Ameris Bancorp

Good morning and welcome to the Ameris Bank first quarter conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Nicole Stokes, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you, Andrea. And thank you to all who have joined our call today. During the call, we will be referencing the press release and the financial highlights that are available on the investor relations section of our website at AmerisBank.com. I'm joined today by Palmer Proctor, our CEO, and John Edwards, our Chief Credit Officer. Palmer will begin with some opening general comments, and then I'm going to discuss the details of our financial results before we open it up for Q&A. Before we begin, I'll remind you that our comments may include forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, and the actual results could vary materially. We list some of the factors that might cause results to differ in our press release and in our SEC filings, which are available on our website. We do not assume any obligation to update any forward-looking statement as a result of new information, early developments, or otherwise, except as required by law. Also, during the call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures in reference to the company's performance. You can see our reconciliation of these measures and GAAP financial measures in the appendix to our presentation. And with that, I'll turn it over to you, Palmer, for opening comments.

Thank you, Nicole, and good morning to everyone who's joined our call today. It's hard to believe that this time last year we sat on this call with a lot of uncertainty about the pandemic and the economy. But one thing I was certain about at that time was the ability of our team to survive really whatever the pandemic threw at us. And here we sit a year later and I'm proud to say not only did we survive, but we actually thrived. We've said consistently that we are focused on tangible book value growth to grow shareholder value. On the past year from March 2020, to March 2021, we increased our tangible book value by over 23.6%. We increased our TTE ratio by 4%, while assets grew over 17.5%, and we increased our allowance for loan losses by over 19%. In addition, we increased our diluted earnings per share 29% year-over-year from core operating results, and that's exclusive of provision noise. That's just pure core operating results. This type of success is due to the disciplined culture we've cultivated here at Ameris Bank. And having said that, in my preview, I'm really excited to share with you a few highlights of the quarter and an update on our outlook for the future. For the quarter, we earned $115.7 million, or $1.66 per diluted share on an adjusted basis, which is up almost 200% from this time last year. This represents of 226 return on average assets and a 27.66% return on tangible equity. Our adjusted efficiency ratio improved from 59.87% reported first quarter last year to 54.62% this quarter. Due to improved economic conditions, we did reverse $28.6 million of provision for loan loss expense this quarter, and we realized a recovery of $10.6 million of previous service asset impairments. Exclusive of these positive events, our adjusted diluted EPS still exceeded expectations at $1.34 per share for the quarter. Nicole is going to get into more of the financial details in just a few minutes. On the balance sheet side of things, I was really pleased with our loan growth for the first quarter. Our annualized net loan growth was just over 3%, and that's after the PPP and our indirect runoff headwinds. We still expect to see mid to upper single-digit loan growth for the year as we look at our pipelines and opportunities within our markets. We continue to see strong deposit growth this quarter, and our non-interest-bearing deposits are now over 38% of total deposits. I already touched on capital from a year-over-year perspective, but just for the quarter, we saw great growth in TCE and tangible book value. During the first quarter, we grew tangible book value by $1.58 per share. for 6.7%, which is very strong. Our TCE ratio increased to 8.62%, which is getting very close to our 9% goal. Our capital position remains strong and is going to continue to support our future growth in opportunistic transactions. And while we do have a share repurchase program in place, we didn't buy anything back in the first quarter, and we really don't anticipate executing on this in the near future, but certainly like having the option to repurchase our shares at the right opportunity John Edwards, our Chief Credit Officer, is with us today and he's certainly available to take any credit questions after our prepared remarks, but I did want to hit a few high points in terms of credit. Our annualized net charge-off ratio decreased to 12 basis points of total loans compared to 70 basis points last quarter. Our non-performing assets as a percent of total assets improved to 40 basis points compared to 48 basis points last quarter. loans that remain on deferral at the end of the quarter for approximately 2% of total loans. And that's down from approximately 19% of total loans at the end of the second quarter of 2020. As you know, we have no exposure to oil and gas, and we've included additional details on our hotel exposure in the loan slides in our investor presentation, as well as the diversification that you'll see across all our loan types in the loan portfolio. and our allowance coverage ratio, excluding unfunded commitments, was 1.29% net of our PPP loans at the end of the quarter. Just a quick update on COVID and PPP. During the first quarter, we opened all of our retail branches and lobbies and business and traffic, I might add, is really picking up, especially in the southeast. Vaccines are available to everyone over the age of 16 and they're easy to get. Most of the businesses that we're seeing are back open, and we're even seeing new restaurants, for instance, coming in and taking over locations that were shuttered last year in the pandemic. So things definitely seem incrementally moving back to business around the southeast, and we're just really fortunate to have a strong presence in many of these top growth markets. As far as PPP, we received payments and forgiveness of approximately $638 million on PPP Round 1 loans. leading the outstanding balance of the 2020 rounds at $463 million. And we have the new round three outstanding balance at $329 million as of March 31st with about another $42 million funded so far this month in April. We anticipate opening the forgiveness portal for the new round three in the next few weeks. So far we've received over 5,600 applications. Our average loan size request has been around $73,000, with the second request averaging around $103,000. And new participants, our first time request averaging around $21,000. So this is a much smaller average balance than we saw in round one, but it's helped increase the overall return. And that's a great lead in into the last thing I wanted to touch on, and that's ESG. During the PPP process, Ameris had a specific outreach to our certain underserved communities and it was a great success and that's just one example of how we've been working diligently on our ESG initiatives. In March of 2020 we established our first chief governance officer role and then shortly thereafter announced our first diversity officer, Carlene Gordon. We have a management level ESG committee and that meets regularly and we report to the We're actually preparing our first Corporate Social Responsibility Report, or CSR, as they call it. We hope to have that out in public at the near end of the second quarter so we can share that with all our investors to show them everything we're doing on that front. But I'll stop there now and turn it over to Nicole to discuss our financial results.

