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Transcat, Inc.
8/7/2025
Please stand by, your program is about to begin. If you need audio assistance during today's program, please press star zero. Greetings and welcome to the TransCAT incorporated first quarter fiscal year 2026 financial results call. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, John Howe, Senior Director of Financial Planning and Analysis. Thank you, John, you may begin.
Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate your time and your interest in TransCAT. With me here on the call today is our President and CEO, Lee Rudeau, and our Chief Financial Officer, Tom Barbato. We will begin the call with some prepared remarks, and then we will open the call for questions. Our earnings release crossed the wire after markets closed yesterday. Both the earnings release and the slides that we will reference during our prepared remarks can be found on our website, transcat.com, in the investor relations section. If you would, please refer to slide two. As you are aware, we may make forward-looking statements during the formal presentation and Q&A portion of this teleconference. These statements apply to future events, which are subject to risks and uncertainties, as well as other factors that could cause the actual results to differ materially from where we are today. These factors are outlined in the news release, as well as the documents filed by the company with the SEC. You can find those on our website, where we regularly post information about the company, as well as on the SEC's website at sec.gov. We undertake no obligation to publicly update or correct any of the forward-looking statements contained in this call, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, except as required by law. Please review our forward-looking statements in conjunction with these precautionary factors. Additionally, during today's call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP measures, which we believe will be useful in evaluating our performance. You should not consider the presentation of this additional information in isolation, or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. We've provided reconciliations of non-GAAP to compared GAAP measures in the tables accompanying the earnings release. With that, I'll turn the call over to Lee.
Thank you, John. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on the call today. I'll begin with a few key messages that highlight our first quarter performance, the fiscal 2026. Our Q1 results yielded stronger than expected -over-year revenue and adjusted EBITDA growth. Consolidated revenue is up 15% to $76.4 million. The growth was primarily driven by consistent demand for our calibration and rental services. Adjusted EBITDA grew 15% as both service and distribution generated double-digit revenue growth. TransCAT's ability to deliver strong performance amidst a fair amount of economic uncertainty and volatility is a testament to the strength of our diversified portfolio. In addition, regulation, along with the high cost of failure, continues to drive demand for our calibration services with its associated recurring revenue streams. The team is very pleased with our strong start, and as we previously talked about, we expect performance to continue to get stronger as the fiscal 2026 year progresses. Looking a little closer at the service segment for the first quarter, we recorded our 65th straight quarter of -over-year service revenue growth. Martin calibration had another strong quarter, their second quarter as part of the TransCAT portfolio. Our integrated TransCAT and Martin sales teams captured revenue synergies throughout the Midwest region where we now have a strong presence with Martin's flagship calibration lab. Overall service revenue growth, overall service revenue grew 12% and was in line with our expectations. Total organic service growth, not including TransCAT solutions, was 2%. The balance of the total service revenue growth came from our combined effort with Martin to drive -over-year growth. We believe current new service sales activity levels are supportive of organic growth in historic range of high single digits as the year progresses. On August 5th, TransCAT acquired ESCO calibration. This is a deal we've worked on for over 10 years and very similar to Martin, represents TransCAT's ability to acquire the best of the best within the fragmented calibration services market. ESCO is the premier provider of specialized high-end electronic calibrations. While they primarily service New England's large concentration of highly regulated life science and aerospace and defense manufacturers, they service various other pockets of work throughout the country as one of the very few primary electronics calibration standards labs. ESCO is second to none in terms of quality of their operation. They have consistently invested in -the-art calibration capabilities to support both the aerospace and defense and life science industries. Their technical expertise and dedication to customer service is among the best we've ever seen, and now they are a TransCAT company. Believe me when I say they are difficult to compete with and we're excited to join our talented teams together. They are a perfect fit for TransCAT. Integration will be swift and we expect to achieve both sales and cost synergies as we integrate and leverage our combined forces. Turning to distribution, the heart of our distribution strategy is to be a strong differentiator by generating leads to foster consistent organic service growth. The unique combination of products, rentals, and services continues to amplify the overall TransCAT brand. Our first quarter distribution results driven by our unique suite of rental services were outstanding. Distribution revenue grew 19% in the quarter and totaled $27.3 million. Distribution gross profits grew 24% as gross margins expanded 130 basis points to 35.2%. The margin growth reflected the continued positive change in mix towards the high margin rentals within the distribution segment. Our balance sheet remains strong. We recently closed a five year credit facility that nearly doubles TransCAT's capital resources and provides ample capacity to execute our proven acquisition and growth strategies. Overall, TransCAT's first quarter results were strong despite the economic volatility. We are pleased to be off to a fast start in fiscal 2026. With that, I'll turn things over to Tom for a more detailed look at the first quarter financial performance.
