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spk02: Good afternoon and welcome to Da Vinci Partners' second quarter 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this call will be recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ana Castro, Investor Relations Manager. Please, go ahead, Ana.
spk03: Thank you and good afternoon, everyone. Joining today are Alessandro Orta, Chief Executive Officer, Bruno Zaremba, Private Equity Chairman and Head of Investor Relations, and Sérgio Passos, Chief Financial Officer. Earlier today, we issued a press release, slide presentation, and our financial statements for the quarter, which are available on our website at ir.vincipartners.com. I'd like to remind you that today's call may include far-looking statements, which are uncertain outside of the form's control and may differ from actual results materially. We do not undertake any duty to update these statements. For discussion of some of the risks that could affect results, please see the risk factor section of our 20F. We will also refer to certain non-GAAP measures and refine reconciliations in the release. Also note that nothing on this call constitutes an offer to sell or solicitation of an offer to purchase an interest in any Vinci Partners Fund. On results, Vinci generated fee-related earnings of R$ 61.9 million, or R$ 1.16 per share, and adjusted distributable earnings of R$ 58.4 million, or R$ 1.10 per share, for the second quarter of 2024. We declare a quarterly dividend of 17 cents on the dollar per common share payable on September 5th to shareholders of record as of August 21. With that, I'll turn the call over to Alessandro.
spk07: Thank you, Anna. Good afternoon. And thank you all for joining our call. We are very pleased to join in today as we announce results for the second quarter 2024. Let me start by saying that we posted once again a double-digit growth in fee-related earnings on a year-over-year basis. This quarter was even more significant, close to a 25% increase on a per share basis. This remarkable growth is largely attributed to our exceptional fundraising performance in private market strategies over the past quarters, which continues to deliver across several fronts. We accomplished these results despite the challenging environment for raising capital outside traditional fixed income investments in Brazil. Delving into our fundraising efforts, we are excited to share notable progress this quarter for our private markets products. Despite the global asset management industry facing significant challenges in raising capital for private equity, closed-end funds, we successfully secured nearly 500 million reais in new capital subscription for VCP4 from both local and international institutional investors. By the end of the second quarter, VCP4 has reached the same size as VCP3 in Brazilian reais, achieved during one of the most challenging fundraising conditions for the private equity asset class worldwide in the past decade. This significant milestone highlights Vinci's resilience in navigating through a tough market. We are extremely pleased with these results, which not only affirm the effectiveness of our proprietary distribution channels and the solid relationships we have cultivated with our LPs over the years, but also are a testimony of the solid performance from our private equity strategy since inception. We are very excited for the promising deployment opportunities that Fund 4 will enable us to pursue. Moreover, Fund 4 stands out as the largest vintage in the strategy in the terms of local commitments by a considerable margin. This highlights what we have been stating since our IPO. The Brazilian market remains highly under-penetrated for private markets investments with a gradual shift in mindset moving in our favor. We are seeing this trend unfold for several of our private markets asset classes and a backdrop of high interest rates, both locally and globally. As market conditions become more favorable, we anticipate this shift accelerating. Vinci is well positioned to capitalize on this transition toward alternative investments. The success of our recent capital raise for Fund 4 in private equity underscores our position as a leading force in Brazil's growing alternatives market. And, as was the case with VCP4, we will continue to work with our local investors to understand what their needs are and how to provide the best solution to address those needs. Moving on, I am pleased to announce a significant milestone for our private credit segment. In July, we secured our first commitment from an international institutional investor for this segment in the Vinci Credit Infra Fund. While this commitment will reflect in our AUM figures only in the third quarter, we wanted to share this exciting development with our shareholders now. While local investor interest in alternative products continue to grow, we are also advancing our international distribution efforts at a promising pace. When we began raising capital from international investors, our offshore distribution team was part of the private equity business and VCP was the only fund with international peace. Today, we have successfully attracted international investors to invest with us across private equity, real estate, infrastructure, public equities, and now private credit. Our ongoing investment in building a robust platform with strong enduring relationship is clearly paying off. And with Compass in our corner, the potential flow from Latin America