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spk00: Good morning and welcome to Alliance Data's fourth quarter full year 2021 earnings conference call. My name is Charlie and I will be coordinating your call today. At this time, all parties have been placed on listen-only mode. Following today's presentation, the floor will be open for questions. To register a question, please press start followed by one. It is now my pleasure to introduce Mr Brian Berra, Head of Investor Relations at Alliance Data. Sir, the floor is yours.
spk11: Thank you. Copies of the slides we will be reviewing and the earnings release can be found on the investor relations section of our website. Today on the call, we have Ralph Andretta, President and Chief Executive Officer of Alliance Data, and Perry Beekerman, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Alliance Data. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that some of the comments made on today's call and some of the responses to your questions may contain forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to the risks and uncertainties described in the company's earnings release and other filings with the SEC. Alliance Data has no obligation to update the information presented on the call. Also on today's call, our speakers will reference certain non-GAAP financial measures which we believe will provide useful information for investors. Reconciliation of those measures to GAAP will be posted on the Investor Relations website at AllianceData.com. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Ralph Vendretta. Ralph?
spk13: Thank you, Brian, and thank you to everyone for joining the call this morning. Before I begin with the slides, I would like to address the news last week regarding our contract with BJ's Wholesale Club. As you may be aware, a lawsuit was filed noting the non-renewal of the contract. While we cannot speak further about this matter on the call today, we firmly believe we are in compliance with the terms of our contractual agreement. What I can comment on is our steadfast commitment and track record of delivering the highest level of service and support to our valued brand partners, including operating responsibly and with the utmost integrity. Our leadership team has decades of industry experience and understands the importance of building trusted relationships with our partners and working together to drive long-term success for all of the parties involved. We will be highlighting our achievements on this call this morning as we look back over at 2021, a record year for new brand partner signings, successful renewals, and continued significant progress on our transformation. Regarding the BJA's non-renewal impact on our receivables growth and financial outlook, our forecast contemplates business activities including new brand partner wins not yet at announcement stage, thoughtful assumptions around our ongoing new business development pipeline and renewal probabilities, and expected but not yet announced non-renewal and portfolio optimization decisions like BJ's. We will maintain financial discipline in both signing new partners and renewing existing ones. As I said before, we will not chase unprofitable deals simply for the sake of growth. we remain committed to delivering responsible economics. With these factors and assumptions, we have clear visibility across our portfolio activity through 2023, underscoring our confidence in our outlook for continued growth. More importantly, we remain committed to our long-term financial target of $20 billion in average receivables for the full year of 2023. As the year progresses, I look forward to sharing updates regarding ongoing success, new brand partner wins, supporting the achievement of our goal. Now, moving to the slide deck, I will start on slide three. Slide three highlights just a few of the major accomplishments we achieved in 2021 as part of our business transformation. We made great strides in simplifying our business model, including completing the spinoff of Loyalty Ventures in the fourth quarter. The spinoff allowed us to strengthen our balance sheet by improving our capital ratios and reducing our leverage ratio, as well as enabling a sharper focus on our investments and future growth plans. The spinoff marks the culmination of a three-year strategy implemented by our board to simplify and streamline the company. the outcome of which is a stronger more focused business profile with increased flexibility and sustainable growth potential we continue to develop our full suite of lending products to provide consumers with a diverse set of payment options for example we had great success introducing our new proprietary card as it grew to 1 million cardholders and nearly 650 million dollars and outstanding balances at the end of 2021. We project continued success with this product, which provides a diversified growth driver and helps balance our portfolio risks. Our diverse product set, including private label and co-brands, installment lending, and split pay, unlocks graduation and optimization strategies that increase the lifetime value of a customer for us and our brand partners. Product choice allows us to meet the needs of a wide variety of consumers in a way that increases conversion while allowing brands to manage the product mix and optimization profitability. We recently celebrated the one-year anniversary of the bread acquisition, which added buy now, pay later offerings, including digital installment lending and split pay products. These additions to our product set were instrumental at a time of increasing omnichannel focus by our partners and consumers, increasing digital payment preferences. Our versatile payments platform provides new opportunities to deepen our relationships, expand our total addressable market, and have provided a new strategic relationship with RBC, Fiserv, Wayfair, and several. These partners leverage our nimble and flexible FinTech platform to expand and improve their customer experience while also offering greater payment choices to consumers. We will continue to strategically invest in our digital platform, product innovation, marketing efforts, and technology modernization, with a planned incremental investment of over $125 million in 2022. Also, in 2022, we are scheduled to complete the conversion of our core processing system to Fiserv. which will allow us to be more nimble, manage risk effectively, and leverage new capabilities to drive both revenue opportunities and operating efficiencies. Last but not least, as highlighted in our environmental, social, and governance report, we have continued to refine and prioritize our ESG strategy with board-level oversight. We have an outstanding board of directors which is aligned with and confident in the strategic direction of the company and is supportive of our ability to make disciplined financial decisions to drive long-term value for our stakeholders. Moving to slide four, I will highlight a few key updates for the quarter and full year. I am happy to announce that we exceeded our 2021 financial guidance. driven by stronger than expected revenue growth, thoughtful expense management, and positive credit performance. We are well positioned to build on this momentum in 2022. Consumer activity remains strong, with credit sales up 15% in the fourth quarter from the prior year period. Our beauty and jewelry verticals remain the frontrunners, with holiday sales up more than 30% in each category. We saw particular improvement among millennials and Gen Z with spending and transaction activity during