AMETEK, Inc.

Hello, and welcome to Alma Tech's second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask the question during the session, you would need to press star 11 on your telephone. You would then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. I will now like to turn the conference over to Kevin Coleman, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer. Sir, you may begin.

Thank you, Tawanda. Good morning and welcome to Amatek's second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Joining me today are Dave Zepico, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Dala Puri, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. During the course of today's call, We will be making forward-looking statements which are subject to change based on various risk factors and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ significantly from expectations. A detailed discussion of the risk and uncertainties that may affect our future results is contained in AMETEC's filings with the SEC. AMETEC disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. Any references made on this call 2024 or 2025 results will be on an adjusted basis, excluding after-tax acquisition-related intangible amortization and excluding the pre-tax $29.2 million for 10-cent-polluted share charge in the first quarter of 2024 for integration costs related to the Paragon Medical acquisition. Reconciliations between GAAP and adjusted measures can be found in our press release and on the investor section of our website. We'll begin today's call with prepared remarks, and then we'll open it up for your questions. I'll now turn the meeting over to Dave.

Thank you, Kevin, and good morning, everyone. Amitek delivered strong second quarter results, highlighted by record-level sales on EBITDA, strong core margin expansion, and excellent earnings growth. We also raised our four-year sales and earnings guidance to reflect our second quarter results and the recent acquisition of Ferro Technologies. The addition of Ferro Technologies nicely complements our existing metrology and precision measurement businesses. Our ability to deliver strong operating performance is notable given the challenging macro environment and is a testament to the quality of our differentiated businesses, the strength of our operating capabilities, and the contributions from all Ametek colleagues. Now let me turn to our second quarter financial results. Sales were a record $1.78 billion, an increase of 2.5% from the second quarter of 2024. Organic sales were flat, acquisitions added one and a half points, and foreign currency translation was a one point benefit. Book to bill in the quarter was 1.00, and we ended the second quarter with a backlog of $3.47 billion near record levels. Our operating performance in the quarter was excellent, leading to strong margin expansion and earnings growth. Operating income in the quarter was $462 million, a 3% increase over the second quarter of 2024. Operating margins were 26% in the quarter, up 20 basis points from the prior year. Core margins, excluding the dilutive impact from acquisitions and the impact of foreign currency, were very strong at 26.7%, up 90 basis points versus the prior year. EBITDA on the quarter was a record $565 million, up 4% versus the prior year, with EBITDA margins an impressive 31.8%. This operating performance led to earnings of $1.78 per diluted share, up 7% versus the second quarter of 2024. Now let me provide some additional details at the operating group level. First, the electronic instruments group. The electronic instruments group delivered solid operating performance in the second quarter. EIG sales were $1.16 billion, up 1% from last year's second quarter. Organic sales were down 3%. Acquisitions added two points, and foreign currency was a one-point tailwind. EIG operating income was $344 million, and operating margins were 29.7%, with quarter margins a very strong 30.7%, up 40 basis points versus the prior year. The Electro-Mechanical Group had an excellent quarter, with strong sales and orders growth, record operating income, and sizable margin expansion in the quarter. EMG's second quarter sales were a record, $618 million, up 6% from the prior year. Organic sales were up 5%, and foreign currency was a one-point tailwind. Additionally, orders were again strong in the quarter with notable order strength within our Paragon and automation businesses. EMG's operating income in the second quarter was a record, $144 million, up 17% compared to the prior year. EMG's operating margins were 23.3%, up 210 basis points from the second quarter of 2024, with core margins up an impressive 260 basis points. Our businesses continue to execute well, delivering strong operating results against the backdrop of a challenging macro environment. Our business model allows us to react quickly to changing economic conditions while ensuring we remain focused on delivering long-term sustainable growth. We are committed to making strategic growth investments across our businesses to help support and accelerate progress. For all of 2025, we continue to expect to invest an incremental $85 million in strategic growth initiatives across the company, with these investments focused on research, development, and engineering, and sales and marketing. These efforts and our commitment to innovation ensure a steady stream of new products that support our customers' critical