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Good afternoon and welcome to the UTO earnings conference call for the first quarter ended March 31st, 2021. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Participants of this call are advised that the audio of this conference call is being broadcast live over the internet and is also being recorded for playback purposes. A replay of it will be available shortly after the end of the call through May 28, 2021. I would now like to turn the conference over to Joe Hassett, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Matt, and thank you, everyone, for participating today. Welcome to UCO's first quarter 2021 financial results conference call. The earnings release, which UCO issued yesterday after market closed, is available on the company's Investor Relations website at uco.com backslash investors under news. On this call today are Louis Hope, President and CEO, Greg Carter, Senior Vice President of Payment Facilitations, Tom Jewell, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Houston Frost, Senior Vice President of Business Development and Prepaid Products. Management will provide prepared remarks, and then we will open the call to your questions. Before we begin, please remember the comments on today's call include forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of such words as estimate, anticipate, expect, believe, intend, may, will, should, seek, approximate, or plan for the negative of these words and other similar words and phrases. Forward-looking statements by their nature involve estimates, projections, goals, forecasts, and assumptions and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or outcomes that differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements. including risks related to the COVID-19 pandemic and its effect on the economy, the realization and the opportunities from the IMS acquisition, management of the company's growth, the loss of key resources, the relationships with the automated clearinghouse network, bank sponsors, third-party card processing providers and merchants, the volatility of stock price, the loss of key personnel, growing competition in the electronic commerce market, the security of the company's software, hardware, and information, compliance with complex federal, state, and local laws and regulations, and other risks detailed in the company's filings with the SEC. These forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of this Congress call and should not be relied upon as predictions of future events. UCO expressly disclaims any obligations or undertaking to update or revise any forward-looking statements made today to reflect any change in UCO's expectations with regard thereto or any other changes in the events, conditions, or circumstances on which any such statement is based. except as required by law. Please refer to the company's SEC filings on its investor relations website for additional information. And with that, I would now like to turn the call over to Louis. Louis.