capital providers will enhance our local strategies even further. Additionally, to further strengthen our private credit segment, we announced the closing of the acquisition of Mav Capital, adding approximately 550 million reais in assets under management with long-term lock-ups. MAV's expertise in the agribusiness sector will be instrumental in establishing a leading position in this area, which could have significant impact over the medium to long-term. The agribusiness sector in Brazil remains underserved by the investment industry despite its substantial contribution to the country's GDP, making it a promising opportunity for growth. Moving on to our recent announced transaction with Compass, we are targeting a closing date somewhere between late third quarter to early in the fourth quarter. The integration process is progressing smoothly. As we mentioned in our last earnings call, we engaged a global consulting firm to support us throughout this transition, and we are making excellent strides. At this time, the project has been concluded with 21 workstreams being simultaneously run across companies to assure a smooth day one and maximize the capturing of the synergies mapped during the project. This was a truly company-wide effort with the teams at both Vinci and Compass working in an integrated way ahead of the closing date to map and brainstorm potential synergy gains from the merger. Compass is having a very good year with assets under management reaching near 220 billion reais in the second quarter, an increase of almost 12 billion reais since the end of 2023, driven by strong fundraising across the APNS business. The IPNS strategy dedicated to liquid products has had a strong year so far into 2024, raising approximately R$6 billion, reflecting Compass' strong market position and continued flows into the segment. Additionally, the strategy within IPNS focused on alternatives has also seen good inflows with fundraising exceeding R$2.5 billion year-to-date. In the credit strategy vertical, Compass has experienced substantial traction with its Brazilian fund, attracting significant investor interest over the recent months. In addition, Vinci has also started to leverage Compass' strong distribution network in Latam, with roadshows already taking place with our private markets investment teams and their commercial teams. In addition, we will host events in Chile and Mexico during the third quarter to present all investment strategy currently available within the Vinci platform to potential Latin American clients. As mentioned, this pre-closing period has been very productive and we are not wasting time. We have been tackling low-hanging fruits aggressively and expect additional opportunities once this transaction closes. We are very excited about our prospects with the merger and we'll continue to work with Compass to leverage growth within both platforms across Latin America countries as we work on the integration in the next several months. To conclude my remarks, I'd like to take a moment to discuss the macroeconomic environment. Last week, the Fed hinted at the possibility of cutting interest rates in their September meeting. The Fed will start cutting rates at a moment where the economy is still positive. Growth for next year is expected to be 1.8% and unemployment is still at 4.2%, below the natural rate of unemployment of 4.6%. The American economy will likely slow down, but not necessarily recessionary levels. In Brazil, the interest rate curve is still currently pricing in potential rate hikes. However, with the Fed lowering rates, we might see a reduction or even delimitation of these anticipated hikes from Brazil's interest rate curve. This is an important subject to consider as the adjustment in expectations for Brazilian rates could help stabilize market performance, which would translate in a better environment for inflows in our liquids and REITs businesses. In closing, I would like to convey the following message. Vinci continues to deliver growth supported by its highly diversified platform and robust distribution capabilities. In the short to medium term, we expect to drive further growth through our private market strategies with multiple fundraising initiatives underway across the platform. Additionally, we anticipate gaining momentum in our liquids and IPNS segments as the global macroeconomic environment becomes more favorable over the coming quarters. We also remain very active on the M&A front, diligently looking into opportunities to enhance our product offerings in Brazil and now across Latin America. The Compass merger added another possible dimension to us, which is the inorganic expansion of our alternative asset management capabilities across the region. The team has a very clear view on where potential demand for investment solution is and which blank spaces we might fill on a regional basis through partnerships and acquisitions. With this regional effort, we aim to strengthen our position as the gateway to alternative assets in LATAM, to deliver greater value to our investors and shareholders, capitalizing on the evolving landscape to drive both local and regional expansion. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Bruno.
spk05: Thank you, Alessandro, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll start by covering our fundraising efforts in private markets. As anticipated by Alessandro, we had a stellar quarter fundraising for the fourth vintage in our private equity flagship strategy, VCP4.
