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spk01: And welcome to the earnings conference call for the fiscal year of 2021. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Howard Goldman, Director of Investor Relations.
spk07: Good afternoon and welcome to Verix Imaging Corporation's earnings conference call for the first quarter of fiscal year 2021. With me today are Sunny Sanyal, our president and CEO, and Sam Mahashwari, our CFO. Please note that live webcast of this conference call includes a supplemental slide presentation that can be accessed at Verix's website at investors.veriximaging.com. The webcast and supplemental slide presentation will be archived on VERX's website. To simplify our discussion, unless otherwise stated, all references to the quarter are for the first quarter of fiscal year 2021. In addition, unless otherwise stated, quarterly comparisons are made sequentially from the first quarter of fiscal year 2021 to the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2020, rather than to the same quarter of the prior year. Please be advised that during this call, we will be making forward-looking statements, which are predictions or projections about future events. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. Risks relating to our business are described in our quarterly earnings release and our filings with the SEC. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to materially differ from those anticipated is contained in our SEC filings, including item 1A, risk factors of our quarterly reports on Form 10-Q and our annual report on Form 10-K. The information in this discussion speaks as of today's date, and we assume no obligation to update or revise the forward-looking statements in this discussion. On today's call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. These non-GAAP measures are not presented in accordance with nor are they a substitute for GAAP financial measures. We provided a reconciliation of each non-GAAP financial measure to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure in our earnings press release, which is posted on our website. And now I'll turn the call over to Sonny.
spk08: Thank you, Howard. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome. I'm very excited to say that last week was our fourth anniversary as an independent public company. We continue to remain focused on our mission to help improve and save lives throughout the world by making the invisible visible. We are a world leader in X-ray imaging products for our medical and industrial applications. And with the help of our 2000 colleagues, as well as our customers and suppliers, over the last 70 years, we have continued to bring innovative and breakthrough technologies to market. Global OEMs incorporate our mission critical components into their X-ray imaging systems, and we have continued to strengthen our relationships with them, many of which span more than four decades. Our first quarter results came in towards the higher end of our guidance range. Revenues increased sequentially by 4%, indicating the start of recovery in our business. Global demand for our CT tubes has stayed strong during the last few quarters, and Q1 followed the same trend. Our non-GAAP gross margin increased to 34%. The improvement was due to realization of benefits from previously disclosed cost reductions, as well as a favorable shift in product mix within our medical segment. Non-GAAP operating expenses were down approximately $3 million, reflecting our continued focus on profitability. As a result, our non-GAAP operating margin improved to 8% of revenues. Non-GAAP EPS also came in towards the higher end of our guidance at $0.08 per diluted share. Cash improved to $106 million, driven by positive cash flow from operations. Let me give you some high-level insight into how our different modalities performed during the quarter. We previously indicated that our business had stabilized, This quarter, we began to see a recovery. CT has continued to remain strong for a number of quarters, including Q1. Much of our CT business is coming from new system installations, which bodes well for our replacement business in the future. In fluoroscopy and oncology, we saw some improvement, primarily driven by an increase in patient visits for elective procedures. Our other medical modalities remained sequentially flat for the quarter. Industrial is also beginning to see consistent sequential recovery. Cargo and port security, as well as baggage screening business, remain low, but other non-destructive testing and inspection verticals showed improvement. Let me now give you an update on our progress in China, where we are seeing continued momentum. As a reminder, we estimated that approximately 25,000 new CT systems will be needed in China over a 10-year period. Partially in response to COVID, we believe the Chinese government intends to accelerate the installation of about 10,000 CT systems over the next few years. These systems will be placed in so-called fever clinics and emergency departments at local hospitals in order to provide dedicated CT scanner rooms for patients with infectious conditions. As a result, we're seeing a significant increase in demand for our tubes for new CT systems in China. For the