Tarsus Pharmaceuticals, Inc.

Good afternoon, and welcome to TARSA's fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial results conference call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded, and all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to David Nakasone, Head of Investor Relations, to lead off the call. David, you may begin.

Thank you. Before we begin, I encourage everyone to visit the investor section of the TARCIS website to see the earnings release and related materials we will be discussing today. Joining me on the call this afternoon are Bobby Azamian, our Chief Executive Officer and Chairman, Aziz Matawala, our Chief Commercial Officer, Stacia Nirvanan, our Chief Operating Officer, and Jeff Farah, our Chief Financial Officer and Chief Strategy Officer. I'd like to draw your attention to slide three, which contains our forward-looking statements During this call, we will be making forward-looking statements that are based on our current expectations and beliefs. These statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, and our actual results may differ materially. I encourage you to consult the risk factors contained in our SEC filings for additional details. With that, I'll turn the call over to Bobby.

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us. 2025 was a breakout year for Tarsus and for Xtembe. the first and only FDA-approved therapeutic for demonex blepharitis, an impactful disease that affects more than 25 million Americans. Among the key highlights for the year, we delivered more than $450 million in full-year net sales. We have helped more than half a million patients living with demonex blepharitis since launch, underscoring the meaningful real-world impact of Xtembe. And by creating and leading an entirely new category in eye care, We have established Tarsus as a differentiated company, fully capable of translating scientific insight into commercial leadership. We believed from the beginning that Xtemvi could be a breakthrough medicine. Today, the data and real-world experience validate our conviction. In just two years since launch, Xtemvi has fundamentally changed the eye care experience. We see that transformation reflected in three clear proof points. First, Xtemvi is delivering consistent, meaningful outcomes for patients. Second, eye care professionals have fundamentally changed the way they practice. And third, we've redefined the rules of launch and have succeeded in rewriting the biotech playbook. We're now ready to share what we've always believed, that Xtemvi can reach blockbuster status within the next couple of years with sales potential exceeding $2 billion. At the same time, we are intentionally building Tarsus for its next phase of growth. Our primary strategy is disciplined and built for repetition. Identify diseases with clear root causes, significant demand for better solutions, and the potential to establish a new standard of care. And then, apply the development and commercial playbook we have proven with XtemV. We are already executing against that framework with TPO4 and ocular rosacea, and TPO5 and Lyme disease prevention, two clinical stage programs where the biology is clear, the unmet need is substantial, and our approach has the potential to deliver a new standard of care. Importantly, we also intend to expand our pipeline in a measured way, targeting one to two new programs per year. This pace allows us to remain focused, leverage our existing infrastructure, and allocate capital responsibly while extending our long-term growth trajectory and patient impact. What excites me the most is that we have the right team in place to accelerate our goal of becoming the next leader in eye care. You may have seen last week that we welcomed David Pyatt, a distinguished leader in the global biopharmaceutical industry and former chairman and CEO of Allergan, to our board of directors. His experience building enduring global eye care franchises and driving discipline growth at scale will be invaluable as we continue to expand Tarsus' reach. We have proven we can build and scale. We have a product that continues to grow in a pipeline with tangible proof points that position us to do even more. Looking ahead, our ambition is clear. to build a company capable of repeatedly creating and leading new categories in eye care and beyond. Before I hand it over to Aziz, I want to thank the entire Tarsus team. Our performance in 2025 reflects extraordinary execution and our award-winning culture laying the foundation as we become a leader in eye care.