spk06: Backed by both local and international institutional investors, we successfully raised nearly half a billion reais in commitments for Discipline 4 this quarter. Excluding co-investments, Discipline 4 has virtually matched the commitment capital of its predecessor funds. Moreover, we've seen substantial interest from local institutional investors for this vintage, with Fund 4 becoming the largest local fund we've raised for this strategy since inception. This aligns with our ongoing discussions about the need for Brazilian investors to diversify away from traditional fixed income investments and explore alternative products as they build their long-term allocations. To wrap up VCP, we are aiming for a final closing by the end of the year as we continue to work towards additional commitments primarily from international institutional investors. Additional commitments will continue to trigger retroactive fees from the start of the fund. This has been a significant contributor to management fees in the second quarter and could have a significant impact when we finalize the fundraising later in the year. Moving on to private credits, we have successfully secured commitments for the Vinci Credit Infra Fund, which has now exceeded R$1.5 billion in assets under management. The initial investments that established the fund came from local institutional investors, and we continue to see strong demands for this asset class from this client base. However, our fundraising efforts are now expanding across other distribution channels. In July, we achieved a significant milestone by securing our first capital subscription from an international institutional investor for Vinci Credit Infra. In addition to international investors, Vinci Credit Infra is also set to attract commitments from the allocators and distributors channel in the third quarter. In summary, we are witnessing robust demand for the fund across multiple distribution channels. We will continue our fundraising efforts for Vinci Credit Infra through the end of 2024 and into early 2025. Now, let's delve into our pipeline for the upcoming quarters in private markets. First, we have just launched the fourth vintage of our Opportunistic Capital Solutions strategy. We anticipate initial commitments throughout the third quarter, primarily from local high net worth investors and re-ups from previous vintages. SPS4 is also gaining significant traction with international investors, as we expect to secure notable commitments from international institutional investors by the end of the year. As highlighted in previous quarters, the earlier vintages have performed exceptionally well, and we expect this new vintage to be considerably larger than its predecessor, which raised 1 billion reais. It's important to note that the SPS team raised Fund 3 before joining Vinci, primarily leveraging local connections from senior partners. Now, with the full capabilities of our platform, we have access to broader pools of capital, which will expand the capital raising efforts for Fund 4. We will provide more details on the fund and its fundraising progress during our next earnings conference call. In infrastructure, we anticipate a final closing for VICC in the latter half of the year. The fund has already made investments in the first quarter and has a robust pipeline for the coming quarters. This initial pipeline has been signed at levels of returns that are above the target return of the fund, giving a very constructive investment environment. We expect interesting capital deployment opportunities to continue for VICC and to reach the fund's target commitments of R$2 billion. These are the key highlights for our short-term private markets fundraising efforts, but we also have a strong medium-term pipeline. This includes strategies such as VIR-5, the next vintage in our private equity impact and return strategy, and the FDL2, the second vintage for development and logistics strategy in real estate. In addition, we are working on a new residential development fund after strong success in our novel fund for the strategy in 2024. All these funds are expected to commence fundraising late in 2024 or early 2025. Besides these initiatives for closed-end funds, our REITs are fully allocated and ready to come back to market with new issuances as soon as market conditions improve. You should recall that last year we were able to raise more than R$1 billion in VISC-11, our shopping mall REIT, in a three-month span. This is a clear example of what we can accomplish with a more constructive environment. will keep investors informed about these and other medium-term initiatives we are working on. To close on private markets, I would like to reinforce the following. Since our IPO, we have actively expanded our private market strategies, both organically, with new vintages across various strategies, and inorganically, through acquisitions like SPS and MavCapital. This ongoing effort is resulting in a platform that comprises high-quality capital with long-term commitments. For example, in the first quarter following Vinci's listing, first quarter of 2021, 48% of Vinci's fee-related earnings came from private market strategies. In the most recent quarter, examining the fee-related earnings over the past last 12 months, nearly 70% were generated from private market strategies. The effort into developing and expanding our private market strategy has not only resulted in AOM expansion, but also significantly enhanced the quality of our revenues. Vinci now presents a much more stable, resilient, and diversified business model than was the case at our IPO. Turning to our IP&S and public equity segments, we continue to face a challenging environment for both areas. Both segments are particularly sensitive to higher nominal and real interest rates and recent market volatility in Brazil. Despite the challenges, public equities has remained remarkably resilient, with