American Financial Group, Inc.

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the American Financial Group 2025 Fourth Quarter Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1-1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Diane Widener, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to American Financial Group's fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings results conference call. We released our results yesterday afternoon. Our press release, investor supplement, and webcast presentation are posted on AFG's website, under the Investor Relations section. These materials will be referenced during portions of today's call. Joining me this morning are Carl Lindner III and Craig Lindner, co-CEOs of American Financial Group, and Brian Hertzman, AFG CFO. Before I turn the discussion over to Carl, I would like to draw your attention to the notes on slide two of our webcast. Some of the matters to be discussed today are forward-looking. These forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results and or financial condition to differ materially from these statements. A detailed description of these risks and uncertainties can be found in AFG's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which are also available on our website. We may include references to core net operating earnings, a non-GAAP financial measure, in our remarks or in responses to questions. Reconciliation of net earnings to core net operating earnings is included in our earnings release. And finally, if you are reading a transcript of this call, please note that it may not be authorized or reviewed for accuracy, and as a result, it may contain factual or transcription errors that could materially alter the intent or meaning of our statements. Now, I'm pleased to turn the call over to Craig Linder to discuss our results.

Good morning.

I'll begin by sharing highlights of AFG's 2025 fourth quarter and four-year results, after which Carl will walk through more details about our P&C operations and share AFG's business plan assumptions for 2026. We'll then open it up for Q&A, where Carl, Brian, and I will respond to your questions. The fourth quarter marked a strong finish to a great year for AFG. Our compelling mix of specialty insurance businesses, entrepreneurial cultures, culture, disciplined operating philosophy, and highly skilled team of investment in-house investment professionals collectively have enabled us to outperform many of our peers and continues to position us well for the future. Carl and I thank God, our talent management team, and our great employees for helping us to achieve these results. As you'll see on slide three, AFG's core net operating earnings were $10.29 per share for the full year of 2025 generating a core operating return on equity of 18.2%. This ROE is calculated using an average of the five most recent quarter-end balances of shareholders' equity, excluding AOCI. We closed out the year with an exceptionally strong fourth quarter. As you'll see on slides four and five, core net operating earnings per share were $3.65 per share producing an annualized fourth quarter core return on equity of 25.2%. Capital management is one of our highest priorities. Returning capital to our shareholders is a key component of our capital management strategy and reflects our strong financial position and our confidence in AFG's financial future. In 2025, we returned over $700 million to shareholders which included $334 million or $4 per share in special dividends, $274 million in regular common stock dividends, and $99 million in share repurchases. Over the past five years, dividend payments and share repurchases have totaled $6.3 billion. Additionally, we increased our quarterly dividend by 10% to an annual rate of $3.52 per share beginning in October of 2025. Now I'd like to turn to an overview of AFG's investment performance and share a few comments about AFG's financial position, capital, and liquidity. The details surrounding our $17.2 billion portfolio are presented on slides six and seven. Looking at results for the 2025 fourth quarter, property and casualty net investment income was approximately 12% lower than the comparable 2024 period as lower returns from alternative investments more than offset the impact of higher interest rates and higher balances of invested assets. For the full year ended December 31, 2025, PNC net investment income excluding alternative investments increased 5% year over year. Approximately 65% of our portfolio is invested in fixed maturities. In the current interest rate environment, we're able to invest in fixed maturity securities at yields of approximately 5.25%. The duration of our PNC fixed maturity portfolio, including cash and cash equivalents, was 2.9 years at December 31, 2025. The annualized return on alternative investments in our PNC portfolio was 0.9% for the fourth quarter of 2025, compared to 4.9% for the prior year quarter. Although the overall returns on our multifamily investments continue to be impacted by an excess supply of new properties in some of our targeted markets, we are seeing signs of recovery. New starts have fallen nearly 50% since 2022, and completions peaked in 2024 and are rapidly declining. We continue to believe that in the last half of 2026, the tightening supply and significantly reduced pipeline will drive higher rental and occupancy rates. Importantly, a sizable portion of our portfolio of multifamily properties is located in desirable geographies with strong job and wage growth. Longer term, we continue to remain optimistic regarding the prospects of attractive returns from our overall alternative investment portfolio with an expectation of annual returns averaging 10% or better. Please turn to slide eight, where you'll find a summary of AFG's financial position at December 31, 2025. During the fourth quarter, we returned $240 million to our shareholders through the payment of a $2 per share special dividend in November and a regular $0.88 per share quarterly dividend. In conjunction with our fourth quarter earnings release, we declared a special dividend of $1.50 per share payable on February 25th, 2026 to shareholders of record on February 16th, 2026. The aggregate amount of the special dividend will be approximately $125 million. With this special dividend, the company has declared $55.5 per share or $4.7 billion in special dividends since the beginning of 2021. AFG ended the year in a strong capital position. Our leverage ratio is less than 28%. We have no debt maturities until 2030. and our insurance company financial strength ratings are at the A-plus level for AM Best and Standard & Poor's. We expect our operations to continue to generate significant excess capital in 2026, which provides ample opportunity for acquisitions, additional special dividends, or share repurchases over the rest of the year. We evaluate the best alternatives for capital deployment on a regular basis. We continue to view total value creation as measured by growth in book value plus dividends as an important measure of performance over the long term. For the year ended December 31, 2025, AFG's growth in book value per share excluding AOCI plus dividends was 17.2%. We're extremely proud of the value we've created for shareholders over time. I'll now turn the call over to Carl to discuss the results of our PNC operations and our business plan assumptions for 2026.