applications and position us for continued success. Our vitality index, which was 26% in the quarter, continues to reflect the success of our technology innovation strategy. I want to take a moment to highlight a recent new product introduction from our Spectro Analytical Instruments business. Spectro Analytical Instruments is a leading global provider of advanced instrumentation solutions for highly precise and accurate elemental analysis. This new product, the Spectro Green MS, is their latest solution designed for high performance elemental analysis. It addresses a key challenge in environmental and pharmaceutical laboratories by simplifying the process of analyzing complex samples for trace elements. The new product incorporates several innovations that improve workflow and efficiency, including its ability to analyze both high concentration and trace elements in a single measurement, significantly reducing analysis time for busy labs. With this new product launch, Spectro Analytical continues to advance its technology leadership and provide customers with greater speed, accuracy, and ease of use for their critical applications. This is just one of the many innovative new product introductions across our business. Now switching to capital deployment. As noted, we acquired Ferro Technologies subsequent to the end of the second quarter for approximately $920 million. FARO is a leading provider of advanced 3D metrology and digital reality solutions. Their technology solutions, which include measurement arms, laser scanners, and integrated software platforms, enable customers in end markets, including aerospace and defense, public safety, and architecture and engineering, to precisely measure and visualize physical environments for a wide range of critical applications. Ferro's product suite nicely complements our existing metrology and precision imaging capabilities, particularly within our Creaform business, providing the most comprehensive portfolio of automated 3D metrology, laser projection, and digital reality solutions. This acquisition provides Ametek with a significant presence in the fast-growing digital reality market and has a strong recurring revenue profile through its service and cloud-based subscriptions. We see significant potential to expand operating margins through integration into Ametek's global infrastructure and operating model. Faro has annual sales of approximately $340 million. We're very pleased to welcome the Faro team to Ametek and excited for the future. Strategic acquisitions are a core component of the Ametek growth model, and we are committed to deploying our strong cash flow to expand our portfolio and highly attractive market segments. Looking ahead, our acquisition pipeline remains robust. In valuable detail, we have a very strong and flexible balance sheet. We anticipate remaining active in this area. Finally, a comment on the global trade landscape. While the situation remains fluid, our businesses have been proactive in addressing the potential impacts of tariffs. As we highlighted last quarter, we have well-defined mitigation plans that are being executed across the organization. These actions are multifaceted and include targeted pricing initiatives, strategic adjustments to our global supply chains, and leveraging our worldwide manufacturing footprint to localize production. Our teams are also identifying opportunities to utilize our U.S. manufacturing presence to support global customers looking to localize or reshore their supply chains. Ametek's diversification across end markets and geographies limits our dependence on any single region, and our decentralized structure allows for the flexibility need to implement these mitigation actions quickly and effectively. We have a proven playbook for navigating through these uncertain environments, and we are making outstanding progress. Our focus remains on supporting our customers, delivering strong results, and utilizing our strong financial position to invest in our long-term growth initiatives and strategic acquisitions. Now turning to our outlook for the remainder of the year. Given our results in the second quarter and the closing of Ferro Technologies, We now expect full year sales to be up mid-single digits on a percentage basis compared to 2024. Diluted earnings per share for the year are now expected to be in the range of $7.06 to $7.20, up 3% to 5% versus the prior year. This is an increase from our previous guidance range of $7.02 to $7.18 per diluted share. For the third quarter, we anticipate overall sales to be at mid-single digits with earnings in the range of $1.72 to $1.76 per share, up 4% to 6% versus the prior year. Our full year and third quarter guidance incorporates the expected contributions from the FARO acquisition. In summary, Amitek delivered strong second quarter results. Our businesses are well positioned with differentiated technology solutions, serving a diverse set of growing niche markets. We have a durable operating model and an ability to react quickly to changing market dynamics. Our strong cash flows provide us with the opportunity to deploy meaningful capital on strategic acquisitions. Ematech remains firmly positioned to deliver a long-term sustainable growth and strong returns for our shareholders. I will now turn it over to Dalit Puri, who will cover some of the financial details of the quarter. Then we'll be glad to take your questions. Dalit.

Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. As Dave noted, Ametek had a solid second quarter, highlighted by excellent operating performance, robust core margin expansion, and strong earnings growth. Now let me provide some additional financial highlights for the second quarter. Second quarter general and administrative expenses were $27 million, or 1.5% of sales, in line with last year's second quarter. Second quarter interest expense was $17 million. Second quarter other expense was higher by approximately $3 million versus the prior period, due to lower pension income and foreign exchange movement. The effective tax rate in the quarter was 19%. in line with the second quarter of 2024. For 2025, we now anticipate our effective tax rate to be between 19 and 19.5%. As we have stated in the past, actual quarterly tax rates can differ dramatically, either positively or negatively, from this full year estimated rate. The recently enacted tax reconciliation bill aligns well with our U.S.-based manufacturing footprint and innovation-led growth models. While we are continuing to assess the full implications, we expect it to favorably impact our cash tax position. Capital expenditures in the second quarter were $29 million, and we now expect capital expenditures to be approximately $160 million for the full year, or about 2% of sales. Depreciation and amortization expense in the quarter was $108 million. For the full year, we expect appreciation and amortization to be approximately $425 million, including after-tax acquisition-related intangible amortization of approximately $210 million, or $0.91 per diluted share. Operating working capital in the second quarter was 18.6% of sales, in line with the second quarter of 2024. Operating cash flow was $359 million in the quarter. and free cash flow was $330 million. Year-to-date free cash flow conversion was 102% of net income. For 2025, we continue to expect strong free cash flow conversion of approximately 115% of net income. Total debt at June 30th was $1.9 billion, down from $2.1 billion at the end of 2024. Offsetting this debt was cash and cash equivalents of $620 million. At the end of the second quarter, our gross debt to EBITDA ratio was 0.85, and our net debt to EBITDA ratio was 0.6. Pro forma for the acquisition of FARO, our gross debt to EBITDA ratio increases modestly from 0.85 to 1.25. With respect to our recent acquisition of FARO, we will be excluding any one-time acquisition-related costs and restructuring charges from adjusted cash EPS starting in the third quarter. This approach will also be consistently applied to all future acquisitions, ensuring comparability and clarity in our non-GAAP financial reporting. We continue to have significant financial capacity and flexibility with over $2 billion of cash and available credit facilities to support our growth initiatives and to further deploy on strategic acquisitions. In summary, Ametek had a solid second quarter, delivering strong results including robust margin expansion and earnings growth. Our leading positions across attractive market segments combined with our strong balance sheet and outstanding global operating capabilities leave us very well positioned to navigate the current environment and deliver on our grilled strategies. Kevin?

Thanks, Philip. Towanda, could we please open the lines for questions?

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder to ask the question, please press star 11 on your telephone, then wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Dean Dre with RBC. Your line is open.

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Dean. Hey, can we start off with the end market and regional tour? And given all of the fluid trading environment, it's really interesting to get your perspective on kind of the puts and takes. And Dave, could you also include the cadence of of the months, because we've heard reports recently where it was choppy month to month. And I know you've got some perspective there. We heard June was down, but then July came back. I don't know if that was a pattern you saw. So, you know, a bit to unpack there. Thank you.