Louis Williams Thank you, Joe, and welcome, everyone. The first quarter was another record quarter with record processing volumes and record revenue growth. After four consecutive years of revenue growth and a strong recovery over the second half of last year, We are pleased that we have carried that momentum into the new year. Revenues were up 73% to $13.5 million, with strong growth in all of our business lines. We achieved record transaction processing volumes in the quarter, with total dollars processed nearly $1.9 billion, an increase of 113% from a year ago. And more importantly, more than double the processing volume of any prior quarter in the company's history. This led to a 15% increase in card revenue, a 38% increase in ACH revenue, and a 61% increase in prepaid services. In addition, our first full quarter of ownership of IMS which we have rebranded UCO Output Solutions, contributed revenue for the first three months of the year that exceeded our acquisition assumptions. Consequently, the second consecutive quarter, we reported positive adjusted EBITDA. Without question, we experienced an outstanding growth quarter across all of our business lines, including the bottom line. We believe these results clearly demonstrate that our growth trajectory has inflected. Once again, we attribute our success to our strategy to offer to the growing electronics payment market a diverse portfolio of payment channel solutions, including ACH, prepaid, card processing, and now output solutions. To improve transparency, we provide business line revenue reporting, so let me offer some high-level comments by business lines. I'm particularly pleased with ACH, which had its best quarter ever after battling through a year of coronavirus-induced headwinds. There is no other way to describe it other than as remarkable growth. The strategic actions we initiated as these headwinds arose, have resulted in a broader portfolio of products serving more diverse end markets that provides an even stronger, more dynamic foundation for future growth. One of our early actions that is now contributing significantly to our growth is our foresight in recognizing the potential of the cryptocurrency market when it was in its infancy. Growth and volumes in this market are now exploding. In part due to our success in this market, ACH is on pace for a record year and remains our most profitable business line. In addition, we are seeing strong growth from new products such as pinless debit and account inquiry. ACH is off to a great start in the second quarter with no current signs of any let up from the first quarter's momentum. which could lead to another record quarter for ACH volumes and the associated revenues. Our card business also had a breakout quarter where momentum is picking up. Dollar process were up 30% while transactions process were more than double. We've consistently been investing in our PayPak platform as a strategy to accelerate growth. And we are now experiencing a rapid adoption of this technology by many integrated software vendors with whom we have been partnering. Greg will review our performance in more detail, but I believe we have reached an inflection point in our car business. The pace of ISVs implementing our technology is on the rise, and we have become a leader in certain industries, such as software for bankruptcy attorneys, and we are getting larger deals, such as our first, ever potentially $100 million plus per year ISV. There is no question that we have so much momentum that we should see sequential improvement over the balance of this year. Like ACH, our car business is off to a great start in the second quarter and is likely to achieve another quarter of record volumes in revenues. After doubling in fiscal 2020, Prepaid load volume doubled again in the first quarter, driving a 61% increase in revenues. As Houston will discuss in a minute, our prepaid business is now branching out within many government, municipal, and other similar organizations that originally turned to us for prepaid solutions for their COVID relief programs. The strong relationships we built with these nearly 100 organizations under these programs are leading to it a wealth of new opportunities within the organizations to grow our prepaid solutions. I'm very pleased with the growth of prepaid over the past year, and I believe 2021 could be another year of rapid growth. As I briefly mentioned, after just four months as part of the UCO family, output solution is already exceeding our expectations. I attribute this to the smooth integration into the UCO family where we experienced no disruption in operations and created numerous synergies. I remain optimistic output solutions will be accretive to our 2021 earnings as contemplated in our original acquisition expectations. We ended the quarter in solid financial condition with only a modest use of cash to support the nearly doubling of our business. And with the expectation to be cash flow by the end of the year, we believe we are more than sufficiently funded to support our growth initiatives over the next 12 months. With a solid first quarter in the book, we have now generated steady, if not even more recent spectacular, sequential improvement in our performance for nearly two years. And with the exception of last year's COVID-influenced second quarter, already the second quarter of 2021 is shaping up to be another strong quarter. As of yesterday, the midpoint for the second quarter, we've already processed over $1.4 billion in volume. That is nearly 75% of the quarterly record $1.9 billion we processed in the entire first quarter, which in itself was twice that of our previous record. Furthermore, on a year-to-date basis, we're nearly at the same level as for all of 2020, with seven months left in the year. That's impressive progress. As for guidance, we are obviously experiencing a growth rate that demonstrates our previous estimate of 50 million in revenue for 2021 should be exceeded. And as a result, we have exceeded our internal projections. This acceleration is so dramatic that we're refining our internal projections almost daily. Soon we will provide more clarity, but we are forecasting a revenue range of 53 to 56 million for 2021, with being adjusted EBITDA positive and the range being contingent on continued improvement in overall economy, continued excitement in the cryptocurrency marketplace, and the recovery of the consumer lending industry. Finally, I'd like to remind everyone that we will be hosting our annual shareholder meeting on June 10th. The meeting will be held in person and virtually to allow for ease of participation. With that, I'd like to now conclude my opening remarks and turn the call over to Houston Frost, our Senior Vice President of Prepaid Services.

Thank you, Louis, and thank you to everyone participating in the call this morning. As Louis mentioned, the prepaid business is off to a solid start this year, with another quarter of better than 100% growth in load volume as compared to the same period last year. Prepaid card transaction volume growth was also strong, up 89%, leading to a 61% increase in first quarter prepaid card revenues. We are continuing to see a shift in program activity with our nonprofit and government clients moving from dispersing COVID relief funds to issuing cards for a variety of other civic and community-related programs. Some example of these include guaranteed income programs like the Compton Pledge and Humanity Forward, a variety of programs for domestic workers with the National Domestic Workers Alliance, transportation stipends and other support for job placement programs in various cities, and the Cash for Trash program in San Jose, California, which helps provide support to the homeless population for keeping the city clean. We've also had the opportunity to compete for some state-administered programs, which have the potential to be substantially larger than many of the county and municipal programs we've supported in the past. In virtually all cases, these new programs are longer-term and have potentially significant larger volumes. Our involvement with the COVID relief-related programs administered by over 100 community, civic, social, nonprofit, and governmental organizations have been the foundation of our recent strength. In the process, we've built strong relationships with these organizations through our exceptional attention to service and expediency and delivering a product that meets the needs of our clients. On previous calls, you've heard me emphasize the significance of our relationships. Nowhere is this more evident than in the introductions and recommendations offered by our current clients to similar organizations and related agencies that are in need of a card solution to disperse funds. For 2021, we expect another strong year. While our revenue was lower in the first quarter as compared to the final quarter of 2020, this was primarily due to a large card order delivered in December. We have anticipated there being a cooling-off period as COVID-related programs wound down and new disbursement programs ramped up. However, we continue to win new business, and we expect to see sequential revenue growth from this point forward. These revenue increases will be driven not only by new business and new disbursement programs, but also from the recognition of revenue that is still expected from the cards issued in 2020. Beginning in late Q2 and in Q3 of this year, we will recognize revenue from breakage and dormant accounts. All in all, we are excited about the continued prospects of our prepaid card issuance line of business and expect continued growth in 2021. With that, I'd like to conclude my remarks and turn the call over to Tom Jewell, our Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, to discuss financial results in greater detail.

