2/4/2026

speaker
Tawanda
Conference Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the SciTimes fourth quarter 2025 financial results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask the question during the session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. We ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded today, February 4th, 2026. I would now like to turn the conference over to Brett Perry of Shelton Group Investor Relations. Brett, please go ahead.

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Brett Perry
Investor Relations, Shelton Group

Thank you, Tawanda. Good afternoon, and welcome to today's conference call to discuss Sidetime's fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial results, as well as Sidetime's proposed acquisition of Renace's timing business. Joining us on today's call from Sidetime are Rajesh Vashist, Chief Executive Officer, and Beth Howe, Chief Financial Officer. Please note, in addition to the respective press releases issued this afternoon, supplemental slide deck related to the proposed acquisition is available in the investor relations section of the company's website at investors.sidetime.com. Before we begin, I'd like to point out that during the course of this call, the company may make forward-looking statements regarding expected future results, including financial positions, strategy and plans, future operations, the timing market, and other areas of discussion. It's not possible for the company's management to predict all risks, nor can the company assess the impact of all factors on its business or the extent to which any factor or combination of factors may cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any forward-looking statements. In light of these risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, the forward-looking events discussed during this call may not occur, and actual results could differ materially and adversely from those anticipated or implied. Neither the company nor any person assumes responsibility for the accuracy and completeness of the forward-looking statements. The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update forward-looking statements for any reason after the date of today's call to conform statements to actual results or to changes in the company's expectations. For more detailed information on risks associated with the business, we refer you to the risk factors described in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2024. as well as the company's subsequent filings with the SEC, including the company's quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2025. During the call, management will refer to non-GAAP financial measures, which are considered to be an important measure of company performance. These non-GAAP financial measures are provided in addition to and not as a substitute for nor superior to measures of financial performance prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP. The gaps to non-GAAP reconciliation include stock-based compensation expense, amortization of acquired intangibles, and acquisition-related expenses, which include transaction and certain other cash costs associated with business acquisition, as well as changes in the estimated fair value of earn-out liabilities and accretion of acquisition consideration payable. Please refer to the company's press release issued earlier today for a detailed reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP financial results. With that, it's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Sitem's CEO, Rajesh. Please go ahead.

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Rajesh Vashist
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Brett. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. We have a lot to talk about. We announced exceptional results for 2025, and we also announced a transformational acquisition. I'll begin with our business and our performance, and then I'll turn to the transaction. Q4 2025 was another exceptional quarter for Sitem. We delivered 113.3 million in Q4, up 66% year-over-year, and earnings per share tripled from 48 cents to $1.53. In Q4, every end customer segment grew year-on-year, as did every region. Gross margins in the quarter grew significantly up 61.2%. I'm particularly pleased about this achievement. In the beginning of 2025, we said we would exit the year at greater than 60% gross margins, and we achieved it. We predicted this expansion of gross margins because we anticipated mixed changes to higher value products, and we reduced new product costs as they moved into volume production. For all of 2025, we delivered $326.7 million in up 61% year over year. Every end customer segment and region showed growth. Earnings per share more than tripled from 93 cents to $3.20. Demand remained very strong exiting the year, which is an indication of significant future growth in 2026. While we don't usually discuss our book to bill, we wanted to give you a metric of the demand strength across a customer base as we go into a strong year. So our book to bill was over 1.5 at the end of Q4, and we have excellent visibility for the year. Channel health remained solid exiting 2025. Distributor and contract manufacturer inventory levels were in line with our target, reflecting strong sell-through and disciplined supply management. Design win momentum remained solid across all end customer segments and regions, another indication of growth in 2026 and beyond. Q4 growth was again led by QAM's Enterprise Data Center, CED, business, which grew 160% year-over-year. This marks the seventh consecutive quarter of over 100% year-over-year growth. Additionally, Our 2026 CED forecast has grown since our last earnings call, driven by increases in AI CapEx spending. The two to four X increase in computing power of the new XPUs, GPUs, CPUs is driving the need for faster networking infrastructure and accelerating the adoption of 1.6 terabit optical modules. Our customers have recently increased the 2026 forecast for our oscillators used in 1.6T optical modules by 50%, which is over and above the increase that we reported in November. This move to 1.6T drives the need for higher clocking frequencies from our oscillators for which we get higher ASPs or average selling prices. The increase in 1.6T modules notwithstanding Demand for oscillators used in 800G optical module continues to remain strong. In parallel to the increase in bandwidth of networking infrastructure, the hyperscalers are deploying more XPUs for training as well as getting ready for inference. Since November, this trend has driven a 50% increase in 2026 forecast of our super TCXOs, which are used in both computing infrastructure and the supporting smart NICs or network interface cards. SciTime's goal has always been to deliver predictable revenue growth. At IPO, CED was just 12% of our revenue, and then we created a strategic plan to expand it to 40% to 50%. Since then, our focused investments in product development, as well as customer acquisition, have paid off handsomely. CED today makes up 53% of our revenue, and that is exactly where we want to be. I'm also very pleased that a large portion of this revenue comes from high-value products, reflecting the sustained benefit that we bring to our customers. Our CED strategy laid the foundation of our success today, and we're using this as a blueprint for rapid growth in our other businesses. We continue to grow across all other end segments. aerospace defense, automotive, and industrial are all benefiting from increased adoption of autonomous systems and physical AI where systems perceive, reason, and interact in the physical world in real time. These systems need accurate positioning, sensor fusion, motor control, and precise synchronization where precision timing is essential. For example, In humanoid robots, we see up to $20 of a precision timing product, and robot axes in level four ADAS, or self-driving cars, require up to $15 of precision timing content. In defense, where worldwide spending is accelerating, our product resilience is driving adoption in a variety of applications. Variety of applications. In the next few years, we expect that each of our automotive defense and industrial businesses to exceed $100 million annually. Entering 2026, demand drivers remain firmly in place. Our strategy remains unchanged to lead in high-value precision timing applications, deliver differentiated system-level solutions, and scale our operating model to drive a long-term value creation. The combination of deep engagement in AI infrastructure and broad participation across diverse segments positions us exceptionally well for continued growth. I'm confident in our trajectory and excited about the opportunities ahead. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Beth, our CFO, to review the financial details, after which we'll be happy to take your questions.

