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spk07: afternoon everyone and thank you for participating in the metals corporate company fourth quarter and full year 2022 corporate update conference call joining us today are the metals company chairman and chief executive officer gerard barron and chief financial officer craig sheshke following their remarks we'll open the call for your questions before we go further i would like to turn the call over to cfo Craig Chesky, as he reads the company safe harbor statement within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 that provides important cautions regarding forward looking statements and information about the use of non-GAAP measures. Craig, please go ahead.
spk06: Thank you. Please note that during this call, certain statements made by the company will be forward looking and based on management's beliefs and assumptions from information available at this time. These statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties, many of which may be beyond our control, including those set forth in our safe harbor provisions for forward-looking statements that can be found at the end of our fourth quarter 2022 corporate update press release. Such statements may also be found in our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2021, and other reports subsequently filed with the SEC, including our upcoming 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2022, all that provide further detail about the risks related to our business. Additionally, please note that the company's actual results may differ materially from those anticipated, and except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statement. Our remarks today may also include non-GAAP financial measures, including with respect to free cash flows, and additional details regarding these non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures, can be found in the slide deck being used with this call. The slide deck is now available on our website at investors.metals.co. I will now turn it over to Jared Barron, TMC's chairman and chief executive officer. Jared, please go ahead.
spk03: Thank you, Greg, and good afternoon, and thank you all for joining us today for our fourth quarter 2022 corporate update call. You're welcome to follow along with our slide deck, or if you're joining us by phone, you can access it at any time at investors.nettles.co. The fourth quarter saw some incredible and historic milestones for TMC, Nori, and our strategic partner and shareholder, Allseas. The single biggest milestone, of course, was the first integrated collection and lift of polymetallic nodules in the CCZ since the 1970s, in which 4,500 tons of nodules were collected and over 3,000 tons were lifted to the surface. But it wasn't just about collecting nodules. The test and the monitoring campaign, running in parallel, also collected over 200 terabytes of environmental data. And that data will help us better understand absolute impacts of nodule collection, while lifecycle analysis can help us better understand relative impacts. On that front, the full benchmark lifecycle analysis previewed on our last call but now released in full after third-party review shows that the Nori-D project model performed better in almost every impact category analyzed than all land-based routes chosen for comparison. But we're not alone in the quest to provide the environmental and social guideposts for the responsible use of seafloor resources. And we were very pleased to announce in February that we joined a group of roughly 25 participants to develop an ESG handbook for marine minerals, the first of its kind in this area. And then earlier this month, we announced that Bechtel, a global leader in engineering, procurement and construction, will collect and compile the techno-economic studies being done by various consultants, which are required for Nori to lodge its application for an exploitation contract with the ISA. And even in its early stages, we've already seen this partnership open many doors for us, given the instant credibility that comes with the Bechtel name. Also this month, we announced a non-buy-me MOU with Pacific Metals Company, or PAMCO, in Japan to evaluate the tolling of 1.3 million tons of wet polymetallic nodules per year at PAMCO's Henshin-Oi smelting facility starting in 2025. This is another example of capital light approach to get into production as it takes advantage of an existing facility with minimal required capex. And we'll dive deeper on this a bit later on. And finally, I'm pleased to announce some further developments on the financing front. Our partner and shareholder, Allseas, has made available to us a $25 million unsecured credit facility, maturing in May 2024. The interest rate, if drawn today, would be just under 8%, and there is a 4% per annum fee on undrawn amounts. We've been clear about our intentions to explore asset level financing options and minimize dilution to shareholders. But as we continue those longer term financing discussions, it's extremely helpful to have this additional tool for shorter term liquidity. We also announced a strategic partnership with low