Waldencast plc

Greetings. Welcome to the WaltonCast fourth quarter and fiscal year 2024 earnings call. This time, all participants are in listen-only mode. The question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero from your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. At this time, it's now my pleasure to introduce Allison Malkin with Investor Relations. Thank you, Allison. You may now begin.

Thank you and welcome to the WaldenCast PLC fourth quarter and fifth per year 2024 earnings call. Here with me today are Michelle Brissett, founder and chief executive officer, and Manuel Manfredi, chief financial officer. For today's call, Michelle will begin with an update on our business and vision and discuss the company's performance within the context of the beauty market. Manuel will follow with a review of the fourth quarter and full year performance and provide our fiscal 2025 outlook. Following this, Michelle will share the strategic growth initiatives for our milk makeup and Obagi medical brands. After the prepared remarks, the operator will open the call to take questions. I would like to remind you that management will make certain statements today, which are forward-looking in nature, including statements regarding the outlook of WalmanCast business and other matters referenced in the company's earnings relief that was issued yesterday. Each forward-looking statement is subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in or implied by such statements. Additional information regarding these statements appears under the heading Cautionary Note Regarding Forward-Looking Statements in the company's earnings release and in the company's filing that it makes with the Securities and Exchange Commission. that are available at www.sec.gov and on the investor relations section of the company's website at ir.waldencast.com and should be read in conjunction with the section entitled risk factors in the company's annual report for 2023 on form 20F filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on April 30th, 2024. The forward-looking statements on this call speak only as of the original date of this call, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise any of these statements. Also, during this call, management will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, which management believes can be useful in evaluating the company's performance. The presentation of non-GAAP measures should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. You will find additional information regarding the definition of these non-GAAP financial measures and a reconciliation of these non-GAAP to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in the company's earnings release. With that, let me now turn the call over to Michel Brissett.

Thank you, Alison, and good morning, everyone. It is a pleasure to be here today and share our fiscal year 2024 financial performance. This has been a year of transformation for our group, one where we have strengthened our capabilities and celebrated many successes across our brands. Before we start, let's have a look at the health of the beauty market. In the context of an uneven consumer market, beauty remains resilient and has shown consistent growth over the years with expectations of this trend continuing in the future. In 2024, prestige beauty grew 7%. While this rate of growth has normalized post the effects of COVID, the increase in 2024 is still ahead of historical levels and supported by the same historical trend of premiumization. In the categories where we're present, prestige makeup grew 5%, while professional skincare showed a strong growth of 8%, well ahead of prestige skincare at 2%. Once again, The beauty consumer has shown incredible resilience despite external uncertainties, and our industry continues to thrive, launching brands and products that increasingly meet consumer needs and desires. We are building a global best-in-class beauty and wellness platform that creates, acquires, accelerates, and scales the next generation of high-growth, highly profitable, purpose-driven brands. Simply put, we are capitalizing on the increasing strength of our operating platform, the power of our brands, and our proven executional capability to deliver consistently strong growth at increasing rates of profitability. We expect this to continue to pay dividends as we further drive our operational efficiency and invest in selling and marketing drivers to sustain and accelerate our top-line momentum. Today, we have two of the most exciting brands that are substantially outperforming the market in the two biggest beauty categories, makeup number one and skincare number two, in the U.S. prestige beauty. Our brands participate in the most attractive sub-segments of these two categories, prestige makeup and professional science-led skincare. Their superpower is high consumer affinity and strong brand equity in the respective markets, amplified by our strong innovation capability and superior returns on business library investments. Not makeup, It's a cult favorite Gen Z brand that benefits organically from an engaged community due to its cultural relevance and iconic products. It is a leading clean makeup brand with 2.8 million Instagram followers that is growing five times faster than the market in the U.S. It is also quickly building a global following with leadership positions in several international markets, demonstrating its universal appeal and efficient expansion potential. Obagi Medical continues its clear advantage as the number one U.S. physician-recommended medical-grade skincare brand for top-ranked patients' needs, pigmentation, fine lines and wrinkles, and sagging skin. Leads in the most attractive, fast-growing segment of premium skincare. Obagi Medical consistently delivers breakthrough technology for transformative, clinically proven results to answer the needs of physicians and patients alike. Both groups show high loyalty to the brand. The strength of the Obagi brand, which we acquired a bit over two years ago, combined with our acceleration of innovation, our efficient investment in business drivers, and our go-to-market expertise have meaningfully propelled the brand's growth. We're very proud that Obagi Medical, the pioneer brand of the physician-dispensed professional skincare industry, is today the fastest-growing brand among the top 10 professional skincare brands in the U.S. And this is only the beginning. as we believe Obagi Medical is perfectly positioned to answer globally the growing consumer needs for high-performance, effective skincare, while also paving the way for expansion into new categories. At Waldencast, we've built a powerful and repeatable formula for growth and profitability, what we call the Waldencast Flywheel Effect. It is a simple yet highly effective model, but executing it consistently requires deep industry expertise and strong capabilities. It all starts with foundation. Strong brands in high-growth, structurally attractive beauty subcategories, like Milk Makeup and Obagi. These are brands that don't just offer great products. They forge deep, authentic connections with our communities, often beyond just functional benefits. And by being part of Waldencast, they gain access to greater opportunities for growth and value creation. Once a brand joins our portfolio, our first priority is driving operational efficiencies. with a sharp focus on expanding gross margins. And we'll do this without compromising. In fact, we aim to enhance consumer perceived product quality and also accelerate innovation. We then reinvest these savings into sales and marketing business drivers, which fuel further top-line growth, further enhancing gross margin and delivering operational leverage by diluting fixed costs to produce robust profit growth. As you will see in this presentation, we have delivered on these objectives in a big way. This Waldenkos flywheel effect is already paying dividends, even if we're very much at the beginning of our journey. In fiscal year 2024, we outpaced the top three best-in-class competitors and grew three and a half times faster than the average of our peer group. Our adjusted gross margin stands 430 basis points above the industry average. even as the ability to reinvest in higher ROI business drivers that fuel further growth. As a result, despite making significant investments in the group's capabilities, we achieved a strong operational leverage, expanding our adjusted EBITDA margin significantly to reach 14.7% in 2024. So where are we today and what comes next? Our platform today has two brands, Makeup and Obagi Medical, which participate in a limited segment of the vast, vast, vast beauty space. We're aiming to build a multi-brand platform that will encompass over time all the strategic key categories, geographies, channels, and price points. We're just getting started. Let me now turn the presentation over to Manuel to review our financial results and outlook.

