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spk05: Good day and welcome to the Steel Dynamics Third Quarter 2020 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After management's remarks, we will conduct a question and answer session, and instructions will follow at that time. Please be advised this call is being recorded today, October 20, 2020, and your participation implies consent to our recording this call. If you do not agree to these terms, please disconnect. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Tricia Myers, Investor Relations Manager. Go ahead.
spk07: Thank you, Shamali. Good morning and welcome to Steel Dynamics third quarter 2020 earnings conference call. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded and will be available on our website for replay later today. Leading today's call are Mark Millett, President and Chief Executive Officer of Steel Dynamics and Teresa Wagler, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. The other members of our senior leadership team are joining us on the call individually as we are following appropriate social distancing guidelines. Some of today's statements, which speak only as of this date, may be forward-looking and predictive, typically preceded by believe, expect, anticipate, or words of similar meaning. They are intended to be protected by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 should actual results turn out differently. Such statements involve risks and uncertainties related to our steel, metals recycling, and fabrication businesses, as well as the general business and economic conditions. Examples of these are described in the related press release as well as in our annually filed SEC Form 10-K under the headings Forward-Looking Statements and Risk Factors, found on the Internet at www.sec.gov and, if applicable, in any later SEC Form 10-Q. You will also find any reference non-GAAP financial measures reconciled to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in the press release issued yesterday entitled Steel Dynamics Reports Third Quarter 2020 Results. And now I'm pleased to turn the call over to Mark.
spk01: Thank you, Tricia. Good morning. Welcome to our third quarter 2020 earnings call. We appreciate your time and thanks for joining us today. We continue to operate safely and are still closely monitoring the COVID-19 situation. Protecting the health and welfare of our teams is our highest priority. I thank each of them for their continued diligence and commitment. I'm incredibly proud to work alongside each of them, especially during this unsettled time. They are a very special group. accomplishing extraordinary things. We are committed to them, their families, and our communities, all while supporting our suppliers and meeting the needs of our customers. But without further ado, I will hand the mic to Theresa to provide further insights into our strong third quarter performance.
spk08: Thank you, Mark. Good morning, everyone. Our third quarter 2020 net income was $100 million, or 47 cents per diluted share, above our guidance of 42 to 46 cents per share, due to stronger than anticipated flat-rolled steel shipments and metals recycling earnings. Our third quarter results were reduced by cost net of capitalized interest associated with the construction of our Sinton, Texas flat-rolled steel mill of approximately $0.04 per diluted share. Excluding these construction costs, third quarter 2020 adjusted net income was $0.51 per diluted share, also above our adjusted guidance of $0.46 to $0.50 per share. One comment before proceeding. The comparability of third quarter 2020 financial results to prior year amounts is unfavorable, but to achieve what our teams have achieved in this environment is simply incredible. And I want to add to Mark's comments and sincerely thank and congratulate them. Our third quarter 2020 revenues were $2.3 billion, 11% higher than second quarter sequential results as volumes improved across all three operating platforms. Our third quarter 2020 operating income was $156 million, fairly steady with a sequential second quarter, but 32% lower than prior year results due to lower steel prices resulting in metal spread compression. However, currently, we've experienced a very strong rebound in domestic steel demand from the second quarter sequential COVID-19-induced trough environment. Customer steel inventory levels were extremely low entering the second quarter and then were drawn down even further based on market uncertainties. From an operating platform perspective, our steel operations delivered an outstanding performance during this challenging time. Third quarter steel shipments of 2.7 million tons were 7% higher than the sequential second quarter shipment and on par with prior year's third quarter volume. Our steel mills operated at 85% of their capability, while the rest of the domestic industry operated at only 64%. Due to the momentum from our record first quarter volume, our year-to-date steel shipments are only 1% lower than in 2019. Our ability to maintain higher steel volumes is a result of our value-added, highly diversified product offerings, our supply chain differentiation, and our internal downstream manufacturing businesses. However, based on timing and the impact of flat-roll contract-related sales, our average quarterly realized steel price per ton declines sequentially, more than offsetting the benefit of lower scrap costs and higher volumes. Our average quarterly realized external steel sales price decreased $21 per ton sequentially to $734 in the third quarter. An average scrap cost only declined $7 per ton, resulting in steel metal margin compression. The result was third quarter 2020 operating income of $144 million for our steel operations, 17% lower than the sequential second