Symbotic Inc.

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Symbiotic Second Quarter 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Charlie Anderson, Symbiotic Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Welcome to Symbiotic Second Quarter of Fiscal 2025 Financial Results Webcast. I'm Charlie Anderson, Symbiotic Vice President of Investor Relations. Some of the statements that we make today regarding our business operations and financial performance may be considered forward-looking. Such statements are based on current expectations and assumptions that are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results can differ materially. Please refer to our form 10-K, including the risk factors. We undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statement. In addition, during this call, we will present both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in today's earnings press release, which is distributed and available to the public through our Investor Relations website, located at .Symbiotic.gov. On today's call, we are joined by Rick Cohen, Symbiotic's Founder, Chairman, and Chief Executive Officer, and Carol Hibbert, Symbiotic's Chief Financial Officer. These executives will discuss our second quarter Fiscal Year 2025 results and our outlook, followed by Q&A. With that, I'll

turn it over to Rick to begin.

Rick?

Thank you, Charlie. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us to review our most recent results. In the second quarter, we delivered strong results, both financially and operationally. Our revenue grew by 40% year over year, and our gross margins expanded significantly, reflecting our focus on project execution while controlling costs and delivering high-quality deployments. Carol will give more detail on the level of improvements in her remarks, but at a high level, the changes we have made to improve our deployment processes are beginning to pay off. These include a more streamlined and predictable workflow and installation, closer coordination with contractors by insourcing construction management, and a strong emphasis on quality management principles to minimize errors and rework, among others. With stronger project execution, we are well-positioned to access future growth and are adding talent to do so. That includes Brian Alexander, our new Senior Vice President Commercial, who joined us recently from HUB Group, where he served in roles, including Chief Operating Officer and Chief Marketing Officer, serving multiple Fortune 500 clients with specialized supply chain solutions. Additionally, GreenBox, our warehouse as a service joint venture with SoftBank, recently hired Ashraf Chowdhury as CEO. Ashraf joins GreenBox from Civa Logistics, where he oversaw the third-largest contract logistics business in the world as its Global Managing Director. GreenBox also began a third site during the quarter, and we remain excited about our prospects. During the quarter, we also closed our acquisition of Walmart Advanced Systems and Robotics, or ASR, which expands our product portfolio to include a micro-fulfillment solution, both by ambient and perishable environments. Beyond this addition, we have compelling innovation on our roadmap to deliver even more value to our customers while also building upon the progress we've made to deploy systems more efficiently. I'm excited to share more in the coming quarters. In summary, SymBotik is in an advantageous position going forward. We have a strong multi-year opportunity with nearly 23 billion in backlog. Our margins have expanded due to improved execution, and we continue to attract impressive talent. I will close my remarks by thanking our customers for their continued trust, our team for their strong execution, and our investors for their support of our company. Now, Carol will discuss our financial results, and I'll look to Carol.

Thank you, Rick. Second quarter revenue grew 40% year over year to $550 million, with revenue growth driven by solid progress across our 46 systems and team deployments, and we more than doubled the number of operational systems from a year ago. We also benefited from two months of contribution from the acquired Walmart advanced systems in robotics. Higher revenue than forecast, combined with improving gross margins, drove a reduction in our net loss, $21 million in the second quarter, versus $55 million in the second quarter of fiscal 2024. Adjusted EBITDA in the quarter of $35 million was also above our forecast, and more than tripled year over year from $9 million in the year ago quarter. In our second quarter, we began a record 10 new system deployments, which included one new green box site in Southern California intended for multiple tenants, along with multiple break-pack deployments. We also completed eight systems in the quarter, doubling our previous record of four, bringing us to a total of 37 operational systems. As Rick mentioned, we are improving our installation performance. You have heard us talk in the past about total deployment timelines of roughly 24 months, defined as time between the signing of a statement of work for a system to customer acceptance. However, the portion of a deployment most in our control is the time between the start of its installation and its acceptance by a customer. This also happens to be where we see most of the cost of revenue recognition, which impacts our margin performance. The largest sample size we have for comparison is the phase one deployments for our largest customer. In the second quarter, our installation to acceptance timelines were roughly two months shorter for phase one systems than our historical average. And notably, these systems were 15% larger in size than our historical average for phase one systems. Normalizing for size, which also equates to revenue, our improvement levels more than 30% better than our historical average. With the increase in operational systems, we saw our software revenue grow by over 160% year over year to $6.7 million. And operation services revenue grew 47% year over year to 29.6 million. In terms of the backlog, our backlog of 22.7 billion grew sequentially from 22.4 billion last quarter. This increase was primarily due to the addition of our development contract with Walmart, associated with accelerated pickup and delivery or APD systems offset by the revenue revenue. Turning to margins, system gross margin improves significantly on a sequential basis as we gain the expected improvement from completing lower margin systems,