Yeah, I'll try to hit all three of those. And I'll start with the tour around the company. Our overall sales for our process businesses were flat year over year as a contribution from recent acquisitions offset of 4% decline in organic sales. The trade dynamics and back and forth negotiations continue to create uncertainty and hesitation in project spending. But we remain very encouraged by a strong pipeline of underlying project activity across our businesses. And given this, we now expect organic sales for our process businesses to be flat to down low single digits for the full year. Switching to aerospace and defense, our aerospace business has delivered another very strong quarter with both overall and organic sales growth increasing high single digits. Growth was broad-based across all sub-segments in the quarter, all sub-segments, I underline that, with commercial OEM seeing the strongest growth. For the full year 2025, we now expect organic sales for our aerospace and defense businesses to be up high single digits. So we increased that from mid-single digits, feeling really good about that. Our power businesses reported low single-digit increase in both overall and organic sales for the quarter. Given our strong position serving energy, grid modernization, electrification applications, we're well-positioned for long-term growth. And for the full year, we now expect organic sales for our power and industrial businesses to be up below single digits compared to the prior year. So we increased that also from flat. So good strength in our A&D business, good strength in our power and industrial businesses. And then finally, our automation and engineering solutions. Return to growth this quarter with both overall and organic sales up below single digits. Once again, We saw strong orders growth across our Paragon business and our automation businesses in the quarter. So excited about that. And we continue to expect mid single digit organic growth for the sub segment. So overall, that's a picture around the horn. Your second question was related to the trade environment and what's going on there. Our businesses responded quickly and developed tariff response plans to mitigate the impacts. And as a reminder, we have a comprehensive plan to go after. We have select pricing increases. We have supply chain adjustments. We have some manufacturing localizations. We have some targeted cost reductions. And we saw direct benefits from these actions in the second quarter. including you know pricing supply chain changes and some of our localization experts efforts and we expect to see these benefits for the throughout the year and and you know it's a testament to our operating capability we really are managing through it well and you know I think the In our last call, we noted we were confident in our ability to offset these direct costs, and now I just add very confident to it. And, you know, I think we're in good shape in regarding tariffs. And then the last question was, you know, how are we doing, you know, how did the quarter play out? How did that all play out? And the cadences, I think you asked about, Dean. Yeah, I did. The cadence for June was the strongest month for orders and for the year. Normally, we step through the quarters with the final month of the quarter being highest, so that was pretty typical. But June was strong. It was the strongest of the quarter, strongest year to date. And July was not finished yet, but month to date is looking very good. So pretty typical quarter with June being the strongest of the quarter, both sales in order and no slowdown.

Great, Dave. That was a comprehensive answer to a multi-part question, so I'll leave it there. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, Dean.

Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Sprague with Vertical Research. Your line is open.

Hey, thanks. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Jeff. Dave, congrats on getting the arrow done. I wonder if we could just talk about that a little bit more in terms of the integration plan. I believe you see a lot more synergies there than the typical Amatek playbook given their margins coming in and the fit with Creaform and other things. So maybe you could just elaborate on what you see on synergies and then really tying it to the 2025 guide also. It doesn't look like really you're expecting much of a a benefit in 2025? I know you'll be betting it down, but if you're excluding restructuring everything, you know, I would think maybe we do get some contribution in 2025.