Thank you, Michel. Good morning, everyone. So, I'm pleased to share our fourth quarter and fiscal year 2024 results with you today. Our performance continues to reflect the successful execution of our strategy that provides a powerful framework to maximize the inherent strengths of our brands, MealMakeup and Obagi Medical. As we have demonstrated this year, our strategy continues to deliver ongoing revenue and profit growth and further our commitment to deliver value for our shareholders. Today, I will focus on our adjusted financial measures You can find a reconciliation to U.S. GAAP financial measures in our press release issued yesterday and also in the appendix to this morning's presentation. So now let's delve into the highlights of our fourth quarter performance. Net revenue reached $72.1 million and represented a robust 29.4% increase in comparable growth, with balanced performance across our brands. Meal Makeup grew 31.9% in the quarter, reflecting channel expansion, including initial shipments in support of our recent launch into 600 Ulta Beauty locations and on Ulta.com. Obagi Medical delivered 27.7% comparable net revenue growth fueled by accelerated performance in the U.S. decision dispense Adjusted gross profit rose 30.7% to $52.6 million from $40.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2023, and adjusted gross profit margin remained stable at 73%, with little change from 73.1% reported in prior year's fourth quarter. Adjusted EBITDA doubled to $11.2 million from the fourth quarter of 2023, with adjusted EBITDA margin expansion of 530 basis points year-over-year. to reach 15.5%. This notable improvement reflects strong revenue momentum and improved operational leverage, which effectively offsets strategic increased investment in marketing and international capabilities to support future sustainable growth. So, our standing fourth quarter results beat on the strong momentum we saw throughout the year, leading to an exceptional fiscal year 2024 performance. To this end, let me dive into the highlights of the year. First, net revenue that achieved $273.9 million, a robust 27.5% increase in comparable growth. Next, adjusted gross profit that jumped to $203.6 million, up 35.3% from 2023, and adjusted gross profit margin of 74.3%, 530 basis point improvement year-over-year. And finally, our adjusted EBITDA delivered a stellar growth, up 65.1%, to $40.3 million. This adjusted EBITDA was driven by strong sales and improved gross margin, which more than offset our increased investment in support of our growth. This growth adjusted EBITDA margin to 14.7%, marking a 350 basis point increase from 11.2% in 2023. These results demonstrate the power of our strategy, our brands, and our teams. Now, one of the strengths of our business is our ability to efficiently convert our adjusted EBITDA into cash. This is largely due to our asset-like business model combined with disciplined approach to operations. In 2024, we saw a robust adjusted EBITDA to cash conversion ratio of 78.8%. This was achieved through effective working capital management. The fact that our business model requires relatively low capital expenditures. Let me illustrate this point. Our year-end inventory was down 4.7% versus prior year, and while accounts receivable grew 19.7%, that growth is well below our revenue increase. Now, it's important to note that currently a significant portion of our cash is being used to cover non-recurring expenses that are associated with the ongoing regulatory investigation that we have previously disclosed. We expect that once this matter concludes, we will see an increase in our cash generation, which will allow us to further strengthen our financial position and improve our overall capital structure. Now let's take a look at our financial position. At the end of 2024, our cash position was $14.8 million, and we had an additional $30 million available on our revolving credit facility. Our net debt total, $154.2 million. And for an update on the share count, as of February 28, 2025, we had 122.7 million shares outstanding. We're also excited to announce that we have secured a new $205 million five-year credit facility. This facility replaces our current one and includes a $175 million term loan and a $30 million revolving credit facility. We have secured this financing significantly in advance of the July 2026 expiration of our prior facility. And this proactive move provides us with greater financial flexibility and extends our debt maturity profile through 2030. We are pleased with the performance of our brand and business. And we believe that our ongoing growth strategy, coupled with further enhancement to our internal capabilities, position us well to maintain this positive momentum throughout 2025. With this in mind, we anticipate strong performance for the full year 2025, and we expect to deliver net revenue growth in the mid-teens. Additionally, we expect adjusted EBITDA margin to further expand into the mid-to-high-teens. Now, I would like to share some perspective on the quarterly facing of revenue. For the first quarter, we expect our net revenue to be relatively flat due to the anniversary of the highly successful Miss Makeup Jellies launch from Q1 2024, as well as inventory adjustment in some of our retail partners. Following the first quarter, net revenue growth is expected to accelerate progressively, driven by our strong innovation pipeline and the continued expansion in of our distribution footprint in the U.S. and internationally, including the launch of Milk Makeup at Ulta Beauty in March 2025. And with this, let me now turn the call over to Michel to cover our brand performance and strategic growth driver. Thank you, Manuel.