past few years, we've been working with eight Chinese OEMs and have active pricing agreements with them to incorporate our CT tubes and other components into their new CT systems. On the left panel of this slide, you can see the current planned introduction and rollout of different CT scanner models by various OEMs. As we have said before, these OEMs are making steady progress with their product development, and we are confident that several new CT models utilizing our components will hit the market over the next couple of years. Now let me give you some perspectives on how Verix is positioned for growth. Our business has started to exhibit sequential growth that should lead us back to pre-COVID revenue levels of about $200 million per quarter. The pace of recovery will initially be driven by increasing demand for service replacement products as surgeries and elective procedure volumes increase. Service replacements are typically funded by hospital operating budgets, whereas the purchase of new imaging systems require capital expenditure budgets. Beyond the initial recovery, we expect that hospitals and medical facilities will begin to commit capital for new imaging systems once utilization levels reach certain thresholds. We also expect that COVID vaccines will play a key role in increasing utilization levels. In our industrial segment, we expect to see continued gradual improvement as the broader economy recovers. The pandemic has revealed substantial vulnerabilities in the preparedness of healthcare systems and associated infrastructure globally. In response, in the mid-term, just like we're seeing in China, other governments and medical facilities around the world are likely to increase spending on healthcare. Such spending is likely to occur over many years in numerous areas of healthcare, including modernizing and expanding X-ray imaging capabilities. Over the long term, we expect our new technologies and innovative products to drive growth. These include our photon counting digital detectors and our nanotube technology, which I will discuss in a moment. Let me give you a summary of what we have achieved as a company since the spinoff from Varian and where we are headed. During our first three years, we focused on standing up a new public company, completing the integration and consolidation of a major acquisition, and expanding our global footprint. We consider Verix 1.0 to be a success. Beginning last year, we entered the second phase, which we call Verix 2.0, and are in the early stages of this transformation. Here, we remain focused on three major areas. First, strengthening our balance sheet Second, improving our operating margins. And third, accelerating our growth through innovation. We have already completed the first element of our transformation with the new capital structure that provides increased flexibility with limited financial covenants. Second, we're working to improve the operating structure of the company. Our objective is to improve profitability by expanding our gross margin and reducing our operating expenses. We expect the significant cost reductions that we recently made to largely remain in place even as business recovers. And third, we're focused on releasing new products based on game-changing technologies. We expect that our investments in new and innovative platforms will enable us to release a number of new products over the coming years. While adoption of new technologies can take several years, upside is a long multi-year tail of recurring revenues from products that have been engineered into our customers' X-ray imaging systems. Our new products include the Z-Platform family of dynamic digital detectors. These detectors are designed to produce high-quality images at lower doses compared to equivalent amorphous silicon detectors. Since the acquisition of direct conversion, we have continued to invest in our photon counting technology. Detectors using photon counting produce high contrast images at low doses and enable very good soft tissue resolution due to their ability to do precise energy discrimination. An exciting application for photon counting technology is CT detectors. We plan to leverage our technology to enter the CT detector market, which is complementary to our CT tube business. At RSNA last year, we introduced our new photon counting CT detector modules. These modules should soon be available for customer evaluation. We believe our entry into the CT detector market has the potential to expand our addressable market by half a billion dollars. While the adoption of this technology may take a few years, we are excited about the opportunity. We continue to work on nanotube technology with our joint venture, BEC Imaging. We are developing a multi-beam cold cathode x-ray nanotube. We are pleased with the progress we have made so far and look forward to providing updates on future developments. In our industrial segment, we intend to grow by extending our technology into select verticals. We have been focused on our components and subsystems, and going forward, in certain verticals, we may develop full imaging systems. We're excited about industrial products we're developing. With that, let me hand over the call to Sam to talk about our financial performance in greater detail.
