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spk12: Greetings, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Star Equity Holdings Incorporated first quarter 2023 results conference call. Please be advised that the discussions on today's call may include forward-looking statements. Such forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in the forward-looking statements. Please refer to Star Equity's most recent 10-K and 10-Q filings for a more complete description of risk factors that could affect these projections and assumptions. The company assumes no obligation to update forward-looking statements as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. Please also note that on this call, management will reference non-GAAP financial measures including EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income, and adjusted earnings per share, which are all financial measures not recognized under U.S. GAAP. As required by SEC rules and regulations, these non-GAAP financial measures are reconciled to their most comparable GAAP financial measures in our earnings release issued this morning. If you did not receive a copy of the earnings release and would like one after the call, please contact Star Equity at 203-489-9500 or its Investor Relations Representative, Lena Caddy, of the Equity Group at 212-836-9500. Also, this call is being broadcast live over the Internet and may be accessed at Star Equity's website via www.starequity.com. Please note, this event is being recorded. Shortly after the call, a replay will also be available on the company's website. It is now my pleasure to introduce Rick Coleman, Chief Executive Officer of Star Equity. Please go ahead.
spk07: Thank you, Gary. Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for our first quarter 2023 conference call. On the call with me today are Executive Chairman Jeff Eberwine and Chief Financial Officer Dave Noble. It's a pleasure to update you on our first quarter results and to report strong overall performance. In our healthcare division, I'm especially proud of the team effort that began with the reinvigoration of our business in early 2022 and culminated in the sale we completed on May 4th. This has been a transformational quarter and has positioned us well for the future. Our operating plan assumed a strong start to 2023 and I'm pleased to report that our teams exceeded those expectations. We achieved first quarter adjusted EBITDA of $1.7 million versus 0.1 million in the first quarter of last year, primarily due to continued strong top and bottom line growth at our construction division. This exceptional improvement was driven by better operational efficiency, as well as disciplined pricing and expense control. Although healthcare division revenue was roughly flat versus the prior year quarter, gross margin improved by 1.2 percentage points to 24.9%, again, reflecting our focus on higher margin products and services stemming from our 2022 reorganization. With the sale of DigiRAD Health, we've significantly strengthened our balance sheet and are well positioned to pursue accretive acquisitions as well as other strategic opportunities. I'll first focus on our healthcare division. In the first quarter, our healthcare division revenue decreased by 0.4% versus the prior year quarter. Discontinuing unprofitable services and initiatives and focusing on higher profitability business helps drive 4.8% higher gross profit. Our healthcare division was able to deliver these strong results despite the continuing labor market headwinds. On behalf of the Star Equity Management Team, I thank all DigiRAD employees for their contributions over the years and wish them the best under TTG's leadership. We believe the scale and synergies created from this partnership will result in a stronger, more valuable business, and we're excited to continue as equity partners. Let me next touch on the results of our construction division. Q1 construction revenue increased 6.1% to $12.3 million versus 11.6 million in Q1 of 2022. And gross margin percentage was 35.1% versus 13.6% in the same period last year. Increased output was the primary driver for the revenue improvements at both our Edge Builder and KBS businesses. The increase in gross margin percentage was due to better pricing management relative to changing input costs, as well as better risk management around building materials price volatility. Despite macroeconomic uncertainty across the construction space at large, we're a relatively small specialized player with a unique position in the markets we serve. KBS, in particular, is experiencing continued growth in the areas of workforce and affordable housing, educational dormitories and school buildings, and environmentally sustainable housing. Both of our construction businesses have a robust pipeline heading into the summer, and we're working on some exciting new business initiatives that we expect will continue to fuel our future growth. Now I'll turn the call over to Dave Noble, our CFO, to provide additional first quarter consolidated financial highlights. Dave, go ahead.