flows essentially neutral over recent quarters. This stability highlights our strong and enduring relationship with our institutional client base, which has proven to be very resilient. In addition, we are starting to see interest from institutional investors given the current level of attractiveness in local market valuations, which could lead to increase in our SMA business inequities. We are working with some existing and new relationships that might allow us to start seeing flows in the short term. In contrast, the IPNS segment continued to experience outflows in the second quarter, particularly from our pension strategies within our allocators and distributors channel. Multi-mercado funds, as these funds are structured, have witnessed massive redemptions in the market year-to-date, and despite being in the top quartile, our funds were dragged with this flow. In more recent weeks, we have seen moderation in these redemptions, which hopefully will lead to better overall trends in future quarters. On a more positive note, our private credit segment has seen promising results within the same allocators and distributors channel. Last year, we launched a dedicated patient plan strategy that is performing well in both fundraising and performance, raising roughly 400 million reais in the period and continue to show strong weekly fundraising. We continue to raise capital at Vinci with third-party distributors, though currently with a short-term focus on pension plans related to credit assets and avoiding riskier asset classes. The crediting flow in our platform mirrors what we're seeing in Compass as well, with very strong local fundraising performance on the fixed income sites. Encouragingly, Over the past two weeks, the combination of moderation of outflows in IPNS and the strong performance in credit has led to an improvement in flows within the allocators and distributors channel across the entire platform. This marks a notable recovery from May and June, which were the weakest months of the year. And with that, I'll turn it to Sergio to go through our results.
spk00: Thank you, Bruno. Now, let's start by covering management. and advisory fees. Fees-related revenues totaled R$126 million in the quarter, up 18% on an year-over-year basis. Focusing specifically on management fees, we saw an even more significant increase, with a remarkable 23% year-over-year growth, driven by robust fundraising across our private market products. This quarter also benefited from retroactive fees associated with the capital raise in VCB4, which included approximately two years' worth of fees. This resulted in additional R$14.9 million in the net revenue for the quarter. When excluding retroactive fees, management fees still show a positive trend, supported by new commitments in private markets. Looking ahead, we expect continued growth in revenues from this asset class, although liquid products and IPNS face ongoing challenges, as Bruno mentioned earlier. Please note that we will continue fundraising for VCP4 and VICC in infrastructure during the second half of the year. Both funds include retroactive fees clause So, new commitments will generate fees from the fund's inception, which could continue to positively impact our numbers in the later half of the year. Turning to advisory fees, we had another strong quarter. Year-to-date, we have accumulated nearly R$ 22 million in net revenues from advisory fees, highlighting the momentum in our corporate advisory segment. For the second half of the year, we already have over R$10 million in advisory fees from signed transactions that are pending closing. Additionally, we have a robust pipeline of opportunities to execute upon. We are confident in achieving our target of annual R$30 million in net advisory revenue, with potential for upside. Despite challenging market conditions and a muted IPO market, our corporate advisory business has delivered excellent results. We believe that as market conditions improve, we will be well positioned to make an even greater impact in this segment. Turning to FRE results, in the second quarter, FRE totaled 62 million reais, or 1 real and 16 cents per share, representing a 24% year-over-year increase on a per share basis. Looking at year-to-date figures, FRI reached R$116 million or R$2.17 per share, up 18% on a per share basis. FRI continues to grow, pushed by the strong fundraising for private market products. As I mentioned in the last quarter earnings call, when considering our short-term FIE, we expect an upward trajectory. This projection is supported by several factors, including new commitments in private markets, the impact of retroactive fees, and the robust pipeline for advisory service. Now, let's discuss expenses. Year to date, our margins have improved by 154 basis points compared to the same period last year, which aligns with our expectations from the previous earnings call. We do not anticipate significant changes in margins for 2024, but we are aiming for a modest expansion. Excluding the VRS strategy, where we made substantial investment over the past quarters, our FRE margin would have been 52%. For comparison purpose, our margin for the full year 2021, when there were no investment in VRS, was also 52%. Our core business continues to maintain healthy margins and show resilience despite the challenging conditions of the past two to three years. The success is a direct result of our focused efforts in private market fund raising and our diligent cost management. By practicing product cost control, we are positioning ourselves to accelerate the growth of FRE and DE when market conditions become more favorable. Before we proceed, I'd like to provide some clarity on the non-operation expense we incurred this quarter, totaling approximately 12 million reais these expense are exclusively related to our transactions with compass and mavic capital we prioritize transference and i want to assure our