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spk12: Hello, and welcome to Albemarle Corporation's Q2 2023 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, again, press star followed by the number one. I will now hand it over to Meredith Bandy, Vice President of Investor Relations and Sustainability.
spk01: Thank you, Aisha, and welcome everyone to Albemarle's second quarter 2023 earnings conference call. Our earnings released after the close of market yesterday, and you'll find the press release and earnings presentation posted to our website under the Investors section at albemarle.com. Joining me on the call today are Kent Masters, Chief Executive Officer, and Scott Tozier, Chief Financial Officer. Neffa Johnson, President of Specialties, and Eric Norris, President of Energy Storage, are also available for Q&A. As a reminder, some of the statements made during this call, including our outlook, guidance, expected company performance, and timing of expansion projects, may constitute forward-looking statements. Please note the cautionary language about forward-looking statements contained in our press release and earnings presentation, which also applies to this call. Please also note that some of our comments today refer to non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations can be found in our earnings materials. Now I'll turn the call over to Ken.
spk03: Thank you, Meredith. Our second quarter results continued the positive trend from last quarter, with net sales up 60% and EBITDA up 69% versus the same period last year. We have increased our energy storage outlook for 2023 based on current market prices. Of course, the long-term shift to electric vehicles is well established and growing. Automakers are planning ahead to accommodate that future growth. For example, we signed a strategic agreement with Ford to supply over 100,000 metric tons of lithium hydroxide over a five-year period starting in 2026. One of the reasons our customers choose Albemarle is our commitment to sustainability. In June, our Salar de Atacama site became the first lithium resource in the world to complete an independent audit and have its audit report published by IRMA, the Initiative for Responsible Mining Assurance. We achieved an IRMA 50 level of performance, and a third-party auditor verified that the solar site met 70% of over 400 rigorous IRMA requirements, covering topics such as water management, human rights, greenhouse gas emissions, fair labor, and terms of work. Also during the quarter, Albemarle's growth and impact on the energy transition were recognized by inclusion in the Fortune 500 rankings and in the Time 100 Most Influential Companies list. We continue to invest in future capacity to meet long-term demand. The Solar Yield Improvement Project reached mechanical completion on schedule, and the Meishan Project in China is ahead of schedule with mechanical completion now expected in early 2024. Last month, we announced agreements to simplify and amend our joint venture with Mineral Resources. I'll update you on these activities later in the presentation. And for now, I'll hand it over to Scott to walk you through our financial results.
spk05: Thanks, Kent, and hello, everyone. On slide five, let's review our second quarter performance. Net sales were $2.4 billion, up 60% compared to last year. This nearly $1 billion increase was driven by energy storage as a result of both higher market pricing and higher volumes, which were up almost 40%. Net income attributable to Albemarle was approximately $650 million, up 60% compared to the prior year. Diluted EPS was $5.52, also up almost 60%. and adjusted diluted EPS of $7.33 was more than double last year. At the end of July, we reached agreements in principle with the Department of Justice on a matter that we initially disclosed in 2018 related to conduct in our catch-in business occurring prior to 2018. Our Q2 GAAP results included an approximately $219 million accrual to resolve this matter. Looking at slide number six, second quarter adjusted EBITDA was over $1 billion, an increase of nearly 70% year-over-year driven primarily by higher pricing as well as higher volumes in energy storage. Our specialties business was down year-over-year due to lower volumes and pricing related to weakness in certain end markets such as electronics and
spk04: insurance claim receipts, and lower energy costs.