Thank you, Craig. Please turn to slides 9 and 10 of the webcast, which include an overview of our fourth quarter results. Fourth quarter underwriting profits set a new quarterly record for AFG, led by exceptionally strong profitability in our crop insurance operations. Nearly all the businesses in our diversified specialty P&C portfolio continue to meet or exceed targeted returns, and we continue to feel confident about the strength of our reserves. We've assembled a diversified portfolio of specialty property and casualty businesses that helps us navigate the peaks and valleys of the insurance cycle and respond to changing economic conditions. The non-correlation of many of our businesses, both each other and to the broader insurance market, has been instrumental to AFG's strong and consistent performance over many years. Turning to slide nine, you'll see that underwriting profit in our specialty property and cash and insurance businesses grew 41% and generated an outstanding 84.1 combined ratio in the fourth quarter of 2025, an improvement of nearly five points from the prior year period. Results for the 2025 fourth quarter include 0.2 points related to catastrophe losses compared to 1.1 points in the 2024 fourth quarter. Fourth quarter 2025 results benefited from 1.6 points of favorable prior year reserve development compared to 1.8 points of adverse prior year reserve development in the fourth quarter of 2024. Fourth quarter 2025 gross written premiums were up 2%. and net written premiums were down 1% when compared to the same period in 2024. For the full year, gross written premiums increased 2% and net written premiums were flat. As noted, we continued to benefit from the diversification across our 36 businesses and achieved premium growth in many of them as a result of a combination of new business opportunities, a good renewal rate environment, and increased exposures. while remaining disciplined and focused on underwriting profitability in some of the more challenging markets. Average renewal rates across our property and casualty group, excluding workers' comp, were up approximately 5% for the quarter, in line with the previous quarter. Average renewal rates, including workers' comp, were up approximately 4% overall. We've reported overall renewal rate increases for 38 consecutive quarters, and we believe we're achieving overall renewal rate increases in excess of prospective loss ratio trends, allowing us to meet or exceed targeted returns. Now I'd like to turn to slide 10 to review a few highlights from each of our specialty property and casualty business groups. Details are included in our earnings release, so I'll focus on summary results here. The business and the property and transportation group achieved an outstanding 70.6% calendar year combined ratio in the fourth quarter of 2025, an improvement of nearly 19 points from the comparable 2024 period. Record yields for corn and soybeans and favorable commodity pricing trends throughout the growing season, which contributed to a very strong crop year. And lower year-over-year catastrophe losses in our property-exposed businesses were drivers of these exceptional results. Fourth quarter gross written premiums for 2025 in this group increased 5% from the comparable prior year period for the fourth quarter of 2025, while net written premiums were approximately 2% lower year-over-year. The increase in gross written premiums was due primarily to growth in our crop products that are heavily seeded, and to a lesser extent, growth in a transportation captive that has higher premium sessions. Overall renewal rates in this group increased approximately 6 percent on average in the fourth quarter of 2025, consistent with pricing in the previous quarter. Pricing for the full year for this group was up approximately 7 percent overall. We continue to remain focused on rate adequacy, particularly in our commercial auto liability line of business, where rates were up approximately 15% in the fourth quarter and up 14% for the full year. The businesses in our specialty casualty group achieved a 96.7 calendar year combined ratio overall in the fourth quarter, 5.3 points higher than the 91.4% reported in the comparable period in 2024. Combined ratios at this level for these longer tail lines of business typically generate returns on equity and the high teens are better. Fourth quarter 2025 gross and net written premiums increased 2% and 3% respectively when compared to the same prior year period. Primary drivers of growth included new business opportunities, favorable renewal pricing in our targeted markets business, new business opportunities in our mergers and acquisition business, growth in our workers' comp businesses, and new premiums from one of our startup businesses. Growth was tempered by lower year-over-year premiums in our executive liability and excess and surplus lines business, where we experienced heightened competitive pressures for both new and renewal businesses. Overall renewal pricing in this group was up about 5% during the fourth quarter. Average renewal pricing excluding workers' comp was up 6% in the fourth quarter. For the full year, pricing excluding workers' comp was up about 8%. I continue to be pleased that we continue to achieve renewal rate increases of 10% or better during the quarter in several of our social inflation-exposed businesses, including our social services and excess liability businesses, with full-year increases across these lines in the range of 13 to 15 percent. In addition, our workers' compensation businesses collectively achieved a modest pricing increase during the quarter, similar to our results in the third quarter. Moving on to the special differential group, continued to achieve excellent underwriting margins, reported an excellent 83 combined ratio for the fourth quarter of 2025, 2.3 points higher than the prior year period. Fourth quarter of 2025 gross and net written premiums in this group decreased by 4% and 10% respectively when compared to the same prior year period. Higher year-over-year premiums in our European operations were more than offset by lower premiums in our financial institutions business, which has produced very strong growth over the past several years. Net rent premiums were tempered by our decision to seed more of the coastal exposed property business in our financial institutions business beginning in the second quarter of 2025. Now, as we look to 2026, In lieu of providing formal earnings guidance, we have provided several key assumptions underlying our 2026 business plan, which you'll see summarized on slide 11. We believe these assumptions are among the most relevant and helpful to analyst investors in modeling AFG's business and informing an investment thesis. These assumptions for 2026 include growth in net written premiums of 3% to 5% from the $7.1 billion reported last year, a combined ratio of approximately 92.5%, a reinvestment rate of approximately 5.25%, and an annual return of approximately 8% on our $2.8 billion portfolio of alternative investments. We expect that performance in line with these assumptions would result in core net operating earnings per share of approximately $11 in 2026 and generate a core operating return on equity excluding AOCI of approximately 18%. As we consider our outlook on growth, we're optimistic about several of our startup businesses and the near completion of numerous underwriting actions taken in our specialty casualty businesses. However, we're mindful of pockets of softening rates and continued competitive conditions, and we'll maintain our discipline bottom line focus as we pursue opportunities to grow profitably in 2026. Our assumptions include an average crop year. So we believe that the combination of our reserve strength, a continued healthy rate environment, prudent growth, and the ability to invest at a rate that exceeds our current portfolio yield positions us well as we enter 2026. Craig and I are pleased to report these exceptionally strong results for the fourth quarter and full year, and we're proud of our proven track record of long-term value creation. Our insurance professionals have exercised their specialty property and casualty knowledge and experience to skillfully navigate the marketplace. And our in-house investment team has been both strategic and opportunistic in the management of our $17.2 billion investment portfolio. We look forward to continuing to build long-term value for our shareholders this year and beyond. We'll now open the lines for the Q&A portion of today's call. Craig and Brian and I would be happy to respond to your questions.