Great. Thank you, Palmer. As you stated, for the first quarter, we earned a record $125 million, or $1.79 per diluted share. We reversed $28.6 million of provision for credit loss expense during the quarter due to those improving economic conditions. On an adjusted basis, we earned $115.7 million or $1.66 for a diluted share when you excluded the recovery on the servicing asset impairment, the gain on BOLI, and also the gain on sale of premise. So because there's been so much volatility in the provision, I thought I'd mention some pre-tax, pre-provision adjusted numbers. where we earned $122.6 million for the quarter compared to $89.4 million first quarter of last year. Again, kind of taking out that provision noise. That represents a 37% increase year over year from true core operating performance. And that's a direct result of the culture of discipline and focus that we've been talking about since the Fidelity acquisition. Our adjusted return on assets in the first quarter was $2.26 million. which was an increase from the 204 reported last quarter and the 87 basis points reported this time last year. Our adjusted return on tangible common equity was 27.66 compared to 2504 last quarter and 1098 first quarter last year. Those increases in these ratios are due to the reverse provision for credit loss expense described above. However, excluding the reversal of provision and the MSR recovery, Our core ROA was still very robust at a 183 for the quarter. As Palmer mentioned, tangible book value we've remained focused on. That increased by $1.58 or 6.7% for the quarter from 2369 to 2527. For the year over the year, we increased that by $4.83 or 23.6% from the 2044 that it was this time last year. In addition, Our tangible common equity ratio increased 15 basis points to 862 from 847 at the end of the year. The PPP loans and approximately $2 billion of excess liquidity in our balance sheet negatively impacted this ratio by 129 basis points. So excluding the PPP loans and the excess cash from total assets, our TCE ratio would have been approximately 9.9 at quarter end, which is well above our stated target of 9%. Having said that, you can see that we continue to be well capitalized and we feel comfortable with our capital and our dividend levels. Moving on to margin, as expected, our net interest margin declined by seven basis points from 364 to 357 during the quarter. Our yield on earning assets declined by 13 basis points, while our total funding cost decreased six basis points, but our total interest-bearing deposit cost decreased nine basis points. The approximate $2 billion of excess liquidity in our balance sheet negatively affected our margin by 24 basis points. Those 24 basis points were offset by the increase in yield on loans, both held for sale and investment, including PPP accretion for that net decline of 13 basis points that I previously mentioned. We continue to stay focused on our deposit costs, but the real driver to an improving margin going forward is putting that excess liquidity to work, which we anticipate occurring over the next three quarters. We've already mentioned that we reversed the $28.6 million in provision expense for the quarter due to improvement in the economy, particularly our economic forecast related to unemployment, GDP, and the CRE index. We continue to carry qualitative factors on various segments of our portfolio to include commercial real estate, mortgage, and hotels. Our ending allowance for loan loss was $178.6 million compared to $199.4 at the end of the year and $149.5 million at the end of the first quarter last year when the pandemic had just begun. Including the unfunded commitment reserve and allowance for other credit losses, our total allowance for credit losses is $200.2 million at quarter end compared to $233.1 at the end of the year at $167.3 at March of last year. Non-interest income remained strong this quarter due to the continued elevated production in the mortgage division. taking out the MSR noise of an impairment prior quarters and the recovery this quarter