Twist Bioscience Corporation

Welcome to TWIS Biosciences' 2024 Fourth Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Angela Bidding, SVP of Corporate Affairs.

Thank you, Operator. Good morning, everyone. I would like to thank you for joining us for TWIST Bioscience's conference call to review our fiscal 2024 fourth quarter financial results and business progress. We issued our financial results press release before the market, and it is available at our website at www.twistbioscience.com. With me on the call today are Dr. Emily LaCroix, CEO and co-founder of TWIST, Adam Loponis, CFO of Twist, and Dr. Patrick Finn, President and COO of Twist. Today, we will discuss our business progress, financial and operational performance, as well as growth opportunities. We will then open the call for questions. We ask that you limit your questions to only one and then reach you as a courtesy to others on the call. This call is being recorded and the audio portion will be archived in the investor section of our website and will be available for two weeks. During today's presentation, we will make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the U.S. federal securities laws. Forward-looking statements generally relate to future events or future financial or operating performance. Our expectations and beliefs regarding these matters may not materialize and actual results in financial periods are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. These risks include those set forth in the press release we issued earlier today, as well as those more fully described in our filings with the SEC. The forward-looking statements in this presentation are based on the information available to us as of the date hereof, and we disclaim any obligation to update any forward-looking statements except as required by law. We'll also discuss adjusted EBITDA, a financial measure that does not conform with generally accepted accounting principles. Information may be calculated differently than similar non-GAAP data presented by other companies. When reported, a reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures will be included in our earnings documents, which can be found on the investor section of our website. With that, I will now turn the call over to our CEO and co-founder, Emily Leprous.