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Our first question comes from the line of Christian Guestos from Wells Fargo.

Hi. Good morning. My first question is on the 2026 business plan. I guess, what does that business plan assume in terms of rates relative to the 5% P&C renewal pricing ex comp we saw in the Q4? And is there any assumption of prior period releases in the 92.5 combined ratio target?

So, when we're looking at our combined ratio overall, we're really not necessarily specifically identifying any amount for prior development. But as you can see, historically for AFG, overall, we've tended to be conservative and have favorable development in most periods. Not that we're immune from adverse development, but we're hopeful that our reserving strategy set us up for a likelihood of favorable development more than adverse development. That being said, we would expect, if you kind of look at what's happened in 2024 and 2025 going into 2026, In 2024 and 2025, we continue to have a lot of unexpected favorable development out of workers' comp, but that was offset by some adverse development in social inflation-exposed businesses. Going into 2026, not that we have a crystal ball, but we would expect that the workers' comp will not continue to develop as favorably as it has in the past. But we also, given rate actions and reserving actions that we've taken, would not expect the adverse development from the casualty lines to reoccur. As far as pricing goes, I think we feel confident that we'll be able to continue to get good price increases where we need them. There are other businesses like our financial institutions business where rate increases have moderated, but those businesses are very profitable and manageable at the levels that they are.