investors that there are no other items included in this line and the non-recurrence expects of this expense There will be more expense linked with the closing of the transaction with Compass and with other M&A projects. We are currently engaged if they go forward. Turning to PRE results, performance fee have remained relative modest due to the market volatility experienced in the first half of the year. This quarter, we recognized a partial realization of performance fees from FIB infratransmission. Since this performance was a red bucket on our balance sheet, its impact on PRE is neutral, but it positively affects distributable earnings. It's important to note that this recognized fees is seen from a cash distribution related to an asset sold in 2021. The fund still holds one remaining asset, which we expect to realize in the coming quarters, potentially leading to a higher level of performance fees. Before moving on to the next topic, I'd like to highlight the performance potential of our platform. we have approximately 16 billion reais in performance eligible assets under management across IPNS and public equities. When market conditions improve this could become a significant source of earnings. Second, Private market funds. Gross accrued performance fees exceed R$350 million in the second quarter. While liquid funds may impact earnings in the short to medium terms, the performance fees for private markets are expected to begin materializing only in 2026 as these funds mature. To wrap up, I would like to cover our distributable earnings. Adjusted distributed earnings totaled R$ 58 million in the second quarter of 2024, or R$ 1.10 per share, down 16% year-over-year on a per-share basis, due to a combination of two factors. First, the second quarter of 2023 saw unusually strong financial income, benefiting from a combination of higher liquid portfolio size, higher nominal interest rate, and an overall more favorable market environment. Second, this quarter we had an FX rate impact on Vinci's net debt position in US dollar, stemming from the operation with Ares. This had an impact of approximately 6.5 million reais or 12 reais cents per share on adjusted distributed earnings. it's important to note that while we experience a short-term negative impact from FX rate depreciation, VINC derives about 25% of its net revenue in US dollar. Therefore, the short-term effect on distributable earnings is expected to irreverse and positively impact our fee-related earnings in the coming quarters. In closing, I would like to once again reiterates the positive outlook for fee-related earnings over the next quarters and the great momentum that we encountered as a firm. We remain committed to generating shareholder value through both organic and inorganic paths. With that, I would like to close our remarks and open the call for questions. Once again, I would like to thank you for joining our call. Please, operator, you can proceed with the questions. Thank you.
spk02: We are now going to start the question and answer session for investors and analysts. If you wish to ask a question, please press the raise hand button. Wait while we poll for questions. Our first question comes from Ricardo Bushpiga with BTG. You can open your microphone.
spk04: Hi everyone and thank you for the opportunity of making questions. I have two here on my side. Can you please talk about what type of clients and geographies have you been focusing on your fundraising for private markets? And do you believe it will be more challenging to raise money now that you're moving to focus more international clients given the current market conditions? And also related to this topic, if you could remind us, out of the 15 billion reais target of fundraising from 2022 to 2024, how much have you raised so far? Thank you.
spk08: Ricardo, thank you very much for the question. That's Alessandro speaking here. Just to your first point regarding the type and geographies of clients of private markets, that of course depends a bit of each of the private market asset classes. Talking about private equity, the last quarter, as we mentioned, the 550 million reais of fundraising, they came both from local and international investors. The international investors came more from Europe this quarter, and locally they were coming more from institutional local investors. I would say more around half-half of both sources in terms of private markets. Talk a little bit more about... infrastructure so we are talking about the ICC recently you have been a very important push in Asia where do we expect some few commitments coming for the next few quarters and we had a very strong success as we mentioned in previous calls in Europe now we have a more like soft circled and expected pipeline of fundraising more in Asia going forward. And in SPS, as Bruno mentioned, I think, we are expecting the first flows to come more from local investors, especially high net worth, single family office, multi-family office, and some allocators and distributors. And then moving forward, from international investors. That will come, we expect, more from the North American market and also from Asia. And I'll leave the second part of your question to Bruno to complement on that.
spk06: Yeah, Ricardo, good talking to you tonight. We are currently at about 10 billion of the 15 billion targets. We have, as you know, the next six months, we have commitments coming from all of the funds that we have that are still open. Our expectation is that the contribution until the end of the year will be likely stronger from SPS on a relative basis now that the other funds are tapering off a little bit. So we expect some commitments still from VCP, VICC, and... credit info, but our biggest check will likely come from SPS until the end of the year that we have an unexpected big first close to happen now in the third and fourth quarters. But we are today at close to about 10 billion.
