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spk18: Good morning and welcome to the Green Realty Third Quarter 2022 Conference Call. All participants will be in listening mode. If you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, you'll have an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone. To draw your question, please press star then two. Please limit yourself to two questions during this call. Note that this event is being recorded. I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Ruben Treeman, Director of Corporate Finance. Please go ahead, Ruben.
spk00: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for AgriReality's third quarter 2022 earnings call. Before turning the call over to Joey and Peter to discuss our results for the quarter, let me first run through the cautionary language. Please note that during this call, we'll make certain statements that may be considered forward-looking under federal securities law. Our actual results may differ significantly from the matters discussed in any forward-looking statements for a number of reasons. Please see yesterday's earnings release and our SEC filings, including our latest annual report on Form 10-K, for a discussion of various risks and uncertainties underlying our forward-looking statements. In addition, we discuss non-GAAP financial measures, including core funds from operations, or core FFO, adjusted funds from operations, or AFFO, and net debt to recurring EBITDA. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in our earnings release, website, and SEC filings. I'll now turn the call over to Joey.
spk05: Thank you, Ruben. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Before running through our standard update, I'd like to take a step back to provide some observations on the current state of the market, as well as the steps we've taken to further strengthen our positioning in a challenging macro environment. Our recent capital markets transactions have bolstered our balance sheet with attractively priced capital. At quarter end, our fortress balance sheet stood at approximately 3.1 times pro forma net debt to EBITDA, providing tremendous flexibility and enabling us to opportunistically execute as buyers and sellers continue to adjust to the market. Cap rates are creeping higher, most significantly in the merchant builder space, and provided us opportunities to take advantage of distressed situations. We have seen the levered buyer and a number of institutionally capitalized investors exit the market altogether or move significantly up the risk curve to drive incremental yield. As the bid-ask spread continues to narrow and more sellers capitulate, our focus will remain on the strongest retailers in the country with the balance sheets to execute their omni-channel strategy in a challenging retail environment. We will not go up the risk curve in terms of tenant credit profile, single-purpose assets, or private equity-sponsored sale leasebacks. Our working assumption is that attractively priced long-term debt does not return to the market for the foreseeable future. Hence, we are focused on unlevered returns on equity. We are very fortunate to have the balance sheet and cost of capital to still drive incremental spreads without leverage. Our focus continues to remain on per-share AFFO growth while preserving the dry powder to execute on distress. I remind all investors that our company has thrived in times of economic uncertainty. We launched our acquisition platform after the great financial crisis and nearly doubled the size of our company during COVID. Candidly, I think the market has been ready for a reset for a while now, and I'm confident that our team is ready to once again seize on the opportunities that will be forthcoming. Moving on to third quarter activities, We selectively invested approximately $372 million in 121 properties across our three external growth platforms. 98 of these properties originated through our acquisition platform, representing volume of more than $360 million. The properties acquired during the quarter are leased to 39 tenants, including best-in-class operators in the dollar store, auto parts, farm and rural supply, grocery, home improvement, consumer electronics, and off-price sectors. The acquired properties had a weighted average cap rate of 6.2% and year-to-date record weighted average lease term of 11.1 years. Nearly 73% of the acquired properties were leased to investment-grade operators. Throughout the first nine months of the year, we've invested a record $1.2 billion in 328 retail net lease properties spanning 42 states. Over two-thirds of the annualized base rent acquired is derived from leading investment grade retailers. These metrics demonstrate our continued focus on leveraging all three external growth platforms to execute on opportunities with best-in-class operators. Given the increased visibility into our high-quality pipeline, we are increasing the bottom end of our acquisition guidance to $1.6 billion, while maintaining the high end of our guidance at $1.7 billion. That said, we will remain prudent and disciplined in how we deploy capital. Our investment activities were supported by almost $815 million of equity and debt raised during the quarter that fortified our balance sheet. At 9.30, we had over $630 million of forward equity and cash on the balance sheet with no outstanding balance on our revolving credit facility. Moving on to our development and partner capital solutions platforms, Our team continues to uncover compelling opportunities, helping to build the company's largest ever development pipeline. Our platform is uniquely situated to provide struggling merchant developers with the ability to lock in funding while providing us with additional opportunities to drive superior risk-adjusted returns. We continue to have dialogue with many of our retail partners to find solutions that fit their store growth strategies. During the quarter, we commenced two new developments in PCS projects, including one Gerber collision located in Marietta, California, as well as the Sunbelt rentals in Wentzville, Missouri. We also completed the development of two Gerber collisions locations, as well as a Burlington. Construction continued on 18 additional projects. In total, we had a record 25 projects either completed or under construction during the first nine months of the year, representing approximately $82 million of committed capital. Moving on to dispositions, we sold our Gardner-White furniture store in Canton, Michigan for approximately $20 million during the quarter. As noted on previous calls, this was the art van flagship we developed prior to the company's acquisition by THLE, which was subsequently released to Loves Furniture and then most recently to Gardner-White. During the time we owned the asset, we were able to release this property twice, recapturing effectively 100% of rent without tenant improvement dollars. Now, three tenants and a pandemic later, we are ultimately selling the asset in an IRR of approximately 10%, which demonstrates our bottoms-up approach to real estate underwriting. Through September 30th, we sold six properties for gross proceeds of nearly $45 million, with a weighted average cap rate of 6.5%. Given our year-to-date activity, we are increasing the lower end of our disposition guidance range to $45 million, while maintaining the upper end of our range at $75 million. On the leasing front, we executed new leases, extensions, or options in approximately 192,000 square feet of gross leaseable area. Notably, new leases, extensions, or options included in Dick's Sporting Goods in St. Joseph's, Missouri, and at Big Lots in Cedar Park, Texas. At quarter end, our 2022 lease maturity stood at just 0.2% of annualized base rents. We're also in terrific position for the upcoming year with only 1.5% of our portfolio-wide leases maturing. At quarter end, our portfolio encompassed over 1,700 retail properties across all 48 continental United States, including 201 ground leases, representing 12.7% of total annualized base rents. Occupancy ticked up during the quarter to 99.7%, while investment-grade exposure stood at nearly 68%, representing a two-year stacked increase of 530 basis points. Our portfolio is the best in the country and undoubtedly positioned to withstand any economic headwinds. With that, I'll hand the call over to Peter, and then we get it open for questions.