spk05: Let's look at the updated total company outlook on slide seven. We are raising our 2023 guidance for net sales and adjusted EBITDA to reflect current lithium market prices. As has been our practice, this guidance assumes recent lithium market price indices are constant for the remainder of the year. And as a result, we have increased the lower end of the range for net sales. We now expect 2023 total company net sales to be in the range of $10.4 to $11.5 billion. We expect third quarter net sales to be relatively flat sequentially, followed by an increase in fourth quarter net sales as we ramp energy storage volumes. We're increasing our adjusted EBITDA guidance to be in the range of $3.8 to $4.4 billion. This implies full-year EBITDA margins in the range of 37% to 38%, also up from previous guidance. Our full-year 2023 adjusted diluted EPS guidance is also increasing to a range of $25 to $29.50, reflecting a year-over-year improvement of about 25% at the midpoint. We expect our net cash from operations to be in the range of $1.2 to $1.8 billion. This is a decrease in outlook driven primarily by two factors. First, higher working capital related to the timing of our energy storage shipments. We now expect lithium sales volumes to be weighted towards the back half of the year, particularly in Q4, due to the timing of our growth projects and tolling volumes. This is expected to result in higher accounts receivable at year end, which will convert to cash in early 2024. Second, this outlook assumes that the DOJ payment of approximately $219 million is made by year end. Our capex guidance has increased to $1.9 to $2.1 billion. This increase reflects the revised agreements with Mineral Resources. Following these revisions, Albemarle will maintain 100% ownership of the Kemerton, Chinjau, and Meishan lithium processing plants. Apart from this change, capital spending is in line with previous forecasts. Turning to the next slide for more detail on our outlook by segment. We're increasing our full year 2023 energy storage net sales guidance to be in the range of $7.9 to $8.8 billion. Energy storage volume growth is expected to be at the higher end of the previous range of 30 to 40% year-over-year, thanks to increased tolling and successful project execution. We also project average realized pricing increases to be at the higher end of the previous range of 20 to 30% year-over-year, assuming recent lithium market prices continue through the rest of 2023. Adjusted EBITDA for energy storage is expected to increase in the range of $3.5 to $3.9 billion. This 15 to 30 percent increase is due to higher net sales, which we expect to more than offset the timing impacts of higher-priced spodumene inventories. In specialties, we continue to see pressure in our end markets. Weakness in consumer and industrial electronics and elastomers is only partially offset by strong demand in other markets like pharmaceuticals, agriculture, and oil field services. Similar to other specialty chemicals companies, we are reducing our outlook for the full year 2023. Net sales are now expected in the range of $1.5 to $1.6 billion and adjusted EBITDA is anticipated to be between $385 and $440 million. Q2 is expected to be the weakest quarter of the year. We took advantage of the recent market slowdown to pull forward planned maintenance and reduce inventory to maximize efficiency and free cash flow in the second half of 2023. Ketchin's 2023 full-year adjusted EBITDA is expected to be up 325 to 425% over the prior year. This increase in outlook is due primarily to insurance recoveries, which are not expected to recur, as well as ongoing recovery in refining prices and improved processing costs.
spk11: As a reminder, most of our energy storage volumes index referenced variable price contracts, and 20% spot.
spk05: There's been no other change to our contract philosophy or structure of these contracts. Our strategy to deliver long-term growth remains on track. Turning to slide 10, we continue to expect year-over-year energy storage volume growth in the range of 30 to 40% in 2023. We anticipate coming in at the higher end of that range, primarily driven by the La Negra 3-4 expansion, the acquisition of the Qingzhou conversion asset, plus additional toll.
spk04: Seven, we remain on track to nearly triple sales volumes to more than 300,000 tons.
spk11: Our revised energy storage.
spk05: Late 2022 and early 2023, primarily related to spodumene inventory lags at our Taliesin joint venture. On average, it takes at least six months for spodumene to go from our mines through conversion to lithium pricing faster than higher spodumene cost goods sold. This year is the reverse. As prices decline, we are realizing lower lithium prices faster than lower spodumene costs, and we expect a majority-counting treatment of the marble joint venture. The result is about a 5% lower reported margin for 2023. Finally, our reported EBITDA margins are impacted by tax expense at Taliesin. Palates and net income is included in our EBITDA on an after-tax basis. If you adjusted Taliesin results to exclude tax, margins would be about 60%. Turning to slide 12, we will continue to invest with discipline. allocating our capital and cash flows to support our highest return growth opportunities. Our primary use of capital remains organic growth projects to leverage our low cost resources in Australia and the Americas. Beyond organic growth, we also consider a broad range of M&A opportunities, primarily across three areas.
spk04: Core business. and for new advanced materials, and battery recycling.
spk05: As previously disclosed in March, Albemarle submitted an indicative proposal to acquire Liontown Resources, a pre-production spodumene resource in Australia. our strategy is the acquisition of the Western Lithium subsidiary of Lithium Power International that we completed in July in a cash transaction of just over $20 million.
spk11: This purchase provides
spk05: And this week, we intend to maintain our track record of a disciplined M&A process to accelerate higher return growth while preserving financial flexibility. Our balance sheet flexibility is a competitive advantage. that allows us to grow both organically and through acquisition, as well as support our dividend. And with that, I'll turn it back over to Kent for a market update and closing remarks. Thanks, Scott.