quarter. As states began reopening and domestic manufacturing improved, scrap supply and collection increase. This in combination with higher domestic steel production drove significantly higher ferrous scrap volume. Our operating income from our metals recycling operations was $15 million in the third quarter of 2020, compared to a $6 million loss in the sequential second quarter. We also are benefiting from the addition of Zimmer, our newly acquired Mexican metals recycling business. The acquisition was completed in August, It's a key cog in our ongoing raw material strategy for our new Texas steel mill. Our metals recycling operations provide a competitive advantage for sourcing fair scrap for our steel mills, allowing for increased scrap quality, melt efficiency, and reduction of company-wide working capital. Our vertically connected operating model benefits both platforms. Our steel fabrication business had a record operating income of $39 million in the third quarter, compared to sequential results of $27 million. due to record shipments and margin expansion as product pricing increased while steel input costs declined. We continue to experience a strong order backlog and customers remain positive concerning our non-residential construction projects. In fact, the Steel & Joyce Institute recorded one of its strongest historical booking months this last September. Our cash generation continues to be strong based on our differentiated business model and highly variable cost structure. During the third quarter of 2020, we generated $152 million of cash flow from operations and $849 million during the first nine months of the year. We also invested $855 million in fixed assets, of which $640 million was invested in our new Texas flat-rolled steel mill. For the fourth quarter of 2020, we believe capital investments will be roughly $400 million of which our new Texas steel mill represents $360 million. We currently estimate capital investments for the full year of 2021 to be in the range of $850 million, with the Texas steel mill representing about $700 million of that amount, as their operations are still expected to begin mid-year 2021. In addition, I've been getting a lot of questions about our effective tax rate. For 2020, the effective cash tax rate will be approximately 20% for the year. However, based on credits we expect to receive due to the Sinton, Texas mill, we would expect 2020 cash taxes to only be approximately 3%. Regarding shareholder distributions, we maintained our quarterly cash dividend at 25 cents per common share after increasing at 4% in the first quarter of this year. Since 2016, we've also invested $1.3 billion in our common stock, representing over 15% of our outstanding shares, and $444 million remains authorized for repurchase at the end of the third quarter. Additionally, we opportunistically accessed the investment-grade capital markets in both June and October of this year, extending our debt maturity profile and significantly reducing our effective interest rate. We're thrilled with the differentiation our investment-grade bond investors recognize that Steel Dynamics provides in our fundamental free cash flow generation capability on a through-cycle basis. As evident, in October, we issued $350 million of 1.5% seven-year paper and $400 million of 3.25% 30-year paper, with proceeds intended to refinance our existing 2025 notes and other general corporate purposes. These actions reflect the strength of our capital foundation, consistent cash flow capability, and strong liquidity profile, demonstrating our confidence in our sustainable through cash strong generation. We entered 2020 in a position of strength with ample cash and available liquidity of $2.8 billion. And at the end of the third quarter, we maintained strong liquidity of $2.5 billion, comprised of cash of $1.3 billion and our fully available revolving unsecured credit facility of $1.2 billion. Performa, our October financing activities, our equity would have been $2.8 billion. As a reminder, you're seeing this is our performance in the current market environment, and you can't look historically at our financial performance to determine either a future trough or peak. We've grown significantly, transformed our Columbus flat roll division, further diversified our steel product offerings, and incorporated even more levers to increase our through-cycle financial performance. In addition, collectively, our primary, recent, and planned strategic growth investments provide an estimated incremental annual future EBITDA of over $425 million on a through-cycle historical spread basis. This estimate includes our Texas steel mill and third Columbus metallic coating line, as well as our two operational rebar expansions. We are simply even more agile today than ever before. We more than doubled our annual free cash flow from operations to $1.1 billion from 2015 to 2019 compared to 2010 to 2014. We are dedicated to preserving our investment grade credit rating. Our capital allocation strategy prioritizes responsible strategic growth with appropriate shareholder distribution comprised of a base positive dividend profile that is complemented with a variable share of purchase program. we are squarely positioned for the continuation of sustainable, optimized, long-term value creation. Some of you also used some more detailed information for our flat roll operations. I'll give you the third quarter shipment profile now. Our hot roll coiled shipments for the third quarter were 803,000 tons. Our cold rolled shipments were 144,000 tons. And our coated shipments were 1,013,000 tons. for a total of 1,960,000 tons. And on a personal note, I really do want to thank our teams for their passion and their generosity, and really the care they're showing for each other's health and safety. Mark?