spk13: Thank you, Joey. Starting with the balance sheet, as Joey mentioned, we had another very active quarter in the capital markets, raising or settling almost $1.3 billion of capital. At quarter end, we had no floating rate exposure and approximately $252 million of cash on hand. In conjunction with no material debt maturities until 2028, we are well positioned to withstand interest rate headwinds and volatility in the capital markets. In August, we completed a $300 million public bond offering comprised of 4.8 percent senior unsecured notes due in 2032. In connection with the offering, we terminated related swap agreements of $300 million, receiving approximately $28 million upon termination. Considering the effect of the terminated swap agreements, The effective all-in rate for the 2032 notes is 3.76%. The offering further staggered our maturities and extended our weighted average debt maturity to approximately eight years. During the quarter, we raised more than half a billion dollars of additional forward equity. We sold nearly 1.7 million shares during the quarter via our ATM program, raising net proceeds of approximately $127 million. And in September, we completed a 5.8 million share forward offering for anticipated net proceeds of approximately $382 million upon settlement. In conjunction with the September forward equity offering, we settled all 8.7 million shares of outstanding forward equity, realizing net proceeds of approximately $601 million. At quarter end, we still had 5.8 million shares anticipated to be settled from the September forward offering, representing anticipated net proceeds of approximately $382 million. Our capital markets transactions provided us with more than $1.6 billion of liquidity at quarter end, including cash on hand, full availability on our $1 billion revolving credit facility, and our aforementioned outstanding forward equity. As of September 30th, pro forma for the settlement of the $382 million of outstanding forward equity, our net debt to recurring EBITDA was approximately 3.1 times. Excluding the impact of unsettled forward equity, our net debt to recurring EBITDA was approximately four times. Total debt to enterprise value at quarter end stood at 24 percent, while our fixed charge coverage ratio, which includes principal amortization and the preferred dividend, remained at a very healthy level of five times. Moving to earnings, core FFO and AFFO for the quarter were 97 cents and 96 cents per share, representing 5.6 percent and 7.8 percent year-over-year increases, respectively. As mentioned on prior calls, we continue to anticipate high single-digit AFFO per share growth in 2022, implying two-year stacked growth in the high teens. As a reminder, Treasury stock is included within our diluted share count prior to settlement if and when ADC stock trades above the deal price of our outstanding forward equity offerings. The aggregate dilutive impact related to these offerings was a penny in the third quarter. During the third quarter, we declared monthly cash dividends of 23.4 cents per common share for July, August, and September. On an annualized basis, the monthly dividends represent a 7.8% increase over the annualized dividend from the third quarter of last year. While meaningfully increasing the common dividend over the past year, we maintain conservative payout ratios for the third quarter of 73% of core FFO per share and AFFO per share, respectively. Subsequent to quarter end, we again increased our monthly cash dividend by 2.6% to $0.24 per share for October. The monthly dividend reflects an annualized dividend amount of $2.88 per share or a 5.7% increase over the annualized dividend amount of $2.72 per share from the fourth quarter of 2021. General and administrative expenses totaled $7 million in the third quarter. G&A expense was 6.4% of total revenue or 5.9% excluding the non-cash amortization of above and below market lease intangibles. We now anticipate that G&A expense will decline between 40 to 50 basis points as a percentage of total adjusted revenue compared to last year from a prior anticipated range of 20 to 50 basis points. Total income tax expense for the third quarter was approximately $720,000. Our expectation for total income tax expense this year remains between $2.5 and $3.5 million. In summary, our well-positioned balance sheet affords us tremendous flexibility with pro forma net debt to recurring EBITDA of 3.1 times and roughly $1.6 billion of liquidity to fund our robust investment pipeline. With that, I'd like to turn the call back over to Joey. Thank you, Peter.
spk17: At this time, operator, we'll open it up for questions.
spk18: Now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your touch-tone phone.