Thanks, Houston, and welcome, everyone. Thanks for joining our call today and your interest in UCO. I'm going to provide a brief review of our first quarter financial results before turning the call over to Greg. As mentioned, revenues for the quarter ended March 31st, 2021 were 13.5 million, an increase of 73% compared to the same period last year. That's a meaningful acceleration in our growth rate from 27% in the last quarter reflecting both organic growth and a full quarter of output solutions revenues. Our organic growth rate was also impressive at 25%. Revenue growth was led by prepaid, which was up 61% in the quarter on a nearly doubling in card load volumes. And ACAs and complimentary service revenues were up a strong 38% after decreasing throughout much of 2020 due to the significant impact of COVID on the non-bank consumer lending market. Revenues in our credit card line were also up, increasing 15% from a year ago on strong growth in both volume and transactions process, especially in PayFact, where revenues were up 40%. In addition, the December 2020 acquisition of Output Solutions contributed 3.8 million of revenues in the quarter. Gross profits in the quarter increased 51% to $2.9 million, although gross margins of 21.6% were down from the same period in the year-ago quarter. But in line with our expectations, as discussed on last quarter's call, where we indicated that gross margins for the year would likely be in the low 20% range. Output solutions gross margins came in as expected, which are below our consolidated margins. For the quarter, total other selling general administrative costs were up 25% from the year-ago quarter, reflecting the incremental cost of output solutions overhead and our continued investments in prepaid and payback growth initiatives. We expect modest increase in other SG&A expenses over the balance of the year in support of our significant growth initiatives and to maintain our high service levels. Operating loss in the first quarter was approximately $700,000, an improvement of $150,000 from a year ago. Adjusted EBITDA was positive $247,000 in the quarter, a nearly $400,000 improvement over the first quarter of 2020. This is our second consecutive quarter of positive adjusted EBITDA. For the quarter, we reported a loss of $720,000, or 4 cents per share, compared to a loss of 857,000 or six cents per share a year ago. The company remains in strong financial position. Cash and cash equivalents at March 31st, 2021, totaled 4.3 million down from the year end, which was primarily attributable to the timing of accounts receivable collections. During the quarter, we also took out a small equipment loan to finance a new postage sorter at Output Solutions. We believe we have the liquidity and financial strength to support continued investment in our growth initiatives, to fund operations, and to undertake selective accretive acquisitions consistent with our growth strategy. We have seen steady increases in our revenues and growth over the last three quarters since the onset of the global pandemic. As Lewis mentioned, we are already expecting strong growth again in the second quarter. This should enable us to self-fund operations and our growth initiatives in 2021. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Greg. Greg?

Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. It was another record quarter for the card segment. Total dollars processed were up 30%, which is a significant sequential acceleration from growth of 17% in the preceding fourth quarter. We also generated a doubling in transactions processed. Arguably, the exponential rate I discussed last quarter which led to a 15% increase in revenues. These key metrics illustrate how the growth of our card business has inflected and is now accelerating. I attribute our success to our unwavering commitment to our strategy of galvanizing our infrastructure and implementing new processes and procedures to improve productivity and efficiency. The end result is an increase in our conversion rates, and I'm glad to report that remains on the rise. Compared to June of last year, The proportion of boarded ISVs that are now processing on our platform has almost tripled. One of the drivers behind these improvements is a new tool we introduced that illustrates the number of an ISV's merchants that are processing compared to the total of merchants boarded. ISVs can get highly motivated when they see how much money they are leaving on the table by not pursuing better merchant penetration strategies. And we can help them with those strategies and provide resources that have a proven track record of improving these rates with little effort on their part. This is one of my highest priorities, and I am committed to sustaining and improving conversion rates, not just with existing ISVs, but also assuring the new ISVs that leverage our PayFact platform initiate their processing at the earliest possible opportunity. There is a long runway here. And just the ISVs with whom we are presently engaged, we estimate there are billions of dollars in electronic payments being processed outside of UCO. And we are continuing to add new ISVs to the UCO platform. As Louis briefly mentioned, we are finding more upstream opportunities with larger ISVs who value our technology. We have signed agreements with ISVs that process in excess of $100 million per year. Our pipeline is very active as both our recent market initiatives and expanded sales organization are generating opportunities in both traditional and new markets. For instance, while we've been involved in the market before, there's been a renewed interest, increase in interest from the ministry and nonprofit verticals. Output Solutions has also provided entree into some of their clients, and the recently established franchise vertical is already having tremendous success. The key remains to keep our eye on the ball. As an example of the success Of the success of this simple strategy, we've had record growth in the legacy portfolio by providing unparalleled service to the point where there's virtually no attrition. Now with the worst of COVID behind them, this portfolio of merchants is growing again, which is one of our three growth channels, in addition to new ISVs and increased portfolio penetration. This is a simple and natural path to growth. There's nothing fancy to it. It's a complete service mentality that we believe is sorely lacking in our industry. I've made this point of emphasis a sentiment I've shared with you on previous calls. As the economy recovers, we expect many of our clients to experience strong processing volume growth. With vehicle traffic down, our parking garage clients have suffered. And with bankruptcies at historic lows, these attorneys have also been impacted by COVID. Now that things are returning to normal, it is entirely possible these PayFact clients will be generating very strong processing growth. Before concluding, I want to remind everyone that while we certainly feel good about our position, we recognize the COVID risk. Clearly growth in the card segment has been plucked as a result of our tireless efforts to implement our discipline strategy. We see even better times ahead. Momentum continues to build and success begets success. Fiscal 2021 is shaping up to be a record year for the card segment and the foundation for even greater success in the future. That concludes our prepared remarks for today. So we would now like to open up the call for questions.

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then 2. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question will come from Barry Sign with Spartan Capital Securities. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, gentlemen, and congratulations on the strong results. A couple questions, if you don't mind. First of all, your new business, the Output Solutions, could you give us an update on kind of the synergies there? And it's my understanding the synergies can flow both ways. You can sell their services to legacy UCO customers and vice versa. And I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, that business wasn't growing all that fast as it was in a sale process, but it seems like you've re-accelerated the growth of that business.

So, we're going to see growth occur from that business in three ways. First, we've increased their sales force to be more aggressive about them just selling the products that they had before UCO. And they've been doing a good job at that. Secondly, we're definitely selling print into our customer base. We have a lot of municipalities, a lot of lenders, mortgage customers that require statementing, that require regulatory notices, and they're already outsourcing it to somebody else. and they value their payment relationship more than they do that print. So we're able to grab that print volume away from their existing suppliers. And that's been great for us. Furthermore, we're getting quite a bit of introductions into the existing IMS customers, utilities to provide payment services as well. Overall, The acquisition of IMS is really exceeding our expectations to the point where we had to buy a new machine to sort more mail. If you remember, we print so much mail that the Postal Service actually has what's called the detached unit inside our offices where postal employees come to our offices. They have their own office inside our office and they actually accept mail for the Postal Service right there in our office.

Okay. And a question for Greg. Obviously, great momentum continuing in PayFac. I'm wondering if you could expand a bit on some of your comments. I tried to write everything down. Maybe I missed some of this. But obviously, you have relatively low penetration of customers you've already won. So you've won them, but they're not processing well. And I think you said that that percentage, though, while low, has tripled from the year-ago period. Could you elaborate on that?

