11/12/2024

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Operator
Conference Operator

Good afternoon and welcome to TerraWolf's third quarter 2024 earnings call. At this time all participants are in listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star then zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, John Larkin, Senior Vice President, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

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John Larkin
Senior Vice President, Director of Investor Relations

Thank you, Operator. Good afternoon and welcome to TerraWolf's third quarter earnings call. Joining me today are Chairman and CEO Paul Prager and CFO Patrick Fleury. Before we get started, please note that our remarks today may include forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and actual results may differ materially. During this call, we may use words like anticipate, could, enable, estimate, intend, expect, believe, potential, will, should, project, and similar expressions which indicate forward-looking statements. For a more comprehensive discussion of these and other risks, please refer to our filings with the SEC available on sec.gov and in the investor section of our website at terrawolf.com. We will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures today. Please refer to our 10-K and 10-Q filings and our website for full reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP measures. You can also find our updated investor deck on our website We will start with prepared remarks from Paul and Patrick, followed by a Q&A session. I'll now turn the call over to Paul Prager, our CEO.

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Paul Prager
Chairman and CEO

Thank you, John, and good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate your joining us today as we discuss our third quarter results. For those new to TerraWolf, we are a leading energy and digital infrastructure company focused on utilizing predominantly zero carbon energy to power our operations. Our management team has over 30 years of experience in energy infrastructure, with a proven track record in financing, designing, building, and operating power and power infrastructure projects. Our flagship Lake Marana facility, located in upstate New York Zone A, is a prime example of a strategy in action. We're situated only 35 miles from Niagara Falls, in a region where over 90% of the energy comes from zero carbon resources. This strategic location, combined with our access to scalable infrastructure and power, abundant land, and reliable water resources, positions us uniquely in the market. We believe this focus on clean, cost-effective energy bodes well for the future. As we look ahead, we're confident in our approach. We see the industry increasingly aligning with our core strengths, namely low-cost sustainable energy, and a commitment to operational excellence. The steps we took this quarter have set a strong foundation as we head into what we believe will be a pivotal year in 2025. Let's talk about what we accomplished in the third quarter. We've been hard at work making substantial progress across our strategic, financial, and operational priorities. To start, I want to highlight a major strategic transaction. In early October, we sold our 25% stake in the Nautilus CryptoMine joint venture to Talent Energy. The transaction, valued at $92 million, delivered a 3.4 times return on our investment. More importantly, this sale has streamlined our operations and gives us the flexibility to focus on expanding our high-performance computing capabilities at Lake Mariner. It's a win-win that sets the stage for what's next. Building on that momentum, we also secured a new long-term ground lease at Lake Mariner. This isn't just a simple lease extension. It's a game changer. We increased our total acreage by nearly 50% from 107 to 157 acres, without any additional cost per acre. And crucially, we now have exclusive rights to up to 750 megawatts of infrastructure capacity and power, which positions us well to attract top-tier, high-speed compute clients looking for scale and reliability, and it's with us now. On the financial side, we had a strong quarter as well. In July, we cleared out legacy debt freeing up capital that we're now deploying into our Wolf compute business. This critical milestone comes at a perfect time as we gear for a significant expansion into the high-speed compute market in 2025. I'd also like to highlight a recent capital raise. In October, we successfully raised $500 million through an oversubscribed convertible bond offering. This influx of capital gives us the flexibility we needed to continue investing in both our Bitcoin mining operations and our growing HPC initiatives. Timing is everything, and this capital positions us well to meet the demands of new tenants who need immediate access to power. We also took steps to return value to our shareholders. Our board approved a $200 million stock buyback program, and we've already repurchased $115 million worth of shares. We paired this with a capped call transaction in the convertible offering to protect against dilution up to a share price of $18.40, underscoring our commitment to driving shareholder value. Operationally, we held our ground despite some tough market conditions, especially following the Bitcoin halving. Our cost to mine came in at approximately $54,000 per Bitcoin in the third quarter, keeping us among the industry's lowest cost producers. This level of efficiency is a key part of our strategy, something we're continually focusing on improving. We're also excited about the upgrades underway in our mining fleet. We've ordered the latest Bitmain S21 Pro miners, which are set to arrive through early Q1 2025. These state-of-the-art machines will boost our efficiency and take our fleet performance to the next level. On the high-speed compute hosting front, we're making steady progress with the construction of our new HPC facilities. We've completed construction of our 2.5 megawatt proof-of-concept project in the third quarter, and the 20 megawatt CB1 and 50 megawatt CB2 data centers are on schedule to be up and running in Q1 and Q2 of next year, respectively. We're in advanced discussions with potential tenants and expect to announce our first HVC hosting partner before the end of the year. Looking ahead, we're doubling down on our core strategy. By locating our operations in regions with abundant, low-cost, predominantly zero-carbon power, we're positioned to thrive in a market where securing clean energy is becoming increasingly challenging. The recent regulatory shifts around data centers at nuclear power plants have underscored just how tough it can be to lock down large-scale carbon-free power. This is why our Lake Marana facility, with its direct grid connection and robust energy infrastructure, is peerless. We believe our energy assets are second to none, and we're laser-focused on leveraging these strengths to continue delivering value for our shareholders. I'll now turn it over to Patrick Fleury, who will walk you through the financials in more detail. Patrick.