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spk18: To try your question, please press star then 2. This time, we'll pause momentarily to assemble the roster. First question will be from R.J. Milligan of Raymond James. Please go ahead.
spk17: Hey, good morning, guys. Good morning, RJ.
spk02: So I'm going to start with my boilerplate question of this earnings season. What's your current weighted average cost of capital and how do you calculate it?
spk13: Thanks, RJ. This is Peter. I'd say first, we're always looking to get ahead of our capital needs so that we can retain flexibility in terms of how and when we access the markets. And to that end, we raised or settled $900 million of capital during the third quarter. that was used to fund our acquisitions during the quarter, but also provides a significant runway moving forward. The breakdown in terms of the capital raised during the quarter includes $300 million of long-term debt issued at an all-in rate below 4%. And we also settled $600 million of forward equity with a cost in the mid to high fives. So blending that all together, we raised $900 million during the quarter at a weighted average cost of around 5%. weighted two-thirds equity and one-third debt. As Joey mentioned in his prepared remarks, with the debt markets effectively frozen today, our long-term cost to borrow in the six is assuming a new 10-year public issuance. And so absent any changes in the debt capital markets, we'll likely look to fund the business using equity only going forward while continuing to utilize the revolver for shorter-term borrowings. Today, we have more than $380 million of outstanding forward equity available to us that was raised at a cost in the mid to high fives, and any incremental equity issue would be at a similar cost based on our current share price. I think most importantly, we're going to continue to be disciplined and prudent in terms of investing in incremental capital. We're not going to deploy capital if it's only marginally accretive, and at the same time, we're not going to go up the risk curve just to achieve better spreads.
spk02: Got it. So I think it's fair to acknowledge, obviously, the pre-funding that you guys have executed on over the past few months. There is a pretty long equity runway relative to some of your peers. And you've got a cost of equity capital that still allows for creative growth. But if cap rates are moving higher, the expectation is that they are going to move higher. Why accelerate growth into 4Q versus waiting for the market to move?
spk05: Well, I think, RJ, that's opportunistic for us. So I anticipate cap rates in Q4 to tick up for us with a similar credit profile to the third quarter and a similar term profile to this quarter as well. So I would anticipate taking advantage of the merchant builder market where there's an immediate need to recycle capital. And I think we'll see that in Q4 given the increase in the bottom end of our guidance. Going forward, we'll take qualitative and quantitative aspects obviously both into consideration as we deploy capital. I think the bottom line is this. We've taken flack historically, not from you, but we've taken flack historically for running a very low-levered balance sheet, introducing forward equity into the net lease space, which wasn't only overly welcome the first time it was introduced to maintaining a conservative approach. So these are the times, frankly, when that pays off. And at the same time, we're going to continue to run a low-levered balance sheet stay within our historical sandbox of investing in the best retailers in the world, because at some point debt will come back into the market. I don't believe it's going to be anywhere near the race that we've seen given this super cycle, but we'll be in a position to add incremental leverage at that time.
spk02: Thanks for that. And Joe, you've been pretty vocal over the past couple of quarters that you expect M&A and in the broader REIT space and maybe in that lease and We did see one of your peers taken private recently. Do you think there's more M&A to come?
spk05: First off, congratulations to Mary and her team. I mean, obviously, that was a terrific outcome for them. Look, I think we are not only in the net lease space. I think there are a number of companies situated, given their cost of capital and potentially their balance sheets and or their investment strategies, which aren't able to drive those spreads. And as you know, it's very difficult to come back in the REIT space once you have an impaired cost of equity, especially. And so our approach, our bent has always been conservative in preparation for what's next. We'll continue to follow, obviously, that historical approach here that predates my time in terms of balance sheet management. And we'll see what happens in 2023. We don't have a crystal ball here, but I wouldn't be surprised to see more M&A activity across the REIT space.
spk17: Thank you, guys. Thanks, RJ.
spk18: Thank you. Our next question will be for Brad Efron, RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
spk04: Hey, good morning, everyone. Joey, in your prepared comments, you mentioned distressed opportunities sort of in passing. I guess how frequent are those, and what do they look like?
spk05: Well, I think the most distress, quote-unquote distress, we're seeing right now is those that are in the need to sell, the need to recycle capital. And so what you'll see again for us in Q4 is opportunistically working with those developers that have pipelines that are delivered that need to recycle capital, that are historic merchant builders across the space, and and have recognized that the 1031 buyer or the 2021 pricing there is in the feasible option for them to recycle capital into new projects or into other ventures. And so that is, I would tell you, the true distress that we are seeing today. Those are the first to recognize the immediate expansion in cap rates. The second level is those with debt maturing or having a defined use for those proceeds. And we're seeing that as well. The remainder of the market continues to lag with wishful thinking for that miraculous 1031 buyer or, frankly, the person, the buyer that thinks we're still in 2021 or an all-cash buyer. That's where we really see the bid-ask spread remaining. We anticipate that, hopefully, to see more capitulation and for that to narrow as well.
spk04: Okay. And then you said you won't invest if it's only marginally accretive. I know historically you've solved for a spread of 150 basis points, plus or minus. So if you're saying cost of equity is in the high fives, do you anticipate cap rates going above 7% for your sandbox eventually?