and then the non-recurring gain on BOLI that's also a non-interest income. If you take out all that noise, non-interest income increased 39% from first quarter last year to first quarter this year. Mortgage production was right at $2.6 billion for the quarter compared to $2.8 billion last quarter and the gain on sale decreased to $3.95 compared to $4.34 last quarter. The open pipeline at the end of the quarter was 16% higher than at the end of the year, finishing at $2.3 billion compared to an even $2 billion at year end. While we do see production slowing later in the year, to kind of quote Palmer from last quarter, we really don't foresee a cliff dive there. But we do continue to monitor it. Moving on to expenses, total non-interest expense continued to decline this quarter from $151 million last quarter to $148.8 almost 149 million this quarter. Last quarter, I guided that we would continue to prudently exam non-interest expense and anticipated minimal increases in the core bank. So I was really pleased with our efforts here this quarter and our determination to find ways to pay for new initiatives. As a result, expenses in the banking division declined 2.3 million during the quarter and our efficiency ratio in that division improved by over 200 basis points. We continue to watch efficiency ratio by division very, very closely. Overall for the company, our adjusted efficiency ratio increased this quarter to 54.62 from the 52.67 last quarter, but declined from the 59.87 reported this time last year. I previously guided for the efficiency ratio to stabilize in the 53 to 55% range because we really don't anticipate the previous level of mortgage revenue and efficiency to be sustainable. So we came in right in line with that guidance. However, We do continue to monitor the variable costs in the mortgage division and we anticipate those reducing down as production declines in the second half of the year. On the balance sheet side, we ended the quarter with assets of $21.4 billion compared to $20.4 billion at year end. We were pleased with our organic loan growth of $118.9 million or 3.3% annualized for the quarter. As you can see on slide 14 in our slide deck, We had about $294 million of headwind against significant growth in CRE, residential, and our new C&I division. We believe the decline in C&D and warehouse lines could be cyclical, and we could see further growth over the remainder of the year, although we are watching those warehouse lines to determine if that's truly cyclical or if that's the beginning of a trend. We already discussed the excess liquidity that you can see in the other earning assets on the balance sheet due to the tremendous deposit growth this quarter. We grew deposits $918 million or 22% annualized. And over 71% of that deposit growth was in non-interest bearing deposits. While we did have the expected seasonal runoff, we also had approximately $900 million in extra PPP funds and stimulus money come in. So now the real question is how fast can we put that liquidity to work? We continue to anticipate net loan growth, net PPP activity for the year in the mid single digits, kind of that 5% to 7% range. which is about a billion dollars of growth. So that $2 billion of excess liquidity, we've got a billion dollars going into loans and that leaves about a billion dollars of excess cash to prepare for any deposit runoff that we might see from that PPP funds being deployed or the stimulus money being used and also as we begin to buy investments as rates become more appealing. So to wrap up, we're excited about the remainder of 2021. We're in some of the best markets in the Southeast. Life is getting back to normal. and businesses are starting to grow. We're protecting our margin as much as possible and we're ready to utilize this excess liquidity to fund loan growth. Mortgage and fee income remain strong and expense control is, as always, part of our company DNA. I appreciate everyone's time today and with that, I'll turn the call back over to Andrea to open up the Q&A session. Thank you, Andrea.

