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spk30: Good morning. Welcome to the WTW Fourth Quarter and Four Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Please refer to WTWCO.com for the press release and supplemental information that were issued earlier today. Today's call is being recorded and will be available for the next three months on WTW's website. Some of the comments in today's call may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those discussed today and the company undertakes no obligation to update these statements unless required by law. For more detailed discussion of these and other risk factors, investors should review the forward-looking statements section in the earnings press release issued this morning as well as other disclosure in the most recent form, 10K, and other -Towles-Watson SEC filings. During the call, certain non-GAAP financial measures may be discussed. For reconciliations of the non-GAAP measures as well as other information regarding these measures, please refer to the most recent earnings release and other materials in the Investor Relations section of the company's website. I'll now turn the call over to Carl Hess, WTW's Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, sir.
spk21: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for WTW's fourth quarter and full-year 2023 earnings call. Joining me today is Andrew Krasner, our Chief Financial Officer. WTW ended 2023 on a strong note and has begun 2024 with solid momentum as we continue to execute on our grow, simplify, and transform strategic priorities. In the fourth quarter, our world-class solutions and maturing investments in talent help generate robust organic revenue growth, and our transformation program and expense discipline drove adjusted operating margin expansion and solid adjusted diluting earnings per share growth. Our performance steadily improved throughout 2023, and today WTW is stronger, more resilient, and better positioned to achieve our goals. We delivered 6% organic revenue growth in the fourth quarter with an adjusted operating margin of 34.2%, up 180 basis points over the prior year. Adjusted diluted earnings per share were $7.44, an 18% increase year over year. For the full year, we had organic revenue growth of 8% above our -single-digit target. We also drove 110 basis points of -over-year margin expansion to achieve an adjusted operating margin of 22%, fulfilling our commitment of annual margin expansion. Our adjusted diluting earnings per share were $14.49, an 8% increase over the prior year. We believe these results are the product of our strong global client model, our strategic investments in talent and technology, and our team's hard work and relentless focus on -in-class delivery. The progress we see within WTW and the enthusiastic response we're receiving from clients give us confidence that our strategies, our people, and our investments are aligned with areas that we believe to be the greatest opportunities to drive sustainable, profitable growth and create shareholder value over the long term. Let me take a few minutes to share the progress we've made and the opportunities ahead of us across our segments. Throughout 2023, our specialization strategy in risk and broking was a key driver of growth for both the segment and the enterprise. Our specialty businesses continue to have significantly higher growth than the rest of the segment. This growth, driven in large part by improved client retention, expansion of existing client relationships, and our strengthened ability to attract new clients and win back old ones, has
spk17: validated our approach.
spk21: As a result, specialization continues to be our primary strategic focus in R&B. It allows us to create value for clients by tailoring solutions that close gaps in their risk management profiles. Together with digitization, data, and analytics, we can create efficiencies that enable us to provide more timely and effective insurance services. Our approach to specialization is tailored to each geography in which we operate. In 2023, we built out 12 industry verticals in North America. That process is now complete, with colleagues, processes, and infrastructure supporting that alignment. Given the success we've seen to date, we're in the process of launching this industry model across Western Europe, and we'll build out more industry verticals in our international region in 2024. This model, together with our global reach, has us positioned to win an outsized share of complex mandates, such as our recent win of a multi-year construction project for a key player in the European energy sector. Our cutting edge data and analytics, and our ability to bring together superior industry and product expertise from our specialist teams across several countries set our proposal apart. We're also making good progress expanding into new and differentiated revenue streams, such as our new managing general underwriter, Veritas, which is growing steadily since its initial launch in September. Just in the fourth quarter of 2023, we've onboarded brokers, found premiums, and received submissions from both external and our own brokerage clients. In 2024, we'll focus on expanding our MGA and MGU strategy to additional geographies. In addition to expanding our business platforms and offerings at risk in broking, we're continuing to invest in our people to win new business. Our colleagues who joined us during 2022 and 2023 have become increasingly productive and have brought our talent base back to full strength, as evidenced by the segment's strong organic revenue growth in the second half of 2023. Accordingly, we're now focused on strategic and opportunistic talent investments. These investments should enhance our presence capabilities in the lines of business and geographies that we believe offer the greatest growth and profitability potential. We expect these efforts to continue throughout 2024 and beyond. Furthermore, we see opportunity for continued strong new business growth, as we work closely to help clients manage a complex and challenging risk environment marked by increasingly costly natural disasters, social inflation, and geopolitical conflicts. In HWC, we've leveraged the strength of our portfolio, driving growth through and across health, wealth, and career, and DDNO. We've made significant progress by staying focused on our core businesses, by making connections across the organization where it adds value for clients, and by simplifying how we work. For example, we maintained or improved client retention rates across all of HWC, including excellent 98% retention rates for our retirement and outsourcing businesses. We added dozens of clients for our signature package solutions, like our LifeSite Master Trust and Global Benefits Management offerings. We expanded our relationships with more than 1,500 clients to include at least one new service offering. And we increased the size and scope of our hub teams and key centers around the world to enhance capacity and consistency. Our intense focus on cross-selling and making it simpler to do business with us is paying off. Across industries and services, more clients are coming to WTW for a full suite of solutions. Just to mention a few from this quarter, we had a software development firm move its global benefits consulting and brokerage work to WTW and appoint us to support their employee experience through our Embark portal and our Engage software. A major global financial corporation's simple survey request turned into a multi-year engagement for us that includes supporting the client with attracting and retaining talent and the delivery of a fully integrated total reward solution using one of our portals. And we leveraged our existing pension actuarial and outsourcing relationships with a leading regional health system into support for a rollout of major changes to their health and which include the creation of a temporary health and welfare service center. We're confident HWC will provide a solid foundation for growth in 2024. And as we've discussed on prior calls, complexity in the human capital landscape continues to increase and finding the right solutions to our clients' unique needs in this environment requires a holistic, integrated, and consultative approach. Our ability to move quickly and deliver the right resources at
spk01: speed
spk21: helps our clients take advantage of changing conditions and create meaningful opportunities for HWC. I'll highlight two trends we see as tailwinds for 2024. In our health business, clients are continuing to look for ways to address the increasing cost of healthcare around the world. They're turning to us for help with more effective plan management and specialty solutions that can improve their population's health status. And in our retirement business, clients are increasingly looking to capitalize on the change in the rate environment by de-risking their pension plans through annuity buy-ins and buy-outs. With the funded status of the largest U.S. corporate pension plans having ended 2023 at 100%, we expect this trend will support growth in that business during 2024. We also expect our growing momentum with smart connections this quarter to continue into 2024 and also extends to cross-selling between our two segments. We continue to arm all our colleagues with a solid understanding of our full range of services and the tools to identify and facilitate cross-segment opportunities. Two large client wins in the fourth quarter illustrate the power of this approach. A P&C insurance solution at a major media company that originated with one of our retirement colleagues and a multi-year health benefits design, administration, and broking engagement that began with a benefits review arranged by a CRB college. The progress we've made in enhancing our growth engines at HWC and RNB over the past two-plus years is also enabling us to drive increased margin expansion. During the fourth quarter, we saw a continuing improvement in productivity and a heightened focus on cost discipline. Similarly, our transformation program continues to drive a significant benefit to our bottom line, enabling us to finish the year strong and to lay the foundation for another year of adjusted operating margin expansion. We realized $37 million of incremental annualized savings from our transformation program during the fourth quarter, bringing the total to $337 million in cumulative annualized savings since the program's inception. Thanks to the success and momentum of the program, we have been able to identify additional savings and accordingly are raising our cumulative run rate transformation savings target from $380 million to $425 million by the end of 2024. Looking ahead, we're confident that we're on the right path to achieve our 2024 targets of continued -single-digit organic revenue growth, leading to at least $9.9 billion in total revenue, adjusted operating margins of .5% to 23.5%, adjusted diluted earnings per share of $15.40 to $17, and additional improvement in our free cash loan margin. Andrew will touch on our 2024 guidance in more detail shortly. In closing, our performance in 2023 reflected our hard work to grow, simplify, and transform our business over the past two-plus years. I'm proud of the progress we've made and excited about the opportunities ahead. Based on our momentum and our healthy pipeline, I'm confident we can deliver continued, sustainable, and profitable growth in 2024 and beyond. I want to thank our colleagues for their dedication, service, and continued commitment to our clients and to WTW. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Andrew.