spk04: Thank you very much, guys.
spk02: Our next question comes from Beatriz Abril with Goldman Sachs. You can open your microphone.
spk01: Hi, everyone. Good evening, and thanks for taking my question. I have two questions on my side. The first one is on the positive management fees, right, due to the catch-up fees mostly from VCP4, and I see that you have a good pipeline for fundraising expected for the second half of the year. I guess my question is related to next year since, you know, the $15 billion highest fundraising target is until the end of this year. What are you expecting the increase in fundraising to come from mostly for next year? And the second question is related to the strong appreciation of accrued performance fees this quarter. If you can comment a little bit more about what drove that, maybe you could give some color on the investments. And what are your expectations for timing of performance fees, distributions, or any of the funds close to their hurdle rate? If you could talk a little bit more about that, it would be great. Thank you.
spk08: Hi, Beatriz. How are you? That's Alessandro. Nice to have you today with us. Starting with the first part of the question regarding management fees, accrued retroactive fees, sorry, regarding, especially as you said, regarding VCB4. And that's a very good question. We expect good part of VCP4 to be concluded this year, and also the ICC, but we still expect from both some final fundraising to the beginning of next year. Next year, we expect the international portion of SPS4, so that will be something that will be tapping probably in the end of this year to the beginning of the next year, maybe first and second quarter, maybe. And also, we'll have a few products, especially VIR 5, that we postpone at the beginning of the fundraising that will be more important next year. And also, VFDL2, that's our logistics private equity type real estate fund that again will be to next year. Beside of that, also we expect the opportunistic residential real estate fund also to be relevant next year. So we'll be having less of the funds that we already reaching the targets like VCP4 and VICC, but we'll still have important contribution that we expect coming from SPS4 in terms of fundraising, VRR5, VFDL2 and the opportunistic real estate fund second vintage next year. And I'll leave Bruno to talk a little bit about the appreciation of expected performance fee.
spk06: Yeah, I think the performance fee is something that we have discussed also in the past. We're seeing other families of products starting to contribute, right, to the future performance fees. In the case of this quarter, we saw mainly SPS coming into the MAF. So just as an information, the first SPS fund is already paying performance fees. They are not impacting our numbers because in the transaction, we negotiated that the first couple of funds, the performance would be retained by the management teams. But the third fund, is also above the preferred return rate and started to accrue towards the future performance fees as well. SPS has a profile of a quicker turnaround in terms of the performance. So if you think about the fact that they're paying already performance from funds one and probably fund two very quickly, those funds are around five years old. So thinking about fund three, We would expect that Fund 3 to start paying performances probably into late 2025, early 2026. So, of that accrued performance, I think probably SPS will likely be the first one to start transitioning to Realized GP results. And then after that, we're likely going to see VCP3. uh as the one that is going to start contributing but vcp3 probably a little bit later in terms of in terms of dates but i would expect that diversification of the performance fees on the accrued part to continue so we will likely see other families of funds starting to to have a piece of that pie going forward so we have the infra funds as well should at some point they should start other infra funds to start contributing there. Obviously, the contribution from SPS is likely going to grow in size over time. So the tendency is that for the next few years, you're going to see that pie diversify and increase in size. And then likely by the end of 25, early 26, we're going to start seeing the beginning of that performance start to transition as realized. Just to complement, finally, to complement Alessandro, I think one Family of products that the contribution so far in 24 was very limited was the REITs, right? So we had the contribution late 23 from fundraising the ZISC in the late third quarter and fourth quarter of last year. This is a group of products that we believe in a more benign environment. We can raise multiple billion reais per year. Unfortunately, so far this year has been more muted, given the volatility that we saw in the market, it has been more difficult to raise money for this type of product. But it's a product that we expect to contribute over time. So despite the fact that perhaps some of our closed-end drawdown funds are wrapping up, VCP, VICC are going to wrap up by early 2025, we should have other private market funds such as the REITs and the new products that Alessandro mentioned, And on top of those potentially new credit products as well, which we are developing at this point, we're seeing more traction in credit. Our pension plan style credit fund is doing very well. It's raising multiple billion reais per day and several billion per, sorry, million per day and several million per week. It's already up to half a billion reais and continues to raise money. So we are seeing opportunities to develop new credit products similar to the ones that we're seeing abroad, more semi-liquid type style products. So that will likely be something that we expect to contribute also in 2025 and going forward.
