TPG Inc.

Good morning and welcome to the TPG's second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Currently, all callers have been placed in a listen-only mode, and following management's prepared remarks, the call will be open for your questions. If you would like to ask a question at that time, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. If you need to remove yourself from the queue, press star two. To get to as many questions as time permits, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question. At any time, if you should need operator assistance, please press star zero. Please be advised that today's call is being recorded. Please go to TPG's IR website to obtain the earnings materials. I will now turn the call over to Gary Stein, head of investor relations at TPG. Thank you. You may begin.

Great. Thanks, operator. And welcome, everyone. Joining me this morning are John Winkle-Reid, Chief Executive Officer, and Jack Weingart, Chief Financial Officer. In addition, our Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Jim Coulter, and our President, Todd Szczycki, are also here and will be available for the Q&A portion of this morning's call. I'd like to remind you this call may include forward-looking statements that do not guarantee future events or performance. Please refer to TPG's earnings release and SEC filings for factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements. TPG undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements except as required by law. Within our discussion and earnings release, we're presenting GAAP and non-GAAP measures, and we believe certain non-GAAP measures that we discuss on this call are relevant in assessing the financial performance of the business. These non-GAAP measures are reconciled to the nearest GAAP figures in TPG's earnings release, which is available on our website. Please note that nothing on this call constitutes an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to purchase and interest in any TPG fund. Looking briefly at our results for the second quarter, we reported gap net income attributable to TPG Inc. of $15 million and after-tax distributable earnings of $268 million, or 69 cents per share of Class A common stock. We declared a dividend of 59 cents per share of Class A common stock, which will be paid on September 2nd, 2025 to holders of record as of August 18th, 2025. I'll now turn the call over to John.