spk05: Thanks, Sunny, and hello, everyone. I wish you all a very happy new year and hope you and your families are keeping safe and healthy. As a reminder, unless otherwise indicated, I will provide sequential comparisons of our results for the first quarter of fiscal year 2021 with those of our fourth quarter of fiscal 2020. As Sunny mentioned, we have begun to see recovery in our business. First quarter revenues were $177 million, an increase of 4% from the fourth quarter of fiscal 2020. Medical segment revenues were $139 million, or 79% of total revenues. Industrial segment revenues were $38 million, or 21% of total revenues. Sequentially, medical sales grew 2%, while industrial sales saw a robust 11% growth. On a regional basis, first quarter revenues were $62 million in America, $58 million in India, and $57 million in the APAC region. We saw strong growth in China. Let me now cover our results on a GAAP basis. First quarter GAAP gross margin was 32%, a sequential improvement of 570 basis points from the previous quarter. GAAP operating expenses were lower by $7 million compared to the fourth quarter, and loss per share was $0.16 on a fully diluted basis. Let me now cover our results on a non-GAAP basis. Comparable gap measures have been included in our earnings release posted on our website. Gross margin was 33.6%, a sequential improvement of 580 basis points from the fourth quarter and significantly ahead of the midpoint of our previously communicated expectations. Please note that we completed the exit from Santa Clara manufacturing operations in Q1 itself, ahead of the previously stated schedule. As a result, the Santa Clara closure-related savings were fully reflected in our Q1 non-GAAP results. Just as a reminder, we had previously communicated that we expected to fully realize these savings from the second quarter onwards. Overall, Q1 gross margin when compared to Q4 benefited from progress on our cost reduction efforts, favorable product mix, and to a smaller extent, by higher sales volumes. In general, I want to remind you that our gross margin can fluctuate from quarter to quarter due to segment mix between medical and industrial, product mix within each segment, customer concentration, cost performance, and factory utilization levels. One of our fiscal 2021 initiatives is to improve efficiencies in our manufacturing and servicing efforts, where we are targeting a gross margin improvement of 100 basis points by the end of this fiscal year. When revenue volume returns to pre-COVID levels and we complete our efficiency initiatives, we expect non-GAAP gross margin in the mid-13th level. R&D spending in the first quarter was 9% of revenue as compared to 10% in the prior quarter due to lower spending in R&D materials. Non-GAAP operating expenses were $46 million and down from $48 million in the previous quarter. This $2 million sequential decrease was due to lower R&D expenses as well as fully realizing the benefit from reduction in force that occurred in the previous quarter. Non-GAAP operating earnings were $14 million as compared to a non-GAAP operating loss of $1 million in the previous quarter. As we outlined in our prior earnings call, our annual cash interest expense is approximately $32 million, or about $8 million per quarter, although the amount actually paid in a quarter can vary. Non-GAAP tax expense in the first quarter was $2 million. The tax rate in Q1 was unusually high at 34% due to Q1 being the transition quarter where we started generating profit from operations as opposed to incurring losses in the prior few quarters. Non-GAAP net earnings were $3 million or $0.08 per diluted share. This compares to a non-GAAP net loss in the fourth quarter of $2 million or $0.04 per diluted share. Now turning to the balance sheet. Accounts receivables decreased by $3 million, inventory decreased by $2 million, and accounts payables also decreased by $5 million during the quarter. Inventory reduction is a priority for us. We have started to make early progress on this initiative and continue to target a $25 to $30 million inventory reduction by the end of this fiscal year. We plan to achieve this through a combination of completing facility consolidation, implementing lean programs, further streamlining our supply chain, and discontinuing low velocity products. However, our reduction efforts have been partially offset by the need to bring in higher levels of raw material to support growth and fail. As a result, in the first quarter, inventory declined by only $2 million from the prior quarter. Now moving to debt and cash flow information. Cash flow from operations was $7 million. We ended the quarter with cash of $106 million on the balance sheet, an increase of about $5 million. Growth debt was $514 million and debt net of cash was $408 million. Adjusted EBITDA was $22 million in the first quarter, a significant improvement from $4 million in the prior quarter. Now moving to our business outlook for Q2. We expect revenues between $180 to $200 million driven by continued recovery in our business and non-GAAP earnings for diluted share between $0.05 and $0.25. These expectations are based on non-GAAP gross margin between 33% and 35% and non-GAAP operating expenses in a range of $44 to $45 million. And with that, we will now open up the call for your questions.
spk01: At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Our first question is from Anthony Patron with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.
spk03: Thanks, Sonny and Sam, and congrats on a good quarter and start to the year. Maybe a couple for Sonny and then I'll follow up with a few for Sam. Sonny, maybe just starting with medical, can you give us a sense maybe by indication where you're seeing strength? I think last quarter mammography was a driver factor. and was offset maybe perhaps a little bit by dental. Maybe just an update on end indications in medical where you're seeing strength. And then pivoting to China, the rebound there, can you give us a sense of how much of that is driven by CT tubes versus other components? And in particular, are you seeing any recapture on the flat panel detector side?