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Beth Howe
Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Rajesh. Today, I'll walk through our fourth quarter and full year 2025 results, and then I'll provide our outlook for the first quarter of fiscal 2026. As a reminder, my remarks focus on non-GAAP financial results, which are reconciled to GAAP in our press release. Fiscal 2025 has been a pivotal year for the company, one in which we delivered exceptional revenue growth, expanded gross margins, and demonstrated meaningful operating leverage. Our results reflect the scalability of our operating model, the strength of demand across our target customer segments, and the growing strategic value of our products and solutions. For the full year, revenue reached $326.7 million, an increase of 61% from the prior year. Gross margins for the year were 59.3%, and operating expenses were $135 million. Non-GAAP operating profit was $58.6 million, an increase of $58 million year-on-year, or 18% of revenue. For fiscal 2025, our non-GAAP earnings per share more than tripled to $3.20. Cash flow from operations was $87.2 million for the year, a strong improvement compared to $23.2 million in 2024. reflecting the combined benefit of higher revenue, richer mix, and disciplined expense management. Overall, our momentum reflects a company operating with focus, efficiency, and increasing strategic impact. Turning to our fourth quarter results, Q4 was a milestone quarter for the company, as we surpassed $100 million in quarterly revenue for the first time and generated operating margins of 30%. Revenue in Q4 was $113.3 million, up 66% year-over-year and 36% sequentially. Revenue was significantly higher than expected as customer demand continued to strengthen in the quarter. Communications Enterprise and Data Center continued to be the primary growth engine, contributing $64.6 million, or 57% of total revenue. and rising 160% year-over-year. Growth in this segment was broad-based and driven by multiple customers across AI and data centers. Automotive, industrial, and aerospace delivered $24.5 million, or 22% of revenue, increasing 19% year-over-year. And consumer and IoT and mobile revenue was $24.2 million, or 21% of total revenue, up 7% year-on-year, with our largest consumer customer contributing $17 million for the quarter. Gross margins in Q4 were 61.2%, representing a 240 basis point improvement year-over-year, and ending the year above 60% as we had forecast at the beginning of 2025. The increase was primarily driven by continued mixed shifts toward higher margin products. Improving manufacturing overhead absorption also contributed meaningfully to the margin expansion. Operating expenses for the quarter were $35.5 million, consisting of $19 million in R&D and $16.5 million in SG&A. This was in line with expectations and driven by higher headcount, variable compensation tied to revenue performance, and continued investments to support our long-term roadmap. Operating income for the quarter was $34 million, an increase of $26 million year-over-year, demonstrating strong leverage and discipline in our cost structure as revenue scales. Interest in other income and expense was $7.4 million. Non-GAAP net income was $41.3 million, or $1.53 per share, more than tripled the 48 cents reported a year ago. Now let me turn to the balance sheet. Accounts receivables ended the quarter at $45 million, with day sales outstanding at 36 days, up from 24 days in Q3 as linearity returned to more normal patterns. Inventory declined to $81.7 million from $86.7 million in Q3, driven by customer shipments during the quarter, and continued focus on inventory management. During the quarter, we generated $25.4 million in cash from operations. We also invested $12.6 million in capital expenditures. Finally, we paid $42.2 million to Aura, including the final payment for dye deliveries. we ended the quarter with strong liquidity position of $808 million in cash and short-term investments. Now let me move to our outlook for the March quarter. Because the acquisition of Renesas Timing Business is not expected to close in Q1, it has no impact on our guidance. Looking ahead to Q1, we expect first quarter seasonality to be less than our historical average and that our comms enterprise data center, or CED business, will grow sequentially. Since consumer is typically down seasonally sequentially in the first quarter, the higher mix of CED and the lower mix of consumer is also expected to contribute to stronger gross margins in Q1. Thus, we project revenue in the range of $101 to $104 million, up roughly 70% year-over-year at the midpoint. gross margin to be approximately 62% plus minus half a point given our expected product mix for Q1, operating expenses in the range of $39 to $40 million, interest income of approximately $7 million, and a share count of 27 to 27.5 million shares. As a result, we expect Q1 non-GAAP earnings per share to be in the range of $1.10 to $1.17. With that, I'll hand the call back to Rajesh to discuss our intent to acquire Renaissance's timing business. Rajesh?