Thank you, Angela, and good morning, everyone. Today, our team delivered a record quarter in revenue and margin growth, ending the year with a strong cash balance. We exceeded our guidance in every metric, including total revenue, gross margin, capital expenditure, and ending cash balance. We increased revenue for the seventh quarter in a row, reporting $84.7 million. This is an increase of 27% year-over-year and 4% sequentially. For the year, we reported $313 million in revenue, an increase of 28% over fiscal 2023. Gross margin for the quarter came in ahead of our guidance at 45.1%. For the year, gross margin was 42.6% compared to 36.6% for fiscal 2023, demonstrating the leverage of fixed costs with higher volume, as well as our ongoing commitment to continuous improvement and margin expansion initiatives. Transport was a quarter and the year came from our express product portfolio and jeans as a whole alongside continued growth in our NGS tools portfolio. We are also seeing positive traction by a farmer. Overall, the business remains strong and we're confident that this momentum will carry us into fiscal 2025. Before we dive into the details of the quarter, it's worthwhile reflecting on our journey since our IPO just over six years ago. During this time, We have been on a strong upward trajectory, growing our customer base, expanding our product portfolio, and capturing market share, all by leveraging our proprietary platform to drive sustainable growth. Our differentiated technology to neutralize chemistry and manufacture of DNA on silicon provides significant advantages for our customers and for Twist. Our platform allows us to deliver high quality products at an affordable price and provides significant sustainability advantages over plate-based approaches Importantly, we also have custom synthesis at unmet scale, which enables a growing menu of products in different iterations geared for diverse applications. We have harnessed our innovation engine to strategically and judiciously expand our product portfolio. Today, with our base of more than 3,500 customers across multiple industries, hundreds of SKUs serving a wide range of diverse applications, increasing market share in multiple markets, we are operating with incredible execution and financial We are now in the final push towards an incredibly important milestone, crossing the threshold of adjusted EBITDA breakeven. Our disruptive platform has shown all of our growth to date, and we believe there is tremendous potential for further development built on this technology. Once we reach adjusted EBITDA breakeven, we will be laser-focused on becoming cash flow positive, driving revenue while investing in profitable growth through our innovation engines. Our strategy applies this proactive R&D with exceptional operational execution and an on-the-ground understanding of our customers' needs. From the frontline teams to the executive leadership, we have the technical expertise and business acumen that will continue to fuel our next phase of growth as a company. Taking a deeper dive into our results, beginning with Sympio, we have an Express portfolio that is differentiated in the industry in terms of price, turnaround time, and ability to deliver at scale. One year ago, we launched our Express clonal genes, and over the course of the last year, we have added gene fragments, DNA preps, IgG proteins, and this is just the beginning. We've already seen this portfolio bring in new customers and new accounts, taking market shares from competitors. And this product line is accretive to our margin. We see our single product groups gaining traction and market share. Revenue from the express offerings grew quarter over quarter, as did net new accounts coming into twist. Turning to NGS, We saw strong performance driven primarily by customers developing and selling assays for myriad applications from rare disease and cancer diagnostics to liquid vaccine and beyond. These customers include twist targets enrichment panels and other twist tools in their assays. The revenues from this segment is sticky due to the high switching costs associated with revalidating a test with a different provider. Building on our success in delivering custom targeted panels quickly, we launched our minimal residual disease offering several years ago. Today, we are seeing significant uptake for tumor-informed MRD panels with thousands of markers. Recall that as customers advance their R&D programs, we benefit as each phase of development for these tests require more DNA. We expect MRD to follow a similar growth trajectory as liquid biopsy, with substantial revenue anticipated in 2026. By maintaining our sequencing agnostic approach, meaning our workflow is compatible with whatever platform our customers prefer, we remain a key partner providing NGS workflows for many different applications beyond liquid biopsy and minimal residual disease. Previously, we have highlighted our collaboration with Illumina, PacBio, and S4 Nalopore, among others, and last month, Element announced our inclusion in the Trinity workflow. Looking at growth moving forward, we continue to see customers adding more sequencing tools, including our application-focused library prep solution, as well as beads buffer, UDI, UMIs, adapters, enzymes, and more. As we prioritize growth sectors moving into Cisco 2025, one area that we believe is underappreciated by investors is our ability to develop proprietary enzymes. Enzymes play a role in so many workflows across Symbio and GSM biopharma, and in fact, entire companies are dedicated to creating enzymes. At Twist, using our proprietary writing platform, we can test thousands of enzyme variations in parallel, going through the design, build, test, learn cycle in a matter of weeks. This rapid iteration allows us to tailor enzymes for specific applications, applying our Symbio platform to develop new products for our customers. In the last several quarters, we have identified the proprietary ligase and incorporated it into a CS DNA laboratory prep kit specific to the liquid biopsy and MRD market. The data shows it outperforms all peer offerings, and the feedback has been positive, with customers seeing a significant improvement in sensitivity. Though this legacy was developed specifically for this application, customers that pursue whole genome sequencing can leverage this library practice without enrichment and see improved results in WGS. Importantly, while this new growth vector allows us to tap into new market opportunities, the development of our proprietary legacy resulted from only two R&D employees working for less than one year and what we believe will have an incredible ROI. We intend to pursue several other ransom classes in a structured and disciplined manner to continue providing value to our customers while tapping into new applications. In addition, Making our own proprietary enzymes is an example of insourcing that reduces our supply chain risk and improves our margin. Turning to BioPharma services, our revenue increased quarter over quarter. More importantly, orders increased. For BioPharma services, we know that orders convert directly to revenue in three to nine months. We believe this marks a turning point for the BioPharma Solution Group with solid potential to continue to build the service revenue. Validating our work to date, ZOMI paid us $15 million in cash for half of the future milestones on world peace as of October 2024. Importantly, we retained half of the upside, which has the potential to be significant in the future. We view the cash today as positive in our drive to adjust the EBITDA break-even without accessing the equity market. Our data storage team continues to advance development of the technology and recently converted to water-based enzymatic chemistry to synthesize DNA on our CMOS-based chips. This change applied to our terabyte scale product under development will mean lower cost and a more sustainable solution. I'd now like to turn the call over to Patty for commentary on some key margin initiatives. Thanks, Emily.