spk15: Thank you, Rick, and good morning. Let's now turn to Star Equity's consolidated financial results. In Q1 of 2023, S&A decreased by 5% versus Q1 of 2022. SG&A as a percentage of revenue just decreased meaningfully in Q1 to 25.0% versus 27.1% in Q1 of 2022. This demonstrates both effective cost control and good operating leverage embedded in our businesses, particularly on the construction side. Moving on to the bottom line results for Star Equity, we generated a positive net income of $0.4 million in Q1 compared to a net loss of $3.7 million in Q1 of 2022. Non-GAAP adjusted net income from continuing operations in Q1 was a positive 0.9 million. This also compares favorably to an adjusted net loss of 0.7 million in Q1 of 2022. Non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA increased to 1.7 million in Q1 from just 0.1 million in Q1 of 2022. The substantial improvement in consolidated adjusted EBITDA was driven primarily by our continued bottom line focused turnaround at our construction division. particularly at KBS, where it began to materialize in mid-2022. Construction non-gap adjusted EBITDA extended its upward trend, generating $2.2 million in Q1 this year, up from $0.4 million in Q1 of 2022. Consolidating operating cash flow for Q1 was a positive $5.1 million versus a negative $0.6 million in Q1 of 2022. Q1 Strong positive operating cash flow was driven by both the strong performance and also monetization of the AR buildup we experienced in Q4 of 2022 at our construction division. As of March 31, 2023, our consolidated balance sheet and liquidity were strong. The outstanding balance in our interest-bearing credit facilities was $8.4 million, while our cash balance stood at $5.7 million, leaving us with an overall net debt position of just $2.7 million. Along with the filing of our 10Q this morning, we also disclosed that following the sale of our healthcare division on May 4th, we have paid off the entirety of our outstanding interest-bearing debt. This debt was in the form of a revolver with Webster Bank and two revolvers and a term loan with eCapital. We are now 100% debt-free. Our pro forma financial statements filed via 8KA last week disclosed our pro forma cash balance at $23.1 million. I would also like to note that the company was able to use its accumulated net operating losses to completely offset federal gains associated with the substantial gain on sale that we realized with the sale of DigiRed Health on May 4th.
spk14: Now I'd like to turn the call back over to Rick for some additional remarks.
spk07: Thanks, Dave. The Digirad sale was certainly a major change to our business. Our team had been working diligently towards closing this deal for several months, but I don't want to overlook the exceptional work that's been done in both our construction businesses. Strong leadership along with disciplined planning and execution give us confidence in the potential for continued strong performance and growth. In the coming weeks, the Star Equity Board and management team will continue to assess and prioritize the elements of our growth strategy. These could be acquisitions, including construction bolt-ons or entries into new business sectors, as well as thoughtfully expanding activity at our investments division. We plan to provide shareholders updates on these and other initiatives as they occur. I'll now turn the call over to the operator for questions.
spk12: We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
spk08: Our first question is from Theodore O'Neill with Litchfield Hills Research.
spk12: Please go ahead.
spk05: Thank you. Congratulations on the good quarter and the sale of the healthcare division. My first question here is about KBS. So I have seen that you've had a lot of success here making buildings for asylum seekers and emergency shelters and supporting buildings. And that looks like a sort of a universal problem that the states are having right now. Can you comment on the outlook in that area?
spk07: Yeah, let me just say that there are a number of sectors that I would consider very specialized. Those are a couple of them. But as I mentioned, we're getting a reputation primarily through word of mouth among educational institutions, local governments who have short-term needs for different types of affordable and workforce housing and things like that. So we've got a growing strength and a growing reputation for quality and flexibility. So we feel like we've done a pretty good job of strengthening the business and positioning it for growth.
spk05: Okay. And can you comment on any sort of acquisition opportunity in the construction business? Because it seems to me the last time we had a rising interest rate environment, there were plenty of struggling construction companies on the verge of going under. Are you seeing that yet or is it too soon?