the holiday season exceeding pre-pandemic levels. While diverse purchasing options across all channels is important to our brand partners, we did see a notable year-over-year increase in in-store transactions in the fourth quarter. As previously discussed, our business development pipeline remains robust And you are seeing the results in our announced new signings and renewals during the quarter. Moving to slide five, I will highlight a few of these names. We signed several large partners, several large new brand partners in the fourth quarter, including the National Football League, with its tens of millions of fans and their 32 affiliated club shops located at their stadium. Michael. the nation's largest retailer of arts and crafts materials with over 1,000 stores across 49 states. B&H Photo, which went live last week and is one of the world's largest independent retailers of photo, video, audio, computer, and creative technology equipment with nearly 50 years in the business. And finally, TPC Corporation, one of North America's largest marketers of tire repair and automotive services, delivered through a multi-channel strategy for over 65 years. TPC has more than 3,000 franchising company-operated tire and automotive service centers under brands like National Tire and Battery, Big O, and Midas. We look forward to working with these new partners to drive incremental sales growth and customer loyalty to our comprehensive product suite and exceptional customer service. These new partners are prime examples of our ongoing vertical diversification efforts, and we continue to actively add new brand partners, which we will announce in the coming months. This morning, we announced the early renewal of a long-term agreement with Ulta Beauty, a top millennial brand and one of our largest and fastest-growing brand partners, selling over 25,000 products at more than 1,300 stores and on Ulta.com. The Ultimate Rewards credit card is designed to enhance the benefits of Ulta's loyalty program and increase engagement and spend among the 36 million loyalty members. Importantly, this renewal will reinforce our industry-leading position in the beauty vertical. We have a demonstrated track record of growth that was important to Ulta for our continued relationship. Our breadth of lending products provides customer choice, increases top of the funnel conversion, while allowing Ulta to optimize the product mix for lifetime customer value. We have also renewed our relationship with Toyota, a preferred Gen Z brand, and Lexus, which further extends the growth of our diversified portfolios. With these renewals, nearly 90% of our year-end receivable balances, excluding BJs, are now under contract through 2023. This clarity should provide additional confidence on our long-term receivables outlook and overall growth potential. Additionally, we continue to successfully add new online merchants through our direct acquisition platform channels, doubling new merchant additions in the fourth quarter compared to the third quarter. This success provides additional merchant diversification, and it's another source of our ongoing growth. A select few of the partners added to the platform are displayed on the right side of the slide. Also, our strategic partnerships continue to progress with new merchant additions to the RBC platform as well as to the Fiserv platform pilot in the fourth quarter. We will be better positioned to provide additional details on the platform activities for Fiserv as we move from pilot stage to a full rollout, and for Sezzle and Wayfair following our expected launch in the first half of 2022. We continue to monitor the changing buy now, pay later landscape, particularly in split pay or pay in four environment. As with any business, the consumer, economic, competitive, and regulatory landscape is continuously changing. However, the vast majority of our platform, businesses, and pipeline opportunities are aligned with our digital installment lending product, where the returns and growth opportunities remain strong. We will remain responsible and disciplined with adding new partners to ensure we are receiving acceptable lifetime customer returns. We remain the only provider who is primarily focused on deeply integrating with merchants and partners, allowing the customer to stay on the merchant's site throughout the shopping journey rather than being directed to a third party site or app. This is an important distinction. As many third party sites promote multiple merchant offers and their number one priority is having their app downloaded so they become the entry point of the shopping journey. This ultimately disintermediates the merchant. Our number one priority is sales conversion for our brand partners. We've launched bank-compliant products that follow regulatory guidance, have strong underwriting discipline, lower-cost funding, and industry experience that gives us confidence in making the appropriate responsible decisions to drive long-term shareholder growth. Finally, I am confident that with a full spectrum of lending products, We can compete, win, and drive growth with any size partner or merchant, from large brands like Victoria's Secret, Signet, and Ulta to smaller merchants. Our ability to drive strong results for our many brand partners has been and will continue to be the key to our success. I'll now turn it over to our CFO, Perry Bieberman, to review the financials and our outlook for 2022. Perry? Thanks, Ralph.
spk14: As a result of the loyalty venture spinoff, our income statement and balance sheet have been recast with the loyalty one segment and spin-related items reflected as discontinued operations. As you can see on slide six, this impacted net income for the quarter by $44 million, which was primarily comprised of related transaction costs, the release of a net investment hedge, and allocated interest expense. The remainder of the slides will focus on the continuing operations portion of the business. Slide seven provides our fourth quarter highlights. Credit sales were up 15% year-over-year to $8.8 billion as consumer spending continued to recover. Average receivables were up 2%, driven by strong credit sales and the recovery economy providing for year-over-year momentum as we enter 2022. Revenue for the quarter was $855 million, and income from continuing operations was $61 million. Revenue increased 11% year over year, while total non-interest expenses declined 12%. The looted EPS from continuing operations of $1.21 was impacted by higher provision for credit losses primarily due to provision bill of $187 million for continued portfolio growth and the seasonal increase in year-end receivables. Credit metrics remain strong with net loss and delinquency rates of 4.4% and 3.9% respectively for the quarter. Moving to slide eight. Slide eight highlights the key financial metrics for the full year. Credit sales were up 20% year-over-year to $29.6 billion. Revenue for the year was $3.3 billion, and income from continuing operations was $797 million. Revenue was nearly flat year-over-year, while total non-interest expenses declined 3%. Diluted EPS from continuing operations of $15.95 improved 3%. driven by a lower provision for credit losses due to lower credit losses and a lower reserve rate at year end. Our net loss rate was 4.6 percent for the year, remaining well below our historical average. Turning to slide nine. As part of our ongoing efforts to provide additional transparency and comparability in our reporting, we have transitioned our financial reporting to more closely align with the presentation of