Aziz. Thanks, Bobby. We entered 2026 from a position of strength and momentum. Xtendi is one of the best-selling prescription eye drops, and from a product line perspective, is now profitable and growing. This gives us the leverage and flexibility to continue investing in our proven growth drivers that we believe will best support this opportunity. We're still early in reaching the estimated 25 million Americans living with demodex blepharitis, or DB. And as Bobby mentioned, we have fundamentally changed medicine. We've transformed the eye care experience and now see U.S. sales potential exceeding $2 billion. Beyond the large, untapped, addressable market, this outlook is reinforced by three fundamentals. One, a highly effective medicine that delivers consistently positive outcomes for an easy-to-diagnose disease. Two, our top prescribers have a significant opportunity to increase utilization, and almost every doctor we talk to is looking for more patients to treat. And three, the tremendous growth in patient interest, with many coming in and asking for Xtendi by name. We've seen a meaningful shift in eye care professional or ECP practice behavior and patterns. ECPs are continuing to deepen utilization across all of the patient types we've been talking about, including DV patients with concurrent MGD, dry eye, and cataracts, where visual outcomes are so important. Furthermore, I constantly hear from ECPs that they're beginning to look beyond these initial 9 million patients we originally focused on. and are now screening for DV patients being treated for glaucoma, receiving eye injections, or presenting with styes, the lumps and bumps you typically get on your eyelids. At the same time, patients are becoming more proactive and are increasingly self-identifying. Together with strong access, where we have more than 90% of coverage across commercial, Medicare, and Medicaid, these dynamics are expanding the funnel of diagnosed and treated patients. To further accelerate the depth of utilization among ECPs, we're making a targeted investment in one of the most impactful parts of our business, our sales force. In 2026, we plan to add approximately 15 to 20 key account leaders. This is a relatively modest investment that is strategically focused on increasing depth within high opportunity practices, and we expect it to contribute meaningfully to growth in the second half of the year. Another critical growth lever is evidence generation. We plan to share additional clinical and real-world data to reinforce the consistency of outcomes, strengthen physician confidence, and further expand screening and treatment patterns. This will also feed another powerful amplifier of ECP utilization, peer-to-peer influence. Having been in the eye care space for a long time, I know that when ECPs hear directly from colleagues about XtendB's consistent outcomes, adoption accelerates. We see this dynamic repeatedly at conferences and across professional forums. And complementing all the great work we're doing with our ECPs, our powerful direct-to-consumer campaign and surround sound approach to patient education also continues to deliver a positive and growing return on investment. In 2026, we plan to execute with even greater precision, focusing on the channels and formats that we know drive the greatest return while maintaining a similar level of spend as in 2025. And you can feel the momentum of our campaign in the field. I was recently with a group of optometrists at a large eye care conference, and they were blown away by how often patients are now coming in asking to be screened for DB. In many cases, making appointments specifically to ask about Xtemby. It's also amazing to see the change in objective measures of unaided awareness of DB and Xtemby, which has gone from just 2% at the start of our campaign to now 25% are one in four patients surveyed. Finally, re-treatment dynamics are continuing to progress. Weekly refills are trending in the low to mid-teens range as practices formalize protocols, moving towards our expected steady-state rate of approximately 20%. Taken together, these trends have sustained shifts in physician behavior, expanded screening, growing consumer awareness, and emerging retreatment practices, making diagnosing and treating new patients more efficient than ever. Before I pass the call over to Sesha, I just want to say how proud and thankful I am for our commercial team. At conferences and meetings, we constantly hear from ECPs about all the great work our team is doing and the impact they're having on patient lives. As you can clearly see, we have a lot more in store for 2026 and look forward to sharing our progress with you. Over to you, Sesha.