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Patrick Fleury
Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Paul. As Paul stated, the third quarter and beginning of the fourth quarter was a busy time for Wolf with strong financial results, even in a challenging business environment following the Bitcoin reward halving in April. In the third quarter of 2024, we self-mined 442 Bitcoin at Lake Mariner, and our net share of Bitcoin mined at Nautilus was 113, for a total of 555 Bitcoin, or about 6 Bitcoin per day, a 21% decrease over the 699 Bitcoin mined in QQ24. Our gap revenues were down 24% quarter over quarter at 27.1 million in 3Q24 from 35.6 million in 2Q24. Our value per Bitcoin self-mined this quarter, a non-gap metric that includes Bitcoin mined at Nautilus, averaged 61,075 per Bitcoin. For a total of $33.9 million, as detailed and defined in our monthly operating reports, press releases, and MD&A section of our 10-Q. As a reminder, there is a key difference between our GAAP financials and the monthly operating reports and 2024 guidance. Due to our 25% historical ownership in Nautilus, the revenue, cost of revenue, operating expenses, depreciation and amortization at Nautilus are not consolidated into our GAAP financial statement. Instead, the financial impact of the Nautilus joint venture is reflected in the equity in net income or loss of investee net of tax line item on the GAAP income statement. This is the last quarter I'll mention the difference as we sold our 25% ownership in Nautilus for $85 million in cash effective October 2nd, 2024. Our gap cost of revenue, exclusive of depreciation, for 3Q24 was $14.7 million, a 5% increase over $13.9 million in 2Q24. The quarter-over-quarter increase was due to a slight increase in realized power prices offset by demand response proceeds of $4.1 million in 3Q24 versus $1.9 million in 2Q24. Our power cost, or cost of energy per Bitcoin mined, a non-GAAP metric that includes Bitcoin mined at Nautilus, was $30,448 in 3Q24 compared to $22,954 in 2Q24. As a reminder, in our GAAP financials, unlike our monthly operating reports, the company records proceeds received and to be received for demand response programs as a reduction in cost of revenue. As previously mentioned, these expected proceeds totaled $4.1 million in 3Q24 and $1.9 million in 2Q24. For 3Q24, we achieved an average power cost of 3.8 cents per kilowatt hour compared to 3.7 cents in 2Q24. Operating expenses decreased 5% quarter over quarter from 1.7 million in 2Q24 to 1.6 million in 3Q24. SG&A expenses decreased 4% quarter over quarter from 11.9 million in 2Q24 to 11.5 million in 3Q24. Adjusting for stock-based compensation, SG&A increased 28% quarter over quarter from 7.1 million in 2Q24 to 9.1 million in 3Q24. For our updated 2024 guidance in our 2Q24 slides, with our entry into high-power compute hosting and need for more staff, we anticipate approximately 30 million of SG&A in 2024. Depreciation increased slightly quarter over quarter from 14.1 million in 2Q24 $15.6 million in 3Q24, which is the result of our continued infrastructure build-out. Gain on fair value of digital currency in 3Q24 was $0.9 million, whereas we incurred a loss of $0.7 million in 2Q24. Impairment of PP&E in 3Q24 was $0.4 million related to the expected sale of 1,200 minors for proceeds of 0.2 million. Gap interest expense in 3Q24 and 2Q24 was 0.4 million and 5.3 million respectively, which includes cash interest expense and amortization of debt issuance costs and debt discount related to the term loan financing. Cash interest paid during 3Q24 was only $0.7 million due to the full repayment of our debt on July 9th ahead of maturity. In connection with this voluntary prepayment of debt, the company incurred prepayment fees of $0.9 million, wrote off unamortized debt discount of $3.3 million associated with the principal repaid, and recorded a loss on extinguishment of debt of $4.3 million. Other income of $0.4 million in 3Q24 reflects interest earned on cash held in our commercial banking accounts. In 3Q24, we reported a loss of $2.7 million in equity of investee net of tax as compared to income of $0.8 million in 2Q24. These amounts represent Terrell's proportional share of net income or loss of the Nautilus Joint Venture. Our GAAP net loss attributable to common shareholders for the third quarter was 23.0 million compared to a net loss of 11.2 million in 2Q24. Our non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA for 3Q24 was 6.0 million compared to 19.5 million in 2Q24. Turning our attention to the balance sheet, as of September 30th, we held 24 million in cash, with total assets amounting to $405 million and total liabilities of $33 million. As disclosed on page 15 of our November investor deck, we achieved a marginal cost of production, including every cash cost in the company, of approximately $54,000 in 3Q24 and expect to achieve approximately $59,000 in 4Q24 and $47,000 in 1Q25. Regarding our anticipated operating performance in 4Q24, Lake Mariner will be taking a planned outage on minor buildings 1, 2, and 4, which will impact approximately 5.2 exahash of mining capacity for approximately one week commencing mid-November as we connect our ultra-high voltage redundant power feeds from the grid to support our high power compute data center infrastructure. The scope of the outage is focused on the high voltage connection and electrical infrastructure to enable delivery of redundant power supply to CB1 and CB2 in 1Q25 and 2Q25, respectively. On pages 12 and 13 of the November investor deck, you'll find our anticipated capital sources and uses bridge for 4Q24 and fiscal year 2025. Regarding our capital position and growth plans over this period, we are funded with over $380 million of unallocated excess cash in 2025. In October, we opportunistically executed a $500 million convertible financing utilizing $60 million of net proceeds to purchase a capped call and thereby neutralizing dilution from the offering until the stock price is 100% above the reference price of $640 per share which is $12.80 per share. We also simultaneously repurchased 115 million of common stock for approximately 18 million shares, the impact of which results in no effective dilution from the convertible off-rate until greater than $18 a share, a huge win for Wolf shareholders. As discussed on prior earnings calls, we are targeting a high-power compute customer contract with a one-year revenue prepay and expect to execute project financing for approximately 70% of the total project cost. In 4Q24 and into 2025, we expect the following approximate capital expenditures. Number one, $400 million on wolf compute and related electrical infrastructure and upgrades at the site, including CB1 and CB2, Both liquid-cooled, redundant, and high-power density infrastructure expected to be substantially complete in first half 25, bringing our high-power compute co-location hosting capacity to 72.5 megawatts. Number two, $23 million on construction of Building 5, a 50-megawatt Bitcoin mining building expected to be operational in 1Q25. And number three, $79 million on minor purchases for Building 5 and our fleet upgrade. At Wolf, our financial objectives remain clear and simple. Maximize profits, secure long-term high-quality customers and high-power compute hosting, and create value for our shareholders, all while providing investors access through transparency and accountability.