carbon royalties in which we contributed a 2% gross overriding royalty on Nori in exchange for $5 million and a 35% equity stake in LCR, and importantly, a right to repurchase up to 75% of the royalty at a fixed IRR return. And in the coming years, LCR has the potential to be an important additional source of capital to bring Nori-D and other TMC projects into production, given their talented management team's track record of valuation creation and accretive deal-making. Finally, you may have seen the news in December We put in place a $30 million ATM program to potentially issue shares opportunistically in the open market with the help of our bankers at Stiefel and Wedbush. This tool provides us flexibility and optionality, but make no mistake, it is not our intention to use this as a primary financing tool. And when we report our Q1 results in May, you can expect that the drawn amount then will be the same as it is today, zero. So on the agenda, we're going to take you through the following items on the call. An overview of the recent headlines in the market, a regulatory update, an update on the Nori-D project, a recap of our near-term milestones, and our financial update. So anyone scanning the press on the topic of deep sea nodules would have noticed a large pickup in coverage recently from the likes of the New York Times, Bloomberg, Reuters, and a very worthwhile piece from Stephen Levine in The Electric just this week which I'd recommend, it's hard sometimes to cut through all of the noise and the vocal and well-funded minority is likely to get louder as the ISA progress continues. But amidst this noise, there have been some strong signals and real action taken by credible companies and countries. Belgian's contractor GSR announced investment from leading offshore contractor Transocean who will also provide GSR with the Samsung 10,000 drill ship Olympia for conversion into a nodule production vessel ahead of its system integration test currently scheduled for 2025. And Norway recently announced a major discovery of critical minerals on the seabed off its continental shelf, as it considers permitting offshore exploration within its EEZ. In December 2022, Japan announced plans to possibly begin extracting rare earth elements from the mud on the Western Pacific's deep sea bottom as early as 2024, budgeting $44 million for trial extraction equipment. There were also some attention-grabbing headlines regarding China's action on deep sea nodules. In February, China's Comra signed an extension of their CCZ contract exploration contract. And just this month, China's state-owned newspaper recognized TMC's leadership position in the industry and announced its intention to invest further into the development of technologies to recover polymetallic nodules. But while the Chinese and Russian-funded production dominates the nickel picture on land, that's not the case for seafloor nodules. Herein lies the opportunity for nations and companies worried about supply chain security for battery metals. Collectively, our Nori and Toml projects rival today's largest producers, both in Russia and Indonesia. And Nori and Toml were ranked earlier this year by mining.com as the world's largest undeveloped nickel projects. Larger than other projects in the pipeline in Canada and the U.S., and about an order of magnitude higher in grade. And speaking of grade, this chart, excuse me, plots the nickel equivalent grade on the Y axis and nickel equivalent resource size on the X axis, comparing some of the more prevalent nickel projects for which data is available. And focusing on the bubbles in gray, some nickel projects have high grade and some have a large resource, but very few have both. TMC is an absolute outlier amongst peers with the largest nickel equivalent resource and the highest nickel equivalent grade. The scale of our resource can also be measured in terms of how big of a gap it can fill in the clean energy transition. With each little car on this page representing the metal required to electrify 1 million vehicles with a 75 kilowatt battery on an NMC811 chemistry. Our NORI and TOML areas contain in situ quantities of nickel, copper, cobalt, and manganese equivalent to the requirements of about 280 million vehicles or roughly the entire US passenger fleet. And to deliver on energy transition goals, Countries like the U.S. need to tap unconventional resources like nodules that can truly move the needle for nickel-rich battery chemistries. Shifting gears, as some of you may have read, U.N. member states reached a landmark agreement this month focused on the conservation and sustainable use of marine biodiversities of area beyond national jurisdiction, or BBNJ as we know it. The High Seas Treaty, as it is known, took roughly two decades of negotiation, and we applaud the commitment of member states to protect 30% of our ocean by the end of the decade. But I would remind our listeners that the International Seabed Authority has already exceeded this target with 43% of the Clarion-Clipton Zone of the Pacific Ocean, home to 90% of all nodule exploration activity, set aside for protection. far more than is under exploration. There has been