spk20: Thanks, Carl. Good morning and thanks for joining us today. As Carl mentioned, we finished the year with strong momentum, putting us in a solid position to achieve our 2024 targets. And I'd like to share some further details on our financial results. We delivered organic revenue growth of 6% in the fourth quarter, bringing the full year growth rate to 8%. The ramp up in productivity of our investment hires, our specialization strategy and risk and broking, and the ongoing demand for our benefits and human capital services in HWC continue to fuel this strong top-line growth. Alongside this robust growth, we also drove margin expansion for both the quarter and full year at the enterprise level and in each of our segments. The result was adjusted diluted earnings per share of $7.44 for the quarter and $14.49 for the year. Next, I'll spend some time reviewing our segment results. Note that to provide comparability with prior periods, all commentary regarding the results of our segments will be on an organic basis unless specifically stated otherwise. Health, wealth, and career generated revenue growth of 4% compared to the fourth quarter of last year and finished the year with 6% growth. Going into 2024, we feel confident in the outlook and expect another year of similarly positive results for the segment. Revenue for health increased 6% for the quarter or 5% when excluding the impact of some modest book of business activity. We delivered solid growth across all regions driven by increased brokerage income and the continued expansion of our global benefits management client portfolio in Europe and internationally. Wealth grew 5% in the fourth quarter. Retirement growth was driven by increased project work related to de-risking activity in North America as well as additional project work in pension brokerage in Europe. Investments also contributed significantly to growth for the quarter reflecting new client acquisitions and higher fees. Career delivered 6% growth in the quarter driven by increased compensation survey sales, executive compensation and board advisory services and project work related to employee experience. Benefits delivery and outsourcing generated 3% growth in the quarter. The increase was driven by higher volumes and placements of Medicare Advantage and life policies in our individual marketplace business and increased project activity and benefits outsourcing. HWC's operating margin increased 150 basis points compared to the prior fourth quarter to .5% primarily driven by transformation savings. For the full year, HWC's operating margin increased 190 basis points over prior year to 28%. Risk of broken revenue was up an exceptional 12% on an organic basis for the fourth quarter. Interest income was $27 million for the quarter, up $17 million from the fourth quarter last year. Note that beginning with Q1 2024 results, we plan to include the impact of investment income on organic growth at the segment and enterprise levels in our materials. For the full year, risk and broken grew 10% organically. We are expecting mid single digit or better organic revenue growth for the segment in 2024 with continued contributions from our investments in talent and platforms as we identify and pursue opportunities in line with our specialization strategy. Corporate risk and broken had another strong quarter, growing 12% and continuing the organic revenue growth trajectory we have seen in the business over the last couple of quarters. Higher levels of new business activity, improved client retention and increased renewal revenue from rate increases drove robust organic revenue growth. Our specialty lines continue to be major contributors to the strong growth performance led globally by natural resources, facultative, financial solutions, crisis management and construction. Strong growth across CRB in Europe was led by P and C retail, facultative, natural resources and FinEx. North America CRB benefited from strong new business in construction, natural resources, marine, aerospace, real estate and hospitality and leisure as we saw strong demand in the industries in which we specialize. Our international region also contributed with exceptional organic growth, including strong growth across all sub-regions led by Latin America. In the insurance consulting and technology business, revenue was up 8% over the prior year period on top of a strong comparable driven by increased sales and technology solutions including strong new business and higher project activity. RNB's operating margin was .9% for the fourth quarter, a 460 basis point increase over the prior year fourth quarter. We continue to see our hiring efforts yield strong results and rising productivity driving greater operating leverage. The margin also benefited from transformation, continued expense discipline and tailwinds from increased interest income, partially offset by some modest foreign exchange activity and investments in people and technology platforms. For the full year, RNB's operating margin increased 60 basis points over prior year to 21.8%. As Carl mentioned, we plan to continue to opportunistically invest in talent and strategic initiatives in the segment in line with our previous announcement. For 2024, we continue to expect margin expansion on a full year basis. Given the business seasonality and uncertain pacing of the investments, please note that the scale of RNB margin expansion may vary from quarter to quarter. At the enterprise level, adjusted operating margin for the quarter was 34.2%, a 180 basis point increase over prior year. For the full year, we saw 110 basis points of margin improvement to 22%. The benefits of our transformation program drove a large part of our margin expansion for the year. We had 37 million of incremental annualized transformation savings for the fourth quarter, bringing the total of $337 million since the program's inception. As Carl mentioned, we are raising our transformation savings target to $425 million by the end of 2024. The additional savings will primarily come from technology modernization and process optimization, which we expect to further reduce our cost structure and help unlock additional long-term growth and cost savings opportunities. The total amount of costs to achieve is now estimated at $1.125 billion. Along with their direct return on investment, these additions to the transformation program will serve as the catalyst for additional improvement by creating an infrastructure from which to drive further efficiencies. Our unallocated net was $296 million for the full year 2023, an increase of $31 million over prior year, primarily due to a headwind from a one-time favorable item reflected in the prior year balance. Foreign exchange was a $0.02 tailwind on adjusted EPS for the quarter and a $0.06 headwind for the year. At current spot rates, we expect foreign exchange to have a $0.02 headwind on adjusted EPS for 2024 with no impact in Q1. We recorded $109 million in pension income for 2023, relatively in line with our expectations. For 2024, we expect $88 million in pension income with a decrease driven by market performance and interest rate movements. Our U.S. GAAP tax rate for the quarter was .7% versus .7% in the prior year. Our adjusted tax rate for the quarter was .1% compared to .2% for the fourth quarter of 2022. Our U.S. GAAP tax rate for the year was .8% versus .4% in the prior year. And lastly, our adjusted tax rate for the year was .9% consistent with prior year. Notably, there were non-recurring items in Q4, which resulted in one-time tax items in our 2023 adjusted tax rate. Excluding these benefits, our adjusted tax rate would have been .4% and our adjusted diluted EPS would have been $14.22. We expect our full-year adjusted tax rate in 2024 to be closer to our 2023 adjusted tax rate, excluding these one-time benefits. In 2023, we returned nearly $1.4 billion to our shareholders with share repurchases of $1 billion and dividends of $352 million. We continue to execute a disciplined capital allocation strategy and currently view share repurchases as an attractive use of capital to create long-term shareholder value. We expect to continue repurchasing our shares in 2024 under our current share repurchase authority, of which approximately $1.3 billion remains. We expect approximately $750 million of share repurchases in 2024, subject to market conditions among other relevant factors. We generated free cash flow of $1.2 billion in 2023, representing a free cash flow margin of 12.6%, above our target of 12%. The improvement from the prior year was driven by the non-recurrence of one-time headwinds reflected in the comparable period, operating margin expansion and improvement in transact cash flow. These improvements were partially offset by increased transformation program-related costs. Turning to our 2024 financial targets, we continue to expect mid-single digit organic revenue growth as we work towards our revenue goal of $9.9 billion plus. We expect our adjusted operating margin to expand toward the high end of the .5% to .5% range. We also expect to deliver on our adjusted diluted earnings per share target of $15.40 to $17. Finally, we expect incremental improvement in our free cash flow margin. Our results for the fourth quarter in full year 2023 are a testament to our continued strategic progress, our operational execution, and our colleagues' relentless focus on serving our clients. We are very pleased with our performance and expect our momentum to continue into 2024 as we focus on delivering on our targets. With that, let's open it up for Q&A.
spk30: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, to ask the question, please press star 1-1 on your telephone and then wait to hear your name announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again. We ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up, please. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Gregory Peters with Raymond James. Your line is open.
spk33: Good morning, everyone. And I'm going to say that it does feel like you finally stabilized the platform last year, so it does, it should bode well for your future. On the -single-digit guidance outlook for 2024, inside risk and broken, can you business versus rate increases is going to run through the risk and broken line? And then on the health, wealth, and career, the BDO line was a little weak in the fourth, lower in the fourth quarter. Can you talk about your outlook there?
spk21: Greg, good morning and thank you for
spk29: that.
spk21: So starting with R&B, let me begin with the effect of rate, which we frankly don't view as a significant headwind or tailwind across the portfolio in terms of how it's mattered for 2023 and going into 2024. The markets remain a bit mixed in terms of what's going on. The effect of, however, the investment we've made over the last few years in talent and the reorientation of the business towards specialization is what we feel has really made a difference for us and will continue to differentiate us going into 2024. I mean, our approach to specialization sets us apart from others in the industry. We've constructed this around specialized businesses, not just practices, focused around industry divisions. These are businesses with national or even global P&Ls, dedicated personnel, directly responsible and accountable, and that just ties to our specialization approach, which has resulted in our global lines growing much faster than our overall book, as we talked about earlier.
spk25: With respect to HWC, looking forward,
spk21: we're very confident in our pipeline, and we do anticipate HWCs to have -single-digit revenue growth in 2024. The current human capital landscape is highly complex as a result of rising health care costs, a changing interest rate environment that affects pension de-risking activity, and we see these trends as tailwinds for 2024. And as we mentioned in our opening remarks, we expect our growing momentum with our smart connection strategy to continue in 2024, and these increased cross-selling opportunities will be another HWC revenue tailwind.
spk33: Okay, that makes sense. I wanted to pivot to the free cash flow margin expectations, slide 22 of your investor deck. And what I'm focused on is that 16% plus long-term objectives, and I was looking for some more color inside some of those comments that you made in the slide about where you're going to get some positive benefits and some negative benefits, and when you think about getting to that 16%, is that like a five-year target, a 10-year target, or what kind of parameters are you putting on management around that
spk20: objective? Yeah, hey, Greg, it's Andrew. Thanks for the question. You know, the .6% margin in 2023, you know, thought was good progress on a -over-year basis, we do expect incremental improvement in 2024 as we work towards the long-term free cash flow margin target. We expect to see that margin improvement in 2024 and beyond really through three main factors. So the first one is going to be greater profitability as a result of driving margin expansion. It'll be intended to do this not just through transformation and operating leverage, but also by improving our business mix. For example, deepening our footprint in the area of MGA's, MGU's, things of that nature. The second piece is the abatement of the transformation-related spend, you know, which we're expecting through the first half of 2025. The third piece is improved cash conversion, you know, in the transact business, which we expect to be positive within the next few years. That's going to come as a result of the, you know, maturation of the business as well as improving, you know, changing the product mix within that business. Over the near term, you know, progress on some of those factors is going to be temporarily offset by cash investments in HWC and R&B for product development to support future growth. You know, things like our life-size business where we continue to invest, you know, new ICT software, and I also mentioned, you know, the MGA and MGU business as well as an example
spk30: of that. Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Elise Greenspan with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
spk12: Hi, thanks. My first question is on the EPS guidance. You guys reaffirmed the guidance that you gave us in July, but it sounds like you expect to come in at the high end of the operating margin target. And, you know, pension, I believe, is, you know, a little bit favorable relative to the midpoint of the guidance update last summer. So why not, you know, up, you know, or tighten the range towards the upside? Do you feel like, you know, you could come in towards the upside of the range and maybe there's just some level of conservatism to start the year?