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John Larkin
Senior Vice President, Director of Investor Relations

With that, I'll turn it back over to the operator, and we look forward to answering your questions. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

At this time, we will be conducting a question-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star and then 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star and then 1 now. The first question that we have comes from Lucas Pipes of B Reilly Securities. Please go ahead.

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Lucas Pipes
Analyst, B. Riley Securities

Thank you very much, operator. Good afternoon, everyone. My first question is on slide 12. It shows the remaining spend at CB1. And I wondered how much of this capital has been spent to date on a gross dollar and dollar per megawatt hour basis, and how should we think about first half of 25 outlay with CB2 construction? Thank you very much.

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Patrick Fleury
Chief Financial Officer

Hey, Lucas, it's Patrick. Thanks for your question. So on CB1, just, you know, I guess maybe let's just start from the beginning. So the Wolf Den of 2.5 megawatts, that build cost was approximately $10 million. The build cost for CB1 total is about $100, right? So that's a 20-megawatt building, so about $5 million per megawatt to build. And then the build cost for CB2, which is 50 megawatt building, is call it 250 to 300. And so about, you know, five and a half-ish million per megawatt. And so, you know, as you can imagine, Wulff Den is operationally complete. CB1 is going to be complete operationally at the end of the first quarter. So that money is going out the door very quickly these days. And then CB2 will be operationally complete end of the second quarter. So there's a lot of capital moving out the door here over the next couple months.

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Lucas Pipes
Analyst, B. Riley Securities

Patrick, this is very helpful. Thank you. And in terms of the first customer expected by year end, I wondered if you could give us a sense for the magnitude in terms of megawatts. How should we think about contract structure and other multiple counterparties that you're in discussions with for an anchor position? We're having mostly narrowed down here to maybe one party.

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John Larkin
Senior Vice President, Director of Investor Relations

Thank you for any color. Paul, do you want to take that or would you like me to? Why don't you start?

