AerCap Holdings N.V.

Good day and welcome to AirCap's Q2 2025 financial results. Today's conference is being recorded and a transcript will be available following the call on the company's website. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Joseph McGinley, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you, operator, and hello, everyone. Welcome to our second quarter 2025 conference call. With me today is our Chief Executive Officer, Angus Kelly, and our Chief Financial Officer, Pete Yuhas. Before we begin today's call, I would like to remind you that some statements made during this conference call, which are not historical facts, may be forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results or events to differ materially from those expressed or implied in such statements. AirCap undertakes no obligation other than that, imposed by law, to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect future events, information, or circumstances that arise after this call. Further information concerning issues that could materially affect performance can be found in AirCap's earnings release dated August 30th, 2025. A copy of the earnings release and conference call presentation are available on our website at aircap.com. This call is open to the public and is being webcast simultaneously at aircap.com and will be archived for replay. We will shortly run through our earnings presentation and will allow time at the end for Q&A. As a reminder, I would ask that analysts limit themselves to one question and one follow-up. I will now turn the call over to Angus Kelly.

Thank you

for joining us

for our second quarter 2025 earnings call. We are pleased to report a record quarter of earnings generating gap net income of $1.3 billion and earnings per share of $7.09. This reflects strong execution and demand for our assets, as well as the successful outcome in our contingent and possessed insurance case in the commercial court in London in June. Adjusted net income was $502 million and adjusted EPS was $2.83. Given these strong results and our improved outlook for the year ahead, we have increased our 2025 full year adjusted EPS guidance again today. Global passenger traffic continues to grow, led by APAC and the Middle East. In the US, domestic traffic declined after slower growth in April, but international traffic performed better, demonstrating the resilience of long haul demand. This phenomenon of international growth outpacing domestic growth is a trend that we've seen throughout the year and around the world. On the aircraft side, we continue to see strong demand from our customers despite the uncertainty regarding tariffs and trade. This is evidenced by our 99% utilization rate and 97% extension rate in the second quarter. These high levels of utilization and extension rates have persisted over recent years, resulting in more options on placements and stronger returns overall. In fact, across the 30 extensions we completed in Q2, the new leases signed were on average higher than their previous lease, despite being older aircraft now. The resilience of international travel means the broad based demand for wide bodies continues. This was shown by the lease agreements we signed for 777s and 8330 SEALs with carriers in Asia, the Middle East, and Europe in Q2. Furthermore, as a result of the deals we have signed or have in the pipeline in Q3, we have only two wide bodies available for lease between now and the end of 2027 out of a fleet of more than 250 wide bodies. On the narrow body side, we see similar trends. We signed lease agreements with 12 different carriers in the quarter, including six A320neo placements from our order book with a carrier in the Middle East. We extended 26 used aircraft with an average age of 16 years that are on lease to carriers predominantly in Europe and Asia. There has been a lot of focus on the OEM supply shortages over the last number of years, which of course have been helpful for lease rates and sales pricing. These delays have also resulted in fewer opportunities for organic growth via sale lease backs. That dynamic is beginning to change and deals are beginning to present themselves. Of course, they have to meet our return targets, but I am confident that as OEMs ramp up deliveries over the next few years, AirCap will be well positioned to take advantage of these opportunities, given the combined strength of our balance sheets and customer relationships. Spare engine demand remains particularly robust today, given the challenges with new technology aircraft in particular, keeping utilization levels high. Our engine platforms are focused on supporting their OEM airline and MRO customers. Spare engine support is a key part of AirCap's overall proposition to customers. And our portfolio of over 1200 spare engines, 90% of which are new technology, mean AirCap is well positioned to do so. On new deliveries, our organic growth strategy continues with the purchase of 31 new LEAP engines across the FES and AirCap platforms, taking total deliveries for the year to date to 84. A further 46 LEAPs are expected to deliver through the end of this year. We also deliver 36 engines to various airline customers in Q2 alone under commercial lease agreements. So overall activity remains robust across the platforms. Finally, we are set to expand our MRO support capability with an engine leasing partnership with Air France KLM, announced at the Paris Air Show, which we hope to finalize later in the year. This mutually beneficial partnership provides spare engine support for customers of Air France KLM's MRO operation and quicker MRO slots for our own fleet. Turning to milestone, overall the helicopter landscape remains reasonably robust. Global fleet utilization remains high, aided by continued OEM production discipline and supply chain constraints, which like the aircraft industry are likely to persist for some time. From an AirCap fleet perspective, we continue to adopt a balanced portfolio management strategy, investing in new technology helicopters at a creative returns, while divesting of midlife and out of production types. During the quarter, we continue to see a high percentage of helicopters of varying types, extending with their existing operators. This included deals with operators in the US, South Korea, India, and the UK. So in summary, this was another great quarter for AirCap with earnings and cash flows remaining strong throughout the business. We continue to deploy your capital effectively with the purchase of approximately $3 billion of new equipment and the repurchase of over $1 billion of stock here today. In addition, we expect to spend another $3 billion in new equipment through the end of 2025 and have a further $800 million in share repurchase authorizations outstanding. Going forward, this means that AirCap is in an exceptional position to provide unique support to our customers and strong returns to our shareholders. With that, I'll now hand the call over to Pete to review the financials and the outlook for 2025. Thanks,