Thanks, Gary. Good morning, everyone. Before we begin, we want to acknowledge the senseless act of violence that occurred at 345 Park Avenue last week. Our thoughts and prayers go out to those impacted by this tragedy and we stand in solidarity with our friends at Blackstone, Ridden Management, the New York Police Department, the NFL, and KPMG during this difficult time. To the first responders who acted swiftly and courageously, thank you. Moving to earnings, TPG delivered outstanding results in the second quarter, reflecting the strength and durability of our franchise. Our after-tax distributable earnings for the quarter increased 30% compared to last year, driven by our strong operating metrics. On a year-over-year basis, our second quarter fundraising grew nearly 80% to $11.3 billion, and deployment grew 36% to $10.4 billion, and realizations grew more than 20% to $6.5 billion. After quarter end, we completed our acquisition of Peppertree, and the integration process is well underway. We're excited to welcome our Pepperdry colleagues to TPG and to introduce our clients to this compelling digital infrastructure strategy. This morning, I'll discuss our momentum across fundraising, deployment, and realizations before turning the call over to Jack to cover our financial results. On the capital formation front, we have the second highest fundraising quarter in our history. On our last call, I highlighted the strength of our credit fundraising pipeline and then we were at an inflection point in our client dialogues. In the second quarter, we converted that momentum into $11.3 billion of capital raised, of which $5.4 billion was from our credit platform. Importantly, our second quarter numbers do not include any commitments for our flagship buyout funds, TPG Capital 10 and Healthcare Partners 3. We're seeing an acceleration of fundraising into the third quarter, and are increasingly confident that we will raise significantly more capital in 2025 than last year. I'll share some updates across our campaigns. In private equity, during the quarter we completed fundraising for TPG Growth 6, exceeding our $4 billion target to raise a total of $4.8 billion for the fund and affiliated vehicles. This represents a 35% increase over Growth 5, which is consistent with our track record of driving fund over fund growth across our strategies. In addition to continued support from existing clients, we meaningfully expanded our investor base outside of North America, particularly in the Middle East, Asia, and Latin America. Additionally, we are seeing strong early support for our second GP Solutions Fund, which we expect to be significantly larger than its predecessor. As a reminder, TGS is our GP-led secondary strategy focused on North America and Europe, and it's experiencing significant demand as GPs look for creative ways to drive liquidity for their strongest performing assets. We recently launched the TGS2 campaign and closed on $1.3 billion in the quarter. This early momentum is driven by the strong deployment and performance in our inaugural fund, which is now fully committed across 14 investments. In May, we also launched TPOP, our new perpetually offered private equity product, on two of the largest wire houses in the U.S. The initial feedback has been very positive, and we raised approximately $430 million across our first two closes in June and July. The GBG brand is resonating in the channel, and we are establishing a strong following, with more than 560 individual financial advisors participating in these closes. This is a great foundation to build upon as we scale TPOP and launch additional products over time. In credit, the second quarter was a record fundraising quarter with $5.4 billion of total capital raised across our strategies. In credit solutions, we closed an additional $1.4 billion of capital for our third flagship fund, bringing the total raise to date to $4 billion. Our market leadership and the opportunistic credit space further enhanced by our strong cross-firm collaboration continues to resonate with clients and our fundraising pipeline remains robust in middle market direct lending we held a first close of 1.4 billion for our sixth drawdown fund during the quarter due to twinbrook's leadership position in the lower middle market and a continued steady pace of originations we launched fundraising for our next vintage fund just seven months after the final close of its predecessor Twinbrook's differentiated portfolio, disciplined underwriting, and stable returns continue to resonate with both existing and new clients, resulting in a very strong initial close. And in structured credit, we raised $1.4 billion across our ABC drawdown and evergreen funds, as well as a number of SMAs. Demand for structured credit is high and continues to grow as clients are generally underweight and looking to diversify their exposure beyond corporate credit. additionally we continue to expand our product set into key areas such as private investment grade asset-backed securities in aggregate we are seeing significant broad-based momentum in credit fundraising and we expect 2025 to be a breakout year i also want to highlight the meaningful progress we've made in the insurance channel insurance contributed nearly 30 percent of the credit capital we raised in the second quarter primarily through our structured credit and credit solution strategies Our scaled and diversified credit platform has enabled us to deepen relationships with our existing insurance partners while also establishing new ones. As we continue to organically grow our insurance client base and commitments, we are also actively evaluating broader strategic partnerships and inorganic opportunities within the channel. While I'm very pleased with our capital formation during the second quarter, I'm even more enthusiastic as I look ahead. For TPC Capital 10 and Healthcare Partners 3, we're in the midst of a rolling first close where we expect to receive total commitments of approximately $9 billion. This strong result during a challenging private equity fundraising environment is a testament to the trust we've built with our clients through our distinct investment approach and excellent performance. While clients remain cautious and highly selective amidst ongoing macro uncertainty and muted distributions, Our market leadership and differentiated value proposition in private equity have driven strong absolute and relative fundraising results. Moving on to deployment, we had a robust quarter with more than $10 billion of capital invested, which increased 36% year over year. In TPG Capital, we announced the $2.2 billion take private of Avid Exchange, a leading provider of AP automation software and payment solutions in partnership with Corpay. This is another example of a creative win-win corporate partnership that offers significant downside protection. And after the quarter end, we close the carve-out of Sabre Corporation's hospitality solutions business, a leading technology solutions provider to the hospitality industry. Given our focus on vertical market software and the travel and leisure space, we are excited to drive transformational growth in the newly separated business. In Rise Climate, we recently announced a number of investments across Europe and Asia representing over $10 billion of total enterprise value. This includes Sysic Group, a pioneer in sustainable agriculture, Aurora Energy Research, a UK-based provider of data and analytics for the global energy markets, and Tecum, a leading digital first provider of sub-metering solutions. In credit, we deployed $4.3 billion of capital across our strategies in the second quarter. In structured credit, we continue to be a market leader in residential mortgage securitizations as one of the few managers who