spk07: I think it's too soon to see a lot of them that are struggling, but it's a pretty fragmented industry still. There are a number of family-owned businesses and specialized companies that build everything from trusses to windows and cabinets and things of that nature. All of those are good potential business partners for us and are part of our input stream today but could become part of our business in the future.
spk04: Okay, thanks very much.
spk12: Again, if you have a question, please press star, then one. The next question is from Tate Sullivan with the Maxim Group. Please go ahead.
spk17: Thank you. And on the sale of DigiDraft, I think you mentioned a couple or at least two months working on the sale, maybe longer. Can you talk about the conditions in the medical imaging industry in general that led to the timing of the sale, and was this a particularly high point in terms of valuations, if you can comment on that?
spk07: I'll say that, first of all, thank you for the question. Our 2022 operating plan did not take into account any thought that we were planning to sell the healthcare division. So we had a number of initiatives underway to strengthen it, and we were working hard towards growing the business and doing the things that we would do as a continued owner. We were approached during the year and began planning discussions about the possibility of selling the business. The more we looked at it, the more we realized the benefits of scale and the opportunities available to us at the sale price. So we moved forward from that position. It took a little bit longer than we expected, to be honest, but we're very pleased with the result.
spk17: And then in terms of retaining some of the interest in the combined company, I believe it's TTS. How will you account for that? Will it be equity and investment? And is there any history of TTS giving dividends or what might that look like, your retained interest in the combined company?
spk06: Dave, do you want to address that one? Yeah.
spk15: The retained interest will be in the sort of 5% to 6% range. We don't anticipate any distributions. The Acquire is a private equity company who combined Digirad with an existing platform company that they had and, you know, combined companies called TTG. So, you know, I would expect over the next few years they will, you know, grow this company and then attempt to sell it.
spk02: But this is Jeff Tate. So our plan right now is to account for it under the cost method. So the equity interest and the note would just sit on our balance sheet, and we'd recognize the interest income as it comes in. And I would just add further that this business was a similar business to DigiRad. The two companies did business together for a long time. DigiRad was a supplier to TTG. And so they fit together really well, and there's a lot of synergies with putting the two together, which, uh, made us, um, happy to retain a stake. And, uh, this is all what the PE firm took this position in TTG in the late 2021. And they would say a typical holding period for something in their portfolio is plus or minus five years. And so, um, if you do the math on that, you know, we'll probably hold this position, um, for a few years, and then ultimately there'll be a sale because that's what private equity firms do. And at that point, our debt would be paid back and our equity would be monetized. And it's very pursue with the PE firm, which is another thing we liked about the structure of the deal.
spk17: Thank you, Jeff. And a follow-up, if I may, I noticed I'm a pro forma financial statements The implied overhead for DigiRAD is about $13 million, if I'm looking at it correctly, in terms of the transaction adjustments. Will it take some time? Does that go away right away in terms of overhead? Or will it take time to separate out your overhead that you can attribute to DigiRAD? Or how might that work in terms of forecasting out overhead expenses?
spk13: Yeah, I don't know. This is Jeff.
spk02: And I don't know the exact number, but every single employee of DigiRAD went with the transaction. So I think it should be pretty... immediate. There's a transition services agreement. We're still going to be helping them with some things. They're going to be helping us with some things. It's not 100% separated, but it'll be minimal noise in the financials, I think, especially after we get past Q2. Q2 will be messy because we own the business for something like five weeks and that'll show up as discontinued operations.
spk17: Sorry, one more. If I may, for construction, I mean, two quarters in a row, gross profit margins, I mean, 31% for Q22 and another good quarter this quarter. In terms of construction gross profit margins, I mean, is that a benefit of the previous hedging strategy on lumber, or does this reflect your current pricing, your pricing that might go forward? How should we look at margins in construction? for the remainder of the year?