traditional bank holding companies. Looking at the fourth quarter financials, total interest income was up 7% from the previous year, attributed to higher average receivable balances and improved loan yields. Total interest expense improved 24% due to continued improvement in our cost of funds, which you can see on the following slide. Non-interest income, which primarily includes merchant discount fees and interchange revenue, net of the impact from our share agreements and customer awards, declined slightly in the quarter, driven by higher credit sales activity. Total non-interest expenses declined 12% year-over-year in the fourth quarter, largely due to $1.48 million real estate optimization activities in the fourth quarter of 2020, partially offset by a 15% increase in employee compensation and benefits costs in 2021. The increase in employee costs were driven primarily by continued digital and technology modernization-related hiring, as well as higher volume-related staffing levels. We have provided additional details on a new expense driver slide in the appendix of the slide deck. Overall income from continuing operations was down 18% for the quarter, driven by a provision bill of $187 million this quarter versus a relief of $82 million in the fourth quarter of 2020, while pre-tax, pre-provision earnings, or PPNR, improved 52% year-over-year, as you can see on the graph to the right of the page. We are pleased with the PPNR growth over the last three quarters and expect this momentum of year-over-year PPNR growth to continue into 2022 as we profitably grow our portfolio and improve our efficiency. Turning to slide 10. As part of our updated financial presentation and quarterly disclosures, we're providing increased transparency into the components of our net interest margin, or NIM. The left side of the slide highlights our earning asset yields and balances. Fourth quarter loan yield came in stronger than we had expected in October as consumer payment behavior begins to gradually move back towards pre-pandemic levels, excluding the impact of Fed rate increases. We expect loan yield to remain fairly steady this year as the benefit from payment normalization is offset by continued growth of our co-brand and proprietary products. On the liability side, we continue to benefit from the maturity of our longer-dated funding as new balances are added at current lower rates. As you can see from the stacked bars on the bottom right, our direct-to-consumer deposits have grown from 6% of our average interest-bearing liabilities in the first quarter of 2020 to 15% this last quarter. As this growth continues, we anticipate our cost of funds continuing to improve in the first quarter. However, once interest rates begin to rise, the benefits from lower cost of funds will reduce. Overall, rate increases will be nominally accretive to the net interest margin as variable priced assets slightly offset increases in funding costs. Moving to slide 11. I will start in the upper left. Our delinquency rate increased 10 basis points versus the previous quarter due to normal seasonal trends. On a year-over-year basis, the delinquency rate was down 50 basis points. On the upper right, You can see that we had a loss rate of 4.4% for the quarter, still well below historical averages. Turning to the bottom left of the page, our allowance increased sequentially due to seasonal balances. The overall reserve rate remained steady at 10.5%. We anticipate that the reserve rate will stay in this range until greater economic certainty emerges. Lastly, On the bottom right-hand side of the page, our revolving credit risk distribution was consistent with the third quarter. Our risk mix and associated delinquency and losses are the result of our ongoing thoughtful management of our book, as well as the strong payment rates indicative of the general health of the consumer. We expect these rates will begin to trend back towards historical averages in 2022 as COVID-related federal stimulus programs wind down. Slide 12 provides our financial outlook for full year 2022. We remain optimistic for a steady normalization of both economic activity and consumer behavior, and we remain vigilant in monitoring COVID conditions and the impact on consumers and our brand partners. Our outlook assumes a moderation in consumer payments throughout 2022, with payment rate volatility leading to the ranges provided. Four Fed rate increases are included in our 2022 outlook, with our models indicating that these rate hikes would result in a nominal benefit to total net interest income in 2022. Our full-year average receivables are expected to grow high single to low double digits as continued sales momentum, net brand partner addition, and direct-to-consumer products will drive strong growth. we expect year-end 2022 year-over-year receivables growth to be slightly stronger than our average receivables growth. As Rob said, our previously provided outlook contemplated the BJA's non-renewal. Timing of the BJA's relationship wind down will likely cause some quarterly volatility within our forecast, but that does not have an impact on our long-term outlook of $20 billion in average receivables for the full year of 2023. We expect revenue growth to be aligned with average receivables growth in 2022. Net interest income growth is expected to be slightly favorable to average receivables growth, as our NIM benefits from lower funding costs earlier in the year. This change in year-over-year non-interest income is anticipated to offset the slight favorability in net interest income. Note that, conservatively, Our guidance does not include any potential impact from the monetization of our 19% equity stake in Loyalty Ventures or any potential gains from portfolio sales. We are targeting modest full-year positive operating leverage in 2022. As Ralph already mentioned, we plan for incremental strategic investment over $125 million in technology modernization, digital advancement, marketing, product innovation to fuel growth opportunities and future operating efficiencies. A large portion of the investment is expected in employee expense as we continue to hire digital engineers and data scientists to drive our continued business transformation. We also plan for higher marketing expenses in 2022 as a result of portfolio growth, new partnerships, and new products. information processing costs will increase as a result of our ongoing technology modernization, including the conversion of our core processing to Fiserv this year. Our strategic investments will be thoughtfully balanced with our revenue growth outlook. We're making investments now to stay ahead from a technology perspective in today's dynamic environment. Regarding our net loss rate, both loss and delinquency rates were historical lows in 2021. We expect credit metrics to begin to gradually normalize throughout 2022. We anticipate that the full year 2022 loss rate will remain in the low to mid 5% range, still well below historical averages. As we discussed at our investor event last year, our disciplined portfolio and partner management focus on risk-reward trade-off enabled us to drive profitability and growth even at slightly higher loss rates. I would also reiterate our confidence in our long-term outlook on average through the cycle net loss rate below our historical average of 6%. Overall, we are excited for the opportunities in front of us for 2022. We're making thoughtful investments and decisions to ensure we're driving long-term value creation for our shareholders. Operator, We are now ready to open up the lines for questions.