are vertically integrated in a space. We placed five issuances in the quarter across home equity, non-qualified mortgage, and agency-eligible collateral types to bring year-to-date securitizations to eight. Twinbrook generated $1.2 billion of gross originations in the second quarter. Add-ons made up nearly half of the activity in the quarter, demonstrating the power of Twinbrook's incumbency within its existing portfolio. And in credit solutions, we continue to see a growing pipeline of companies looking for solutions capital at scale. In July, we completed a $1 billion asset-backed term loan facility for Altice USA in partnership with Goldman Sachs. This is a first-of-its-kind transaction in infrastructure-backed financing secured by Altice's Bronx and Brooklyn network assets. We also recently anchored an innovative multibillion-dollar debt financing for XAI, which is one of the world's leading AI companies. We believe this represents one of the first large-scale credit solutions to be provided in the AI space, where we expect demand for creative financings to grow significantly given the immense funding requirements. Both of these financings are great examples of our ability to deliver customized, scaled solutions to address the complex capital needs of corporates. Similar to the DISH transaction last year, they reflect our culture of cross-firm collaboration. Our credit solutions, private equity, and real estate teams work together seamlessly to execute these highly bespoke solutions within our core thematic areas. We continue to take a patient and disciplined approach to capitalize on the dislocation within the asset class. Over the last two years, we have acquired a number of high quality assets that are typically unavailable from sellers facing liquidity pressure. These investments are performed well with strong operating fundamentals, driving LTM value creation for our TPG real estate of 14%. As we look ahead, we expect to see a growing pipeline of attractive investment opportunities. Shortly after quarter end, TREP completed the acquisition of two adjacent high-quality office towers located on a full block of Park Avenue South. This is a top submarket in New York City where favorable supply-demand dynamics have led to a significant improvement in office fundamentals. As a result of strong fundraising, we ended the quarter with record dry powder of $63 billion, representing 43% of fee-earning AUM. Our investment pipelines remain very active, and we expect our deployment pace to accelerate in the back half of this year. Finally, we continue to successfully execute unimportant exits and liquidity events, driving $6.5 billion of realizations during the quarter across a number of our platforms. We realized nearly $2 billion of total proceeds from public market sales during the quarter. This included fully exiting from Viking Cruises, Top Top Technologies, and Service Titan, and selling down our positions in Lifetime Fitness and SciLife Sciences. TPG Growth also completed the full company sales of QCentrix and Crunch Fitness. We've generated $2.3 billion of liquidity in TPG Growth year-to-date, including signed but not yet closed transactions, putting us on track to reach one of our highest years for realizations for this strategy. And this week, we announced our first exit from TPG Capital 9 with the sale of Elite, which we carved out of Thomson Reuters two years ago. This investment marks a strong early outcome for the fund and is a great example of our ability to drive meaningful top-line growth through disciplined operational transformation. Looking across the firm, we continue to experience strong momentum in scaling our business and deepening and broadening our client relationships. In private equity, despite persistent headwinds in the fundraising environment, we continue to differentiate ourselves with strong investment performance and DPI. We believe we are being positively selected by clients and continue to gain market share, driving fund-over-fund growth across both our existing and newer strategies. In credit, we've reached an important inflection point in establishing our credit franchise with our institutional clients. We are now in the process of significantly expanding the capital base across each of our credit businesses, including partnering with our clients to develop and seed new strategies. In private wealth, TPOP and TCAP have provided us with a strong foundation to build our presence in the channel, where we believe our differentiated brand and track record are resonating with advisors and their clients. We continue to build out our sales team, infrastructure, servicing capabilities, and suite of products given the long-term growth opportunity in wealth. Lastly, as the largest pools of capital globally continue to consolidate their relationships with fewer GPs, we are actively engaged in a number of cross-platform strategic partnership discussions. These partnerships position us to grow with our largest clients across multiple strategies and asset classes while also increasing the duration and continuity of our capital base. We're entering the back half of the year with significant strength across each of our platforms and look forward to continuing to deliver outstanding results for our clients and shareholders. I'll turn the call over to Jack to discuss our financial results. Thank you, John, and thanks to all of you for joining us today. As many of you know, last year we focused on putting the building blocks in place to support our next leg of growth. These included One, scaling our credit businesses through a successful fundraising year, expecting that this capital would flow into fee-paying AUM as we invest it this year and in the future. Two, preparing for the launch of our next series of private equity funds. And three, continuing to innovate, building new products and businesses, including GP Solutions, Climate Infrastructure, and TPOP that we expect to scale into greater profitability over time. Through these levers, we expected to begin a new wave of growth this year. Our strong second quarter results highlight our early success in executing this growth strategy, and we expect our momentum to accelerate from here. We ended the second quarter with $261 billion of total assets under management, up 14% year-over-year. This was driven by $36 billion of capital raised and $21 billion of value creation, partly offset by $23 billion of realizations over the last 12 months. Fee-earning AUM increased 7% year-over-year to reach $146 billion as of June 30th. These figures do not include TPG Pepper Tree, which closed on July 1st and added approximately $8 billion of AUM and over $4 billion of fee-paying AUM. AUM subject to fee earning growth was $30 billion at the end of the quarter, which included $23 billion of AUM not yet earning fees, and represents a revenue opportunity of nearly $200 million on an annualized basis. This shadow FAUM has been scaling with our credit businesses, and as John indicated, our deployment pace has begun to accelerate. At the end of the quarter, our net accrued performance balance remained at $1 billion, as strong value creation and realizations largely offset each other during the quarter. Our fee-related revenue in the second quarter increased to $495 million and included $43 million of catch-up fees, primarily associated with a strong final close of TPG Growth 6. We reported quarterly fee-related earnings of $220 million, Our FRA margin of 44% in the second quarter benefited from the catch-up fees as well as a step-down in cash compensation expense from the seasonally elevated first quarter. After-tax distributable earnings for the second quarter increased 30% year-over-year to $268 million, or 69 cents per share of Class A common stock, which included $87 million of realized performance allocations. As John noted, our strong pace of monetizations has been a significant point of differentiation for us, which continues to benefit our fundraising discussions with clients. Looking at the back half of the year, we expect to drive additional realizations, particularly as the broader market backdrop continues to improve. As a result of our strong quarter, we declared a record dividend of 59 cents per share. Looking at our non-GAAP balance sheet, during the quarter, we further enhanced our liquidity by upsizing our revolving credit facility from $1.2 billion to $1.75 billion. We've drawn on our revolver to fund several growth initiatives, including seeding TPOP's investment portfolio, as well as funding the cash portion of the Peppertree acquisition in July. Proforma for the Peppertree funding, the outstanding balance on our revolver is $570 million, and our available liquidity is more than $1.3 billion. Turning to our portfolio, we continue to drive positive value creation across all our platforms for the second quarter and over the last 12 months. In private equity, the fundamentals across our portfolios remain strong, and we continue to see robust growth that is outpacing the broader market. The portfolio companies within our capital growth and impact platforms grew revenue and EBITDA by approximately 16% and 23% respectively over the last 12 months. Our private equity portfolio in aggregate appreciated 2% in the quarter and 11% over the last 12 months. In credit, our portfolio appreciated 2% in the quarter and 12% over the last 12 months. In middle market direct lending, all our funds remain at or above their target return ranges as of quarter end. Within our portfolio, our average interest coverage ratio has remained stable at approximately two times, and our annualized loss ratio is approximately two basis points. Our structured credit strategies also continue to perform well. Our first private asset-based credit fund's net IRR since inception was above its target range at 13% at the end of the second quarter. TPG's real estate portfolio appreciated approximately 3% in the second quarter and 14% over the last 12 months. We continue to see strong performance and value creation in our data center, industrial, and residential investments. In addition, TPG AG's real estate portfolio appreciated by 20 basis points in the second quarter and nearly 3% over the last 12 months. Turning to fundraising, we raised over $11 billion during the second quarter. As John noted, this was the second highest fundraising quarter in the firm's history and the highest fundraising quarter ever for our credit platform. As a result of our strong fundraising momentum, we remain very confident that we'll raise significantly more capital this year than last year. Looking at the remainder of the year, we'll be in the market with approximately 25 different products across most of our platforms. The biggest contributors to our fundraising in the back half of the year include the following. One, the rolling first close for our next flagship buyout funds, TPG Capital and Healthcare Partners. As John mentioned, we expect to receive total commitments of approximately $9 billion during our rolling first close in the third quarter. Two, continued strong capital raising across all of our credit strategies in drawdown funds, perpetual vehicles, and SMAs. Three, formal first closes for our second GP Solutions Fund and our third Tech Adjacencies Fund, as well as additional closes for TICA, our new Asia growth buyout strategy. We continue to make strong progress with TICA and have already raised more than half our target. And four, increasing our penetration within private wealth and insurance. On the topic of private wealth, I'd like to provide a bit more information on our strong progress in this important business. As John mentioned, TPOP is off to a great start, raising approximately $430 million in June and July alone. And we expect strong continued expansion with our two initial launch partners. We also have several additional partners lined up domestically and internationally over the next several quarters, including expanding into the RIA channel. On the credit side, Twinbrook's non-traded BDC, TCAP, had its highest organic fundraising quarter yet in the second quarter, with more than $200 million of inflows. TCAP is now actively distributed on three major wirehouses, and we expect further expansion in the near future. Across our private wealth business more broadly, we continue to grow our distribution network. We're now partnered with over 30 firms globally, which has increased more than fourfold just since the AG acquisition. We're also focused on expanding our suite of evergreen offerings across asset classes, having created a strong foundation with TPOP and TCAP. We're actively working on additional products across credit and real assets. Private wealth is a high-priority growth area for the firm, and we continue to invest in broadening our capabilities to serve the growing needs of financial advisors and their clients. I'd like to provide a few important points regarding our near-term financial outlook. Beginning with the third quarter, our results will include the financial contribution from TPG Peppertree within our market solutions platform. As we noted when we announced this transaction, we expect TPG Peppertree to be immediately accretive and after-tax DE per share. Following the completion of our direct TV investment, TPG Capital 9 is now fully invested and reserved, and we already activated TPG Capital 10 in early July. We expect catch-up fees to step down in Q3 and then pick back up throughout next year as we hold subsequent closes in our capital and climate campaigns. Following the step-down in compensation expense in the second quarter, we expect this line item to begin trending back up starting in the third quarter. We continue to invest in our teams in strategic growth areas, such as private wealth and climate infrastructure. Although we expect our FRA margin to decline modestly in the third quarter, consistent with our prior guidance, we continue to expect to exit the year with an FRA margin in the mid-40s. And finally, we expect our effective corporate tax rate to remain in the mid to high single digits through the remainder of the year. Before I wrap up, I'd like to highlight the significant progress we've made in enhancing the liquidity in our stock since our IPO. Two recent events have contributed to this meaningfully. First, in May, David Bonneman's estate sold 21 million shares of TPG stock in order to satisfy certain obligations, including estate tax payments. And second, in connection with the closing of the Pepper Tree transaction last month, we issued and registered 2.9 million Class A shares as partial consideration. These shares, which were not owned by employees of Pepper Tree, have already been fully liquidated in the public market. This supply was well received in the market, broadening our shareholder base and allowing many of our largest existing shareholders to further build their positions. Primarily as a result of these two events, the percentage of TPG operating group equity owned by TPG Inc. Class A shareholders has increased from 22% to approximately 40% in just 18 months. Taking a step back, we are very pleased with our strong second quarter results and the progress we continue to make driving growth and diversification across our business. We're experiencing substantial momentum as the pace of activity across the key drivers of our business, fundraising, deployment, and realizations continues to accelerate. And we look forward to creating additional value for all of our stakeholders. Now I'll turn the call back to the operator to take your questions.