spk24: Yeah, thanks for the question, Elise. So we
spk20: remain confident in the EPS target range of $1540 to $17 per 24 that we had set out. You know, as we laid out our supplemental materials, you know, you can see the puts and takes there, you know, a meaningful portion coming from operating income, you know, along with the increase in the share repurchase activity that we mentioned, about $750 billion expected there. You know, the offset there, as you mentioned, you know, some of the reduced pension income doesn't be about a 14% share headwind as well as, you know, the increase in interest expense and adjusted tax rate. And, you know, when we thought through all of those puts and takes, you know, we felt, you know, still very confident about, you know, landing within the range there.
spk12: Thanks. And then my second question is on the share repurchase guidance. So, Andrew, I think you said $750 million in 24. That's lower than what you guys bought back in 23, yet, you know, your free cash flow conversion should improve, right, from the 23 level. And then I guess even though it's not a 24 event, right, in the first half of 25, right, you guys, I believe, should receive $750 million from the Willis Re-earnout. So why would it, you know, buybacks be more than $750 million in 24 or, you know, is M&A part of the equation? I'm just trying to, you know, square the free cash flow improvement and the, you know, lower level of buyback in 24.
spk24: Sure.
spk20: The, you know, the $750 million rises our expectation for the year. That level is, you know, lower than at 23 where, you know, we did a billion. You have to keep in mind that throughout 23, you know, we took on some incremental leverage in May and, you know, throughout the year capitalized on the opportunity to buy more shares when there was pressure on the stock price. So the $750 million is not necessarily static. We continuously monitor cash levels, market conditions, and if the opportunity presents itself to accelerate, you know, share repurchases, we'll take advantage of it just like we did last year. We continue, as you might expect, to evaluate all of our options for capital allocation as we always have, which does include shared buybacks, internal investment, and carefully considered strategic M&A as part of that to ensure that we're maximizing value creation for our shareholders.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Cox with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
spk28: Hey, thanks for taking my question. Maybe a similar question to one you've already received on free cash flow in some ways, but, you know, if I exclude the $430 million or so cash restructuring charges this year, I get to a free cash flow margin over 17% in 2023. You know, is that correct? And when you think ahead to a future where restructuring spend is zero and the transact free cash flow drag has improved, couldn't there be meaningful upside to the 16% long-term free cash flow margin target? Am I thinking about that correctly or are there any headwinds I'm not considering?
spk20: I think, you know, generally over a long term, I think you're thinking about the math correctly there, Rob, and focus you on the plus symbol after the 16% that we've got in our materials and our long-term objective there. You know, it does take time for some of those headwinds to abate. You know, think about transact, for example, is that, you know, when that turns free cash flow positive, it's still a drag on free cash flow margin, right, because it's not necessarily converting at the same rate as the rest of the business. And of course, you know, the revenue there can, you know, continue to grow as well. So there's other dynamics that factor into the margin calculation.
spk28: Okay, thanks. And just to follow up on expenses and the risk in broking business, could you talk about the incremental expense savings in the quarter versus last quarter, some of the things that you started to enact last quarter, and then, you know, just some more color on how sustainable those savings are outside of the transformation program?
spk24: Yeah, there's, you know, we talked about, I think, ongoing expense
spk20: discipline across the platform. That's not just specific to R&B, but, you know, we balance, you know, the focus on expenses with the revenue growth to make sure that, you know, we're looking to generate, you know, operating leverage atop of, you know, the transformation savings across the platform. And obviously, you know, we've been heavily investing in that business, which is, you know, weight on that for certain parts during the year. Carly, I think you'd add to that. Yeah, I guess, you know,
spk21: as we've highlighted prior quarters, we have made a substantial investment in that business principally in talent, right? And now that our talent base is back to full strength, right, we're concentrating on strategic and opportunistic hires to capitalize on the opportunities we see ahead and the geographies that we offer the greatest potential for profitable growth, right? So, you know, I think it's just a momentum story at this point as opposed to a rebuilt story, which leads to a smoother pattern of expense growth.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Zorinski with BMO. Your line is open.
spk07: Great. Good morning. Now back just to the free cash flow and thanks for all the color. You know, I believe, you know, you said one of the offsets was, you know,
spk20: cash investments and product development. So I guess we'll be looking at, you know, your historical capex ratio divided by revenues. And, you know, I guess are you alluding to maybe, you know, it'd be it'll maybe kind of rise to a bit of a higher level than it is currently is one of the offsets that I want to or my splitting hairs in terms of some of your commentary.
spk24: Yeah, no, it's a good question. You know, just just
spk20: on the on the I'd say on the margin, right, we would expect it to, you know, increase a little bit. You just recall, right, it's been somewhat depressed from a spend ratio perspective over the last couple of years. Obviously, there's been a meaningful uptake as it relates to transformation spend and capex. But BAU capex, you know, as we continue to build out the platform and invest in the future, you know, would be a modest temporary offset to some of the tailwinds that I mentioned earlier.
spk07: Okay, that makes sense. And I'm really good color on the HWC segment specifically, I was it was it was interesting to hear, you know, retirement, I know, Willis has a leading defined benefit retirement solutions segment, which I think, you know, historically, you guys have talked about that
spk20: being kind of a, you know, not a not as high of a growth rate or maybe not a lot, you know, much of a long term environment, it is a growing business, which is kind of a tailwind to 24. I just want to make sure I'm understanding that those comments correctly.
spk21: Yeah, yeah, I think you've got that right. Right. We see several factors as working for us going forward. And we do have the market leading retirement business. All right. Given the economic environment we find ourselves in, and the substantial appetite for de-risking strategies and with funded positions are better, right, there's the capability to do that is increased and we're well equipped to help our clients that journey.
spk27: In addition,
spk21: the investments we've made in growing areas of the pension landscape, such as the life site business Andrew talked about just earlier, have enabled our growth in a number of economies where these strategies, you know, master trusts are an attractive place for corporate clients to gain efficiency in the
spk30: provision of retirement. Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Hughes with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
spk06: Yeah, thanks. Good morning. I wonder if you could just talk a little bit about the Transact, what your experience was this quarter, the BDO business organic growth was below average. For the business as a whole, did you see any kind of change in that market? Does it influence your long-term outlook for the business?
spk18: Well, I guess the way we look at it is, you know, we
spk21: run Transact for growth opportunities if they're profitable growth opportunities. And, you know, if the spend we're seeing that's necessary to generate a policy commission is economically sensible, we just don't do it. So, you know, we manage that business, I think, balancing growth and profits. And we this year found ourselves in a place where we made, I think, a very sensible choice, given the conditions.
spk20: And just to add one thing to that, if you recall, we had some revenue time into Q3 from that business, which I think we had mentioned on the last call. So that did factor into the quarterly growth rate within that component of HWC. So I think the best way to think about it is if you look at the full year growth rate, really representative of where we expect the business to head in the future.
spk06: Understood. Then the strategic client engagement, what was the motivation for that? And are there any particular verticals that you think are most promising?
spk24: Yeah, I think you're referring to the large complex account. Tim, is that right?
spk05: Yeah, that's right.
spk21: Yeah, I mean, we think the combination of our global footprint, our specialization approach, and our industry leading analytics offer a compelling proposition to clients facing the challenges that this macroeconomic environment can lead them to. So the extent we can help our clients manage things like natural disaster, social inflation, geopolitical conflicts, our customized tools, our specialist approach can help ensure that clients get the best return their premium dollar across their entire portfolio of risks. That's what that's
spk13: all about.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of David Motemaden with Evercore ISI. Your line is open.
spk11: Hi, thanks. Good morning. I had a question. You guys had called out, I think it was about 200 basis points adverse impact to free cash flow margins from Transact in 2022. Could you just level set us on how much of a drag that was in 2023? And then, you know, it sounds like you guys are expecting, you know, it to be free cash flow positive in the near term, which is a little sooner than I'd expected. So if you could just talk about what's driving that would be helpful.
spk20: Yeah, sure. We had about 60 basis point year over year improvement in the free cash flow margin drag from that business. So, you know, quite pleased with the progress that we've made there as that business matures and as we think through, you know, the portfolio of products within Transact. You know, the drivers of getting to free cash flow positive within that business, you know, in the next few years is, you know, more focused on the product portfolio. Different products have different cash conversion profiles. So we seek to balance that appropriately. As Carl mentioned, you know, we run that business from profitable growth. So we're always making trade off decisions there as part of that. And, you know, the business will continue to mature. So we think, you know, that will be a contributor to getting us to free cash flow positive within that business as well.
spk11: Got it. That's helpful. Thank you. And then maybe, you know, just Carl, you had mentioned the specialty businesses have higher growth than the rest of the RMB segment. Could you just put some numbers around that and size how big your specialty businesses are and what sort of growth rate they're growing at organically? Yeah.
spk21: So, I mean, what we classify as our specialized businesses or our global lines amount to about half of the portfolio for the CRB business. And I think we've used nearly twice the growth rate. It's a fair way of looking at it. So I think you can back into the relative math on that.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Clygerman with TV Cohen. Your line is open.