spk00: Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad now. If you change your mind, it is star followed by two. When preparing to ask your question, please ensure your phone is unmuted locally. Our first question comes from Sanjay Thackeray of KBW. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
spk01: Thanks. Good morning. How are you guys? I had a couple of questions just on the marketplace. Obviously, it's very competitive, and you guys have had wins and losses, and while we don't know what this other win might be, but Ralph, maybe you could just talk about what this means, right? Because some of the losses you have are good customers, and they were merchants that were growing well. We obviously don't know what you're getting, but Maybe you could just talk about what the dynamics are and how competitive it is and how you expect to win going forward.
spk13: Of course, Sanjay. So the nature of our business is you have wins and losses. That's the business we're in. And what makes me confident and successful is we have far more wins and renewals than losses. So if you think about 2021, it was a banner year for us. Double-digit renewals, double-digit wins. You know, when you lose something, you put it behind you. You plan for it, and you put it behind you, and we did that. But if you look about the wins we just talked about today, Michaels, NFL, B&H, and Ulta as a renewal, thousands of locations, national brands with millions, literally tens of millions of customers and loyalists. That's our sweet spot. We are going to grow that for our existing and new partners. That's what we focus on. And the flexibility of our business enables us to compete with the big guys, and some of the things we talk about are takeaways from the big guys, and also small and midsize and to grow those partners as well. So, you know, you never like to lose a partner, but you move forward with new partners and renewals, and we have a broad product set that really appeals to to, you know, new partners. And as we renew, we just demonstrate to our partners, like also, that we're going to grow the pie and lean in hard on digital and, you know, omni-channel servicing.
spk01: Okay. And then just to follow up, Ralph, you mentioned the regulatory pressures on buy now, pay later, and some of the merchants actually viewing them as disintermediators. I'm just curious how you think this shakes out. I know you guys have a little bit of a hedged model, but do the merchants get it? And how are they responding to that?
spk13: Yeah, I think the merchants are starting to get it. Last year, there was a little desperation in the marketplace. They wanted, you know, volume. And I think buy now, pay later gives them that volume. But it's that second and next transaction that the merchants aren't seeing. And I think that's causing them some pause. as I mentioned you know the buy now pay later space is very competitive now it's on the regulatory scrutiny and you know it's all about I want to be you know I want to be the entry point we're very different we have partnerships we want to drive that next transaction with our partners and we've been in this business for a long time you know we built a regulatory product we know what the regulations are we know how to underwrite you know and and I think for us That gives us a really good hedge and a really good advantage going forward because we're ready to go with a compliance product, and others are going to have to pay a little bit of catch-up, and they're under a little bit of scrutiny.
spk01: I appreciate that. Thank you.
spk13: The other thing, Sanjay, before we get off this question, if you think about our product, it's split pay. and installment loan, installment lending. So installment lending is a place where there's real profitability for us. You know, we'll be in a split-pay business, but installment lending is where there's real profitability and growth.
spk15: Got it. Thank you. Thank you.
spk00: Our next question comes from Bob Napoli of William Blair. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
spk09: Thank you. Good morning. So just on your long-term ROE targets, are you going to have an ROE target or what should be the return on equity for this company? I mean, are you going to give EPS? Do you plan to give EPS guidance? I know you give all the pieces, but I just wondered if you were going to take that a step further.
spk14: Yeah, I don't think we're going to be planning to give an EPS target at any point in the near term. But, you know, we have previously communicated that, mid to high 20s in our long-term plan, and that's what we're building the business for. You heard Ralph talk about we're focused on profitability, and that holds true for our partner renewals, new products that we launch, the partnerships. That's what we're focused on. Now, with that said, I think you all know from looking at your models, the faster you grow, you put on a little bit more of that CECL growth tax, but that, you know, you moderate growth in the long term, that kind of dissipates. So, you know, I think you're going to see a little bit lower ROE when you're in high growth mode, and then it'll temper. But the long-term targets of what we're building towards is absolutely, you know, that mid to high 20s.
spk09: Thank you. And I guess the ALTA renewal, congratulations on that. And this follows on Sanjay's question on the industry. What were the economics? How different were the economics on ALTA? And I guess mid to high 20s ROE speaks to what your view is of the economics of the industry. But has there been – I know if you go back years ago, portfolios never – you know, rarely changed hands. I mean, that changed significantly. But how is the economics on the ultra-renewal, and how do you feel about the economics for the overall industry moderating?
spk13: We feel the ultra-economics were fair for both sides. And when you enter a partnership, a renewable partnership, that's exactly what you want. We demonstrated that we're growing that portfolio, and we'll continue to grow that portfolio. And our enhanced product suite, Again, with confirmation for that. So we are thrilled. It is a high-growth vertical for us, and we will grow the overall pie, so there will be benefits for both Ulta and us. And so we feel very comfortable about that new relationship and the renewal.
spk09: Thanks. Just to sneak in one last one, and following up on Buy Now, Pay Later, Ralph, do you feel like the model is settled for ADS or for the industry, the profit model? I mean, there's some big players out there that I think it's still moving around on the discount rate versus the interest income and other fee income. But how confident are you in the profit model around buy now, pay later?
spk13: So if I kind of – buy now, pay later. To me, there's two parts, right? You have installment loan. And I think, yes, an installment loan is settled and there's profitability and growth there. So I think, yeah, from that perspective, it is settled. I think with buy now, pay later, which is, you know, four payments and so forth, a lot of work to be done. I think that market is still unsettled. You know, and particularly from a compliance perspective, right? So, you know, there's a little bit of regulatory pressure. You know, for us, you know, we're used to that regulatory pressure. We've had it for years, and we respond to it well. But I think that split pay, and I want to be particular, you know, be specific on these, you know, the, you know, for pay and that split pay is where I think there's some unsettlement. But installment loan, I think, has been around for a very long time. We have a very, you know, digital, flexible platform, and we see growth there.