some confusion as to the implications of the new treaty for deep sea mining. The short answer is that the treaty neither impacts the mandate of the ISA as regulator, nor the rights and responsibilities of sponsoring states and contractors. As we speak, the ISA session is in progress in Kingston, Jamaica, with the focus on the financial regime, regulations, and standards and guidelines, working hard to stick to the roadmap that has been laid out on this page. We're encouraged by much of what we're hearing from our team on the ground regarding the progress in this ongoing session, and we'll have a lot more to report after the session concludes on our next quarterly update call in May. Earlier this month, we announced that Bechtel will collect and compile the techno economic studies currently being compiled by various consultants, which are required for Nori to lodge its application for an exploitation contract with the ISA. And with their extensive experience working on historic infrastructure and mining projects, it's incredibly exciting to have a partner of Bechtel's caliber on board to help Nori deliver a first of its kind exploitation contract application to the ISA and ultimately bring this important resource of energy transition metals online in a responsible way. So with the help of another of our industry leading partners, Hatch, we developed a near zero waste flow sheet that uses almost all of the nodules mass while producing zero tailings. And the products on the right side of the page are what you get after the refining process. And while we've developed the flow sheet as well, we may or may not take that extra step, given that some future customers may prefer to take the alloy or mat directly. Our pilot processing trials wrapped up in Q4 2021, showing definitively that we can turn that flow sheet into a reality. And over the last year, we've been searching for the right partner to help us from pilot stage to commercial stage production. We previously announced that we were exploring the possibility of building a new nodule processing facility in India with the help of Epsilon Carbon. And we still might find a way to work together in the future, but another opportunity presented itself last year, a turnkey option to potentially process our nodules in an RKF facility, which already exists. Earlier this month, we announced that we had signed a non-binding MOU with PAMCO, of Japan to evaluate the tolling of 1.3 million tons or more of polymetallic nodules per annum at their Japanese smelting facility study in 2025. PAMCO will undertake the studies to estimate the cost of processing nodules using their existing facilities and to identify any additional equipment requirements which are currently expected to be minimal. In fact, a 22-ton sample of the nodules collected in last year's test has already been offloaded at the facility for testing. PAMCO have been smelting nickel laterite ore at their facility since 1965, and its plant seems well-suited to deploy our near-zero solid waste flow sheet, particularly because these nodules behave very similarly to nickel laterites in the smelting process. And working with PAMCO can help us achieve our stated capital light strategy to get into initial commercial production, potentially reducing both our time to market and our upfront costs. As a reminder, Nori-D is the first project we are developing. It represents about 22% of our total estimated resource. And so far, we've invested over a decade of network and $300 million on this project. This slide lays out some of the key attributes of the NORI-D project, which gives a sense of how much progress has been made and why it's of increasing interest among strategic partners. As I mentioned, we were pleased to report in the fourth quarter that Allseas and NORI achieved all significant pilot collection system milestones while collecting approximately 4,500 tons of seafloor polymetallic nodules, and over 3,000 tons were lifted up the 4.3 kilometer long riser to the hidden gem vessel. The pilot system achieved a sustained production rate of 86.4 tons per hour and gave us valuable operational data to inform future system optimizations and upgrades. And the Project Zero system will be targeting an average production rate of over 200 tons per hour following some modification. I'd like to play a short video where you can hear from the TMC and Allseas team on board the vessel, just a few of the team members among the hundreds who made this historic achievement a reality. And for anyone on the audio call only, this will take about three minutes.
spk00: Here the GEM is Olsi's first deep sea mining vessel which is a converted drilling vessel. It has a crew on board of 130 people. We have just completed the first pilot project for Olsis which was in conjunction with TMC. This was on the Nori D field in the Pacific where we had to collect nodules at a depth of over 40 kilometers.
spk02: My background is primarily deep water exploration and production systems in the oil and gas industry. And that technology has been the basis for the designs for our riser system and the collector system that Aussies have designed in-house and built in-house.