Sure. And that's really the – that's the holy grail in the payback model is to get that conversion rate as high as possible. So when an ISV comes on board and they have a subscription base of 100 to 1,000 actual software subscribers, it's getting those to convert to the payment is – is really where we're focusing on. And as I said, we've tripled that because that conversion rate percentage a year ago, before we had some infrastructure in place, was in the 20s. It's now exceeding close to 50%. So it's actually the numbers at 47% to be specific. So we're improving that day in and day out. And we've got dedicated individuals that spend time with the ISVs to help them with webinars, with email campaigns, with direct sales. efforts to that subscriber base. So a big area of focus in addition or in parallel with our traditional sales operation.

Okay, that's great, Greg. Thank you. My last question, maybe for Louis, is kind of a macro question. Obviously, you've benefited significantly from government programs during the course of the pandemic, and you're increasing penetration into that sector. If you look at what's come out of Washington, we've had a stimulus bill that's already passed and an infrastructure bill that's, uh, been proposed. If you look at those bills coming out of Washington, is there, are there any goodies in there for UCO that, you know, you, you think will drive accelerated business? And if so, what are they?

You're going to make me sick talking about Washington, but, um, you know, obviously inflow of cash into the economy always has benefit across, uh, all of our customer bases. Um, and you know, what, what we're watching for is, is, is it going to cause inflation or not? And if it does cause inflation, interest rates go up, we'll have some benefit, um, on all the cash that we hold. Uh, you know, that's not ours, but we're interest off of it. Um, where, you know, we continue to watch the regulation coming out of there. Um, and, uh, there's not any huge nuggets coming out yet for us.

Okay. Thank you, gentlemen. Our next question will come from Gary Prestapino with Barrington Research. Please go ahead.

Good morning, everyone. A couple of questions here. First of all, for Tom, the stock comp and the DNA numbers, are those pretty good numbers to carry through for the rest of the year here?

Yes. They're a better reflection. Obviously, that's a full year of the amortization associated with the output solutions acquisition. And we've been a full year now into the stock grant that we had in April 1st of last year. So it's a pretty good number to start with.

And then you also said that there will be modest growth in SG&A. year-over-year, right? Correct. Okay. So sequentially and year-over-year, we should be seeing growth in that other expense category.

Yes. I mean, you know, there's going to be a little bit of fluctuations. I mean, you know, there's a lot of moving parts within that, but generally I would say that there will be, you know, some somewhat modest growth in the SG&A. Okay.

Okay.

And then, Lewis, I know we talked about this, but I just want to make sure I'm clear on this. The decline in the gross margin, is that entirely attributable to output solutions? Because, you know, the ACH grew pretty dramatically, and that's your highest profitable business. So is that all due to output solutions?

It was primarily them. Output solutions can average 15%, and they had a great quarter. So they pulled it down a little bit, but also if you're comparing it to Q4 of 2020, the margins grew because the output solutions, because they had all these one-time jobs at the end of the year, which are higher margin jobs than they have on the reoccurring business. So yeah, it's primarily that. It's also the growth in card business that occurred in PayFact, so. Yeah, because you booked that on gross, right? Yeah. And then ACH business maintained its margins of 60% plus during the quarter. So we were really excited.

So when I look at the ACH business, you bucketed in e-dollar, e-check dollars processed, e-check transaction volumes, Where is the Voyager business in there? Is that in the dollars process?

So Voyager contributes in both buckets, transactions and dollars. Okay. And if you're looking at the transactions grew 37% quarter over quarter and revenue grew 38% quarter over quarter. So that's kind of the metric you use.

Okay. And then here's a question for Greg. Could you give us the number of ISVs you're working with and how that has changed sequentially and or year over year?

I can get that number before I don't have it in front of me as far as, you know, an updated number, but I'll certainly provide that to you.

Yeah, and the other thing is it would be really great to be able to have some kind of metric surrounding the merchants as well, if you feel that you can give that out publicly.

Okay. I'll discuss that internally and get back to you. All right.

So then lastly, as we go forward here, and, you know, your processing volumes are obviously up gigantically – You know, we should expect leverage flowing down through the bottom line here. No, we haven't. Okay. So we're still, the last time you gave some kind of adjusted EBITDA number, you said, you know, I believe you said at least a million. So you're still good there? Oh, yeah, definitely. Okay. All right. Thank you very much.

Thanks, Gary. Thanks, Gary. Our next question will come from Brian Kintzlinger with Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead.