I will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up the handset before pressing the key. To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble the roster. And our first question will come from Casey Whitman of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning.

Good morning, Casey.

Good morning. I guess I'd start, Nicole, thanks for that loan growth guide you just gave. With regards to that, I think you guys may have sold off some more of the consumer loans this quarter. Can you tell us how much that was? And should we expect you to maybe continue to sell some of that off, I guess, on top of the auto runoff? And I'm assuming that that is part of the 5% to 7% growth expectation you just gave.

correct it is included in that so we the only portfolio that we sold this quarter we had already moved to held for sale in the fourth quarter of last year so it did not come out of the held for sale or I'm sorry out of the held for investment this quarter and we do not anticipate any other loan sales so that was the same the same loan sale that we talked about last quarter transferring into held for sale and then it went out of held for sale this quarter

Okay, got it. So it's really just the indirect auto runoff still happening. That's right.

And that has slowed. Our indirect runoff, if you think back closer to July of 2019 when we first acquired Fidelity, that was running off at about $139 to $140 million a quarter. That has slowed to about $100 million a quarter, and our portfolio there is down to less than $500 million. So we do have that headwind slowing, and we're almost eventually going to get down to kind of just that little tail end of it.

Okay, got it. Makes sense. And then maybe just kind of a housekeeping question on PPP for you guys. The new $350 million or so in 2021 originations in the latest round, do you have the associated fees with the new originations?

Sure. So on the PPP round three, we have $17 million of deferred fees, $17.4 million of deferred fees on round, what we're going to call round three. and then on round 1 and 2, which is both of the 2020 rounds, some people call it 1A and 1B, we have about $8.5 million left there. So total deferred fees are just about $25 to $26 million. Got it. Thank you, guys. Sure.

Thank you.

The next question comes from Brady Gailey of KBW. Please go ahead.

Hey, thank you. Good morning, guys.

Good morning.

I mean, mortgage still remains very robust for y'all, which is great to see. I keep thinking it's got to slow down at some point. But yeah, it still feels like it's pretty robust. Any color just on what you're seeing within mortgage today and any sort of idea of when you think mortgage could start to normalize lower?

Good morning, Brady. It's Palmer. I will tell you that, as we've said all along, and Nicole mentioned her comment, the way our mortgage shop is set up, there was never going to be a cliff dive, which I think, based on a lot of the Mortgage Bankers Association numbers you would expect, that we didn't see that, and nor did the industry see that. I can tell you that second quarter, in terms of our pipeline now, we've had a strong April, and things look positive there. The second half of the year is hard to predict at this point. But I think mortgage will continue to deliver into the second half. But one of the things we're probably most encouraged with as of recent, if you look at our current production, 74% now of our production was purchase business, which is really encouraging. We had so much refi business, all of us had, as an industry. So it's nice to see that purchase coming back. And with the demand for housing, and especially in all the growth markets we're in, I think the housing sector will continue to deliver for banks through the remainder of the year, albeit at a tempered pace as we move into the second half of 2021.

All right. That's helpful. Next, I just wanted to ask about the continued opportunity to take market share. We saw State sell to Cadence. Now Cadence has sold to Bancorp South. You even saw it's a much smaller deal that Southcrest sold to Colony last night. There just continues to be a lot of Dislocation, especially in the Atlanta market. Can you just talk about the opportunity to continue to hire away and steal market share versus the opportunity to do something more transformational via some sort of M&A transaction?

I think when people think of transformational, they think of immediately a larger transaction. I think of transformational as something that takes place over time and I think that's more sustainable transformation and that's kind of how we look at things because first and foremost we focus on our organic growth internally and our ability to generate that growth which I think we have delivered to the market and I think what happens is when you have disruption like we're seeing throughout the markets that's really music to our ears in terms of opportunity and we now have people positioned in place I couldn't be more I'm excited about the potential we have for the commercial growth, too, which we have been talking about and made some significant investment in. And that's beginning to deliver for us. And I think we'll see that accelerate as we get into the second half of the year, primarily due to two things. Number one is the disruption that you mentioned. And number two is the improving economy. And you put those things together across our footprint, and it's pretty meaningful. And then you know on top of that if you layer in opportunities M&A opportunities I think that can further supplement our efforts there but disruption is good for us primarily because we're positioned well to take advantage of it and we'll continue to do that and we'll do that in form of organic growth and then certainly explore M&A opportunities ourselves.

All right and then finally for me maybe just for Nicole you mentioned you have two billion of excess liquidity you know half of that will hopefully go into the loan book you know that leaves you another billion to maybe put in the bond book you know is I know bond rates are up some but they're still pretty low you know what are your thoughts on kind of when you pull the trigger to deploy that cash into the bond book is it now or do you wait for you know rates to go up a little more?

So Brady we are probably in we would like to wait a little bit longer we would like rates to go up a While we do have a billion dollars, again, the two billion minus the billion of loan growth, so we've got about a billion dollars left, what are we going to do with that? We do anticipate some deposit runoff as things start to get back to normal and people start using that money. We do anticipate some of that, and we are starting to look at some purchases and some other investments. The piece that we're holding back on is right now, with the yield that you can get at that duration, When rates do go up, we feel like we would be sitting in an unrealized loss position on those purchases and that's going to come through OCI and that's going to be a negative to tangible book value eventually. And so for the little incremental that we could get today on a bond purchase versus that longer term outlook on the effect that it could have on tangible book, we've said repeatedly that we're focused on tangible book value growth. So I don't want to make a short-term decision today for a very small increase in my margin. If there's other things that we can do, you know, we've continued to grow net interest income, NII dollars. So we feel like as well with the mortgage portfolio, as we continue to have that and have that marginals held for sale, you'll see that bubbled up a little bit more this quarter. We did that on purpose. to kind of let that grow a little bit because we can get a much better yield there than what we could get in the bond portfolio. So as rates come down and we start maybe the mortgage loans, health for sale come down at that same time, rates are going up. So the short answer is that we probably need another 25 to 50 basis points from what we could get today would be our preferred, but we may start buying a little bit ahead of that.