spk03: One of the reasons we can report strong financial results is our disciplined operating model. We call it the Albemarle Way of Excellence. Our four operating pillars are high performance culture, competitive capabilities, operational discipline, and a sustainable approach. And these aren't just words, they are principles that guide our decision making. Today, I'll highlight operational discipline, which includes business, manufacturing, and capital project excellence. Through initiatives and operational discipline, we've targeted $250 million in productivity benefits over this year and the next, and we are on track to exceed that goal. Our goal in manufacturing excellence is to drive best-in-class discipline and operating efficiency with a target of $150 million of savings over the next two years. Across our businesses, we've realized value in our manufacturing operations through yield improvement and better utilization of raw materials and energy. Through Project AI, which we call Albemarle Intelligence, we're leveraging machine learning to optimize our manufacturing processes. Our global procurement team is strategically sourcing to pull purchasing and capture raw materials and logistics efficiency enhancements in real time. With continuous improvement, we are targeting $100 million of productivity benefits this year. Another execution principle under operational discipline is capital projects excellence. Our focus on capital project execution is paying off. with four global projects progressing on time and on budget, including the Solar Yield Improvement Project, Meishan, Richburg, and Kings Mountain. As we continue to develop projects around the world, our objective is to build the structure, capabilities, discipline, and design approach that enable faster capacity growth at lower capital intensity. Turning to slide 14 for an update on more of our capital projects. In Chile, I'm pleased to report that our solar yield improvement project recently achieved mechanical completion on time and has transitioned into commissioning. In Australia, Kimmerton One continues to produce battery grade products subject to customer qualification. While there have been challenges, particularly in light of the very tight labor market in Western Australia, we are proud of our Australian team as they commission that plant and deliver products to our customers. we are applying what we've learned to the construction of Kimerton 2 and Kimerton 3 and 4 projects have recently gated into execution. In China, Chenzhou is ramping up on budget and on schedule to nameplate capacity. And the construction of Meishan is progressing on budget and ahead of schedule with mechanical completion now expected in early 2025. As mentioned earlier in the call, We have agreed to amend the terms of the transaction signed earlier this year with Mineral Resources. Under the amended agreements, we will acquire 100% ownership of Kemerton and retain 100% ownership of Meishan and Chenzo lithium conversion assets. Other key aspects of the February 2023 agreement remain in effect, including a 50-50 ownership of the Wajita mine and an April 2022 economic effective date. The transfer of 10% interest in Wajana is exchanged for 25% interest in Kimberton. Upon closing, we expect to pay mineral resources $380 to $400 million. About half is related to the purchase of the remaining 15% ownership stake in Kimberton, and about half relates to economic effective date settlements and other transaction costs. This transaction is anticipated to close later this year after we receive Australian regulatory approvals. On slide 15, EV sales over the last quarter indicate 2023 global electric vehicle sales are on track for 40% growth. After a slower start to the year, EV sales have picked up, with global sales up 41% and China up 45% year over year through June. China has regained growth momentum, with June representing the largest monthly EV sales since last December. In Europe, easing supply chain issues have lifted sales by about 20% year-to-date. Despite mixed macroeconomic conditions, the outlook for global full-year EV demand remains resilient, driven by the introduction of new models, new incentives, and the expansion of charging infrastructure. Since May, we have seen a rebound in lithium market pricing driven by downstream restocking and strong EV and battery production. Customers are returning to the spot market after destocking to unsustainably low levels of inventory against the backdrop of growing demand, with lithium inventories decreasing in the supply chain over the last few months. Global lithium supply demand remains relatively balanced. driven by increased EV demand as well as challenges in bringing on new projects. As we continue to expand our lithium capacity, our scale, global footprint, and vertical integration positions Albemarle to sustainably meet growing customer demand. While we're pleased that the lithium market remains strong, we continue to focus on managing the things that are within our control for long-term value creation. We're delivering growth in both sales and earnings. We anticipate 2023 sales to be up 40 to 55% over last year with healthy margins. While the EV market is clearly the star at the moment, we are a global leader in world-class long-term assets and a diversified product portfolio with broad opportunities in the mobility, energy, connectivity, and health markets. Our focus on sustainability is not only aligned to our values, it also aligns with our customers' values and creates an advantage for us in the marketplace. Our strategy is clear, our markets are growing, and our discipline in both how we operate and how we allocate capital gives us an edge across economic cycles. With that, I'd like to turn the call back over to the operator to begin the Q&A portion.
spk12: At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Also bear in mind, this Q&A session is limited to one question per person and one follow-up. Your first question comes from the line of John Spector from UBS. Your line is open.