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Rajesh Vashist
Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Beth. To reflect a little bit, over the past two decades, SciTime created the precision timing category and fundamentally transformed the timing market by delivering highly differentiated products that solve customers' tough timing problems. Along the journey, there were a handful of defining inflection points. Acquiring Renesas' timing business is perhaps the largest and one of the most exciting. This business, similar to CITON, has a differentiated broad product portfolio, except that's in clocks, where we have a small footprint. Additionally, they have an enviable financial profile, a respected team, and a 30-year heritage that started as ICS, then IDT, and finally Renesas. We are really glad to have this business as part of Sitem. We've always said that customers need complete timing solutions, which include oscillators, resonators, and clocks. Our oscillators and resonators are semiconductors, MEMS-based, and we've been investing in this technology for the past 20 years. To grow Sitem's clock business, we invested in our own development. In parallel, in 2023, we acquired Aura's clock products which had leadership IP and 50 clock products. Now, Renesas' timing business takes us to scale in clocking. They are the preeminent brand with 500 highly differentiated clock products. Because they're focused on clocking in CED, industrial and automotive, they complement our high performance oscillator revenue. The 160 engineers that come over to Citan at close gives us an opportunity to build an exciting roadmap of products that would not have been previously possible. With this acquisition, our revenue mix continues its transformation and increases scale in CED. On a pro forma basis, our 2025 CED revenue will almost double with Vanessa's 2025 AI data center comms revenue. To this, we'll add our rapid organic growth in 2026 and combine it with their growth. The breadth and diversity of our customers will grow significantly with this acquisition, along with faster access to customers that we would have secured only several years in the future. This acceleration of customers will include 10 hyperscalers, seven AI server leaders, 10 networking and communication vendors, and leading automotive OEMs and tier ones, and leaders in mobile IoT and consumer. On Renesas and Sidetime's common customers, there is minimal product overlap, and we have an opportunity to generate new revenue by selling our differentiated oscillators to them. It's an unprecedented opportunity for both Sidetime and our customers to collaborate and build on our 20- and 30-year heritage to reach an extraordinary level of success in precision planning. This is also an exceptional business with great financials. It's expected to add $300 million in the 12 months after close, with approximately 70% in gross margins. 75% of the revenue comes from the fast-growing CED segment, which is strategically important to us. It also maintains Sitem's long-term growth rate of 25% to 30%. This acquisition is a monumental milestone towards fulfilling our vision to transform the timing market, solve our customers' toughest timing challenges, and accelerate our path to $1 billion in revenue. We see remarkable opportunities ahead, and we are more excited than ever about the future of Sitem. I'll turn the call over to Beth to provide more details.

