Group Limited

Q3 2023 Earnings Conference Call


spk18: Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Group 2023 Q3 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you'll need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Senior IR Manager Michelle Chee. Please go ahead.
spk06: Thank you. Thank you, Maggie. Thank you, everyone. Good day, and welcome to CryptoCon Group's third quarter of 2023 earnings conference call. Joining me today on the call are Mr. James Lam, Executive Chairman of the Board, Ms. Jen Sun, Chief Executive Officer, and Ms. Cindy Wong, Chief Financial Officer. During this call, we will discuss our future outlook and performance, which are forward-looking statements made under the safe harbor provisions of the U.S. Private Security Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. As such, our results may be materially different from the views expressed today. A number of potential risks and uncertainties are outlined in Group's public filings with the Security and Exchange Commission. Group does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statement except as required under applicable law. James, Jen, and Cindy will share in our strategy and business updates operating highlights and financial performance for the third quarter of 2023, as well as outlook for the fourth quarter of 2023. After the prepared remarks, we will have the Q&A session. With that, I will turn the call over to James. James, please.
spk08: Thank you, Michelle. Thank you, everyone, for joining us on the call today. We are pleased to see the global travel market showing strong recovery in the third quarter. The Chinese travel market in particular has experienced a significant rebound, driven by high demand during the summer season. Our business has consistently performed well, breaking previous records in hotel and air bookings. Additionally, outbound travel is rapidly recovering thanks to improvements in international airlift and travelers' robust desire for international experience. We anticipate the continuously strong demand for outbound travel in the coming year and are committed to enhancing our product offerings to meet this demand. We will also accelerate our global business growth by expanding and scaling our global OTA platform. While globalization remains a crucial aspect of our business, Group recognizes the significance of AI innovation in our long-term strategy. The pandemic has accelerated the digitization of travel industry, and advancements in AI technology have transformed consumer expectations. In response to this trend, we have developed our unique AI technology, which is specifically designed for the travel industry. This, combined with our extensive travel knowledge, enables us to create a reliable database of accurate travel data and provide actionable recommendations for travelers. Moving forward, we'll continue to enhance our capabilities and integrate AI into all aspects of our business, providing personalized booking experiences and tailored recommendations. In conclusion, travel is unique in that it is an inherently human-centric experience with insatiable demand. We will continue to push forward with our globalization and AI innovation to pave the way for the company's accelerated growth. With that, I will turn the call over to Jane for operational highlights.
spk05: Thanks, James. Good morning, everyone. As a quick overview, our net revenue increase rate grew by approximately 100% year-over-year and has exceeded the 2019 level by 31%. The strong travel demand and robust momentum in travel bookings that we saw in the second quarter continued to extend into the third quarter. Our business performance continued to elevate and reached the new record amounts, with hotel booking increased over 97% versus last year, and air bookings increased by about 70% year over year. In the China domestic market, travel demand remained strong. Over the past three quarters, Chinese consumers have been increasingly prioritizing travel spending over other discretionary spending, The positive trend that we saw in the second quarter continued all the way to the third quarter. Our domestic hotel reservations grew by over 90% year-over-year and 70% versus 2019 level. Long-haul hotel bookings have been the fastest year-over-year growth rate of 133%, and our short-haul hotel bookings were also 66% above last year's level, while Chinese travelers remained keen to explore their home country. Capacity to travel abroad continued to ramp up thanks to the steady improvement on the supply side. In Q3, while the overall Chinese outbound market recovered to only about 50%, of the pre-pandemic level. Group's outbound hotel and air ticket reservations have already recovered to 80% of the pre-pandemic level, continue to lead the market by approximately 30%. APAC regions such as Hong Kong, Macau, Thailand, Singapore, Korea, Japan remain top outbound destinations due to the high recovery in flight capacity and easy visa application. Trip to long-haul destination such as Europe have also seen the fastest growth rate when compared to where they were in the previous quarter. Increasing number of the overseas partners are gearing up to welcome Chinese travelers. In particular, hotels in more than 15 popular destinations including Dubai, Paris, Kuala Lumpur, have offered tailored services such as Chinese language support and payment. These positive trends have enhanced the consumers' confidence when they travel abroad. We look forward to seeing further growth in Chinese album travel next year. Turning to our global business, we continue to see resilience in the global travel demand, especially in APAC regions, which is the key market and powerhouse of the growth. Air ticket booking on our global OTA platform has nearly doubled year over year, and 80% above 2019 level. Our overall hotel booking on the global platform also hit a new record high and more than