spk02: Good morning, everybody. It's Chris Perella on for Josh. Could you work through the timing and the cost impact of the spodumene sales on the third quarter and fourth quarter? Thank you.
spk05: Hey, Chris. Thanks for this. This is Scott. So we expect the impact of the spodumene cost to be most acute in the third quarter. We'll see a headwind in the fourth quarter that's very similar to what we saw in the second quarter. So again, it'll be mostly in the third quarter, and then it'll start to abate in the fourth quarter.
spk13: Your next question comes from the line of Patrick Cunningham from Citi.
spk12: Your line is open.
spk18: Hi, good morning. Can you elaborate a little bit on the strategic rationale for the investments in early-stage hard rock assets in Australia and Canada? Should we expect these regions to be the focus of resource M&A going forward, or is there anything on the table, maybe in South America or the U.S.? ?
spk03: Yeah, I think, I mean, we've been talking about pivoting toward resources from an M&A strategy for a while and then also going a little early stage so we get in on these opportunities earlier when they're not as expensive. Now, there's more risk in that, but we're taking smaller stakes to get our foot in the door, so to speak, and then it allows us to get information and analyze the opportunity as it develops, and then we'll have an opportunity later whether we participate in a bigger way or not. And it's not... The opportunities are where the resource is, and we look at those, and we try and we'll look at the jurisdictions where it's the most favorable for us to do business. And really, that's wherever the resource is. But North America, Canada, Western Australia, mining jurisdictions that we're very familiar with, we're used to it, geopolitical. very stable. They're used to mining operations, so Canada a little bit more than the U.S. and North America, but those are favorable, but we'll look everywhere for where the resources are, including South America. Everywhere there's resources, we look, but we balance those geopolitical stability, are they used to mining, permitting, all those issues when we make decisions.
spk13: Your next question comes from the line of
spk12: Christopher Parkinson from company Mizzou. Your line is open.
spk00: Yep. How are you? This is Harris Fine on for Chris. So, you know, now that you've basically bought MnRES out of your downstream assets, you have the Megaflex facility to be thinking about down the line. So, you know, how do you feel about your current resource footprint and, and, Maybe it'd be helpful if you could do a quick walkthrough of how you're thinking about additions to your portfolio. Thanks.
spk03: Yes. So, look, a couple years ago, we were talking about acquisition of conversion facilities. We did that at Chin Tso, and we've been building those out organically. And we've been talking about pivoting toward resources as we feel like we've starting to utilize our resource with the conversion facilities that we have we need to identify additional resources toward the end of the decade so we're pretty much good to about the end of the decade or so and we need additional resources beyond that but the lead time given to identify qualify and then bring a resource on we need that kind of we need that kind of time so we feel pretty balanced now. I mean, look at the difference between now that we bought MinRes out, we've got full control of those assets. Operationally, it's simpler, it's better, but it wasn't a huge move between we were probably a little short on conversion, now we're a little long, but that gives us opportunities to, if we find a resource we can bring on quickly, we can process spodumene for our customers. We have some customers that have have secured spy jimmy we can process that and participate with them in that way so i don't think it was a major shift and it's not a it's not a shift in our long-term strategies we're still we're looking for those resources we're good pretty much on resource uh and conversion with the current build program we have close to the end of the decade but after that we need more resources
spk13: Your next question comes from the line of Colin Rush from Oppenheimer.
spk12: Your line is open.
spk08: Guys, I have a two-part question. One, can you speak to how you're handling volumes that are going to fairly large OEMs in the U.S. and Europe that are a little bit slow on EV ramps, where those volumes are ending up? And then the second question is around the viability of pressure leaching process. How do you guys see that as a potential way to simplify supply chain logistics as you move into areas that have a little bit more intense environmental considerations from a compliance perspective.
spk03: Okay. Carla, can you just clarify the second comment? I didn't really pick up the technology you referenced.
spk08: The potential for pressure leaching processes rather than basically eliminating the asset from the process. Yeah, okay. Autoclave.
spk03: Yeah. You want to take the OEM question?
spk07: Sure, Colin. This is Eric. With regard to OEM volumes, just a first comment I would make is that the vast majority of OEM contracted volumes today are future-based. They're for mid-decade onwards. More of the supply chain for their lithium needs is secured today through battery producers. We've seen through the middle of the year very strong demand. Over 40% demand growth in registered EV sales through June. Early data from China on July looks promising as well. So we're not seeing any pressure. We've certainly seen headlines that certain EV models in the U.S. potentially may be slower. But I would caution you that that's a small part of the market. The rest of the market and the demand we're seeing is quite strong. That's the second question. I don't know if you wanted to address that, Ken.