Thanks, Lee. I'll start on slide five of the earnings deck, which provides detail regarding our revenue on a consolidated basis and by segment for the first quarter of fiscal 2026. First quarter consolidated revenue of 76.4 million was up 15% versus prior year as both segments grew double digits. Looking at it by segment, service revenue grew 12%. Despite economic volatility, it was in line with expectations. Turning to distribution, revenue of 27.3 million grew 19%, primarily due to the strong performance from the higher margin rental business. Turning to slide six, our consolidated gross profit for the first quarter of 25.8 million was up 14% from the prior year. Service gross profit increased 9% versus the prior year. We continue to leverage higher levels of technician productivity in our differentiated value proposition. The distribution segment gross profit of 9.6 million was up 24% with 130 basis points of gross margin expansion to a record .2% driven by the higher margin rental mix. Turning to slide seven, Q1 net income of 3.3 million decreased 1.1 million versus prior year driven by higher interest expense and taxes. Diluted earnings per share came in at 35 cents. We report adjusted diluting earnings per share as well to normalize for the impact of upfront and ongoing acquisition related costs. Q1 adjusted diluted earnings per share was 59 cents. Clipping to slide eight, where we show our adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin. We use adjusted EBITDA, which is non-GAAP to gauge the performance of our business because we believe it's the best measure of our operating performance and ability to generate cash. As we continue to execute on our acquisition strategy, this metric becomes even more important to highlight as it does adjust for one time deal related transaction costs as well as the increased level of non-cash expenses that will hit our income statement from acquisition purchase accounting. First quarter consolidated adjusted EBITDA of 11.8 million increased 15% from the same quarter in the prior year with 10 basis points of margin expansion. Distribution EBITDA increased 49% driven by growth and rentals. As always, a reconciliation of adjusted EBITDA to operating income and net income can be found in the supplemental section of this presentation. Moving to slide nine, operating cashflow was lower versus prior year related to timing of certain working capital items. G1 capital expenditures were $900,000 higher than prior year and continue to be centered around service segment capabilities, rental pool assets, technology and future growth projects. The spend was in line with expectations. Slide 10 highlights our strong balance sheet. At the end of the quarter, we had total net debt of $32.5 million with a leverage ratio of 0.82X. Just after quarter end, we closed a new five-year syndicated secured credit facility led by M&T Bank and includes additional lenders, Wells Fargo and Bank of America. This facility with America's top lenders nearly doubles our access to available capital and provides significant financial flexibility. Our existing revolver in term debt was paid off as part of this transaction. Lastly, we filed our 10Q yesterday after the market closed. With that, I'll turn it back to you, Lee.
Thanks, Tom. The macro environment continues to be a challenge, but our diversified portfolio of products and services along with our ability to acquire top tier calibration providers that expand both our geographic footprint and capabilities have solidified our strong financial profile and differentiated Transcat from the competition. We expect to progressively improve our service organic revenue growth during the fiscal year. And as I stated earlier, barring any further economic deterioration, we anticipate a return to high single digit organic service revenue growth in the second half of fiscal 2026. Acquisitions will continue to be important to fortify our core calibration business, as well as expand our addressable markets where it makes sense. We'll continue to leverage continuous process improvement and automation as key drivers of future service margin expansion. Likewise, we expect distribution margins to benefit over time as our rental channel continues to be a higher percentage of the distribution revenue mix. And as always, we focus on generating sustainable long-term value for our shareholders. Our leadership team has never been more talented and capable, and we are well positioned to deliver strong results as our strategy continues to be differentiated and defendable. With that, operator, we can open the line for questions.