doubled 2019 level. Following the country's goal to promote inbound tourism and roll out of favorable policies, we have also seen triple digits growth in inbound travel through our global platform. Travelers worldwide are increasingly opting for destinations abroad, which continue to drive the global travel momentum and present great opportunity for travel companies with global offerings. Benefiting from the positive trend, our global business continues to excel, and our focus remains on fostering organic growth in the mid to long term. Our global OTA platforms have experienced significant growth, with its contribution to the group steadily increasing and now representing nearly half of our total overseas business. We see substantial potential for further expansion to serve users globally, as well as significant upside for profitability Notably, in Q3, 60% of our global booking came directly through our global mobile app. Our impact market, we have seen 70% of the orders are booked through our mobile app, which is even higher than the global booking. To further capitalize on this opportunity, we have developed a comprehensive roadmap that leverage our strengths and resources to drive continuous growth. Our strong foothold in APAC markets, coupled with our unwavering commitment to customer services, enable us to deliver exceptional product and service offerings to our users. Recognizing the immense potential in APAC region we are dedicated to further enhancing our brand awareness to solidify our market position. Notably, we have achieved significant market share growth in key areas such as Hong Kong, Korea, Southeast Asia. And our strong product income to provide a comprehensive one-stop shopping service also enable us to capture opportunities ahead. We are also applying the same strategic approach to expand to the rest of the world by leveraging our product and service capability. In terms of accommodation, we have enhanced our product capabilities by achieving a more balanced mix between our traditional strengths in long-haul and newly developed expertise in short-haul. in response to evolving travel needs in the post-pandemic area. Our focus remained on the positive product innovation, aiming to deliver great value to both our customers and partners. Additionally, partners have the opportunity to join our Trip Plus program which enable them to connect with our high quality and loyal customers through our branded membership. Furthermore, we are extending our user base by pushing forward with our lower tier cities penetration. With these efforts, we aimed to deliver the best possible value to both of our customers and our partners. As the appetite for travel continued to grow, the further AI in application in travel is expected to focus on efficiency and highly personalize the solution to tailor-made individual travelers' needs. vision not only signified the next phase of travel industry, but also underscored the profound impact of AI in making travel more convenient, personalized, and memorable for everyone. So far, we have launched a series of AI tools to refine travel booking experience. Our AI travel assistant, Trip Genie, enhanced the user interface with our customers by leveraging natural language users interface and providing actionable results. Since its launch early this year, we have seen double order conversion rate improvements and also help our users retention. We have also achieved remarkable self-service rate with the help of AI chatbot, which can handle numerous inquiries using text and voice accuracy to enhance the service. This streamlined approach results in improved self-service resolution. As the recovery of the travel industry is promising, we continue to embrace the sustainability as a component of our long-term growth strategy. We remain committed to being environmental-friendly, community-friendly, and family-friendly. First, for environmental-friendly, we provide sustainable travel products dedicated to supporting and enhancing communities we are serving, we have taken significant steps to incorporate sustainable travel products into its various product lines, including light, car rentals, and corporate travel. Over 16 million users have already chosen these sustainable travel options, favoring the company's low-carbon products. We also are focusing on low-carbon hotel standards as part of our ongoing commitment to promoting our sustainable travel industry. In the initiative, groups have engaged with nearly 1,000 hotel partners and launched its low-carbon hotel standards initiative, which aims to encourage eco-friendly practices and facilitate a shift towards a more sustainable travel ecosystem by collaborating with these hotels. For community-friendly initiatives, we also have pushing forward with building country retreats across the country to nurture travel talents improve local travel services quality while also creating job opportunities and contributing to the global common prosperity. For Family Friendly, we have implemented subsidy program aiming to alleviating child birth expenses in order to support our employees to achieve work-life balance. With our ongoing efforts to prioritizing these initiatives, we are proud to continue to make positive impact on society at large. In conclusion, we are encouraged by the robust travel demand across all business segments, and we anticipate this album travel will continue to be primarily catalyst for the growth in the short term. Looking forward, our global business, bolstered by enhanced offering and improved profitability, will become the pivotal pillars in the long run. Considering these promising prospects, as well as the efficiency gain achieved during the quarter and going forward by implementing of our AI initiatives, We remain an optimistic outlook for the market, and we are confident in the opportunities that lay ahead of us. With that, now I will turn the call to Cindy.