spk14: Yeah, and I would add to what Ralph said. You know, the installment loan product has a bigger ticket, and we know how to underwrite that, whereas your split pay tends to be lower. And, you know, so when you think about where we're going to lean in and grow, we're going to do it responsibly and we'll be advantageous at the right time. So if split pay looks like it's not providing the economics you want, we're not going to lean in as much there. So we'll throttle up and down, but we're ready to pounce when the market settles out on split pay. Thank you.
spk00: Our next question comes from Bill Kokesh of Wolf Research. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
spk16: Good morning, Bill. Hi. Good morning. So, Ralph and Perry, What... Thanks for the additional disclosures in the deck. What would you view as your steady state reserve rate, given your risk appetite and expectation of some 6% through the cycle NCOs? You said, Barry, I believe it should hold at 10.5% until there's greater clarity. So does that suggest that you'd expect it to eventually move lower once we move beyond the pandemic? It seems like you have lower loss content in your book than you did on day one, but now appear to be running with higher reserves. Maybe if you could just frame for us.
spk14: Thanks, Bill. Great question. I think when we spoke last quarter, we had said from our position, trying to be cautious given the degree of uncertainty. And if you think about last quarter, COVID cases have gone up 5x since that point. Omicron took off, and it was pretty prudent that we held that posture. So now as we're moving through this, we're starting to, again, we're in a position where we're trying to wait and see. and be prudent with that. Now, remember, we're only 12% to 13% above day one, you know, CECL reserve rate. Others are still above 20%, some are obviously less, but I think everybody's taking a different position, and there's a number of different possible outcomes. You know, our customers benefited more greatly from the government stimulus, and so we're going to be – you're going to see us probably have an earlier normalization And so what happens in the next three to six months will help drive that. But I would expect is we're, you know, as you said and as I said, we are going to have a, you know, through the cycle loss rate, you know, below the 6% average. You know, that would give us a good line of sight that at some point we should be able, you know, start to reduce that reserve rate, all else being poor.
spk16: Thank you. That's very helpful. Separately, can you discuss how you're thinking about the relative importance of starting up the buyback again on one hand and on the other, building capital back up to peer levels where CET1 gets up to that, call it 10% to 11% range at the enterprise level? And then just, I guess, extending maybe the question that Bob asked earlier about ROE, could you maybe just close the loop on us and tell us what that translates into in terms of ROTCE? Thanks.
spk14: Yeah, let me comment on the buyback. I mean, you know, Ralph's talked about it in the past. You know, when we think about capital, number one is growing this business. We're going to pull the capital for growth and then make sure we're getting the right returns. And then over time, we obviously need to get our capital ratios up to, we'll call it peer levels, where it should be. And then at that point, you know, we'll be able to put in front of the board options for a buyback program. And, you know, I think the only thing we're giving guidance around right now is total ROE. So that's consistent with what we've said. You know, the mid-20s ROE is consistent.
spk13: You know, we said that, you know, our view is we'll get there in 2023 when we get there responsibly. And buyback's important to us, use of capital, continue to grow the business, pay down our remaining debt, and then obviously return to shareholders, whether it's dividend or buyback. And we'll put that in front of the board when appropriate. Our balance sheet is strengthening. It just got a shot of adrenaline with the spin-off. We'll continue to do that. And when we believe our ratios are appropriate, we'll put that in front of the board.
spk16: That's very helpful. Thank you for taking my questions.
spk00: The next question comes from Mirhir Bhatia of Bank of America. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
spk03: Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. First, let me just also add my thanks for the incremental disclosures in the presentation, and I really hope you'll continue to provide those consistently going forward. Maybe, look, I understand you can't talk about a specific renewal or make any announcements. around 9-10% of your receivables if the press reports are right. You can imagine there's a little bit of consternation with your investors. So maybe talk broadly about a couple of things. First, should the expectation be that DJS gets backfilled with one of your big portfolio announcements, or is it going to be a series of smaller announcements? And then just in terms of your pipeline with regard to 2022 opportunities, are there certain verticals or products that you are focusing on 2022? And then just lastly on the same topic is just about future non-renewals contemplated in the guidance. Are there more non-renewals we should be aware of that could happen in 2022 or 2023? Thank you.
spk13: Wow, that's a long question. Let's see if I can take all those parts. So, listen, this will probably be my final comment about PJs. You know, nobody likes to lose a partner, but, you know, they're in our rearview mirror. quite frankly. We will do what's appropriate and have an integral separation from the company, but at the end of the day, our focus is on growth. The new partners we talked about, the NFL, Michaels, B&H, TPC, Alter Renewal, and then what we have yet to announce. Now, we're not going to announce something prematurely, but I will tell you that our guidance hasn't changed. Our guidance contemplated a loss of a partner and an addition of partners, and our growth comes from organic and inorganic, and we are confident in our 2022 guidance and that $20 billion of average receivables in 2023. So, as I said, we're focused on the future and the future of the partners we mentioned today in the renewals, and the partners we'll mention and announce during 2022.
spk14: Yeah, and then to add on to what Ralph said, you asked a question around additional products. We talked about this before, diversifying our product set, growing installment lending, proprietary card products. So that combined, again, those strategies all in. We're sticking to the strategies we've laid out and executing against those, and that's what will drive us to the targets around receivables growth.
spk03: Roger. And then I guess just to confirm, Maybe you don't want to answer, but are there any other non-renewals contemplated for 2022? I think you already said that.
spk13: Your question had so many parts I forgot them. My apologies. Sorry, I apologize. No worries. Listen, all I would say is 90% of our A&R through 2023 is secure. So you could do the math from that. You could make inferences from that. Got it.