Thank you, at this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press the star one on your telephone keypad. You may remove yourself from the queue at any time by pressing star two. Once again, it is star one to ask a question. And our first question comes from Greg Palm with Greg Hallam, please go ahead.
Yeah, good morning, thanks, and congrats on the quarter and the recent acquisition. Thanks, Greg. Thanks,
Greg.
Starting with the results, what really stood out was distribution, so maybe a two-parter, but how much of that, or I guess was any of that related to sort of pulling revenue, getting ahead of any kind of tariff-related impacts and just kind of visibility levels going forward, kind of what you're seeing so far in fiscal Q2, and a little bit more color would be great.
Hey, Greg, it's Tom. You know, I'll just say that, you know, distribution, we continue to see, you know, consistent demand, both on the kind of core distribution side as well as rentals. So, you know, I think it's indicative of something more than just, you know, kind of a pull-in due to tariffs. So I'll just kind of leave it at that, but, you know, demand continues to be consistent for us.
And in any specific, you know, part of that segment and markets that drove the strength, just in light of the, you know, significant outperformance relative to, you know, sort of prior quarters, and maybe, you know, also if you can hit on the gross margin, was it skewed more towards rentals? Is that why we saw such a big jump in margins relative to the last few quarters as well?
Yeah, I mean, rentals had a really nice quarter. And, you know, anytime we see, you know, rental growth, like we saw in Q1, you know, we're gonna see, you know, margins expand. Now, that being said, you know, we shouldn't expect, you know, 35 plus percent going forward, but we should expect, you know, meaningful -over-year growth in distribution margins as we progress through the year.
But I do think over time, Greg, and, you know, not next quarter, which is, I think, what Tom's alluding to, but over time, if you look forward a year or two or even beyond, again, as rentals continues to grow, we anticipate it will because it's strategic for us, and that's where we allocate capital. As it grows, the margins are gonna continue to grow. So that mix is sort of a short-term, mid-term, and long-term play, and will continue through time. And, you know, that's why it's strategic for us.
Yeah, okay. And then I just wanted to spend a minute on ESCO. I don't know if this is a fair question, but maybe kind of hoping to kind of compare and contrast to Martin just knowing it's a similar revenue, but margin profile, that's obviously, Martin's obviously been a great acquisition, highly accretive, but, you know, what's similar, what's different, you know, can it be a home run like Martin has been so far?
Right, it can be, and we anticipate and expect it will be. The companies are similar in terms of size, earnings, sort of dominance, if you will. I'm a little reluctant to use that word, but, you know, their strength within a region. One of the differences is that when you look at ESCO, you're looking at a high-end electronics lab, and these are very, very rare. There's only a few standards-level electronic labs in the country. We happen to be one of them. They're a second one, but you can count them on one hand. And so they've invested a lot of money in the high-end electronics, which lends itself to the highly regulated markets which we serve. When you look at Martin, their strength is in dimensional and mechanical measurements, which is very different. And they have a strength there that, you know, definitely resonates well within medical device, for example. When you think of Minneapolis, you think of, you know, Metronix and Boston Science, St. Jude, they have different suites of services. Now they overlap. You know, if there was a Venn diagram, I would say 30, 40% overlap, but their specialties are different. And so we're gonna leverage that difference within the regions where they operate. And so I think they're similar, but different, and the difference is important to us.
Yeah, okay. All right, well, looking forward to see how things progress there. Thanks for all the color. Yep, thanks for your call.
Thank you. We'll take our next question from Max McAllis with Lake Street Markets. Please go ahead.
Hey guys, thanks for taking my question and congrats on the quarter. I just wanna start out with the Esco acquisition. How would you characterize their growth rate? I mean, would you put it into the service segment of Transcan of the high single digit growth, or how would you characterize that, I guess?
I think I would characterize it similar to ours. You know, they're a very high quality company. I've watched them grow for, I mean, many, many years, fairly consistently. What ultimately drives the growth is investment in your company, sales, marketing capabilities. They've done that consistently. They've done a really nice job.
And investment in people.
Investment in people, it's all part of it. And even during our discussions and negotiations, I mean, the people part was really important to them. And that fit like a glove with our value proposition, the way we approach business. So yeah, that all, you need all those things together, Max, to get the growth over time. And they've done a lot of really good things and they've definitely generated consistent growth over time.