spk01: Super. Thank you, Teresa. Thank you for clearly articulating the differentiation of STI amongst its competition. I think, you know, we've just navigated a... an incredible, incredible cycle, downturn and then recovery, and the performance that our team has turned in is just beyond words. It's humbling. And speaking of them, in the end, nothing really is more important than the safety of our team. Safety is, and always will be, our number one value. Our safety performance continues to be significantly better than industry averages, but our continued goal is to have no injuries among our people. Our safety performance has further improved from a severity perspective. However, among some of the operating platforms, our third quarter safety results were not what we would like to see for our teams. We all must be continuously aware of our surroundings and our fellow team members. I ask all of us to keep safety top of mind, to control safety. We can take charge of safety, both in the traditional sense as it relates to keeping one another in good health. Steel fabrication platform delivered a remarkable third quarter performance with record quarterly volume and earnings. Our fabrication order backlog remains strong, is higher than it was this time last year, and in fact higher than 2018. Customers remain positive concerning non-residential construction projects. We anticipate the strength remaining through the rest of this year and into 2021. For metals recycling, volumes and earnings also meaningfully improved in the third quarter. As states rescinded shelter-in-place mandates and the automotive supply chain restarted, scrap flows dramatically improved throughout the third quarter. At the same time, domestic steel production utilization increased from an average 56% to an estimated 64%, and fair scrap demand significantly improved. As flows continue to increase and steel production remains steady, We believe scrap prices should remain fairly stable through the remainder of the year, with likely seasonal price appreciation in December-January timeframe. We also welcome the Zimmer team into the steel dynamics family. The addition of this Mexican metals recycling business is a meaningful step in our raw material sourcing strategy for our Texas flat-road steel mill. The combination of Zimmer with our existing operations has already resulted in new business, and we're excited for their continued growth. The steel team continues to achieve an outstanding performance, especially considering the environment. And a sincere thank you to all involved, especially our customers for helping us achieve volumes that are only modestly less than record shipments achieved in the first quarter of this year. As a result of COVID-19 related implications, a considerable number of high cost blast furnace flat row steel operations were idled earlier this year, potentially as much as 15 million tons. Since that timeframe, as steel demand and pricing has improved, an estimated 5 to 6 million tons has been brought back online. Although some additional volume may return, we don't believe all of it will come back. The cost of restart, along with through-cycle market pricing, not supporting ongoing profitability, will likely keep significant volume curtailed, offsetting the new capacity increases to be seen over the next 24 months. While the overall domestic industry operated only 64%, the strength of our differentiated business model, coupled with the passion of our people, drove SDI steel mill production utilization to 85%. Even more remarkable, our flat-row steel mills achieved utilization of 99%. In tough environments, the strength of our people and our superior business model become even more evident. As demonstrated this year, during periods of market inflection, we maintain higher volumes compared to our steel peers and gain market share. Uninterrupted low-cost operations provide the greatest customer optionality. Our broad product portfolio and end-market diversification within value-added market niches drives flexibility for our commercial teams. Superior supply chain solutions create additional value for our customers, making us a preferred place to shop. Furthermore, A powerful driver is the optionality of internal steel sourcing from our captive manufacturing businesses, what we call pull-through volume. To put this in perspective, our steel fabrication platform and steel processing locations purchased 2.3 million tons of steel in 2019. Only about half of this volume is typically sourced from SDI-owned steel mills, but in difficult markets, we have the option to direct a higher proportion of these orders internally. As states continue to reopen to varying degrees, many steel-consuming businesses have resumed operations. At the same time, customer inventory levels have been reduced to extremely low levels. This combination of increasing demand coupled with low inventory reserves has resulted in a tight flat-row steel supply environment. As a result, lead times have stretched out and flat-row steel pricing has significantly improved. The hot roll coil CIU price index increased almost $160 per ton from the beginning of August to September and has since increased another $40 to $50 per ton. The automotive supply chain has experienced the most significant recovery, attaining production levels of either close to or