Gus. Good morning, everyone. Our gap net income for the second quarter was a record ,000,000, or $7.09 per share. This included net recoveries related to the Ukraine conflict of ,000,000, or $5.48 per share. This reflects the award we received in the favorable decision by the London Commercial Court in June. The impact of purchase accounting adjustments was $82 million for the quarter, or 46 cents per share. The net tax effect of both of these items was $134 million, or 75 cents per share. As a result, our adjusted net income for the second quarter was $502 million, or $2.83 per share. Besides the insurance award, there were two main items that affected our results for the second quarter. First, we had a tax provision release of $41 million. And second, our SG&A expense was higher than normal due to higher stock-based compensation expense, which was driven by some upfront recognition of expenses. Going forward, we expect stock-based compensation expense to return to a more normal run rate of around $30 million a quarter. Turning to sales, our net gain on sale of assets was $57 million. We sold 18 of our owned assets during the quarter for total sales revenue of $374 million. That resulted in an unlevered gain on sale margin of 18%, which is equivalent to a multiple of 1.7 times book value. The sales volume was a little lower than normal during the second quarter, mainly due to timing of deals closing. As of June 30th, we had $470 million of assets held for sale, and I currently expect our sales to be around $2.5 billion for the full year. Our liquidity position continues to be very strong. As of June 30th, our total sources of liquidity were approximately $22 billion. That includes $2.7 billion of cash and $12 billion of revolvers and other committed facilities, as well as expected sales and operating cashflow. Our sources to use as coverage ratio at the end of the quarter was 1.9 times, which amounts to excess cash coverage of around $10 billion. Our leverage ratio was 2.2 to 1, down from 2.4 to 1 last quarter. That decrease was primarily driven by the favorable insurance judgment that we received in June. Our operating cashflow was approximately $1.3 billion for the second quarter, and our average cost of debt remained the same at 4.1%. We bought back 4.7 million shares during the quarter for a total of $445 million. That takes us to over a billion dollars of share-repurchases so far this year. We currently have around $800 million of available capacity remaining in our existing share-repurchase authorization. Turning now to guidance, in February, we projected adjusted earnings per share at $8.50 to $9.50 for the full year 2025, not including any gains on sale. On our last earnings call, given the strong performance in the first quarter, we raised our guidance to the top half of that range. As Gus mentioned, today we're raising our full year 2025 adjusted EPS guidance to approximately $11.60. That includes the dollar and 10 cents of gains on sale that we had in the first half of the year, but it doesn't include any gains on sale for the second half of the year. In the first half, the outperformance relative to guidance was driven by higher lease revenue, including net maintenance contribution, and we would expect lease revenue to continue to be strong in the second half of the year. We also had some benefits from higher other income in the first quarter, as well as the tax release in the second quarter. So that results in full year guidance of $11.60. This reflects our strong performance year to date and our positive outlook for the rest of the year. So in closing, we're coming off another strong quarter for Air Cab in terms of earnings and EPS, and of course the favorable decision in our insurance case. We continue to be in a position of strength with a strong balance sheet, low leverage, and strong liquidity. We're confident about the outlook for the business, as you can see from our increase in full year guidance and our repurchases of over a billion dollars of stock so far this year. With that operator, we'll open up the call for Q&A.