spk07: Thanks, Jane. Good morning, everyone. For the third quarter of 2023, Group reported a net revenue of RMB 13.7 billion, representing a 99% increase from the same period last year and a 22% increase from the previous quarter, primarily due to strong recovery in the travel market. Accommodation reservation revenue for the third quarter was RMB 5.6 billion, representing a 92% increase year-over-year and a 30% increase quarter-over-quarter, which is 36% higher than the 2019 level. Both domestic and outbound hotels have seen robust growth and outpaced the industry. Overall hotel booking have achieved a record high and have grown over 60% above the pre-pandemic level. Transportation ticketing revenue for the third quarter was RMB 5.4 billion, representing a 105% increase year-over-year and an 11% increase quarter-over-quarter, which is 44% higher than the 2019 level. This is mainly due to robust recovery of outbound air and strong growth in domestic and global air business. Packaged tour revenue for the third quarter was RMB $1.3 billion, representing a 243% increase year-over-year and an 84% increase quarter-over-quarter, recovering to 81% of the 2019 level. Domestic package tour has outgrown the 2019 level while recovery in the outbound package tour was still lagging behind. Corporate travel revenue for the third quarter was RMB 591 million, representing a 60% increase year-over-year and remained flattish quarter-over-quarter, which is 76% higher than the 2019 level. with air ticketing bookings increased by double digit above 2019 level and hotel bookings threefold the 2019 level. Excluding share-based compensation charges, our total adjusted operating expenses were 19% higher than the previous quarter and 20% higher than the same period in 2019. Adjusted product development expenses for the third quarter increased by 23% from the previous quarter and increased by 29% compared with the same period in 2019. Adjusted G&A expenses for the third quarter increased by 9% from the previous quarter and increased by 21% from the same period in 2019. This is mainly due to increase in personnel-related expenses. The increase was mainly related to performance-based bonus in recognition of the exceptional performance achieved in the quarter, while the total headcount of our product development and G&A teams was significantly lower than during the same period in 2019. Adjusted sales and marketing expenses for the third quarter increased by 17% from the previous quarter and increased by 11% compared with the same period of 2019. The sequential increase was due to increased marketing activities that were in line with the higher seasonality. Adjusted EBITDA was RMB $4.6 billion, for the third quarter compared with RMB 1.4 billion in the same period last year and RMB 3.7 billion in the previous quarter. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 34% for the third quarter compared with 21% in the same period last year and 33% in the previous quarter. Diluted earning per ordinary share and per ADS were RMB 6.84, or US dollar, 94 cents, for the third quarter of 2023. Excluding share-based compensation charges and fair value changes of equity, securities, investments, and exchangeable senior notes, non-GAAP diluted earnings per ordinary share and per ADS were RMB 7.26, or US dollar, 1, for the third quarter. As of September 30, 2023, the balance of cash and cash equivalents, restricted cash, shortened investment, held to maturity time deposit, and financial products was RMB $79 billion or $10.8 billion. Given the rapid business growth this year has significantly strengthened the group's cash flow, and we believe the company's share price is undervalued. As of November the 20th, 2023, we repurchased US dollar 120 million of our shares and reduced our share count by 0.5% versus last year. Our board of directors has also approved a regular capital return policy which is scheduled to commence in 2024. We are proud of this accomplishment as it reflects both our commitment to returning capital to shareholders and our confidence in the long-term outlook of the travel industry and our own business. To conclude, we are pleased with the continued momentum in the travel market and our team's solid execution in the third quarter. We are well prepared and will remain key to drive long-term growth and to maximize return for shareholders. With that, operator, please open the line for questions.