in some cases more than pre-COVID levels. The construction sector remains resilient and related steel demand has been steady, as evidenced by a structural rail division volume and our record steel fabrication shipments and strong customer backlog. The order activity from our construction sector customers combined with the strength in our steel fabrication order backlog support our optimism for continued strength through the rest of this year at the end of 2021. Residential construction has also been surprisingly strong, generating high demand for HVAC and appliance products. The energy sector, though, continues to be structurally weak likely require a longer recovery period. Related to our growth, we have a summary update of recent investments in our most recent investor deck. In the last 12 to 24 months, we've executed several strategic investments that have already or will meaningfully benefit our through cycle earnings and free cash flow position. We expanded two steel mills by the combined addition of 440,000 tons of annual steel rebar production capability. providing product diversification and a differentiated customer supply chain. This end-market diversification is providing for higher through-cycle utilization for our structural and Roanoke steel divisions. To continue to expand capacity at Heartland, it is an 800,000-ton value-added flat-row steel processor. The team has been operating at record levels, providing additional internal production support and operational flexibility for our Butler flat-row divisions. increasing the utilization of our steel assets and broadening our value-added product portfolio. The acquisition of 75% of United Steel Supply has also been an excellent investment in addition to our portfolio. As a local distributor of pre-painted construction products, it has provided a meaningful channel to new, more diversified customers. United Steel Supply continues to break shipping records. Since the acquisition of our Columbus Flat Road division in 2014, we have meaningfully increased its through-cycle earnings capability. We have transformed its product portfolio with the expansion of its value-added steel capabilities and the diversification of its customer base. The team achieved another milestone in July with the startup of a new 400,000-ton value-added coating line. Columbus now has four higher-margin coating lines there. The investment both reduces Columbus's hot road coal exposure and provides a ready southern hot band consumer base for our Sinton, Texas steel mill. We remain incredibly excited about that new generation flat road steel mill. It's a significant contribution to our growth and future earnings capability. As Teresa explained, we purposefully ended 2020 from a point of financial strength. providing ample liquidity for the required investment associated with this transformational project. Our team has an incredible depth of experience in the construction, startup, and operation of large steel manufacturing assets. Collectively, we believe they have more experience than exists in any other company in our industry. The Texas team's performance and momentum continues to be absolutely remarkable. Construction is going extremely well and still on track for a mid-year 2021 start date. We are having frequent conversations with the equipment suppliers regarding the impact of COVID-19 and currently don't believe our planned schedule has been meaningfully impacted. A new state-of-the-art 3 million ton steel mill will include two value-added coating lines comprised of 550,000 tons of galvanizing and 250,000 tons of prepaint. It will follow the same stringent sustainability model as our other steelmaking facilities, with state-of-the-art environmental controls and processes. Our existing steel mills have a fraction of the greenhouse gas emission and energy intensity of average traditional steelmaking technology. With an 84-inch coil width and up to 1-inch thick 100 KSI product, the Texas mill will have capabilities beyond existing electric arc furnace producers competing even more effectively with the integrated steel model and foreign competition. The steel mill is strategically located in Sinton, Texas, near Corpus Christi. We have three targeted regional sales markets for the Sinton's mill, representing over 27 million tons of relevant flat-roll steel consumption in the southern and west coast United States and Mexico. We also plan to effectively compete with the heavy imports in Houston and the west coast. Our customers are excited to have a regional flat-roll steel supplier. We now have three customers committed to locate onsite, representing between 800,000 and a million tons of annual processing and consumption capacity. We're still speaking with several other interested parties. The Sinton location provides a significant freight benefit to most of our intended customers relative to their current supply chain options. This freight advantage, coupled with much shorter lead times, provides a superior customer supply chain, allowing us to be the preferred domestic steel supplier in the South and Western US. It also allows us to effectively compete with imports, which inherently have long lead times and speculative price risk. We've also made considerable progress concerning our raw material strategy for Synton. As I mentioned, we completed the acquisition