Great. Thanks for the call, guys. Thank you.

The next question comes from Jennifer Demba of Truist. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning. Good morning. Could you give us an update on your standard lending efforts, Palmer, and how that's going versus your internal budget and what opportunities you see in the future if there are more hiring opportunities or you're happy with the team you have now?

Jennifer, I'm sorry, I missed the first part of your question. It was kind of muffled. Can you repeat it for me, please?

Sure, I'm sorry. Could you give us an update on your C&I lending progress to date and how that has panned out versus plan and if you plan on making any more hires in that area? Thanks.

Sure, thank you. No, when you look at CNI, as I mentioned, that's probably where I'm really encouraged. Our pipeline right now is at an all-time high as we sit here today, and I know loan growth is key to everybody's future success going forward, and I'm pleased to say that we are at an all-time high on our pipeline. We are certainly seeing a lot of activity in several different sectors. In terms of hiring, we did hire another three CNI lenders this quarter. and those continue to be opportunistic for us throughout the footprint. We've got a couple opportunities in Atlanta now and then we also have another higher down in the Jacksonville market and two in the Carolinas this past quarter. So we really feel good about that and the momentum that we're building there and I think we'll start seeing a lot more of that. Now keep in mind too as we've touched on that's a slower growth model with the CNI initiative but it's more meaningful in terms of relationships versus transactions. And at the same time, we certainly have a robust pipeline and CRE initiative. So we're just fortunate that we're seeing all this activity. It's picking up considerably throughout the Southeast, and we're going to take advantage of that.

Okay. Thanks a lot.

We'll see that.

The next question comes from Brody Preston of Stevens. Please go ahead.

Good morning, everyone.

Good morning, Brady.

Nicole, just a quick question. Do you have the average PPP loan balances by any chance?

I do. Our average balances for round one and two for the first quarter was $618.6 million. And when I say one and two, that's kind of the 2020 1A, 1B. And then PPP round three was $146 million averaged. so our total average was 765 million.

Okay, all right, great, thanks for that.

And that compares, yep.

So I wanted to ask then, so when I back that out, right, you get to like, call it like a 435 core loan yield when you back out PPP. And so I wanted to ask just the new production yields, I think I've come down about 20 basis points or so since the third quarter of last year and now about 380 at least from the banking division. So I wanted to ask, where do you see that core loan yield kind of trending as we head forward for the rest of the year, just given that dynamic? Sure.

So there's a couple things there. Our loan production yield, our new production did kind of come down this quarter. But a lot of that, when you think about it, is because of the pipeline. And so the pipeline that was already there funded in the first quarter. So what we're seeing kind of coming in the pipeline now is is more stable and maybe even a little bump up. Now we're starting to see some competitive pressure on those yields coming in. We've had a couple people in our markets, some other players that have kind of been out and they're starting to come back in. So we're starting to see some competitive pressure that's offsetting where we really think some of the yields would have, or those production yields would have gone up. So kind of having those stabilized going forward. So on the loan portfolio, just straight loan portfolio taking out kinds of PPP We could anticipate potentially four basis points. I shouldn't be that exact. I should say three to five basis points of kind of compression from the loan portfolio. But we also feel like we have two to four basis points of additional deposit cost savings. So that's almost offset.

So I guess ex-PPP, you're looking for the core margin to be flat to down slightly from here?

That's right, ex-PPP, probably one more quarter at least of some compression. With PPP, we're saying kind of that same five to seven basis points. And I'll say there's two wild cards there, really, Brody. One is that use of excess liquidity and how quickly loan growth comes in in the second quarter. And then the other wild card is PPP and how quickly that pays off.

Got it. Thank you for that. and then just on the growth that you had this quarter you know commercial growth when you kind of add up the commercial categories x the business lines was was solid um you know but the bulk of that was obviously carried by CRE and when I sort of look at the breakdown of you know office it's retail and particularly office and specifically grew by about 20 percent in the link quarter and so I just wanted to ask you know where is this growth sort of coming from from a geographic perspective and so what gives you comfort originating these loans just given all the work from home fears and then if you could provide some detail as to what the office exposure looks like is it you know like single tenant lawyers or is it bigger office building just give us a sense there.