Let's now look at the performance by brand, starting with Milk Makeup. In the fourth quarter, Milk Makeup generated net revenue of $29.9 million, an increase of 31.9% versus the fourth quarter of 2023. This growth reflected initial shipments to Ulta Beauty in support of the brand's spring 2025 launch. This compensated for a normalization of the market, combined with retailer inventory adjustments, resulting in lower growth in consumption than anticipated. Adjusted growth profit margin of 64.9% increased 180 basis points from the last year, driven by the positive impact of channel and product mix. as well as margin of creative innovation. Adjusted EBITDA was 4.8 million, representing growth of 3.4 million from adjusted EBITDA of 1.4 million in Q4 2023, demonstrating the success of our wall-mounted flywheel. Adjusted EBITDA margin expanded 1,000 basis points to 16.1% from 6.1% in the fourth quarter of 2023. For the fiscal year, milk make-up generated net revenue of 124.6 million, increasing 24% from 2023. Adjusted gross profit rose 27.4% to 85 million, with gross profit margin expansion of 180 basis points to 68.2%. Adjusted EBITDA rose 58% to 29.1 million from 18.4 million in 2023, with adjusted EBITDA margin expanding 500 basis points to 23.3% of net revenue from 18.3% in 2023. Our vision for Milk Makeup is for the brand to be the number one beauty choice of the next generation. It is already a cold beauty brand among Gen Z, increasing in millennials, and hallowing onto GelAlpha, although the brand doesn't really target generals. In recognition that younger generations see themselves and their values represented in the brands they use, we unveiled a new brand mantra of lift your look, which is a celebration of individuality and self-expression. It is not how consumers wear their makeup. It's what they do in it that matters. Our growth strategy has consistently focused on three pillars. First, expand our brand and community reach by broadening brand awareness, strengthening our core loyal Gen Z audience, and welcoming new audience where our brand mantra, beauty point of view, and products resonate as strongly as with Minerians and Gen X. Second, continue to launch market-disrupting beauty innovation whilst expanding into bigger segments such as complexion. And lastly, broaden our footprint by expanding the brand's presence online and offline, both in the U.S. and internationally. Now, let's do a quick year-end review with just a few highlights. In 2024, Milk Makeup delivered strong and consistent results across all key growth strategies. Nail Makeup has expanded its reach and community by reaching a record EMV ranking at number six in February 2024, reaching one million followers in TikTok in Q2, being called in 2024 one of the most powerful beauty brands by Women's Wear Daily in Q3, and closing the year in Q4 at number 14 EMV rank and 4.8 billion PR impressions, as well as garnering 28 Global Beauty Awards. Netnet, a huge amount of buzz and support for the brands. Second, Milk Makeup Innovation broke all records with the launch of the viral sold-out cooling water jelly tint, which became the number two biggest beauty launch in the United States in 2024. And this coming from a relatively small brand in the category. And continuous extension into lip with Cush Lip Oils, mascaras with Cush High Roll, a new innovation in PD to Halo Core and Primers with Pore Eclipse and Hydro Grip and Glow. And lastly, Milk Makeup successfully extended its footprint in 2024. internationally in Europe and Asia through its viral launch in Glico in Scandinavia, Boots in the United Kingdom, and Sephora in India, among others. Looking ahead into 2025, we're doubling down our three proven growth strategies of innovation, expansion in distribution, and growing brand awareness. An early peek into a couple of 2025's two highlight links. Let's start with innovation. First, our launch of next-generation skincare, clinically proven, clean, safe for all skin types for any time and anywhere. Done, of course, the Milk Makeup way. On the back of a record-breaking launch of cooling water gelatins in 2024, Milk Makeup introduced in February Jelly Skin Care, the first jelly serum stick, mess-free, good-for-you ingredients for the juiciest skin ever. It comes in two variants, cooling water jelly ice and watermelon jelly glow, bringing hydration and glow in a unique and desirable format. It's perfect for recruiting new consumers, further building our stronghold on Gen C and entering an incremental category, skincare. And in March, Milk Makeup launched their foray into the big complexion market, a skin tint like no other, a skin tint that won't quit. Building on the insight that most existing skin tints or tinted moisturizers don't last, thereby causing dissatisfaction with consumers, Milk Makeup launched the first gel skin tint that is longer for up to 12 hours. Housed in the brand's cold hydro franchise, HydroGrip gel tint is perfectly sufficient to win new consumers in a category that is big, has high loyalty, and over-indexed to an incremental target audience of millennials. And it is the first step of unlocking the complexion opportunity. The biggest prestige makeup category with 47% of the face category and a staple in consumers' top three makeup products. It is a key category to win to build the brand to the next level. And Milk Makeup Hydro Grip Skin Tint with skincare benefits is well positioned to win in a category where 94% of consumers use makeup with skincare benefits. Now, it is only launched two weeks ago, but it's showing early signs of a viral success with a 4.7 star review on sephora.com, 96% recommended, and 34,000 lost with a 3.88 million earned media value on account. Now, another highlight for 2025 is, of course, the much-anticipated expansion of our U.S. distribution for the first time since we launched Milk Makeup in 2016. Starting the 2nd of March of 2025, NoteMakeUp expanded into more than 600 Ulta doors and online in the United States. This very important strategic expansion was much awaited and requested by Ulta guests. We believe Ulta, the largest specialty beauty retailer in the U.S. with more than 1,400 stores, 500 Ulta beauty at target locations, and 44 million loyalty members, is the perfect partner to allow us to reach a whole new set of consumers for the brand. This new retail partner is quite additive and complements our strong Sephora distribution. Now, for milk makeup, let's review our high-performance skincare brand, Obagi Medical. Obagi Medical continued its excellent performance regarding net revenue of $42.2 million in Q4, representing comparable growth of 27.7% from Q4 2023. This growth was driven by the success of our expansion strategies focusing on introducing blockbuster innovation, accelerating growth in our physician dispense channel, and expanding our consumer reach with high impact marketing. Adjusted gross profit totaled $33.2 million with adjusted gross margin contracting 130 basis points to 78.7% from 80% in Q4 of last year. We plan this reduction in gross margin in the quarter in order to drive future operational efficiency as we continue to work on streamlining our product portfolio by discontinuing some products at lower margins. The strong sales growth, combined with significant growth in adjusted gross profit dollars, more than offset increased investment in business drivers, leading to adjusted EBITDA of $9.8 million, representing a 23.7 percent increase from Q4 2023. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 23.3 percent, and compared to an adjusted EBITDA margin of 24.5 percent in the fourth quarter of 2023. Now, looking at the fiscal year, Obagi Medical delivered net revenue of $149.3 million, representing comparable growth of 30.7% from fiscal 2023. Adjusted gross profit rose to 118.6 million, to 39.4% of net revenue, versus 83.7 million, or 71.2% of net revenue in fiscal 2023. This growth led to adjusted EBITDA of 30.5 million, a 46.4% increase from fiscal 2023, with adjusted EBITDA margin expanding to 20.4% from 17.7% in 2023. OVIGEN's medical vision is to be the number one physician-dispensed dermatological brand in the world. We are today already the leading U.S. physician-recommended brand for top three concerns, representing two-thirds of in-office skincare sales, namely pigmentation, fine lines and wrinkles, and sagging skin loss of elasticity. That is a reason to believe on this global vision of number one in the world. And in the U.S., Obagi, as we mentioned earlier, was the fastest-growing top 10 professional skincare brand in 2024, showing the potential and ability to still grow domestically as we expand internationally. Our growth strategy has consistently focused on three pillars. double down on dermatological brand DNA, starting with a brand refresh from packaging to campaigns with a look and feel that reinvents our medical heritage in a modern twist that harmonizes the brand execution and resonates even more strongly with physicians and consumers alike. Keep driving cutting-edge science-backed innovation, the reason for Valley Medical to deliver unmatched targeted transformative solutions with a robust pipeline of global products with market-leading technical data to support. and grow brand awareness and footprint, making more consumers aware of Obagi Medical domestically and internationally to fuel our physician-centered ecosystem. In 2024, Obagi Medical delivers strong and consistent results across all key brand strategies. Just a few highlights. Obagi Medical doubled down on its dermatological brand DNA by signing Dr. Susan Obagi as the brand's medical director, putting physician needs at the heart of our innovation and education, as well as affirming our thought leadership in leading trade shows such as MCAS in Paris and AAD in the U.S. Over the second half, our revamped brand identity started cascading into the world through our packaging upgrade, owning and celebrating the power of our brand and franchises in a more relevant look, as well as our new visual identity. Obagi Medical accelerated innovation with a range of successful launches aimed at both consumers and the professional skincare medical community. Most notably, Daily Hydro Drops Ice, which became the number one direct-to-physician sales in volume in Q2 2024, and the Broadbuster Elastiderm Lift-Up and Sculpt Facial Moisturizer and Elastiderm Advanced Filler Concentrate, which led Q4 being the biggest Elastiderm franchise quarter ever. As for brand awareness, Obagi Medical in Q4 2024 became the number three fastest-growing EMV total beauty brand and closed 2024 as the fastest-growing brand in EMV versus its competitors at plus 85%, with gathering in organic, cold social following from professional and skin influencers in the U.S. and globally, with more than 50 worldwide publications and editors lost. And in 2025, Obagi Medical is taking its new brand identity and visibility further. visuals that celebrate the transformative skincare results of the brand in an ownable and dermatologically centered executions across multiple touch points in office and outside the office. In real life and online, driving awareness with consumers and education to guide them into the brand and into practitioners offices. Obagi Medical expanded the Susan Obagi MD collection with groundbreaking new products, including the super antioxidant serum, and the Moisture Restore Hydration Replenishing Cream. Two, clinically-backed innovations inspired by in-office patients needs identified by Dr. Susan Obagi and designed to be incremental and complementary to the existing portfolio. Moisture Restore provides medical-grade, multi-layer moisture through a unique combination of hydrators that deliver multi-layer hydration and replenishment to boost skin barriers. while super antioxidant serum delivers medical-grade defense against oxidative stress thanks to a potent antioxidant complex that works even on sensitive skin and is a perfect alternative to those who do not tolerate well vitamin C. Both have launched in February, and their results are promising, and we'll have more to share on the next call. To conclude, we're very pleased to share a strong performance across both brands. reflecting the increasing desirability, relevance, and awareness of our Obagi Medical and Milk Makeup brands. 2024 was a transformative year that saw us deliver revenue growth that was three and a half times better than the average of our peer group, adjusted gross margin that is 430 basis points better than the average of our peers. Milk Makeup grew five times the overall beauty market rate, and Obagi Medical was the fastest growing of the top 10 professional skincare brands in the U.S., Importantly, we're just getting started, and we believe our company is poised for long-term profitable growth through the growth engine we have built with our world's biggest flywheel. This magical combination of highly expert and motivated talent with a highly efficient growth and profitability engine that will only get stronger as we add new brands to the group. Thank you for listening, and I will now turn the call over to the operator to conduct the question and answer session. Operator?