Got it. Thank you. And then For the quarter, we saw a pretty meaningful uptick in the casualty underlying loss ratio. Was there any change in loss picks, or was that more reflective of just being conservative, giving continued elevated loss trends? Or was there something you saw in the quarter that led to the change? And I guess, is that pick something that we could run rate going forward, or any other color there would be appreciated?

Sure. So when you look at the accident-error-loss ratio, excluding CATs for the casualty group in the quarter, what you'll see there is continued caution around our social inflation-exposed businesses, like our social services business, public entity business, and certain excess liability businesses. We've seen intermittent small pockets of adverse development in recent periods, so we are being cautious there in our current PICs. Also, when you look at our relatively small book of California workers' compensation insurance, with the legal environment and things like cumulative trauma in that area, we are also being cautious in our accident year pick there. When you couple that with the rate increases that we have achieved and are achieving, we're hopeful that those loss picks will set us up for a better chance of favorable development in future periods.

Got it. Thank you. Thank you. One moment for our next question.

Our next question comes from the line of Gregory Peters from Raymond James.

Good morning, everyone. I guess I just wanted to follow up on the worker's comments, Brian. Was there something unusual in the frequency or medical trend in a particular state this year? that led to the results that you reported, or was this across the book? And I was interested in your comment about cumulative trauma. I know that's popped up and is on the radar for other workers' comp companies. I wonder if you could provide some color on how you're viewing that risk right now.

You know, for the most part, Greg, you know, our loss trends, uh, you know, our loss ratio trends continue to be pretty benign, uh, and that, um, you know, positive, uh, trends around frequency, uh, severity, you know, um, not being abnormal. Uh, so again, our workers comp business, we, our overall results for, um, workers comp both on a calendar year and an accident year basis in 2025 continue to be excellent. Um, That said, the calendar year combined ratio for overall comp business in 25, you know, was a few points higher than last year. And I've been kind of, you know, pointing that out, you know, probably every quarter. And we probably, you know, would expect the same to happen in the 26th. But the good news is... You know, the results continue to be excellent. We would expect, you know, workers' comp to continue to be a very profitable line. California comp would be the exception. California, as you know, the industry probably has a combined ratio in excess of 120. Probably there was an approval of a rate increase in September, you know, of about 8.7%. kind of a guideline rate that was put out there. When you look at pricing, you know, in California, you know, we're getting probably a healthy 10% price increase in the fourth quarter. So it seems like there's beginning to be a bit more of a backbone, you know, in the competitive environment in California, which I'm happy to see, um, and happy to see us, you know, get some, get some rate. Uh, our combined ratio isn't 120 plus, but, um, you know, we're unhappy with it and, uh, you know, working hard to, to improve it, uh, and that. So California is kind of the, probably the one state that would be, uh, the exception. Um, The cumulative trauma, sure, that impacts, you know, Republic or California comp subsidiary. That's, I think, you know, we've already, we've been taking into account in our loss reserve picks, you know, that aspect for years. That's not something that's a big surprise, you know, to us. So I think we've already been taking that into account. Our workers comp, last year our workers comp business overall grew about 1%. I think as when you look at overall pricing trends, I think I mentioned in comp, you know, we actually had a modest price increase in the fourth quarter. I think from a growth standpoint, I would think we would probably, you know, see, you know, some growth this year, maybe, you know, 3% to 5% overall growth or something in workers comp.

uh which is which is a positive i hope that gives you some insight uh into your your questions yeah on that same subject just just decides that california workers comp focused business is less than 200 million dollars in net written premiums for the year yes less than 15 percent it's not a real it's not a real big portion of our workers comp business let alone our overall business but it but we do react to what we're seeing in the environment overall, both in setting our reserve picks and then also, more importantly, informing us what we need to do from rate increases leading to things like the near 10% in the fourth quarter.