Okay that's fine so the geographic dispersion is still very good and if you think through some of the hires that we have have been able to bring in over the last year. They've been in Tampa and Jacksonville and Charlotte and have been around. And so we've been able to get business and new business in those marketplaces. So it's been a pretty well diverse market. So the types of loans, there have been from really MOV medical office buildings to larger larger offices really but you know they've been we really have tried to stick to essential businesses and you know suburban mid-rise is occasionally an okay product but if we can stick to you know a long-term lease with a a group of businesses that have been there for quite a while and have an essential function in that market and we feel better about it and that's kind of how we try to stick to the underwriting on those.

Okay, great. And then could you provide some thoughts around the growth outlook for some of your business line portfolios, particularly premium finance portfolios?

Yeah, I think premium finance, what you'll find, it's been very consistent. I think it'll continue to be a steady provider for us. So that asset class we feel very comfortable with in terms of our ability to continue to generate sustainable revenue there. The one that oftentimes won't reflect a lot of growth but reflects a lot of productivity is the residential construction lending group. And because, as you well know, inventories being so low and how quickly things are turning, There's been tremendous income generated out of that division, but the growth won't be there, and that's a sign of just an overly healthy market right now, housing market. So we continue to see that as a real plus. Nicole mentioned the flexibility we've got with the mortgage portfolio and the help for sale and our ability to utilize that to our advantage. The C&I growth will continue. As I mentioned, that's where a lot of our focus is. It does take longer. but we're encouraged by what we're seeing there and a lot of that's due to some of the new hires that we've brought on board over the last 12 months and then we're fortunate to be in all of our markets, growth markets for the most part so the CRE that John touched on will still be a very viable product for us as well. SBA is one that we want to ramp up. I think there are going to be some additional very meaningful programs coming out of SBA and we want to make sure we get our Fair share of that. We've not had the growth there that I would like to have seen, but I think you'll see a continued focus on that, which ought to be meaningful as well as we go forward in terms of generating some good non-interest income. I think that pretty much breaks down all of our asset classes there for you.

Yeah, thank you for that. Nicole, what was the dollar amount of the seasonal increases for expenses for both the core bank and the business lines, and does that come out of the run rate in the second quarter?

Sure, so what we had in the mortgage, we had about $1.3 million of payroll taxes that hit in the first quarter that will taper off as the year goes by. And then in the core bank, we had about $1.8 to $2 million of those payroll taxes.

Okay, great. And then I do just have one last one, and I appreciate you taking all my questions. Palmer. Just wanted to follow up on the M&A. So the bigger deals that we've seen, the buyers have lagged, and I think, you know, the MOE types with higher execution risk. So I just wanted to ask you, has your thoughts changed as you've seen all these deals kind of hit the tape, or are you thinking along the same lines, kind of that smaller two and a half, three, four billion dollar kind of deal bolt on that would, you know, maybe in enhance the, enhance Ameris a little bit, and if you could just provide some thoughts on, you know, the type of bank that you'd be looking to acquire in the current environment, I'd appreciate it.

Sure, and I think we've been pretty consistent on this. We've kind of said our sweet spot is really between $3 and $10 billion. I will tell you, having said that, regardless of whether it's a $10 billion all bank or a $3 billion whole bank, we're not going to do anything that would take on excessive execution risk, nor anything that wouldn't be accretive to our organization. We are very strategic in the way we look at M&A. And so, as I've said before, if it helps us garner additional market share in some meaningful markets where we need it, or if it provides and helps further a line of business that we're interested in growing, those are certainly some opportunities for us for banks that are within that space. There are probably some other non-bank opportunities that may be out there as well. So, We're going to remain consistent in our approach there in terms of making sure whatever we do is strategic and that it fits into our overall plan. And I do think there will be some meaningful opportunities out there, but it's going to have to be the right one. It's going to need to be a cultural fit, and it's going to need to be able to further our strategic initiatives.

Got it. Thank you very much for taking all my questions, Ben. I really appreciate it. Thank you.

Thank you, Brady. The next question comes from David Feaster of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, everybody.

Hey, good morning, David.

I just wanted to start on loan production and kind of what you're seeing there. Obviously, it's a bit slower than we had in the fourth quarter, still trending below pre-pandemic levels, but it's extremely encouraging to hear about the pipeline, especially the CNI pipeline. I'm just curious how much of the slower production was a distraction from PPP and and just whether you'd expect that to reaccelerate back north of fourth quarter levels or even closer to pre-pandemic levels, you know, kind of north of 900 million.