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please signal by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speaker phone, please make sure your mute function is turned off to allow the signal to reach our equipment. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Again, press star one to ask a question. We'll pause for just a moment to assemble the queue. We will take our first question from Terry Ma, and then we'll start the call with Barclays.

Hi, thank you. Good morning. Maybe just to start off with a partnership with Air France KLM, is there any way you can maybe size that opportunity and talk about how much excess capital you can deploy into that? We'll kind of take a step back, maybe just update us on how you're thinking about capital allocation. You guys are continuing to be under levered relative to the target, so maybe just talk about deployment of that capital overall.

Sure,

let me start with the

Air France KLM joint venture. This opens up another broad customer base to our engine business. And the great advantage for Air France KLM as they move into the leap overhaul business is that they have a partner now that has experience of moving hundreds of leap engines around the world on time and on spec for the existing OEM CFM. That's very important. As regards to how big it will grow, we'll have to see over time. Initially, it'll be a small amount, but like all these investments, these are long-term in nature like the business is and something we're looking to regarding the long-term. I'll let Pete answer the question on the capital allocation.

Sure, thanks, Gus. So Terry, in terms of capital allocation, so far this year, we've deployed a little over a billion dollars for share buybacks. We've also bought $3 billion of aircraft, as Gus mentioned, and we've got another 3 billion of buybacks of CAPEX later this year, as well as the remaining $800 million in our program. And as we look at it, look, you know, we always look at all different alternatives for deploying excess capital. We are seeing some, what we think will be attractive opportunities with some of the airlines now, now that you're starting to see more aircraft delivering in their order books, we think there will be opportunities there. We also think that there will be opportunities on the engine side to deploy more capital there. And of course, share repurchases continue to be attractive. So I'd say those will be the main avenues as we look out today in terms of deployment of excess capital for the remainder of the year.

Got it, that's helpful. And then I guess as a follow up, I think leasing expenses ex the maintenance amortization expense was, you know, in the $60 million in just quarter, it's been kind of below average last two quarters. Kind of what's the outlook for that for the remainder of the year? Thank you.

Yes, the leasing expenses have been lower. They were also lower in the first quarter. They came down a bit more in the second quarter. Mainly that has been due to the high level of extensions and fewer transitions that we've been seeing. Yeah, as you saw, our extension rate in the quarter was 97%. So that's almost a record high. And what the impact of that is, it's reducing the amount of leasing expenses that we have. So I think that will continue to trend at lower levels than we had originally expected because of those

factors. Thank you. Any further questions, Mr. Ma?

No,

that's it, thank you.

Great, thank you.

We'll take our next question from Moshe Orenbach with TD Cowan.

Great, thanks. I apologize because I missed a bit at the beginning, but the increase in your second half or full year kind of capex, does that already encompass your expectation for potentially higher sale leasebacks or is that something that would be kind of additive to it?

No, that three billion that we mentioned, Moshe, is just what we've contracted to date. So that's just from the order book. So any incremental things that we do would be additive to that number.

Got it. And I guess, I mean, how should we sort of think about the potential for that number to be higher than three billion versus kind of lower at this stage, like kind of the upside downside, if you will?

Well, we're starting to see the OEMs pick up their pace of deliveries. I mean, you saw Boeing's results the other day. So I think that we are seeing production rates increase, albeit off a relatively low base. So I think as a starting point, that six billion for the year is a reasonable one for us, just in terms of our order book and what's currently contracted. And then things can be additive from there. And one of the benefits that you get if you're doing sale leasebacks or in particular engine deals is that allows for more rapid deployment of capital than say if you were doing an OEM order where you're gonna get those, a new order, you're gonna get those aircraft in the 2030s. So that is one of the benefits of those two. How much will it be this year? Hard to know, but we do have excess capital available and we would like to deploy it.

Got it. And maybe since you did bring up the engine business, could you talk about how much, what's the possible amount of capital you could deploy in that over, I mean, you can kind of pick the period to discuss and just talk about how important that could be for your cap, thanks.

Well, we did $5 billion of engine orders last year and 10 billion dollars since we did the GKS acquisition. So that gives you some idea of how large these can be. And as I said, in contrast to just an order of aircraft from an order book, engines can deliver in some cases, weeks after we've concluded that contract. Because if you think about it, these are spare engines that are immediately needed. That's why they are, that's why we are doing those purchases so they can be immediately put into the spare engine pools for the OEMs. And so that can lead to rapid deployment of capital. So it can be quite large. Yeah,

thanks very much. Sure.