Got it. Thanks for that detail. Hey, during your comments, you also highlighted startup businesses. And maybe if we just spend a minute and just share with us some information, more information about what's behind the startup businesses and, you know, sort of your expectation, you know, especially considering, I think we're, you know, admittedly the broader PC market is, you know, right environment seems to be softening up. So just curious about the areas of the market where you think there's opportunity.

Yeah. You know, we've, uh, every year we, um, we make investments and we start up businesses in that. And, um, you know, uh, I think after, uh, you know, making some investments and, and grinding through the, the early startups and a few things that we're beginning to see, um, you know, some, some success and progress, uh, things like specialty construction. Um, you know, we have, uh, you know, ENS binding business, you know, we would expect to see some more premium, you know, in that area. So areas like that, we have four or five different startups that I think, you know, will begin to, you know, show more progress in that. And the embedded solutions area, I think, is an area that, A new area for us that we're excited about and we think will bear some fruit this year.

Thank you. My final question, and I know you've commented on this before, but the crop business, is there any spillover into the first half of 26 from the results of the 25-yard crop year?

Yeah, you know, there, there always is based off of, uh, area coverage results for a reinsurance year or some citrus and, you know, that type of thing. Um, we obviously had a, we had a very strong year and, um, you know, so usually there's always a true up in the first quarter. And I think we'd be, you know, positive that, uh, there'll probably be some positive, you know, true up, um, as the, uh, the crop reinsurance year. And then, uh, as you know, we're kind of in the February, uh, discovery period for commodity prices in that. And I mean, so far, um, you know, as it relates to, uh, spring discovery, if, if the prices kind of remain kind of where they, where they've been, it looks like, you know, corn is discovery futures price down maybe 3%, soybeans up 2%, but that would mean good things as far as stability on the premium base. Um, I think, uh, You know, if we have that kind of a scenario, I think we'd be looking at seeing the crop business maybe even grow a little bit, assuming spring discovery prices kind of stay in the range that they are right now.

Thank you very much for the answers.

Thank you. One moment for our next question.

Our next question comes from the line of Michael Zaremski from BMO.

Hey, it's Dan on for Mike.

My first one, just sticking with the property and transportation segment. So is the current accident year improvement this quarter just driven by favorable crop or what are you seeing in the other businesses in that segment? I understand maybe those are performing a little bit better too. Just trying to get a better sense of the run rate there.

Sure. So definitely the big driver of the lower loss ratio as well as the lower expense ratio in property and transportation is coming from the very strong crop results. The rest of the businesses in that segment have performed very well and are pretty stable. I think when you... get to looking at our annual statements that we file, I think you'll see that we continue to be cautious in our loss picks on commercial auto liability as well for the same reasons we talked about in casualty. But overall, very, very strong results across the whole segment. And even in commercial auto liability where I mentioned that we're being cautious on the loss picks, we still have a small underwriting profit for the year for overall commercial auto. So I think if you're trying to sort of normalize things, I think the big driver of the strong is the above-average crop year versus 2024 being more of an average crop year. And then looking to 2026, as Carl mentioned, our models would build in an average crop year versus the very strong crop year this year.

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks. Then switching gears maybe to specialty financial. and specifically on the lender place business there. Just curious about, you know, what drove the inflection and pricing a little bit sequentially from the plus one from minus two in the prior quarter. And then, you know, bigger picture just with increased political focus on, you know, personalized profitability. Is there any concern about that business just from a political lens on the lender place? Thanks.

No, I don't think we have concerns on the political front. Um, I think the farm bill actually got extended into September, 2026. It's in a, it's supported by both sides, you know, both Republicans and Democrats, uh, generally in, um, in that, um, you know, the, as far as the pricing goes, um, as far as pricing goes, uh, you know, these are our customers, you know, our large, large groupings of, uh, properties in that in our, um, and so it kind of depends quarter by quarter based off of, uh, say how, you know, what a, what a client might have in the way of coastal property. And that may require a greater price, you know, a greater price, uh, versus an account that doesn't. So it, you can always expect some lumpiness around pricing. That said, this business is extremely profitable, and I think that rates have plateaued. I think there still is an effort to continue to move the biggest part of the business to insuring on a replacement cost value versus unpaid mortgage balance. I think that continues to be a positive for this business. We did, I think as I mentioned in the second quarter of last year, we did make a decision to seed more of the coastal exposed property business, which did have some impact mainly towards the last half of the year. I think this year we would expect you know, kind of low single-digit growth in this business, all things considered.