Awesome, perfect. Hey, we shift to the 2026 expectations. When we talk about high single digit organic revenue growth in the second half, I mean, what does that imply for the Transcat Solutions business? I mean, is the other side of the, or is the other parts of the service business going to be growing high single digits, maybe low double digits, and then Transolutions is going to be still declining? Or how do you expect that to kind of shake out throughout the rest of the year?
Yeah, it implies stabilization in part in the Solutions business, which was our goal. I mean, the Solutions business, it's an important differentiator for us. When we go to win organic service business and we include the attributes of that channel for us, those suite of services, it makes us a better company. It makes our value proposition better. It resonates with our customers. So we're going to continue to drive that. Our goal this year was stabilization and we're making good progress towards that goal. And that's all, that's part of the story when we think about high single digits in the back half of the year, that's a contributing factor. You know, in addition to the activity levels we see now and the quoting levels, the win rates, you know, it all works together, but yes, Solutions is a part of it. And we expect it to be stable in the back half of the year.
Awesome, thanks for taking my questions, guys. Thank you.
Thank you, we'll take our next question from Martin Yang with Oppenheimer, please go ahead.
Thanks for taking my question. First, a few questions. ESCO sales, can you maybe give us more context on the timing of what helped to push the deal forward? You know, do they have a incentivized seller on the board or in management, you know, what helped to finalize the deal?
So, you know, the deal was finalized because I think the owner of the company, you know, just reached a point in his career where, you know, he had accomplished his goals and he was there, it was originally a family business and they've been running it for between 40 and 50 years. And I think, you know, we've always stayed in close contact with them, Martin, we've, you know, we have dinners together and we talk often and it was, you know, just a matter of time and I think he reached a point in his career where he saw that the best benefit for his people, and again, we talked about the importance of training and development, he's very passionate about that. And he had, it just reached a time when he just felt like going forward, he wanted to focus on other things in the back half of his life and Transcat was the one partner. He told me this time and time again that was gonna perpetuate what he created and that was gonna take care of his people and develop them and make the company better. So it all worked together and it was a matter of time. So, you know, we're really pleased.
Got it. And then within Esco's business, is there any rental or distribution components or is it all services, calibration services? Very
little, very little. It's primarily all core calibration services.
All of it. And then can you comment on maybe core distribution versus rental, is core distribution still declining on a -to-year basis? Is there any divergence of the growth rate between rental and core distribution?
We saw growth in both core distribution and rentals in the quarter, both parts of that segment perform well. And as I mentioned earlier in response to Greg's questions, we continue to see consistent demand on both sides of that segment as well in the Q2.
But if we take a longer term view, do you think, is there any updated thought on core distribution? Is it moderately declining business stable or do you see potential for it to start growing again?
No, our view, Martin, is consistent with our past view and that is our strategy is to grow services because the recurring revenue streams through regulation. Rentals is also part of our core strategy to continue to grow that, allocate capital. When it comes to core distribution, what we wanna do is we wanna maintain it. It's gonna get less capital investment because over the long term, the returns aren't as high as we'd like them to be and the opportunity isn't as great as the other areas. But we do think it's important. It is a differentiator and we wanna maintain it at its current levels. If it were over the long term to degrees a few points here and there, that's fine because that would reflect our capital allocation. That's what we would expect. It's doing really well right now but it's not gonna change our view on a strategic value. Its strategic value is to support our service growth over time because that differentiates us and we're gonna keep doing that and that's where we see that business going.
Got it. Last question from me on your confidence level for the return to high single digit organic growth. Maybe if I asked you to rank the relevant factors that build that confidence, how important is the stabilization of transact solutions in that equation and what are the other factors that gave you the confidence?
Well, I mean, when you look at long term organic growth rates, you're looking number one at capabilities, what work can we do and where can we do it and when you think about Martin and ESCO just as an example, since their recent acquisitions, every time you make an acquisition like that, you're creating a foundation that's gonna foster higher organic growth in the future because you've got more capabilities in a region and you're gonna be more competitive. So that's a factor. Our ongoing investment in process improvement, capabilities, improving turnaround time so that they're the industry best, that's also gonna improve organic growth rates and it's gonna improve customer satisfaction and retention, which is also a major component of organic growth rates. Solutions is just one of those elements that on certain accounts and certain opportunities, that's gonna give us a competitive advantage. On other accounts, it's not gonna be a factor. So it's just one of the many things we do over time to make us just a little bit better, marginally in some places, significantly in others and it's all part of it. So at the end of the day, it's gonna be capabilities, geography, service levels, retention, and the uniqueness of our value proposition. I think they all work together. And our goal is to continue to get better in as many or each of those elements as we can over time.