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Patrick Fleury
Chief Financial Officer

So, Lucas, I think we will likely have one or two customers for the 72.5 megawatts. Those negotiations are very advanced. I think, as we've said publicly, we will not announce an LOI. LOIs are non-binding, and we will only announce a definitive lease agreement. As we've said repeatedly, as Paul said in his remarks, we expect an announcement before year end. And that, like I said, will cover all of our initial capacity through the first half of next year. And that will be one or two customers. Beyond that, I think we're being very careful. I mean, as we're all seeing, the market is incredibly dynamic, particularly with the FERC ruling from a couple weeks ago. And we may have that same customer or customers will most likely have options for additional capacity, but that will be options that have to be exercised by a date certain along with a one-year revenue prepay that comes simultaneous with the option. So the option will not be a free option. We're not in the business of given folks free options on Wolf Shareholder. So it'll be an option with a hard date, with a hard payment that will then allow us to go get that project financing because we'll have an actual lease. We'll have a one-year revenue prepay. And then obviously we're going to have existing buildings operating at the site. And as you know, it's always easier to get a project financing done when you can point to existing infrastructure that is operating. So that that's the intention. And like I said, I think we're just the scramble for power has only intensified since the FERC ruling. And so we just want to make sure that, you know, all of our future capacity megawatts that we get the best deal. So I think that's where we stand. Paul, do you want to add anything?

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Paul Prager
Chairman and CEO

No, I think that's right. And I think, you know, I would want to underscore what Patrick just said in closing, which is that as a result of the recent FERC ruling, it's not clear to us that one can't assume that there'll be better, more enhanced contract terms and values. So I don't think that we need to rush beyond the initial 72 megawatts. But of course, we're prepared to do that. with the right customer as long as contract terms are in the interest of our shareholders.

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Lucas Pipes
Analyst, B. Riley Securities

Paul, Patrick, this was very comprehensive. I really appreciate all the color, and to you and the entire team, continued best of luck. Thanks, Lucas.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. The next question we have comes from Mike Grundle of Northland Securities. Please go ahead.

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Mike Grundle
Analyst, Northland Securities

Hey guys, thank you. You know, Patrick and Paul, on the demand environment, you know, it sounds very robust and it sounds to be intensifying. Any sense you can give us just on maybe in the last 90 days, the benefit you've seen on the pricing side or the term side, how has it kind of changed? Any order of magnitude?

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Paul Prager
Chairman and CEO

I think there's some private deals that have been done. And I think pricing per kilowatt hour has increased on the margins. I think there were more parties prepared to meet the terms that Patrick outlined in response to Lucas. And there are There seems to be a greater interest to tie up as many megawatts as possible now with one party as opposed to sort of look for multiple sites. So I think the FERC ruling has resulted in higher value sites and targets are going to see higher values.

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Patrick Fleury
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Mike, I would just add to that too, right? I think we've been talking for a long time about how not all sites are created equal, right, and how our site is a retired coal plant, so we're blessed with a lot of critical electrical infrastructure at the site, along with access to land, water. And, you know, the FERC ruling really puts a point on that, right, because if you are in PJM or if you have, you know, behind the meter generation, then you have to deal with FERC. You know, at a site like ours, we don't. At sites in Texas, for example, because they're caught in electric islands, they don't. So I think what we're seeing is certainly even just post the ruling, sites that have access to a lot of power and land and water and are very sizable are sort of moving up in the pecking order and getting a lot more attention.

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Mike Grundle
Analyst, Northland Securities

Got it. And then, Patrick, to you, I think it was on the last conference call, you kind of began to outline how you guys were going to be able to do HPC without additional equity in terms of using the one-year prepayments and roughly 75% project financing. Do you feel even better about that today? You know, what have you kind of learned through that process the last 90 days?

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Patrick Fleury
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, look, I would say it's nice to not be on an island saying that, Mike. You know, I think if other people on this call, I'm sure listen to, you know, Novogratz on the Galaxy call talk about how project financing is readily available, right? And there's other peers of ours that are in that market now, too. So that market is getting much more developed. You know, as you know, We've always been saying that. You know, that's been our plan from day one. But it's nice to see that market get more robust. But, yeah, I mean, I think if you look on page 13 of our slide deck and, you know, we sort of go through painstaking detail on pages 12 and 13 to show you. But, you know, I hope page 13 hits people right on the forehead. I mean, we have a lot of unallocated cash. And so – If the market's not trading us at the right multiple, I think we've shown we've authorized the $200 million buyback. We bought back $115 million of stock. This management team, board, and insiders own about 30% of the equity of the company. So, yeah, I mean, we're well on our way now with the convert and no effective dilution under $18 a share. So, yeah, I mean, I'm really excited. I think for a long time, as you know, I've been talking about being the first Bitcoin miner to go the other way, to buy back stock or pay a dividend and start returning cash to shareholders. And I would just add, I think I am extremely proud of this team. You know, everyone from the site level folks that are operating to the management team that we have broken that ceiling and are the first one. And not only that, but you look at this quarter, we had a positive EBITDA quarter. I can name four or five of my peers that, you know, claim to be sort of industry leaders that are, quote, bigger and badder than we are, that all lost money on the EBITDA line mining Bitcoin this quarter. It's not a viable long-term business. And I get Bitcoin flying now. I get it. But you got to make money in your underlying business, and we do.

