM channel that is expected next month, and re-airings of Pandora Live events with major artists on TikTok. We are already seeing higher engagement of this content from younger listeners. Across Pandora and SiriusXM, we continue to celebrate Black artists and culture for Black Music Month with new podcasts, music channels, talk programming, and events. One great example being Black Diamonds, an original podcast we created focused on the rich history of Negro League baseball. We continue to approach podcasting with discipline and a deep knowledge base of what works in audio for the long run. We brought in Roman Mars and his team at 99% Invisible, the critically acclaimed podcast that has been downloaded 500 million times. Roman could have gone anywhere, but we are an ideal place for creators to do their best work and monetize it across the largest distribution and promotion platform in North America. Recently, we announced Seth Rogen would do his first ever podcast with us starting in the fall. Toxic, the Britney Spears story, is the newest podcast from our witness doc unit at Stitcher. Three weeks in, the show has been downloaded over 550,000 times, reached number eight on the Apple podcast chart, and garnered major press around the world. SiriusXM will always offer a wide range of opinions and viewpoints, And as a great example, we recently announced a new show created and hosted by Megan Kelly coming in September. She joined an array of talent covering the broadest spectrum of political and news programming in audio. Megan's show represents a unique multi-platform approach. She can interact live with SiriusXM subscribers who will then also enjoy video highlights in the FXM app. and an edited podcast version of the show will subsequently receive wider distribution on SiriusXM, Pandora, Stitcher, and other major platforms. To make it easier to understand our offerings and purchase all of this great content, we recently rebranded our subscription plan. And to unlock more value for our best customers, we launched Platinum VIP, our first-ever subscription plan that includes multiple vehicle access plus streaming. This new VIP plan also includes live concert archives from nub.net, greater access to virtual and live Stereotex M events, and an enhanced tier of customer care. For close to two decades, we have transformed the way listeners consume music, news, and other content inside of the vehicle. And in recent years, we have been expanding the reach of our services beyond the vehicle. Our hard work and investments are driving a higher satisfaction rate, and improved value proposition that we now know ties directly back to strong subscriber growth and term performance. I'm very proud of this quarter's results and progress on our strategic priorities. And with that, I will turn it over to Sean.
spk10: Thank you, Jennifer, and good morning, everyone. Our second quarter results highlight the impressive growth SiriusXM continues to deliver in subscribers, revenue, adjusted EBITDA, and free cash flow. Total revenue increased 15%, $2.16 billion, led by 82% growth in ad revenue. Although the pandemic impacted the advertising business in last year's second quarter, as a point of comparison, our ad revenue grew 20% compared to the second quarter of 2019. Continued strong performance in our on and off platform businesses, including AdsWiz and Stitcher, contributed to overall advertising revenue growth. Adjusted EBITDA increased 14% to $700 billion, company record for any single quarter. Diluted earnings per share were $0.10 or $0.08, excluding $140 million of satellite recoveries tax-affected. Our strong financial performance generated $550 million of free cash flow during the second quarter. Free cash flow included $16 million of insurance proceeds related to SXM-7. To date, we have booked $140 million of insurance proceeds, including the $16 million collected in Q2. Against this, we will begin spending this year on a replacement satellite, SXM-9, as well as on our next generation spare, SXM-10. Turning to our segments, in the SiriusXM segment, revenue increased 7% to $1.6 billion, with ARPU growth of 4% to $14.57. Gross profit grew 5% to $996 million, resulting in a margin of 61%. Year-to-date SAR has been approximately $17 million. Although June SAR came in light compared to preceding months, consumer demand for new and used vehicles remained strong, and we saw record trial starts in both new and used cars in the second quarter, positioning us well for the back half. Moving now to the Pandora segment, advertising revenue of $383 million in the second quarter increased 82% from last year and even 25% compared to the same period in 2019. Growth and monetization at Pandora was aided by the addition of Stitcher and our off-platform business centered around AdsWiz. Pandora's ad revenue crossed $100 per thousand hours, and off-platform revenue, excluding Stitcher, grew approximately $22 million, or 79%, compared to the second quarter of 2020, driven by considerable growth in AdsWiz, SoundCloud, and AdWave. Bookings remained strong across the board during the second quarter, with the largest gain being in travel and tourism. Pent-up demand and an increase in consumer confidence have both contributed to the travel industry seeing one of the strongest surges on record in the second quarter. Restaurant and automotive categories increased spending, and we saw large growth in entertainment driven by the return of the movie business. Pandora monthly active users and total ad-supported listening hours were 55 million and 3.03 billion, respectively. Pandora added 118,000 net new self-paced subs to end the second quarter with 6.5 million total self-paced subscribers. Gross profit in the Pandora segment grew 176% over the second quarter of 2020, or 23% compared to the second