As we close fiscal 2024, it's remarkable what we've achieved as we remain laser focused on driving to profitability. For those of you who have had the pleasure of visiting our sites, you've seen the exceptional automation we have in place today. It is through a series of well-executed, continuous process improvements, along with software implementation, that we're able to expand our portfolio capabilities and importantly, our efficiency. And while the increase in revenue has and will continue to have the largest impact on margin, we are working diligently to hold costs relatively flat while growing revenue. Through well-executed continuous process improvements, operational efficiency, and a culture focused on operational excellence, we see continued margin growth moving forward. A few examples of our increasing efficiency include a new software distribution process that more than doubles the distribution capacity with the same headcount. Another example implemented over the last year is a new process for our oligo manufacturing that allows us to double the number of oligos to 16 million oligos per day in the same time and footprint. The second example not only increases our efficiency and turnaround time, but also allows us to increase our available revenue capacity. Third, we made changes to automate our NGS panel production that resulted in significant savings annually from the reduction of plastic tips and reagents, which also increases capacity. These are just three examples, and there are many more. Additionally, we're focused on optimizing our supply chain, given our increasing volume and purchasing power, consolidating vendors while maintaining second sourcing optionality. We believe our commitment to automation and continued operational excellence will allow us to march to 50% gross margin exiting Q4 fiscal 2025 and push beyond. Our larger team continues to serve as opportunities for cost and process optimization as we introduce new vectors of profitable growth for Twist. With that, I'll turn the call over to Adam to discuss our financials.

Thank you, Paddy. Revenue for the fourth quarter increased to $84.7 million, growth of 27% year over year, and approximately 4% sequentially. For fiscal 2024, revenue increased to $313 million, growth of 28% year over year. Q4 orders were $88.2 million, an increase of 24% year over year. Orders for the year were $344.2 million, compared to $263.8 million for fiscal 2023. Starting in Q125, we will focus order disclosures on biopharma solutions given the longer lead time for revenue recognition. For the full business, we will focus both on disclosures and guidance for revenue growth, gross margin expansion, and our path to adjusted EBITDA profitability, which we believe are better indicators of performance. Gross margin came in higher than expected at 45.1% for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2024. During the quarter, we ship to approximately 2,402 bill-to-customers, which we define as having a single billable address that may be multiple labs and or sites. We ended the quarter with cash, cash equivalents and short-term investments of approximately $276.4 million as of September 30, 2024. Subsequently, in October of 2024, we received $15 million in cash from ZOMA for the rights to half of our potential milestone and royalty payments related to select biopharma programs as of that date. This additional cash is not included in our fiscal 2024 year-end financials. Taking a deeper dive into revenue. Symbiote revenue increased to $33.9 million, growth of 28% year-over-year, with orders increasing to $36.3 million. For the full year, symbiote revenue increased to $123.5 million, compared to $98.2 million in fiscal 23, an increase of 26%. NGS revenue for the fourth quarter grew to approximately $45.5 million compared to $37.1 million in the fourth quarter of fiscal 23, an increase of 23% year-over-year. Orders increased to $46 million when we see continued sequential growth for NGS in the year ahead. For the quarter, revenue from our top 10 NGS customers accounted for approximately 40% of NGS revenue. For fiscal 2024, NGS revenue increased to $169.1 million compared to $123.7 million for fiscal 2023. Exceptional growth of 37%. We served 620 NGS customers in the quarter, with 143 having adopted our products. For biopharma, revenue was $5.3 million with orders of $5.9 million. We had 89 active programs as of the end of September 2024, and we started 68 new programs during the quarter. For fiscal 2024, revenue was $20.3 million. Looking geographically, America's revenue increased to approximately $52.7 million for the fourth quarter, compared to $43.7 million in the same period of fiscal 2023, growth of 21% year over year. For the fiscal year, the Americas accounted for 62% of revenue. EMEA revenue rose to $25.5 million for the fourth quarter versus $17.2 million in the same period of fiscal 23, growth of 48% year over year. For the fiscal year, EMEA represented 30% of revenue. APAC revenue increased to $6.5 million in the fourth quarter compared to $6.1 million in the same period of fiscal 23, growth of 8% year over year. APAC accounted for 8% of our revenue. China continues to be a relatively small portion of our revenue at approximately 2% of total revenue for fiscal 2024. Moving down the P&L, our gross margin for the fourth quarter increased to 45.1%, and for the fiscal year, gross margin increased to 42.6%, an improvement of six margin points versus fiscal 2023. Our Express portfolio The margin initiatives, including those Patty covered earlier, and their commitment to holding overhead and labor costs flat while growing revenue, resulted in the margin expansion for both the quarter and the year. Looking toward fiscal 2025, we continue to expect, on average, 75% to 80% of incremental revenue to drop the gross margin line. Operating expenses, excluding cost of revenues for the fourth quarter, were $74.3 million, compared with $74.6 million in the same period of 2023, highlighting our focus on holding operating expenses relatively flat while continuing to grow revenue and expand gross margin. Operating expenses included approximately $6 million for data storage in the fourth quarter. Operating expenses excluding the cost of revenues for fiscal 2024 were $354 million, including the impairment charge of $45 million in fiscal Q3. compared with $307 million in fiscal 2023. Looking at our progress and our path to profitability. For the fourth quarter of fiscal 24, adjusted EBITDA was a loss of approximately $17 million, an improvement of 9 million versus the fourth quarter of fiscal 23. For fiscal 2024, adjusted EBITDA was a loss of approximately $93.5 million, an improvement of approximately $54 million versus $147.3 million for fiscal 2023. Cash flow from operating activities continues to improve, and we are driving the adjusted EBITDA break even. For the 12 months ended September 30, 2024, net cash used in operating activities was 64.1 million, compared to 142.5 million for the equivalent 12-month period in 2023. Capital expenditures in fiscal 24 were $5 million, a reduction of 23 million versus 28 million of CapEx in fiscal 23. We ended the year with cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments of approximately $276.4 million versus $289.4 million as of June 30th. A reminder that this does not include the $15 million in cash we zone with. Turning to guidance. For fiscal 2025, we expect Total revenue of $357 million to $377 million, growth of approximately 17% to 20% year-over-year. Send bio revenue of $142 million to $146 million, growth of approximately 15% to 18% year-over-year. We expect NGS revenue of $204 million to $209 million, growth of approximately 20% to 24% year-over-year. For biopharma revenue, of 21 to 22 million, growth of approximately 3 to 8% year over year. For Q1 fiscal 2025, we expect total revenue of approximately 87 million, growth of approximately 22% versus Q1 of fiscal 2024. Symbio revenue of approximately 34 million, growth of approximately 26% year over year. NGS revenue of approximately 48 million, growth of 22% year-over-year, and biopharma revenue of approximately $5 million. For the full year of fiscal 2025, we expect gross margin of approximately 48% with quarterly sequential improvements and Q4 fiscal 2025 gross margin of 50%. We expect adjusted EBITDA loss of approximately $60 to $65 million for fiscal 2025 and improvement of approximately $30 to $35 million versus fiscal 2024. Q1 fiscal 2025 adjusted EBITDA loss of approximately $20 million with sequential improvements in subsequent quarters. As a reminder, Q1 contains an additional bump in OPEX due to bonus and promotional payouts. With that, I'll turn the call back to Emily.