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Paul Prager
Chairman and CEO

Hey, Mike, just to get back to where the question started, though, I want to emphasize on the project finance side. it is readily available, but it is heavily credit dependent. So that is why the company has taken the time it has to sort of sift through all the customers to try and come up with what's the best possible determination from a credit and from contract terms so that we can enable that project financing. And so I think in the end, our investors will determine it was time well spent and but this is all about creating value for the shareholders and project finance of high-speed compute and AI is the way to do it.

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John Larkin
Senior Vice President, Director of Investor Relations

Thanks, guys.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. The next question we have comes from Brett Knobloch of Council Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.

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Brett Knobloch
Analyst, Council Fitzgerald

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe if we could start just on What you guys are currently expecting for the back half of next year? I'm going to say this knowing you guys still have a lot in your place with the 20 and 50 megawatt building. But should you want to start building called CB3? I would assume a lot of those long lead items will need to be ordered somewhat shortly. Should we be putting in anything for the back half of next year? Or how are you guys just thinking about that now?

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Patrick Fleury
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, look. Good question, Brett. I think we will provide 25 guidance, you know, when I think when we put our, file our 10K in February. But for now, you know, I would just say, you know, we have on page 17 what we're capable of delivering, but whether, you know, we do that will depend on our customers and how fast or slow they want to run. Because remember, it's not just you know, what can we deliver? I mean, we can deliver that capacity, but it's a function of, you know, where is our customer with NVIDIA? You know, where are they on their capital raise? Where are they with, you know, their end market demand? So there's a lot of different factors that go into sort of how fast or slow the customers want to put up capacity, but we can run as fast or as slow as they want. So I think, you know, page 17 shows what we're capable of doing, and I think we'll be able to provide you with more color once we announce the customer contract and then once we provide guidance in February.

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Brett Knobloch
Analyst, Council Fitzgerald

Okay. No, that's helpful. On the Wolf Den, what is the current game plan for using that given it is operational today? Is this something that could be generating revenue in the current quarter?

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Patrick Fleury
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, it's operational today, but what we've found is, and if you remember, initially, we were contemplating for a hot second to buy GPUs and put them in there ourselves. And what we quickly garnered is all of our customers want all of our capacity. And we don't have the same cost of capital as Amazon or Microsoft or Meta or Google or any of the hyperscalers. We don't want to be in the GPU as a service business. That's not what we know best. We know energy power infrastructure. And so, uh, we didn't want to be competing with our customer and they want all that capacity and the highest and best use of that. From a valuation perspective is to run it, you know, for, um, our customers. So that's what we'll be doing. And I think you'll see that capacity go to, uh, the customer customers that, that I referenced before.

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Brett Knobloch
Analyst, Council Fitzgerald

Thanks, Tom. Maybe just one more. I know you guys are currently eminently waiting another 250 megawatt approval from the utility. I guess any update on timing for that? And is that something that's needed before you can sign the customer contracts?

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Patrick Fleury
Chief Financial Officer

So, the short answer is no. The timing of that is end of fourth quarter, beginning of first quarter. And, you know, like I said, we expect that capacity when you're looking at what we're bringing online by the middle of next year. You know, we expect to be able to start pulling that energy the middle of next year.

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John Larkin
Senior Vice President, Director of Investor Relations

Perfect. Thanks. Really appreciate it, guys. Thanks, Matt.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. The next question we have comes from Darren Aftai of Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

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Dylan (for Darren Aftai)
Analyst, Roth Capital Partners

Hey, this is Dylan for Darren. Thanks for taking my questions. To start, when you look at some of the timelines on HPC, like how long is the delay between when you sort of finish the construction of these next two buildings and obviously you plan on announcing a customer by year end and when they can sort of get GPUs in there and start charging revenue?

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Patrick Fleury
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, so I think, and I apologize if I'm missing the question, I think what you're asking is, you know, we're completing, Dylan, you know, the Wolf Den is operational complete. CB1, the 20-megawatt building, will be operationally complete, you know, end of first quarter. So I think realistically, you know, and you can see this on page – on page – 13 of our deck, but the cash from operations, the cash flow from operations in 2025, we've assumed that CB1 and CB2 are operating for nine months and six months respectively, like revenue generating.

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John Larkin
Senior Vice President, Director of Investor Relations

Thanks.