We'll

take our next question

from Catherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs.

Hey, good morning everyone, thanks for the time. Maybe just to follow up on the capital allocation question, leverage is running well below target, sounds like you have potentially new opportunities in the sale-leaseback market. But how do you think about the relative attractiveness of those sale-leaseback opportunities versus maybe deploying more capital engines versus buying back air cap shares? Is the lack of a re-up on the buyback just that you still have $800 million left? Just would love to know how you're thinking about ranking those opportunities.

Yeah, that's the rationale, Katie, in terms of the buyback at the moment. We have a little over $800 million remaining and so we'd like to utilize that first. So that's why we're not announcing a new authorization at the moment. But as you note, our leverage ratio is low, it's 2.2 to one. A lot of that is because we got the judgment in June on our insurance case and those funds just came in at the end of June and early July. So that decreased the leverage ratio by about 20 basis points from 2.4 to 2.2. So when we think about the opportunities, for sure share buybacks are one of them, but we also think between some of these sale-leaseback opportunities with airlines, some of the engine deals that we're considering, I think all of those are in the mix. We'll look at each individually, but I think some combination of those things is the most likely deployment of excess capital this year. I think beyond that, things like M&A and new orders of aircraft are probably behind that at the moment.

Okay, great, thanks. And maybe just for my follow-up, an 18% gain on sale is nearly double your historical average, so it's definitely not trying to poke at that. But there's been a lot of focus from investors across the aviation industry on what Boeing, starting to get their act together in production could mean. And that 18% is a little bit lower than the last couple of quarters. Is there any difference in the types or ages of assets you'd call it this quarter versus the last two or three? Just trying to see if there's any read-through to demand for aircraft in the secondary market, or if this is just really like a normal fluctuation based on the types of assets you sold. Thanks.

Sure, I really think it's a normal fluctuation.

Katie, I was just gonna say there that this is just a normal fluctuation. There's nothing more to see there. In terms of demand, it's still extremely strong. Look, the real evidence of that is the extension rates. You can see that we extended an all-time high of 99% of the aircraft. That's what speaks to the strength in the market. Whether Boeing or Macon, 34, 36, or 30, these airplanes is not going to affect that demand.

Okay, great, I thought that was the answer. Thank you.

We will take our next question from Ron Epstein with Bank of America.

Hey, yeah, good morning, guys. Maybe the first one for Pete. You know, when we met up at the air show, we had a pretty in-depth discussion with you on tariffs. Given how things have sort of moved around, how are you thinking about it now, and how is the tariff environment kind of impacting the business?

Sure, thanks, Ron. So we've seen a very limited impact of tariffs on our business so far. As you know, we've been strong advocates for the -for-zero tariff regime around the world. We were very glad to see that, to see the announcements between the US and the UK, and then the US and the EU that came over the weekend. I believe those remove a lot of the uncertainty around tariffs for aviation, so that's very helpful. And what we'd like to see, I think those are a good precedent for other deals that could be done around the world. So that's very helpful. Look, that being said, all this has moved very quickly, but if those can serve as a precedent and we get back to the -for-zero regime, I think that's best for aviation. It's helpful for the industry overall. And as I said, so we've seen very minimal impact, and we hope that a lot of this is behind us now.

Got it, got it. And then maybe just a broader question. When you think about the return profile on an engine versus the return profile on an airframe, kind of at a high level, how do you guys think about that? I mean, what's better for you all, an airframe or

an engine? Ron, I wouldn't say one is better than the other. There's

different aspects to them. The engine initially has a lower lease yield because no one is paying for seats, lavatories, all that biofurnished equipment. However, over time, the aircraft depreciates faster than the engine because you have to depreciate those components that are specific to the first lessee. So you get a higher lease rate at the start on aircraft, but you have a shallower depreciation curve over the long term on the engines. The key point of investing in anything in aviation is that you are buying the right assets for its remaining economic life, be that five years or 25 years, and you're buying it at the right price, and you know the value of the assets when you buy it. And AirCap has demonstrated that in this industry for 20 plus years that no one has that judgment better than this company.

Got it, got it. And then maybe just one last one. With demand for widebodies clearly picking up, do you think you need to, how I say, build out your backlog on widebody orders, your skyline more so?