quarter of 2019, and gross margin improved 16 points to 37%. Given the Web 5 decision, we now have certainty in the bulk of our streaming royalty rates through 2025. In the first half of 2021, we returned approximately $965 million of capital to stockholders, comprised of $844 million in common stock repurchases and $121 million in dividends. In June, we opportunistically raised $2 billion of new senior unsecured notes with a coupon of just 4%, and we intend to use the remaining cash proceeds in August to call our outstanding 2022 note. Net debt to adjusted EBITDA was 3.2 times at the end of the second quarter. Our $1.75 billion revolving credit facility was completely undrawn and fully available. Turning to 2021 guidance, as Jennifer mentioned, we now expect to add 1.1 million self-pay net subscribers at SiriusXM, with a 300,000 upside driven by strong additions and record low churns. With momentum in both subscriptions and advertising, we now expect $200 million of incremental revenue, or $8.55 billion in total. Higher margins and meaningful new investments in long-term growth drive $100 million in upside to our 2021 adjusted EBITDA expectation, which now sits at $2.675 billion. We are also increasing our free cash flow expectation to $1.7 billion based on higher adjusted EBITDA and insurance recovery's net of new satellite spending. We feel very good about our updated guidance in growing full-year visibility.
spk12: So with that, I will open it up to Q&A.
spk06: Thank you. At this time, we'd like to open the call up for questions. I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. If at any time you'd like to be removed from the queue, please press star two.
spk01: We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. All right. We'll go ahead and take our first question from Jessica Reese-Ehrlich with Bank of America Securities.
spk00: Excuse me. Thank you. Please go ahead. Thank you. Three separate questions. One on advertising. I mean, extraordinary growth. Can you parse through, like, the different areas, podcasting, versus the traditional platform versus digital, and maybe what the different demographics and growth rates are. And then second on churn, which was outstanding, do you think it's sustainable to keep it at this level? And then finally on the premium service, it seems like a hefty price. I'm just wondering if you can address what you think the TAM is. I mean, it's differentiated, but, yeah, if you could just address what you think that market size would be.
spk07: Sure. Hi, Jessica. So on the advertising front, we saw growth across all categories, right? On the Pandora, owned and operated, SiriusXM, Stitcher, and our other auth platform. So it was really across the board. And clearly, last year's second quarter was depressed, you know, going into COVID. But overall advertising revenue, as I think Sean mentioned in his comments, is up 20% versus the second quarter of 2019. So really strong growth across the board. I don't think we're going to share anything on demographics necessarily, but really just a lot of the categories. Sean, do you want to comment on some of the categories?
spk10: Yeah. We saw a lot in travel, leisure, restaurants. We talked about it in the script. I guess what I would add, Jessica, is obviously we've done very well both on and off platforms. So whether it's SoundCloud, AdsWiz, some of the ad representation deals has really driven growth and We continue to see strong demand across all of our platforms and products. We see great pricing. So we really think there's still a meaningful amount of growth on the advertising line, depending on platform and opportunities. So we're really pleased where we're at. I think the SXM Media organization and bringing that together really positions us well for the back half of the year.
spk07: Great. So on churn... And your question is whether it's sustainable. I think we are all a little surprised by 1.5%. We haven't seen that in a really long time. But we've been at 1.6%, I think, three of the four quarters prior to this last quarter. Non-pay continues to run low. Voluntary churn has been much lower than we even expected. And vehicle-related is up year over year as we as we expected going into this year with higher trial starts. So I think as you look at the rest of the year, as we said kind of going into the year, we would expect it to tick up. I would expect non-pay to continue to revert to more normal levels as spending levels increase on the consumer side, and vehicle-related as well, just as we think trial starts will continue to be strong going through this year. On the voluntary side, I would just point out that we believe that there's a lot of momentum there with what we've done on streaming and providing access to our subscribers. Overall, we've seen really nice increases in satisfaction and value perception, which translates through to retention. So we're really pleased with that. And then your last question about the premium service, so I assume you're referring to Platinum VIP. We just launched that this month, and I think the biggest opportunity there within our subscriber base is those households that have one active vehicle and another inactive vehicle, and presenting this plan to them with the fact that it has two vehicle subscriptions, two streaming logins, a tremendous number of VIP benefits, including opportunities for access to our great live events and performances, access to nugs.net content through their app, and then, you know, platinum-level VIP care. So, you know, with these level of benefits, we do think that that's going to be the most attractive market within our subscriber base. But there's also opportunities to upsell those that have, you know, two vehicles subscribed but on, you know, other plans and not the platinum-level plans. Thank you.