And I think our confidence is somewhat dependent on kind of the macro kind of uncertainty and the trend that we're seeing on that front continuing and no further erosion of it. I
mean, difficult macro environments, you may see organic growth in the mid single digits or the low single digits, but over time, if you go back over like the last five years, I think we're close to 8%, that's what we would expect as things normalize. But you're always gonna have the ebbs and flows of the economy, but it's still a really nice business model almost regardless.
Got it, thanks
Tom, that's it for me. Thank you.
Our next question comes from Ted Jackson with Northland Securities, please go ahead.
Thanks, good morning, congratulations on the fabulous results.
Thanks Ted. Thank you.
So my first question to you guys, so the outperforming fundamental distribution, I think I know the answer to this from the previous questions and how you responded to them, but we should view the first quarter kind of a baseline and that you should, it's not an anomaly as we think about the go forward for rental distribution, it should continue to grow from that phase, not like they fall back to the lack of a better term trend line in third quarter and then go.
Growth in rentals should not be viewed as an anomaly. I mean, it's part of our strategic plan to grow our rental business. Core distribution had a great quarter and of course we like that, but if core distribution kind of over time becomes sort of moderated by the fact that it's not strategic for us in the same way that rentals and services, you would expect that to be, it may continue to have a terrific year, it may continue just to moderate and have an average year, but again, we allocate capital towards where we get the highest returns and that's gonna be rentals and service and so we would expect both those to grow. That's not an anomaly. And the growth that we have. Yeah,
but I have to say, you know, you've grew it almost 20%, you know, which is way above kind of the norm. So it's like, you know, just making sure that I'm listening to you and understanding your answer. Secondly, with regards to growth and the return to high single digit growth, you know, you're gonna have a period of just, bluntly speaking, better comparables as you laugh through all the issues that went on with Nexa and such. When we think about organic growth, you know, absent the acquisitions, then I assume it would be fair to assume that as we roll through this year, that your growth rate, all else being equal, would accelerate as the drag from Nexa fades. Is that a good way to think about it? Point being, you know what I'm saying? Like, okay. Yep, that is
correct.
And would there be a case then, you know, given the acquisitions that as we get to the back half of this year, your, you know, reported growth rate should be well into double digits with, you know, two really large acquisitions. You know, I'm talking the services here really, but you start going with this, that you really have done up for some very, very good
top. Correct. And then
my last question is, as we look at this fabulous new acquisition that you've done, would it follow like a similar seasonal cadence as your core services business as we think about putting that revenue into our models? Would we, you know, basically, you know, for, excuse me, conversation sake, take $22 million and layer it in on top on a provided basis today?
Okay. That's correct. I mean, all three of your assumptions are, yeah, well, all three of your assumptions are correct and on point. It'll follow the same cycles as our business. And yeah, I agree with what you said across the board.
Well, and actually, just to get one more question, one more, it's a little more fun, you know? And so for all the fun that the world is having with Trump, the government change in policies and idea of bringing manufacturing back, you know, one area that he's putting a lot of effort into is a lot of things with Trump. It's a pretty shorting of life sciences, pharmaceuticals in particular. I mean, and so I guess the question is, are you seeing any activity that is driving the customer base to expand operations in the US? And would that be a tailwind for Transcat? If we think out, you know, maybe not this year, but you should go in for a longer term that, you know, if they make more pharmaceuticals in the country, they start bringing them back. That should be good for you, I would think. I mean, is that true? And are there other areas? And are you seeing any
on the dialogue around it? That's my last question. Look, I'll be very clear. Any and all on-shoring of manufacturing in the United States is good for Transcat, period. And the second part of your question is, you know, are we hearing, are we seeing signs or hearing any dialogue around that happening currently? And the answer is also yes. And we've got several companies that we're, we do a lot of business with the United States and we're definitely hearing, you know, we're gonna be opening X amount of facilities over the next five years. And I mean, I can count several just off the top of my head. Now, between that and them actually being up and running and creating opportunities for us, you know, for our business, that's gonna take time, Dad, as you know. But we are thinking about it. It is a good thing for us. It's gonna help our business long-term and we're excited about it. But, you know, I don't wanna get too excited because we're not talking about tailwinds in this year. I mean, it could start next year and the year after, but, you know, it's something that we absolutely are keeping an eye on. It's absolutely an opportunity for Transcat.