spk08: Hey, Anthony. So one thing that's been consistent for the last several quarters has been we've seen strength in CT. So on the medical side, we've continued to see strength in CT, and we've now seen some uptick in a couple of other areas like fluoroscopy, oncology, and these are driven by, you know, ongoing increase in patient visits and procedure volumes. For the quarter particularly, dental was down last quarter. Dental also continued to be slow and soft this quarter, and mammography was soft as well. So the strength this quarter primarily came from recovery and oncology, fluoroscopy, and CT. And your question about China. China, for us, is a very strong CT market. So that means CT tubes and other components that go with that. As you know, we sell some assemblies in China related to CT. We sell high-voltage connectors. And there is a general pull-through of components that are tied to CTs. Your question about detectors, we talked about our detector production in Wuxi is up and running. We have begun producing dental detectors and we have seen an uptick from customers in that area, but there's no particular details that I can give at this time about recovery in detectors in China. But in general, the market has been strong on CT And we are continuing to, you know, our strength in our position with our customers and market leadership is helping us there.
spk03: And the follow-up one would be on industrial and then one for Sam on gross margin. On industrial, I think you referenced non-destructive testing doing well here. You know, when do you envision you'll see a rebound in airport security and cargo screenings? And when do you think those two businesses can get back to pre-COVID levels? And then for Sam, on gross margin, how much of the sequential uptick was specific to Santa Clara savings relative to MIPS? Thanks.
spk08: Okay. So on the industrial side, in the non – let me start with the non-security-related vertical. So that is – all of the other NDT non-destructive testing and inspection. There, the recovery was fairly broad-based, with the exception of aerospace. You know, aerospace is still down, but we've seen beginnings of recovery in most other verticals, in electronics inspection, battery inspection, automotive, food inspection, and so that's been very encouraging. Security and particularly cargo and security inspection, what we expect to start seeing some amount of recovery in the second half of the year. As you might have noticed, and we've noted that there were some major tender winds by our customers, those tender winds have not translated to specific orders for us because the delivery side has been slow and our customers have been challenged due to COVID in getting their installations scheduled. We're very happy to see that there has been orders activity and sooner or later those will translate into actual shipments for us. We expect that to be in the second half of the year. Airports, different story. We have seen some modest uptick in passenger travel-related activity at airports, and that has translated to a little bit of increased business at airports, tied mostly to our tubes that go into the baggage screening equipment, but nothing yet that I can call as a strong trend or a major contributor.
spk05: Sure. And Anthony, this is Sam here. I'll try to address your question on gross margin. So sequentially from Q4 to Q1, we saw about 6% improvements. 4% of that is related to what we call the cost bucket. 1% improvement is due to product mix. And say about slightly less than 1% is related to uptick in volume here. So within the cost bucket, the 4%. About 3% of that is from our cost reduction efforts. And so 2% is Santa Clara migration. 1% is a number of positions that we eliminated in Q4, which is now fully flowing through Q1 results. So again, 2% Santa Clara, 1% cost reduction. outside of Santa Clara. And then another 1% is driven by productivity improvements, improving yields and stuff like that. So that's overall 4% improvement in cost and 1% in mix and slightly less than one in the volume area.
spk03: That's great. Thank you. I'll get back to you.
spk05: Thank you, Anthony.
spk01: Our next question is with Larry Solo with CGS Securities. Please proceed with your question.
spk06: Good morning. Excuse me. Good afternoon, guys, and thanks for taking my questions. The first question is kind of a high-level question. Stanley, maybe for you, maybe you can take a shot. So I know you sort of target getting back to some pre-COVID levels, which 800 million plus or minus. And it does sound like, you know, if we take the high end of your guidance and maybe that's a little bit of your aggressive position, whereas the low end is sort of a sequential, not flat number. But just trying to decipher, do you, you know, between the low end and the high end, is there, do you see that as being the difference between a lot of your markets actually coming back and your mix significantly improving in some of the areas and medical that it's lagged or there's sort of other variables there.
spk08: Look, I'll ask Sam to provide some additional color. Let me just tee up some maybe the latter part of your question to answer that. When we talk about, when we say recovering to 2019 levels, that basically means to get them back to the 195 to 200 type of quarterly run rate. To get there, we'll need to see, well, To get there, two things would have to happen, ongoing strength in medical and recovery in medical. Fortunately for us, the CT side of our medical business is doing well, and we expect to continue to see strength there, so that will pull the medical wagon harder than it has previously on a year-over-year basis. So I think the medical side, we expect to continue to do well through CT. But to get to the $200 million level, we'll have to see some recovery on the industrial side that is more broad-based. I'm happy with the recovery that we're seeing in NDT, but we'll need to see some recovery in cargo, and that's likely to happen towards the second half of the year. So I can't give you a timing, but we'll have to see broad-based recovery to get to that 2019 levels. But all the trends are encouraging.