while also

improving our overall project execution, as both Rick and I highlighted. Revenue from Walmart ASR was also accrued to our system

margins.

Gross margin on software maintenance and support again exceeded 65%, trending towards typical industry software margins as we gain scale.

And in operation

services, we swung back to a gross profit thanks to a more favorable mix due to training revenue associated with a large number of new systems that went by. We also saw modest benefits in the Walmart ASR acquisition, where we are now providing services for the existing APD sites in operation. Operating expenses were up sequentially due to acquisitions and the investments we are making to support our growth. We finished the quarter with cash in equivalents of $955 million, which increased from 903 million in the first quarter, primarily due from cash from operations of 270 million in the quarter, offset by the 200 million paid for Walmart ASR and 21 million of capital expenditures. Now turning to our outlook. For the third quarter of fiscal 2025, we expect revenue between $520 million to $540 million and adjusted EBITDA between $26 million and $30 million. In summary, our execution has improved, resulting in improved gross margin performance and we are investing to drive future growth and product innovation. With that, we now welcome your questions. Operator, please begin the Q&A.

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct the question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you'll need to press star 1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your questions, please press star 1-1 again. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Andy Caplewitz of Citi. Your line is now open.

Good afternoon, everyone. Hello. Rick and Carol, I know one of the big focal points this year was scaling for growth. So does Q2 foreshadow where you wanna be in terms of, I think you said 10 system starts, eight completions, and if it does, how do we think about system starts and completions given the ramp up in Q2? Carol, I know you've said in the past it's lumpy, but should we assume that you've turned the corner, you'll continue to ramp up from here and is the improvement really a function of getting your arms around EPC and sourcing?

So thanks for the question, Andy. Our system starts will continue to be lumpy. So I do think the number that we start is a combination of ourselves as well as our customers being ready to go ahead and launch and demo in a new building or a new phase. And so it's a mutual decision between the two of us to go ahead and start. With that being said, we do see the trajectory with the backlog ahead of us that we will continue to do. And we're hoping you to see the number of systems starts improved as we go through the coming quarters in the coming years.

Got it. And Carol, you're forecasting the margin down a bit sequentially in Q3 versus Q2 at the midpoint. Is there anything in the forecast for tariff-related impact? Maybe it's mixed. Can you talk about the puts and takes and margin going into second half? And do you have an estimate for tariff-related expense or how are you thinking about it moving forward in terms of price versus cost? Okay,

yeah, you've got a lot wrapped up in that question. I'll start with the overall gross margin performance. So this quarter's gross margin performance is driven by three key things. It was project mix. So we had eight projects that we completed. Many of those were our lower margin projects. And so those will be moving off. Overall project execution improved. We also had contribution, as I mentioned, from our ASR business, which is bringing a creative margin to our overall systems revenue. As I think about the, or even a guide for 3Q would imply roughly 100 basis points down from what we just posted this quarter. Primarily, the difference there is the ASR business for this quarter was higher than what we expect to see in the next quarter. And so some of that business, as we work through overall design, we'll see that ramp back up in the coming quarters when we start building prototypes. But you're seeing the impact of that, which is why we're at roughly 21% for the coming quarter. In terms of tariffs, our guide both for top line and for bottom line does not include the impact of tariffs. If I think about tariff impact for us, with most of our contracts allowing tariffs being passed through, you'll actually see increases in revenue associated with that, but it'll be a drag on gross margin because it's passed through revenue.