spk15: Yeah, well, I'll speak first. So, you know, it really is a fundamental change in that business in the sense that we've dramatically increased pricing and probably tiered up in terms of the type of projects that we're pursuing. So I can't promise you're going to see 35% every quarter. But, you know, the hedging definitely helps. We only hedge actually at the edge builder side of the business. That's about half of the business. We don't hedge at KBS for a number of reasons, but, you know, lumber, the hedgeable part of our inputs is only a smaller piece of what we purchase to build modules at KBS, so hedging is not the best strategy. But I'd say it's really just cost control, and also you've seen lumber prices have generally declined in the last six months while we are able to maintain our higher pricing levels. So I'd just say better business management all around.
spk02: This is Jeff. I would add, too, that we've purposely, and this is the investment we've made in the sales teams. We have been investing more in sales and marketing at both the construction businesses, and we're finding new verticals to get into. And if you think about the construction market, it's a really big market. We're a teeny, tiny niche player. We've definitely seen softness on the residential side, but that's become a much smaller percentage of our total. And things like the education vertical, you know, is not something we've done before. We got the project last year to build the four dormitories for the college in New England, $9 million project, that really put us on the map in the education space. It's so helpful to have that first project done. It was on time and on budget. The client's very happy. They're a positive reference for us. People can go and visit the final product and see what it looks like. And that was helpful in getting this recent one that we announced, the $2 million project in Vermont. And there could be more things like that, whether it's the education vertical or even other verticals. So somebody's always building something somewhere, and our team has done a much better job of finding people the best projects in getting us positioned to participate.
spk08: Thank you all.
spk12: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Rick Coleman for any closing remarks.
spk07: Thanks, Gary. Before concluding the call, I just want to note that we're always available to take your call and to discuss any questions you might have. Please don't hesitate to contact us. We'll continue to share our story with existing and potential investors in the coming weeks and months. And as always, we appreciate all of our shareholders and your continued feedback and support. Thank you.
spk12: The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect. Music Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Greetings, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Star Equity Holdings Incorporated first quarter 2023 results conference call. Please be advised that the discussions on today's call may include forward-looking statements. Such forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in the forward-looking statements. Please refer to Star Equity's most recent 10-K and 10-Q filings for a more complete description of risk factors that could affect these projections and assumptions. The company assumes no obligation to update forward-looking statements as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. Please also note that on this call, management will reference non-GAAP financial measures including EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income, and adjusted earnings per share, which are all financial measures not recognized under US GAAP. As required by SEC rules and regulations, these non-GAAP financial measures are reconciled to their most comparable GAAP financial measures in our earnings release issued this morning. If you did not receive a copy of the earnings release and would like one after the call, please contact Star Equity at 203-489-9500 or its Investor Relations Representative, Lena Caddy, of the Equity Group at 212-836-9500. Also, this call is being broadcast live over the Internet and may be accessed at Star Equity's website via www.starequity.com. Please note, this event is being recorded. Shortly after the call, a replay will also be available on the company's website. It is now my pleasure to introduce Rick Coleman, Chief Executive Officer of Star Equity. Please go ahead.