speaker
Beth Howe
Chief Financial Officer

Beth? Thanks, Rajesh. Building on Rajesh's overview of the strategic rationale, I'll walk through how this acquisition strengthens our financial profile and accelerates our long-term growth trajectory. What is most compelling is the alignment between the strategic value of this business and its financial contribution, both of which meaningfully enhance side-time scale, profitability, and cash generation capacity. Financially, this acquisition significantly elevates Sitem's revenue profile, margin structure, and cash flow potential. Approximately 75% of the acquired revenue comes from our comms enterprise data center sector, a fast-growing and strategically important segment for our long-term success. The remainder is diversified across automotive and industrial, further expanding our reach into durable, attractive applications across timings. As we integrate the business, we intend to invest in go-to-market capabilities to fully capture these opportunities. Importantly, as Rajesh mentioned, our long-term annual revenue growth target of 25% to 30% remains firmly intact. The acquired portfolio operates with approximately 70% gross margins reflecting the value and differentiation of the products. This positions Sitem to reach the upper end of our 60% to 65% long-term gross margin target more quickly, while expanding operating margins to above 30% as we scale and benefit from increased operating leverage. The transaction is also expected to be accretive to Sitem's non-GAAP EPS in the first full year post-close. And finally, with the combination of our organic growth and the attractive profitability of the acquired business, we expect to generate meaningful cash flow. We have structured this transaction to maintain financial strength and flexibility. Under the terms of the agreement, Sidetime will acquire certain assets related to the Venasas timing business for $1.5 billion in cash and approximately 4.13 million newly issued Sidetime shares, subject to potential adjustments and a 15% symmetrical collar determined by the 10-day volume-adjusted weighted average share price as of the three days prior to the execution of the agreement. We plan to finance the cash portion using a combination of cash on hand and approximately $900 million of committed debt financing from Wells Fargo. Given the strong free cash flow generation of the combined business, we have a clear path to reducing leverage to under two times within 24 months following the closing. The transaction is expected to close by the end of 2026, subject to the satisfaction of customary closing conditions, including applicable regulatory approvals. We are thrilled to announce the intent to acquire this highly complimentary preeminent clocking business as we enter the next phase of our transformation. The combination strengthens our strategic position accelerates our financial performance, and enhances our long-term value creation potential. With that, I'll open the call for questions.

speaker
Tawanda
Conference Operator

Operator? Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder to ask the question, please press star 11 on your telephone, then wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. We ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up, and then return to the queue for additional questions. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Tori Vanberg with Stifel. The line is open.

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Tori Vanberg
Analyst, Stifel

Yes, thank you very much, Rajesh and Beth. Congratulations on the strong results and especially on this highly strategic acquisition. I guess my first question on the core business, so you talked about a book-to-bill of 1.5. I know you're not going to give us guidance sort of by segment, but, you know, could you give us a sense for, you know, where the most of those bookings are coming from, you know, as those bookings obviously generate revenue for the year? Thank you.

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Rajesh Vashist
Chief Executive Officer

Well, it's no surprise that most of those bookings will come from CED because of the tremendous growth in CED, and I think that our customers are seeing the growth going out through the year, through 2026, and many of them are booking in advance of real demand, of demand. I don't mean they're ahead of it, I mean they're on top of it. And I think, but the others are not lagging behind. We still continue to see our diversified growth in all the other VUs as well, but it just happens to be that just because of its scale, the CED is a bigger portion.

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Tori Vanberg
Analyst, Stifel

Very good. And as a follow-up, I had a question on the acquisition and how this is going to play out. So, again, it sounds like 75% of the revenue is aligned with your CED mix, which is great. I guess that means that, you know, there's, you know, end markets or applications that Renaissance is targeting that did not come with the acquisition. But you also mentioned that, you know, you might be able to participate in some of those with your resonated products. So, I was just hoping that you could elaborate a little bit on that, especially on the timing of that potential additional growth engine.

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Rajesh Vashist
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. So just to be clear, we're getting 100% of the timing business. Whatever is in the timing business that's called TPD, Timing Products Division, is coming over to CITAN. There isn't any business which is being left behind. The integration possibility that we are exploring through the MOU is It's a completely different one than timing. As you may know, Renesas is a prominent player in the MCU business, in the microcontroller business. And there's an opportunity for CyTimes resonators, the Titan family of product, to be integrated in their microcontrollers. And that's the one we're exploring. There's a several billion dollar revenue that they get from their MCUs. And we're exploring that and being a timing partner to Renesas. Another way of thinking about this story is that given the fact that the CEO is joining SciTimes board at the closing, this becomes really quite a partnership. This makes sure that not only are we a supplier to them, but we are also a partner to them as we go through the integration process and the TSAs, and so on. So that's what gives me a lot of confidence in the success and the integration of this business. Makes a lot of sense. Thank you, and congrats again.

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Tori Vanberg
Analyst, Stifel

Thank you.

speaker
Tawanda
Conference Operator

Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Quinn Bolton with Needleman Company. Your line is open.