God, so it'd just be dollar for dollar passed through. Yep. Thank

you. Thanks, Andy. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Nicole de Blas of Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Yeah, thanks. Good afternoon, guys.

Hello.

Just a follow on from Andy, is you guys are also kind of modeling revenue down sequentially in the third quarter, which is unusual from a seasonal perspective. Is that also to do with the timing of acquisition impacting the PNL, or is there something else going on there?

So thanks for the question, Nicole. There is a little bit of impact because we did have modest revenue this quarter associated with ASR. We'll see that drop a little bit in the next quarter. But the primary driver for our third quarter revenue is really a function of the number of starts that we had a year ago. So if you remember, two Q and three Q last year were our lowest system starts, and we're now a year into where they would be really heavy in system implementation. And so that's the primary driver in terms of what you're seeing for our guide for the third quarter.

Okay, understood. And then with respect to that op-ac, so R&D and SG&A stepped up pretty significantly sequentially. Are we now kind of at a good R&D and SG&A run rate, or should we expect further step-ups in the second half?

For our R&D run rate, I'd say that's a good run rate going forward. The SG&A run rate was higher this quarter, primarily related to acquisition. So our acquisition costs were higher in SG&A. You're gonna see that step back down in the next quarter and see that flood.

Okay, and any quantification of how much we should expect that to step down?

Yeah, I would expect somewhere between four and five million dollars of a step down in the SG&A op-ac.

Thank you, I'll pass it on.

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jim Resciuti of Needham Company. Your line is now open.

Thanks, good afternoon. Wasn't sure if you gave this in your script. Did you say what ASR contributed in the quarter to revenue?

No, we did not. Thanks for the question, Jim. So we are a single digit percent of revenue associated with ASR.

Okay, and- We'll see that. Go ahead.

No, please, go ahead. I'm sorry to interrupt.

Yeah, so as we build out the development program over the coming eight to 12 quarters, you'll see our revenue for ASR in the back half of this year, early next year start ramping up as we start building towards that.

Got it, that's helpful. And are you able to tell us what the installation time looks like for your large customer? I mean, you clearly are making progress there, and I know some of these are different, but is there any, in rough terms, can you tell us what the installation to acceptance time looks like right now? So we

quantify from start or signature of a project to when we hit project acceptance, about 24 months. The install to acceptance, which is what we indicated, where we have the most ability to impact, is about half of that time. So what we saw this quarter is a couple months improvement. So if you think we were at 12 months from install to accept on a couple of the projects that we had this quarter, we saw two months shaved off of that.

Thank you.

Thanks, Jim. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Somerville of VA Davidson. Your line is now open.

Thanks, I was hoping maybe you could talk a little bit more about your technology and innovation roadmap, Rick. You've obviously touched on the development of perishable in the past. So maybe an update there and maybe some of the other projects you're able to talk about that you're working on, maybe some milestones you may be achieving along the way there with some of those things. And then I have a follow-up.

Yeah, thanks, Matt. So

with the ASR projects, which we're developing, we will have bots that can do both perishables and frozen. So, and that will eventually, we're now beginning to talk to people about actually building perishable warehouses for them. So that's on our roadmap. Can't say exactly when that'll happen, but it's a lot sooner than it was two months ago. So there's demand for it. And people are very interested in that. And we have to do it for the back of the store. And so that's moving right along. And we're doing a couple of other things to make the structures smaller, which is giving us opportunities to talk to customers that want smaller systems. And also it actually will accelerate the installation of some of the bigger systems because we can actually put more in a smaller space and get it built faster. So technology is moving right along. We're starting our second design of our breakback system. The first one is working well. The second one will be better. So we're now really able to offer three products. One is the big system, and that can come in anywhere from very, very large to a couple of inbound and outbound cells on the smaller side. A breakback system can be large or small. And now we're talking about a third module, which will be the really, I mean a 15,000 foot system in the back of a store, or even we've had some people now come and say, could you do a 30,000 foot system for us for special needs? So as our product offering is expanding, we're generating a lot of interest in that. And so we'll be going, the development will be continuing to speed up.