Thank you. And at this time, if you wish to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. You may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two. Again, please limit yourself to one question. And we'll take our first question from Glenn Shore with Evercore. Please go ahead.

Hi, thank you. So I wonder if you could help us. You're the last of the, I think, the big alls to report. And we've seen you guys had good performance across private equity. You've raised a lot of money. You've returned a lot of money. Yet the aggregate details across private equity are still stock portfolios, low DPIs. And I see some surveys that show almost half of LP saying that they're, they're overweight, with maybe potential to cut some allocations. So like, is it that the big get more successful and and you're seeing more like I'm curious to get your thoughts on the on the highest level industry dynamic because you're clearly not seeing the same PE stuck in the mud that a lot of the bigger-picture surveys would have you believe. So, I'm just looking for you where we're at in that private equity cycle right now. Thanks.

Mr. Yeah, well, thanks, Glenn. I think it's a good question, and I think that, you know, our, what we're experiencing I think is, a little bit different than, you know, sort of the general kind of theme that you characterize as it relates to private equity. I think it starts, just to be honest with you, I mean, I think that we, first of all, at a high level, I mean, allocations obviously are fuller and higher in PE than maybe in some of the other asset classes. But with respect to the broader market, I think we still have a lot of confidence in the importance of the PE asset class as a return driver for the cross-section of larger institutional accounts. And also, I think some of the reaction that we've gotten as we've gone out in the market to continue to penetrate the wealth markets. I think there as well because of the nature of the public markets and where the returns are being driven in the public markets. I think that there is a clear perception and a clear I think interest in alpha creation from private companies that are driven by the private equity industry. So we still feel very strongly that the private equity asset class is going to be very important and durable for a lot of those reasons going forward. I think what we're seeing in our own situation is it starts fundamentally with performance and how we've managed our business and how we've managed our funds. And if you look at those two categories of things. I think that we feel very good about our performance across our fund families consistently. And then the other thing I think we also have been doing, and I think we've talked about this before, is we've been very intentional and deliberate with respect to how we've been managing our funds from the perspective of um how we've deployed um how we've composed our portfolios and we've been very intentional as it relates to not only on the entry on the buy but we've been very intentional on how we think about exits and the importance of managing the process of exiting companies returning capital and how that also influences the returns people are experiencing um with us in a holistic sense, both from a return perspective, as well as from sort of flow of funds that, you know, kind of back and forth. And, you know, it's just very clear that with the largest pools of capital, I mean, you know, I think you could probably say that the largest players in the industry are gaining share. We think we are gaining share disproportionately. We've looked at some of the numbers. We've looked at sort of our incremental growth with our largest LPs. And since our IPO, if you look at the top 100 relationships that we have, we have grown very meaningfully with all those institutions across the portfolio of private equity, as well as our credit and real estate businesses. But since your question is focused on private equity, we have a number of major relationships that are not going down with us, they're going up. They're incrementally adding to their commitments to our funds, and that's not to mention, obviously, relationships that we've either restarted over the course of the last four or five years or brand-new relationships in other parts of the globe that we've been able to initiate. So, you know, I think we, you know, feel like our private equity business is very strong, very durable. And, you know, I think that there are going to be, you know, if I could say it, I mean, they're going to I think they're going to be sort of, you know, haves and have nots as it relates to how the industry is evolving. And, you know, we feel we feel like we're in a strong position.

Thanks for that, John.

Thank you. And we will take our next question from Ken Worthington with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Hi. Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking the question. I wanted to maybe dig into the build-out of insurance. Can you talk about your view on balance sheet heavy versus balance sheet light? I think the preference has generally been partnerships and balance sheet light. You've called that a number of times. You don't want to be an insurance company. What would you want or need to see in something more balance sheet heavy that might change your mind in terms of what could be a good fit for TPG? Is it size? Is it price? Is it all of the above? Is there some other nuance on mix that ultimately makes a different structure a good idea for TPG?

Thanks for the question. Let me sort of come at it this way, which is that I think that what is first and foremost just in terms of how we think about how insurance or insurance-related transaction might fit into TPG would be a couple of sort of core principles. One is that it's important to us to maintain know what we think of as sort of fre centricity that's what we that that's that's kind of like you know top of mind for us in terms of driving um our asset management um business and um driving you know core um fee related earnings growth and so um that's kind of you know that's kind of front and center as we think about what does a potential transaction do for us Additionally, I think as we've talked about sort of not turning ourselves into an insurance company, I think that to be maybe a little bit more specific, I think we are very sensitive to what types of liabilities we assume in the context of doing some kind of an insurance transaction. So that's not to say that we wouldn't use our balance sheet because we've talked about that before, obviously, and we would do it in a context of, you know, I think size is a little hard to judge depending on the situation. Ken, but I think that we're very focused on not putting ourselves in a position where we assume risks that we don't feel either good about or that we're not expertized in as it relates to certain types of insurance liabilities. And so that's something that's also been top of mind for us. So when we've looked at some transactions, what we've tried to do is we've either looked at how does it impact our ability to grow our asset management franchise, grow our FRE, without taking undue risk as it relates to the balance sheet. And in certain cases, what we've done is we've looked at a couple of opportunities where we've actually – looked at partnering with some strategic partners within the insurance business, which would allow us to essentially try to acquire the portions of the business, particularly as it relates to distribution capabilities that expand our ability to accumulate capital, but not take on the parts of the business that are probably better left in the hands of you know an insurance business so that's those are our core principles that's our approach we continue to see the industry evolving in terms of um what it takes to compete in the industry and we continue to be in um we we continue to evaluate opportunities and we you know and i think that um you know we'll uh we'll if we do something it'll it'll be with those um uh you know core objectives in mind great that was very very helpful thank you welcome thank you and our next question comes from alex blossom with goldman sachs please go ahead

Hey, guys. Good morning. Thank you for taking the questions. Well, maybe going back to Glenn's question around private equity, obviously very impressive fundraising numbers with the first close here. I was hoping you could help us think through how you might sort of think about the ultimate size of these funds now. I think like in the past, you talked about 40% to 50% typically comes in in the first close, so the nine that you raised. uh potentially puts you quite quite above i think then then certainly prior funds but also maybe what we were thinking before and also jack maybe just kind of walk us through the p l impact on management fees uh in the third quarter as you started to earn management fees on these funds and perhaps any step down things we need to consider thanks yeah hey alex thanks for the questions just a little more color on what john said just qualitatively about the market i think when we look at the institutional lp market globally

we really don't see reducing allocations to private equity. As an ecosystem globally, I think we're still seeing increases in allocations to private equity, different in different parts of the market. I think there's an overlay of the liquidity each LP has to work with and how they manage that's compressing certain parts of the market, really mostly in the U.S. institutional market. But I think there is a sorting out going on, as John alluded to, and I think we're benefiting from the conclusions of that sorting out. If you look at this first $9 billion we said we expect to close on in TBG 10 and Healthcare Partners 3, almost all of that is re-ups from existing LPs, and on average in that first close process, the existing LPs are increasing their commitments to us by north of 20%. so we are clearly gaining share with those lps and then the longer tail of the fundraise will be driven by additional re-ups in addition to new lps coming into our ecosystem um in terms of the size i agree with you that that that kind of size in a first close is higher a higher percentage than many are achieving in this market look our goal remains what we've been talking about which is in each of our private equity businesses to increase the fund size um kind of in each in each sequence we obviously did that in growth as we talked about growing 35 versus the prior fund i think in qpg 10 and healthcare partners 3 we have not set a target for those two funds collectively but i would expect at least the same kind of growth rate over the prior vintage as we did in the prior sequence for the same fund complex, which tells you that the start we're off to in the first close is very strong. Now, the impact on management fees, we will see – I mentioned in my comments that we activated TPG 10 last month in July. We have not yet activated healthcare partners three because we still have a little bit of investing to do in healthcare partners two. If I had to estimate when we'd activate that fund, it'll probably be maybe first quarter of next year. So step downs obviously occur as you activate the next fund. What that means in TPG 910 is the TPG 9 fund will step down next quarter. In the fourth quarter. Thank you.