Yeah, that's a great question, Jeff. I'll start with, we think it'll be a couple of penny benefit in 2025. So we have a partial quarter in Q3 and then Q4. So we think we'll pick up a couple pennies there. When you take a step back and look at the acquisition, As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, it's an excellent fit with what we do. We think we can add meaningful value to Ferro. They were a public company, so we have the elimination of the public company cost and the integration into Ametek's global infrastructure. We have a little higher than typical synergies. We have mid-teens cost synergy. If you think about the... Farrow, it's the last couple of quarters it's been operating at about 15% EBITDA. And we think that'll be a 30% EBITDA in about three years. So a significant potential to expand operating margins through integration into the Ametek infrastructure and operating model. And we're really pleased that we were able to add the highly differentiated adjacent products and technologies to Ametek's ultra-precision technologies division. The products nicely complement ours um we have a leading market share now number one or number two in many key verticals measurement arms laser scanners laser trackers we have a now a new presence and fast-growing digital reality scanning market we have an emerging sas solution enabling the digital reality captures work workflow and they have a good recurring revenue profile for for service about the 60 of its hardware 25 of its service and 15% of his software. So, and the teams have come in and done a great job. We're working very well together. So we're excited about it. Uh, when I look at this business, um, it reminds me a lot of the, um, the Zygo acquisition, very similar in Zygo and Ferro and then name, but also, uh, it went into our UPT division, the same as Zygo. And if you look at Zygo, it was, it was a smaller public company. They were always trying to swing for the fences, hit grand slams because they wanted to get noticed. They took on some things that were outside of their core. We have a very similar situation with Ferro. If I look at what we did with Zygo, the sales averaged 9% CAGR over the first 10 years. EBITDA grew over five times. EBITDA margins increased two and a half times. We reduced working capital by 50% over the first five years. I think we have that kind of potential here. There's a lot of talent there. We need to give it some focus. The current management team did a good job. I'll call it cleaning up the business in the last 12 or 18 months, and we're extremely excited at what the future brings.

It's a pretty good algorithm, if you can pull that off. That's great. Yeah, absolutely. And then on Paragon, Dave, if you could. So it sounds, as you said, orders firming up. Is that translated to the top line at Paragon yet? How do you see Paragon specifically performing here as we work through the back of the year?

Yeah. I mean, Paragon had another excellent quarter, Jeff. Orders growth was, again, robust. Sales were strong, and we continued to drive performance. outstanding margin expansion. The orders were the largest increase in Amitek by far. We also have a situation where the Paragon EBITDA margins are now in line with Amitek's. So there are 30 plus percent EBITDA margins and we see meaningful margin runway ahead. So outstanding work by the entire Paragon team. The D-Stock is over, and we are very, very excited about what we're seeing. So very pleased with what's going on there. They're in a good position with their customers and consumable surgical instruments and plantable components and attractive market segments. And we're through the D-Stock. We took some time to do some hard work cleaning up the business. It has excellent engineering capability. They have new programs wins, and we're really, really pleased with where we're at now.

Great, thanks for that, Kola. I'll pass the baton to someone else. Good luck out there. Okay, thank you, too.

Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Cook with Truist. Your line is open.

Hi, good morning and nice quarter. I guess two questions. Yes, thank you. Two questions. First, Dave, as I look at your guide, I'm just trying to understand the puts and takes and I guess level of conservatism in the guide because you're saying, you know, Faro adds a couple pennies It sounds like tariffs should be more of a tailwind. So can you help us understand what you're assuming now relative to the 100 million in tariff costs that you talked about last quarter and then the 70 million from China? And is there any change, you know, sort of in the core business? I just want to understand the puts and takes of the guide today versus first quarter. And then my second question is, again, impressed with the EMG margins this quarter. Paragon, you're now saying the margins are in line with Amatek. Just the setup for EMG margins as we exit the year, I would assume that would be one of your highest margin improvement segments. The margins in that segment should improve the most. Just trying to understand if I'm thinking about that correctly. Thank you.