spk14: Got it. That doesn't mean 10% are not renewing. It just means that those are still yet to be worked on and are being worked on for continued renewal.
spk03: Got it. That's helpful. And then just the last one was, I guess just switching topics maybe completely, just on credit. Are you seeing, we've heard from One other issue about a little bit of different pace of normalization between different FICO buckets. I mean, to be clear, nothing to be worried about, but they're starting to see some differences. Are you seeing the same thing? Anything worth calling out there? And then I'll just stop there. Thank you.
spk14: Yeah, and I think I mentioned that earlier a little bit, right? If you think about that, you know, we have a concentration in the private label space. You know, our consumers who are, say, more near prime are seeing a little bit faster normalization than those customers that are high risk scores, that are really strong, that have more transactive behaviors. And, you know, to give context, if you think about that there's still close to 2%, to $2.5 trillion of savings pent up out there. That's sitting in the – let's put it this way. It wasn't directed to the low-income folks or the near prime. It's sitting out in those savings accounts. People who need to spend the money have spent the money, and the stimulus is unwinding. So that's where you're starting to see that. And with us, we've got a balanced portfolio, and we've got the mix of both. So we can see what's happening to the full spectrum of those customers. But that's what's driving our delinquency up, say, a little bit sooner. But I will tell you this. We're actually better than we thought we were going to be at this point right now with the most recent quarter. So things are normalizing, but I think we're very positive on the outlook.
spk03: Thank you.
spk00: The next question is from Jeff Adelston of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
spk02: Good morning, Jeff. Hi. Good morning, guys. Just as we think about the loan growth target for this year, I know you guys have spoken in the past about your long-term loan growth or receivables growth being roughly two-thirds coming from organic growth, one-third from inorganic growth. Are you thinking about a similar mix of growth this year and then I know we're basically done with the BJ questions, but is there anything you can do to help us with the timing of that portfolio? I think that there's some speculation that's more of an August date. Anything you can help us think through the timing and growth map there would be helpful.
spk14: Yeah, I think as you think about the how we're growing, there's absolutely a mixture of organic and inorganic, and that will – vary in any given year, any given quarter based on the business development activity that we have. I really can't comment specifically on that. In a year like this, you've got a net going out. We've got the net positive coming in. We're going to be net up overall. The wins and losses, they net. How we get there is probably a bit more on the organic side when you think about the netting of the wins and losses of the partners. In terms of the timing of the non-renewal, that's something that is in active discussion and something we can't comment on, but there definitely will add a little volatility into whatever quarter that happens in. We do have a central view in our guidance that we've provided.
spk02: Understood. And then just maybe switching to expenses, I know you've given the guide for modest full-year operating leverage in 22. Are you guys thinking about targeting potentially an efficiency ratio over the medium-long term as you kind of continue along this path? I think you're at a 50% right now, and your peers are more in the 40% or so range.
spk14: Yeah, I think if we deliver positive operating leverage, And that's the goal. What Ralph and I talked about is we want to give the team flexibility to invest in our future. And if revenues come in a lot stronger this year, we may lean in harder to be opportunistic on those investments. But the investments that we're making will provide continued long-term revenue growth, and at the same time, we have a big portion of investments that are driving efficiencies in our cost to serve. So our expectation is over the long haul, we expect an improvement in our efficiency ratio.
spk02: Thanks for your questions, guys. Thank you.
spk00: The next question comes from John Hecht of Jefferies. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
spk15: Morning, guys, and thanks for taking my questions. Your yield increased nicely in the second half of 2021, and I'm wondering how much of that was whether it was mix or fee, there was enhancements from some fees, maybe from some contribution from bread. And then outside of rate hikes, what might influence that yield in 2022? Sure.
spk14: So one of the biggest things that's happening is some of the payment behavior is starting to normalize. And when you think about payment rates normalizing, you know, the rollover behavior, some additional delinquency, drive some fees. So, you know, that starts to normalize it. And that will, you know, happen in, you know, say the near term throughout 2022. But at the same time, your product makes shifts occurring. And so when you put on higher credit quality, co-brands and proprietary cards often comes with lower yield, but also lower losses. So when you think about the interplay between revenue yield and credit losses, they have to be looked at in tandem.
spk15: Okay. That's helpful. Thanks. And then second, I mean, your commentary, Brett, is interesting. The installment component, it's profitable, but the split pay is, you know, you perceive it as potentially not profitable. What about the split pay is not profitable? Is it skip payments? Is it customer acquisition? Is it cost to manage the process? I'm just interested because that's an interesting take on that product relative to other things we've heard.
spk13: Yeah. Let me clarify that. It can be profitable if it's done correctly, right? And I think that, to me, is our focus is to do it correctly and and make sure that we are compliant, we're not chasing transactors, that there's an ability to cross-sell, that there's our ability to extend the relationship with the customer. That's how you do it. It's stickiness and longevity, and that's why I think we have the right product for the merchants because it's about driving that next transaction, not just loading an app and just to mediate the merchant. We're on the merchant side. And I think the profitability is going to evolve and mature. It's going to be a mature market. It's a hot new market that's starting to settle. You know a market's starting to settle when it gets the attention of the regulators. quite frankly. And, you know, we anticipated that. That's why we spent, you know, the right amount of time making sure that we had a compliant bank product that could stand the test of review. And that, I think, gives us a good advantage, and that's how you do it.
spk15: Okay. Appreciate that, guys. Thanks very much.
spk00: The next question is from Mengji Hao of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
spk07: Hi, good morning, Ralph and Perry. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to sort of get your thoughts on in-store versus digital. I mean, clearly we've seen the second quarter of last year was a benefit to online, but that's sort of fallen back down to roughly in-store levels or even below. I guess my question is, why do you think that percentage of digital sales hasn't really been sticky? Do you guys feel it necessary to sort of increase this in these current levels? And if so, how would you accomplish that?