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Quinn Bolton
Analyst, Needleman Company

Hi, Rich, Jason, Beth. I'll offer my congratulations both on the strong results as well as the acquisition. Like Tori wanted to start with a question on the core business. You talked about demand strengthening through the fourth quarter, the book to bill of 1.5. You guys have been growing the comms business over 100% for seven consecutive quarters. And so I guess, Rajesh, I know you're not guiding to 2026, but certainly feels like the growth engines are there to drive growth. better than your long-term average 25% to 30% growth rate in the core business in 2026? And so just wondering as you think about, you know, what the core business can do in 2026, is there any framework you might be able to provide, you know, for sort of that overall growth rate in 2026?

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Rajesh Vashist
Chief Executive Officer

Well, qualitatively, and I'll have Beth jump in to give you a the level of specificity that she wants to give you. Qualitatively, that's absolutely true. We've been growing. We grew in 24 at 40%. We grew in 25 at north of 60%. The business continues. You see Google spending. You see meta spending. There is no stopping in the AI data center world. And then there is the inference part of it, or the LLMs come to physical reality, whether it's human or robots, or other kinds of ideas around that. So I expect that this is a series of growth years coming from the AI business, even beyond data centers. But I'll let Beth add what she thinks first.

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Beth Howe
Chief Financial Officer

Sure. Thanks, Rajesh. I think we do expect it to continue to be led by our comms enterprise data center, as Rajesh talked about. As he also alluded, I think we do see opportunities across automotive, industrial, and aerospace, and some specific opportunities, especially within aerospace, off a small base. But given the increase in drones and other kinds of defense applications. We see a lot of opportunity there. And then finally, in the consumer space, we do expect to see continued growth there as some of our design wins ramp in 2026. And so those are all some of the opportunities and tailwinds we see for the year. And so we're really excited about 2026 and where we can go from here. in terms of the opportunities.

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Quinn Bolton
Analyst, Needleman Company

Excellent. The question I had on the acquisition, obviously, Renaissance is one of the prominent players in the clocking business. I'm wondering on a lot of the boards or sockets where Renaissance plays, are they typically paired up with course oscillators representing an opportunity for you to cross-sell? Or do you feel like the Syfy MEMS oscillators are already pretty well placed on, you know, a lot of the boards where Renaissance timing or clock products are currently used? And just trying to get a better sense for, you know, how much cross-selling opportunity do you see bringing these two businesses under one roof?

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Rajesh Vashist
Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, you exactly put your finger on it, Quinn. We have very little, we have some reasonably solid overlap on customers, but typically on products there's very little. So to your point, they are designed in flocking where the solution is quartz crystal. And this gives us tremendous opportunity to expose the values of our semiconductor differentiated MEMS-based solutions to the customers and see how we can get design wins for the future. So this is the cross-selling opportunity one way, but there's also a cross-selling opportunity another way because we have design wins in AI, in GPUs, in accelerator cards, in switches, where it's not our clock that's in there, the SciFam native clocks. It is either their clock or the clock of another competitor. So that gives us, in the next iteration, it gives us another opportunity to present the customer with a value proposition of an integrated solution. It's, of course, not physically integrated. It is notionally integrated or put together as making it easy for the customer to use it, as well as to get the performance they need, and, of course, the source of supply, which is critical for in all of these situations where they need to have one source of supply so some things are not out of whack and that. So, yeah, clearly that is the case.

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Quinn Bolton
Analyst, Needleman Company

Thank you, Rajesh. And one last quick one for Beth. On the regulatory front, would you expect to require China SAMR approval to close, or do you think you do not need China SAMR to close the transaction?

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Beth Howe
Chief Financial Officer

Thanks for the question. So we are going through the required regulatory processes in the countries that have jurisdiction. At this point in time, we do not expect to need SAMR as part of those regulatory approvals.

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Quinn Bolton
Analyst, Needleman Company

Perfect. Thank you very much.

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Tawanda
Conference Operator

Thank you. Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jim Snyder with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

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Jim Snyder
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. First of all, on the synergies with Renesys, can maybe talk a little bit more about within the data center, the specific synergies between your products on the oscillator side and what Renesys is doing perhaps on the memory side or otherwise. And beyond the cross-sell, do you expect there could be some consolidation of overall board timing content away from other suppliers toward a more holistic solution? In other words, Is there a way that you could provide a more holistic solution between the two of you that maybe would be disadvantageous using another supplier?