spk07: Thank you, Gary. Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for our first quarter 2023 conference call. On the call with me today are Executive Chairman Jeff Eberwine and Chief Financial Officer Dave Noble. It's a pleasure to update you on our first quarter results and report strong overall performance. In our healthcare division, I'm especially proud of the team effort that began with the reinvigoration of our business in early 2022 and culminated in the sale we completed on May 4th. This has been a transformational quarter and has positioned us well for the future. Our operating plan assumed a strong start to 2023 and I'm pleased to report that our teams exceeded those expectations. We achieved first quarter adjusted EBITDA of $1.7 million versus 0.1 million in the first quarter of last year, primarily due to continued strong top and bottom line growth at our construction division. This exceptional improvement was driven by better operational efficiency, as well as disciplined pricing and expense control. Although healthcare division revenue was roughly flat versus the prior year quarter, gross margin improved by 1.2 percentage points to 24.9%, again, reflecting our focus on higher margin products and services stemming from our 2022 reorganization. With the sale of DigiRAD Health, we've significantly strengthened our balance sheet and are well positioned to pursue accretive acquisitions as well as other strategic opportunities. I'll first focus on our healthcare division. In the first quarter, our healthcare division revenue decreased by 0.4% versus the prior year quarter. Discontinuing unprofitable services and initiatives and focusing on higher profitability business helps drive 4.8% higher gross profit. Our healthcare division was able to deliver these strong results despite the continuing labor market headwinds. On behalf of the STAR Equity Management Team, I thank all DigiRAD employees for their contributions over the years and wish them the best under TTG's leadership. We believe the scale and synergies created from this partnership will result in a stronger, more valuable business, and we're excited to continue as equity partners. Let me next touch on the results of our construction division. Q1 construction revenue increased 6.1% to $12.3 million versus 11.6 million in Q1 of 2022. And gross margin percentage was 35.1% versus 13.6% in the same period last year. Increased output was the primary driver for the revenue improvements at both our Edge Builder and KBS businesses. The increase in gross margin percentage was due to better pricing management relative to changing input costs, as well as better risk management around building materials price volatility. Despite macroeconomic uncertainty across the construction space at large, we're a relatively small specialized player with a unique position in the markets we serve. KBS in particular is experiencing continued growth in the areas of workforce and affordable housing, educational dormitories and school buildings, and environmentally sustainable housing. Both of our construction businesses have a robust pipeline heading into the summer, and we're working on some exciting new business initiatives that we expect will continue to fuel our future growth. Now I'll turn the call over to Dave Noble, our CFO, to provide additional first quarter consolidated financial highlights. Dave, go ahead.
spk15: Thank you, Rick, and good morning. Let's now turn to Star Equity's consolidated financial results. In Q1 of 2023, S&A decreased by 5% versus Q1 of 2022. SG&A as a percentage of revenue just decreased meaningfully in Q1 to 25.0% versus 27.1% in Q1 of 2022. This demonstrates both effective cost control and good operating leverage embedded in our businesses, particularly on the construction side. Moving on to the bottom line results for Star Equity, we generated a positive net income of 0.4 million in Q1 compared to a net loss of 3.7 million in Q1 of 2022. Non-GAAP adjusted net income from continuing operations in Q1 was a positive 0.9 million. This also compares favorably to an adjusted net loss of 0.7 million in Q1 of 2022. Non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA increased to 1.7 million in Q1 from just 0.1 million in Q1 of 2022. The substantial improvement in consolidated adjusted EBITDA was driven primarily by our continued bottom line focused turnaround at our construction division. particularly at KBS, where it began to materialize in mid-2022. Construction non-gap adjusted EBITDA extended its upward trend, generating $2.2 million in Q1 this year, up from $0.4 million in Q1 of 2022. Consolidating operating cash flow for Q1 was a positive $5.1 million versus a negative $0.6 million in Q1 of 2022. Q1 2021 Strong positive operating cash flow was driven by both the strong performance and also monetization of the AR buildup we experienced in Q4 of 2022 at our construction division. As of March 31, 2023, our consolidated balance sheet and liquidity were strong. The outstanding balance in our interest-bearing credit facilities was $8.4 million, while our cash balance stood at $5.7 million, leaving us with an overall net debt position of just $2.7 million. Along with the filing of our 10Q this morning, we also disclosed that following the sale of our healthcare division on May 4th, we have paid off the entirety of our outstanding interest-bearing debt. This debt was in the form of a revolver with Webster Bank and two revolvers and a term loan with eCapital. We are now 100% debt-free. Our pro forma financial statements filed via 8KA last week disclosed our pro forma cash balance at $23.1 million. I would also like to note that the company was able to use its accumulated net operating losses to completely offset federal gains associated with the substantial gain on sale that we realized with the sale of DigiRed Health on May 4th.