Thank you. And our next question comes from Bill Katz with TD Cohen. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you very much for taking the questions and all the guidance. Just you mentioned the sort of flywheel accelerating to the second half of the year and great to see the significant jump in AUM not yet paying fees. How quickly do you think you can sort of deploy that $30 billion? And then the second part of the question is of I think you mentioned a significantly high level of revenues on that. How much incremental margin might be against that incremental revenue? Thank you.

Matt Lowrie Well, I think what we said is that we are feeling good about deployment opportunities across our business. And obviously, it's somewhat related to how the markets act overall. But when we look at our pipelines across really all of our businesses, our pipelines have been increasing quarter over quarter over the course of, you know, 2025 so far. So we feel like deployment should continue to advance and On balance, I think our expectation is that our outlook is that deployment will pick up a bit as we go through the balance of the year, and then we'll see what happens into 2026. So we're feeling pretty good overall about the opportunities that we're seeing. When you look across the firm, as a result of the breadth of our business and the variety of strategies and the flexible capital that we have across our funds, I think we can respond to a lot of really interesting bespoke opportunities. And I think that's inherent in our strategy, which is to be able to be active across the variety of opportunities that present itself to us across the capital structure. So from that perspective, I think we continue to be reasonably bullish on deployment opportunities. The second part of the question was, I think he has a margin on incremental deployment. I mean, obviously, that's going to differ in each asset class.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. And we will take our next question from Steven Chuback with Wolf Research. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning, John and Jack. Thanks for taking my questions. One opportunity that maybe hasn't gotten as much airplay on the call is within capital markets. And I was hoping you could speak to, given some of the improvement in deployment in 2Q, certainly encouraging to hear expectations for continued acceleration in the back half, what the potential windfall could be on the capital market side. And are there any remaining gaps in terms of your capabilities? And just longer term, how large could this business grow over time?

Yeah, I mean, we've talked about capital markets pretty consistently over the last few years and the importance of the business to the firm and the continued build out of our business. And and I think what we have done is. We are continuing to, we've done a few things and we continue to. One is we continue to build out our capital markets capabilities across all of our strategies. And simply what we've done is we've added capital market expertise, really embedded in each of our strategies so that they are connected to and close to the deal-making process. which gives us the opportunity to finance deals. It gives us the opportunities to refinance balance sheets and also provide, you know, interesting solutions and extend our capital base as well to the extent that we are going to do larger and larger transactions. The second thing that's happened, which is material, is that as a result of the coming together with our credit business, and the level of collaboration that we are able to execute on across the firm there is increasingly interesting opportunities across asset class with respect to our capital markets capability. And so when you see some of these deals that we're doing, some of these investments that we're making, and some of these deals that we're doing that I mentioned earlier, like the Altice deal, the DISH deal that we had last year, the XAI deal, THOSE TRANSACTIONS ARE REALLY BEING EXECUTED BY SOME COLLABORATION OF OUR INVESTMENT TEAMS ACROSS CREDIT AND PRIVATE EQUITY IN THOSE CASES, ACTUALLY IN THE COUPLE OF CASES OUR REAL ESTATE TEAM AS WELL, BUT ALSO INVOLVING OUR CAPITAL MARKETS CAPABILITY AND ALL OF THEM. AGAIN, TO EXTEND OUR CAPITAL BASE OR EITHER SYNDICATE RISK etc i think that as we move forward in the future as the firm continues to grow as a number of strategies continue to evolve um you know um obviously somewhat subject to of course subject to deal pace and deployment pace um capital markets should just generally grow it should be correlated to the growth of the firm and the transactional activity overall So we feel very good about it. And, you know, I think it'll continue to be an important driver for us. Yeah, I would just say that that transaction monitoring and other fee line item that was about 150 or so last year, we can, as John said, we continue to expect that to grow over time, not just with the pace of our overall growth, but ahead of the pace of our growth, because we are penetrating additional segments of our business that we hadn't before by growing our capital markets team. So we continue to expect that line item to grow this year over last year in a healthy way and even faster next year.

Very helpful caller. Thanks for taking my question. No problem.

Thank you. And our next question comes from Dan Vannon with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to follow up on the retail opportunity and the initial rollout of TPOP. So you talked about, I think, broadening distribution. Maybe if you could expand upon what that looks like and then also the product roadmap for other products for this channel and how you see that proliferating in the coming quarters.