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Dylan (for Darren Aftai)
Analyst, Roth Capital Partners

And then, I mean, considering the fleet upgrades you're doing on the 195 megawatts of Bitcoin mining, like, how do you think about the long-term economics of Bitcoin mining versus some of the negotiations you're having for HPC, especially if that might see more favorable contract terms for the next 100 megawatts or next 250 that you might have available long-term?

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Patrick Fleury
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, it's a great question. Look, I mean, we're power folks, so we think about everything on a dollar per megawatt hour, right? And if you think about the midpoint of, you know, our data on page 16, you know, that's roughly like $1.5 million of revenue per megawatt is roughly equivalent to $150 a megawatt hour. And so... You know, that's like we're saying 70% margin business. So you're making a margin of about, you know, 100 bucks a megawatt hour. And so, you know, depending upon what type of miner you're mining with today, right, you can back into, you know, what your profit is on a dollar per megawatt hour basis. And I think the tough part about that, right, is people tend to look at Bitcoin in isolation, but you can't do that. You have to look at network hash rate as well. Right. Which is why I think when you go look at, you know, whether people made money this quarter or not, a lot of our peers didn't make money. And that's it's not just, you know, you need Bitcoin price to increase at a higher rate than network hash rate. And so I think that question is tough to answer, just given the volatility of Bitcoin price and network hash rates. But look, I think what we've said, certainly the next 500 megawatts of expansion for us is in high power compute and AI. And that will probably coincide with the next halving. So we've got plenty of running room and then time to decide whether we keep mining Bitcoin or not. But we've got plenty of time to play that out.

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Dylan (for Darren Aftai)
Analyst, Roth Capital Partners

Great. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. The next question we have comes from Joe Flynn of Compass Point Research and Trading. Please go ahead.

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Joe Flynn
Analyst, Compass Point Research & Trading

Hi. Thanks for the question. And to piggyback off an earlier question, following the 250 megawatts of New York ISO approvals, how early do you expect to be in the queue to request the additional 250? And then it also looks like the Cayuga Lake requests have already been submitted. So if there's any color you could add there, that would be very helpful.

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John Larkin
Senior Vice President, Director of Investor Relations

Yeah, Paul, I'll take that. Then maybe you can add some color.

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Patrick Fleury
Chief Financial Officer

So, hey, Joe. So the short answer is, you know, that getting in the queue for the next 250 will depend upon, again, how fast or slow our customers want to run with expansion. But that's a process that we're very familiar with at this point. And, you know, so I just – I don't know is the short answer yet, but if I had to guess, my guess would be probably at some point next year, we start that process again. Whether it's first half or second half, I'm not sure. It's just going to depend on the cadence of the build-out. And then with regard to Cayuga, look, it's a great asset, similar to Lake Mariner. It is owned in a private company. But I don't know, Paul, if there's any other color you want to add.

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Paul Prager
Chairman and CEO

And Cayuga started this process to ensure that at some point it can meet the needs of a company like Terawolf. And if that's something that Terawolf and their customers and shareholders think are in the best interests of our shareholders, then there'll be a process, an independent committee of the board and valuations and Contract terms were used by independent counsel for the independent committee and all that sort of good stuff. But Cayuga's not sleeping and they're doing what they need to do because time to power is the most critical thing for TerraWolf's customers and TerraWolf wants to ensure that they can meet those needs by both the assets we currently have and the assets that we're looking at as part of our development pipeline.

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Joe Flynn
Analyst, Compass Point Research & Trading

Great. I appreciate the color. And then, Patrick, on figure 13, you talked about the $387 million of unallocated cash following the prepay and project financing. Do you see an opportunity to be kind of opportunistic with the remaining buyback there and just go forward? Do you expect the process of adding additional megawatts to be a CapEx component that you guys are going to take care of up front, or do you think the remaining kind of call it $250 would be primarily project finance?

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Patrick Fleury
Chief Financial Officer

burst and then you know could lead to additional shareholder return opportunities yeah great question joe so we're going to try in the future but i mean i guess as i look at next year i think what we'll probably do is middle of the year we'll take ourselves out of effectively equity funding wolfden cb1 and cb2 so that's you know on page 13 or sorry on page um Yeah, sorry, on page 13, that's the big blue $260 million project financing bar. So that's financing those three buildings. For the future going forward, like I said, as customers execute options for additional capacity, the way we're setting that up is, you know, At the time of the execution of the option, they're required to make a one-year revenue prepay, which will allow me to go do the project financing up front so I won't have to equity fund it. So that would mean, you know, that full $387 million is fully, you know, unallocated and available.

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John Larkin
Senior Vice President, Director of Investor Relations

That's the goal. Great. Thanks. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

The next question we have comes from Brian Dodson of Clear Streets. Please go ahead.