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Hi, good morning. Alec Legon for Susan. Just a question on the guide for the year. So I know first quarter was guided flattish, but then that accelerates to the year. Can you kind of give us some details on the cadence of innovation and what gives you the confidence that you can get sales to accelerate to the year? Thank you.

Yeah, of course, Alex. How are you? Thank you for joining us. I mean, our guidance is fairly clear. We're very confident on the growth on both fronts in a very clear acceleration. Q1 is particularly, in the case of milk, there's an effect of two things. Number one, the anniversary of jellies, which was a really blockbuster launch last year that it's on the base. And the second thing, as we have mentioned during the call, A bit of adjustment of retail inventory adjustment by retailers and just a general market that, as you know, has been normalized and getting softer. So retailers have adjusted inventory a bit. The vast majority of effect in Q1 is really the anniversary of jellies. As we look forward in the case of milk, we only just at the beginning of the year, skintint, which is our innovation, is just hitting. I mean, our big innovation and the rest of it is not just a skintint, but the rest of our innovation is hitting only now, as well as the ultra launch is hitting only now. So we expect a strong acceleration throughout the year on a sequential basis in the case of milk. In the case of Obagi, I mean, Obagi is pretty strong growth overall coming, and we expect substantial growth coming. Our physician dispense business as well as our digital channels and international. So we are very confident in the acceleration, the sequential acceleration through the year. We have a very specific issue of in Q1 of a base being very strong with the launch of jellies and some adjustments of inventory to consumption in Q1.