spk13: Yeah, it's interesting. I think there's a strong social aspect to purchasing. People like to go in the store, feel something, try it on. I'll speak for myself. It's hard for me to buy soft goods online. I like to go and feel and see what it is. So I think there's some social aspect to that. I think digital will always be important. You know, I think people have gotten used to the hybrid model now, the in-store model and the digital model, and people will pivot based on, you know, based on the environment. But importantly, when they pivot, we are there to pivot with them. So, you know, I think it'll, you know, as long as they're transacting with us, whether it's digital or in-store, we're happy and we can accommodate them.
spk07: Got you. Great. And then... I guess, Perry, a question for you. I wanted to follow up on your comments regarding deposit costs, specifically the lower cost of funding in 2022. Can you give us more color on the cost of deposits and how they'll trend from current levels, especially as you mentioned date hikes or to begin later this year?
spk14: Yeah, I think when you think about The deposits, what we've talked about in the past, is a large part of the loan growth, the receivables growth that we're going to see over the coming year or two are going to be funded by more direct-to-consumer deposits. So when you look at the rates of our funding for different instruments, we're replacing – or I say not replacing, but we are growing into a lower – cost of funds product than other instruments. Now, as it depends on how far rates rise, you know, in terms of what that guidance would look like, you know, we've modeled in four rate hikes, so we'll see some early period benefits as we fund, you know, the growth with deposits. But remember, our assets are largely variable rate as well, so as cost of funds go up on deposits, you know, they're offset by increases for a variable portion of the portfolio.
spk07: Gotcha. Great. And then just one quick one. Sorry about that. Have you sort of seen any impact from Omicron recently and how sales have tended relative to that in January? Thank you.
spk13: Yeah, so, you know, sales were strong in the fourth quarter. But Per and I mentioned the 15%, you know, year-over-year growth. We did see sales growth in, you know, early days. We saw some sales growth in January. But you can see that Omicron is having a bit of an effect on growth.
spk07: Thank you for taking the questions.
spk14: Yeah, and I would add to that is, you know, just as the last time, we're very confident going forward. I mean, this spike in Omicron is going to pass. It's already, you know, should start to settle out. And, candidly, we're surprised at the extent it didn't slow people down through the holiday season and more recently. But I think it's as much of an impact as, you know, people being able to get into work as it is their desire to shop. So, you know, we feel confident, and I think now that we've seen it, with two different variants that this will pass.
spk13: I think the last thing I'll say is people are now shopping with a purpose. You know, when they go to, you know, they're not browsing, they're shopping. And so that gives us confidence in our sales projections.
spk00: The next question comes from John Pancani of Evercore ISI. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
spk12: Morning. I know you had indicated that your guidance assumes the non-renewal on VJs. Just one clarification, does that mean that you do assume that the back book is sold as well, not just the discontinuation of the relationship for the new purchases?
spk13: Well, you know, we can't specifically talk about anything within the, you know, about the contract with BJ's. But, you know, typical in these transactions, the back book is often, you know, considered for sale.
spk12: Got it. Okay. All right. Thanks for clarifying. And then separately, on the revenue share agreements, could you possibly help size up where your RSA stands now from a ratio perspective, and then maybe give us a thought on the trajectory, how we should think about that if we are able to begin modeling that out here. Thanks.
spk14: Yeah, so right now the RSA is included in our non-interest income, and you should think about that as largely growing in line with credit sales. Again, there's a lot of different unique relationships, but if I was looking to give you a proxy, I would use that as a proxy.
spk12: Okay. All right. Thanks. And then lastly, in terms of the rate assumptions, I know you indicated you have four rate hikes dialed in. Can you just maybe help us with the sensitivity to your net interest income from a 25 basis point increase in rates?
spk14: Yeah. So it will vary over time, right? I mean, so that's the sensitivity. What I would tell you is, you know, we've indicated it is a nominal impact. So it's a slightly accretive. But again, it goes back to there's a point in time where if it goes up dramatically, you know, there may be a different view. But in the near term, for what's expected with the four rate increases in 2022, you could think about that as nominally accretive.
spk12: Got it. Okay. Thanks for taking my question.
spk00: The next question comes from Bill Ryan of Seaport Global. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
spk10: Good morning. A couple of questions. One, in the guidance you talk about non-interest income, year-over-year change expected to offset the favorability in net interest income. I wonder if you could elaborate on that a little bit more. It kind of falls along the last question. Is that anticipation of a little bit higher RSAs or rewards on your new proprietary card, credit sales, if you could just kind of provide some color on that. And then second, Has there been any geography change in the revenue recognition associated with bread in the new presentation format? Because I believe you were putting it all in the effective yield under the prior presentation format.
spk14: Thank you. So, you know, MDF is in non-interest income for bread. So I'll mention the bread one first. So, you know, that's where we have that sitting. As it relates to your question on the RSA. That will go up with sales. And your proprietary card is another growth piece. So if we have incentives to grow a proprietary card or customer rewards, those things are typical of what you would see in there. Again, that's netted against interchange income that we would receive. And then for the yield component of bread products, that is in NII. Okay.
spk10: Thank you.
spk00: The next question comes from Dominic Gabriel of Oppenheimer. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
spk05: Hey, great. Thanks so much for taking my question. So if we just think about the credit sales growth year over year that you would need, that you're kind of assuming that would reach you to your roughly $20 billion
spk14: um average balance in 2023 how should we think how should we think about that um that growth rate and then i just have a follow-up thanks yeah i mean i think of it as you know in terms of the general rule of thumb it'll grow in line with average receivables growth now that that can depend on product mix and revolving balances so you know if we put on A lot more transactors, the spend would have to grow faster to achieve that. But if you put on more PLCC that has high revolve, those bounces will grow in line. So overall, I think it's a good proxy to think about it growing in line with average receivables guidance.