Thanks, Aziz, and good afternoon, everyone. We are leading the way in category creation and have proven that our model works. Xdemy is the first proof point, and we are now applying that same scientific and strategic framework to the next set of opportunities in our pipeline. Today, I'll share updates on two programs that reflect the attributes that drove ExDemV's success. Clear biology, significant unmet need, and the opportunity to pioneer new standards of care. I'll start with TPO4 for ocular rosacea. Ocular rosacea is a natural extension of our Demodex expertise. Like DB, it is driven by demodex mites and can significantly impact how patients look, feel, and see. It is also easily identified during a routine eye exam by the hallmark signs of inflammation and redness. Ocular rosacea affects an estimated 15 to 18 million Americans, and there are currently no FDA approved treatments. Importantly, this opportunity is highly complementary to our existing infrastructure. It involves the same physicians and the same diagnostic process enabling us to build on what we've already established, Lotlainer's positive clinical data across several related conditions. In particular, in papillopustular rosacea, a related inflammatory facial skin condition with similar pathophysiology, Lotlainer demonstrated statistically significant improvements in inflammation and redness in a Phase II trial. The insights from that trial have further informed our understanding of and confidence in PPO4's potential in ocular rosacea. PPO4 is a novel, low-clinobased, sterile, investigational ophthalmic gel designed specifically for application to the area around the eye. In December 2025, we initiated the first-ever Phase II trial for the potential treatment of ocular rosacea, which we believe is the next blockbuster category in eye care. The goal of this trial is to evaluate safety and improvements in erythema and telangiectasis around the eye, two of the most impactful signs of the disease, using novel and proprietary grading scales informed by feedback from the FDA. As with XDEMV, this phase two trial is designed to inform decisions on dose and endpoints for later stage development. Importantly, the FDA has indicated that we are not required to show a cure, but rather improvements in the endpoint. We expect top line data in the first half of 2027. Turning to TPO5 for Lyme disease prevention, a significant and growing public health concern. I'm excited to announce that we plan to initiate a phase two clinical trial in the second quarter of 2026. We plan to enroll approximately 700 participants at risk of Lyme disease in one tick season with the goal of generating data that gives us confidence in TPO5's potential to prevent Lyme disease. Top line data is expected in the first half of 2027. As a reminder, CPO5 is an investigational on-demand oral tablet that is designed to potentially kill Lyme-infected ticks before disease transmission occurs, directly targeting the root cause. Approximately 27 million Americans are at moderate to high risk of contracting Lyme disease with no FDA-approved preventative therapies and an annual healthcare burden of over $1 billion. Our approach is already established in animal health and further supported by the results of a previous tick kill trial where TPO5 demonstrated greater than 95% tick killing activity within 24 hours compared to placebo. Furthermore, our market research showed that patients and physicians alike are excited about the potential of a new oral preventative therapy. With 90% of patients willing to try it, and a majority of physicians willing to prescribe to up to 95% of their high-risk patients. We believe advancing this program ourselves is the right strategic decision at this stage, given the foundation we have in place, which includes deep experience with the local intermolecule, patent protection projected through 2040, alignment with the FDA on a regulatory path forward, and engagement with and support from many of our top Lyme disease experts in the country. And with the data from our phase two trial, we expect to generate a robust phase three ready package that will potentially maximize the program's long-term value. Before I turn the call over to Jeff, we also continue to make progress in the potential of TPO3 globally. In Europe, TPO3 remains on track for potential regulatory approval in 2027. In Japan, we are engaged with regulators to define the development pathway And in China, our partner, Granforma, expects approval later this year. These milestones represent potential long-term growth drivers as we work to establish TPO3 as a global standard of care. We have an exciting year ahead and look forward to sharing continued progress across our pipeline. With that, I'll turn it over to Jeff.

Thanks, Sesha. 2025 was a year of strong financial performance and disciplined executions. For the fourth quarter of 2025, we delivered $151.7 million in net product sales at a gross net discount of 44%. For the full year, we delivered $451.4 million at a gross to net discount of approximately 45%. Total operating expenses were $522.3 million, driven in large part by commercial investments supporting the XtemV launch. We ended the year with approximately $418 million in cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities, providing meaningful financial flexibility as we scale the business and expand our pipeline. Turning to 2026. With more than two years of revenue history, a clearer understanding of seasonality, broad and stable payer coverage, and proven DTC effectiveness, we are providing full-year guidance for the first time. For 2026, we expect strong net product sales in the range of $670 million to $700 million, or annual growth of more than $230 million and 50% at the midpoint of our guidance. It is important to note that projected annual revenue growth is not anticipated to be linear throughout the year. Consistent with what we have seen across eye care and other therapeutic areas, we expect typical first quarter seasonality to impact growth, including deductible resets that increase out-of-pocket costs and temporarily reduce new patient visits. We also expect this dynamic to increase the gross-to-net discount for the first quarter. Additionally, given that ExtenV remains primarily driven by new patients, holidays, medical meetings, and this year's severe weather disruptions are influencing near-term trends. As a result, we expect first quarter 2026 revenues to be flat slightly below our Q4 2025 revenue. Further, sequential growth through 2026 is expected to be similar to what we observed in 2025 and consistent with broader sector dynamics. We expect strong growth in the second quarter, more tempered growth in the third quarter, and robust growth in the fourth quarter. Turning to expenses, for 2026, we expect gross margins to remain strong at approximately 93 percent, SG&A expenses to be in the range of $545 million to $565 million, which includes stock-based compensation of approximately $40 million, continued investment in our DTC campaign, Xtendi-related marketing and commercial support at levels consistent with 2025, or approximately $80 million, the incremental planned 15 to 20 new key account leaders, anticipated utilization of patient support services, and variable costs that scale with higher sales, including pharmacy administration fees and the branded prescription drug fee. We also expect R&D expenses to be in the range of $115 million to $135 million and includes stock-based compensation of approximately $20 million, a Phase II trial of TPO4 for the potential treatment of ocular rosacea, expected to cost between $7 to $10 million, with the majority plan to be recognized in 2026, and the Phase II trial of TPO5 for the potential prevention of Lyme disease. As Sesha noted, this is a relatively large trial and expected to cost approximately $25 to $30 million in total. Given our expertise with TPO5 and Lodalaner, We believe we are best positioned to run the trial and generate the most value for this program by developing a phase three ready package for our potential partner. Importantly, and as Aziz mentioned, Xtendv is profitable and growing from a product line perspective today. As revenue continues to scale, we expect increasing operating leverage and maintain a clear line of sight towards potential company level profitability while maintaining the flexibility to invest in other high-return opportunities. Overall, our 2026 plan reflects a balanced approach, extending Xtembe's leadership while advancing pipeline programs that expand our long-term growth potential and value creation. In summary, we believe we are entering 2026 with strong revenue visibility, a scalable cost structure, and a disciplined investment plan. We look forward to sharing more updates with you in the coming quarters. I'll now turn the call back to Bobby for closing remarks.