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Rajesh Vashist
Chief Executive Officer

Right. So to be very clear, there is no product other than timing that we are going to be bringing into this. So you mentioned memory somewhat earlier. you know, onto the site. We have no influence on that. We have no connection with that. We're only working on one thing and one thing only, which is a timing product division, which used to belong to IDT, before that to ICS. So it's a timing business that we're acquiring and are influenced in timing. But the point that you've made, Jim, is a very good one, which is that today we have products that are oscillators and resonators on one side and clocks on the other. With their 160 engineers, with our almost double that number of engineers, I think we would be able to address the issues of density, power, resilience, higher throughput by delivering solutions, by delivering products that are somehow integrated, not just physically integrated, but somehow integrated to deliver vastly superior solutions because the need for performance, for jitter, for high speed, for throughput, for lower latencies, for lower power, those remain undiminished, not just in AI and data centers where they're extreme, but in all other areas, including consumer, including military aerospace defense. In terms of the one part of AI where clock is not being used right now, And we'll have to see whether the place for it is in the whole optical networking, in the cabling, in the smart cables, in the read timers. Typically, those are not using clocks. Those are oscillators. But either way, there's an enormous opportunity because, as you know, the market is $11 billion for all timing, and CITAN is only a very small portion of it. And Renesas, large as it is, the timing business, it's still also a very small portion of it. There's a significant amount of competitors out there, and it gives us an ability to influence at the highest level, the highest differentiated, most performance-centric customers, allows us to influence that.

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Jim Snyder
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

That's helpful. Thank you. And then relative to the model for 2026, maybe give us a little bit of help on two vectors here. One, on the 1.5 times book to bill, can you give us a sense about the duration of that backlog? Is that 6, 12, 18 months or longer? And then separately talk about, you know, what the relative expected growth rate will be in the mobile and consumer business. Do you think you can sort of match the growth rate you put up in 2025? Thank you.

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Beth Howe
Chief Financial Officer

Maybe I'll start with that one, Jim. So in terms of the book-to-bill, I think Rajesh talked about the fact that we are seeing customers maybe book out a little longer, but typically that's well within 12 months. We see a lot of ordering over the next couple of quarters, but we are seeing some customers book meaningfully in the second half already as well. But I would say definitely weighted to Q1 and Q2 in terms of that. As far as our consumer business, You know, again, there's a lot of activity there, and we've got a design win that we do expect to ramp meaningfully as we go through the year. And so I think that will drive a lot of the performance of that sector.

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Jim

Thank you.

speaker
Tawanda
Conference Operator

Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Tom O'Malley with Barclays. Your line is open.

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Tom O'Malley
Analyst, Barclays

Hey, guys, thanks for taking my question. Looking at your long-term gross margin model, 60 to 65, you're saying the acquisition adds potentially to the high end of that. If I look at your business standalone, over the last year, you've had two quarters where your incremental gross margins are dropping through at 68 and 70%. You obviously have a mixed factor that's helping the gross margins in the March quarter. But as we look at 2026, should we be thinking about something a little bit ahead of of that original target just because of the mix of business moving more towards AI? Anything you can help us with on the margin side as we look through 26?

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Beth Howe
Chief Financial Officer

So as we think about our – I'll start with a gross margin. So mix will be the biggest driver of gross margins in the year, and so I think there's a couple of factors that are contributing to that. The CED growth and mix clearly is a very favorable component of that mix. And then the other is the consumer business. So in quarters where the consumer business is a lower percentage of the total, that is a tailwind to gross margins. In quarters where you see a stronger mix of consumer, that can be a bit of an offset to those strong CED gross margins. So that'll, as we go through the year, I do expect, you know, that mix between those two to be the biggest driver of the gross margin in the quarter. And then if I think about operating margin, I do expect to continue to see favorable operating leverage in the model. So I do expect to continue to grow revenue faster than operating expenses. We do want to continue to invest in the business in a disciplined way to really be able to capture all the growth that we've been talking about. And so we do want to make investments both in our go-to-market as well as R&D to continue to have these world-class platforms in order to be able to deliver value to customers and But there is still meaningful operating leverage in the business.

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Tom O'Malley
Analyst, Barclays

Helpful. And then on the acquisition, I just wanted to understand the OPEX side. Could you maybe give us the split of OPEX between R&D and SG&A of the acquired asset? And then when you look at areas where you can see synergies, could you maybe give us some feel for COGS or OPEX where you could see some of the costs coming out? Thank you. Mm-hmm.

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Beth Howe
Chief Financial Officer

So in terms of the transaction that we announced today, we are acquiring the assets from Buenos Aires of their timing division, as Rajesh talked about. So this is a carve-out, and we are acquiring just those specific assets. And we will be – once we close the acquisition, we will be integrating that into our own – our business and our manufacturing operations and taking those over there. They have a similar kind of OSAP model as we do, and so that will be really the focus for us. We'll talk more about the specifics of the model and the cost structure once we get to close.

speaker
Jim

Thank you. Please stand by for our next question.

speaker
Tawanda
Conference Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Chris Caso with research. Your line is open.