spk14: Now I'd like to turn the call back over to Rick for some additional remarks.
spk07: Thanks, Dave. The Digirad sale was certainly a major change to our business. Our team had been working diligently towards closing this deal for several months, but I don't want to overlook the exceptional work that's been done in both our construction businesses. Strong leadership along with disciplined planning and execution give us confidence in the potential for continued strong performance and growth. In the coming weeks, the Star Equity Board and management team will continue to assess and prioritize the elements of our growth strategy. These could be acquisitions, including construction bolt-ons or entries into new business sectors, as well as thoughtfully expanding activity at our investments division. We plan to provide shareholders updates on these and other initiatives as they occur. I'll now turn the call over to the operator for questions.
spk12: We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star, then 2. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
spk08: Our first question is from Theodore O'Neill with Litchfield Hills Research.
spk12: Please go ahead.
spk05: Thank you. Congratulations on the good quarter and the sale of the health care division. My first question here is about KBS. So I have seen that you've had a lot of success here making buildings for asylum seekers and emergency shelters and supporting buildings. And that looks like sort of a universal problem that the states are having right now. Can you comment on the outlook in that area?
spk07: Yeah, let me just say that there are a number of sectors that I would consider very specialized. Those are a couple of them. But as I mentioned, we're getting a reputation primarily through word of mouth among educational institutions, local governments who have short-term needs for different types of affordable and workforce housing and things like that. So we've got a growing strength and a growing reputation for quality and flexibility. So we feel like we've done a pretty good job of strengthening the business and positioning it for growth.
spk05: Okay. And can you comment on any sort of acquisition opportunity in the construction business? Because it seems to me the last time we had a rising interest rate environment, there were plenty of struggling construction companies on the verge of going under. Are you seeing that yet, or is it too soon?
spk07: I think it's too soon to see a lot of them that are struggling, but it's a pretty fragmented industry still. There are a number of family-owned businesses and specialized companies that build everything from trusses to windows and cabinets and things of that nature. All of those are good potential business partners for us and are part of our input stream today but could become part of our business in the future.
spk04: Okay, thanks very much.
spk12: Again, if you have a question, please press star, then one. The next question is from Tate Sullivan with the Maxim Group. Please go ahead.
spk17: Thank you. And on the sale of DigiDRAD, I think you mentioned a couple or at least two months working on the sale, maybe longer. Can you talk about the conditions in the medical imaging industry in general that led to the timing of the sale, and was this a particularly high point in terms of valuations, if you can comment on that?
spk07: I'll say that, first of all, thank you for the question. Our 2022 operating plan did not take into account any thought that we were planning to sell the healthcare division. So we had a number of initiatives underway to strengthen it, and we were working hard towards growing the business and doing the things that we would do as a continued owner. We were approached during the year and began planning discussions about the possibility of selling the business. The more we looked at it, the more we realized the benefits of scale and the opportunities available to us at the sale price. So we moved forward from that position. It took a little bit longer than we expected, to be honest, but we're very pleased with the result.
spk17: And then in terms of retaining some of the interest in the combined company, I believe it's TTS. How will you, and David, how will you account for that? Will it be equity and investment? And is there any history of TTS giving dividends or what might that look like, your retained interest in the combined company?
spk06: Dave, do you want to address that one?
spk15: Yeah. The retained interest will be in the sort of 5% to 6% range. We don't anticipate any distributions. The Acquire is a private equity company who combined Digirad with an existing platform company that they had, and combined companies called TTG. So I would expect over the next few years they will grow this company and then attempt to sell it.