Thank you for that. And as a follow up, Carol, I just wanna be clear. The Walmart ASR revenue was a single digit millions or single digit percentage? Because if it's a single digit percentage, that could be anywhere from like 5 million to 50 million. So it can maybe help us triangulate on that a little bit. And then also if you guys can give an update on when you think you'll be able to make some announcements regarding potential green box tenants. Thank you.

So yeah, to clarify, ASR was single digit percentage. I'd

say that's mid to high single digit percentage of revenue. Thank you. Thank you, and then the green box question. Yeah, the green

box, we now have a CEO. And so we're accelerating our sales efforts, looking at a number of strategic opportunities and now talking to early customers about involvement in green box. Our first customer will be the Lathrop site and that will be, CNS will be the very first customer. Plus we may be able to add some other customers onto that site compared to incorporating all the capacity that's available. Second sites in Atlanta, the third site will be in California. So any more interest because we're on both coasts

now. Understood, thank you guys. One moment for our next question.

Our next question comes from the line of Joe Giordano of TD Kellen. Your line is now open.

Hey guys, good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. Hi Joe. Just curious on the tariffs, is there any like, how hard is the language on this stuff with pastors? I know we had some in the past, like, stuff that was thought to be reimbursable was not. So like, I'm guessing these contracts, when they were written, wasn't contemplating something like this necessarily, like from a policy standpoint. So like, how much debate or like ambiguity is there around, hey, is this kind of accepted, like is something from Eurozone? Like, how do we think about this? Is there, how certain are you on that?

We are certain. So in general, these costs will be passed through for us. And we've gone through and done an analysis of all of our contracts over the last quarter or so. And I'll take this opportunity, Joe, to highlight a bit on tariffs, because I really just answered the portions related to guides. So if I think about the current environment we have now, our overall exposure is a single digit percent of a typical system. We have coverage for USMCA for our bot production in Mexico. So our primary exposure comes from Europe. And as I indicated, the costs are passed through. We recognize that this equates to higher system costs though. And so we're in the process of identifying with our supply chain, what else can we go do to work offsets, so that we're not passing all those costs on to our customer. But from a contractual perspective, we're protected.

Got it, that's clear. And then Rick, I know it's early days with ASR, but any updated thoughts on how you might be able to leverage technology and best practices to take the best parts of each of the three types of modules you have to make the three best things you can build?

Well, yeah, sure. I think we're talking to some people

about putting all three in the same building. And then we're also talking to some people about just putting them in the back of the store. Essentially, ASR is, and this is a potential big plus for Greenbox, it is a modified e-commerce solution because we're actually, the goal of this system is to pick an each, put it in the bag in the back of a store, customer picks it up or you deliver. But you can put it in a box and ship it to a customer. So, and of course, e-commerce, the top 300, 400, 500,000 items that sell on e-commerce are the same top 400, 500,000 items that sell on the store. So where we've had a lot of incomings because micro fulfillment, which is what other people call it, was really only looking at doing five, 6,000 items in the back of a store. And we think we can do in 15 or 20,000 feet, we think we can do 50 or 60,000 items. So in 100,000 square feet, we might be able to do a million items. And so the opportunity, and it uses the same basic software platform. There's some changes we would make to the bot, but the reason that people are interested is because this is an existing technology that's modified. The example I keep using, this is just another app on the iPhone using the same iOS. And that's the way we position the technology, but it solves different problems for different customers. And there's shipping cases, there's shipping interpacks, and there's shipping each. So we think we're the only ones that actually offer with the same software and the same supplier, all three levels of integration. So people are interested in that.

Thanks guys.

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Delaney of Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Yes, good afternoon. Thank you very much for taking my questions. The first question is hoping to better understand what you're seeing for the potential to bring in additional customers, not only with GreenBox, but with Symboidic. You spoke a little bit around the momentum and having a GreenBox CEO, but maybe you could elaborate a bit more on potential incoming demand. And have you seen it change at all with the tariff landscape and some of the supply chain challenges it may be creating for some of the potential customers?

Yeah, we've seen two things. We've seen some people just, the world is so unknown.