of a Mexican scrap company in August. This is a critical step in our strategy. The acquisition complements our current metals recycling business in both the U.S. and Mexico, and Zimmer's operations are strategically located near high-volume industrial scrap sources throughout central and northern Mexico. Prior to our ownership, they shipped approximately 500,000 gross tons of scrap annually, but they have an estimated annual processing capability of almost 2 million gross tons a year. We plan to ramp up that volume quickly. We believe our performance-based operating culture, coupled with our considerable experience in successfully constructing and operating highly profitable steel mills, positions us incredibly well to successfully execute the Transnational Texas Growth Investment. We are not simply adding flat-row production capacity. We have a differentiated product offering, a unique regional supply chain solution, a significant geographic freight and lead time advantage, and offer an important import alternatives to a region in need of options. A unique culture and the execution of a long-term strategy continues to strengthen our financial position through consistent, strong cash flow generation and long-term value creation, clearly differentiating us from our competition and demonstrating our sustainability. This has clearly been demonstrated during the past two quarters. Again, our commitment is to the health and safety of our people our families, and our communities, all while supporting our vendors, serving our customers, and sustaining our value creation journey. Our team is extraordinary, and we'd like to thank each of them for their patience, resilience, and commitment during these uncharted times. They have an indomitable spirit that drives us to excellence. Additionally, a sincere and heartfelt thank you to the healthcare providers and their families within Steele NanoX and those serving individuals across the world. Thank you, be safe, be well. So, Shamali, please open the call for questions. Thank you.
spk05: Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, please signal by pressing the star key followed by the digit 1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. If you pressed star 1 earlier during today's call, please press star 1 again to ensure our equipment has capturing your signal. Also, we ask that you please limit yourselves to one question to facilitate time for everyone. Any additional questions can be addressed upon re-entering the queue. And our first question is from Seth Rosenfeld with Exambian BMP Paris. Please proceed with your question. Good morning. Thank you for taking our questions today. If I can kick off, please, just with a question on kind of the near to medium-term outlook for demand. In your prepared remarks, you presented quite an optimistic outlook on steel demand, highlighting both autos and construction. Can you just speak with regard to the outlook for Q4? How should we expect the trade-off between the kind of post-COVID real demand recovery, which is just offset by normal seasonality that we've seen in years past? What should we expect for shipments in your mills and fab businesses over that time period? And then just to follow up on that, with regards to construction in particular, your comments with regards to the backlog in particular can be much more positive than we heard last week from one of your peers. Can you speak a bit about the regions or maybe the private versus public sector mix that's contributing to that optimism? Thank you.
spk01: Billy, I would caveat my comments that, as I've said in the past, you can – I think always clearly see what's happening in the marketplace through one's order book. And I think our order books across our space are in pretty good shape. But generally, obviously, flat road demand has got incredibly strong momentum. There's a robust market recovery there. Inventories are at almost historically low levels. We have low import activity. you know, there's a, although it's diminishing, the arbitrage is still somewhat unattractive. So the supply side is very, very tight. Lead times, as you see, are extending. Mills are, some mills anyway, have late deliveries. All in all, surviving market pricing up significantly, quite healthily. That being said, obviously, our third quarter results were impacted by sort of contract pricing lag, and that will revert, obviously, in Q4. But just specifically to the market types, in automotive, the U.S. producers have, I think, achieved their anticipated 90% run rate, pre-COVID run rates. And I would say that the European producers actually are exceeding that. They're more than 100% of pre-COVID for sure. And that's being supported obviously by low inventory levels in the dealerships. Dealerships that I talk to are struggling to get product. And I think if you look at just the automotive market in general, it supports that. Used car prices are extremely high today. And interestingly, that's having an impact on the scrap market because the pick-apart guys are keeping their cars longer, and it's giving a little tightness to the scrap supply. But nonetheless, it's a good market environment, and we believe that's going to continue. The low interest rate environment is obviously a positive. as are low gas prices. I saw just yesterday our gas prices dropped to $1.95, and