spk02: This is Jeff Tate. So our plan right now is to account for it under the cost method. So the equity interest and the note would just sit on our balance sheet, and we'd recognize the interest income as it comes in. And I would just add further that this business was a similar business to DigiRad. The two companies did business together for a long time. DigiRad was a supplier to TTG. And so they fit together really well, and there's a lot of synergies with putting the two together, which, uh, made us, um, happy to retain a stake. And, uh, this is all what the PE firm, uh, took this position in TTG in the late 2021. And they would say a typical holding period for something in their portfolio is plus or minus five years. And so, um, if you do the math on that, you know, we'll probably hold this position, um, for a few years, and then ultimately there'll be a sale because that's what private equity firms do. And at that point, our debt would be paid back and our equity would be monetized. And it's very pursue with the PE firm, which is another thing we liked about the structure of the deal.
spk17: Thank you, Jeff. And a phone follow-up. If I may, I noticed I'm a pro forma financial statements The implied overhead for DigiRAD is about $13 million, if I'm looking at it correctly, in terms of the transaction adjustments. Will it take some time? Does that go away right away in terms of overhead? Or will it take time to separate out your overhead that you can attribute to DigiRAD? Or how might that work in terms of forecasting out overhead expenses?
spk13: Yeah, I don't know. This is Jeff.
spk02: And I don't know the exact number, but every single employee of DigiRAD went with the transactions. So I think it should be pretty immediate. There's a transition services agreement. We're still going to be helping them with some things. They're going to be helping us with some things. So it's not 100% separated, but it'll be minimal noise in the financials, I think, especially after we get past Q2. Q2 will be messy soon. because we own the business for something like five weeks, and that'll show up as discontinued operations.
spk17: Sorry, one more. For construction, I mean, two quarters in a row, gross profit margins, I mean, 31% for Q22 and another good quarter this quarter. In terms of construction gross profit margins, I mean, is that a benefit of the previous hedging strategy on lumber, or does this reflect... Your current pricing, your pricing that might go forward, how should we look at margins and construction for the remainder of the year?
spk15: Yeah, well, I'll speak first. So, you know, it really is a fundamental change in that business in the sense that we've dramatically increased pricing and probably tiered up in terms of the type of projects that we're pursuing. So I can't promise you're going to see 35% every quarter. But, you know, the hedging definitely helps. We only hedge actually at the edge builder side of the business. That's about half of the business. We don't hedge at KBS for a number of reasons. But, you know, lumber, the hedgeable part of our inputs is only a smaller piece of what we purchase to build modules at KBS. So hedging is not the best strategy. But I'd say it's really just cost control. And also you've seen lumber prices have generally declined in the last six months. while we are able to maintain our higher pricing levels. So I just say better business management all around.
spk02: And this is Jeff. I would add, too, that we purposely, and this is the investment we've made in the sales teams. We have been investing more in sales and marketing at both the construction businesses, and we're finding new verticals to get into, And if you think about the construction market, it's a really big market. We're a teeny tiny niche player. We've definitely seen softness on the residential side, but that's become a much smaller percentage of our total. And things like the education vertical, you know, it's not something we've done before. We got the project last year to build the four dormitories for the college in New England, $9 million project that really put us on the map in the education space. It's so helpful to have that first project done. It was on time and on budget. The client's very happy. They're a positive reference for us. People can go and visit the final product and see what it looks like. And that was helpful in getting this recent one that we announced, the $2 million project in Vermont. And there could be more things like that, whether it's the education vertical or even other verticals. So somebody's always building something somewhere, and our team has done a much better job of finding the best projects and getting us positioned to participate.
spk08: Thank you all.
spk12: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Rick Coleman for any closing remarks.
spk07: Thanks, Gary. Before concluding the call, I just want to note that we're always available to take your call and to discuss any questions you might have. Please don't hesitate to contact us. We'll continue to share our story with existing and potential investors in the coming weeks and months. And as always, we appreciate all of our shareholders and your continued feedback and support. Thank you.
spk12: The conference is now concluded.
spk07: Thank you for attending today's presentation.
spk12: You may now disconnect.
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