spk01: The collector is divided into three systems, the pickup system, the processing system and the transfer system. My job on board was to commission these systems and the pumps in these systems to be able to pick up the nodules as efficiently as possible and to reduce the sediment intake into the collector. The collector uses hydraulic flow to pick up nodules and transport them into the hopper. In the hopper they settle through the bottom and then they are transported upwards through the vertical transport system.
spk00: The collector has been doing really, really good collecting the nodules, driving over the seabed. We did all kinds of different tests with different speeds, curves, you name it. With our engineers we collected data on collector and vertical transport system and with the scientists we also have been doing some sampling for environmental reference for obtaining the commercial license in future. I've been part since the beginning of the conversion so it was really nice to be part of the whole so also have seen eventually that the nodders came to deck. I mean that was a great feeling at that point.
spk01: We have learned a lot from this project and will be using all information we learned to design a larger collector for Project Zero. For me personally, it was really nice to work on this project. I've learned a lot and I will be designing a new collector for Project Zero as well.
spk02: The performance of the system is far exceeded expectations. Everybody had worked so hard and this was the end product. To see the nodules on board at last. To do this through a vertical transport system up a riser is a great achievement for OCS and TMC.
spk03: There was also an environmental impact monitoring campaign that monitored every part of the collector test you just saw as part of our $100 million Nori D EFIA program. We're working with some of the world's leading marine research institutions to amass one of the most comprehensive data sets ever compiled of the deep sea, some of which are highlighted on this page. During the collector test, scores of independent scientists and marine experts monitored the operations from a dedicated research vessel. The initial data generated during the two monitoring campaigns form part of a broader data set gathered during the 16 offshore environmental baseline and resource definition campaigns conducted by TMC since 2012 as part of its environmental and social impact assessment for the NORI-D project. Our team is preparing to submit the first batch of this data to the ISA And we expect that it is likely the most extensive deep sea data set of its kind on the planet. As mentioned earlier, the ISA is well ahead of the curve when it comes to marine protected areas, as you can see in box one. In addition to these, various mitigation strategies are available to us. The process of upgrading the pilot collection system we had in the water last year to a full scale commercial system is already underway. And the expert engineers at Allseas are leveraging the data and learnings from our offshore trials to optimize designs to further reduce our impacts, including plume and noise generation. We're pioneering a precautionary approach to development of this project and simultaneously undertaking a rigorous process of stakeholder engagement and public consultation. The data gathered from our offshore campaigns has and will continue to advance society's understanding of the deep sea in the CCZ, and the potential impacts of our operations in this region. And this data is also central to the development of safe operating parameters being developed in partnership with CSIRO and NIWA on the Adaptive Management System, or AMS, as we know it. The first iteration of the AMS performed beautifully during the integrated collector test, And the teams are busy iterating and improving the system, which will serve as the virtual eyes and ears of our operations. Of course, what often gets missed in the media reporting on the environmental impacts is that there is simply a lot less life to begin with in this part of the ocean. We're talking about 1,500 times less biomass per square meter when compared to the biodiverse rainforests under which most future nickel supply would otherwise come from. Indonesia and as we've been saying for years these nodules come with no social displacement no deforestation no digging no blasting no drilling no child or forced labor and importantly no tailings so rather than just talk about it we took action and engaged a blue chip metals research firm benchmark to undertake a lifecycle assessment of the environmental impacts of the nori D project and and how they compared to producing the same metals from conventional land oils using typical processing routes. This life cycle analysis, which has now undergone third party review as well, is linked in our press release this week. It's 227 pages long, and there's also a shorter form version. But let me summarize. The results are staggering. Across every single impact category measured, the nickel products derived from nodules outperformed every land-based source in this analysis, including carbon and waste impacts. We didn't even need to measure tailings impact because we will produce zero tailings. A similar life cycle analysis was also done on our future copper and cobalt supply. Again, nodules came out on top for both metal products other than two categories within cobalt in which we took second place. Zooming in on one metric, The graph shows the global warming potential per kilogram of nickel in nickel sulfate, with the Nori-D project having the lowest footprint of all assessed alternatives, lowering emissions by between 70 to 80% on average, including with 70% lower global warming potential. And of course, the beauty of assessing our project's impacts before it even begins is that we can work diligently to improve its environmental profile well in advance of commencing commercial operations. This study is part of the growing chorus of information based on science and real-world field data, which support the case for nodules as a key enabler of the clean energy transition. And I'd now like to turn it over to Craig to discuss project economics, valuation, and our financial results.