so that tends to help certainly the truck sales. And I think generally that's going to continue. You know, the sort of urban desertion, people moving out of the cities, You know, ride-sharing and Ubers and Lyfts are not necessarily as available. And people are needing cars. And I think automotive will remain strong. It's not just a sort of a two-month, three-month replenishment of inventory. In that environment, we've been fortunate. We've been gaining market share. And I think both in Flatwell and in SPQ. Just generally, manufacturing is strong. We see residential construction incredibly strong. And I think that's having an impact both new construction and HVAC and appliance and garage door products, but also kind of the do-it-yourself renovation projects. There's been a change, I think, in consumer spending. People are not going out as much. They see themselves not going on vacations. And so they are actually, I think, spending that cash closer to home. And I think that's a positive going into next year for sure. Energy, you know, low gas prices, low energy prices, global demand is there. So I think that's going to be weak for some time to come. A very, very strong positive is non-residential construction. It's been, in all honesty, incredibly resilient. We see that in sort of heavy structural products. Demand, fabricators are busy. Service centers, processors are buying stock off our floor. And so I think there's generally low inventory through the supply chain there. And if you look at the Steel Joist Institute information, I think it's incredibly persuasive. In September, Steel Joist Institute bookings were its third highest month in history. Bookings are about 10% year over year. And it's largely driven by warehouse expansion. And you keep seeing the e-commerce increasing. E-commerce in The first quarter is about 11%. The last quarter is about 16%. So the Amazons of the world, the distribution channel is going to remain strong. I think just yesterday on Bloomberg, you saw Amazon reporting that they're going to be constructing about 1,000 warehouses in the next year or two. So that business is going to be incredibly, incredibly positive going forward. And that that's translating into sort of a record backlog for new millennium. And it's all obviously colliding into a strong building products on the flat roll side of our business. Uh, you know, H H V H V a C pre paint is very, very strong. So, so I think generally it's, it's a very, very positive environment. Uh, we're very bullish, um, Again, you can't tell what may happen as the pandemic continues to unravel. But through our eyes, through our order book today, is an incredibly solid, positive upward momentum.
spk08: So Seth, your other questions related to the mix between private and public sector on the construction side, I would tell you that it's very heavily weighted at this point to private sector. Hopefully, if maybe some things happen in Washington, it could get more to the public sector eventually, but we're not seeing that at this point, to Mark's earlier comments. And from a seasonality perspective, as it relates to volumes, we did come off record volumes for the fabrication. I'm not sure that that will stay as strong, but we'd expect to see very strong shipments heading into the fourth quarter. And the split on the steel side, you really, I think, need to look at a split between long products and flat products. It's our estimation that given the strong demand that is existing today for the flat roll products, I doubt you're going to see a lot of seasonality, or at least much less than you would see typically. With the long products, you're likely to see some. But again, I think coming off of the very weak second quarter, we would expect to see some momentum carry into the fourth quarter environment and mute that seasonality impact.
spk05: That's great. Thank you both very much.
spk08: Thanks, Seth.
spk05: Our next question is from Chris Terry with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.
spk02: Hi, Mark and Teresa. Quick question for me. Utilization rates are about 20% above the industry. I think you said you had market share gains in autos. Just wondered if you could elaborate on either a product basis or in markets where you're getting those market gains from. Thanks.
spk01: I think from an automotive perspective, the fact that we remain running gave customer base optionality and just availability of product for one thing. But secondly, the whole ESG sustainability story, I think, is playing incredibly well for us and for electric electronics producers. particularly with the Europeans, in all honesty. And as they see their North American options, the fact that we have a wonderful sort of recycling ESG story is helping us there. So I think in the market share, Automotive is strong. Also, SBQ in order. Obviously, we constructed and ramped up the smaller diameter mill there some years ago. We're seeing some positive market share gains there as well.
spk08: And I guess the other component I would add is that with the advent of having reinforcing bar as a product set, as we enter the market, we've been seeing some positive momentum from that as well.
spk03: Thank you. That's it for me.
spk08: Thanks, Chris.
spk05: Our next question is from Tim the Tanners with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.