spk22: Hey, good morning. So that RMB growth was an exceptional number at 12%. So I'm kind of curious going forward, looking at new hires. Carl, I think you said that you'd be strategic and opportunistic. How should we think about new hires next year in terms of, is it going to be flat, up a little, down a little? And then just on the strategic client engagement that you just touched on again, still not quite clear on how that helps the specialty groups. I mean, does it slow them down because now you've got new people involved in the process? Or you just want to make sure that you understand how that's going to help boost the specialty as opposed to make it a little more complicated?
spk19: Sure. Thanks. That's a good question. Questions, maybe I should say. First of all,
spk21: with respect to talent acquisition plans, you're correct. I said we're focusing on strategic and opportunistic hiring. I think Adam Gerard has done a fabulous job over the last couple of years with his team of building back this business to full strength. But we're always going to be on the ball for talent. If we can find people who are attracted to our proposition, who can add value and revenue, we're going to continue to invest in that talent base. With regard to...
spk22: The bias would be slightly up in new hires then. Is that how I should take the opportunistic approach?
spk21: I think that I would anticipate that we are going to continue to be on the lookout for talent in the way we have over the last several quarters. We don't hire just for the sake of hiring.
spk10: With regard
spk21: to our strategic client engagement, I think I'd look at it this way. We're trying to deliver best in class service to our client base. That involves making sure we understand their risks better than anybody else. That is a specialization. Then it's fulfilling their needs. There's client engagement, which is equally important. I view this as an and, not a but.
spk20: One of the primary focuses of the strategic client engagement concept is really going to be a focus industry verticals. In particular, think about Fortune 1000 type clients where risk profiles may be more expensive and more complex than other organizations.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Yaron Kana with Jefferies. Your line is open.
spk16: Thank you. Good morning, everybody. I guess my first question actually goes back to Elise's question earlier in the call. When we see guidance and we see some of the underlying pieces move a bit, namely where we're seeing higher expectation of cost saves from restructuring, and at the same time we see the EPS and margin guidance essentially remain unchanged, I just want to make sure, and again going back to Elise's question, is there a degree of conservatism in there or are you seeing some offsets potentially that are keeping you at the unchanged EPS guidance?
spk20: I think it's probably a little bit of both there. We want to make sure we are focused on delivering in our commitments for 2024. We talked about some of the puts and takes that we expect to play through 2024 as well.
spk16: Can you maybe elaborate a little bit on what the variables would be that would get you to the upper end versus the lower end of that guidance? What would the main variables that you foresee today are?
spk24: I think
spk20: the biggest drive there is going to be organic growth, right? That will drive incremental operating leverage above maybe what our current expectations might be. So I think that will be the biggest factor there.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Mark McCone with BEAR. Your line is open.
spk15: Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Two questions. First, on the specialty lines, you said you're basically generating 2X the growth of the general lines.
spk27: To
spk15: what extent or how long do you think you can keep up that higher level of growth on the specialty lines? In other words, are they still relatively new in the market and this is truly differentiated and it's going to continue to gain a lot of share? Or did we have a boost because of the talent additions and things will settle out? How should we think about that from a longer term perspective?
spk21: Part of this is strategic, right? In that we are focusing on these businesses and that's where we are continuing to invest and we see a return there. We've been a specialist broker for nearly 200 years. Right? So I would argue that it's not likely to play itself out over the next couple. We've been doing this very successfully for a very long time. The differentiator for us, remember, is that we're actually organizing the business around this as opposed to on the side of someone's desk. And that enables us to focus on delivering enhanced value through superior analytics and client engagement that we think has a very attractive proposition. We don't see that abating.
spk15: Great. And then can you just talk a little bit about the pension and retirement business? How much of a boost could we end up getting with the change in rates and the ability to de-risk? And then to what extent are you getting any additional engagements just in terms of the news that IBM made with regards to their shift in policy?
spk21: So, I mean, we do see the macro economic environment and where the funded position of pension plans are as stimulating demand for buy-ins and buy-outs as we've talked about. And not just necessarily transacting on them, but the analysis that goes into them and the preparation. So that we do think that is helpful for us and our clients going into 2024.
spk20: And some of that will be episodic, right, as clients take on de-risking transactions. So it's not going to be any one pattern throughout the year. Yeah. And with respect
spk21: to the client you're alluding to who has reopened their defined benefit plan, there's interest out there, at least in the financial sector, in the financial sector, and we're just examining this on behalf of other plan sponsors who
spk13: may be
spk21: similarly situated. And we're
spk09: well poised and well positioned to help clients with that evaluation.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Maya Shields with Keith Brett and Woods. Your line is open.
spk07: Great, thanks. Two quick questions. First,
spk22: Kyle,
spk07: you talked about having 12 verticals. And I
spk20: was hoping you could sort of outline how much of the Fortune 1000 that 12 verticals represent.
spk18: So I don't think that map's
spk21: quite right. For instance, one of our industry verticals focuses around alternative capital, which is private equity, right? So this isn't necessarily a public equity strategy, nor is it confined to the large market. We see the industry verticals stretched down to smaller organizations as well. So the answer is there's significant coverage across corporate America with our industry verticals. Some of them are quite broad and some of them are quite focused on areas where we think we can deliver particular value, say hospitality.
spk07: Okay, fair enough.
spk20: Second, and I'm not really sure how to ask question, but you talk about how Adams brought back the staffing to full levels. Did we see full productivity from that group overall in either the fourth quarter of 2023 or over the course of 2023? Is there still some momentum for the newest cadre to expand productivity or expand margins?
spk18: Very much the latter. We do see, while we're very happy with the progress
spk21: that
spk18: both
spk21: are existing colleagues and our newer colleagues have made, we do see increased productivity as being part of the picture for our last cohort of hires.
spk30: Yes. Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Josh Shanker with Bank of America. Your line is open. Yeah, thank you very
spk32: much for putting me on hand. I just want to go back to a question Greg was asking at the beginning about the difference in the growth rates of the various segments. In aggregate, the growth seems pretty orderly, but by segments there seems to be a lot of volatility. Should we expect in the coming quarters that the segment organic growth rate will be volatile? Is that the right way to think about how your business operates? Or should we expect there to be a general run rate where there's a trend from the previous quarter that might influence the next quarter?
spk20: Yeah, I think you're asking about sequential growth rates. Parts of our business are seasonal. We do have timing things which play out periodically between quarters year to year. So that is something to keep in mind. And that is why we tend to focus on full year growth rates for businesses.
spk32: Does the seasonality shown in 2023 represent a seasonality that we should consider in the 2024 year? For
spk20: the most part, I think throughout the year we call out a couple of unusual things. For example, the timing of BDO between Q4 and Q3 revenue. And I think there were a couple of other things throughout the year. And of course, you got to think about the impact of the sales where we had some swings in some of the quarters where there were larger amounts of those. But expect to be through that largely going forward.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Mike Ward with Citi. Your line is open.
spk14: Hey guys. Thanks. Good morning. I was just curious, the margin guide relatively consistent you've spoken to some incremental savings. So just wondering if we should think about those savings maybe being offset by some costs. Could that actually benefit 2025 margins? Yes. So as
spk20: I had mentioned, as regards with regard to the 24 margin target, we do expect to be toward the higher end of that range. There's obviously some benefits from incremental savings that we talked about. And the investments that we're making are really for future growth opportunities, but also will help us unlock additional operating leverage opportunities in the future. So we do think there'll be continual tailwinds beyond 2024 for some of the investments we're making now this year.
spk14: Okay. Thanks. And then you spoke into some of the book gains in the quarter. Wondering if you could talk about where attrition is running. If 2024 is kind of a normal year, just curious how much of a headwind we should expect this year for book gains?
spk24: No, we expect
spk20: to return back towards our historical normal levels. So we don't expect any significant headwinds or tailwinds from book gains going forward. I would
spk21: just add sort of thinking about attrition at the overall level for the company. We are back down to well within the range we've had historically. So a very manageable
spk09: situation for
spk30: us. Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Murdith with UBS. Your line is open.
spk08: Yeah, thank you for putting me in. Carl, I'm just curious on the 10% organic growth you had for the year in R&B, you mentioned that it was new business and it was retention. Is there a way to parse that out and how much of the growth was client retention? Are you back to your historical client retention levels or is there more room for that to improve? We are back,
spk21: which is great to see, and that is the result of superior client service, I think, on behalf of many, many, many colleagues. I do not rest on our laurels, but it's very nice to be where we are. Our performance in first rate. Very proud of the effort the team has made of representing what we can do at WGW.
spk08: Great, thank you. And then the second question, I'm just curious with your 2024 outlook, what is the baseline assumption with respect to economic growth and inflation as you kind of look out? Do you expect things to continue the way they are or any type of change?
spk21: I think continue the way they are over, not looking too far back in the mirror on that one. We're not sort of anticipating incredible economic dislocation, nor are we sort of looking toward incredible geopolitical dislocation, but we do recognize there's a lot of volatility out there that is not necessarily great for our clients, but it does mean that there's more opportunities for us to help them manage that volatility.
spk30: Thank you. I'm sure no further questions in the queue. I will now like to turn the call back over to Carl Hess for closing remarks.
spk21: So thank you all again for joining us. I appreciate all of our WTW colleagues globally who have worked tirelessly to help us end the year on such a strong note. I am proud of everything we've achieved in 2023. I look forward to us keeping up the momentum in 2024.