Sure. Thanks for the question. First of all, on TPOP, really the first couple of closes we alluded to were with our – we've said we've had two large U.S. wirehouses as our launch partners. So really, most of that capital came from those two partners. As we look in the future, we certainly have a lot of penetration that we continue to expect through those core partners. But we have several additional partners lined up both domestically and internationally. We're launching in a couple of months with a large international bank with a focus on the Asia market. We have a product, we have a focus on the RIA market. It's been publicly disclosed that iCapital has filed a registration statement for a TPG-branded fund that they will be managing that's going to look a lot like TPOP, but focused on the RIA market. And then, what was the second part of the question? On the product roadmap, beyond private equity, so we've got a lot of growth ahead of us in this core private equity product, TPOP. While we're accomplishing that, we're also in the middle of designing the next wave of products, which will include something broader in credit, like a multi-asset class credit interval fund. something in real assets as well we've you know described a lot about our broad-based real estate platform and um we're in the middle of designing a product there as well thank you thank you and our next question comes from brian bettle let's wait your bank please go ahead oh great thanks thanks for taking my question um

If I can squeeze in a three-parter on the impact platform.

We'll take the first part.

At least I'm telling you it's three before. All related, but just I guess the fundraising pipeline on the impact platform and the three-parter is first rise three looks like that's 70% invested. So commentary on the next vintage there. Secondly, the climate franchise, you know, Rise Climate 180% invested, it looks like, on your front tables. And so if you can wrap together the... I know there's a bundling of the Global South Initiative with the last final close of Rise Climate 2 coming in. So just if you can update us on the timing of the incremental fundraise there. And then just three, just the tangent strategies to the impact platform, like climate infrastructure, for example, expectations of that into 26.

Sure, this is Jim. Let me take those and let me step back and talk a little bit about what's happening in that area generally. So first of all, specifically on RISE 3 and 4, we expect to be uh holding first closes for rise for probably in the fourth quarter so that you're right in saying that we are heading into the market and that's we'll have more to report going forward and the climate discussion i think requests requires a step back and what's happening in the climate world generally so let me do that first of all it's very very helpful to have the bill passed so the policy landscape is relatively clear As I travel around the world, before jumping to U.S., let me make a general comment. As I travel around the world, there's a lot of discussion of tariffs. The rest of the world is not that fussed with U.S. energy policy. And as John noted, we've been very active in the climate franchise in the first half of this year, five deals, all international, as the market in the U.S. has paused for a bit to see where policy would land. Where did it land? The bill landed in a place that was better than people expected. The way to think about that is to probably watch the Clean Energy Index, S&P Clean Energy Index. And back April and May, there was a lot of concern. But as the bill came out, that index roared back. In fact, it sits 6 percent above where it was at the election at this point, and subsectors are actually doing much better. Within the bill, the area that probably got hurt most was EVs where we have in the U.S., which where we have been very vocally not an investor. But if you go deep on the policy, the way to look at it is where are we versus where we were before the IRA, because the IRA was never fully implemented. And generally, the picture there is quite surprising. In most areas, there's more support than there was in 2022 when chat GPT dropped. For example, in batteries, which are critically important now, the new bill kept the IRA provisions for very substantial incentives and added U.S. incentives to that. So underneath the noise in the U.S. market, I think the clarity we now have is really interesting, and our pipeline as a result is growing. very busy. The two big factors to look at going forward is that we are way short energy in the U.S. and that the fastest way and cheapest way to add energy is still renewables. Yes, there will be more gas, but gas was only 7 percent of the market this year. And secondly, adaptation will continue to be very robust. Translating that into fundraising, as you know, we had strong first closes, well above those 50% targets we were talking about. In spite of all the noise in the market, the first half of this year in the Rise Climate franchise, we closed on a billion and a half capital. And in the barbell world we now live, we're now moving into the back half of those campaigns, well over where we were in the last fund cycle. So, in terms of capital committed, some of which still to be activated, we are well over where we were in the last fund cycle. And so, with clarity in the market, we're now looking forward to the back part of the fund cycle for Chair C2 and the, really, the initiation after our anchor commitments of TI and the opportunity set for those as well. So, I think we're kind of on track in these areas with understanding that there was a pause as the market tried to figure out where the bill was going to land, and a likely elongation from our original intentions. But I think that's probably consistent with what you're seeing in fundraising generally in the market. So, the impact franchise should have a busy next six to nine months. Male Speaker 1 That's great perspective. Thanks, Jim.

Female Speaker 2 Thank you. And our next question comes from Michael Cypress. It's Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to circle back to an earlier comment that was made around your engagement in cross-platform strategic partnership discussions to increase duration and continuity of the capital base. I was hoping you could elaborate a bit on your aspirations there, the strategy, how you're approaching this, what this could look like, and how it might contribute over time for TPG.