spk18: Thank you. We will now conduct the Q&A session. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please stand by as we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Brian Gon from Citi. Please go ahead, Brian.
spk15: Yes, thanks. Good morning, James, Cindy, and Michelle. Congrats on decent sub-quarter results. Thanks for sharing the exciting progress of the generative AI adoption at I have a quick question on this. Could you elaborate how the adoption of AI technology differs between our pure international platform,, and our domestic C-Trip within the group? Thank you.
spk10: Thanks for your question.
spk08: We implement a consistent AI adoption strategy across all markets. focusing on improving productivity and efficiency in marketing, engineering, and customer services. Our goal is to offer users a smart AI assistant that can simplify and enhance their trip planning and research experiences. Through natural language interfaces and actionable recommendations, we aim to help users plan their trips more effectively. Successful practices from each market will be shared and promoted across others, ultimately becoming a global standard within our organization.
spk10: Thank you very much. Thank you. Just a moment for our next question, please.
spk18: Next, we have Alex Poon. from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
spk00: Thank you, James, Cindy and Michelle. Congrats on a very strong quarter. For my question, could you share some details about the travel performance after the Golden Week and how should we interpret the momentum into Q4 and into 2024? Thank you so much. Sure.
spk07: According to date, China hotel rep part number and domestic air passenger volume was slightly below that of 2019, which reflects a normal seasonality post the summer. We continued to outpace the industry average growth without domestic hotel booking surpassing 2019 level by around 60%, and our outbound hotel and air reservations recovered to around 80% of the 2019 level. Our global OTA platform has maintained a triple digit growth over 2019, despite tough comparables. Look into the next year, 2024. Our users' short booking window makes it challenging for us to forecast the 2024 industry momentum. However, we are confident in our ability to consistently outpace the market growth. In terms of a different market, for the China market, we expect robust growth in the outbound travel business due to further recovery of outbound flight capacity, along with steady growth in domestic business. For the global market, we anticipate our global OTA platform,, to maintain high-speed growth, while Skyscanner and other overseas brands continue to grow healthily despite recent headwinds in the email region. Thank you.
spk10: Thank you. Thank you very much.
spk18: Next, we have Natalie Wu from Haiton International. Please go ahead.
spk02: Hi. Hi. Thanks for taking my question and congratulations. I'm very sorry, Korda. My question is regarding the Arbonne. We all acknowledge that Arbonne will continue to be the strongest driver in short term. I'm just wondering, the recovery pace of unbound flights recently seems to be a little bit slower than the market has initially expected. So just wondering, is there any reason behind? Is it due to insufficient consumer capacity? So just wondering, when does the management anticipate a full recovery of the unbound business? Thank you.
spk05: Yeah, so we're confident in the recovery of our bond. If you look at our demand and supply side, the demand already exceeded 2019 level. However, on the supply side, there are two major hurdles. The first one is the visa application process takes a little bit longer for certain regions such as Europe, United States, etc. However, After the APAC meeting, I think there will be improvements on the visa application side. The second one is the flight capacity. As of Q3, the flight capacity only recovered 50%. We hope going forward, the flight capacity will further improve. So with the visa application process being improved, as well as the increased flight capacity, we believe next year, Albon will grow even stronger compared to this year. Thank you.