spk06: But to put it another way, it sounds like almost, you know, qualitatively, you know, not all your markets have fully recovered. And I wouldn't expect them to fully recover in two quarters. And, you know, so to me, it almost seems like that 200 number, when we get back to full recovery, especially with China now, I assume at a higher level than we were a year ago and growing, that, you know, full recovery, maybe we could be at, not putting a number on it, but above 800 at some point, right? Because it does sound like qualitatively you're not there yet, maybe a couple of quarters, maybe as we look out even to 22 just on a macro level. So to me, the 780 to 800 is an encouraging number. That's sort of how I look at it. I was just trying to figure out, Gabe, what's in that number and what could surprise even to the upside as we look out.
spk08: Yeah, so again, what's going well for us is CT. So if CT continues to go well, and if every other area also recovers, then the scenario you're talking about is possible. At this time, dental is still down. It hasn't recovered, and it's slow. It'll get there. We're confident it'll get there because People do need to go to the dentist's office and they need implants and all that will come back. We need to see recovery dental. We need to see recovery in mammography. And if, let's say, all the medical modalities are firing on all cylinders and we're getting the uplift from CT, then it should be a good situation for us.
spk05: I'll also add that industrial is still below its historical level. So industrial also comes back. So that can also add to our growth here going forward.
spk06: Right. And you guys sort of said as you get back into pre-COVID levels, growth margins should settle in in the mid-30s. Could we – is that sort of – can we ever get back – what sort of – is there a fundamental obstacle to ever get back sort of to that targeted 38 to 40 percent that you – had targeted for, you know, several couple of years, even post then? Or is that maybe even just a 38, maybe the low end of that range? Is that something that would inevitably attainable, not without putting a timeline on it?
spk05: Yeah, so let me try to address that question, Larry. So look, right now we have some initiatives going on in manufacturing and servicing area. And compared to what we just reported, there's also upside to volume here. So as these initiatives get completed and the volume comes back, i think i'm looking at mid 30s type of a gross margin call it mid 30s plus minus one you know something like that right and then beyond that beyond that range and once these initiatives are completed and once the volume is back i think we still target the higher 30s and uh you know 30s you said 37 38 percent type of a gross margin that is our goal But for that goal, we would need these new technologies and new products to be released to provide us that boost. Of course, volume-driven boost will help us. as we cross, say, the $200 million per quarter type of a level. But we do need these new products also to give us that extra boost to get to 37%, 38%, 39% type of a gross margin. And that is definitely our goal and a target. So that's how I see us getting there in terms of gross margin.
spk06: Okay, great. And then just back on this one last question, just on the China opportunity. And Sunny, you mentioned China. I know there's like this initiative, 25,000 CT machines over I think it was a 10-year period. And you spoke of sort of expedited or taking a slice of that and, you know, the 40,000 machines or 4,000 machines. And that sounds like, you know, if you do the math on that number, I mean, on that 10,000 machines could be, you know, I recall, I think these tubes are like $40,000. Is that still sort of the average price of the tube? And is it still sort of you and Philips who are the only primary suppliers into China today?
spk08: Yeah, so let me start with the last part. Yes, so from an OEM sales to OEMs, we're a market leader and it's us and largely Philips in terms of the global suppliers. In terms of the average price, It depends on the mix. So it's not as high as $40,000 because it's a mix of a variety of different, from high-end CTs to the 16-slice CTs. So it's in a different, I'd say, bracket, so to say. And I won't call out the average prices. But the good news there is what you were referring to, which is the acceleration of the CT purchases the number 10,000 has been thrown around by our customers as they are trying their plans, as they're planning for what capacity expansion they need to put in place. And by the same token, they're asking us to be thinking about our capacity as well to be able to deliver. So they're expecting in the range of about 10,000 CTs over the next few years, which would clearly be an acceleration. And by the way, the reason China is doing this is also... the thought process here that I mentioned there in the prepared remarks that we expect other governments would do something similar, which is the pandemic has shown where the chinks are in their armor, and the weaknesses in their healthcare delivery systems have been exposed through this pandemic. And for the Chinese government, particularly, they have expressed that they want to separate the main inpatient facilities from, or I'm sorry, they want to make sure that the patients are diverted to alternate facilities, particularly for infectious diseases. So that's this notion of setting up, I think they're calling it fever clinics. The fever clinics basically are facilities that are adjunct to the hospitals, part of the same campus or part of the same facility, but it's a separate location. And so they want to equip it. They've realized that if they bring in COVID patients into the middle of their hospital, they're endangering the broader hospital population and they're consuming the capacity of the broader hospital and hurting their ability to deliver healthcare to others, which results in all kinds of downstream mess and capacity issues and then ability to manage the pandemic. So this is actually a very progressive thinking here by them to set up these fever clinics. And so they've also said that they would equip their emergency rooms with CT scanners so that for fast triaging. Now, play that forward. There are many countries that are in this situation, and the political elected officials in many countries are looking at this as a career-breaking situation, and no one wants this to happen on their watch again. So we believe that there will be a general push towards closing these gaps. And so this is going to be an ongoing thing, and it's a good thing for us, where we will see continued investments in healthcare delivery, care delivery, And once you do that, the first thing you need is medical equipment, particularly imaging. So we expect this to be a favorable trend for us.