spk06: Thank you, Jared. So the starting place, as always, for valuation is our NPV. And in March 2021, AMC Consultants issued an SEC Regulation SK-1300 compliant initial assessment of the project economics for the Nori D area. The Nori initial assessment is available in the investor section of our website, and the Nori Area D financial model can be found beginning on page 310 of that PDF document. But for modeling purposes, we've also now added the Excel tables from this initial assessment as a separate document. Just look for the Excel icon as you scroll down. And that initial assessment, which was a point-in-time analysis, arrived in a net present value of $6.8 billion for Nori-D at the beginning of 2021. But if you run that same model simply by updating it for current metal prices, the net present value of Nori-D would be approximately $13 billion, again, on just 22% of our total estimated results. Looking back on 2022, we haven't had all of them, but we've completed most of our stated milestones, particularly those on the project development side. We do have more work to do to sign some definitive agreements on project zero. And we've talked about some of the new partnerships on that front, and we're happy with where the discussions are headed. We've also been very pleased to share the results of the benchmark LCA study with potential off takers. Now the next page lays out some of the critical milestones that we think can and should lead to step changes in our public evaluation. These next critical milestones include, of course, continued progress from the ISA, working as we speak on the final exploitation regulations, NORI submitting an exploitation application for the NORI-D area, The ISA then granting an exploitation contract over the Nori-D area. And then finally, the beginning of commercial production shortly thereafter. So when you look at us in the public markets and wonder why it is we're still trading around one, one and a half percent of net present value, we think progress on those milestones will get us trading to where we should relative to public comparables, 20, 30, 40 percent of net present value at this stage of production. And on to financial results. In the last quarter of 2022, TMC reported a net loss of $109.6 million, 41 cents per share, compared to TMC's net loss of $19.8 million, or 9 cents per share, for the same period in 2021. The net loss for the last quarter of 2022 included exploration and evaluation expenses of $104.3 million versus $12.8 million in the fourth quarter of 2021. G&A expenses of $7 million versus $15.4 million in Q4 2021, partially upset by a gain of $1.3 million due to a decrease in the value of our warrants. There's a big difference, of course, between the fourth quarter of 22 and 21, and let's explain that. The increase in exploration expenses was mainly a result of a recording of $69.9 million for the all-seas warrant. And that was recorded at the March 2021 deep green share value date. And that was $7 per share, again, at that point in March 2021. So that, along with $8.7 million related to the 10.85 million shares issued to Altese as completion payment following the successful conclusion of the pilot collection system trial, those are really the big movers within that number. And we've laid out on the slides available on our website and on this webcast exactly how you can analyze and normalize those numbers and potentially back out. General and administrative expenses decreased in the last quarter of 2022 compared to the last quarter of 2021, reflecting a reduction in share-based compensation and a reduction in communication and advertising costs, partially offset by higher personnel, legal, and other expenses associated with being a public company. In the last quarter of 2022, the net cash used in operating activities amounted to $19.8 million, compared to $27.8 million for the last quarter of 2021. Excluding non-recurring items, pre-cash flow for the last quarter of 2022 was negative $20 million compared to negative $27.8 million in the last quarter of 2021. And again, keep in mind, these are quarters in which we had offshore campaigns, many hundreds of people at sea. This is not necessarily a run rate or useful for projections going forward. And in fact, as we said previously, we are a team of less than 40 people and can run a very tight ship if need be. And regarding our balance sheet as at December 31st, 2022, we closed the quarter with a cash balance of $46.8 million. And with that, I'll turn it back over to Jared for some closing remarks before our Q&A.