Yeah. I'll start with the margins and I do think you're thinking about it correctly. I mean, there's excellent performance in the quarter, up 210 basis points on a reported basis, 260 on a core margin basis. So EMG really had a good quarter in margins. And in the back half of the year, I think it's going to stay the same way. There's a good margin expansion there. And both our EIG and EMG businesses Okay, core margin expanded 90 basis points. The reported margins were up 20, but core was up 90. We had a fantastic quarter. We were excellent at driving the operations of the business. There was excellent productivity. There was positive price cost and really strongly performing acquisitions. When I look at the OpEx, I mean, our people are getting it done. We raised our OpEx, working through the P&L, to $155 million. that's about 25 million from where we started the year and up 5 million from last quarter. So the OpEx side of this thing is working extremely well and we're pleased with that. Um, going back to the guide, uh, we, we, um, you know, we, we, uh, beat our own eggs. We, we, uh, boosted our guy for the year and we have a, uh, a big boat on. And, um, you know, we, we, we talked about a couple of cents from, from Ferro, and that's all built into the model. I think there's a bit of conservatism in the Q3 guide as we get through all these changing dynamics. We feel very confident, but there's a bit of conservatism in the near-term guide. I think that in terms of China, you mentioned the 70 million that we had Tad Piper- flag is in the second quarter we got we got a good portion of that later in the quarter it opened up we didn't get it all we got a good portion of that and the 70 million that we identified as a tariff impact that we would offset. Tad Piper- You know we're not going to constantly change with that changing environment we're not kind of constantly update the exposure, but what i'm telling in real time but but. you know, we got, we got it and we don't, we don't have a problem this year. So the, the a hundred million that was a negative headwind is not a negative headwind. That's the best way I can explain it.

Thanks so much. Congrats on the next quarter. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Somerville with DA Davidson. Your line is open.

Excuse me. A couple of questions. You talked in detail about Paragon, which was very helpful. Can you go through the same kind of analysis on specifically the automation side of the business where how that business is performing from a profitability standpoint, what you're seeing from an inbound order point of view, where you are with the inventory sort of reductions you were seeing in the channel there? That's been one of the more challenged businesses for you guys. Then I'm a follow up.

yeah yeah the automation business it's in the same category as Paragon and the D stocks over and we're seeing strong growth in orders there's a you know Paragon and the automation business drove the profitability increase in EMG so there's a continued upside there but both Paragon and automation the to the med tech and parent which Paragon is in and automation is that dealt with the D-Stock is done. So we're feeling good about that. It's driving profit growth, and that's why the EMG margins are up 260 basis points on a core basis. Okay?

And if you think about those, if you think yeah yeah if you think about those businesses specifically what do you think the right go forward organic algorithm looks like for that portion of amatek and then davis you can just maybe comment a little more broadly what you're seeing from a go forward actionability standpoint m a wise post pharaoh what you're seeing in terms of deal size multiples etc that would be helpful thank you yeah okay

Yeah, I think the EMG business is the automation and engineered part of EMG is inflecting up. So I think it's going to lead us in our next phase of growth. And I think we're saying this year that we'll be up mid-single digits. So I think that's positive from last year. And obviously, if the order rates continue, there can be some upside there. Uh, in terms of, uh, uh, the acquisition pipeline, you know, this year we got, we got two deals done, deployed a billion dollars and acquired 400 million, 400 million in revenue. And we're, we're excited about these acquisitions. They're high quality businesses that expand our presence in a track of growth markets. We have a clear path to add value in both the businesses. I talked about, uh, the recent acquisition Fargo Pharaoh in detail. And to your question, our pipeline remains strong. We're very actively looking at a number of high-quality deals. As Dalit mentioned, we have $2 billion of existing cash and credit facilities. As always, we're going to remain disciplined, but we did some analysis, and if we lever it up to two and a half times, we've got about $4.5 to $5 billion to spend. And I think that we have the opportunity to differentiate our performance with the M&A element of our growth strategy, combined with our balance sheet and combined with our strong cash flow. So, you know, we excel at this, and especially when markets are choppy, and the combination of our operational excellence and M&A, you know, I think we're really focused on the pipeline, and the pipeline is strong. Great. Thank you. Yeah, thank you, Matt.

Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Snyder with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Thank you. I wanted to just kind of follow up on some of the commentary on back half growth. It seems like with FARO and some of the prior M&A done, that M&A could be about almost a mid-single-digit tailwind, and I would imagine there's some FX tailwinds on top of that, kind of pushing collectively maybe into that mid- to high-single-digit range in the back half. So I guess, is that right? And then what do you guys assume for organic growth into the back half of the year? Thank you.