spk18: Thank you. Next, we have Simon Chun from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
spk14: Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I have two questions. I think in the consumer space, the trade-down seems to be a buzzword for everyone. Wondering whether you have observed a similar trend for this trade-down, whether it's for corporate travel or for leisure travel. And by the same tokens, to the extent that I think outbound travel is a higher ticket item, how do you feel this trade-down trend will affect the pace of outbound travel going forward? That's the first question. And then the second question is, I think you have been able to preserve your sales and marketing expenses to send your revenue quite steadily at about 20% for quite a few quarters. I remember in the last couple of quarters, you've been talking about maybe having to spend a bit more going forward. How are you thinking about these in the near term and Correspondingly, we keep hearing all these Douyin competitions, whether you can share any comment on that front as well. Thank you.
spk07: Sure. So for the first question, in the leisure segment, we have, to be honest, we have seen no signs. So far, we have seen no signs of consumption downward. and the average travel spending on our platform continues to exceed the 2019 level, both for new and existing users on a like-for-like basis. In the business segment, corporate travelers have also been spending more than what they did back in 2019. Looking at the long run, we are still confident in China's travel demand because on the supplier side, the ongoing expansion of air, rail, and highway networks, along with investments in other travel infrastructures in China, lay a strong foundation for the travel industry's prosperity. While on the demand side, we see leisure travel spending evolving from cyclical to more secular, driven by increasing disposable income and a consumption shift from goods to services and experiences. In addition, OTA stands to gain from increased online penetration. Although the business travel is typically more close tied to the economic activities and maybe impact by economic concerns, but we also see significant opportunities for us as more businesses will adopt managed corporate travel services to optimize their travel budget. For the second question, the sales marketing expenses, our marketing efficiencies have seen significant improvement this year, primarily due to enhanced conversion and cross-selling efforts. Additionally, we made significant savings due to the strong release of pent-up demand. We do expect an increase in marketing spending as a percentage of revenue in the Q4 following typical low seasonality in the fourth quarter. And also as part of our efforts to normalize the marketing spending to stimulate future growth. And in the long run, we are quite consistently committed to an ROI-driven marketing investments approach, striving to balance the efficiency gains and the long-term investment needs in the overseas markets, as well as the opportunities in the lower tier cities in China. And with regard to the competition with the content I think so far what we observe, the competitive landscape in China domestic market is generally steady with some seasonal fluctuations in the marketing intensities among players. And I think OTA and content platform have totally different co-competence. Content platform excel at producing creative content and sharing information, make them effective at promoting trending products. However, most of the content platform, they lack very strong back-end system to fulfill the booking capabilities. While OTA's core competence are firstly in the standard supplier chain, And also, more importantly, the capabilities to provide reliable services. Therefore, of course, we will always be sensitive in terms of the competitions in the market. But at the end of the day, what we need to always focus is to further strengthen our co-competence. Thank you.
spk14: Thanks a lot for sharing. Thank you.
spk18: Thank you. Next, we have Alex Yao from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
spk16: Good morning, management, and thank you for taking my question. First of all, congrats on a rock-solid quarter. You today, you guys have delivered very impressive margin improvements relative to the historical level. Can you talk us through how did you achieve the current margin structure? For example, can you break down the margin structure across domestic outbound to international between now and the same period, 2019? And as we look into 2024, apparently the outbound, which is a higher margin business, will very likely outgrow the domestic business. How should we think about the margin structure into 2024 and beyond? Thank you.
spk07: Thank you, Alex. In general, because we have very strong brand awareness, and the market share in the China market for both China domestic as well as China outbound. We have a very healthy margins to serving the China market. And in the international market, we grow very fast. But still, at current stage, we are still in the investment cycle. But at the same time, we will balance the investment versus improving and toward a more healthy margin for the international market. Yes, you are correct. Moving into the year 2024, we think the outbound travel percentage as a percentage of the total revenue contribution to the whole group will definitely going forward And Albon traditionally is a more healthy or higher margin business for us. But I think the margin level that we achieved this year, there's some special factors impacted. Because especially in the first half of this year, and the strong rebound is to some extent out of our own expectation. So in terms of readiness on both the service as well as the sales marketing, we have comparatively limited preparation to serve much higher than expected rebound, market rebound. So to be honest, our operating margin, especially high operating margin, especially for the first half of this year, is even higher than the normalized level. So next year, with the business moving into more normalized level, we should make investment, enough investment in both the service as well as the sales marketing effort. Our marketing expenditure will increase slightly to fuel the future growth of the business. Our margin level, operating margin level, will trend down a little bit compared with first half of this year. But in general, there's other factors like the increase of the outbound and continuously improved margins in the international market will also help us to balance the to balance the total operating margin moving into the next year. So in a longer period, we think we will definitely achieve. Previously, we have given guidance to our shareholders that we will achieve the margin level to the 20% to 30% level. We already achieved that level this year. and we have the full confidence to continuously to maintain a healthy margin level moving forward. Thank you.