spk07: Thank you, Craig.
spk03: After the achievements we reported in November, we really focused on adding names to the ecosystem, working hard on this first-of-its-kind project. We've succeeded in adding more credibility to this project with the help of brand names like Benchmark, PAMCO, Bechtel, all of the participants in the ESG Handbook for Marine Minerals, and of course, the continued unwavering support of Allseas. Our focus for the next quarter and the rest of 2023 is to continue building partnerships, some of which can help on the financing front, and craft the best possible exploitation application contract. I know our team is up for the challenge. And speaking of our team, many of whom I know will be listening, I'd like to extend an enormous thank you for their dedication and enormous effort to this important mission. So thank you for your interest and attention. And with that, we'd like to turn it back to the operator for any Q&A.
spk07: Certainly. Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a live audio question at this time, please press star 11 on your telephone. If your question has been answered and you'd like to remove yourself from the queue, simply press star 11 again. Once again, if you have a question, please press star 11. Once again, if you have a question, please press star 11. And one moment for our first question. Our first question comes in the line at Dimitri Silverstein from Water Tower Research. Your question, please.
spk05: Good afternoon, gentlemen. Thank you for taking my question. I have a couple. First of all, on this PAMCO agreement, how long do you expect the PAMCO to actually trial the tons that you sent it and come up with an economic flow sheet on whether or not it can be done and at what cost?
spk03: Yeah, hi, Dimitri. Look, PAMCO have been working for a little while on some samples that we had previously sent them. And so we expect to be in a position later this year, hopefully by the third quarter, to move to a binding MOU, which will also cover off all of the economics that go with that. So you can expect news in a reasonably short time frame there. You know, PAMCO have an enormous expertise when it comes to processing nickel ores. And of course, the work that we did in our pilot program was a good platform. And so we have a high degree of confidence that we'll have a good outcome there.
spk05: Okay, that's good. Just to follow up on that, you mentioned that they're looking at processing 1.3 million tons a year, you said, or more. What's the capacity, you think, of the plant that they're thinking and the equipment that they're thinking of using? In other words, you know, can they process 2 million? Can they process 5 million? Sort of what's the limitation there with the current equipment?
spk03: Well, PAMCO had a beautiful facility. And some of my team and I were there recently. And, in fact, we've had some of the team has had many visits to the PAMCO facility. they run three lines and stage one will be dedicating one line to this project. And, but it is, the plan would be to utilize the other lines as well. And there is certainly room for expansion beyond those three lines. And so, you know, that could see us, you know, getting close to 4 million tons capacity there.
spk05: Got it. So 1.3 million is about the capacity of one line or thereabouts. And you have room to expand it if you, if there is enough, material that you could provide them to process. That's right. Okay. Secondly, let me switch gears a little bit and talk financials. So you got $5 million from low-carbon royalties. So that's going to bolster your cash position a little bit into 2023. And you have what looks like a range, a $25 million, I guess I can call it an 18-month float or so. You said by the end of 2024. So that, you know, that obviously gives you room to, to negotiate a more permanent and more robust financing structure. I'm guessing that that's still your intention and that's something that you're working on completing this year.
spk03: Yeah. As we mentioned, we we have a ATM in place and we have you know, we had many approaches from people wanting to participate in an equity raise, but you know, we are very protective of equity and the, we were so delighted that all C's agreed to extend this credit facility because we do have a lot of people at the table and we, as we spend more money, it adds more certainty to the project. And it's a very conventional way for companies at our stage of development to finance their way into production by inviting other participants. And that could be people, larger mining companies or oil and gas companies or, logistics companies, or financial players into the asset itself. And of course, most of the money, like more than 80% of every dollar we spend is at the project level. And so we are working very hard on that. There are discussions that you don't want to rush. You want to let them play out naturally. And as we get closer, we find there are a lot more people sat at the table than there were even three months ago. And so we want to bring that to an to an orderly conclusion in the best interests of TMC equity holders.