We've

had a lot of incoming. We've had people probably say we wanna study this, we wanna understand it. Not sure we wanna go forward to some. And then the flip side is in places that have a lot of visas or foreign labor that was coming into the US. We've seen a significant uptick in places where large customers that are doing well are very concerned about labor shortages. And so on balance, I would say we're seeing more incoming. Plus we've also increased our sales force. So we probably made twice as many sales calls in the second quarter as we did in the prior one. But in general, I think the amount of incoming is increasing. We're not, first thing we get is how affected are you by tariffs, what's the pricing? Most of our stuff comes from the US. We make a lot of stuff in a trade-free zone in Mexico. So I think there's like, oh, okay. And then I think people think inflation's coming. I think they think labor's going up. And so a lot of incoming for those reasons. So on balance, I would say we're not seeing, we're seeing more incoming than we are seeing people holding on.

This is very helpful, Rick. A follow-up on that. What's the likelihood in your opinion of material and your customers being announced this year either for Greenbox or CoriSymbotic? You recognize you always wanna be selective and take the right kinds of projects on, but do you expect to be able to announce meaningful new customers this year?

We

do. Okay, helpful. We'll stay tuned. My other question was for you, Carol, on free cashflow. Very strong in the quarter, I think 249 million against EBITDA of 35 million. So maybe elaborate a bit more on what goes the degree of free cashflow strength and how to think about free cashflow from here. Thank you.

Yeah, two Q, similar to where we were in one Q, benefited by timing of receipts. And as we've talked about, when we have a quarter where we're high in terms of the number of signatures, so we had 10 new starts this quarter, our contracts are pretty much set up if we get

cashflow

early on. And so that's what you're seeing levered. We also had the acquisition take place this quarter. So both the incoming cash and the outgoing cash, which was net benefit for Symphonic. I would expect our free cashflow position between now and the end of the year to be stable

as we head into the end of the year. Thank

you.

Thanks, Mark.

One

moment for our next

question. Our next question comes from the line of Colin Rush of Oppenheimer & Company. Your line is now open.

Thanks so much, guys. You know, some of the perception technology begins to evolve at a little bit faster rate. How quickly can you start to integrate some of that improvement into your systems? And how should we think about that impacting the productivity of the overall

system? Yeah, I mean, great question. So we are, because we're in 20, 30 warehouses now, but we can also, each level of a warehouse, so let's say there's 10 levels in a warehouse, there might be 300 or 400 levels where we'll have 100 bots on each level. So we now have bots in warehouses with LIDAR. We have bots in warehouses with Vision. We have bots in warehouses that we can run remotely. So the level of technology and the incoming, I mean, it's very interesting, and the incoming talent is accelerating. So we would expect that the level of innovation will increase, not decrease. I think we're just getting started with the learnings for what the bot can do. And so eventually our fleet will be pretty much, I don't know if it'll be 100%, but pretty much a significant portion of our fleet will include LIDAR. We also have a new battery, which has 10 times the energy. So I think what's gonna happen and what we've been working on as we scale is much more reliable machines and therefore fewer operators, therefore lower operating costs, and therefore higher returns for our customers and for us and easier to sell the systems. So I think when we started the technology, there was always concern about where are you with Walmart? Where are we with the first systems? And the word of mouth that we're getting back is why I think our incoming is increasing. There's just nobody doing, there's nobody that has LIDAR that we know of on a bot that runs in a warehouse at this scale, nor can you tell you how much, nor do you have vision. So all of those things are things that we're accelerating.

That's super helpful. And then just in terms of the scalability as you get into the back half of the decade, nearly next decade, I'm curious about the work that you're doing with finance partners in terms of underwriting these things with that, or underwriting these assets with that and helping kind of seed some of the education at this point. I guess how mature is that process? And is it anything that you really need to invest a fair amount of time on at this point?

And so we haven't encountered very many customers that have inquired about a financing arm. When you think about what Greenbox is designed to do, with Greenbox being a warehouse as a system, that's one of the opportunities for customers who might have less CapEx capability, and so they could come in and be able to utilize part of a warehouse. And so we've used Greenbox as that part of a leverage, but we have not seen a lot of incoming to date from our customers looking for financing.