Thank you, Adam. As we begin Cisco 2025, we stand at the cusp of a new era for Twist. The past year has been a testament to the power of combining visionary technology, game-changing products, and the relentless drive to enable the customer's success. We have advanced our product portfolio and grown revenue. More importantly, our commitment to providing cutting-edge solutions empowers our customers to tackle some of the world's most pressing challenges. By delivering precision, efficiency, speed, and scalability in our products and services, we have equipped researchers across myriad industries to pioneer breakthroughs that improve health, promote sustainability, and drive economic growth. We believe that when our customers succeed, we all succeed, creating a ripple effect of positive change that extends globally. Looking ahead. We are more committed than ever to pushing the boundaries of what's possible. We will continue to invest in research and development, employing fiscal discipline to provide products that generate profitable growth. We will continue to focus on delivering value to all of our stakeholders, employing financial discipline to hold firm on our march to address the EBITDA break-even. Before I conclude, I'd like to take a moment to thank our incredible employees who go above and beyond to serve our customers and each other every single day. It's been a banner year for Twist, and our employees deserve the recognition for what we have achieved together. Our momentum is building, and we look forward to keeping you apprised of our progress. Operator?

As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. One moment, please, while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Matt Sykes with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just I'll ask two questions just up front and get back in the queue. But can you just give us an idea for how Express Genes and new products trended as a portion of the SynBio mix throughout the course of this year and potentially what it was in Q4? And then secondly, understanding the operational efficiencies that you guys outlined plus the revenue growth. Adam, could you just give us an idea of OPEX and the trends next year, both for R&D and SG&A, and how we should think about phasing of that spend, either in terms of growth versus this year or quarterly phasing next year? Thanks.

Adam, are you on the line?