spk01: All right.
spk06: We can go ahead and take our next question from Steven Cahill with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
spk04: Thanks. Maybe first for me, I was just wondering if you could sort of break down your gross ad funnel in terms of what you've seen from new cars versus used cars. It seems like we'll probably get into a period here in the future where used cars are just going to be a bigger part of transactions on inventory shortages. So we'd just love to know how those trends track, especially as we're now getting into used cars that are a lot newer than they've historically been. And then, Sean, I was wondering if you could give us a few housekeeping items like new car penetration, new and used car conversion rates, and paid trial starts. Thanks.
spk07: I'll start on, you know, kind of the contribution and the funnel. We have, we've had really strong growth as, you know, record trial starts in Q1 and Q2 of this year. You know, the consumer demand for New and used vehicles has been really strong, as you know. And so we've seen growth on the top line in terms of conversions and overall growth ads, in addition to, you know, the lower turn rate. So that's contributed to the better net ads overall. So I'd just say on a contribution or the relative contribution, so pen rates are going up for both new cars and used cars for us. You know, we said in the second quarter we had 82% on the new car side, which is up four points year over year. Used cars continues to pick up towards 50%, you know, and it's up probably a couple points year over year. So we did have one quarter last year where used car trial starts were about the same, about 50 with new car trial starts. But otherwise, you know, our trial starts do tend to skew slightly towards new. And I would expect that to continue given kind of the growth and the 10 rates we've seen there. And so then on kind of the other metrics, I don't think we're going to get into some of the specifics on the, you know, explicit churn and otherwise. Was there another part to the question, John, that you wanted to cover?
spk10: I don't think so. I think you covered all, Jennifer. Thank you. Thanks.
spk06: All right. We'll go ahead and take our next question from Jason Bazinet with Citi. Please go ahead.
spk05: Thanks so much. Thank you. Just one for Ms. Witts and then one for Mr. Sullivan. You said one thing in the prepared remarks about variable margins in IPB that were greater than the satellite service. Were you comparing variable margin to variable margin in that comment or variable margin to sort of average margin? And then for Mr. Sullivan, you mentioned the $2 billion capital raise that you did with the potential to use the proceeds to pay off the 2022 debt. I was just wondering, can you just sort of talk about what the extra billion will be used for?
spk07: So first on your variable margin question, we were comparing variable margins for our digital standalone subscribers versus our satellite subscribers. And just looking at kind of the royalty rates, the data costs, and customer care, And overall, we look as good or better on the digital side, and we don't have the same kind of facts that we would have on the satellite side of the business. And in terms of digital subscriptions and the acquisition funnel, it's really about marketing, and it's highly performance-driven. So we have the ability to scale that up and down based on where – where we're trending in terms of the performance against kind of LTVs and other thresholds. So it's very trackable and something that you'll see us spending a lot more towards as we launch through IAP. We've done a tremendous amount of work in building our products in the apps and our digital subscriptions on the SiriusXM side. We've added a lot of content over the last couple of years with you know, hundreds of extra channels with, you know, on-demand, podcasts, video. So it's a really robust offering at, you know, relatively low and competitive price point. And, you know, we put the capabilities in place now for consumers to transact much more easily in-app, and we'll be putting marketing behind that to continue to drive awareness about the presence and availability and and strength of our product outside of the car. And, you know, we hope to have more distribution partnerships to announce in the future as well to support that. Sean?
spk10: Yeah, Jason, just on your other question. So we raised $2 billion. We had a roughly billion dollars drawn on the revolver, so that was paid down. And the billion dollars you see on the balance sheet at the end of the quarter will be used to call the August 22 notes that I mentioned.
spk12: Thank you.
spk01: All right, we'll take our next question from Ben Swinburne with Morgan Stanley.
spk06: Please go ahead.
spk09: Thanks. Good morning. Jennifer, just on the advertising business, obviously a lot of strength there. Can you talk a little bit about sort of what the governors are on growth looking forward? I'm just wondering, you know, if sort of third-party inventory, you know, is a key part of the longer-term growth story and kind of how you guys attract more third-party inventory into SiriusXM, sort of what's the pitch and Maybe you could talk a little bit about how advertisers are viewing digital audio as we have this really strong ad market we're seeing this year. And then, Sean, is there anything in the quarter or in the guidance on the LPU front from the Web 5 decision that you want to call out? I don't know if there was any adjustments from first quarter or anything material you'd call out, just given that you now have line of sight on those costs versus sort of what you were accruing or what was in the guidance. Thank you.