spk03: Yeah, I think, look, we have a lot of effort on R&D development, particularly around process chemistry and extraction around that. But I think the autoclave processes is one of the ones we're investigating, and I think the industry is looking at, but it's down the road. So we're focused on not only kind of near-term, what we're operating today, because we think there are significant productivity gains that we get out of our existing facilities as we develop more sophisticated processes around that in the years to come. So the new plants we're bringing up today, we see big productivity opportunities going forward for the next, well, 10 years probably, and probably beyond that as we get better and better at the process chemistry. It's still... early technology. It's been operated for quite some time, but at scale, it's still early technology. And then new technologies around that with different leaching agents and different techniques like pressure with an autoclave is something that we're looking at, but it's not something that's going to be in scale production in the next year or two. Perfect.
spk08: Thanks so much, Vince.
spk12: Your next question is from the line of David Declan from TD Cowen. Your line is open.
spk14: Hey, Kent and Scott. Thanks for the time this morning. I wanted to just ask, you know, post the mineral resources restructuring in the Marble JV, you're obviously allocating more capital to conversion assets that you were building out in theory together in the future. That puts a burden more on CapEx this year and presumably at some point next year. Does that in any way change how you're thinking about the trajectory of your growth investments as you manage the balance sheet over the next couple of years?
spk04: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't.
spk03: I mean, look, we're spending a little more capital than we had originally anticipated, but it doesn't change it dramatically. But we do have to watch. balance sheet carefully and be disciplined as we invest. But we need to make sure that we're balanced as we go forward, but we don't give up opportunities. So you see us looking for those resources and investing in those and the opportunities that are public and the ones we've just closed. So it's a combination of getting resources that are near term to the market, and then investing for the long term as well. And we're trying to be very disciplined about this. We watch our balance sheet. We're very serious about that, but we don't want to miss opportunities as they come up.
spk05: And David, I just add, I mean, this is a huge competitive advantage for Album Raw. If you look across the competitive set, there just is not a big balance sheet out there at many of our competitors. That just gives us the flexibility to handle the ups and downs in the market, but then the opportunities that Kent talked about.
spk14: Yeah, that's good. Maybe just a little bit more granular on tolling volumes. Can you give a sense of magnitude of tolling volumes expected in the back half of the year versus the beginning of the year? And was there a point, I suppose, in the first quarter where you might have been withholding toll volumes just based on market conditions at the time?
spk07: Yeah, this is Eric speaking. So our tolling volumes overall for this year will be about twice what we did last year. And it is largely for two reasons. One, because it takes a while to qualify and find the right tollers and partners as we grow that volume. So there's a lag in that. That pushes it into the second half of the year, as well as spodumene availability is also back in loaded in the second year. And then finally, you referenced a market phenomenon. We were in a weak market in January, February, where you're quite right, we were not aggressively going after incremental volumes because of the state of the market. As we sit here today, the market is quite strong. We've seen this growth I referenced in the earlier comment around over 40% growth in EV sales. We see strong demand for product in all regions. And as it pertains to tolling in China, it will be back and loaded both because the demand is there, but also because we have the available supply and relationships in place. Yeah, and there's a balance here between them.
spk03: We're building large conversion assets and ramping those up. We're expanding mines and resources, bringing those on, some with different techniques around that. So tolling is a way that we can balance some of that, and we've been able to leverage that effectively.
spk07: Yeah, I might also add that, you know, to your earlier question that another individual asked around some of the additional conversion capacity coming on the min-res deal, that's now volume that we can self-produce as opposed to toll as well. And so while, you know, if you look at the next 18 months, we are probably still long resource versus conversion. Adding more conversion in their term means we can do less tolling and bring in self-produce. And that's really how we look at our totaling business. There's always some amount we do. It will vary as we bring on assets. And it allows us to continue to have a large and growing footprint in the market. It's a part of why we are going to be at the higher end of our 30% to 40% growth range in volume year over year. But then our strategy is to self-produce. And we certainly have the ability, far more so than the other producers we talked about, to build that capacity both inside and outside of China. to meet that demand growth.
spk12: Your next question comes from the line of Matthew Dio from Bank of America. Your line is open.
spk16: Morning. Thank you. It seems like your inventory keeps building quarter over quarter here. And I assume maybe some of that's going to get fed into Kemerton. But it seems to me like a pretty significant amount of tonnage is sitting on the books. What else is going on here, or how should we think about the way that turns to cash if it does?