Sure. Thanks, Michael. I think we alluded to an example of a strategic partnership. I think it was on last quarter's call. But I think that the general approach is consistent with the theme that we talked about earlier on this call, which is that what we're finding is that the largest institutional partners are narrowing and focusing their relationships. And as a result of that, uh um they're they're really i think um trying to figure out ways of um structuring win-wins with firms and partnerships with with partners that they have a lot of confidence in and so increasingly what we're finding is um engaging in dialogue with um a number of um our largest partners about how can we structure essentially longer-term relationships with one another that usually come in the form of thinking about commitments across asset classes, which is important, by the way, because it's not touching just one asset class, but thinking about commitments that go across asset classes where in exchange for commitments of um certain dollar amounts of capital over a period of time and that could vary depending on these are very bespoke arrangements by the way that could vary from you know a three four five year kind of time horizon um where they commit a certain amount of capital to tpg and to our various funds And in return for that, there's incentives for them. There are economic incentives that are, again, are also fairly bespoke in nature. But the basic partnership arrangement is that they're looking at very significant large capital commitments to the firm in return for those benefits and for some reason if things change or if they have to make adjustments in their plan and and they don't achieve those milestones then some of the economic benefits roll back and so again i want to emphasize that they're very sort of you know bespoke but i would say that we're engaged in that dialogue with more of our major partners than I think we've ever been before in our history. And what it does is it obviously ties us closer together. I mean, there are sort of other dynamics to some of these partnership arrangements where we spend time with one another at the top of the house, sharing ideas. and talking about markets and talking about what we're seeing but essentially it is a kind of throwing in together on a longer-term basis and what it does for us obviously it gives us much higher degrees of confidence and re-ups in our major funds because those are sort of our core strategies and it also creates a additional incentives for them to essentially work with us to anchor new strategies. And I think, as you know, building and anchoring newer strategies and growing organically that's probably one of the toughest things to do in our industry which is you know start something new bring um anchor lps in and then scale it from there and so what these kinds of things do is it creates um you know a um a partnership approach to doing that with our biggest relationships and it generally accelerates our ability to do that um and so um you know we're um you know we're uh um you know, we're excited about these conversations that we're having. And, you know, and I think that when we talk about things like our first closes and a time to first close, like we were talking about before, these partnerships impact that because generally it implies that, you know, these partners are more inclined to be first closers in these funds and also, again, exploring new avenues of growth with us as well. Yeah, Jack, just a little bit. I mean, I see it as almost a byproduct of what we've been talking about for a while now is that we see the largest LPs in the world concentrating their capital with fewer partners. And when they do that, they step back and say, if we're going to choose you as a partner in a concentrated way, let's break out of this fund-by-fund mode and talk about what a bigger partnership might look like. And that begins the dialogue about what a longer-term partnership partnership might look like, whether it's designed as an SMA, a fund that won, a perpetual fund with kind of inherent re-ups. But that's the nature of the dialogue. And fortunately, we're on the winning end of a lot of those discussions, which is leading to a lot of these partnership discussions. I think one other thing that's affecting it too, Mike, is that one important kind of like overriding trend that we're seeing in the market is that I think that There was a time when, and not recently, there was a time when some of the largest pools of capital in the world were really continuing to focus on their ability to be quote-unquote direct investors. And some of them still are, but what I would say is that there's been a fairly big pendulum swing back the other way, where some of the largest pools of capital in the world are really now much more focused on this partnership model, where they realize that their ability to source on a very broad basis, on a global basis, some of the most interesting transactions across multiple strategies is enhanced by engaging in these partnerships with our core partners. And so I think that that's another trend that I think is also giving rise to this desire to figure out how do they construct these partnerships where they get the benefits of, you know, seeing the opportunities that we're creating, but also being able to partner together to get them done. And so I would say that's another kind of broader trend that we're seeing. There's a bit of a pendulum swing back to this kind of, you know, doubling down on kind of the partnership model.

Great. Thanks so much.

Female Speaker 1 Thank you. And our next question comes from Kyle Voigt with KBW. Please go ahead.

Kyle Voigt Hey, good morning, everyone. Maybe just a question on the 401 opportunity. So, now that you're adding more breadth to your semi-liquid products, we're just wondering how you're thinking about addressing the 401 opportunity if that market begins to potentially open up more to private investments over time?

yeah that's a good question obviously uh as we are building out our suite of evergreen products and high net worth uh focused products across alternatives it's a natural focus area i think it's you know a bit early to speculate on how it's all going to play out because the executive order hasn't been issued yet but you know when you step back and look at the overall u.s retirement savings ecosystem it's approximately a 35 trillion dollar market about 10 trillion of that is in defined benefit pension funds about 10 trillion is in the 401k market and the rest is in things like the iras defined benefit pension plans are some of our biggest clients they were among the earliest institutional investors to adopt alternatives you know 30 35 years ago they had very little exposure to alternatives today it's probably a third or so on average of their investment portfolio because they've been diversifying their exposure beyond public markets, looking for enhanced return opportunities to generate long-term compounding of wealth for their constituents. And when you look at the 401 market, those same objectives should apply, right? The constituents in 401 plans should be looking to compound wealth over decades and looking for diversification and enhanced returns so we think the moves being made talked about people talked about being made make a lot of sense for 401k participants to have access to diversity the diversification and enhanced return benefit of alternatives. Now, if you look at how 401K plans today are invested, about 40% of the capital is invested in target date funds. And we think that's the natural entry point for alternatives, as opposed to a private equity fund by GPX being an investment alternative, for alternative assets to be commingled with uh things like target date funds so we're in active discussions with potential partners with whom we could partner where we're a very attractive partner given our ability to source and execute alternative asset investments uh and by the way If you look at 401K plans, most of the exposure in longer-dated target date funds is in equity-oriented investments because that's the higher returning asset, expected to be a higher returning asset class that compounds wealth over decades. So private equity in particular, over time, will be a very attractive addition to 401K plans. And we're a very natural partner for those managers to source that flow. And as you're alluding to, the work we're putting into creating different entry points and different structures around our private equity business will feed into that kind of partnership naturally.

Thank you. This concludes the Q&A portion of today's call. I would now like to turn the call back over to Gary Stein for closing remarks.

Okay. Thank you, Operator. Thank you all for joining us today. If you have any additional questions, please feel free to follow up with the IR team directly. Thank you so much.

Thank you. This concludes today's PPG's second quarter 2025 earnings call-in webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day.