spk06: Hey, good morning, guys. Good morning. I wanted to dive in a little bit more, if you could, on the recycling and fabricated. I think my question was maybe answered a bit, but just those were really strong rebounds. sequentially and even strong from a trend basis. So I was hoping that you could tell us how sustainable those might be. And FAB may have had a bit of margin expansion on the low steel price. Maybe that reverses. But just in general terms, is that a good new run rate or what to think about going forward in those areas?
spk01: Well, certainly for scrap, Tim, we would see that going forward. Obviously in that business, it's kind of an inventory flow. You buy one month and you sell the next month. So when you have a stable pricing environment, one tends to do a lot better as opposed to the periods where you just see progressive downward pricing trends month over month. And obviously volume played a big role in recycling.
spk08: Yeah, from a recycling perspective, I'd say that. Remember, we did close on the Mexican scrap company in the first part of August, which was actually very beneficial. We find that the Mexican market is a little bit different than the domestic market, so it might be a natural hedge going forward as well. In addition to that, to Mark's point, if domestic steel production stays very strong, which we expect it to stay strong in the fourth quarter, You're going to see that volume come to melt recycling arena. So we would expect it to be very steady. It's not improving. And I think for the fabrication, you really kind of hit it a bit in that With the low raw material input cost it had, it really did benefit from where the steel mills sort of suffered in the second quarter. So you will see that sustainable for a little while. But as steel prices continue to increase, it's not likely that you're going to get a dollar-for-dollar margin expansion in fabrication. But we do expect to see still very strong volumes and good results.
spk06: Gotcha. Okay, thanks. And then my second question was if you could just discuss a little bit more the outlook for CAPEX. There's a couple things I wanted to follow up on. So one is that you talk about a little higher number than you'd said in the past. I believe the 850 compares to $750 million in the last quarter. So is that just kind of a drag from this year, maybe a little lighter spending, next year catching up? And how do we think about further capital allocation beyond, if you could start to give us some thoughts on what you're looking out at?
spk08: From the CapEx, perspective, it's not more capital, Timna, but to your comment, it's actually a transfer. So we're expecting to probably spend about $100 million less than 2020 as it relates to the sentinel. It's just hard to project. It's when equipment arrives, et cetera. Nothing is delaying the project. It's just we believe that probably about $100 million will shift from the fourth quarter. into 2021. So that's why 2021 total capital estimate today is eight 50 versus a seven 50. It's simply related to, um, timing. Mark, did you want to talk about the capital allocation or.
spk01: Well, I think, uh, Tim, uh, you know, our strategy is not, uh, is not going to change. We've always been somewhat conservative, uh, relative to the balance sheet and liquidity. Um, You know, we still remain very comfortable with our dividend profile. It's very manageable through cycle. It will remain intact. And, you know, during periods of excess cash flow, we'll continue to share repurchase program to complement that dividend policy. Right now, we see, you know, immediate strength and momentum in the markets, and I think things are good. But we'd like to see how things unravel for the next three, four months before we initiate any repurchase program.
spk08: I would just add to that as a quick reminder that our sustaining capital is only $150 million per year. So as we get on the other side of the Texas steel mill, there'll be considerable cash generation, which we can use, to Mark's point, for continued growth of organic and inorganic. Thanks, guys. Thank you.
spk05: And our next question is from Andreas Bokenhuser with UBS. Please proceed with your question.
spk00: Thank you very much. Just a follow-up question for me. I mean, you obviously mentioned the Texas mill, and you've talked about it before in terms of where you intend to kind of capture market share. But particularly now with a lot of integrated capacity down, and to your point, Mark, you know, You guys don't expect all of it to come back. Are there any particular products where you see the new Texas mill basically capturing market share, namely on the auto side? You know, products that you weren't able to produce before, but you will be able to produce with the new mills. Will you effectively continue that market share capturing trend, if you will?