spk05: Yeah, so it's a good question. So we continue to see our inventory balances grow. It's really being driven by two things, volume as we've been ramping, capacity, tolling as we talked about, as Eric talked about. But the second thing to keep in mind is that spodumene prices are going up in that cycle, so that's an impact on our inventory balance. if you actually look at it on a day's basis of days of inventory, it's very consistent. So it's, it, you know, it's really just driven by the volume metric growth and that, and those pricing impacts ultimately. So it's really not a over, we're not over indexed on inventory. We're not under kind of right in line with what we're expected to be.
spk16: Okay. And you know, your, your partner at marble made, uh, some comments on the earnings call around, uh, questions for trade relationships between China and Australia and where it makes sense to have conversion assets or not. I mean, do you think that they're wrong? And I guess, does it make sense to look to secure hard rock in a country that maybe has better trade relationships with Australia over time as you think about, you know, the sustainability of feedstock to your China conversion network?
spk03: Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what Mental Resources said on their call, but we have different views of the geopolitical risk between Australia and China. They're an Australian company. We're a U.S. company. The lithium business is a significant business in China, and we've got significant footprint there. And our customers all operate there for the most part. And then we've been public about our pivot to the West. So we plan to serve the Chinese market, but also pivot and invest West so we can localize the supply chain in the West for both. And we'll continue to look for resource where we can find it. Australia is a stable economy. The geopolitical risk is minimal, and it's a mining district. They understand mining. They understand tailings. It's a good location to operate in from a mining standpoint, so we won't be shying away from that from that standpoint. We'd love to diversify our resource base geographically more, but lithium is tight, and where you find the good resources is where you end up going, and then you end up having to manage the geopolitical aspects of that.
spk07: And Kent, just to reiterate, just clarify that our resource base is in Australia, Western Australia, North America, now with Kings Mountain, certainly Silver Peak. We have this investment now in Patriot. And then South America, largely Chile, obviously. So our resources, those and those would be the areas that we continue to focus on as being the favorable jurisdiction with sort of low cost, first quartile cost position resources. So, yeah, that's right. And what we do in China is conversion. And there's a great there's a large market for for demand and demand in China and certainly a growing one. And as we go to the West.
spk03: Yeah. And that's and that's I think that is the most diverse resource network within the industry. And we would like to continue to build that.
spk12: Your next question comes from the line of Arun Vishwethnathan from RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.
spk15: Great. Thanks. Just had a question, I guess, on the guidance construct and the pricing. You know, obviously, when you move to more index-based contracts, last year definitely was a positive from a cash flow and balance sheet statement point of view. Scott, you just kind of reiterated some of those benefits and competitive advantages. But obviously, we've also experienced quite a bit of volatility on the lithium price front. So I know it's not necessarily easy to forecast prices there, but that is a little bit more part of the Albemarle operating model now at this point, the lithium spot price environment. I mean, is that an accurate statement? And, you know, how do you feel about providing guidance now with this volatility that we've experienced? So I guess, you know, my concern would be, you know, prices again go back down to that $25,000 to $30,000 per ton level. You know, would you be required to kind of lower your guidance at that point? How do you just think about philosophically about the guidance construct at this point? Thanks.
spk03: Right. So, I mean, there's a couple of things in there. One, so we have pivoted to be more index-based. I mean, we still have typically long-term contracts, but they're referenced to a market index. So we're going to move with the market. And so with that move, we decided to do our guidance by not forecasting lithium prices, but by basically take whatever the market is today and we forecast it for the balance of the year. And that's the methodology that we're going to use for the foreseeable future, the near term. Ultimately, our goal is that we get to where we can forecast lithium price and we feel confident in that. We don't feel confident in that today. So it feels prudent to... We tried to give you the tools to adjust based on your view of that market, and that's kind of how we do guide it at the moment. Ultimately, we would like to be able to forecast and feel good about that, but that's not in the near term.
spk05: I think the other thing just to remember is given our low-cost resources, our low-cost operations, it allows us to earn throughout the cycle. So we're going to have reasonable margins throughout the cycle, no matter where that price goes. And so I think that gives us more confidence in being able to take this guidance approach as well.
spk15: Great. And just, you know, you made the investment in Patriot. There was, you know, obviously some other moves that you've, you know, approached on the M&A side. What else should we expect there? you know, continued partnerships, you know, how do you feel about the integration level backwards into resource at this point? And are there any larger investments that you're still thinking about or contemplating? Thanks.