Thanks, Michel. Just a quick follow-up if you're able to answer. Are you able to quantify the boost that jellies gave in first quarter? And then also, it sounds like fourth quarter had the pipe into Alta. Are you able to provide some color on how much that benefit the milk in fourth quarter.

Thank you. Yeah, we don't disclose the specific numbers behind them, as you can imagine, for competitive reasons. But I think you're right. We have a bit of an effect also. We launched, we filled a pipe of Ulta at the end of the year, of last year, in preparation for the launches this year. So when you pipe into a customer, you're piping a number of months into a customer service. We just started the consumption in Q1. you don't really get a substantial amount of replenishment orders. We're only a few weeks in, but we're very, very pleased with the launch at Ulta. And then because of Jellies, as I said, it accounts for the majority of the difference between the Q1 versus Q1 index from one to the other. So Jellies was a quite, quite substantial launch.

Thanks. It looks really good at Ulta. I'll turn it back. Thank you.

The next questions are from the line of Jonah Kim with TD County. Please receive your questions.

Thank you for taking my question. The first one is on marketing. As you continue to invest this year across both brands, what might be different from last year or the same? And just any details around how you're thinking about allocating the spend as you ramp up your marketing campaigns? And then a follow-up. Just curious on the physician dispense channel, if you're seeing any sort of softness in consumer, or are you still seeing the resilience of consumer in that channel? Thank you so much.

Thank you, Jonah. So marketing is, as you know, we've discussed before, we expect to continue to accelerate our marketing investment into the business, both in absolute value as well as a percent spent. Our model, as we indicated, is one where we drive operational efficiency and gross margin and reinvest that into business. So we expect to continue to do that on both fronts. In terms of what is different, I think in the case specifically of milk to start with, we are getting to a scale on that brand, especially in the context of the launch of Old Time in the U.S., where you should expect to see, and you are probably starting to see already, a broadening of the type of marketing we do. I think if you think about milk, how the marketing of milk has evolved over the years, it came from a very organic following, just people naturally discovering the brand, talking to their friends about it, and organically building the brand side by side with the regional exclusivity of Sephora, then shifting to a more influencer-based and boosting user-generated influencer-based marketing. And what we were doing to that is More of that, but now enhancing and complementing that with some broader, more paid brand campaign that will allow us to reach more and more consumers with that. So it's a natural evolution of kind of a growing brand and one that is getting to a size that is starting to be significant, particularly in the context of the new launch at OTA. In the case of Obagi, you've seen already this year, I think of what we've been doing recently, to drive the brand. We are, as I said, we're very proud that Obagi is the fastest growing professional brand out of the top 10 brands in the market. And this is a brand that we've demonstrated that with innovation, it's a great brand with great products, but with innovation and the marketing support we are giving it can accelerate very efficiently. And what we've done in 2014, which we'll do more this year, is taking the brand from a marketing standpoint outside of the doctor's office and advertising to consumers directly in presenting the benefits of Obagi and asking them to come discuss with a physician about the different options that they have for great transformative skincare results. So you will see more of that in the year. In the case of the DTP channel, the DTP channels, as you saw in the presentation, continues to perform very strongly. Alveit is normalizing a bit from, kind of low double digits called 11, 12% growth in prior years to the latest data we have is around plus 8% on the channel. So there's a little bit of normalization on that channel, but the channel remains very strong. And what is important in the channel is that we're seeing two effects that are substantial that play very well to our business. One is a premiumization of the channel, continued desire for more and more levels of performance that are supported by the launches we are doing. And second, a very important trend that goes beyond the channel, that brings people into the channel, which is the confluence of beauty, aesthetics, and wellness. So when we bought Obagi and focused on Obagi, this was one of the trends we identified as something that would propel us through the years, which is this confluence of the science-based skincare, but not only skincare, this confluence of beauty, aesthetics, and wellness, in which more and more procedures and different procedures are being supported by skincare. And many of our products within Obagi support post-procedure treatment.

Thank you very much for the callers.