spk06: Okay, great. I appreciate that, Paul. Thanks a lot.
spk01: Our next question is with Siraj Khalieh with Oppenheimer & Company.
spk04: Please proceed with your question. Hello, Siraj. Sure. Good afternoon, Sunny, Sam. Congrats on the quarter. Hello? Thank you. Sonny, can you hear me all right? Yes, we can hear you. Okay, perfect. So, Sonny, let me start out with a very high-level question, and then I'll drill down into two specific and rather technical questions. Listening to your commentary, Sonny, you sound very confident about the outlook. I understand the initiatives that you and Sam are putting in place to drive Verix 2.0. And I think so the numbers are starting to show the results. Your comments about the end markets, they were somewhat mixed. Maybe I can phrase the question differently. What are your end customers seeing in terms of speeding up of the average sales cycle? Just trying to see if we can get some leading indicators from you guys in terms of what's happening at the end markets and trying to plan out from that scenario.
spk08: So, Suraj, first, confidence and outlook. A lot of actions that we took last quarter and the quarter before that are helping improve our financial performance, which is a lot of the cost reduction actions that we took, the factory initiatives that we put in place to improve productivity efficiency. So part of my confidence in our financial performance and my optimism or optimism comes from the fact that those actions have been completed. And many of the actions are already completed and, you know, both related to Santa Clara and non-Santa Clara. So as we look for line of sight to the benefits from those, we have clear visibility. So that's one benefit. confidence factor. So second, in terms of end markets, I would frame it as optimism more so than super confidence. So when I see recovery in our volumes in oncology, when I see recovery in volumes in broad-based modalities like fluoroscopy, that means people are going back. The hospitals are performing the general elective procedures and general surgeries which had really come to a grinding halt previously. So that's a positive indicator that even though COVID is still rampant, and even though countries in Europe are in lockdown state, the healthcare delivery side has not allowed itself to get frozen like it did nine months ago. So that means for us, and as we look at our inbound orders and incoming orders and what we're seeing that makes us believe that we're now starting to see a recovery, if you layer on top of the fact that no one seems to be, the lockdowns don't seem to be locking down hospitals and healthcare delivery, that's what gives us confidence that the recovery is moving in the right direction. Now, where some markets haven't quite recovered the way we would like to see them happen has been, like I said, in mammography and dental. Those vary by geography. So I think hard to pinpoint. which and when, but at the same time, if you take the general inpatient trend, the inpatient trend has been very good and I like that, that fluoroscopy and other surgery and other procedures are coming back. I haven't exactly seen that in the outpatient space yet. So mammography and dental are predominantly in the outpatient space. There, we're seeing increase in replacement volumes. That means, yes, procedures are being performed, but the larger increases in volumes will come when people start placing orders for new capital equipment. But, you know, once the procedure volumes come back, once these clinics start performing these procedures, then as the utilization goes up, then the replacement cycle starts, you know, moves forward. So we're optimistic that as long as patients keep going to these clinics, then the replacement of older systems and addition of new systems to handle the capacity, those will start to come back. So while we can't pinpoint timelines, these are all positive trends. So, and layer on that, the fact that even though vaccine distribution hasn't picked up the, you know, the pace yet, there's a general optimism in the market that there's going to be a flood of vaccines in the near future because there's so many different manufacturers that have now, you know, that are in the throes of introducing their vaccines. So, all this is contributing towards a sense of end market optimism here that we're sharing. Now, our customers, you know, they have given us anecdotal guidance that their sales activity is picking up, but there hasn't been very specific guidance on when exactly some of these – some of the orders backlogged that they have captured, with what velocity they'll start shipping those, except for CT and – People want it now. They want it yesterday. And so there's been a high sense of urgency around CT. But the other modalities, they're picking up orders. They're booking orders. We like that. And that means sooner or later the shipments will come. So that's, you know, look, all of this creates a positive atmosphere, which perhaps you're sensing from us.