Yeah, absolutely. Matt, great. Thank you. Good morning. Thanks for the question. Excited to be here. I'll start with the second one first, and we'll come back into the first one. In terms of the second one, in terms of phasing, we expect very modest increases. I'll call it inflationary increases in OPEX. A big chunk of it will come in the first quarter as we do our merit annual bonus increases for the year, but it'll be pretty modest increases throughout the balance of the year, fairly in line with what we saw last year. Matt, in terms of your first question, you know, in terms of driver's growth as well as in gross margin, I think Patty hit on some of the really exciting opportunities we have in terms of the projects that we're driving. But we see that continued sequential improvement in gross margin each of the quarters starting in Q1 and going throughout the year and still reiterating the exit of the 50% gross margin as before.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Vijay Kumar with Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.

Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my question. Emily, on the big picture here, post-elections, a lot of questions on NIH budgets and competitive landscape. Can you talk about what is your total exposure to NIH budgets and I know customers, I think, in the past have asked you on where Twist is manufacturing your genes. Have you seen any change in comparative behavior? Is Twist seeing more share gains?

Yeah, thank you, Vijay. Good morning. On the NIH, we have a very small exposure. It's probably less than 1%. So actually, it's an opportunity for us to do better there. And we know that In the past, any time budgets were constrained, it was an opportunity for us to take market share because, again, our brand is high quality at a very, very good price. So it's going to be an opportunity, I think, for us to lean into that. And then as far as production, yes, 100% of all DNA is made in the US, and over the last few quarters, there's definitely more question around where is DNA being made. And so I think our customers are definitely thinking about their supply chain. And it's definitely going to be a headwind for our competitors that manufacture outside of the US. And I think it's a tailwind for us.

Understood. And maybe one on the P&L side here. What is, I know related part, there was some confusion related part of revenues. What is related part of revenue? How much was it in this quarter? And EBITDA guidance, is it implied fourth quarter EBITDA exit rate of, you know, in the minus 10 to minus 13 kind of range?

Vijay, happy to take the question. In terms of related party revenue, it was about $12 million in Q4, relatively in line with legacy. And in terms of EBITDA, what we've said is, you know, $20 million in Q1 is sequential improvement all the way throughout the year and netting out at 60 to 65 for the year. So the range you're talking about are unreasonable.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of

Hi, thanks for taking the question. Maybe one for Emily. It's great to see the continued partnership across the next-gen sequencing providers that Twist has. As you look at a lot of these next-gen sequencing providers, they're kind of developing these highly innovative solutions in terms of library prep. You mentioned Elements Trinity. And, you know, I think Illumina talked about the Constellation Map 3 technology, et cetera. Just kind of curious, kind of net-net, you know, what are the, from TWIS standpoint, do these, you know, new innovations provide greater opportunities in terms of, you know, essentially sales of your products? Or just kind of curious, like, how that affects your, you know, I guess overall total revenue opportunities in the future? Sure.

Thanks for the question. We see it as a positive. As the technology advances, there's more focus on quality and performance, which is what we provide with our probe, with our enzymes, and now with our own laboratory prep. And the other benefit that we have compared to maybe other competitors is the speed at which our R&D works. And so As those technologies evolve, we're able to stay on the bleeding edge and leveraging both our innovation and our commercial execution to grow our revenue.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sugun Nambi with Guggenheim Securities. Your line is now open.

Hey guys, thank you for taking my question. Could you elaborate on the different moving parts to the 2025 guide? Which end markets growth are you assuming for NGS growth? Are you baking in any FDA approvals or Medicare reimbursements? And could you also provide additional insights into 2025 assumptions for the SYN biomarker? And last, what are you assuming express genes to be? Is it all upside, or are you assuming anything in the 48% gross margin target? Thank you for that.

Thank you for the question. No, it's a great question. And as we're kind of looking at the year, kind of may step back and say, first of all, how pleased we are with the progress we've made. You know, seven quarters of sequential growth in revenue, you know, gap gross margin of 850 basis points. Now, reduction in gap op-ex in Q4 versus prior year, minimal cap-ex through the year. And we look at the second half, we expect to continue to see that, you know, our cash burden back half of this year was only $17 million. It's going to be moved forward. We're only going to expect to see improvements up and down the P&L. When I look at the drivers, specifically what was assumed in the modeling, for NGS, we have not assumed an MRD rep. We assume the continued improved our customer base, and then going down to the Symbio side, we're seeing expansion of the number of net new accounts. We're seeing expansion continue in Express Genes, and we're seeing that positive uptick already this year. We expect a continuation of that next year. And from where we sit down the P&L and into other areas of the business, we do expect to see the continued improvement in gross margin sequentially throughout these

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Luke Sergut with Barclays. Your line is now open.