Well, I think the opportunity for all banks out there right now, you know, first quarter is typically, seasonally, a slower quarter to begin with. So we need to be mindful of that. And then second, you're partly on top of that, the whole issue with the pandemic and PPP. I would like to say that we were 100% distracted by PPP. That is not the case. We had several people that were obviously wearing two hats and helping out with PPP in addition to their day jobs and everybody pitched in to get that done and it was a meaningful effort and I commend the industry for stepping up and making it all happen. With that being said, what we've been able to do is kind of take advantage of this pandemic time to bring in new talent and also to build up the commercial opportunity. So we've been out actively calling. I think when a lot of people have been focused more inwardly, we were out calling. And I think what we're starting to see is those pipelines that have been built, that doesn't happen overnight. It takes, as you well know, 60 to 90 days to kind of get things going. And we're now in that 60 to 90-day period. So that's the benefit in the list we're seeing in the pipeline. And then you compound that. Thank you very much.

That's great. And I guess just where are we at kind of in the migration of the new PPP clients? Where are we at in bringing those over? And then just how much of your pipeline do you think is this growth is from either new clients coming over versus improved sentiment and improved demand and existing clients being ready to invest?

Well, like most banks, we did a lot of outreach that touched on with this round three, but the majority of most banks' production, ours included, about 80% of it remains with existing customers. The other 20% was new customers. And some of them meaningful customers. They're all meaningful. Any customer is. But I think in terms of moving the needle, I have not witnessed the huge lift that I've heard others talk about. I don't know if I've seen it in others either in terms of A huge in-migration of new customers as a result of PPP. We certainly have garnered new customers and value those customers, but I wouldn't hang our hat on the growth coming from that 20%. So what we're doing is taking care of the PPP customers, embracing the new ones that came in, but more importantly going out and hunting for new customers. And I think that's the opportunity that exists for our bank right now with all the disruption in our markets. So I would tell you that we remain pretty much focused in the way we've always been in terms of our outreach of maintaining and retaining existing customers but more importantly going out and trying to identify new opportunities. Okay, that's great.

And then just curious, I wanted to touch on asset quality and just maybe if you could give us some detail on what drove that increase in criticized balances and then just how you think about the reserve going forward. It sounds like there's still a decent amount of qualitative factors there. I guess would you expect to kind of maintain the reserve ratio here exclusively with PPP or do you see opportunity for maybe some additional reserve releases or are you just growing into the reserve?

Let me take that in reverse. So the reserve being built off of the primarily on the forecast models As those continue to improve and businesses get back to work, I think we certainly are under pressure for release. We really don't want to do that, and so we are looking at opportunities that are within the CECL framework to hold on to the reserves, but the forecast models generally kind of drive the day on a lot of that. um the the first part of the tell me again the first part of the question just asset quality and trends and then what what drove the increase in criticized yeah thank you so the criticized increase in the first quarter was really uh just two relationships both of which were really single loans. One was an ALF, one was a hotel, and they were both still impacted by COVID restrictions, slow lease up. And so it was not anything that was systemic by any stretch. It was just kind of extraordinary to those two properties. And I will say, as we look out, most all of the deferrals we did on hotels were through the middle of this year, which is coming up on us very quickly. So I think we've got, as we approach that and we kind of finalize what these customers are going to be able to do going forward and whether or not they've reached sort of that break-even or back to profitability, we'll see some opportunities, I believe, for improvement in the watch list just because we had so many The next question comes from Christopher Maranac of SIG Partners. Please go ahead.

Hey, thanks. Good morning. Just wanted to follow up on the mortgage gain on sale this quarter. And going forward, is some of the expense initiatives in the mortgage business and the efficiencies you're building into that, does that help the gain on sale fall less than it otherwise would?

No, not necessarily. But that's a great question as you think through that. So the thing is with mortgage, so our gain on sale did decline from $434 to $395. so about a 39 basis point decline. I don't know that that, I don't anticipate another 39 basis point decline by any means but one thing that I did want to add on to that you touched on there was the expense side and our production was actually very stable and so even though the production was stable and the units were stable you saw kind of those expenses remain pretty stable even absorbing the cyclical kind of first quarter payroll taxes but that's really based on production. And so when the gain on sale went down, our revenue went down but our expenses kind of stayed the same. So seeing that gain on sale move back up will certainly help that or stabilize or move up will help that. But then also as production comes down, we've worked really hard in the mortgage group. They're very cognizant of their variable costs which are about 75 to 80% of total costs. So as that production increases, as the production starts going down, that's when you'll see the shift in costs.