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Brian Dodson
Analyst, Clear Streets

Thanks very much for taking my question. So your comments regarding continuing progress toward an HPC contract this year, very encouraging. You know, you mentioned that you were in advanced discussions. Were those parties able to view your Wolf Den proof of concept facility and what was their feedback, if any?

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Paul Prager
Chairman and CEO

Hi, this is Paul. The customers that we have engaged with in advanced discussions have all been to the site, have all seen what we've done there, and have had advanced discussions on the operation and construction level with members of TerraWolf. To be honest, they were uniformly pleased with what we've got there. It was a difference, I think, with one of the customers. You know, it's all about where they want to put the cooling. Do they want to put it in the rack? Do they want to put it in the building? So that drives cost. So that led to more discussions. But people were really, they loved the site and they wanted as much of it as they could.

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Brian Dodson
Analyst, Clear Streets

Great. Thanks, Collin. And I guess as a second question, you know, there's been obviously a lot of discussion in the industry regarding the recent election and administration change in Washington. Is there anything that you'd like to add to that discussion? And what do you think clearer regulation could do for the industry over the next several years?

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Paul Prager
Chairman and CEO

Sure. I'll start if that's okay, Patrick. You know, listen, I think the election... You know, we want to think about it in two ways. The first, going back to the question just asked about Patrick about, you know, three and a half years, you know, post having, how do we think about, you know, Bitcoin mining versus using those megawatts that are currently allocated to Bitcoin mining to high power compute? And the answer is, you know, we still have plenty of runway, as Patrick said, before we have to make that conclusion. For the meantime, Bitcoin is, you know, really performing very well. And we'll just have to see where Bitcoin goes as we think about it. But again, the higher the price, the higher the hash rate, the higher expense it is to buy machines out of Bitmain. So I think there are other, you know, questions that we'll want to consider at the time. You know, I think we'll see a different valuation in the marketplace for a true HPCAI company as opposed to a company that also has Bitcoin mining. Though now, under a new administration, investment in Bitcoin miners may be perceived differently by both investors, banks, stuff like that. From a regulation perspective, listen, the last time President Trump was in office, There was a difference in the regulatory bodies and the time it took to get things done in the real estate and power side. We're energy infrastructure folks here, and we welcome regulation when it's sensible. When it becomes a way to sort of just put up roadblock after roadblock, it's kind of a bummer. So I think that we'll see a clean a cleaner regulatory environment that will enable quality energy infrastructure projects to get up and running with greater agility and maybe with a little less operating burden. But I think the important elements of regulation, like, you know, with respect to the environment, they'll stay because it's in the best interests of everybody. And it's why we've stayed focused on locating our facilities where there was 91% green energy as our resource. So I look forward. Certain things just won't change, though. It's still going to take four years to develop a new gas facility, right? And nuke is a ways off. The time to power is everything right now for the customers that we're speaking to. So, you know, regulation is only part of the puzzle in terms of meeting the need for energy infrastructure.

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Brian Dodson
Analyst, Clear Streets

Yeah, very good. Thanks very much.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. The next question we have comes from John Todaro of Needham & Company. Please go ahead.

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John Todaro
Analyst, Needham & Company

Hey, guys. Two questions for you around basically the lease that's coming up. First off, that slide that you've referenced where I think it's 1.3 to 1.8 million per megawatt in the economics, I believe you've had that for a while. So just wondering if, given the demand we're hearing from you and peers, is there potential to kind of walk that up? And then second, kind of the key economics around this lease, already agreed to? What are the kind of the sticking points? If there are any, are we kind of in the home stretch? Just trying to get a little bit sense of timing around that.

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Patrick Fleury
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, I'll address that first. So, John, on page 16, you know, we've had this deck, this page in our deck since May. We did make some small tweaks to it. You'll notice if you look carefully, but anything that we didn't tweak means we didn't tweak it. So it exists on page 16 in its full glory, and then I'm not going to answer any of the second part of your question due to material nonpublic information concerns.

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John Todaro
Analyst, Needham & Company

But you guys are still, I guess, expecting kind of before year end, and is there just kind of a degree of confidence we can get around that?

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Paul Prager
Chairman and CEO

Yeah, we're going to have a customer announced prior to year end, and it will be in the form of a full-blown agreement. And I would tell you that terms and all that's fungible. But again, our focus is on a fantastic quality credit that will enable us to go out and project finance CB1 and CB2. And so... And so while there may be a ton more people looking for power, I think we're limiting our focus to the customers that we think are real thoughtful, we think could provide the requisite guarantees, we think would be known to the market or quickly can educate the market as to their financial credibility, and they could meet the potential scalability of our site because while we may be able to have multiple customers on site, I think from a scale perspective and just in building the relationship with a data center customer, it'd be ideal if we could work with a couple, maybe two or three and not more. I could take an easy shot here and tell you anytime you have lawyers involved, Things take longer than you hope, but we have lawyers involved, and we will have a customer by your end.