Great. Thanks, guys. Can you talk a little bit about the DNA storage? I guess is this the Sentry Archive solution? Supposedly, I remember talking about being commercialized either this year, at the end of this year, maybe in the next year, you know. The update there on the slides is helpful, but just kind of, are there earn-outs associated with this or milestones? Who are the early access customers? Any other details you guys can give us on that?

Yeah, thank you, Luke. As you know, the internet as such is a key future vector of growth for us. The market is really, really big. When we go into it, we need to be competitive with existing technologies that are tape and hard drive. And so we are fully focused on the terabyte chip and the terabyte applications. And so what the team is doing is focusing on that technology development first. It's a combination of both the chip and the synthesis. And at this point, we have fully converged on an enzymatic chemistry approach that is deployed for those chips. And the reason for enzymatic focus is from a point of view of both cost and sustainability, that's what we need. So at this point, we're really, really strongly focused on that development. And so therefore, it's a little bit early to speak about customer, but the team is making great progress.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matt LaRue with William Blair. Your line is now open.

Good morning. For Adam, of the gross margins above in the quarter, and I think that was despite the top line upside coming from SynBio. So, just curious if that reflects, you know, a bias towards expressed gene relative to your expectations. Anything else to think about in terms of the scale of that factor in the future? Just maybe help us think about where the gross margin upside came from in the quarter.

Great question, and I think in terms of the gross margin upside, I've mentioned it before. We see, whether it be SynBio now or NGS, that 75% to 80% of the incremental revenue will drop the gross profit. I think we're seeing that play out here in Q4. I'd say Express Genes was a tailwind as it continues to see sequential improvements quarter and quarter. But those are not outsized in any way, shape, or form, but this is more a reflection of as we continue to grow and we continue to see growth faster than expectations, we're seeing the growth margin fall in line with that growth. So I'd also hit on some of the key points that Patty mentioned on the call. There are a number of operational initiatives that we are working on and have been working on in 2024. all of which are adding to the continued improvement gross margin. And we expect to see more of those improvements as we go into 2025, but the timing of which is a bit uncertain. On some of them, they'll actually hit the P&L. If you think an improvement that launches in the sixth week of the quarter will be different than one that launches in the tenth week of the quarter. We're no less excited about those improvements, but we will be a bit cautious in the when that impact hits.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Puneet Sudha with LeRink Partners. Your line is now open.

Yeah, hi, guys. Thanks for the questions here. So first one, I mean, I appreciate you providing the NIH exposure, which is low, but just wondering, just given the political situation, and again, HHS appointment, which is not finalized yet, but again, given all of those sort of moving parts and the potential for pressure on pharma and FDA and combined with NIH potential cuts, could you maybe quantify for us how much is your, first of all, pharma and related biotech exposure And so what gives you confidence in the 17 to 20% fiscal 25 guide? Is that more on taking share? Is it growth in NGS and getting more into diagnostic assays? And is it more in, you know, or is it more symbio, you know? And then if I could ask just a separate question around biopharma, I appreciate that, you know, the Zoma deal, but just trying to understand, you know, it's now 6% of your revenue biopharma overall. So how core is this business to you? 50% was already part of the deal, and you had a leadership change there. One of your leaders of the biopharma divisions left for a competitor. So just wondering how core is this business to you now? Thank you.

Thank you, Vijay. Maybe I'll start with the second one first. The biopharma team... I've always been really great on the science. So we know that when we get an order for a service where we get the target, we're able to leverage the full spectrum of our AI in vivo, in vitro technology to give candidate drugs. So from a technology point of view, I think we're punching really, really strongly. We know that commercially we've been struggling. And so I'm very pleased to see the orders that we achieved last quarter. And so it's an NF1. We have to do it again. But in terms of benefits to the broader company, I think maybe it's underappreciated how having the the service offering from BioPharma is very useful with selling the products that are captured in SynBio. Because really we go talk to the same customer and we can either offer them a product if they want to do the work in their lab, or we can offer them a service if they want to outsource. And so there's that one-two punch that's very useful when we're able to serve both. At the same time, obviously, all the businesses, all the pro groups need to pull their weight, and I'm looking forward to the BioPharma revenue to go back on the upswing. As far as exposure to BioPharma funding, I think we report, we share that the Our health care exposure is about 60%, and that both for the SynBio, NGS, and Biopharma product group. And as you know, there's been several years of Biopharma funding pressure, and we've done really well. And it's no accident that we've been doing well over the last few years. our products and services are really differentiated, combined with some commercial violence that we apply when we go sell. So I look forward to more of that. And we're quite positive about the future.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tom Peterson with Baird. Your line is now open.