And Chris, if you look at last year's production, about 84% of last year's production was variable expense. So the key, as Nicole touched on, is being able to move very quickly with that. And we've got a pretty disciplined culture across the board, and especially in mortgage. So as we see that tapering back, The expenses will adjust accordingly. People always tell how scalable that business is, but the reality of it is how quickly can you move and should you move and be prudent and not be hasty in what you're doing. I think we've got a good handle on that. As we see the production pull back, you'll see the expenses move accordingly.

Sounds good. I appreciate the color on that. Just to follow up on the outreach from your customers that you talked about, Palmer, to what extent are you seeing The account openings that you want in wealth management and new commercial business. It sounds like it is moving in the right direction. I just want to get a little more background there.

It is. There's a void in our market with that type of wealth initiative. I see that as a big opportunity for our bank as we go forward. In my opinion, it can't grow fast enough because I look at the client base that we've grown. Our guys have done a wonderful job of doing that. we're starting to see the benefits of it in terms of the earnings and the contribution but you know the contribution it can make and so we've got to double down on our efforts there in terms of growing those assets under management and right now I think the market due to all the disruption and quite frankly due to a lot of the scarcity of these types of wealth groups within banks there are a lot of RIAs outside of banks and those may present opportunities for banks as we go forward but that's certainly an area for us that It creates quite an annuity and if you can grow it and grow it in a meaningful way and we've done a good job of cross-selling existing customers and at the same time bringing in some meaningful business over the last 90 days that I think will continue to grow that area. But that is certainly an area of focus for us as we go forward and I'd like to see more growth out of it. Great. Thanks again. Okay. Thank you.

The next question is a follow-up from Brody Preston of Stevens. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys. Sorry to hop back on. I'm just getting inbounds from some folks. And so I wanted to ask just on the – if you back out the MSR write-up on mortgage, you know, each quarter, it was actually lower this quarter. And I wanted to ask, is that due to lower hedge income on the locked pipeline?

When you say it is lower, do you mean revenues?

Yes.

Yes, no, it's actually that gain on sale dropping, those 39 basis points, because our production was fairly stable. Production last quarter was, I think, $2.8 billion, and production this quarter was almost $2.65. So production was fairly stable, but it was that 39 basis points of gain on sale. Gain on sale is what kind of drove that net revenue down.

Okay and then the last one is just the the PPNR of the of the banking division when you look at the segments that you break out um you know since since the lion deal sort of went through I think you guys have been bouncing around in the mid 40s you know up to 60 and now we're back down to 47 million or so for the core PPNR of the banking division and so I wanted to ask just What are going to be some of the levers that you pull to move that PPNR for the banking division higher just because it's going to become more important as mortgage kind of normalizes in the back half of the year and into 22?

Absolutely. So that's really where you see some of the initiatives that we've talked about with the occupancy expense as far as leases. We've got some of it there. We've also got some efficiency, just movement going with really evaluating and everything that we do and how we do things. After you do a big acquisition like a Fidelity and you kind of have your cost base built out and you get through conversion and you go through those and then you really start looking at everything. One other aspect in that banking division is our treasury. We've done a really good job. We've got some efficiencies going on in treasury as well as some initiatives there to increase some treasury income. So that has helped as well. and then we've got a huge technology benefit. When we look at our technology costs, about 25% of that is really forward future, what we think about as future benefit as far as integration, automation or delivery platform and then another 20% roughly of our IT, when I say IT, I include kind of our IT and our PMO, project management office, about another 20% of that is related to efficiency and so this is really the kind of all of that coming to fruition and gaining that synergy that we have through those areas.

Got it. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it.

Sure. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Palmer Proctor for any closing remarks.

Thank you, Andrea. Once again, I want to thank everybody for listening in on our first quarter of 2021 earnings results. I did want to close just by emphasizing how energized we are over here at Ameris about our future. We are clearly in some of the best markets in the Southeast, and more importantly, we have the right bankers in market to take advantage and capture some additional market share where we are. And so we've positioned ourselves well for the future. remain focused on producing top quartile results and strong asset quality and continuing to focus on efficiencies and garnering a lot of those through our technology initiatives. We're really looking forward to the rest of 2021 and beyond, and I want to thank you again for listening in today. Thank you.

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