Definitely not. I will build my skyline when it makes money for my shareholders. I have no interest in buying any asset at all if it doesn't make adequate return for shareholders in AirCap. I still believe the cheapest widebodies in the world are available on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker Alpha Echoromeo.

Okay, all right, thanks, guys. Have a good one.

We will take our next question from Jamie Baker with JP Morgan.

Oh, thanks for the time. So Gus, do you think we are at peak returns? And if not, when do we get there? And the reason we're asking is, lease rates obviously haven't fully kept up with the cost of debt. And we're starting to wonder whether competing capital may be one of the reasons. Could less disciplined capital be chasing deals lower? And look, we're just thinking out loud, but some of the recent deals from United, that was business away from AirCap. So we're just wondering what the read through might be.

Sure, Jamie, I mean, look, I can't speak to anyone else in the industry, but I'll hand it over to Pete in a second, but you can see over a very long period of time that AirCap is able to pass on the cost of interest. And we've done that for this year as well, as you'll see interest expenses up 5% and the lease revenue matches it. But look, from my perspective, I've always said to you that we target that return of 8% to 10% over the treasury rate. And that's what this company has always returned in all markets. That's what it's averaged in that zone exactly. So this business is extremely stable if you're good at it and you're in it for the long term. If you're one of the tourists, then yeah, you can put money to work whether you'll make any, whether you be successful at it or not is another matter. We've exhibited great restraint when it comes to deploying capital. And from our perspective, how we allocate capital, be it buying our own chairs, which as I just said to Ron, I believe the cheapest aircraft are available every day on the New York Stock Exchange under our ticker. And you won't see us, you're right. Yes, of course, some deals trade away from us, but that's where we exercise discipline. And you've seen us for 20 years through all markets exercise that discipline and we'll continue to do that.

Okay, I appreciate that. And then maybe for Pete, you're nicely below the 2.7 debt equity target. You touched on that in your prepared remarks. So what's more likely from here, running it back up to the target or maybe tightening that target and pushing for low A rating? Thanks in advance.

Yeah, Jamie, so I think that we will run it closer to the target. I'd expect it to get up to, you know, get closer to 2.7, whether that's 24, 25, somewhere in that ballpark. We're not intending to lower that target because fundamentally, I think we're in a good place with the rating agencies now. Look, if we can get to A- ratings, that would be great. But ultimately, we're focused on what's the, what is the most beneficial for our shareholders? How can we return, create the highest returns for our shareholders? And so if you think about, do we, would we need to do that by lowering the leverage target over, you know, a long period and putting in place higher liquidity and other things like that, if there's a cost to that, obviously, I think where we are today, having come up from low triple B- ratings a couple of years ago to where we are today at triple B- plus across the board, that's a very strong performance. Sure, we'd like to go higher, but I think fundamentally, there are a lot of opportunities for us to deploy capital and we'll look to do that.

Okay, thanks to you both. Appreciate it. Sure.

We will take our next question from Christine Lee-Wag with Morgan Stanley.

Hey, good morning, everyone. And maybe Gus, you know, following up on your comments on AirCap success for the past 20 years, I mean, we've seen all the numbers and at this point, I mean, you are the largest aircraft lesser in the entire world, so congratulations on that success. But, you know, I guess when we look for growth and while she's always looking for the incremental growth, as you continue to deliver that strong return and the business continues to deliver, and we'll look at your forward order book and purchase and lease backs, it kind of decelerates starting 2027. I mean, how do we think about the size of AirCap in the next five years or even, I mean, 20 years may be a little too far out, but maybe the next three to five years, how big could you be? And are you getting to the point on return that you're too big that getting that outsized, you know, eight to 10% consistently over the treasury rate may be getting harder? And if that's the case, you know, where do you see incremental growth?

Thanks, Christine. Well, look, from our perspective,

this is a growing industry, aviation. Every 20 years, it doubles in size. And aircraft leasing is doubling within that itself. So it's continuing to grow every year. So I'm not worried about growth over the long term. It always comes. And indeed, if you just look at the amount of CAPEX we contracted in 2024, it was 6 billion plus that we managed to contract that wasn't there at the beginning of the year. So I'm not concerned about where the order book is. I'd be extraordinarily concerned if I was ordering airplanes that were going to have a negative effect to my shareholders. And we followed the gap model of growth at any price. That's something we'll never do. The objective of this company is to create value for our shareholders. And that means growing profitability. And that does not necessarily mean growing revenue. Of course, we have grown revenue tremendously. We've grown the balance sheet tremendously, but at the right times. And I'm very confident that given the growth industry, air caps position in the industry, the relationships we have, the influence we have that profitable growth opportunities will come our way. And in any event, as I said earlier on in the call twice, I certainly believe that the best value aircraft in the world are available under the ticker Alpha Echoromeo down on the NYSC.