spk18: Thank you. Next, we have Jian Xiao from Barclays. Please go ahead. Thank you.
spk12: Thank you very much for taking my questions. I have two, if I may. Let me add my congrats as well for the strong results. You have had, I think, at least three, four quarters of very strong results since the COVID restrictions got lifted. I think some of the investors are a bit worried that, oh, is this because the pent-up demand jumped and then growth would be tapering off like some of your peers have seen in the West? I was hoping you could share with us your thoughts about why that's not going to be the case, why the growth you mentioned about growth to continue in 2024 and beyond. If you can share with us your thoughts around the longer term, sort of three-year horizon, growth drivers, growth rate, that would be great. And a related question to the margin question you just expanded earlier, Your gross margins reached like 82% for the last three quarters. Is there any reason, and you talk about investment in sales and marketing, but that's sort of below the gross margin line. Is there any reason we should not expect the gross margin stay where they are? And were there structural reasons behind a recent increase in gross margins? Thank you.
spk05: Thanks for your question. First of all, we look at our growth in the long term. So there are a couple of baselines we look at. The first one is the GDP growth rate. So if the GDP growth rate is somewhere between 4% to 5%, we believe the travel industry will outpace the GDP growth rate by a couple of percentage because people who can afford to travel normally makes more higher income. So travel probably will grow at about 8% to 10%. And we will also outpace the travel industry growth by being more efficient, by moving more offline to online. So somewhere around three to four times the GDP growth rate is what our team is aiming at. Therefore, we cannot say, you know, the short term what we want to do. But in the long run, that is the goal for our team to strive for. So we always plan our business three years to four years out. in order to make very consistent investment. If you look at the COVID three years, our engineering team made tremendous progress during the slowdown season. That is why when the industry recover, we're able to take care of the pandemic demand. So we believe the growth into the next three to five years is very sustainable. Secondly, on the margin, we believe the healthy and sustainable growth margin is our goal. In the short term, if you want to even grow the market and margin higher, we can do that. But we didn't want to do it in a way that we sacrifice the long-term investment. So we are committed to grow our business with healthy margin between 20% to 30%. And we will continuously make long-term investment, particularly in the area of product engineer and also customer services. So that's the promise we have for our customers, for our partners, and for our shareholders. Thank you.
spk18: Thank you. Next. We have Wei Xiong from UBS. Please go ahead.
spk17: Hi, good morning, management. Thank you for taking my question and congrats on a solid quarter. My question is regarding our pure international business, especially on the side. I was wondering could management share the current revenue contribution from to the group revenue and how should we think about its growth in the next three to five years? Also, in addition, what are our strategies to continue achieving such high growth? Thank you.
spk07: Sure. Tryptocon represents approximately 6% of the total group revenue in the Q3, and its revenue contribution has been steadily approaching that of Skyscanner. And we expect Tryptocon to surpass Skyscanner in terms of revenue contribution in the near future. With regard to the growth strategy, in the next three to five years, we expect that will maintain a robust mid-double-digit growth rate, becoming one of the primary growth drivers for the whole group. In terms of different markets in Asia, is targeting to become the leading OTA. The combined size of its top market in the Asian Pacific region exceed that of the mainland China in terms of total growth booking. And has already established a pretty solid foothold in this region with comprehensive local operations. Despite starting with a comparatively small market share, is confident in expanding its presence through its all-in-one mobile app. competitive offerings, high-quality services, and we will continuously grow our brand awareness in this region. And in the euro market, our near-term focus is more on the air travel. The air market in Europe is about twice the size of China's in terms of gross booking. This represents a significant opportunity for the group to capitalize through synergies among different brands within the group. Furthermore, we are strategically expanding our service offering into other markets while upholding our ally return standards.