Great, thanks. I want to follow up on that question. It's my only question. You've had very solid volume growth, very solid organic growth, but EBITDA has only increased $400,000 on $6 million more revenue year over year. So my only question, Louis, is the margins in payment processing are what they are for cards. It's been... So, you know, economies of scale are so important. And so we've seen rolling up volume in merchants through M&A is a common way these smaller players in the industry have built scale. So it's a relatively stable balance sheet. You now have modest profit. You've got a higher stock price. Is your appetite for acquisitions increasing, and should we expect to see you get more aggressive on this front? Thank you.

So we're not going to just acquire to acquire. We don't have this big roll-up strategy like some people do in the industry. But we are looking at strategic acquisitions where we can see synergies beyond just adding volume. We're going to board a lot of volume just from our internal sales efforts and from contracts that, quite frankly, we've already signed. So, yes, we're always looking at properties. We're in discussions at, you know, high levels. And, you know, but we're not just going to roll up to roll up.

Okay. Thank you.

Again, if you have a question, please press star within one. Our next question will come from John Hickman with Lattenberg. Please go ahead.

Hi. Congratulations, guys. This is a pretty impressive quarter. I'd like to go over a comment you made, Louis, about the current processing volumes for this year. You said that you'd done $1.7 billion as of the midpoint of Q2, and that's in comparison to $1.9 billion for all of Q1. Is that what you said?

Did I get that right? Yeah, absolutely. Actually, I said $1.4 billion as of yesterday. And it's 75% of the $1.9 billion. So, yeah, we're very well positioned for Q2 to be very nice gains over Q1, just like Q1 was huge gains over Q4. And, you know, Q2 is definitely exciting for us. We're already seeing it.

Okay. Okay, thanks for that. And then could you, I'm sorry, I was wondering if you could clarify for me the number of shares that are currently outstanding. I thought it was in the $25 million or 25 million share range.

That's correct. Are you looking at the earnings per share calculation?

Yeah, you used 19 or something.

Right. So that excludes all of the long-term grants. You know, we've granted those shares and, you know, they're not actually, you know, used in the earnings per share calculation.

Okay.

I'm sorry, what? would you like me to send you those, uh, shares that have been granted that are not, uh, outstanding at this point?

No, I think you did. I think I have that back in my, um, notes somewhere. Um, and then just one more question. Um, so as you, uh, on this, on the pay fact business, I'd just like to clarify one statement. So the, the 47% that you just stated, um, If you take all your ISV customers, you've penetrated 47% of their subscribers?

No. To clarify that, those that have boarded onto the platform, so that doesn't assume that that's 100% of an ISV subscriber base, but of those that have boarded or entered into the boarding platform, 47% are processing.

Oh, so some people have entered into the boarding process but never really completed the whole... That's correct.

They're not processing or they're in various stages to begin processing, but that does not reflect the entire subscriber base of that ISV.

Okay. Do you have any idea of what that number might be? Is it still like 10% or something? No.

I would be guessing. I'm making a note to get more metrics around that, but I would be guessing if I gave you an answer on this call.

But that's where the leverage is going to come from. Once you sign up an ISV, it doesn't really cost you anything to get their subscribers onboarded and processing, right?

No, there's There's a small incremental fee that we incur when we board a merchant, but the model itself is leveraged in the sense that the ISV is working with us to provide that merchant information to board onto our system. And you're still sharing revenues with the ISV, right?

Correct. Okay. Thank you. That's it for me. And congrats again.

Thanks, John. Thanks, John. Our next question is a follow-up from Gary Prestapino with Barrington Research. Please go ahead.

Yeah, this is for Greg. I don't know, again, if this is something you want to talk about, but of the credit card revenue, can you give us a percentage, a range or amount that is actually coming from PayFact versus the legacy business? And also I'd like to know is, I think you may have mentioned it, is the legacy business growing and, you know, the growth differentials between the payback and the legacy.

Sure. So the legacy portfolio grew 6% quarter over quarter, 21 versus 20. Okay. So it grew 6%, and payback in the first quarter represents just under 30% of our entire credit card revenue number. 30% revenue. And it was something much, much smaller last year, right, because it had just been introduced, right? It was around 20% of the number at that point. Okay. Great. That's very helpful. Thank you so much. Thanks.

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Thanks, everybody, for joining the call, and we look forward to talking to you next quarter. This concludes our call.

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