spk05: Well, I would tell you, would I anticipate cap rates going? I mean, I'm looking into my crystal ball. I think history here is a useful guide. Between 2014 and 2018, there was approximately $55 billion of single-tenant net leases retail traded the 10 year average about two and a half percent at those times. And the average cap rate was six and a half. So I'm not going to sit here today and say I believe cap rates are going to go north of seven. That said, I have no idea what type of economic conditions we're going to be in in 2023. I think if we're investing capital and let's call it around 75 basis points unlevered on an accretive basis and high quality assets, With a later infusion of debt, again, not with the 10-year at 2% and spreads back to 100 with an all-in cost of 3%, I think we can get there. That said, if we're unable to invest capital accretively, we're going to maintain our discipline. And so we're not going to take this balance sheet to a leverage position. We're not going to get on a hamster wheel. Halloween is over. So we're going to find the best opportunities. What I can tell you is this. I can guarantee you that this team... And this company will lead the cap rate expansion in our given space. And that's without going up the risk curve. That's without moving into private equity-sponsored companies on a sale-leaseback basis. That's without looking at short-duration risk on assets. It's going to stay within our confines of what we're best at. Okay.
spk17: Thank you. Thanks, Brad.
spk18: Thank you. Next question comes from Joshua Dennerlein of Bank of America. Please go ahead.
spk12: Yeah. Hey, guys. Joey, I want to explore your comment on the competitive debt not returning to the market anytime soon. I guess what are you looking for when it comes to kind of recapping the debt markets or how you really describe competitive debt? What does that mean to you guys?
spk05: Well, I think, look, first off, I mean, debt today is outside our cost of equity. I mean, that's first off. So, I mean, there really is no true debt market today, especially in the 10-year unsecured space. I mean, obviously, anyone can look at where investment-grade paper is trading today. We've never historically been a short-term borrower. We're not going to run a significant balance on the facility on a variable basis. So debt obviously has to be accretive relative to our cost of equity. I think that's the threshold. From there, we'll see. Look, I already said I think the super cycle of lower for longer is over. That's my best guess. But at the same time, maybe it's wishful thinking. I hope in the back half of next year that we'll see a debt market that materializes and truly becomes a market again that companies are able to obviously raise that capital in.
spk12: All right. And how are, like, sellers, like, do they understand the change in the cost of capital that buyers have today? Like, what are the conversations like?
spk05: Gosh, they are wide-ranging. I will tell you there are sellers that – still believe, have wishful thinking. Maybe that will end with the Fed today. We'll see. But we are seeing more and more sellers recognize that we are in a very distant position from 2021 or even earlier this year. I think the most important thing there isn't really sellers' recognition of the macroeconomic conditions and or uncertainty. It is the hope of the loan 1031 or all cash buyer throwing in a bid for an asset. So in conversations with brokers, and there's been notes to a similar degree, the assets that are out there, out there widely marketed, asking low cap rates, sub five or five caps for high quality, that lease assets are getting two bids today, maybe not 10%. You know, activity is down to 20% of historical activity, recent historical activity. So I think the biggest challenge there, again, is not pouring cold water. I think it's the wishful thinking and the hope for that 1031 buyer or all-cash buyer to return or throw in a bid. I think as we move forward in this economy, as there's less $1031 here deployed, we're going to see... we're going to see some changes, hopefully, in terms of sellers' expectations. Great. Thank you.
spk17: Hopeful expectations, I should say.
spk18: Thanks, Josh. Thank you. Next question comes from Kim of Truist. Please go ahead.
spk09: Thanks. Good morning. Joey, sorry if I missed this, but what kind of cap rate should we expect over the next couple quarters?
spk05: Good morning, Keevan. Next quarter is all we have visibility into. We just began sourcing for Q1. And I would expect cap rates to tick up moderately there again with similar profiles to the third quarter. Q2 is an aberration because of the large sale leaseback that we executed on in terms of investment grade profile. But I would expect over 70% investment grade similar to this quarter. at or near 11% or 11 years weighted average lease term. And I would also anticipate ground lease activity kicking up there as well.
spk09: Okay. And I know someone asked this previously, but let me try another stab at it. How do you balance looking at, you know, you mentioned your WAC, obviously it was more favorable looking backwards and going forward for everybody, but how do you balance buying this type of volume? I know you can with a great balance sheet, but how do you balance buying it versus with your view that cap rates need to be higher and maybe taking a little bit of a pullback?
spk05: Well, I think, look, it's a great question. I think this is an art and not a science. Nobody has a crystal ball into 2023. We'll get hopefully a little bit more clarity from Mr. Powell shortly here. But nobody has clarity into 2023 yet. That's why I would refer back to Peter's comments. We will be disciplined. We are going to make sure that transactions are accretive, both mathematically accretive, but also qualitatively accretive. We are by no means going to put the pedal to the metal here and lever up a balance sheet with spreads that don't make sense. And we're going to be disciplined and thoughtful, as we've always been. Look, we are in very uncertain times. There are many risks on the horizon, whether they're domestic or macro international risks. We're cognizant of those risks. Again, this balance sheet, this company was built for those risks. And so every dollar we deploy has to be thoughtful and has to be with purpose.