One moment for our next question.

Our next question comes from the line of Paul Newsome from Piper Sandler.

Hello. Thanks for the call. I was hoping you could give us a little bit more color about some of the social inflation-related businesses that you were remediating in the last year or so. It sounds like those businesses are maybe stabilized. Are you in a position where you can now grow those? those businesses or are they just sort of, you know, sort of stabilized? So maybe, you know, a little bit of thoughts on that and whether those businesses, they take a little longer before they go back to a growth potential.

Yeah.

I think as we've mentioned in the past that, you know, we feel that, you know, we've kind of worked through a cycle of corrective steps in our nonprofit business and in our excess liability business, you know, restructuring to lower average limits and et cetera, et cetera, as well as price. I think if you notice in the third quarter, I mean, in the fourth quarter, specialty casualty grew. You know, we had low single-digit growth in that quarter. which is a positive. And I think when you look at, say, the excess liability business overall, it grew overall. So I think that points towards this year, I think, an opportunity, you know, to see, you know, some mid-single-digit growth potentially in both excess liability or nonprofit business growth. and that. So I think we would see, again, as I mentioned before, those businesses returning and having some growth opportunities and specialty, casualty in general.

Makes sense. I wanted to ask a little bit of an extra question on the alternative investment portfolio. You're obviously hoping for or expecting a higher return this next year, but maybe not quite as high as it's historically done. Are there certain macroeconomic things or particular things about the portfolio that as an outsider we should be looking towards that would signal that extra couple of percent back to normal?

Paul, this is Craig. As I think you know, around 50% of the alternative portfolio is in multifamily. And there has been a big oversupply the last couple of years of new multifamily properties that have been delivered. And the absorption rate is actually very strong. But we think it's probably going to take another couple of quarters to get back to a more normal environment. historically, even with the, uh, uh, poor returns that, you know, in the recent past, uh, over the last five years, we've still earned between 10 and 11% total return on, uh, our multifamily investments and, and good years significantly above that. So, uh, to get back to the historical, uh, levels of returns on the alternatives, it is going to, uh, to require the multifamily properties to, uh, have a better rate environment, which is, as I said in the conference call script, we're seeing clearly a bottoming and we're seeing some favorable signs in terms of absorption and new starts at a 10 or 12 year low. So we think sometime in the last half of the year, we're going to see a better environment and in 2027 and going forward for some number of years, we think it's going to be a pretty favorable environment for multifamily. But that's what is going to be required to get back to our historical return levels on alternatives.

So the group here is mentioning that on the question about lender-placed property and the political uh, exposure. I think I was talking about the crop as on the lender side. Um, I think when you look at the regulation of that business, it's been more state by state, uh, and that, but I don't see, um, I don't see lots of political risks with regards to a lender place property. Um, you know, I think it's, uh, to the lenders, I think it's providing a service, particularly, uh, you know, when a lot of the business is due to cancellation of a homeowner's insurer by a homeowner's insurer. So, you know, it really provides a healthy backstop to financial institutions, you know, to make sure that there's coverage. So I don't see much political risk there.

I'll take this.

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Meyer Shields from KBW.

Hi, good morning. This is Jingyang from there. My first question is on the premium growth. This is an assumption of 3% to 5%. Just curious if you guys could elaborate on which specific business lines are in the most favorable pricing. getting into 2026, and what you see the greatest opportunities for possible growth within your 3% to 5% premium growth assumption?

Yeah, I think the good news is at this point, you know, for the vast majority of our businesses, you know, we think that we have an opportunity, you know, for premium growth this year. I think also when you look at the profitability of our businesses, almost all of our businesses are really meeting or exceeding the targeted returns that we require. So I think we'd love to have as much opportunity as we can get within pretty much all of our businesses in that.

Got it. Thank you.

My second question will be on the specialty financial group. You guys reported the client near written premium due to the increased seeding of costal exposed property business in the financial institutions. Just curious if you can provide more color on the reinsurance strategy change made. and whether this level of session is expected going forward in 2026.

Yeah, we started that in the second quarter of 25, so that book would have rolled on a different reinsurance basis through the first half of this year. If you're familiar with us, historically, we're a company that's had a relatively lower catastrophe exposure than our peers. And we've had a lower appetite, right or wrong or otherwise, for coastal property, pure earthquake risk, et cetera, et cetera. I think, you know, we carefully manage, FIS is probably the business that has our biggest property exposure. So, you know, we very carefully manage that to what are, you know, the coastal exposures to what our overall company philosophy is. And, you know, when you look at our 1 in 250 or 1 in 500, you know, You know, exposure to capital, Brian, 1 in 500 exposure, you know, today for hurricane.