spk10: Yeah, Ben, maybe I'll take the second one first and I'll turn it over to Jennifer. So I think if you look at the LPM, you can see the effects through the first half of the year. You know, as we said on the last call, or maybe I said at a recent conference, we were narrowly better than what we had anticipated. So I think what you see in the first half and what you see embedded in our guidance reflects the current rates and expectations. So it's all factored in.
spk07: And on your advertising question, I think there's growth across all categories. Clearly, we've had declines in the listeners on the Pandora side, but despite that, we've continued to drive better monetization there. And it's really a function of rates and sell-through. But, yes, there's probably even more opportunity off-platform, and we're using, as Sean mentioned with SXM Media, we're using all of the strengths that we have with this combined sales force, this really strong ad tech platform, as well as really all the value-added services that we bring to the table, whether it's Studio Resonate, our creative consultancy, or the ability to sell live events or proprietary research. So we believe we have the most compelling set of assets on the advertising side, and it's reflected in our leadership position in digital audio in North America. So I do think there is opportunity for us to bring more publishers to our platform and for them to participate in our marketplaces, and for us to direct sell on their behalf. And we did that, and we've continued to expand our relationship with SoundCloud, as you know, and with NBCUniversal. I believe there'll be more to come. And then, of course, there has been dramatic growth in podcasting, and we have all of the assets, again, that we need there to continue to support podcast creators and being able to monetize and distribute their content broadly, really across all platforms.
spk08: Jennifer, one other thing on that I wanted to just add is with Pandora, the growth also will come through. You know, we're not constrained on the music side. We're commercial-free on Sirius. And as Jennifer mentioned, the live events, they did one with Ed Sheeran at Pandora that was both great content but also great advertising. revenue project. And the modes launch has led to a number of major artists like Olivia Rodrigo and Justin Bieber and others. You know, TikTok is now starting to be a presence on the platform and other things will come as, you know, music and other content really starts to go into Pandora. It's going to lead to a lot of other opportunities and other. And the second point was there's a lot of content providers that look to us for ad sales. And as they get into that process, they determine those audio assets we have that they want their content on. Whether it's NBC News and others, it can start with the content and end up at the ad sales or vice versa. So I like our position in growing in ad sales due to the attractiveness on both sides.
spk07: Yeah, I think that's a great point, Scott. I mean, we offer the broadest set of capabilities across multiple formats, whether it's you know, live or podcasts or, you know, more interactive or on demand. And, you know, we have all of these different formats, music, talk, news, sports. So we – and that's what advertisers want. They want, you know, to be able to buy broadly across audio assets.
spk12: Thanks, everybody.
spk06: All right. We'll take our next question from Brian Kraft, Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
spk11: Hi, thanks. Good morning. I had a couple questions, if you don't mind. First, just wondering if you can give us a sense of whether you expect much acceleration in ARPU growth from the shift to the new plans. And can you clarify whether existing subscribers will be grandfathered into their old plans or if they'll be forced to migrate as their subscriptions renew? And then secondly, how do you think the new vehicle inventory recovery is shaping up for the second half of the year? Do you think we'll be back to normal as far as dealer inventories by the end of the year, at least close, or do you think it actually takes into next year? Thanks.
spk07: So I guess I'll start with the first one on ARPU growth. And Sean, if you want to add in, feel free. But we've had a sort of consistent growth of around, I think, 2% to 3% annually in ARPU growth. And I do think we've had really strong take rates on our highest package prior to the launch of Platinum VIP, which previously was called All Access and is now renamed Platinum. And so that was real evidence that there is demand above that, which played into our decision to launch Platinum VIP. No one's going to be forced to migrate. I mean, it's a voluntary package. The migration for the plans that are changing names, obviously, will be seamless. But So I think there's upside in ARPU, but we don't look at ARPU on its own. It's really how do we drive overall revenue, and clearly that's a function of volume and rate, and we believe that there's opportunity really across the pricing curve, and we have a number of packages at different price points that I think will continue to drive demand along a number of consumer segments, including our digital product, which is competitively priced against our other subscriptions as well. Was there anything else on ARPU? Function this year, obviously, of the increases in ARPU is also just the recovery in ad revenue, which has been really strong and rolls through that as well. And then on your last point about new vehicle inventory, I'm sure you're following all the news. The day sales is, I think, the mid-20s, which is just exceptionally low, but I'd say the automakers have done a phenomenal job determining which models to produce, putting vehicles on a lot until the parts come in, and making sure that they're making the best decisions. Average vehicle sales prices were as high as they've ever been in the last quarter, and the demand is still there. I think there could be some softness in the third quarter still, but I'm hoping that it's turning around by the end of the year and going into next year.