spk08: Just to complement that, Beatriz, to that point of Bruno, We are studying a lot new products on the credit spectrum, and even using the best practices and exchanging, I'd say, ideas with ARIS. And we believe that this type of semi-liquid type of funds will be something that probably will be very relevant moving forward, and especially next year as we identify the demand for this type of products. and they match very well with the asset liability management of some of our clients.
spk01: Perfect. That's very clear. Thank you, Alessandro and Bruno.
spk02: Our next question comes from Tommy Andrade with Quipus Capital. You can open your microphone.
spk09: Hello. Thank you for taking my question. I wanted to ask about the operating profit on the financial statements versus the operating profit that shows up in the presentation in page 36. They are different and wanted to have your help for reaching it. It's 48 million reais in the financial statements and 65 million in the presentation. So I wanted to know the difference.
spk06: Okay, Tommy, thanks for the question. So the difference is basically some non-cash impacts that we have that we segregate from the distributable earnings number. So the two main components there are the unrealized mark-to-market effects on our GP commitments. So, this quarter we had a negative impact from the mark-to-market coming mainly from the REIT performance during the quarter. So, the REITs that we have in our GP commitment, they depreciated in value this quarter. So, that... was more than the positive impact that we had from vcp4 markup so that was part of the of the unrealized uh and that impacts operating uh profit and the other impact is the stock option uh impact that we have the stock option program which we usually have an impact over now around five million per quarter more or less uh which also is a non-cash impact and that impacts the accounting operating profit but not the not the distributable earnings operating profit that we show on the on the cash let's say cash distributable earnings number so those are the two main those could variate I mean the obviously the unrealized portion could variate up and down so we have headquarters in the past where that number was very much really up we have headquarters in the past that it was a little bit down. Over time, we expect it to be up. The SOP is obviously always a negative impact, which today is running at around $5 million. And the final impact is the non-recurring M&A expense that Sasho mentioned in his remarks. This quarter was about $12 million. and it is related to lawyer and the due diligence fees that we have expanded both in the MAVI transaction, which has already closed, and in the COMPAS transaction that we expect to close, as we said, between the end of third quarter and beginning of the fourth. So those were the expenses or the impact this quarter. This quarter was a little bit heavier than normal because we had the negative unrealized and we had the a bigger expense on the M&A side, but those are typically the differences between the distributable earnings and the net earnings from an accounting standpoint.
spk09: Thank you. And can I ask another one?
spk06: Yeah, of course, go ahead.
spk09: Thank you. In the cash flow, statement there's a line for a contribution for retirement plan plans for 140 million is that contributions to the retirement services segment or yeah what is the original line so when we launched VRS regulatory in Brazil you need to have an insurance company
spk06: So part of the launch of VRS had to do with us creating an insurance company. And in Brazilian accounting, the assets of the insurance company are reserves. And that is what you see in the income statement, so on the cash flow statement. The reserves that are being constituted for the liabilities that we have against the pension plans that we carry in our own insurance company.
spk05: Thank you.
spk02: The question and answer session is over. I would like to turn the floor back to Mr. Alessandro Horta for the closing remarks. Please, Mr. Horta, you may proceed.
spk08: I'd like to thank you once again for your support and interest in our company. As we said during the call, we are very, very positive with the year so far. Even though the macroeconomic environment has not been favorable and the fundraising environment has been very challenging, we have been able to really hit a very, very decent a path in growth, and we expect once we have a better macroeconomic environment moving forward, being the reduction of interest rates outside Brazil and also a better environment locally, that we can speed up the fundraising, the realization of performance. So we are quite waiting for this moment and optimistic that we will be very resilient in a very difficult scenario and we can grow in a very important way when we see a more benign scenario. So thank you very much and good night for you all.
spk02: This concludes today's presentation. We thank you all for participating and wish you a very good evening.
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