spk05: Fair enough, Frank. Thank you. And then just the last question on the benchmark mineral intelligence report. I would assume it helps you with your efforts. You mentioned it certainly gives more gravitas to your claims of environmental impact, but I'm guessing that it also is perhaps contributing to greater level of interest from potential investors or, or even potential customers taking, you know, getting ready to take, you know, to, uh, uh, you know, to look at your material as a, as a takeoff agreement.
spk03: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we were, um, we, we of course completed an LCA some years ago, but the, the observers were saying, yeah, but you know, there are a couple of teams, see people part of that and, um, wasn't independent enough. So we said, okay, Let's go and hire someone who is entirely independent who can then put it out for peer review and see what it comes back with. And surprise, surprise, it came back with a result very similar to the quality piece of work that was done previously. But having an independent verification around that is really important because you can't just look at one aspect. You have to look through the lens of a multi-tiered LCA to look at a broad range of impact. And, you know, this project just shines at all levels. And so, you know, 227 pages of findings. I hope you get to read it because it's, you know, it's exciting. And it just highlights some of the benefits that this resource offers compared to the known alternatives.
spk05: Okay. Thank you for that, Frank. That's all the questions I have. And congratulations on a very active and productive year.
spk07: Thank you, Dimitri.
spk05: Thanks, Dimitri.
spk07: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Malcolm McDonald from Bank of America. Your question, please.
spk04: Hi, guys. Most of my questions were just answered, but kind of high level. And first of all, congratulations on the PAMCO, you know, capital life processing approach. high-level, why the change in tune from France?
spk03: Well, hi, Malcolm. Look, it's interesting, isn't it? I mean, 18 months ago, President Macron put aside 300 million euros to fast-track the development of their license area in the CCZ. And I think his words were something to the effect of, you know, I can hear the cries now that you know, we've got this big ocean resource, France needs to re industrialize, we need to secure our supply lines and create jobs. And for that, we're going to need a lot of metals. So why the turnaround? Look, I think you'd probably have to look at the political landscape and how that's changed in France. And, and I think that's happening in a lot of countries where, you know, the Green Party's having a heavy influence. And of course, France is a is a shining light when it comes to its nuclear energy generation, the lowest carbon form of energy. And so, you know, you can't help but think this might've been a trade-off and that we hope through the, you know, through the very thorough science that we're funding and other contractors are funding as well, not just us, that those green influences will actually swing our way because it's a, You know, we've seen in Europe this year with the heavy dependency on Russian gas that there are trade-offs that need to be made. And you look at countries that were heavily dependent on Russian gas having to fire up their coal-powered energy sources. I mean, it makes no sense. And so we hope through science-based evidence that we can build bridges and people can see the benefit of this resource and, of course, you know, the impacts of land-based nickel production in particular and mining in general are there for us all to see. They're just not well understood. And that's one of our challenges, of course, being able to communicate that effectively. But it was also interesting to see France renew their own license application earlier this year. And of course, that comes with an obligation to move towards exploitation in this five-year window. So some confusing signals there.
spk07: Thank you. I'm not showing any further questions from the phone lines at this time. I'd like to hand the program back to Craig.