Our next questions are from the line of Ashley Helgens with Jefferies. Please proceed with your questions.

Hi, thanks for taking our questions. So curious if you could talk a little bit about, you know, the macro environment and consumer health you have embedded for the guide for the year. And then any other initial takeaways you can share on milk as it's now, you know, officially an Ulta. Thanks.

Yeah. I mean, as we all know, the macro environment is, changing and it's interesting and exciting every week, seems like. That said, as we highlighted, the beauty consumer, the beauty industry remains very resilient. Consumers continue to increase their dollar spent year over year, with a level of normalization. Now, the drivers of that consumption remain, frankly, the same that they have been for, frankly, decades, which is the premiumization of consumers, people's desire for higher and higher levels of performance. And that's why premium beauty, generally speaking, is performing ahead of mass. And this is desire for continuing to start professionalization, higher levels of performance, higher levels of quality, for which our brands are very well positioned. As well as the reality of beauty being an expandable consumption category, in which it's as much a need category as it's a want category. And that allows consumers, importantly, these small luxuries or small splurges of time that feed consumption. So overall, in the context of a kind of changing macro environment, the beauty consumers we're seeing remains very, very resilient, albeit with some normalization. It's important to know that for us, relative to other companies in the space, larger companies in the space, we're relatively less exposed to variations in geographic ups and downs as in China and other places. So at least the markets in which we compete from a beauty standpoint remain very resilient. And Ashley, just go back to your question. You wanted some comments on milk specifically in what regard?

Oh, just kind of any initial takeaways on consumer demand as it's officially rolled out into all the stores.

Well, as I mentioned, the brand is on fire and continues to be on fire. Yes, there is this guide that we've given them on Q1 because there's a very specific annualization of issues in the base and there is a little bit of retail adjustment. But the overall demand for the brand is extremely strong. As evidence for the early results, well, first you saw the 2024 results. I mean, the brand is growing substantially ahead of the market, gaining more consumers, gaining momentum. growing in EMV, getting more and more awards, becoming one of the, you know, by industry sources, one of the most powerful brands in the industry. But even our early results, now that we are starting to activate behind all-time skin team, we are very, very pleased with the progress on those big key launches. And just a word on the skin team, because it's an important launch that I want to make sure everybody fully appreciates. The importance of the skin team is not just a simple additional innovation. It allows us to enter the largest category in the U.S. of complexion. Many consumers, even though it's a skin team, many consumers and user reviews are calling it even a foundation because of its buildable characteristics. So it allows us to participate in a massive, massive market that is not only big, but importantly has a very high degree of loyalty and a very high degree of repeat So building another franchise in a business that has high repeat, high loyalty is very strategic and very important because it propels, again, propels the business, not just in terms of growth, but also profitability because the repurchase is quite important. We don't have to, we don't have to drive trial and recruit consumers. So, so we have very, two very important initiatives running into one, you know, skinted for all the reasons I said, and I mean, it's evident in the launch of all this, not just expansion, but footprint. but important is reaching a lot more consumers that today are not reached by Sephora. They just simply don't shop at Sephora. They don't have a shop at Sephora close by. So we're very, very pleased with the evolution of those two things. And lastly, vis-a-vis the OTA launch on Sephora, we believe that the launch, as I said, is very incremental. Lots of new consumers, but there is obviously a natural level of cannibalization between Alta and Sephora that is going to be part of the first quarters as we ramp up Alta and we move the exclusivity out of Sephora into Alta. So there's a natural cannibalization and a bit less support when it comes from Sephora to the brand in the short term. But overall, the move is net-net quite incremental. We have the same space at Sephora. We have the same stores, et cetera. But there is just a natural shift towards, for some consumers, of cannibalization at Delta.

But net-net is a quite incremental business.

The next questions are from the line of Linda Bolton-Weiser with DA Davidson. Please receive your questions.

Yes. Hi. Thank you. So I just want to make sure I understand, sorry if I missed the details, but on milk, there's a skin tint launch, which is for the complexion category. And then there's a skincare launch. Is that correct? So there's like a separate skincare and is the skincare. Okay. And is the skincare product going to be shelved right near the color products like in Sephora and Ulta? Is that, is that the plan?

Yes, Linda, you're right. There's two launches, a skin tint and a jellies skincare launch. What we've done, and they will be shelved on the same fixture in both Ulta and Sephora, the skincare launch, which you may have seen and we announced as part of it, we reviewed here, is taking the breakthrough technology of jellies and that form factor, that galenic that was highly appreciated, and launching two new skincare products. And those two new skincare products have that same configuration, but are part of the launch. There are two different things, the skin tint and the skincare product, and they're both performing very well. The skin tint being the reason I'm highlighting it being the most kind of strategic, if you want, because it allows us to penetrate the foundation category, the complexion category.