spk03: I think if the question about integrating into the resource, I mean, that's fundamental to our strategy to be integrated from resource and conversion all the way to the customers. And we can guarantee the quality and the production because of the quality of the resource. And then we actually do the conversion. So as requirements become more sophisticated and the lithium products become more sophisticated, we expect to be on the leading edge of that. So that's fundamental to our strategy. uh and i mean from a resource standpoint as we said we we think we're pretty good until the end of the decade but given the time it takes to develop resources uh we need to be identifying and bringing and owning uh additional resources working on that now and you see us i mean that's some of the activity that you that you see from us out there and that will will continue to do that
spk12: Your next question is from the line of Kevin McCarthy from Vertical Research Partners. Your line is open.
spk09: Yes, good morning. A two-part question on Marble, if I may. Scott, would you comment on how margins might change as you execute on the second version of the restructuring of that joint venture? In other words, does the 5% drag that you reference on slide 11 go away completely or partially. And then in that same press release two weeks ago, you also indicated an acceleration of the Michon project. And I'm wondering why that's the case. Is it, for lack of a better term, related to an experience curve where you now have greater capability to bring on conversion capacity more quickly than was the case in the past? Thank you. I'll do the margin. I'll cover capital.
spk05: Yeah, I'll take the marble question and the impact on margin. So as part of the restructuring of that joint venture, we've agreed for a period of time to continue to toll volumes out of the Wajana mine on behalf of MnRES. And so for a period of time, I believe it goes through the middle of next year, we'll continue to have that margin headwind. Once that period is over, we'll end up improving our margin rate ultimately. We'll change the dollars because the EBITDA dollars will be the same, but the margin rate will certainly improve by that five percentage points.
spk03: And then on the Meishan being early, it's good old-fashioned project execution. We're getting better at it. And it is also the capability in China is significant to execute these large projects. We don't have the labor issues there that we had in Australia. So there's a number of things. Part of it is our capability is getting significantly better. we're learning every time we do a project. Part of it's about the capability in China, and then the biggest piece, one of the bigger pieces is that we have labor availability there that we didn't have in Australia.
spk09: I see. And as a brief follow-up, if I may, you know, how is that experience at Meishan similar or different to, you know, what you would envision for Kemerton 3-4 in terms of capital cost and
spk03: and speed of execution well i think i mean well not just three four but let's say all the projects that we're working on i think we're getting we're we're getting we're building a significant capability it is materially different now than it was three or four years ago and we think we can execute projects around the world on budget and on schedule That said, those schedules and those budgets will be different depending on where you're executing. So Europe will be different than Western Australia. North America is different, and China is different. So I wouldn't use Meishan capital numbers and apply those around the world. That's not how it works. We've executed a very good project. We're still executing. It's not complete yet, but we're getting there. At Meishan, we think it's going to be a great project, and we feel like the capability we built is world-class in this industry in particular, but you can't take Meishan schedules and capital numbers and apply them in Western Australia or North America or Europe.
spk12: Your next question comes from the line of Mike Sison from Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Hey, good morning.
spk06: Just curious on energy storage. When I think about 2024, which I understand is so far away, but if you think about volume growth next year, you should still be in that 20, 25%. If I keep, how do I sort of calibrate where EBITDA could be from these levels? Meaning does EBITDA just go up with volume growth next year and then And then how do you sort of change or give us sort of a variable for pricing as we think about 24 for energy storage?
spk05: Yeah, Mike, that's a little far out. It's certainly given the way that we're giving guidance, it's going to be a volume story next year. Of course, pricing is going to be a question mark that we would have. And it's all based on the contract structures. We're not anticipating to have any big changes in the contract structures. So as that pricing moves, you know, we'd expect to see that trailing kind of three-month lag to what those indices are. I think, you know, scale becomes an important part of the story as well. So that'll help on our fixed costs. So you'll see a little bit of improvement there. The operating margins will improve based on productivity. Ken talked about what we're seeing with our, the Albemarle Way of Excellence and how that's translating into results. So we expect that to play a role in all of our businesses ultimately.
spk07: Eric, do you have something? I was just going to say, as it pertains to price, we, it's, as Ken said, we don't have the confidence to know exactly ourselves what price is going to do, but we do know this. We believe that the market will continue to be quite tight next year as well. There'll be significant demand growth in the market, and indeed there will be more supply growth as well, but those two will be fairly matched. It'll be a fairly tight market. So that much we foresee. How that plays out from a price standpoint to be determined.