spk06: Yeah, we have some questions in the webcast queue, which we'll take through. First of all, we have one from Ryan Bowley. Hi, Ryan. Hope you're doing well. Question is, do you expect to pay a dividend as other mining companies do once you're in that positive cash flow? Ryan, I like where your head's at. You know, we, of course, have some milestones to hit before we get to that point. But, you know, I think I would look to our capital like strategy. as evidence that shareholder returns are always going to be front of mind for us, including everything else that we consider with respect to all of our stakeholders. But as we get down the road and get into production and get to free cash flow positivity, one thing that we're going to have 22% of a resource portfolio. There might be financing opportunities where we're able to progress some of the rest of that 78%. For example, Tommel F is right next door to Nori D, has effectively the same metal grade, effectively the same nodule abundance per square meter. And the only difference is it's about 72% of the size of Nori D. So there are a lot of other blocks that I don't think the public markets are giving us credit for yet. And depending on where our share price is at the time, we might think it's a better return to invest, you know, any of the cash that we have back into the project. But we will always be doing those IRR and ROE calculations and making sure that we're doing what's best for our shareholders when it comes to our dividend and or share or purchase policy. We also have a question from Frank Jones at Norbury Partners. Yes, if we think about the 8.7 million payment to all Cs for the collector test as a rough estimate of cost associated with collection of 3,000 tons of nodules, how should we think about fixed and variable costs as we get closer to production? Look, we've laid out, Frank, a couple of data points publicly. If you go back to the initial assessment that we referenced before, and some of the slides are summarized and available on our website at our 2021 analyst state presentation, We laid out that at full scale steady state production on Nori D, you'd be expecting roughly $503 per ton of revenue versus roughly $200 per ton of total cost. Now that was a point in time analysis. Metal prices are much higher, costs are higher too. And keep in mind that when we're starting initial small-scale production on Project Zero, the economics are not going to be as high as that, which would imply 60% plus EBITDA margin. You're going to have to start a little bit smaller, but we are very confident. When we look at what our definitive agreement might look like with all seeds, when we look at where things might end up with PAMCO, we're feeling very good about what that's going to mean for our EBITDA margin and free cash flow positivity on Project Zero. One data point to look to, you know, in March 2022 in the non-binding term sheet signed with Allseas, it was guided to euro 150 per ton of costs initially for Project Zero to, first of all, new collection and then shipment to shore. Again, you know, costs are moving around all the time and it's based on market factors, but pretty much any scenario that we look to, we're going to have a nice healthy margin left over. I might also take a question here from Michael Breyer. We have $47 million of cash on hand. Run rate cash expense annually is $26 million to $74 million per year. So how do you finance the gap to 2025? Thank you for the question, Michael. I think it's important to keep in mind that, again, what you've seen over the last several quarters has been many hundreds of people at sea working tirelessly on a project, but now we're at the stage that the campaigns are mainly done. There are also, of course, we did the collector test, which was many months at sea and also had a second vessel. So the going forward costs for our company, you know, public company expenses and personnel costs, et cetera, we really think that if needed, we could, you know, get down below $5 million per quarter. So the gap that we need to fund is, you know, not many hundreds of millions of dollars. It's, you know, somewhere in the ballpark of $100 to $150 million of additional cash required to get into production. So with that number out there, we think, as we've shown with some of these financing options over the last few months, we're going to be able to do what we can to take step-by-step to funding that number and make sure that we're doing it with as low dilution as possible. It may be in the form of one big transaction, potentially with a partner, if you're talking about an earn-in or a stake sale or other asset-level possibilities.
spk04: But we have the tools at our disposal to get there many different ways. And one more question I see from Timothy Byrne.
spk06: Jared, if you might want to take this. The 3,000 metric tons of nodules, how are they being handled now? Are they still in the ship? We did mention 22 tons of it ended up at the Hachinohe facility in Japan for some testing with PAMCO. But Jared, maybe a comment or two on, you know, what we would intend to do with the rest.
spk03: Sure. some of them are still in the ship and some have been sent to partners and we're currently negotiating with Mexican authorities on storing them in a facility in Mexico. And so because we completed a lot of the trials in 2021 and 2022 on the pilot processing, we felt we needed to bring back nodules, but The truth is we can't sell them. They can only be used for testing. And yeah, so it's, they're kind of a, we're figuring out what to do with them, to be honest.
spk06: So with that, I think we'll turn it back over to the operator and wrap up the Q&A.
spk07: Certainly. Thank you. This does conclude the question and answer session. I'd like to hand the program back to management for any final remarks.
spk06: And nothing on our end other than thanks, everybody, for your interest and attention. And we'll see you on our Q1 corporate update call coming up in May.
spk07: Thank you. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation at today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.
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