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Chris Caso
Analyst

Yes, thank you. The first question is on the business as you go into 26 with regard to content. And can you speak to the content gains that you realize on the 1.6T platforms? And then what do you think will be the growth rate of those 1.6T platforms? You know, how meaningful is that as a part of your business as you go through 26 given those content gains?

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Rajesh Vashist
Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Chris, the content gains on the 1.6, I think, is going to be pretty good. It may not be, you know, we mentioned it's in the tens of percent up in ASP. And there is an increased number of units being deployed on that, far more than we had thought on our last call in November. So we are very optimistic about that business. But at the same time, our business in other optical modules, like 800 we called out, continues as well as in some of the lower ones. So I think this is a very healthy business. We are designed into a large number of suppliers in the optical module, but also in the AECs, the active cables, as well as in the re-timer business. So the whole networking part of this business as high times is very strong.

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Chris Caso
Analyst

Thank you. As a follow-up, just a question on the transaction. And you speak about the combined business staying on your 25% to 30% growth targets for the existing business. obviously you've been growing at a faster rate than that now. So as you go forward within that 25% to 30%, are you expecting is basically each business growing at that 25% to 30% going forward? And maybe you could talk about the growth rate of that business that had been within Renaissance in the past. You know, had that been, you know, steadily growing at that 25% to 30% rate?

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Rajesh Vashist
Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, we've always maintained that resonators, I'm sorry, oscillators are a system business because it has a resonator and it has a clock. So it's a system business. And in this, excuse me again, oscillators are being used in some places where clocks are not. So for example, in military aerospace defense, oscillators tend to be used over that. Earlier, I just mentioned certain use cases in networking, in AI, the optical modules and such, where there isn't a use case yet for clocks. But in general, I think therefore, clocking is a slower growth business than oscillators are. So I think we will get a very good growth rate for the combined business, because as you mentioned, we are indeed in our oscillator-based business, which is most of our business today, is quite a high growth business since 24. But we think that adding the clocking business, even though it grows at a somewhat slower rate, still keeps growing at such a healthy rate that we are 25 to 30%. We're very confident on that. For the combined business, that is.

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Jim

All right. Thank you.

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Tawanda
Conference Operator

Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Sujit De Silva with Roth Capital. Your line is open.

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Sujit De Silva
Analyst, Roth Capital

Hi, Rajesh. Hi, Beth. Congratulations on this transaction. Great news. I was curious, yeah, and I read the MOU with Renesas as part of this transaction and the, I guess, the integration of the resonator into the microcontroller SOC products of Renesas. I'm curious, is that ahead of the rest of the industry or other folks? Are you working with other folks on similar efforts? Just curious, you know, how that is positioned. Yeah.

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Rajesh Vashist
Chief Executive Officer

So as you know, thank you. As you know, the Titan family of products is a breakthrough family. There isn't any other resonator in any technology at that level of quality, reliability, size, power, and use case. So many customers, many semiconductor customers, and many system customers are looking at designing it in. And as we have mentioned in the past, it's a somewhat slower design wind. particularly when it goes into somebody else's chips, right? So I think it takes a little bit longer to get the design win. Certainly, there's nothing exclusive about this, and we're talking to them, but I think that they are ahead of making this commitment, and I think this is, as you see in the remarks by their CEO, Shabata, that they are using this as a way to pivot this sale to SciTime of the timing business and the MOU as a way to pivot deeper into what they are calling their core business in embedded compute. So I think it's a win-win for both of us. And certainly as a potential customer of SciTimes, that becomes a bit of a flagship design win if and when it happens. Okay.

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Sujit De Silva
Analyst, Roth Capital

Helpful call over, Josh. And then in CED, you've talked about it a lot. you know, the usual suspects growing here, pluggables, AECs, retimers. I'm wondering if there's any other applications which are emerging in growth above and beyond those that you'd call out with the strong growth there or whether it remains those kind of the ones we kind of already know roughly.

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Rajesh Vashist
Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, so once we know there are no new categories, but there are new design ends and the density, you know, we always maintained our growth story comes from three legs. One is whatever design wins we have, the end product sells more units, right? So that's one. The second is there's an upgrade in functionality from win to win, and there's an upgrade in density of chips used in a particular functionality. So what we are experiencing now in some of these with our native clock products, is that there were design wins along with oscillators, and there were more of clocks, and then there were more clocks being used in a design win. So I think that trend continues. And finally, there's a new use case for our products that didn't exist. An example would be an L4, ADAS, or indeed even the retimers, which didn't meet our level of performance some time back.

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Sujit De Silva
Analyst, Roth Capital

Okay, great.