Yeah, it's less than 3%, so compared to industry numbers, that might be closer to double digit.

Got it. Thank you for the details.

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Anderson from Jefferies.

Hey, good morning. You had previously been doing some re-underwriting on casualty around social services, and I think within some pockets of ENS. Are you done with these underwriting actions as we head into 2026 and they're no longer a headwind?

Yeah, for the most part. You know, we might have a couple million dollars of business that's still to be non-renewed this year, particularly in the daycare side of things. We're pretty much through... non-renewal actions in housing accounts and that. So, you know, last year the premium was down. I think this year, as I think I mentioned earlier, I think we would expect, you know, kind of some modest premium growth in this business and that.

Thanks. And then, Brian, if we go back to specialty casualty and the underlying loss ratio there. I'm just trying to understand the 69 in the quarter. Was there an intra-year catch-up in the fourth quarter? I suppose I'm just trying to get better color on what was the true underlying trend and what is maybe the kicking off point for 26 underlying.

Sure. So we look at our loss picks every quarter and make adjustments throughout the year. So, so in some of those units, things were, haven't been adjusted all year. The one that, the one that probably had a larger adjustment in the fourth quarter was the California workers comp. But again, that's on the business that for the full year is less than a hundred million dollars of premium. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that that's a run, right? I think the, the, the California workers comp adjustment probably elevates the, the, the loss ratio a little bit. I think if you look at the, the full year loss ratio for casualty, that's probably a better indication of like a run rate type of number.

Okay, thanks. And then maybe one more, just looking at the expense ratio, I think as we came into 25, there was maybe some business mix shift headwind and some commission changes. Have those kind of find their level now and perhaps we could see some improvement into 26?

Yeah, there will always be a mix of impact, mix of business impact. Carl mentioned something like our embedded insurance that could lead to some growth. When we look at businesses, we look at the ROEs overall and the combined ratios to drive those ROEs. So if we grow in a business with a higher expense ratio, that would have a negative impact. What I would say in terms of the – other things that might affect that. We continue to invest in the future for the company, so we continue to have some initiatives around customer experience, data analytics, which would include things like AI and machine learning, as well as IT security that can have a sort of a negative impact in the current period, but it's setting us up for strong ROEs in the long run. So I think that we should be good there. Not that you wouldn't see some upticks or downticks, but I think another thing that I guess to know, if you're looking at the expense ratio overall, is to remind you that in some of our businesses, we receive seating commissions that vary with the profitability of the business. So like in the fourth quarter, the expense ratio of property and transportation looks very low. That's because with a very strong crop year, the seating commission is higher and some seating commissions reduce underwriting expenses. The expense ratio looks very strong there. And then on the other side, in the financial segment, where we have the very profitable underplace business, some of the commissions that we pay to brokers and agents are vary with profitability over long periods of time. So as you add on collective strong performance quarter after quarter in that business, those profit-based commissions go up. So you see improved loss ratios in that business, but then because the broker commission goes up, it can cause the expense ratio to be a little higher.

Thank you.

One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Zaremski from BMO.

Hi, just one more for me on capital management. I see the special dividend announcement, but just curious whether no buybacks or material amount this quarter. You've done buybacks at similar valuation levels in previous quarters. Just wondering, should we think about share repurchases to resume in 2026, or how should we be thinking about that?

Yeah, Mike, this is Craig. I wouldn't read too much into no-share repurchases in the fourth quarter. As we've said previously, we're opportunistic in terms of repurchase programs. And when our shares are trading at a meaningful discount, we like to keep enough dry powder on hand to be in a position to buy a significant amount of shares in. I would comment that we did make a decision to reduce the special dividend that we're paying in the first quarter by 50 cents versus the previous year to save a little more dry powder for other alternatives, including the potential for share repurchases.

Thank you.

At this time, I would now like to turn the conference back over to Diana Widener for closing remarks.

Thank you all for joining us this morning and for the great opportunity to answer your questions and share a little bit more about AFG's story. So we look forward to chatting with you all again next quarter when we share our first quarter results. Hope you all have a great day. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.