spk30: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
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spk30: Thank you. Good morning. Welcome to the WTW Fourth Quarter and Four Year 2023 earnings conference call. Please refer to WTWCO.com for the press release and supplemental information that were issued earlier today. Today's call is being recorded and will be available for the next three months on WTW's website. Some of the comments in today's call may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those discussed today and the company undertakes no obligation to update these statements unless required by law. For more detailed discussion of these and other risk factors, investors should review the forward-looking statements section in the earnings press release issued this morning, as well as other disclosure in the most recent form, 10-K, and other -Towles-Watson SEC filings. During the call, certain non-GAAP financial measures may be discussed. For reconciliations of the non-GAAP measures, as well as other information regarding these measures, please refer to the most recent earnings release and other materials in the Investor Relations section of the company's website. I'll now turn the call over to Carl Hess, WTW's Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, sir.
spk21: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for WTW's fourth quarter and full-year 2023 earnings call. Joining me today is Andrew Krasner, our Chief Financial Officer. WTW ended 2023 on a strong note and has begun 2024 with solid momentum as we continue to execute on our Grow, Simplify, and Transform strategic priorities. The fourth quarter, our world-class solutions and maturing investments in talent help generate robust organic revenue growth. Our transformation program and expense discipline drove adjusted operating margin expansion and solid adjusted diluting earnings per share growth. Our performance steadily improved throughout 2023, and today WTW is stronger, more resilient, and better positioned to achieve our goals. We delivered 6% organic revenue growth in the fourth quarter with an adjusted operating margin of 34.2%, up 180 basis points over the prior year. Adjusted diluted earnings per share were $7.44, an 18% increase year over year. For the full year, we had organic revenue growth of 8% above our -single-digit target. We also drove 110 basis points of -over-year margin expansion to achieve an adjusted operating margin of 22%, fulfilling our commitment of annual margin expansion. Our adjusted diluting earnings per share were $14.49, an 8% increase over the prior year. We believe these results are the product of our strong global client model, our strategic investments in talent and technology, and our team's hard work and relentless focus on -in-class delivery. The progress we see within WTW and the enthusiastic response we're receiving from clients give us confidence that our strategies, our people, and our investments are aligned with areas that we believe to be the greatest opportunities to drive sustainable, profitable growth and create shareholder value over the long term. Let me take a few minutes to share the progress we've made and the opportunities ahead of us across our segments. Throughout 2023, our specialization strategy in risk and broking was a key driver of growth for both the segment and the enterprise. Our specialty businesses continue to have significantly higher growth than the rest of the segment. This growth, driven in large part by improved client retention, expansion of existing client relationships, and our strengthened ability to attract new clients and win back old ones, has validated our approach. As a result, specialization continues to be our primary strategic focus in R&B. It allows us to create value for clients by tailoring solutions that close gaps in their risk management profiles. Together with digitization, data, and analytics, we can create efficiencies that enable us to provide more timely and effective insurance services. Our approach to specialization is tailored to each geography in which we operate. In 2023, we built out 12 industry verticals in North America. That process is now complete with colleagues, processes, and infrastructure supporting that alignment. Given the success we've seen to date, we're in the process of launching this industry model across Western Europe, and we'll build out more industry verticals in our international region in 2024. This model, together with our global reach, has us positioned to win an outsized share of complex mandates, such as our recent win of a multi-year construction project for a key player in the European energy sector. Our cutting-edge data and analytics and our ability to bring together superior industry and product expertise from our specialist teams across several countries set our proposal apart. We're also making good progress expanding into new and differentiated revenue streams, such as our new managing general underwriter, Veritas, which is growing steadily since its initial launch in September. Just in the fourth quarter of 2023, we've onboarded brokers, found premiums, and received submissions from both external and our own brokerage clients. In 2024, we'll focus on expanding our MGA and MGU strategy to additional geographies. In addition to expanding our business platforms and offerings at risk and broking, we're continuing to invest in our people to win new business. Our colleagues who joined us during 2022 and 2023 have become increasingly productive and have brought our talent base back to full strength, as evidenced by the segment's strong organic revenue growth in the second half of 2023. Accordingly, we're now focused on strategic and opportunistic talent investments. These investments should enhance our presence capabilities in the lines of business and geographies that we believe offer the greatest growth and profitability potential. We expect these efforts to continue throughout 2024 and beyond. Furthermore, we see opportunity for continued strong new business growth as we work closely to help clients manage a complex and challenging risk environment marked by increasingly costly national disasters, social inflation, and geopolitical conflicts. In HWC, we've leveraged the strength of our portfolio, driving growth through and across health, wealth, and career, and DDNO. We've made significant progress by staying focused on our core businesses, by making connections across the organization where it adds value for clients, and by simplifying how we work. For example, we maintained or improved client retention rates across all of HWC, including excellent 98% retention rates for our retirement and outsourcing businesses. We added dozens of clients for our signature package solutions, like our LifeSite Master Trust and Global Benefits Management offerings. We expanded our relationships with more than 1,500 clients to include at least one new service offering. And we increased the size and scope of our hub teams in key centers around the world to enhance capacity and consistency. Our intense focus on cross-selling and making it simpler to do business with us is paying off. Across industries and services, more clients are coming to WTW for a full suite of solutions. Just to mention a few from this quarter, we had a software development firm move its global benefits consulting and brokerage work to WTW and appoint us to support their employee experience through our Embark Portal and our Engage software. A major global financial corporation simple survey request turned into a multi-year engagement for us that includes supporting the client with attracting and retaining talent and the delivery of a fully integrated total reward solution using one of our and outsourcing relationships with a leading regional health system into support for a rollout of major changes to their health and benefits program, which include the creation of a temporary health and welfare service center. We're confident HWC will provide a solid foundation for growth in 2024. And as we've discussed on prior calls, complexity in the human capital landscape continues to increase and finding the right solutions to our clients' unique needs in this environment requires a holistic, integrated, and consultative approach. Our ability to move quickly and deliver the right resources at
spk01: speed
spk21: helps our clients take advantage of changing conditions and create meaningful opportunities for HWC. I'll highlight two trends we see as tailwinds for 2024. In our health business, clients are continuing to look for ways to address the increasing cost of healthcare around the world. They're turning to us for help with more effective plan management and specialty solutions that can improve their population's health status. And in our retirement business, clients are increasingly looking to capitalize on the change in the rate environment by de-risking their pension plans through annuity buy-ins and buy-outs. With the funded status of the largest U.S. corporate pension plans having ended 2023 at 100%, we expect this trend will support growth in that business during 2024. We also expect our growing momentum with smart connections this quarter to continue into 2024 and also extends to cross-selling between our two segments. We continue to arm all our colleagues with a solid understanding of our full range of services and the tools to identify and facilitate cross-segment opportunities. Two large client wins in the fourth quarter illustrate the power of this approach. A P&C insurance solution at a major media company that originated with one of our retirement colleagues and a multi-year health benefits design, administration, and broking engagement that began with a benefits review arranged by a CRB colleague. The progress we've made in enhancing our growth engines at HWC and During the fourth quarter, we saw a continuing improvement in productivity and a heightened focus on cost discipline. Similarly, our transformation program continues to drive a significant benefit to our bottom line, enabling us to finish the year strong and to lay the foundation for another year of adjusted operating margin expansion. We realized $37 million of incremental annualized savings from our transformation program during the fourth quarter, bringing the total to $337 million in cumulative annualized savings since the program's inception. Thanks to the success and momentum of the program, we have been able to identify additional savings and accordingly are raising our cumulative run rate transformation savings target from $380 million to $425 million by the end of 2024. Looking ahead, we're confident that we're on the right path to achieve our 2024 targets of continued -single-digit organic revenue growth, leading to at least $9.9 billion in total revenue, adjusted operating margins of .5% to 23.5%, adjusted diluted earnings per share of $15.40 to $17, and additional improvement in our free cash loan margin. Andrew will touch on our 2024 guidance in more detail shortly. In closing, our performance in 2023 reflected our hard work to grow, simplify, and transform our business over the past two-plus years. I'm proud of the progress we've made and excited about the opportunities ahead. Based on our momentum and our healthy pipeline, I'm confident we can deliver continued, sustainable, and profitable growth in 2024 and I want to thank our colleagues for their dedication, service, and continued commitment to our clients and to WTW. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Andrew.