spk09: Okay. And it would be more a bigger picture question. I'm a little surprised that more triple net REITs haven't issued convertible debt. I mean, you guys report on an AFSO basis anyway, where the GAAP interest expense non-benefit doesn't really matter. Just any broader thoughts on convertible debt and if that's a tool that makes sense for you guys at some point?
spk05: It doesn't make any sense for us, again. We're trading today on an implied or ASFO basis in the mid-five range. Convertible doesn't make any sense for us today in terms of an option, a capital source for other companies. I really haven't spent any time on it.
spk09: Okay. Thank you.
spk05: Thanks, Kevin.
spk18: Thank you. Next question will come from Nick Joseph of Citi. Please go ahead.
spk11: Thanks. Joe, do you have any sense of how much 1031 money is still out there looking to be deployed?
spk05: I wish I did. It's amazing that there's even the, I'll tell you, there's a lot of talk of it still. I think the feedback that we've gotten, that I've gotten from my team, especially from recent conferences and roadshows and meetings, is that there's a recognition that that money is waning. So there's a lot of talk of it. I'll tell you that the sentiment and the hope has gone from, in the broader community, has gone to wishful thinking more from hopeful that there's 1031. And so that has been recognized. I haven't seen anybody try to quantify those dollars, but undoubtedly those dollars are beginning to wane as the sheer number of real estate transactions in the commercial space, the velocity of them has decreased significantly.
spk11: Yeah, exactly. And then what are you seeing in terms of the difference in stickiness for cap rates on ground leases versus traditional net lease?
spk05: Really the same. I think ground leases have gotten, as I mentioned probably on the last couple calls, ground leases have gotten a lot of attention due to us, to Safehold, to the sell side covering them. I tell you that that market is very similar relative to the broader net lease market. that there's still a bid-ask spread. We're still looking for sellers to capitulate. That said, I do anticipate our ground release pipeline in Q4 will be fairly sizable.
spk11: Thank you very much.
spk17: Thanks, Nick.
spk18: Thank you. Next question will come from Handel Sanjuthi of Mizuho. Please go ahead.
spk16: Hi, good morning. This is Ravi Vidya on the line for Handel. Hope you guys are doing well. Can you comment on the acquisition? Morning. Can you just comment on the acquisition pipeline? Are you targeting any new tenants or categories? Are you seeing any pricing differentials that you're seeing on a category basis?
spk05: So no new tenants or categories, I would tell you. Selectively, we will insert tenants into that sandbox or we will remove them into that sandbox, but I don't think it's appropriate any new tenants or categories on a holistic basis. In terms of cap rates by sector, we're seeing velocity in those sectors in terms of cap rate dispersion. We're seeing velocity in the sectors that are driven by merchant builders. That's generally retailers that are growing at a fast clip and have leveraged the merchant builder community to drive new store growth for them.
spk16: Got it. Just one more here. I know you're shopping in the higher quality end of the spectrum. Cap rates tend to be stickier there. But can you comment how cap rates have shifted for investment grade tenants versus non-investment grade tenants?
spk05: I would tell you we don't spend much time. Look, investment grade, we've always said, is an output of our strategy. There are significant tenants in our portfolio that that don't have ratings, that are fantastic balance sheets. Many of them are transparent for the public to see, whether that's Publix, Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, Aldi. So top two retailers in this country. The bottom line is tenants in the non-investment grade are unrated that aren't, I would tell you, probably double B or better, especially the smaller operators. and even more acutely, the private equity sponsored retailers, the cap rates on those assets are blowing out, and they should. I mean, those assets today, those sponsored tenants, have balance sheets that have variable rate debt, have near-term maturities. They're generally single-purpose boxes in nature. It's nearly impossible to put a residual or a terminal value on the underlying real estate. They have limited access to capital, and their funding source is predominantly net lease REITs on a sale-leaseback basis who tend to be their largest unsecured creditors or amongst their largest unsecured creditors. We have no interest in playing in that space. I think it's imprudent. given the macroeconomic outlook that we see today or the potential ranges of outcome, but we've never played in that space. And so I can't give you specific instances of the cap rates because, frankly, we don't spend time there.
spk17: Got it. Appreciate the call, guys. Thank you.
spk18: Thank you. Our next question will come from Teo Oguzaya of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
spk14: Yes, good morning, everyone. Congrats on another solid quarter. Joey, could you, I mean, your earlier comment just about, again, rising cost of debt, you know, bad balance sheets, creating opportunities for you. You know, could you talk on the flip side with your retailers who are also going through that rising cost of capital and kind of, you know, bad balance sheets, if any, and just talk a little bit about the watch list where you see going ahead. Any particular categories you've become a little bit more concerned about with just what's going on with the overall macroeconomic backdrop in the U.S.?
spk05: Yeah, good morning to you. I think in terms of categories, we don't have exposure to categories where we have concern. Again, we just don't have the discretionary component, the recreational component, the luxury component in this portfolio. We're focused, we are focused specifically on on those core, durable, generally recession-resistant tenants and the leading operators in their respective sectors. Now, every property in our portfolio is on our website. If you want transparency, go to our website. All 1,706 properties as of 9-30 are on our website. We have three Bed Bath & Beyonds in the portfolio. We bought them all for the real estate. They are all tremendous pieces of real estate. Feel free to Google or something. We have one at home in our portfolio in Provo, Utah. It is a critical piece of real estate on the main thoroughfare in Provo. We'd love to get it back one day. And I've had multiple offers on it. So at the end of the day, we look at every asset on a singular case-by-case basis. And just really outside of the couple few movie theaters that we have in the portfolio just don't have those challenges.