Great, thanks so much, you guys.

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Guy Hardwick of Freedom Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Hi, good evening. I'm just wondering what the Q3 revenue guidance assumes in terms of systems and deployments, because obviously, as I pointed out earlier, it's a step down. So I'm just wondering what you have in terms of deployments and progress as well as completions and starts in the quarter.

And so thanks for the question. We typically don't guide with specific numbers of systems that are in deployment, but if you think about three were signed a year ago, four were signed a quarter after that, it was a lot, you know, 12 months in, those are not, you know, there's not a large number contributing to the heavy install at that point. We've got 10 that we signed this quarter and associated with our revenue ramp. Typically, we see revenue first quarter where we sign and then we're pretty stagnant on that, that 10 for the next couple of quarters. But we typically don't guide in terms of total numbers of systems and deployment.

Okay, and just to follow up on Greenbox, can you kind of update us on the kind of the progress of building out the sales capability and what stage you think the Greenbox as a company is at this point?

I think Greenbox is its early stage. We have two sites beyond the initial site that we're building out the Salesforce for and we're prospecting. And we've hired people from the 3PL space, one from Hub Group, one from SEVA. So, and we have some time because the buildings are still being built out for the Sembotic system. So we have about a year, a year and a half before we're really concerned about filling them up but the prospecting is going well and we're continuing to make a lot of sales calls. So it just takes time.

Thank

you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Derek Soderberg of Cantor Fitzgerald, your line is now open.

Yeah, hey guys, thanks for taking the questions. On the ASR business, can you provide some color as to what sort of revenue that is? I think you mentioned you're providing services. Curious if you're paid based off of each unit that you're handling and I might've missed it but are we gonna be seeing that ASR revenue in operation services or is there a systems component to that as well?

So the development associated with ASR is running through our system line. And so that's where we saw the revenue for this quarter primarily. And we talked about that being mid to high single digit percentage of what we posted for the quarter. And so that's the development activity and the design activity. And for the next three years as we work through develop and build of our three prototypes, that's where you're gonna see the primary revenue.

We do

have some revenue running through recurring because associated with the acquisition, we are responsible for maintaining the existing APD system. So we have a small amount of software running through software and then we have parts and services similar to how we operate our core business that you're gonna see in the ops services. But it's a very small amount of revenue.

Got it, that's helpful.

And then Rick, you mentioned your scale and capabilities and just sort of being at multiple layers in the supply chain. Seems like you can find some pretty valuable insights with that data. Curious if you're exploring new avenues to monetize some of that data. There have been an environment where you've kind of found certain insights and then plug that back into the ROI of the system and that longer term can improve kind of the wallet share with your customers. Any ways to sort of monetize that data at this point? Thanks.

Yeah,

so what we're, so the, we are doing that. We're actually,

the selling of the customer's data, the customer owns the data, so that's very tricky for us. And so we should just, I get asked this question a lot. And so we can't sell their data. It's their data. So, but what we've learned is, surprisingly, we probably know more about the shape and size of boxes than anybody in the world at this point. And so it's actually helped us redesign our system to be smaller and that allows the customer to store more.

And

we're

actually taking advantage of that in our pricing. That's helpful, thanks.

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ken Newman of KeyBank Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Hey guys, thanks for fitting me in. Hey Carol, maybe back on the tariff question. I know it sounds like the guide isn't reflecting any impact from past through pricing, but I am curious if you're already seeing some of your larger suppliers push price to you and curious if you have a sense of just how much that pass through could look given the early notifications you may or may not be getting from your suppliers.

Yeah, so our primary impact is from Europe. That their tariffs went into effect in April. And so 3Q will be the first where we're actually seeing the impact of that. As I indicated, we're a single-digit percent of a typical system. And so what we're in the process doing right now is discussions with our supply chain because we also are interested in making sure we're focused on continuing to reduce the cost. So where we'll start seeing the impact is as the suppliers deliver equipment here in the third quarter. But we're in discussions to figure out other ways to offset.