spk11: Just one follow-up on the ARPU question. Did any of the price points on the other plants change, or was it really just at the premium level?
spk07: No. No other price points changed.
spk12: Okay. Thank you very much.
spk06: All right, we'll take our next question from Doug Mitchelson with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
spk13: Oh, thanks so much. I was just curious. You want to talk about advertising, obviously, on this call and previous. For the Pandora-specific inventory, how much more upside to advertising ARPU do you see? And I can't tell if I just missed it in the answer to the last question, but as you talk about ad loads on Pandora, Have you considered changing those at all? Have they changed at all given the good pricing that you're seeing on the advertising side? And then separately from that, anything on the M&A front that you are finding interesting, especially as you broaden out on the ad sales front? And obviously you're a little bit farther along on the podcast front. How should we think about the potential for capital employment in M&A and what are your thoughts on that right now? Thanks.
spk10: Sure, Doug. You know, on the Pandora side, I think ad loads have been relatively consistent, and I don't believe there's any intention to change that given the demand and the pricing environment. One, two, I think we've seen, you know, increased sellout percentages across the board year over year. You know, there is still room to increase sellout, and given the strong demand and given the pricing and I think the product that we offer, we do think there's incremental upside. So we'll leave it there. You know, we've talked about the back half of the year and our expectation for advertising growth. So that's the advertising. You know, again, capital allocation remains consistent. You know, as we talked about, we're really focused on 360L. We're really focused on the digital SXM app and investing there and enhancing our position outside of the vehicle. You know, we've done, as you know, disciplined... M&A across the board. I think right now we really feel good about the portfolio of assets we have. We don't really think there's a real gap. You know, there are things like Roman Mars and, you know, the 99% Invisible that I think are nice additions to the portfolio and the offering. So from an M&A perspective, you know, we'll continue to observe what's in the marketplace and, you know, where there are gaps and things that can accelerate our offering or strategic roadmap. But we feel pretty good about where we're at right now. All right, thank you.
spk06: All right, we will take our last and final question from James Ratcliffe at Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.
spk03: Thank you. Two, if I could. First of all, on 360L, I think you mentioned that customers who use the service are more likely to convert. As I recall, back when the SiriusXM product was new and most people hadn't experienced it, like a big driver of conversion was whether the salesperson actually demoed it on delivery. What are you doing with the dealerships to ensure that people actually understand what they're getting in the car and what the capabilities of 360L are? And secondly, on SiriusXM Seller Radio ARPU, can you talk a little about what you're seeing in terms of ARPU for gross ads and how that's trending today? for new customers coming on board. Thanks.
spk07: Okay, so I'll start with 360L. Yes, you are right that demos and dealerships definitely help drive conversion. And we do have a field team that helps train the employees at the dealerships to encourage them to provide trials. By the way, there are also making sure for used cars that the radios are on, which has done, you know, also a great job in terms of getting people to convert because it's just, you know, another way to remove friction. But, you know, on the new car side with 360L, you know, it's a competitive situation at the dealership. You know, they're trying to provide a lot of information about the car to the buyer. and we're not going to be always represented in a full demo mode. So the great thing about 360L is to the extent we have good information, over time we can provide really strong recommendations. So this is just a major fundamental change in our business. We have only been able to deliver, as you know, through a broadcast network to the car in the past, and now leveraging the modem in the car and having access to all of that data, we can provide such a, you know, much more customized experience for the listener. And, you know, I absolutely believe that's going to drive performance. You know, we see it as customers use all these new features, but we can, you know, provide information on what other features might be relevant or other content. I mean, it's just game-changing. And, of course, we can do that in the car and we can do it out of the car in our marketing materials. So even if we don't get the dealer demo, I think we have a lot of tools now to be able to, you know, improve the interaction from, you know, day one as consumers, you know, move into those cars that are 360L capable. And then, you know, we aren't really discussing our proof of growth ads. I mean, you know, we do use, you know, promotional offers and, you know, other types of, plans to encourage conversion and then roll people to higher-priced packages over time. So that's just a function of the relative amount of new additions compared to the base in any given time period.
spk02: Thank you. Thanks, James. Thanks, everybody, for participating in today's call. If we didn't get to you, please give us a ring. We will talk offline in next quarter. Thanks, everybody.
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