spk01: I think we can go on a market share trend on several different fronts. Obviously, just pure economics, the geographic location of that facility and freight savings to the customer will be very, very persuasive, number one. Number two, we will be able to be a very strong option for imports that flow through Houston. So just general economics or pricing or value to the customer will be massive. And again, we see a 27 million ton market between Southwest, the West Coast import market, and Mexico. But also, the technology is going to allow us to produce combinations of grade, strength, and dimensional characteristics that are totally unavailable today in the U.S. It's an 84-inch mill. Although, let me rephrase that. It's going to make a real 84-inch wide coil. You know, the current 84-inch mills in the U.S. are just the width of the roll itself and so cannot make an 84-inch true width. And you need an 84-inch width to get into a 26-inch diameter pipe. And so that is a... a very differentiating commodity, particularly when you can go to one-inch thick 100 KSI steels. The technology, as we've said in past calls, it's a thicker slab, so it's going to allow a much superior surface condition. And if there was a technology, a minimal technology to get into exposed automotive, this would be it. We're not advertising that, but certainly would hope we get there one day. But higher toughness, higher strength deals will certainly differentiate the product portfolio compared to what's available in the States today.
spk08: I think from an end market perspective, what you'll see is that this will take market share along the lines, especially because we're starting with a paint line and a galvanizing metal coating line. will be in the appliance arena, especially in Mexico, automotive in Mexico, HVAC, metal buildings will be a big focus point as well. And obviously when the energy market comes back, we'll be right in the middle of that arena.
spk00: That's very clear. And in terms of sourcing raw materials, I mean, obviously you've got pig iron coming in and you have scrap from Mexico and so on. Any thoughts on HPI? I mean, we're obviously seeing some HPI capacity coming online in the U.S., Sometimes some of it might obviously be spoken for, but any forms of HPI that's not going to be part of your product makes it a greater deal going forward.
spk01: Well, we would contemplate all raw materials in all honesty. I think you have obviously Nucor has been ramping up and is doing well now there. Yeah, Cliffs will be starting their facility. That likely would be ineffective from a freight perspective to go all the way down into Sinton, but certainly will find its way into the Midwest market and, you know, just by association there, help the raw material pricing environment. Vost has a DRI or HBI facility in Corpus Christi And I would imagine the Simpson Mill would be a natural home for some of that material. And so if the value is right, we would be consuming some of that material.
spk00: That is very clear. Thank you very much for taking my questions.
spk05: Thank you. And again, as a reminder, if anyone has any questions, you may press star 1 on your telephone keypad going to the question queue. Our next question is from Chris Golan with Tier 4.
spk03: Please proceed with your question. Chris? Hello, Chris. Yep, sorry about that.
spk04: Hey, I wanted to first see if I can get a clarification. Teresa, did you say the cash tax three percent for 2021 and then I guess I had a mini follow-up question regarding this whole market share issue I guess my question is there was some outages I guess unplanned if you will at some of the steel assets or coating lines for your competitors and I guess I wanted to make sure there wasn't some type of volume or mixed benefit in the quarter that potentially goes away or we need to think about going forward. Thanks.
spk08: I'll answer the first question, Chris. Yes, our cash, our effective cash tax rate for 2021 is likely to only be around 3%. And that's just reflective of state taxes. Because at least currently with the tax code, with sitting actually starting in 2021, we're able to, from a tax perspective, Take the immediate depreciation impact for that and it's quite significant, so we would expect that to take care of all the cash requirements from a federal basis for 2021 and likely that would roll into having some protection into 2022 as well, we just don't have that estimate at this point.
spk01: Yes, and regarding demand, yes, there's some shifting of products here and there between the different players. But the market strength and our results, it's just the underlying demand profile there, which is going to remain in place for some time to come.
spk03: That concludes our question and answer session.
spk05: I'd like to turn the call back over to Mr. Millett for any closing remarks.
spk01: Thank you. And for those remaining on the call, seriously, thank you for your support and your time today to listen to our perspectives. To the customers that may be listening, a sincere thank you on my behalf and on the behalf of every one of the 9,000 SDI employees and their families. You helped us through a challenging time. and we will hopefully continue to earn your business. And to all our team members on the call, again, one shout-out regarding safety. Please double down on safety. It wasn't a disastrous quarter in any respect. Severity continues to improve, but nonetheless, we need to continue our improving trend there. And just thank you for your passion, your commitment through this challenging quarter. It's been a crazy time, but you folks have come through as always shining like superstars. So thank you. You guys be safe. Have a great day. Bye-bye.
spk05: Once again, ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation and have a great and safe
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