Thanks, Jeff. In just two years since the launch of Extenvi, we have driven a fundamental shift in eye care and expect a clear path to peak sales potential of more than $2 billion. And as you heard today, Parsys is not a single product story. Extenvi is proof of a repeatable model one that integrates science, commercial execution, and discipline investment to create and lead new categories in underserved disease states. The foundation is built. The model is proven. We've rewritten the biotech playbook and are on our way to becoming a leading pharma company. Operator, please open the line for questions.

If you'd like to ask a question at this time, please press star 11 on your telephone. and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Our first question comes from Eddie Hickman with Guggenheim. Your line is now open.

Hey guys, congrats on the progress and thanks for taking my question. Can you give us a little bit more detail into what is going into your expectations beyond 1Q for that $370 to $400 million guidance in terms of a little bit more about like the bottles and the refill and sort of what your expectations are around the cadence of that? Appreciate it. Thank you.

So yeah, are you talking about Q180 in particular?

sort of beyond Q1, anything you can give us to get you to that full year guidance that you gave us in terms of the number of bottles and sort of how you expect re-treatments to work throughout the year?

Yeah, no, I think just the big picture guidance that we provided in the prepared remarks is, you know, we do expect flat to slightly down in the Q1, just given the typical dynamics that you see with the duct pulse resetting. And then historically, we've seen a nice bump up in Q2. And then As you think about eye care space in general, you typically see some tempered growth in the Q3 summertime frame. And then fourth quarter with FSAs expiring and deductibles basically expiring as well, you see more robust growth there. All of that, you know, the gross to nets and the bottles dispensed are baked into, you know, our guidance. We're not going to, you know, really provide that typical bottle guidance or gross to net guidance that we've historically done now that we've given the full year guidance here. But, you know, absent a material change, we're probably not going to comment on those type of things. But if there is something that changes dynamically, we'll be sure to make sure the street knows.

Got it. And then one clarification is as the launch continues and docs and patients get more familiar with how this is administered and, you know, maybe some getting refilled, do we expect for the impact of those seasonal disruptions for conferences and weather and holidays to continue to be as impactful from a magnitude perspective going forward?

Hey, Eddie, it's Aziz. Yeah, thanks for that clarifying question. I think as you move further in the launch, you are going to be more susceptible to the typical seasonality. That's pretty typical for most brands. We see this across the eye care space and actually areas outside of eye care as well. So We're seeing that now in the first quarter. I think the dynamics you're referring to are what give us the confidence in the continued growth of the brand and to eventually achieve the peak that we provided today. And I think the fundamentals there are really strong, as you alluded to, right? We've got a strong and growing base of prescribers that are actively deepening their utilization. They're looking for other use cases. We're meeting that with a strong consumer effort. We're now one in four patients is aware. So if you think about our DTC, even at a similar span level, We're likely going to be able to convert patients more quickly and more effectively as we progress in that effort. And then, of course, the refills will continue to help drive that. But I do think from time to time, conferences, weather, et cetera, is certainly going to affect it, considering that even at our steady state 20% refill rate, we're still primarily NRX-driven, right? So you'll see that across every brand. We're probably just as susceptible to it given the NRX dynamic. But certainly the long-range view here looks really great given the drivers I've outlined.

Appreciate it. Thanks for all the color, guys, and congrats again.

Our next question comes from Jason Gerberry with Bank of America.