spk10: Thank you.
spk18: Thank you. Next, we have James Lee from Mizuho, please go ahead.
spk11: Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Can you guys maybe talk about, maybe elaborate your strategy and plans to continue GainShare in the OTA space? Where do you see the most substantial opportunity? Now, in relation to those opportunities, are details
spk05: foundational investment already made to drive those share gains or do you need to kind of accelerate the investment pace to capitalize the opportunity thanks so much thanks James we look at different regions with different angles for domestic we further provide excellent product for our high quality of the customers by enhancing our customer services and product innovations. And for the third tier, fourth tier cities, we further penetrate into these cities by offering the product that with lots of incentives in service and pricing. So we believe domestic China will still have a long way to go in terms of serving 1.4 billion customers. The second opportunity is outbound customers with the supply side, which includes the visa applications, as well as the flight capacity improving, will be able to take more customers abroad and enable them to see the rest of the world. The third part is the global customers, because the inventory we developed for our album customers can also be utilized by our global customers. We'll be able to empower the customers from overseas to travel abroad. So different segments, we look at different opportunities. But for each segment, we feel there is a lot of upside. for us to drive to. And we will make sure we make investment to address our customers' needs, particularly in product and engineering and services. Our customers from different regions will have different requests. The majority of the investments are being made. We just need to continuously make improvements so that our customers' new requests are being addressed. Thank you.
spk11: Thank you.
spk18: Thank you. Next, we have Paraj John from HSBC. Please go ahead.
spk01: Hi. Thank you. Hi, Jay and Michelle. Thank you for taking my question. And if I may shift your focus more towards capital return policy, and it's a very, very welcome move. I just wanted to understand how shall we think about your balance sheet, let's say, in two years' time or in the medium to longer term? Would you still want to carry a net cash balance sheet? Or given a steady state of your business, given the yield difference between the China market and the rest of the world, do you think that you probably will be slightly more aggressive in terms of your buyback and return policy? And secondly, for your international business, How do you see the M&A market? And do you see any opportunity for and Skyscanner to jump frog in terms of overall relevance for the group through M&A? Thank you.
spk07: Sure. Thank you. For the first question, our board of directors has approved the multiple share buyback plan several years ago. and with no expiration date. As previously discussed, there was approximately US dollar 505 million of the quotes still unused before our current repurchase. And in the last quarter, the rapid business growth in this year has significantly improved our cash flow Additionally, we have increased our overseas cash reserves, ensuring we have sufficient funds for the buyback without affecting our regular operations. And the recent share price volatility due to purely external factors has resulted in a generally low valuation, making it a suitable time for us to make this buyback. And going forward, we plan to proceed with the buyback without a specific timeline or price target as long as our overseas cash reserves remain sufficient for operational needs as well as the short-term debt obligations. And with regard to the M&A strategy for the international market, we are quite confident that we already have almost the best assets in the international market to fuel our future growth. So we will pretty much focus to grow our market outside of China from the organic growth, and most importantly, to maximize the synergies among different brands within the group. Thank you.
spk01: Perfect. Thank you so much.
spk18: Thank you. Next, we have Thomas Chung from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
spk13: Hi, good morning. Thanks, management, for taking my questions and congratulations on a solid set of results. My question is about the trend in operating expenses. Given that we have seen product development expenses increased significantly quarter on quarter versus 2019. What factors actually contribute to this growth and how should investors project this pattern going forward? Thank you.