spk14: Great, that's helpful. And then in the transactions market, are you seeing things look a little bit different for ground lease type transactions versus standard fee simple cheaper net buildings out there?
spk05: No, as I mentioned before, generally the same. It's transaction specific. Now, the ground lease market is nowhere near as deep or as large as the standard net lease market. So there are, of course, aberrations. But generally the same, nothing overly. Both markets today are in a stare down for the general stare down, I'll say, in terms of buyers and sellers and gaps there.
spk06: Great. Thank you.
spk17: Thank you.
spk18: Thank you. Next question will come from Mike. Linda to say, oh, Jeffrey, please go ahead.
spk01: Hi, good morning. The high single-digit earnings growth in 2022 and high teens on a two-year stack, as you look at your pipeline and given the view that cap rates move higher, what type of earnings growth might be achievable next year?
spk05: Good morning, Linda. It's a great question. A lot of it is going to depend, obviously, on sources and uses, if and when the debt markets come back, where cap rates move to, I think the thought of net lease rates growing in the upper single digits in terms of AFFO growth or double digits probably isn't overly prudent, if there's any thought of that next year. And so we're going to see the macroeconomic circumstances are really going to drive, obviously, the sources of capital in terms of the cost there. And then what happens in the overall cap rate environment and pricing environment is going to be the second piece there. And I wish I had the crystal ball to be able to tell you that today, but we unfortunately don't have it.
spk01: Thanks. And then has the tone or tenor changed from retailers as it relates to their store growth outlooks?
spk05: No, I would tell you that the conversations we have with retailers, again, we're not in the luxury or discretionary space, so I can't speak to those retailers. The conversations that we're having with retailers today revolve around the inability of developers to perform on their new store strategies. Their storing strategies for 2023 are generally already built out with pipelines. Now it comes down to execution. And so I'll give you an example. We talked to a large farm and rural supply retailer recently with a developer who had 50 stores in the pipeline, then down to 30 stores, three ended up hurtling. So generally speaking, the retailers in our portfolio have promised new store openings to the street. They are in growth mode, and now they have challenges getting constituents and stakeholders to actually execute on that new store growth due to rising costs, both labor, obviously, and materials, rising interest rates, the lack of availability of construction loans, And then most importantly now for a merchant builder, I'd tell you the lack of clarity on what their exit cap rate will be. And so we're working with those partners to see if there's a solution that makes sense for both of us in terms of deploying all three of our platforms.
spk01: Thanks. That's really helpful. Just one last one. What's driving G&A lowers?
spk13: Peter's comp. Linda, this is Peter. In terms of the decrease in G&A during the quarter, it was spread across several different areas, including accounting and tax, IT, and stock-based compensation expense, where there was a one-time decline due to some employee forfeitures. I would note that our guidance for 2022 implies a 40 to 50 basis point deceleration in G&A to approximately 6.5% of total adjusted revenue. And that guidance assumes that G&A in the fourth quarter returns to a level more similar to the expense that we saw during the first and second quarters of this year.
spk01: Thank you.
spk18: Thank you. Next question comes from Wes Galladay of Barron. Please go ahead.
spk03: Hey, good morning, everyone. Has there ever been a time where your cost of equity has been less than your cost of debt for a prolonged period like we're seeing now? And then you did make the comment about no short-term debt. Is that to read no term loans, always going to target 10-year debts? A little bit more clarification on that.
spk05: Yeah, not in my 10-year, Wes. I mean, our cost of capital is effectively inverted today. And we anticipate to remain inverted for a while here as the 10-year remains elevated and spreads remain extremely elevated. When we talk about short-term debt, we're talking about carrying extended balances on the credit facility either on a variable basis or on a swap basis. You know, we have looked at the term loan market and executed specifically in the seven-year term loan market historically. Most recently, we've been obviously an unsecured issue over in the public bond space at the 10 and 12-year levels here. But we'll look at all available options here. It makes sense in terms of our capital stack debt maturities, but we're not going to take any variable rate risk or any tenure risk.
spk03: Okay, got it. Then we'll look at the merchant builder situation. Do you get the sense that retailers are willing to pay higher rent to help the merchant builders absorb a little bit higher cap rate on their exits? And when you look at your pipeline, this year was really a lot of Gerber collisions. You made a good headway there. In the background, you have a bunch of retailers or a handset of retailers that you're potentially going to have drop next year where we see maybe this pipeline just swell.
spk05: So retailers are looking for all different types of solutions today. The team has been to a number of retailers' headquarters meeting with their heads of real estate in their respective departments. They're looking at increasing rent. They're looking at internalizing development. They're looking at fee-based programs to keep it on balance sheet. They're looking at more term, larger increases. I think all different types of solutions are being looked at so they can get new stores open and in the ground. To your second question, we're always talking to retailers and we're always looking for opportunities to grow Commensura with their pipelines. Again, it just really has to hurdle for us across our three platforms from an economic basis.