Hey, guys. This is Balan Patel on for Jason Gerberry. First, on the gross to net side, you landed at about 44% for 4Q, and I know that 1Q typically has the reset pressure, but I guess as we look at full year 2026, where do you see that steady state gross to net settling out? And are there any favorable dynamics in potentially offsetting the 1Q pressures? And then the second question is obviously raising the peak sales target to over 2 billion is a big update. And I'm just wondering if you can unpack what's driving that increased conviction. Is it more about the breadth of the prescriber base continuing to expand? Or is it about really getting deeper with those top tier weekly writers? And maybe it has something to do with adding those new key account leaders that you mentioned. Thank you.

Hey, Bob, and it's Jeff. Just to answer your question on the gross-to-net side of the house, you are right. We do expect some pressure on the gross-to-net discount in Q1, as most manufacturers will face this quarter. But we do expect it to go to fundamentally where we have guided for long-term gross-to-net discount, which is In the 43 to 45%, as you highlighted in the fourth quarter, we exited at 44%. We'll probably get to that range in the middle of this year. So we'll see a stepwise decrease in Q2 and then fundamentally get to that sort of lower end of the 43 to 44 to 45% range.

And, Pavan, this is Bobby. Thanks for the question about $2 billion. We have gotten a lot of people interested in what's the particular – potential of Xtemvi and we're really excited to be able to talk about that today. What's really changed there is that we have a great view of how Xtemvi is performing now two years in. We know that this is a breakthrough. We've served only half a million patients with this medicine. There are 25 million Americans with DB. So that represents less than 10% penetration, that 2 billion plus figure. We also have transformed the practice of eye care. in general and that's allowed doctors to look beyond those segments to all their patients they're starting to look at all their patients and recognizing the importance of db and then to your point there's just continued flawless execution across the board with our commercial effort education access evidence you mentioned a couple things there that we're going to continue to execute flawlessly on so that's allowed us to rewrite the playbook and confidently say this is a $2 billion plus medicine. Thank you.

Our next question comes from Lachlan Hanbury-Brown with William Blair.

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I guess the first may be on the DTC campaign. You said that you've seen a great response. It's sort of got a positive ROI and it's probably achieved that earlier than you would have expected. Just curious on the thoughts of is it worth putting more behind that, you know, investing more money in a DTC campaign, how you've thought about that and sort of landed on 80 million being the right level of spend for that.

Yeah, thanks, Lachlan. Yeah, you're absolutely right. The DTC campaign so far is performing exceptionally well ahead of our expectations in terms of timing to reach that positive ROI, which confirmed our rationale to continue to advance that in 2026. When you think about what's driving the improvement in ROI in 26 and why we're excited about that, there's a couple of factors. One, now you've got one in four patients aware. And two, you've got doctors actively looking. These two things, along with our ability to execute, right, we've learned a lot in the last year, is going to allow us to really scale that ROI impactfully. It's a compounding effect, if you will. We should be able to convert those patients more quickly, more effectively. 80 million feels right and ultimately look what we're making is like incremental investments actually with the sales force because ultimately the physicians writing the prescription and And we think that getting the patients into practice is important, but continuing to support that deepening prescribing and that deepening of utilization is another factor. So we're sort of hitting on both sides of the funnel, if you will. We're driving patients at the top and really investing and converting as many of those patients as possible. And as we sit today, we feel really good about the outlook on converting patients from DTC, but also improving the physician dynamics and building on that momentum as well. So TBD, I think long-term, we feel really good about the investment level, and we've got the right things in place to capitalize on it.

Great. Thanks. Maybe a second on the Lyme disease program. Can you give any more details on what that study looks like and what the endpoints might be, how long it would be, what sort of duration of treatment is?

Yeah. Hi, Lachlan. This is Sasha. Thanks for the question. So Lyme disease, you know, is a face-to-face trial, as we said, about 700 participants. You know, we plan to enroll them in one peak season. Beyond safety, which is an important part of a prophylactic program, we are looking to measure other measures. One of the key ones is the blood level of low telaner, which we want to see that could really translate. into our conference of overall effectiveness of TPO5. So the purpose of this study is to generate data that gives us a strong Phase III-ready package, gives us additional confidence on the program, and in a large enough population that can give us directional input to a Phase III study. Got it.

Thanks.

Our next question comes from Jenna Devinder with Barclays.