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Rajesh Vashist
Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Rajesh.

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Sujit De Silva
Analyst, Roth Capital

Yep.

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Tawanda
Conference Operator

Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Gary Mobley with Loop Capital. Your line is open.

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Chris Caso
Analyst

Hi, everybody. Let me say my congratulations as well. I wanted to ask about the strong growth that you're seeing and the ability to support that growth from a supply chain perspective. Are there any capacity constraints that you see now or on the horizon that are causing your ordered lead times to extend? And I guess conversely, you know, do you see a situation where some of your crystal-based competitors are struggling to fill, you know, surging demand, which seems to be industry-wide? And are you able to take advantage of that with your quick turns, you know, I guess supply chain?

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Rajesh Vashist
Chief Executive Officer

We know of no data that shows that crystal suppliers are struggling. It may be, but we don't know that. But what I can say is that just on the merits of the CyTime programmability, CyTime supply chain, the integrity of that given semiconductors, and specifically the quality and reliability of our products, CyTime is the preferred solution even when there isn't a performance requirement. In fact, we get to charge a premium on our products even when there's no performance simply based on our quality, reliability, support, programmability. We think that we don't have to rely upon anybody's struggle or weakness. We think we rely on our strength, our value proposition is strong and sustainable, and customers are recognizing that with every passing quarter, if you will. And we keep on adding to our customer base both in existing customers and existing applications, but also new applications. So we feel generally very confident in our supply chain. We had some challenges in the beginning of last year when we were trying to launch new products at the same time when demand was surging, but we've more than caught up in Q3, Q4, and we look forward with a lot of confidence to this year in terms of supply chain.

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Beth Howe
Chief Financial Officer

And I think the other thing, we continue to work very closely with our supply chain partners as we, you know, see kind of the industry evolving and are, you know, mindful of our costs and working very closely with them to ensure that we can continue to secure the supply that we need and the lines that we need. And again, watch the costs as well as we see the tightening that I think everybody is seeing.

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Chris Caso
Analyst

Thanks. As a follow-up, I wanted to ask about a few details on the acquisition or the asset carve-out. Just to confirm, this is a fabulous business model, and, you know, related, is there any foundry crossover? And I just wanted to confirm that, you know, most of the engineering team, I presume, is down the street from Sitem's headquarters, correct?

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Rajesh Vashist
Chief Executive Officer

Well, starting with the engineering team, it is located mostly in North America. There's a large group in Ottawa, which is the IDT group. Ottawa seems to have, a long time ago, ZarLink also. So there's a nice pool of people that we could hire from in analog design. The next one, as you rightly point out, is right here in South San Jose and available. And the third one, which is rather large as well, is in Tempe, Arizona, and we're looking forward to that as a new location for us. They also have some people in Shanghai, which is new, and then there's people across some parts of Asia in smaller numbers. In terms of the other question, which was around Fabless, actually, it's a really very good match. They are mostly, they are all IDT, and therefore, they are TSMC 0.18 micron, which is fantastic, since TSMC is already a great supplier to SciTime. And also, they are with global foundries in the 55 nanometer, which is great. On the backend, There's almost complete great connection with ASE and CARSIM and some of the others in Asia. So we are very confident that we can make this – the back end of the supply chain work really well. Thanks again.

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Tawanda
Conference Operator

Yep. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, I am showing no further questions in the queue. I would now like to turn the call back over to Rajesh for closing remarks.

speaker
Rajesh Vashist
Chief Executive Officer

Look, this has been a long time coming, and we've been on this path. When we raised money, many of you asked us what it's for, and we've always been very clear that our next M&A would be in timing. It would be at scale. It would be equal to or better than our gross margins. it would be equal to or better than our net profit margins, and it would not take down the growth rate of 25 to 30% that's SciTime's long-term growth model. I think we have fulfilled that on every count. And not only have we been able to get a clocking business, there couldn't be, there isn't one, there isn't a better clocking business than this in the world. The coming together of all of this by our standards, makes us a big company, but we'd still be a pretty small company in the large timing business. The timing business is $10, $11 billion, and it grows at 5% to 6% year on year. At the end of these 10 years, we'll probably be $17, $18 billion in size. And SciTime has a long way to go to get to be a large player. Coincidentally, or by design, we don't intend to be a large player. We're not a market share game. We're a value differentiation, high growth game. And so I really look forward, given our spectacular results and our outlook for 2026, plus this new acquisition, whenever it closes, to create a billion dollar company that is solely dedicated to to solving tough timing problems of our customers. Timing, as we know, is the heartbeat of all electronics, and SITEM is dedicated to it. Thank you.

speaker
Tawanda
Conference Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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