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John Larkin
Senior Vice President, Director of Investor Relations

Got it?

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Paul Prager
Chairman and CEO

Great. Well, thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. The next question we have comes from Kevin Cassidy of Rosenblatt Securities. Please go ahead.

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Kevin Cassidy
Analyst, Rosenblatt Securities

Yes, thanks for taking my question. And just for clarity, the redundant power that you're bringing in, is that only for the co-location areas?

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Patrick Fleury
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, so, Kevin, I'm going to answer that question, and then I'm going to double back with my operations team and make sure I got it right, but I'm fairly certain I do, which is the site, yeah, right now we have redundant power, I believe, for all 250 megawatts, but as the site expands, that redundant power, I think, will likely remain redundant. principally focused on the high power compute hosting building. We don't need necessarily redundant power for Bitcoin mining. I mean, our site has literally only gone dark once in the last 45 years in 2003 in the great blackout. So I'm not overly concerned about redundant power at the Bitcoin mining facilities, but most certainly our high power compute customers are, which is understandable. So the redundant power will be principally focused on those operations.

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Paul Prager
Chairman and CEO

And please remember that the principals both on site and in management here at Terrell Wolf operated that as a power plant for a real long time prior to shutting down and mitigating in a deal with the state. So we're pretty familiar with how that site works and And again, we think Bitcoin is a really flexible load. High-speed compute and AI is not, and our customers don't want to be as flexible, though they're willing to be far more flexible than I think the data centers of old. So we'll have that redundancy there for them.

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Kevin Cassidy
Analyst, Rosenblatt Securities

Okay, great. Thanks for clearing that up. And then also, when you sold Nautilus, you got a lot of mining machines Are those being installed at Lake Mariner or are you going to sell those?

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Patrick Fleury
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, so both is the short answer, Kevin. So I think in our deck we put on page seven. So we did sell the majority of the miners from Cumulus for about $10.5 million. That's been realized and sold. And then we did change out some of the XPs. And you can see the sort of movement on page eight of our deck, like what we took out, what we installed. But we just are trying to get a more efficient fleet. So the miners that were more efficient, we took. The miners that were less efficient, we sold and monetized for cash.

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John Larkin
Senior Vice President, Director of Investor Relations

Okay, great. Thanks.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. The final question we have comes from Bull Papa Nastasio of Stifle. Please go ahead.

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Papa Nastasio
Analyst, Stifel

Yeah, good evening, gentlemen, and thanks for taking my questions. Patrick, I appreciate the comparative analysis that you provided between Bitcoin mining economics and the core scientific deal. Curious if you can share some general thoughts on how demand for power capacity has trended as your discussions with the hyperscaler have become more and more advanced. How sustainable is this level of demand for power that's set to come online in 2026 and onwards? Can the engine keep running at the same cadence? I hope you can provide some further advice.

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Paul Prager
Chairman and CEO

Yeah. Paul, do you want me to take that or do you want to take it? I'm happy to. I mean, listen, there's significant growth expected. You know, McKinsey said data center demand would triple by 2030. driven predominantly by the high-speed computer workloads, which are projected to grow from 40 to over 70% of our total power capacity by 2030. I mean, historically, power demand has grown at 1% per year. I'm now seeing 5% annual growth. This highlights, if anything, the growing scarcity of power. I'm not, you know, as I said earlier, gas plants, four years, four years, if you think about it today and you're ready to roll. Nukes, long ways off. So I think that the demand is real. I think it's the beginning, not the end. I think it's the tip of the iceberg, if you will, particularly as the enterprise customers choose to come online. So I think TerraWolf is very well positioned because of the site we have. and the experience of the team as energy infrastructure developers. I'm very constructive with respect to TerraWolf in this power-hungry environment.

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John Larkin
Senior Vice President, Director of Investor Relations

Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back to Paul Prager for closing comments. Please go ahead, sir.

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Paul Prager
Chairman and CEO

Sure. Thank you, operator. Before we close today's call, I just want to leave you all with a few final thoughts. TerraWolf is clearly leading the charge with top-tier assets, industry-best unit economics, and unrivaled skill ability in our owned infrastructure. As a significant shareholder myself, I am fully aligned with our commitment to accretive growth and maximizing value for our shareholders. We are optimistic about what lies ahead. We're confident in our strategy to deliver sustainable growth. I thank you all for participating this evening and for your continued trust.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that then concludes today's conference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.

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