Right, okay. And then maybe as a follow-up there, on that pass through conversation, I get that pass throughs protect gross profit dollars, but given all the talk that you had on improving the efficiencies and lowering the amount of time it takes to deploy a system, I would imagine you could also drive stronger SG&A leverage even on the higher revenue base, even if you keep price cost neutral on the gross profit line. I know there are a lot of moving pieces, but do you think it's possible to drive EBITDA margin expansion, even if the gross margins are nominally weaker just from tariffs?

Yeah, we continue to focus on our SG&A leverage. And I think the step up you saw this quarter was primarily related to our acquisition. As we get the synergies between the two companies that are understood and work through that integration, we hopefully will be able to identify additional synergy going forward. And then as you indicated, as we continue to scale, we're seeing the benefit of that scale on overall program management and on our, just the performance of what we did for our insourcing on our EPC contract. So we're starting to see the benefit as we continue to ramp.

Very helpful, thanks.

Thanks. As a reminder to ask a question, please remember to press star 1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Greg Palm of Craig Hallam Capital Group. Your line is now open.

Yeah, thanks. Specifically on gross margin, I think Carol, you mentioned or alluded to maybe a little bit of a benefit in the quarter from ASR, but can you just talk about whether there were any other sort of one-time benefits? It sounds like a lot of it was just due to more efficiencies and obviously you had much better gross margin in software and operations services, but just kind of curious how you view that going forward.

Yeah, the other one-time benefit is mostly in the recurring. And so in a quarter where we had eight systems hit acceptance, there's a significant amount of high margin training revenue that goes along with that acceptance. So that's what you're seeing in the app services revenue. We had a bounce back this quarter from last quarter. So that's the one-timer. But in terms of the system gross margin, the project mix shifting, that will continue going forward. Our overall improvements that we're seeing from shorter install duration, benefits from bringing the insourcing in of EPC, that will continue.

And the

ASR is a higher margin contribution. And so we saw the benefit of that in the quarter. We'll have less of that next quarter, but that will come back as revenue continues to grow.

Okay, perfect. And you mentioned the three Greenbox locations already. I think there are another 10 that you have already specifically targeted in terms of cities. Can you just help us out with revenue contribution from Greenbox? I mean, is there a timeline associated with the startup of these additional 10?

And so what we've talked about, so we've launched three. And in prior quarters, we had talked about five locations where we would typically be thinking through a potential multi-tenant warehouse. So one was the Atlanta region, one was Southern California. We've looked at Dallas, we've looked at Chicago, and we've looked at somewhere on the East Coast. So we've identified five of those, which we have now launched two. Our Greenbox has been slower to ramp, but now that we've got the CEO and they're in place identifying additional sales folks, I think we're gonna see a lot more activity on Greenbox in the coming

years. Okay, fair enough. All right, thanks. Thank you.

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Mason of Baird. Your line is now open.

Yes, good evening. Carol, you may have run through this, but could you bridge the backlog again from Q1 to Q2? I know ASR was booked, but was there anything else?

Yeah, thanks for the question. Backlog, the addition to the backlog was for the development associated with the ASR business. That was the only addition. And then what you saw was the reductions associated with the revenue posted for the quarter. So those offsets. And then every quarter as we talk about, we find a final statement of work, there's puts and takes in terms of final configuration, and that's what the delta is.

Okay, maybe related to that, I think earlier on you mentioned around your deployment schedules, compressing some that phase ones, some phase ones are now 15% larger than some of the earlier stage deployments. I'm just curious, what's driving that? Or is that just the nature of the particular sites or the customer wants more installed up front? I'm just curious what's caused the expansion.

Yeah, it is purely the nature of those particular sites. I would not infer from that that all future phase ones are getting bigger. It really is dependent on every single location and size and capability of that particular warehouse as we go in. And as we talked about our largest customers, we typically end up with three phases. And so there is a little bit of a mix of what they wanna do in phase one, two or three. But I would not infer that all of our phase ones are getting 15% larger.

Very

good, thank you.

Thanks,

Rob.

I am showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn it back to Charlie Anderson for closing remarks.

Yeah, thanks everybody for joining our call tonight. We really appreciate your interest in Zimbabwe and look forward to seeing many of you during the quarter of the various investor. Thanks and have a nice day.

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