spk20: Thanks, Carl. Good morning and thanks for joining us today. As Carl mentioned, we finished the year with strong momentum, putting us in a solid position to achieve our 2024 targets, and I'd like to share some further details on our financial results. We delivered organic revenue growth of 6% in the fourth quarter, bringing the full year growth rate to 8%. The ramp up in productivity of our investment hires, our specialization strategy and risk and broking, and the ongoing demand for our benefits and human capital services in HWC continue to fuel this strong top line growth. Alongside this robust growth, we also drove margin expansion for both the quarter and full year at the enterprise level and in each of our segments. The result was adjusted diluted earnings per share of $7.44 for the quarter and $14.49 for the year. Next, I'll spend some time reviewing our segment results. Note that to provide comparability with prior periods, all commentary regarding the results of our segments will be on an organic basis unless specifically stated otherwise. Health, wealth, and career generated revenue growth of 4% compared to fourth quarter of last year and finished the year with 6% growth. Going into 2024, we feel confident in the outlook and expect another year of similarly positive results for the segment. Revenue for health increased 6% for the quarter or 5% when excluding the impact of some modest book of business activity. We delivered solid growth across all regions driven by increased brokerage income and the continued expansion of our global benefits management client portfolio in Europe and international. Wealth grew 5% in the fourth quarter. Retirement growth was driven by increased project work related to de-risking activity in North America as well as additional project work in pension brokerage in Europe. Investments also contributed significantly to growth for the quarter reflecting new client acquisitions and higher fees. Career delivered 6% growth in the quarter driven by increased compensation survey sales, executive compensation, and board advisory services and project work related to employee experience. Benefits delivery and outsourcing generated 3% growth in the quarter. The increase was driven by higher volumes and placements of Medicare Advantage and life policies in our individual marketplace business and increased project activity and benefits outsourcing. HWC's operating margin increased 150 basis points compared to the prior fourth quarter to .5% primarily driven by transformation savings. For the full year, HWC's operating margin increased 190 basis points over prior year to 28%. Risk of broken revenue was up an exceptional 12% on an organic basis for the fourth quarter. Interest income was $27 million for the quarter, up $17 million from the fourth quarter last year. Note that beginning with Q1 2024 results, we plan to include the impact of investment income on organic growth at the segment and enterprise levels in our materials. For the full year, risk and broken grew 10% organically. We are expecting mid single digit or better organic revenue growth for the segment in 2024 with continued contributions from our investments in talent and platforms as we identify and pursue opportunities in line with our specialization strategy. Corporate risk and broken had another strong quarter, growing 12% and continuing the organic revenue growth trajectory we have seen in the business over the last couple of quarters. Higher levels of new business activity, improved client retention and increased renewal revenue from rate increases drove robust organic revenue growth. Our specialty lines continue to be major contributors to the strong growth performance led globally by natural resources, financial solutions, crisis management and construction. Strong growth across CRB in Europe was led by P and C retail, faculty, natural resources and finance. North America CRB benefited from strong new business in construction, natural resources, marine, aerospace, real estate and hospitality and our international region also contributed with exceptional organic growth, including strong growth across all sub regions led by Latin America. In the insurance consulting and technology business, revenue was up 8% over the prior year period on top of a strong comparable, driven by increased sales and technology solutions including strong new business and higher project activity. R&B's operating margin was .9% for the fourth quarter, a 460 basis point increase over the prior year fourth quarter. We continue to see our hiring efforts yield strong results and rising productivity, driving greater operating leverage. The margin also benefited from transformation, continued expense discipline and tailwinds from increased interest income, partially offset by some modest foreign exchange activity and investments in people and technology platforms. For the full year, R&B's operating margin increased 60 basis points over prior year to 21.8%. As Carl mentioned, we plan to continue to opportunistically invest in talent and strategic initiatives in the segment in line with our previous announcement. For 2024, we continue to expect margin expansion on a full year basis. Given the business seasonality and uncertain pacing of the investments, please note that the scale of R&B margin expansion may vary from quarter to quarter. At the enterprise level, adjusted operating margin for the quarter was 34.2%, a 180 basis point increase over prior year. For the full year, we saw 110 basis points of margin improvement to 22%. The benefits of our transformation program drove a large part of our margin expansion for the year. We had 37 million of incremental annualized transformation savings for the fourth quarter, bringing the total to 337 million since the program's inception. As Carl mentioned, we are raising our transformation savings target to 425 million by the end of 2024. The additional savings will primarily come from technology modernization and process optimization, which we expect to further reduce our cost structure and help unlock additional long-term growth and cost savings opportunities. The total amount of costs to achieve is now estimated at 1.125 billion. Along with their direct return on investment, these additions to the transformation program will serve as the catalyst for additional improvement by creating an infrastructure from which to drive further efficiencies. Our unallocated net was 296 million for the full year 2023, an increase of 31 million over prior year, primarily due to a headwind from a one-time favorable item reflected in the prior year balance. Foreign exchange was a two-cent tailwind on adjusted EPS for the quarter and a six-cent headwind for the year. At current spot rates, we expect foreign exchange to have a two-cent headwind on adjusted EPS for 2024 with no impact in Q1. We recorded 109 million in pension income for 2023, relatively in line with our expectations. For 2024, we expect 88 million in pension income with a decrease driven by market performance and growth. Our U.S. GAAP tax rate for the quarter was .7% versus .7% in the prior year. Our adjusted tax rate for the quarter was .1% compared to .2% for the fourth quarter of 2022. Our U.S. GAAP tax rate for the year was .8% versus .4% in the prior year. And lastly, our adjusted tax rate for the year was .9% consistent with prior year. Notably, there were non-recurring items in Q4, which resulted in one-time tax items in our 2023 adjusted tax rate. Excluding these benefits, our adjusted tax rate would have been .4% and our adjusted diluted EPS would have been $14.22. We expect our full-year adjusted tax rate in 2024 to be closer to our one-time benefits. In 2023, we returned nearly $1.4 billion to our shareholders with share repurchases of $1 billion and dividends of $352 million. We continue to execute a disciplined capital allocation strategy and currently view share repurchases as an attractive use of capital to create long-term shareholder value. We expect to continue repurchasing our shares in 2024 under current share repurchase authority, of which approximately $1.3 billion remains. We expect approximately $750 million of share repurchases in 2024, subject to market conditions among other relevant factors. We generated free cash flow of $1.2 billion in 2023, representing a free cash flow margin of .6% above our target of 12%. The improvement from the prior year was driven by the recurrence of one-time headwinds reflected in the comparable period, operating margin expansion, and improvement in transact cash flow. These improvements were partially offset by increased transformation program related costs. Turning to our 2024 financial targets, we continue to expect mid-single digit organic revenue growth as we work towards our revenue goal of $9.9 billion plus. We expect our adjusted operating margin to expand toward the high end of the .5% to .5% range. We also expect to deliver on our adjusted diluted earnings per share target of $15.40 to $17. Finally, we expect incremental improvement in our free cash flow margin. Our results for the fourth quarter in full year 2023 are a testament to our continued strategic progress, our operational execution, and our colleagues' relentless focus on serving our clients. We are very pleased with our performance and expect our momentum to continue into 2024 as we focus on delivering on our targets. With that, let's open it up for Q&A.
spk30: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, to ask the question, please press star 1-1 on your telephone and then wait to hear your name announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again. We ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up, please. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Gregory Peters with Raymond James. Your line is open.
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spk21: well. I hope you're doing well. I hope you're going well when you're in these thoughts and opinions that the team has seen, are a big punch, and they think we need to put the team back where we belong last season and get back up and sitting where the system is in the lead when they just didn't, and we're closer to that, back where they came last year. Maybe that might be a more open question. People should start thinking about a little bit about becoming a congratulate in matri下. Let's say in Hyun You know, the markets remain a bit mixed in terms of what's going on. The effect of, however, you know, the investment we've made over the last few years in talent and the reorientation of the business towards specialization is what we feel has really made a difference for us and will continue to differentiate us going into 2024. I mean, our approach to specialization sets us apart from others in the industry. You know, we've constructed this around specialized businesses, not just practices, focused around industry divisions, right? And these are businesses with national or even global P&Ls, dedicated personnel, directly responsible and accountable, and that just ties to our specialization approach, which has resulted in our global lines growing much faster than our overall book, as we talked about earlier. With respect to HWC,
spk25: you know, looking forward,
spk21: we're very confident in our pipeline, and we do anticipate HWCs that have -single-digit revenue growth in 2024. You know, the current human capital landscape is highly complex as a result of rising health and changing interest rate environment that affects pension de-risking activity, and we see these trends as tailwinds for 2024. And as we mentioned in our opening remarks, we expect our growing momentum with our smart connection strategy to continue in 2024, and these increased cross-selling opportunities will be another HWC revenue tailwind.
spk33: Okay, that makes sense. I wanted to pivot to the free cash flow margin expectations, slide 22 of your investor deck, and what I'm focused on is that 16% plus long-term objectives, and I was looking for some more color inside some of those comments that you made in the slide about where you're going to get some positive benefits and some negative benefits, and when you think about getting to that 16%, is that like a five-year target, a 10-year target, or what kind of parameters are you putting on management around that
spk20: objective? Yeah. Yeah, hey, Greg, it's Andrew. Thanks for the question. You know, the .6% margin in 2023, you know, felt was good progress on a -over-year basis. We do expect incremental improvement in 2024 as we work towards the long-term free cash flow margin target. You know, we expect to see that margin improvement in 2024 and beyond really through three main factors. So the first one is going to be greater profitability as a result of driving margin expansion. You know, we intend to do this not just through transformation and operating leverage, but also by improving our business mix, you know, for example, you know, deepening our footprint in the area of MGA's, MGU's, things of that nature. The second piece is the abatement of the transformation-related spend, you know, which we're expecting, you know, through the first half of 2025. The third piece is improved cash conversion, you know, in the transact business, which we expect to be positive within the next few years. You know, that's going to come as a result of the, you know, maturation of the business, as well as the improving, you know, changing the product mix within that business. You know, over the near term, you know, progress on some of those factors is going to be temporarily offset by cash investments in HWC and R&B for product development to support future growth. You know, things like our life-size business where we continue to invest, you know, new ICT software, and I also mentioned, you know, the MGA and MGU business, as well as an example
spk30: of that. Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Elise Greenspan with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
spk12: Hi, thanks. My first question is on the EPS guidance. You guys reaffirmed the guidance that you gave us in July, but it sounds like you expect to come in at the high end of the operating margin target. And, you know, pension, I believe, is, you know, a little bit favorable relative to the midpoint of the guide, guidance update last summer. So why not, you know, up, you know, or tighten the range towards the upside? Do you feel like, you know, you could come in towards the upside of the range, and maybe there's just some level of conservatism to start the year?