spk06: Got it. And a quick follow-up is if you add capacity through 27 or you scale up these projects, do your fixed costs, I think you sort of mentioned, do they go down as we get to the end of the decade?
spk05: Well, fixed costs on a unit basis will go down. Obviously, fixed costs will go up as you're adding plants on an absolute basis. But on a unit basis, meaning per ton, yes, they'll go down.
spk12: Your next question is from the line of Ben Isaacson from Scotiabank. Your line is open.
spk17: Thank you very much and good morning. Just on terms of the seasonality of EV sales, since we typically see a bit of weakness in Q1, someone suggested that that could lead to kind of seasonal pullbacks in the lithium price. I just wanted to get your thoughts on that. And then just as a follow-up, can you give some specifics on the solar yield improvement? What is the volume lift and what is the shape or the timing of that? Thank you.
spk07: So Ben, this is Eric. On seasonality, indeed, whether it's ice vehicles or electric vehicles, there's a crescendo in the year. The demand is stronger in the second half seasonally than in the first. However, I would be careful to say that we had weakness in the first part of the year. We had a weak January, particularly in China, the market did, but that's really China and the timing of the new year. What happened with price and why we talked about price coming down and the inventory correction was inventory correction was not demand growth. Demand growth has remained strong and it's strengthened as the year has gone on. U.S. up over 50%, China up 45% for the middle part of the year. The only market that hasn't been as strong up in the 20% range is Europe. And I think that has a lot to do with some of the macro and other headwinds that we all know about in Europe. But as we look across here, we still see a 40% growth in the marketplace. So there are certainly lots of macro headwinds we can talk about. But despite these, we still see that secular shift supported by incentives in China. Grid storage has also been a big growth in China recently as well, and continued growth outside of China for EVs. i um yeah i guess i'd say on the demand front be careful to assume that we had a weak um first quarter it was it was not bad when it ended pretty strong actually the next question i think to use was ben what was your second question please repeat it solar yield oh solar yield thank you yeah so we
spk03: we've reached mechanical completion and we've now we're in the process of commissioning that. So that is a, uh, an efficiency. So we are able to recover more lithium for the every gallon of brine that we pump. But one, but we have to, it has to work its way through the solar system. So there's a 18 month lead time before that, those products start hitting the, uh, sales register, so to speak. So we still use the, uh, We still use the pond system to concentrate that. And I'm not sure the uplift, what would you estimate that at when we get there?
spk07: The uplift, well, look, I mean, solar yield is going to allow us to get to nameplate capacity over the next couple of years at La Negra, which is 85,000 tons. And once we start loading brine from the solar yield project into the ponds, it's actually, we're able to, It's slightly more concentrated. It was shortcutted. It's closer to six months. So within six months, so starting next year, we'll start to see the benefit of that uplift.
spk12: And our last question will be coming from the line of David Begleiter from Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
spk19: Thank you. Thank you. Good morning. First, on the energy storage for your guidance increase, can you just bridge us from the roughly $3 billion of prior guidance midpoint out of $3.7 billion of current guidance?
spk05: Yeah, David, it's really all price. I mean, we get a little bit of extra volume, but it's all just driven by the price indices, where they're sitting right now. Obviously, they've recovered off the lows that happened in April and have improved. And as we've mentioned in the prepared remarks, We've held them flat in our guidance as of the end of June.
spk19: An interest in Arkansas lithium production. Potentially, what are your current thoughts as to accessing your assets down that region?
spk03: Yeah, so we have plans to... that so we have we have access to the lithium at in the smack over at Magnolia so basically everything we pump for roaming today we would kind of an easy answer is that we process that for lithium it requires a different technology DLE based absorption base which we have been working on we have proprietary technology around that we're doing we're building pilot plants at the moment and and we plan to execute projects around that, but we want to run pilot plant. It is a new technology, and we're going to make sure that we do it right, but we have access to the brines. We've got the infrastructure at Magnolia. We're well-positioned to take advantage of that.
spk19: Thank you.
spk12: Thank you. That's all the time we have for questions. I will now pass it back to Kent Masters for closing remarks.
spk03: Okay. Thank you, Aisha. And thank you all for joining us today. We are confident in the market opportunity and our discipline strategy to achieve both short-term and long-term results. We are a global leader in minerals that are critical to a mobile, connected, healthy, and sustainable future. We continue to work to be the partner of choice for our customers and investment of choice for both the present and the future. Thank you for joining us.
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