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Just on the operating expenses, which I think came in a little bit ahead of what people were modeling, and it makes sense given the R&D and the investments in sales and marketing, I was just curious, maybe looking beyond 2026, would you expect this a similar level of step-up going forward, or is there a point in time where maybe the increase in OpEx spend would kind of moderate a little bit? Thank you.

Thanks, Jenna. This is Jeff. Great question. We don't expect a big step-up absent a major change in the business. The only Another thing I would continue to think about is certain variable costs that will continue to increase with revenues increasing. There are certain things that we pay in terms of pharmacy fees, fees to run the copay program, also patient support programs that will increase with increasing revenues. So that would be the main item there. The other thing that we could explore in potential out years is maybe a reduction in DTC spend. You know, we'll have to see how that experiment plays out, but there could be a potential to us to, you know, pare back on it or pulse it or something like that. But that's more of a 27 and beyond type of question there. But big picture, no material step-ups in the out years, absent a material change in the business.

Awesome. Thank you so much.

Our next question comes from Matthew Caulfield with H.C. Wainwright.

Hey, guys. Great to see the continued progress. I appreciate the question. So there was obviously mention of the European preservative-free formulation in 2027, the discussions in Japan, and the potential partnered approval in 2026 in China. Can you tell us a little bit more about these opportunities and how these markets compare in terms of anticipated prescriber receptivity overall? Thanks.

Yeah, thank you for that question. I think when we look at US, what's really interesting is the overall dynamics are very similar to the US. The prevalence of the disease is pretty consistent regardless of the geography. And in most of the markets, the treatment paradigm is very similar to what we saw in the US prior to the launch of Extendi, where doctors are aware. They're typically using palliative approaches and are really eager to have a definitive cure or treatment for the disease. Furthermore, the positive U.S. experience is getting out there. As we mentioned, doctors like to hear from each other, and I've been to a few of these European conferences, and the European doctors are really excited with what they're seeing their U.S. colleagues do at Xtendi. So there's a lot of interest and excitement around the market opportunity. The market dynamics are very similar, albeit there's always differences in pricing and reimbursement, but the patient and physician dynamics are very similar, and ultimately the pricing and reimbursement dynamics will sort of dictate our go-to-market approach. which we're currently evaluating in each of those markets.

Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Our next question comes from Dennis Ding with Jefferies.

Hi, this is Anthea for Dennis. Thanks for taking our questions and congrats on the quarter. In terms of the peak sales guidance, can you talk about when you expect to achieve that $2 billion in sales? And if that would be before 2032 and when your competition of matter patent expires, or is there some more room beyond that based on your secondary patents up to 2038? And then secondly, on ocular rosacea, can you talk a little bit more about what a meaningful trend on erythema would be and if there's a scenario to hit STAT-seq there? Thank you.

Thank you very much. This is Bobby, and I appreciate the question. It's literally to say exactly when that peak is going to be hit. What we see is we're two plus years into the launch, and we've seen continued incredible growth, and we continue to see no slowing of that growth. So we're about a couple years from a billion plus, and then, you know, we see no signs of slowing down. And all these metrics that we've talked about on the commercial side continue to be very, very strong. So that's what I can say about the peak, and I'll pass this issue to talk about authorizations.

Thanks, Bobby. Can you please repeat that question so I can clarify that?

Yeah, for sure. In terms of ocular rosacea, what do you see is a meaningful trend on erythema? And then if there's a scenario to hit STAT-SIG on that endpoint?

Yeah, so thank you. Thank you for that question. So one of the things I would start by saying that You know, this is the first ever trial in and, you know, we are, we are not new to this this paradigm. We have done this once well before developing new clinical measures. So that's that's an important part of of what we do here. So, in addition to a team, we're also looking at, which are prominent blood vessels. These are the hallmark signs of the disease. And when we talk to the ECPs, you know, given the fact that there is no approved treatment, what they're looking for is any improvement in these conditions. You know, it's very meaningful for them, and that's exactly what we are focused on. We have alignment with the FDA on these two measures, and what we are striving to show is an objective improvement on these measures. And then we'll continue to evaluate the data and move it forward with continued conversations with the FDA.

Great, thank you. Our next question comes from Andreas Argarites with Oppenheimer.

Hey, thanks, guys. Congrats on all the success and progress in 25. Most of our questions were asked, but I'm going to ask a couple here. Can you give us, you mentioned something around the seasonal dynamics while you provided that robust sales guidance. any additional insight into those seasonal trends? And then, assuming you advance both ocularization and Lyme disease programs, how much do you think those pivotal studies would cost? Thanks.