Okay, thanks for answering my questions. And again, congratulations on the quarter and the acquisition. Thank
you.
Thanks, Ted. Appreciate it.
Our next question comes from Scott Buck with H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Lee, I'm curious, first on ESCO, what kind of customer overlap is there with your, you know, the legacy Transcat business? Just trying to get my arms around what potential cross-selling opportunities could look like.
Okay, as far as overlap, they're about five times larger-ish than our facility and than our revenue streams in that area. So we do run a Boston facility and as far as capabilities go, we overlap in capabilities a lot. But, you know, we're doing about one fifth of business that they're doing. I think we bring those operations together sooner rather than later. We leverage our strengths with their strengths and, you know, we'll be better together. So that's what I would say. As far as the region itself, together, we're gonna be very competitive. You know, it's hard for me to even visualize why we wouldn't continue to grow and win where and when we want to. So I don't wanna be overconfident, but we're in that position. And so, and then, you know, you wanna expand. I mean, when I look at Esco, they are very strong, but what they don't have that we have is capital. And so, you know, we're a public company and we know how to allocate capital. So if we leverage their strengths, their expertise, their standards lab and feed them with capital so that we can capitalize on the opportunities we have together, that's what's gonna be unique. And as good and as strong as they are, they're still a small, privately-held company and now they join forces with us. And together, I think, you know, I like the prospects. So that's what we're excited about.
Great, that's helpful. And then I'm curious, you know, the company obviously has grown meaningfully over the last few years. Where are you in terms of kind of industry market share and are there opportunities to, you know, shift pricing higher with your current kind of market position?
Well, it's difficult to come up with market share because there's just not a lot of good public information, Scott, around that. But, you know, so I guess it's a certain degree we don't know. Now, there's a lot of in-house labs. As far as opportunities for growth, about a third of the market, roughly, are in-house calibration labs. And for those kind of labs, you know, we do their overflow work, we do their standards work and we supplement their labor during certain times. But there's always an opportunity with everyone of those labs to outsource them. We call them CBLs, client-based labs. So we're gonna continue to go after that market. Our value proposition around that market is very strong. I can't think of a single competitor that has a strength around, you know, outsourcing in-house labs like we do. So we're gonna continue, there's a big opportunity there over time. You've got the OEM business, right? You've got original equipment manufacturers, the Keysites, the Agilent, the, you know, Tektronix. You've got these companies, Rody Schwartz, and they could do their own cows of their products. But if you go into an average plant and there's a thousand or 10,000 instruments and they're managing a hundred vendors, Transcat can come in and do it all. So our value proposition is very strong in terms of competing against individual OEMs within a plant. And then you got the third-party market, which is where we are, where Esco was, where Martin is. And that's still a very big market. Obviously, our market share is increasing as we make these big acquisitions. But we've got a pretty good runway ahead of us and we're gonna make sure we do the best we can.
Great, appreciate the added color, guys. And congrats again on results.
Appreciate that, thank you.
That concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to turn it back over to Lee Redrow for closing remarks.
Okay, well thank you all for joining us on the call today. Relative to IR, we're gonna be busy. On August 12th, we'll be attending the Oppenheimer Technology Conference and participating in a fireside chat format Q&A. On September 18th, we'll be attending the D.A. Davison Conference in Nashville. That's new for us. On November 17th, we'll be attending the Raymond James Conference in Sonoma, California. It's also new for us. And for any of you who are attending any of these conferences, feel free to check in on us or really reach out to us anytime. Tom and I make ourselves available. We appreciate everybody's interest in Transcat and joining us on the call today. Take care.
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