spk24: Yeah, thanks for the question, Elise. So we remain confident
spk20: in the EPS target range of $1540 to $17 for 24 that we had set out. You know, as we laid out our supplemental materials, you know, you can see the puts and takes there. You know, a meaningful portion coming from operating income, you know, along with the increase in the share repurchase activity that we mentioned, about $750 billion expected there. You know, the offset there, as you mentioned, you know, some of the reduced pension income, that's going to be about a 14% share headwind, as well as, you know, the increase in interest expense and adjusted tax rate. And, you know, when we thought through all of those puts and takes, you know, we felt, you know, still very confident about, you know, landing within the range there.
spk12: Thanks. And then my second question is on the share repurchase guidance. So, Andrew, I think you said $750 million in 24. That's lower than what you guys bought back in 23, yet, you know, your free cash flow conversion should improve, right, from the 23 level. And then I guess even though it's not a 24 event, right, in the first half of 25, right, you guys, I believe, should receive $750 million from the Willis Re-earnout. So why would it, you know, buybacks be more than $750 million in 24 or, you know, is M&A part of the equation? I'm just trying to, you know, square the free cash flow improvement and the, you know, lower level of buyback in 24.
spk24: Sure.
spk20: The, you
spk24: know, the
spk20: $750 million rises are an expectation for the year. That level is, you know, lower than at 23 where, you know, we did a billion. You have to keep in mind that throughout 23, you know, we took on some incremental leverage in May and, you know, throughout the year, capitalized on the opportunity to buy more shares when there was pressure on the stock price. So the $750 million is not necessarily static. We continuously monitor cash levels, market conditions, and if the opportunity presents itself to accelerate, you know, share repurchases, we'll take advantage of it just like we did last year. We continue, as you might expect, to evaluate all of our options for capital allocation, as we always have, which does include shared buybacks, internal investment, and carefully considered strategic M&A as part of that to ensure that we're maximizing value creation for our shareholders.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Cox with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
spk28: Hey, thanks for taking my question. Maybe a similar question to one you've already received on free cash flow in some ways, but, you know, if I exclude the $430 million or so cash restructuring charges this year, I get to a free cash flow margin over 17% in 2023. Is that correct? And when you think ahead to a future where restructuring spend is zero and the transact free cash flow drag has improved, couldn't there be meaningful upside to the 16% long-term free cash flow margin target? Am I thinking about that correctly or are there any headwinds I'm not considering?
spk20: I think, you know, generally over a long term, I think you're thinking about the math correctly there, Rob, you know, and focus you on the plus symbol after the 16% that we've got in our materials and our long-term objective there. You know, it does take time for some of those headwinds to evade. You know, think about transact, for example, is that, you know, when that turns free cash flow positive, it's still a drag on free cash flow margin, right? Because it's not necessarily converting at the same rate as the rest of the business. And of course, you know, the revenue there can, you know, continue to grow as well. So there's other dynamics that factor into the margin calculation.
spk28: Okay, thanks. And just to follow up on expenses and the risk in broking business, could you talk about the incremental expense savings in the quarter versus last quarter, some of the things that you started to enact last quarter, and then, you know, just some more color on how sustainable those savings are outside of the transformation program?
spk24: Yeah, there's, you know, we talked about, I think, ongoing
spk20: expense discipline
spk24: across
spk20: the platform. That's not just specific to R&B, but, you know, we balance, you know, the focus on expenses with the revenue growth to make sure that, you know, we're looking to generate, you know, operating leverage atop of, you know, the transformation savings across the platform. And obviously, you know, we've been heavily investing in that business, which is, you know, weight on that for certain parts during the year. Carly, anything you'd add to that? Yeah, I guess, you know,
spk21: as
spk20: we've
spk21: highlighted prior quarters, we have made a substantial investment in that business principally in talent, right? And now that our talent base is back to full strength, right, we're concentrating on strategic and opportunistic hires to capitalize on the opportunities we see ahead and the geographies that we offer the greatest potential for profitable growth, right? So, you know, I think it's just a momentum story at this point as opposed to a rebuilt story, which leads to a smoother pattern of expense
spk09: growth.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Zorinski with BMO. Your line is open.
spk07: Great. Good morning. Now, back just to the free cash flow, and thanks for all the color. You know, I believe, you know, you said one of the offsets was, you know,
spk20: cash investments and product development. So I guess we'd be looking at, you know, your historical capex ratio divided by revenues. And, you know, I guess are
spk07: you alluding to maybe, you know, it'd be it'll maybe kind of rise to a bit of a higher level
spk20: than it is currently is one of the offsets that I want to or my splitting hairs in terms of some of your commentary.
spk24: Yeah, no, it's a good question. You know, just just on the
spk20: on the I'd say on the margin, right? We would expect it to, you know, increase a little bit. Just recall, right? It's been somewhat depressed from a spend ratio perspective over the last couple of years. Obviously, there's been a meaningful uptake as it relates to transformation spend and capex. But the capex, you know, as we continue to build out the platform and invest in the future, you know, would be a modest, temporary offset to some of the tailwinds that I mentioned earlier.
spk07: OK, that makes sense. And I'm really good color on the HWC segments, but simply I was it was it was interesting to hear, you know, the defined benefit retirement solutions segment, which I think, you know,
spk20: historically, you guys have talked about that being kind of a, you know, not a not as high of a growth rate or maybe not a lot, you know, much of a long term grower. But it sounded like you said in the near term because of the environment, it is a growing business, which is kind of a tailwind to 24. I just want to make sure I'm understanding those comments correctly.
spk21: Yeah, I think you've got that right. Right. We see several factors as working for us going forward. And we do have the market leading retirement business. All right. Given the economic environment we find ourselves in and the status our pension clients enjoy, right. There still remains a substantial appetite for de-risking strategies. And with funded positions are better, right. There's the capability to do that. It's increased and we're well equipped to help our clients that journey.
spk27: In addition,
spk21: the investments we've made in growing areas of the pension landscape, such as the life site business Andrew talked about just earlier, have enabled our growth in a number of economies where these strategies, you know, master trusts are an attractive place for corporate clients to gain efficiency in the
spk30: provision of retirement. Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Hughes with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
spk06: Yeah, thanks. Good morning. I wonder if you could just talk a little bit about the TransAct, what your experience was this quarter. The BDO business organic growth was below average for the business as a whole. Did you see any kind of change in that market and does it influence your long-term outlook for the business?
spk18: Well, I guess the way we look at it is, you know,
spk21: we run TransAct for growth opportunities if they're profitable growth opportunities. And, you know, if the spend we're seeing that's necessary to generate, you know, a policy commission is economically sensible, we just don't do it. So, you know, we manage that business, I think, balancing growth and profits. And we this year found ourselves in a place where we made, I think, a very sensible choice given the conditions.
spk20: And just to add one thing to that, if you recall, we had some revenue time into Q3 from that business, which I think we had mentioned on the last call. So that did factor into the quarterly growth rate within that component of HWC. So I think the best way to think about it is if you look at the full year growth rate, really representative of where we expect the business to head in the future.
spk06: Understood. Then the strategic client engagement, what was the motivation for that and are there any particular verticals that you think are most promising?
spk24: Yeah, I think you're referring to the large complex account. Jim, is that right?
spk05: Yeah, that's right.
spk21: Yeah, I mean, we think the combination of our global footprint, our specialization approach, and our industry leading analytics offer a compelling proposition to clients facing the challenges that this macroeconomic environment can lead them to. All right. So the extent we can help our clients manage things like natural disaster, social inflation, geopolitical conflicts, right, our customized tools, our specialist approach can help ensure that clients get the best return for their premium dollar across their entire portfolio. That's what that's all about.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of David Mott Madden with Evercore SI. Your line is open.
spk11: Hi, thanks. Good morning. I had a question. You guys had called out, I think it was about a 200 basis points adverse impact to free cash flow margins from Transact in 2022. So could you just level set us on how much of a drag that was in 2023? And then, you know, it sounds like you guys are expecting, you know, it to be free cash flow positive in the near term, which is a little sooner than I'd expected. So if you could just talk about what's driving that, it would be helpful.
spk20: Yeah, sure. We had about 60 basis point year over year improvement in the free cash flow margin drag from that business. So, you know, quite pleased with the progress that we've made there at that business matures. And as we think through, you know, the portfolio of products within Transact, you know, the drivers of getting to free cash flow positive within that business, you know, the next few years is, you know, more focused on the product portfolio. Different products have different cash conversion profiles. So we seek to balance that appropriately. As Carl mentioned, you know, we run that business for profitable growth. So we're always making trade off decisions there as part of that. And, you know, the business will continue to mature. So we think, you know, that will be a contributor to getting us to free cash flow positive within that business as well.
spk11: Got it. That's helpful. Thank you. And then maybe, you know, just Carl, you had mentioned the specialty businesses have higher growth than the rest of the R&B segment. Could you just put some numbers around that and size how big your specialty businesses are and what sort of growth rate they're growing at organically?
spk21: Yeah. So, I mean, what we classify as our specialized businesses are global lines amount to about half of the portfolio for the CRB business. And I think we've used nearly twice the growth rate. It's a fair way of looking at it. So I think you can back into the relative math on that.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Clygerman with TD Cohen. Your line is open.