spk04: Got it. Sunny, this might be getting down into the weeds. And, you know, I'd be more than happy to take it offline today. So you mentioned about your photon counting detector for CT applications. I can't help but think When you launch it eventually with a partner, is the emphasis going to be purely on, or at least initially, on image quality? Or are there going to be some clinical attributes that would also be in the mix, i.e. dose reduction that potentially could be? Or do you all think that would be the next phase with, you know, marrying up with your cold cathode technology?
spk08: Hey, so let me just comment in general about photon counting and what it's capable of. And then, Suraj, you asked your question about how they'll manifest themselves in the field. It will depend a lot on how our customers choose to implement it. So photon counting as a technology, its main benefit, there's two factors. two huge benefits from photon counting. Number one, since it counts X-ray photons versus measuring something that's a proxy for, let's say, amount of equivalent to what would be in a waveform as an amplitude. Instead of measuring the value of that, we're just counting. This is like AM to FM. AM used to measure the amplitude. It was susceptible to noise. So a photon counting detector, because it does not measure anything that's an intensity, it is not subject to noise. So if you take a signal-to-noise ratio, which is the number one thing that impacts your quality of your image, If the noise, which is in the denominator, is zero, so you get theoretically very, very high signal-to-noise ratio. So conversion efficiency of a photon counting detector is very, very high. And what that means is you get very good image quality with very low dose. That means these detectors are exceptionally sensitive. That's number one. Exceptionally sensitive detectors and every photon of x-ray is used in the imaging process versus in your traditional detectors. A lot of that is lost and you get cross noise, et cetera. So dose reduction sensitivity, number one. Number two, and this is where some of the applications creativity will come in from our customer side, which is photon counting detectors are able to, while we're capturing and counting the photons, we put them in different buckets of energy levels. So that means you can differentiate very, very precisely all kinds of very precise material discrimination. Now, what that means is you get, you know, you've heard people want dual energy, they want spectral imaging. What it all comes down to is how well can you image soft tissue? So photon counting detectors, because their inherent ability to do energy discrimination and the way we build our photon counting detector and its software algorithms, we can do very, very precise energy discrimination, which then, if you take these as the foundational capabilities, what we expect is that our customers will apply these to their new development and come up with new applications, new clinical algorithms. And really, we'll have to watch and see how they position them in terms of their effectiveness. So I can't quite answer that part of the question yet, but we know that the capabilities bring enormous potential opportunities to the table for new applications.
spk04: Fair enough. And, Sunny, last one, and I'll hop in queue. You guys have been public for a relatively shorter period of time. And, you know, we look at product life cycles, right? Intuitive Surgical, they launched the DaVinci XI in 2014. You know, now 70% have been replaced. You know, we can clearly map one is to one. Okay, this is what happened, you know, and the net effect of it. When we start talking about, you guys are working on some pretty interesting innovations that are still relatively tight-lipped about, whether it's photon, cold caps, so on and so forth. How should we start thinking about, can you give us an example of, you know, in the past, under variant, you know, this was a life cycle, you know, so that we can sort of extrapolate and say, okay, this is the time where we should start looking at the next step up, just in terms of the churn and new technology coming in. Thank you very much for taking my questions.