spk03: Just a follow-up on that. I mean, was there something specific about Gerber where you're just going to probably maybe provide them a little bit more, I guess, platform value where they said, hey, we want to just grow with you quite a bit and you're the one that we want to work with where, you know, maybe others are just doing one-offs. I'm just wondering if there's anything special about that one because there just really was a lot of Gerbers this year.
spk05: Yeah. Well, we've been talking to Gerber, I would say, for upwards of six years. And we had identified Gerber specifically because they're the only public company traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange owned by Boyd Group. They're the only public company in the collision space. And so as we saw Caliber and Service King, both private equity sponsored, continue to gobble up independent operators as well as open net new stores. Now, we were very attracted to the collision space because of the cost of repairs, the third-party payment, cost of repairs because of the cameras and the sensors. As I mentioned before, you can't just go to your traditional bump stop. You need a technician and a computer wizard to fix everything on your car today. So we were very attracted to this space. We identified Gerber again because of their low-levered balance sheet, which everybody can see on the line. Those conversations culminated with Gerber entering into a significant growth phase, obviously, from an organic perspective rather than an M&A perspective. And so the collision space was dominated by M&A, by the big three operators, as I mentioned, Gerber being the only public one, acquiring one-off and small collision repair chains. It then became cost prohibitive. um or frankly lack of opportunities out there so they flipped to greenfield and brownfield development and that's where we finally hit a chord and found a partnership there that worked for both of us and so we're very active obviously with gerber they have over 725 locations across their country across the country and we love the business the direction of the business and frankly their relationships with auto insurers who direct clients to give her
spk17: Got it. Thanks, everyone.
spk18: Next question will be from Ronald Camden. Morgan Stanley, please go ahead.
spk08: Hey, two quick ones. Just coming back to sort of the acquisition pipeline, you know, there's sort of two factors, right? There's volumes and then there's pricing. And then you sort of talked about that, you know, cap rates, you know, 6.2 in the quarter. That should be going up. As we're sort of thinking about next year, Should we expect sort of the same amount of volumes at those higher cap rate levels, right? Because I think what you're messaging is that cap rates are rising, but they're probably rising a little bit slower than cost of capital. So is this a scenario where, yeah, we should be expecting higher cap rates coming through, but are the volumes, is there a give or take there, or is there just enough sort of go around, if that makes sense?
spk05: No, I think you hit it dead on. And if we don't see cap rates rise where they hurdle for us quantitatively, then you will see volumes slow down. I mean, there's obviously no doubt about it. And so as cap rates move, we will be careful with, or don't move, frankly, we'll be careful with how we put our pedal to the metal, or frankly, we lay off. And so again, we have to take every transaction on a discrete basis, look at the qualitative and quantitative aspects of both of them, and then decide whether it makes sense relative in the broader market for us. And so we are going, look, we are in a read and react mode. I think it's fair to say everybody is in a read and react mode, and we will not get ahead of our skis, that's for sure.
spk08: Great. And then just moving on to tenant health, tenant risk, maybe can you just remind us just what bad debt has been this year? Obviously, you guys have a super clean portfolio, so it's pretty small. But the real question is, obviously, as we're thinking about the next year, the next two or three years, are you seeing anything to suggest that there's going to be more pain coming down the retail pipeline? Like, what are you hearing on that front? Thanks.
spk05: I think from a high level, yeah, I anticipate pain, not specific to this company because the portfolio is so strong. But I think a lot of balance sheets were repaired, retailer balance sheets were repaired during COVID. They either, the oddity of surge sales or, frankly, the ability to access low-cost capital. And so a lot of balance sheets, ironically, were repaired during COVID. I think we're seeing the deterioration of those balance sheets today. back to a more normalized pattern based upon their overall businesses. And so over the next two or three years, I think we're going to see, and I think maybe even a shorter period of time, we're going to see more and more distress in the broader retail environment. Again, a lot of this is dependent upon the consumer and macroeconomic conditions. But COVID was an outlier. COVID, and I've told people consistently, COVID was not a proxy for a recession. COVID was not a proxy for retailer distress. It was a timeout. And during the timeout, a lot of people and a lot of retailers got to eat and, frankly, got some free things or very cheap things. And so now we're seeing a normalization of sales levels across most retail sectors today. And the normalized sales patterns of a lot of these retailers pre-COVID are didn't make much sense to be sustainable in terms of an ongoing retail operation. And so I think we're going to see that normalization. Actually, we're seeing it today. We're seeing the tip of the iceberg today.
spk13: Peter, you can talk specifically about the bad debt. Yeah, in terms of bad debt, year-to-date, we've only recorded approximately $300,000 of bad debt expense, which is roughly 10 basis points of revenue on a year-to-date basis. So very minimal bad debt expense recorded year-to-date. Looking forward, we specifically identify tenants or instances of bad debt, so it's difficult to predict exactly what level of bad debt we'll have moving forward. But again, as Joey referenced, we think our portfolio is in great shape today.
spk08: Thanks so much. Thanks, Rob.
spk18: Thank you. Next question will come from Chris Lucas, Capital One. Please go ahead.