Okay, gotcha. And then... In terms of the Ulta launch, is there the potential to go beyond 600 doors if it's successful? And also, are you in any of the target stores?

So the short answer is the potential. Yes, there is a potential. That said, what really is important to us and has always been important is to limit distribution on the branch. We are very focused on productivity per store. And when we developed the list in combination with Ulta, we wanted to not go into full distribution from the beginning. It was more our request to not go into full distribution as we collaborate with Ulta quite closely to ensure that we have very, very high productivity on a per-door basis. Makeup is a productivity game. As I said many times before, the fastest way to ruin the long-term profitability of makeup running in particular is to expand distribution too fast. So, yes, there is that potential, and we believe that as we continue to grow the brand and we continue to grow the brand awareness of the brand, we should never have distribution running ahead of brand awareness and growth, and as a consequence, we're quite focused on that. And, no, we are not in all that target.

Okay.

And then... Just in terms of, I was wondering, sorry if you said this already, I missed part of the call, but do you have an operating cash flow and a capital spending number for 2024?

Yes, we do. You will have it as part of the 20th.

Okay, you can't give us the number.

You will have the full financials. I mean, Manuel can comment a little bit on what we share in the presentation in terms of cash flow.

Okay. So, yeah, I mean, our capex last year, we provided $2.6 million was our capex in 2024. 2.9, sorry, 2.9, not 2.6.

Thank you.

The next question is from the line of Olivia Tom with Raymond James. Please proceed with your questions.

Great. Thank you. First question is just a clarification first on the milk launch at Ulta. As you expand into Ulta, are you losing any space at Sephora?

No, we're not.

Okay. Easy enough. And then... Can you help us on Q1 just de-layer that outlook for flat year over year? How much of that is a function of the growth deceleration, which we, of course, you know, are seeing across the industry, versus the retail inventory correction, which eventually normalizes? And then given the, you know, changing growth dynamics within the category, can you just talk about how you're adjusting your strategy given the new growth dynamics? Thank you.

Thank you, Livia. Just, again, on Q1, the deceleration is two components. One is not a really, I would say, it's not really an absolute value deceleration. What we have is just a simply a very, very big launch in the case of jellies in the base of Q1 that explains the vast majority of the index, if you want, versus the base. We had a very big launch, I mean, I Like I mentioned in the past, I've been in this industry for over 30 years. Launches at Jelly don't come across very soon, so that was a very, very big launch that we have to anniversary. And the second thing is a retail inventory. And just a retail inventory is a bunch of two things. The market is being tougher for everybody, and I think retailers as a consequence of this normalization after a very buoyant last few years have adjusted a bit of inventory and as a consequence in that adjustment of inventory in ourselves. So that's... I got disconnected. Sorry. Sorry. We got Manuel disconnected. Yeah, I'm back.

Sorry. Okay.

Sorry about that. We got manually disconnected from the call. So, sorry. Going back, Olivia. So, in Q1, the vast majority of the issue is this anniversary of jelly, which was a very, very launch. There's some retail inventory adjustments, a slowdown of the overall market, and, of course, impact to a little bit more on our consumption, which is how we died in Q1. But we, as I said, were confident on the acceleration throughout the year. In terms of how are we adjusting, the reality is that the market is a point of information for us. But it's not what guides our strategy. What guides our strategy is because we're relatively small into this market, our opportunities for growth are only limited by our ability to innovate, to create great, compelling business propositions like jellies, like skin tint, expanding our distribution, executing that well like Ulta. We believe that our growth prospects are a little bit independent, not fully independent, but for the most part independent of the realities of the market. So our growth prospects remain very strong. We have a sequential progression on the year after anniversary in jellies as the execution of our innovation plans, as well as our expansion into all top-level milk comes into play.

Got it. And then just one last point of clarification. Was all the sell-in for ALTA in the December quarter or did any of that trickle into the March quarter?

Manuel, could you even use the venture? Yeah. So we, for logistic reasons, we split the five with ALTA. So part was shipping in Q4 and part has been shipped in Q1 this year.

Got it. Thank you.

You're welcome.

Thank you. At this time, we've reached the end of the question and answer session. And now it's time to flip back over to Michel Brousset for closing remarks.

Well, thank you very much for joining us. As you can see from the presentation and our sentiment, we are very, very bullish about the prospects of the company's growth. and advancing in profitability. Our flywheel is working, is performing very, very well, and we continue to be very excited about the prospects of both Nick Makeup Brand and Obagi, both in the U.S. and internationally. So thank you very much, and I appreciate you guys being with us today.

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