Hey, thanks, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just quickly from me, I think you mentioned share gains on the Symbio side directly related with the express genes offering. I mean, can you elaborate on where you're seeing share gains here? Is this conversion of DNA makers? Are you seeing share gains elsewhere, and then maybe just quickly a second question. I don't know if I missed this. Did you disclose what you're expecting to spend from an OpEx perspective in 25 on DNA data storage? Thanks.

Tom, it's Paddy here. Thank you for the question. I'll take the first part of that. I think with the express genes, you know, obviously sequential growth is good, but it's also allowing us to expand downstream and for the customer more broadly into their workflows. And so a fast gene enabled us to move down into preps, protein IgG works and very positive performance. And we think that will continue.

In terms of data storage, if you look at it on a 2024 basis, We spent, in terms of OPEX, around $25 million on a gap basis. Cash was probably closer to $20 million. We haven't provided specific guidance in terms of where we're going to be in 2025, but I would expect a relatively stable investment profile.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brendan Smith with TD Cowan. Your line is now open.

Hey, this is Joe Atrasky. I'm for Brendan Smith. Could you just give a little more color on the proprietary enzymes that you mentioned? Sort of why now? Have there been sort of developments that make this the right time to start launching products there? Or was this just sort of a natural next up area to deploy that technology?

Yeah, thanks for that question. Yeah, basically, it's a wonderful use for our platform. And the scale of DNA synthesis that we have gives us an unfair advantage to use in the exploration for new enzymes. And we've done very, very well in terms of the products we've made for target enrichment. And now as they go into workflows, making proprietary enzymes with interesting features is just another point of differentiation that's well received by the customer. And so for the first product that Emily mentioned around our ligase, Essentially, it's right on the twist theme of more efficient use of the sequencer. We label every molecule to get it onto, or most of the molecules or more of the molecules to get onto the sequencer, which really drives efficiency and a good outcome for the customer. And when you look at it, our ability to make differentiated workflows is going to be very important for the customer base going forward. So the timing is good. And yeah, we like the roadmap of enzymes we've got coming through.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Thomas DeBorsy with Nefron Research. Your line is now open.

Morning. My question just relates to orders. And I guess going back to your fiscal Q2, you saw a step up in customer purchase orders with the calendar year beginning. I was just curious, as you look towards 2025, would you expect a similar dynamic of a step up in purchase orders with, I guess, the start of the calendar year and, sorry, just to go back to 2024, you know, how you saw in terms of the execution and conversion of orders from those open purchase orders? Thanks.

Tom, this is Adam, and thank you for the question. We're really pleased with how the business is performing. You kind of look at it, you know, as I've been hitting on the seven sequential quarters of increased revenue. We are seeing that order pattern with more customers making longer-term commitments to us and wanting to use different mechanisms that are easier for a procurement perspective. We expect to see sequential growth in both orders and revenue throughout the year next year. As I mentioned on the call earlier, our commentary and disclosures moving forward in orders will be focusing primarily on biopharma. And we'll really be driving home the forecast and expectation of revenue in our disclosures moving forward in 2025. But we are very pleased with the progress we're seeing and the continued expansion, not just on the order side, but truly on the revenue up and down the P&L.

Thank you. Our next question is a follow-up from Matt LaRue with William Blair. Your line is now open.

Thanks for the follow-up. I'm going to ask two quick ones. The first, a couple questions about NIH. I think historically, or I guess over the summer, you've done some things to make your offering more streamlined in the academic market, and just curious how you think that positions you going forward. And then the last one is to clean up Adam's comment there. So just to confirm, going forward, you will not be providing orders on SynBio and MGS. I think that's what you're saying, but just confirming. Thanks.

Adam, you want to cover the second question first? Sure, I'll take it.