spk08: Yeah. Hey, look, Suraj, that last question was a very good question, but a very difficult question. And so let me frame it for you. When we have an existing platform in the market, so let's say more of a silicon detector. Actually, let me even back up further. Let's say when there were, film was being used and CR was being used for detectors, and we wanted to bring analog, I mean, we want to move to digital and introduce digital detectors. It takes, for a new platform, it takes a very long time. It takes five to seven years of active development work, and then your OEMs get into it, and by the time they bring something to market, it can be closer to seven years or more to actually start seeing the results of that technology investments start to pay back with revenues. But then after that, you get this very long stream of revenues because in healthcare, two things, adoption cycles, can be slow, but there's also very large installed base. So when you're talking about digital detectors, you're talking about two things. You're talking about introduction into the new systems, and then there's the massive installed base of half a million or more X-ray based systems that are out there that eventually will get converted. So you get this tail that's very, very long. So a new platform takes very long for it to bring to market. It also takes – the adoption rate is lower. But there's generally a tipping point. And the tipping point – even the digital detectors were introduced 20 years ago. The tipping point came with reimbursement, and it accelerated adoption of radiographic detectors into the market. And so volumes have picked up, right? Long-winded answer. But when we have an existing product, now that we have detectors in the market, for us to bring new detector models and new detector products, those are relatively fast. So from that perspective, we expect that our Our Z platform, even though it's a new platform, it's not the same as going from film to digital detectors. That cycle we expect to be faster. It's taken us about three years to bring Z platform to market, and now our customers are catching the front end of their their new product introduction cycles so now we're in our customers development cycles for introducing the products which is somewhere between one and a half to three years so we will start we have we will start to see revenues from these as customers start ordering engineering supplies etc and and we'll see soon even though we call it a new platform it is actually on it's a digital detector so we'll see faster adoption then let's say the first digital detectors Now fast forward to photon counting. Photon counting is is a very drastically different type of a detector and a different type of an application. So it takes longer. What we have seen now is that over the last few years, particularly driven by the fact that we have gotten over some of the technical hurdles, the interest in it is expanding. We still expect that it's a new platform. So our customers will have to do a lot of work with software and their applications to bring this to market. We will see that option, but it'll take some time. It'll take some time on our customer side. We are now getting very close to being ready for it. Now we're in our customer cycles. Then you take nanotubes, it's farther behind than photon counting detectors in terms of the market understanding these technologies. There, I think the adoption cycle will be similar to when you bring digital technology to market versus analog. It's a whole different platform. So I don't have a clean answer for you other than these are long product cycles. We're just going through them, and it'll take some time for the market adoption. We will be there faster than the market, as always happens. But once it changes, then a seat change occurs, and we get the front seat in that race, and we're looking forward to that.
spk04: Thank you.
spk01: As a reminder, please press – Star 1, if you have a question. Our next question is from Jim Sidoti with Sidoti and Company. Please proceed with your question.
spk02: Good afternoon, Sam and Sonny. Can you hear me?
spk08: Yes, we can, Jim.
spk02: How are you? Great, great. I think you've done a really good job tonight, you know, laying out where you think the business is and how it's going. The one question I had was, It's been about a month now since we've changed administrations. Have you seen any impact from that, and do you expect any impact from that at this point with regard to tax rate, tariffs, all those issues?
spk08: Jim, great question, tough question. Let me add that to them.
spk05: Yeah. So, hey, Jim, so far we've not seen any change, and... you know, we'll be closely monitoring anything that comes out. So that's where we are. I think we are in the monitoring mode as best as I can say at this time. But we, you know, our, from a tariff, so that's on the tax side. On the tariff perspective, you know, we've been working on our local for local manufacturing strategy. So we have plant in Wuxi in China, And we also have a factory in Europe and, of course, here in Salt Lake City. So we've been moving slowly and surely towards a situation where we are somewhat buffeted from some of these actions, whether they happen or not. So we feel good about it. But, again, even on that side, we are on a monitoring basis at this time.
spk02: Okay. All right. Really, that was it for me. I mean, the tone I get, and I think it's what you're trying to convey, is that it's really not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. At some point, these businesses will come back, and some of the measures you put in place to get through this week period are starting to pay off, and they should pay off even more once the business returns.
spk08: That's correct. Good luck.
spk05: Yeah, that's correct, Jim. The only thing I would add for you there is that Prior to quarters, we said that the business has stabilized, and now we are seeing that business is recovering. And as you look at the midpoint of our guidance, it clearly indicates that business is recovering, and that is what we are seeing in the order pattern and the flow, et cetera, at the leading edge in the company here. So we feel good about recovery, that it is happening. Definitely proceeding in that direction. All right. Well, thank you. Thanks, Jim.
spk01: Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of our question and answer session, and I would like to turn the call back over to Howard Goldman for closing remarks.
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