spk05: Great. That makes a lot of sense. And I guess if we just think about, you know, MasterCard just reported U.S. credit sales of up 33% year over year in the U.S. If we think about that number in general purpose in general versus private label growth in credit card and some of the dynamics that are playing out between consumer desires as you look, you know, at the shift in spend, maybe you could just talk about where that's been How do you think that might affect your business going forward as a shift in spend, maybe experience versus store sales? Anything that could help us understand just general positioning and whatnot. Thanks so much.
spk13: Really appreciate it. You know, I saw that data, and, you know, some of that I would think is pent-up travel demand, some of that spend. You know, and I think, you know, travel demand is a big ticket, and I think some of that demand was that. So I was very comfortable with 20% year-over-year growth And our portfolio, that portfolio was both private label and our general purpose cards. So a 20% average is really healthy without travel as a dominant factor. I think if you look at two of our growing verticals, jewelry and beauty, those grew 30% year over year in the fourth quarter. So I am, you know, I think there is growth there, but I think that, you know, some of that was, you know, that 30-plus number was some pent-up travel command.
spk05: Thanks so much. Appreciate it.
spk00: The next question comes from Reggie Smith of J.P. Morgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
spk06: Hey, good morning, guys. Thank you for taking my question. Not to beat a dead horse, I know folks have asked about the number of ways. My question, not to be specific to DJ, but I wanted to know when I think about those types of retail relationships where a debt card had a pretty rich reward feature, And I would assume, correct me if I'm wrong, the APR is probably below, I guess, your line average yield for the company. And so, I guess my question is, is it safe to, or am I wrong to assume that, you know, probably the economic impact would be less than, you know, with reported kind of headline, percentage of your portfolio. Am I thinking about that right, or am I being a little, am I missing something there?
spk13: Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, traditionally with co-brands, the margins are thinner, and they get thinner on renewal. so you know i think your your assumptions are directionally correct that you know while it is you know it it you know as they reported a a portfolio of size that the profitability wasn't equal to the portfolio to the size of the portfolio uh the way i think about it um so you know it's a you know there's transactors in that portfolio um and uh the impact well bottom line uh Again, we planned for it, and the significance wasn't as great as the loss would indicate.
spk14: Yeah, and I would add to what Ralph said and your comment. I mean, these are highly competitive deals, and there's a point where the team walks away from the deal because it's addition by subtraction. I'll say we're not going to be specific to this partner, but sometimes the right decision for the company is to not pursue at any cost.
spk06: I know you guys talked about the payment rate kind of normalizing next year, beginning to normalize. Are you seeing anything in the pockets of your portfolio that kind of support that notion beyond, you know, the obvious pieces that everybody thinks is the payment rate for society? Are you seeing anything at this point yet? Anything worth calling out? And I apologize if this has been covered. um already and then my last question you can kind of bundle them together um with the new wins that were announced uh what if any impact did great capabilities have on on those wins was it was it top of mind with you know some of those uh those new partners are those going to be you know at some time this kind of legacy
spk13: Thank you. So let me answer the last question first, then I'll turn it over to Perry for the payment rate question. So, you know, when we talk to new partners and renewals, we lead with a basket of products and capabilities. You know, we give the partner choice. So as we sign these partners, you know, it's primarily a card deal, and, of course, we're good at that, and we demonstrate how we can grow the pie. But with each of these partners, certainly the bread capabilities, particularly around installment loan, is under negotiation, and we'll work with them to implement that. One of the things that we do is, you know, when we get a new partner, you install that digital suite. So, you know, all of our products become, you know, ease of integration. And that's the important part. So, you know, we offer the partner choice. We offer the customer choice. And the ease of integration of that choice is, you know, makes it easier for us to, you know, bring more products to the consumer and to the partner.
spk14: Yeah. And I'll answer, you know, your question on your payment rate. And we spoke about that earlier. You may have missed it. You know, we believe payment rates are going to normalize. We're starting to see. some of that from where they peaked out in midway this past year. So that is starting to occur. I wish we had a crystal ball where we could see what that was going to be and exactly when, but that's why we gave guidance in our AR range. If payment rates remain really high, it could be on the lower side. If they come in better, it will be on the high side. So I think we're all across the industry trying to figure that out, and we're all watching it.
spk00: The final question comes from Vincent Cantick of Stevens. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
spk04: Hey, thanks for taking my question. Just one quick one. On the receivables guidance, so the 10% year-over-year that excludes BJs, I guess if I were to use the news reports number of the BJs portfolio size, that implies that the the rest of your portfolio is growing at 20 percent year-over-year for 2022. So, I guess first, you know, maybe if you could talk about, if you're able to give the BJA side to talk about whether that math is directionally correct. And if so, you know, the sustainability of that growth rate going into 2023, I think, you know, might seem that maybe the at least $20 billion might be conservative, if that's sustainable. Thank you.
spk14: Mr. Yeah, let me just reiterate. We've given guidance in high single to low double-digit growth in our receivables. We're not going to comment on the size of the non-renewable or the timing of when that might happen. But what we can tell you is we have a good line of sight into our pipeline that We understand our product strategy and growth strategy and are very confident in achieving the range that we've put out there. And what that means to the following year is, you know, we're going to work on the pipeline for that year. We have plans in place to achieve the $20 billion. Okay. Understood.
spk13: Thank you. Good. I want to thank you all for joining today and your continued interest in Alliance data. I must say, 2021 was a transformational year for Lionstead, and we look forward to building our success in 2022 and beyond. Thank you all, and everybody have a terrific day.
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