spk07: Thank you, Thomas. The product development expense is primarily comprised of personal related costs, especially the engineering team. In Q3, the total number of employees in product development remained significantly lower than the levels in 2019, and the increase in expenses was mainly due to the performance-based bonus in recognition of the outstanding achievement during the quarter. And we anticipate that the absolute dollar amount of the product development expenses will decrease sequentially in the Q4 just because of the seasonality. And as Jane explained, we are targeting to grow our business in the long run. So going forward, we are continuously to balance our growth, healthy growth, as well as to control our total cost at a reasonable level that we achieved in the past few quarters. Thank you.
spk18: Thank you. Next, we have Ellie Jang from Macquarie. Please go ahead.
spk03: Good morning, management. Thank you for taking my question. I just would like to understand a bit more about our overseas product Could you comment on's current profitability and how will it look like in the next three to five years or in the longer run? Thank you.
spk06: Sure.
spk07: Taking into account all the markets that is currently operating in, has already achieved a break-even on a contribution margin basis, excluding fixed costs. and the shared cost on the group level. Moreover, our business contribution continuously with our business continues to scale up. The profitability will consistently improve across markets. With regard to the margin of different markets, in Asia Pacific regions, is project to be breakeven within the next two to three years on a net profit level, while in the rest of the world, our current primary focus is still to increase's incremental contribution to the group, which has been showing consistent improvement in the past few years.
spk10: Thank you. Thank you.
spk18: Next, we have Kang X. Hyun from TH Capital. Please go ahead.
spk04: Yeah, management. Congratulations on a good quarter. This is Tian. So I have two questions. One is related to the profit level. So you mean the profit level can maintain the current and continue to improve. So I just want to understand what part of your P&L can drive up the improvement, how the revenue and cost and expense structure will be to lead that improvement. That is the first question. The second question is related to your AI. So my understanding is The AI at this point is much more a cost center and is much more like a revenue or profit center. So can management elaborate a little bit about your AI in which part of your AI practice is a profit center or revenue center? Thank you.
spk05: Sure. I will say for Cindy, I will take the first question and I will take the second question. Thank you.
spk07: In terms of the long-term profitability of the business, we expect to overcome our current short-term high base and to drive the long-term margin expansion, mainly through operational scalability as well as the favorable revenue mix. For example, in the long run, we think AI probably is one of the key drivers for us to help us to continuously to improve our operational efficiency in the service center. And we are, in the long run, we are confident of achieving a margin that is comparable to our international global peers. Jane?
spk05: Yeah, so for the tax Second question on AI, we use AI for mainly four areas. The first way is to improve user interface. I think the Trip Genie really enable our customers to find their relevant and tailor-made products much easier. The second way is to improve the efficiency for our engineering team by using co-pilot. The third way is also to improve our efficiency for content generation and make sure all the content and the recommendation list are accurate and based on the reliable data. And lastly, we also are using AI to further improve our efficiency for customer service teams. So these are the four areas which we are focalizing our AI capability, and we will make investment accordingly. Thank you.
spk04: Okay. May I ask one more question? So the question is about your announced share repurchase plan. So I understand you guys think the valuation is undervalued, and I agree with you. But isn't there a better use of U.S. dollars? You know, for example, the US, you know, government's short-term debt is already reaching almost 6% of the yield. So, if you buy back your own shares, you're sure you can, you know, generate more than 6% yield. So, I just want to, you know, think about, you know, want to ask a question. So, do you think buy back share versus investing in the back yield? you know, which one is a better option?
spk07: Yeah, thank you for your question. To be honest, we are, ever since we established, we always in the travel industry. And I think the reason that our investor invests us is not because we have the expertise to make investments. Rather, actually, we are the experts in the travel industry. So we should be, as always, be very consistently focused on our core business, which is travel. And make investment in ourselves is the top opportunity, is the best opportunity for our shareholders. Thank you.
spk18: Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I will now hand the conference back to Michelle for closing remarks. Thank you.
spk06: Thank you. Thanks. everyone for joining us today you can find a transcript and webcast of today's call on we look forward to speaking with you on the fourth quarter of 2023 earnings call thank you and have a nice day thank you this concludes today's conference thank you all for participating you may now disconnect

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