spk15: Hey, good morning, guys. Just a couple of quick questions. Joey, if we take a step back and think about the buckets of transaction opportunities that you guys look at, so you've got direct-to-tenant deals, and then you've got sort of existing lease deals that are out there that you might acquire. Are you seeing any differential in terms of the sellers in these cases, either one side or the other, adjusting to the capital market pricing today faster than the other at all?
spk05: It's a great question. I think the direct to sellers, those conversations generally and those thoughts are moving a little bit quicker. inclusive of direct-to-retailers than either marketed opportunities and or off-market opportunities that are out there shopping. So I think those direct conversations are cutting through to today's reality a little bit quicker, generally speaking, than some of the circuitous kind of hopeful conversations that are out there.
spk15: Okay, thank you for that. And then, Peter, I guess maybe just taking the prior question one step further, any sense as to what your fully swapped seven-year or five-year term loan all-in costs would look like today?
spk13: Yeah, Chris, I guess to answer that, I would say as this year has progressed, obviously there's been a lot of volatility in the debt capital markets, specifically the public bond markets. And as a result, I think more issuers have looked to the term loan market rather than the public bond market. We had the swaps in place earlier this year where it made sense for us to access the public bond markets at an all-in rate below 4%. In terms of accessing the term loan markets today, I think as banks have issued more term loans this year to issuers, you've seen bank balance sheets grow and less of an appetite to issue term loans, particularly five- and seven-year term loans. And so it's difficult to say exactly where we could price a five- or seven-year term loan today. I think we're seeing banks push companies towards the shorter-term term loans one or two years with options to extend.
spk15: And that's helpful. And last question for me, Joey. Just curious as to your thoughts about how you feel about Kroger as a credit, given the Kroger Albertson's merger announcement and how you're thinking about your portfolio there. Any risk to regulatory sales or anything like that that you worry about?
spk05: No, nothing there concerns me in terms of credit. There's no release provisions in any of our Kroger release. I think the more interesting fact is I think the more interesting thing, frankly, is Kroger's desire to actually acquire Albertsons. We've been talking for a long time about how we only will invest in the top-tier grocers in the country, and that grocery has been thought of as a safe haven generally, both in the net lease space as well as the shopping center space and the broader retail environment. And we continue to remind people that grocery has been a 2% business historically. When you have to pick it off of the floor, paying associates $20 an hour, some of them loaded wages even higher on a union basis, the margins quickly deteriorate. And so what we're seeing, and I think we're seeing with the Kroger Albertsons, is a move to increased scale even further because of margin deterioration CapEx spend in terms of Ocado and fulfillment. And so no concern on our end. All of our Kroger deals have Again, full Kroger guarantees, no release provisions there. I would anticipate a spinoff being really consolidated in the existing Alberts and stores. I think it's going to be interesting to see what the FDC does here. We obviously tracked the tractor orchal and FDC approval process, which I believe extended 18 or more months, and only in the farm and roll supply business. With 180 stores that the tractor was buying, that consisted of the entire company, they had to divest of approximately 50%. So as we watch the FTC here, it's going to be very interesting when it comes to something such as food, especially with the inflationary pressures we've seen on food, what that approval process is going to look like. But I think there's no doubt that we're going to continue to see grocers search for scale. And so we're going to stay at the top end of the grocery spectrum because I just truly don't believe it's actually the safe haven that investors have generally perceived.
spk15: Great. Thank you. That's all I had this morning.
spk02: Thanks, Chris.
spk18: Thank you. Next will be a follow-up question from Teo Okusanya of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
spk14: Yes, just a very quick one. The 6-2 cap rate this quarter, the gap cap rate, could you give us a sense of what the cash yields are on your most recent transactions and trying to get a sense if you feel the gap, the cash yields, the spread between the investment grid and the non-investment grid market, whether that started to gap out again because it had kind of collapsed over a while. but Q is responding to gap out again at this point.
spk05: Sorry, Taylor. You're breaking up to the part that came through. Really, the spread between investment-grade and non-investment-grade or unrated for us is really close. Again, some of our favorite retailers, Aldi, Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, Publix, traded at very aggressive cap rates. They're unrated everywhere. Some of them are closely held, private, family-owned companies, but they trade as if they were investment-grade because of the perceived credit profile, although they don't carry a third-party rating. So there really isn't that wide of a dispersion. I'll tell you there's probably, given term credit, real estate, and a number of other factors, probably about a 75 to 85 basis point dispersion across cap rates of where we invest capital, which in this quarter averaged a 6.2. And, again, we anticipate that ticking up in Q4 as we see more opportunities really driven by the merchant builder space.
spk14: I'm going to get cash yields. We're probably, what, mid-5? Excuse me? You're breaking up again. Cash yields? So your gap yields were 6-2, your cash yield for the quarter?
spk17: Oh, no, closer, around 6%.
spk06: The cash yields are around 6%.
spk07: Yes.
spk06: Okay, great. Thank you.
spk18: Thank you. That concludes our question and answer session. We'll turn the conference back over to Mr. Joey Agree for closing remarks.
spk05: Well, thank you, everybody, for joining us today. I'm going to get the opportunity to go blow my nose, and we look forward to catching up in NARIT in a couple weeks. Appreciate it. Thank you.
spk18: Thank you. The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
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