spk22: Hey, good morning. So that R&B growth was an exceptional number at 12 percent. So I'm kind of curious going forward, looking at new hires. Carl, I think you said that you'd be strategic and opportunistic. How should we think about new hires next year in terms of is it going to be flat, up a little, down a little? And then just on the strategic client engagement that you just touched on again. I'm still not quite clear on how that helps the specialty groups. I mean, does it does it slow them down because now you've got new people involved in the in the process or you just want to make sure that you understand how that's going to help boost the specialty as opposed to make it a little more complicated?
spk19: Sure. Thanks. Good question. Questions, maybe I should say. First of
spk21: all, with respect to talent acquisition plans, you're correct. I said we're focusing on strategic and opportunistic hiring. You know, we've done I think Adam Gerard has done a fabulous job over the last couple of years with the team of building back this business to full strength. But we're always going to be on the crawl for talent. We can find people who are attracted to our proposition, who can add value and revenue. We're going to be in that talent base. With regard to the
spk22: bias would be the bias would be slightly up in new hires. Then said how I should take the strategic, the opportunistic approach.
spk21: I think that I would anticipate that we are going to continue to be on the lookout for talent of the way we have right over the last several quarters. Right. We don't hire just for the sake of hiring. We hire for. Got it.
spk10: With
spk21: regard to our strategic client engagement, I think I look at it this way. We're trying to deliver best in class service to our client base. And that involves making sure we understand their risks better than anybody else. And that is a specialization. And then it's fulfilling their needs. Right. There's client engagement, which is equally important. So I view this as and not a but.
spk20: And one of the primary focuses of the strategic client engagement concept is really going to be a focus on the industry verticals. But in particular, think about Fortune 1000 type clients where risk profiles may be more expensive and more complex than other organizations.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of your Ron Canal with Jeffrey. Your line is open.
spk16: Thank you. Good morning, everybody. I guess my first question actually goes back to Elise's question earlier in the call. When we see guidance and we see some of the underlying pieces move a bit, namely where we're seeing higher expectation of cost saves from restructuring. And at the same time, we see the EPS and margin guidance essentially remain unchanged. I just want to make sure and again, going back to Elise's question, is there a degree of conservatism in there? Or are you seeing some offsets potentially that are keeping you at the kind of the unchanged EPS guidance?
spk20: Yeah, I think it's probably a little bit of both there. You know, we are, you know, want to make sure that we are focused on delivering in our commitments for 2024. And, you know, we talked about some of the puts and takes that we expect to play through through 2024 as well.
spk16: OK. And can you maybe elaborate a little bit on what the variables would be that would get you to the upper end versus the lower end of that guidance? What would be the main variables that you foresee today are?
spk20: I think the biggest driver there is going to be organic growth, right? That that'll drive incremental operating leverage above maybe what our current expectations might be. So I think that will be the biggest the biggest factor there.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Mark McCone with Bear. Your line is open.
spk15: Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Two questions. First, on the specialty lines, you said you're basically generating to extra growth of the general lines.
spk27: So
spk15: to what extent or how long do you think you can keep up that higher level of growth on the specialty lines? In other words, are they still relatively new in the market? And this is truly differentiated and this can enable you to continue to gain a lot of share? Or did we have a boost because of the talent additions and things will settle out? So how should we think about that from a longer term perspective?
spk21: So part of this is strategic, right? And that's where we are continuing to invest and we see a return there. We've been a specialist broker for nearly 200 years. So I would argue that it's not likely to play itself out over the next couple. We've been doing this very successful for a very long time. The differentiator for us, remember, is that we're actually organizing the business around this as opposed to on the side of someone's desk. And that enables us to focus on delivering enhanced value through superior analytics and client engagement that we think has a very attractive proposition. We don't see that abating.
spk15: Great. And then can you just talk a little bit about the pension and retirement business? You know, how much of a boost could we end up getting with the change in rates and the ability to de-risk? And then to what extent are you getting any additional engagements just in terms of the news that IBM made with regards to their shift in policy?
spk21: So, I mean, we do see the macroeconomic environment and where the funded position of pension plans are as stimulating demand for buy-ins and buy-outs, as we've talked about, and not just necessarily transacting on them, but the analysis that goes into them and the preparation so that we do think that is helpful for us and our clients going into 2024.
spk18: And
spk20: some of that will be episodic, right, as clients take on de-risking transactions. So it's not going to be any one pattern throughout the year. Yeah, and
spk21: with respect to the client you're alluding to who has reopened their defined benefit plan, there's interest out there at least examining this on behalf of other plan sponsors who
spk13: may be
spk21: similarly situated
spk09: and
spk21: who
spk09: are well poised and well positioned to help clients with that evaluation.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Maya Shields with Keith Brett and Woods. Your line is open.
spk07: Great, thanks. Two quick questions. First, Kyle, you talked about having 12 verticals,
spk20: and
spk07: I was hoping you could
spk20: sort of outline how much of the Fortune 1000 that 12 verticals represent.
spk18: So I don't think that maps quite right.
spk21: For instance, one of our industry verticals focuses around alternative capital, which is private equity, right? So this isn't necessarily a public equity strategy, nor is it confined to the large market. We see the industry verticals stretch down to smaller organizations as well. So the answer is there's significant coverage across corporate America with our industry verticals. Some of them are quite broad and some of them are quite focused on areas where we think we can deliver
spk26: particular
spk21: value, say hospitality.
spk20: Okay, fair enough.
spk22: Second,
spk20: and I'm not really sure how to ask this question, but you talked about how Adams brought back the staffing to full levels. Did we see full productivity from that group overall in either the fourth quarter of 2023 or over the course of 2023? Is there still some momentum for this newest cadre to expand productivity or expand margin?
spk18: Very much the latter. We do see, while we're very happy
spk21: with the progress that both our existing colleagues and our newer colleagues have made, we do see increased productivity as being part of the picture for our last cohort of hires. Yes.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Josh Shanker with Bank of America. Your line is open. Thank
spk32: you very much for putting me on the end. I just want to go back to a question Greg was asking at the beginning about the difference in the growth rates of the various segments. In aggregate, the growth seems pretty orderly, but by segment, there seems to be a lot of volatility. Should we expect in the coming quarters that the segment organic growth rate will be volatile? Is that the right way to think about how your business operates? Or should we expect there to be a general run rate where there's a trend from the previous quarter that might influence the next quarter?
spk20: I think you're asking about sequential growth rates. Parts of our business are seasonal. We do have timing things which play out periodically between quarters year to year. So that is something to keep in mind. That is why we tend to focus on full year growth rates for our businesses.
spk32: Does the seasonality shown in 2023 represent a seasonality that we should consider in the 2024 year? For the most part,
spk20: I think throughout the year we did call out a couple of unusual things. For example, the timing of BDO between Q4 and Q3 revenue. I think there were a couple of other things throughout the year. For the most part, you have to think about the impact of the book sales where we had some swings in some of the quarters where there were larger amounts of those. Expect to be through that largely going forward.
spk30: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Mike Ward with Citi. Yolana Sulton.
spk14: Hey guys. Thanks. Good morning. I was just curious. The margin guide relatively consistent, but you've spoken to some incremental savings. So just wondering if we should think about those savings maybe being offset by some costs. Could that actually benefit 2025 margins? Yes. As I
spk20: had mentioned, with regard to the 24 margin target, we do expect to be toward the higher end of that range. There's obviously some benefits from incremental savings that we talked about. And the investments that we're making are really for future growth opportunities, but also will help us unlock additional operating leverage opportunities in the future. So we do think there will be continual tailwinds beyond 2024 for some of the investments we're making now this year.
spk14: Okay, thanks. And then you spoke into some of the book gains in the quarter. Wondering if you could talk about where attrition is running. If 2024 is kind of a normal year, just curious how much of a headwind we should expect this year for book gains.
spk24: No, we
spk20: expect
spk24: to
spk20: return back towards our historical normal levels. So we don't expect any significant headwinds or tailwinds from book gains going forward.
spk21: I would just add sort of thinking about attrition at the overall level for the company. We are back down to well within the range we've had historically. So a very
spk09: manageable situation for
spk30: us. Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Murdith with UBS. Your line is open.
spk08: Yes, thank you, Fitme and Carl. I'm just curious on the 10% organic growth you had for the year in R&B, you mentioned that it was new business and it was retention. Is there a way to kind of parse that out and how much of the kind of growth was client retention? Are you back to kind of your historical client retention levels or is there more room for that to improve? We are back,
spk21: which is great to see, and that is the result of superior client service. I thank that on behalf of many, many, many colleagues. I do not want to rest on our laurels, but it's very nice to be where we are. Our performance in new business has been just really first rate and very proud of the effort the team has made of representing what we can do at WGW.
spk08: Great, thank you. And then the second question, I'm just curious with your 2024 outlook, what is the baseline assumption with respect to economic growth and inflation as you kind of look out? Do you expect things to continue the way they are, any type of change?
spk21: I think continue the way they are, not looking too far back in the mirror on that one. We're not sort of anticipating incredible economic dislocation, nor are we sort of looking toward incredible geopolitical dislocation, but we do recognize there's a lot of volatility out there. That is not necessarily great for our clients, but it does mean that there's more opportunities for us to help them manage that volatility.
spk30: Thank you. I'm showing no further questions in the queue. I would now like to turn the call back over to Carl Hess for closing remarks.
spk21: So thank you all again for joining us. I appreciate all of our WTW colleagues globally who have worked tirelessly to help us end the year on such a strong note. I am proud of everything we've achieved in 2023. I look forward to us keeping up the momentum in 2024.
spk30: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
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