Thanks Gus. And maybe Pete as a follow-up. Look, we have seen a modest compression and the annualized net spread over the past few years as interest expense has been ticking up. Are there, with the balance sheet continuing to improve and leverage going down, are there different ways in which you could further reduce costs of interest? And when would you expect the annualized net spread to start expanding again?

Yeah, thanks Christine. So the net spread will be expanding. I'd expect it to be going up from here, kind of on a sequential level quarterly, and then into the next few years as well. Because what we're seeing is the portfolio yield, the lease rate factor is going up. That's gonna continue to climb. And so overall net spread is going to increase. I would remind you though that net spread obviously isn't the whole story. There is a lot beyond net spread. We're not managing to that, we're managing to EPS. But I do think the profitability will increase going forward. And maybe just to touch for a second on Jamie's question before, in terms of whether we've reached peak profitability for the industry, I don't think so. In part because even the deals that we're doing today, there is a lag in terms of seeing the financial results come through for those. So even if you did reach peak profitability in terms of the market being great today, you're not gonna see the financial results of those really flow through until the next few years. So I think we've got a good tailwind on that. We've got a good tailwind in terms of COVID leases rolling off, that will take time, but it is a tailwind. So I think there are a number of things that are positive for us as a company going into the next few years.

Great, thank you very much guys.

Sure.

We will take our next question from Hilary Coconando with Deutsche Bank.

Hi, thank you for taking my questions. I know you already wrote down your exposure to Azure late last year, but that was before they filed for bankruptcy. I was just wondering if there could be any other impact from Azure bankruptcy from your end?

Thanks Hilary, yes. So last year, you're right, we did take a provision against Azul. And as we look out today, Azul is still in bankruptcy. They've been making progress in their restructuring plan. We don't see any impact compared to where we were. So I think minimal impact this quarter from Azul. And we think we're fully provisioned there for how this restructuring should play out.

Thank you, thank you for that. And then, so far, we saw about 10 very young, age-three, 20 new getting retired in the market and parted out to harvest the engines, just given the demand for spare engines. I guess that speaks to the strength of the engine market. So I just wanted to get your thoughts on that phenomenon and if that's something that you expect to appear.

Well, there's a couple of items there actually. On the report of those NEOs being torn down, there are two 20 aircraft that were in Egypt. They are being disassembled. The other aircraft, the A320 aircraft that you're speaking about, it's my understanding that it's only the engines that have been removed. The aircraft themselves are not being torn down. And that is in order for Pratt & Whitney to support the obligations it has to its customers. So that's not happening as far as I'm aware. On A320 NEOs to tear it down, it is only happening on the two 20s that were in Egypt.

Got it, great, that's very helpful, thank you.

We will go back to Catherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs.

Oh, hey, thanks for that extra time. Maybe just one more on the sale leaseback opportunity. Are these more opportunistic from distressed airlines or is this just a function of more deliveries driving less competition per RFP? Just was curious as I know that market has been pretty competitive and not very attractive the last couple of years. So just wondering what's driving the shift, thanks.

Well, Catherine, first of all, we have to execute on them. Now we have done so over the years. And you can see that indeed last year with the amount of capex we put on the books that was not there at the beginning of the year. It's highly unlikely we're going to be competing in open bid sale leaseback transactions. It's where we bring other things to the table in terms of our installed fleet, our engine business, et cetera. There are different things we bring to the table that others don't. So I can't say that every deal is uniquely bilateral but we certainly wouldn't be entering into many sale leaseback transactions I don't think we have where there's just open bids where everybody's bidding against us.

Great, thanks.

There are no further questions at this time. Mr. Kelly, at this time, I will turn the conference back to you for any additional or closing remarks.

Thank you very much everyone for joining us for the call. And we look forward to speaking to you during the quarter. Enjoy the rest of the summer, goodbye.

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.