Absolutely, I'll take the second part. I am confirming that, that we are going to be focusing our disclosures and orders in the area just in biopharma moving forward for fiscal 25.

And thank you, Matt, and for the first question. Yes, indeed, we have been focusing on the workflow, the user experience for the academic tool order. So not only do you need to have great products, which we do, they're fast, they're high quality, they're low cost, so it's overall a great value. And then we've also been focused on the user experience with the e-commerce and especially the integration of our e-commerce website with the ordering systems of academic institutions. So you have Ariba, Coupa, Jaeger, Science Exchange and a few others. And so internally, we could be B2B or punch out. So we're working on integrating that link between our e-commerce and the institution. And we've seen, as are those first one rollout, the growth in revenue that we see in those institutions, the number of net new users from those institutions is really, really positive. So historically, we've been focused more on the big accounts first. That has been a winning strategy. But now we're also on the... strategy of going after the long tail of customers. So thanks for asking. It is definitely something that is top of mind for us, and we think we have a good solution. And now it's a question of getting those institutions to sign on and hook up with our e-commerce.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Vijay Kumar with Evercore SI. Your line is now open.

Hey, thanks for squeezing me back in. Adam, maybe just back on that related party. It's a term we don't come across with other companies. Can you just give us some flavor on what is this and why does Twist have to disclose this? Thank you.

No, Vijay, happy to. And it's pretty benign here in the sense that we have three related parties in our fiscal 2024, one of which was no longer a related party, is at the end of Q3. All three of the parties are public U.S.-based companies, one of whom our CEO sits on the board, and one of them is a board member of ours who is the CEO of that company. So we're, you know, we continue to see that business be relatively stable, and we will obviously disclose that in our 10-K and 10-Q. It's an accounting requirement similar to pretty much every other company out there. Now, Vijay, I appreciate the question. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Rachel Vattenstall with JP Morgan. Your line is now open.

Hey, good morning. Thanks so much for taking the questions. Just squeeze one here in on express genes, kind of a three-parter. But first off, could you just quantify for us how meaningful express genes was this quarter? And then now that you're a bit further into the launch, I was wondering if you can break down for us what the updated pricing premium is for express genes over the past few quarters. And then just lastly, how do you think about contribution from express genes into the targets you laid out for 25 today? Thanks.

Thank you, Rachel. It's a very important topic for us, and thanks for bringing it up. So as a step back, as a reminder, now we're not only talking about express genes, but we've actually built on that initial express gene launch to build what we call an express portfolio. So you can get express fragments, you can get express genes, you can get express PREP, last quarter we reported being able to do express IgG where we're able to to ship IgG protein express in show in in in certain days so that combination of that extra portfolio is doing a couple things the first one is is boosting our revenue. Again, we are seeing sequential growth from our express portfolio. It's adding net new customers. It's converting makers into buyers. And just as a quick clarification, some customers used to be buyers of fragments and they were making their own clonal genes. Well, now they can buy it. Or customers who buy clonal genes and then they will make their own prep. Now they can buy the prep. Or they were buyers of preps and they would make their own IgG. Now they can buy the IgG. So that conversion of makers to buyers is happening. And then the last thing that we really, really appreciate is the increase contribution to our margin from the express portfolio and we've reported now it's multiple quarters in a row where 75 to 80 percent of our revenue growth dropped to the the growth margin line and and in the past we had a different differential in growth margin between synbio and nngs and thanks to our express gene portfolio now it's it's about the same. And so if there is a new dollar that comes in, it doesn't really matter if it goes into the Symbio line or the NGS line. The benefit to the gross margin line is the same. So going forward, we continue to leverage that portfolio. It's really very much a winner. And we look forward to benefiting from the revenue growth step and the margin benefit to get us to our goal of getting to adjusted EBITDA break-even without going back to the market.

Thank you. I would now like to hand the call back over to Emily Leprous for closing remarks.

As we close, let me emphasize this. TWIST delivered record-breaking results in fiscal 2024, and we're on a clear trajectory towards profitability and continued long-term growth. Our technology is transforming industries, driving innovation, and delivering value to our customers and shareholders. With momentum at our back, a relentless focus on disruptive innovation and discipline innovation, we are poised to reach new heights in fiscal 2025. I want to thank our employees, customers, and investors for your trust and partnership as we ride the future together. Thank you for joining us today.

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.