Yeah, I'll take the first part here. So, the seasonal dynamics are what you typically see across the industry. And again, as we move further down the launch curve here, we'd expect Xtenda to be part of that typical seasonality, right? And there's a few dynamics here, right? resetting co-pays. There's deductible resets for both patient visits. So you're thinking about patients, fewer patients going into the office and then those that are going in the office are paying more out of pocket. So it affects both the demand as well as the gross net, which Jeff alluded to earlier. What we do see is that that is already starting to work its way through. If you look at the most recent weeks in the IQVIA data, which most people track, we are seeing a positive trajectory in the last few weeks, and we expect that to continue outside of anything unexpected. But I think with your past of the bulk of the season and, of course, the weather, you start to see people come back into the eye care offices. You start to see conversion of those scripts. And fundamentally, all the signs we're seeing are really great. When we go to the conferences, the doctors are telling us, There's no end in sight. They're seeing a lot of utility and success with the product. And we see that in the numbers too that we analyze, right? The doctors are looking for more and more cases. We think rolling out our key account leaders will help facilitate that. They'll be kind of out there in the back half of the year. We expect that to pay for itself. So these are some key drivers. And we talked a little bit about DTC earlier as well. So we'd expect all the things we're doing to continue to amplify the growth. And certainly the Q1 dynamics are going to play through. But absent of that, we expect a really strong year in line with the guidance that Jeff provided.

And Jeff, do you want to talk about the pivotal potential costs for OR and Lyme?

Yeah. So, Andreas, the OR study is expected to cost somewhere between $7 to $10 million, with the majority of those costs incurred in 2026. And then for the phase three or phase two Lyme study, somewhere in the range of $25 to $30 million, with most of those costs coming in during 2026 and a few trailing over into 2027.

All right, appreciate it, guys. Thanks, and congrats again on all the progress. Thank you.

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Great. Thanks so much for taking my question and congrats on the quarter. Two questions if I could. Just one, could you just go into Xdengvi current prescribing trends and differences happening between the two segments, ophthalmologists and optometrists? And then secondly, just to follow up on the peak sales guidance, any way you can provide color on the U.S. versus ex-U.S. kind of split there? Thanks.

Yeah, Greg, it's disease. I can provide a little bit of color on both of those. So in terms of the prescribing dynamics, what we're excited about is the continued depth of prescribing. And we're seeing this across both ophthalmology and optometry. And I'll remind folks that our split is roughly two-thirds optometry and about a third ophthalmology, with both segments growing really strongly. In fact, when we think about depth of prescribing, we've seen some really good movement there. In the most recent quarter, we hit a stat of about 40% of our core target now prescribing weekly. meaning they're prescribing at least five a week. Oh, sorry, once a week. And then we saw a 20% growth in those that are writing at least five a week or what we call a daily writer. So they're writing at least once a day. That grew 20%. So, you know, you've got about 40% of your total audience writing this with good regularity. And then the fundamental heavy users are growing even more at 20%. So there's some good signals there. And that's, again, across both those segments. So we really feel good about the prescribing dynamics. We think about the utility of expanding that effort further with the key account leaders. And then, of course, thinking about the effort that DTC has there, right? Every time a patient comes in from DTC, that's actually pulling from our 25 TAM into that 9 million TAM. So you're expanding the funnel, as we mentioned earlier. So that's going to help continue to facilitate that depth of prescribing. And then to clarify, the $2 billion peak, that's specific to the U.S., right? So that's where we're in market right now, and that's where we're focusing the guidance. And that peak is $2 billion in the U.S.

Got it. And maybe as a follow-up then, I know it's early days, but any way to help us think about what then the XUS component might look like? Again, it's hard at this point, but any color there?

Hey, Greg, it's Jeff. Yeah, it is a little bit challenging, particularly given some of the dynamics that we're facing now with MFN. And I think what we're doing is we're making thoughtful investments along the way to do ECP education, get engaged with patient groups, and do everything we can before crossing the Rubicon and really launching over there. So we're monitoring that. But big picture, I think a good sort of proxies typically, you know, 90% U.S., 10% rest of world. So I think that would be something you could think about. I would say Japan is probably a little bit higher on the opportunity scale than maybe Europe is. But I think that for modeling purposes, that would probably be a good model.

Very much appreciated. Thanks so much and congrats again.

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