Yeah. The one thing, Chris, I talk about FX a little bit. And we're going to see for the year a top line FX tailwind of about one percentage point. And we saw that same one percentage point in Q2. So on the top line, There's a little bit of a tailwind, but on the bottom line, we're largely actually hedged. I mean, when, when a currencies go either way, you never hear us talking about it and you never hear us, uh, uh, as a positive from it, or you never hear a negative from it. And we've, we've run our businesses differently than most. And we have a natural hedge at the bottom line, given the general balance of revenues and costs across key currencies. So generally, we don't see meaningful impact or profit results from FX movements. Now, the FX is a dollar as weakened, and we do export quite a bit of high technology products from the US. So I think the lower dollar, because we build our higher technology products, many of them in the US, is going to make us more competitive. So we understand our competitive positions. We're very well positioned to deal with currency fluctuations, and it's a positive situation. I think organic growth for the year is still plus LSD, so we're assuming positive LSD. We're assuming both groups are positive, and then we got the acquisitions that get us to MSD for the year. That's where we are versus our prior guide, and we think that it's reflective of the situation that we're operating in.

Thank you. I appreciate that. And then maybe just following up on FARO, I think the margin opportunity is pretty clear when we see the gross margin that they were running at. But I think if we look at the business, there really hasn't been much, if any, growth over the medium to long term. Could you just maybe talk about how Creaform has grown, you know, just to provide some color on the industry growth there? Thank you.

Yeah, Creaform has grown like a weed. When we acquired it, it was about a $40 million business, and it's grown at double digits since then. And the team has done an excellent job. So it's a much, much bigger business than when we acquired it. Uh, I, I, I, I made the analogy to our, uh, our Zygo acquisition, because I think it's really key. There's a lot of capability at Faro and a lot of talent, and they were just unfocused. They went down a path and spent a lot of money and, and, um, didn't get a return for it. And we're going to do the same thing we did with, was, was Zygo. We'll get the team together. We're going to focus on their core advantages. We're not going to swing for the fences. We're going to look for incremental wins. And that business is going to grow nicely for us. So we have a bottom line chance to double the EBITDA margins in three years. And at the same time, with the technology and capability in that business, we're going to grow the top line too. And we have a good analogy with the Zygo acquisition.

Thank you, Dave. Appreciate that.

Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Obin with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Good morning.

Good morning, Andrew.

Just two questions for me and I'll stick them into one. In terms of China, was there any pull forward of demand on metrology equipment given that there is still some uncertainty about punitive tariffs in the second half? And just overall on your organic growth as and I apologize, I might have missed some stuff, but as you went through the segments and where you were and where you're going, is it fair to say that, you know, generally you think short cycle industrial has bottomed and you've raised your organic growth expectations on the margins going forward? Just want to button up those two issues. Thank you.

Yeah. In terms of China, um, Yeah, the country was down low single digits for us for the quarter. So it was down a bit. I don't think there's really a pull ahead there. It's a situation where we're doing some projects and the projects require funding and the tariffs have just caused a lot of delays in getting the proper funding. So there's still strong demand for our projects and we got you know a good portion of the stuff out in the second quarter that we flagged last time so that was a positive and you know there's still you know there's still a bit of uncertainty in the market and but we're well positioned and our customers are working with us and and but i wouldn't i wouldn't characterize it as a as a pull ahead in metrology no i don't think we saw that um your other question was related to

Has the cycle bottomed, and are you guys feeling better about organic growth?

Yeah. I think, yeah. I don't characterize the medtech market and the automation market as short cycle. They're more mid-cycle. But we are seeing a specific B-stock end, and we're feeling really good about the orders there. So that's true. So, yes. I mean, I think that where we're at is our strength in our A&D business. Rod based improved outlook our power business is starting to accelerate with grid spending improved outlook. I think we talked about the automation and engineering solutions paragon strong growth highest in the company. Also our automation business now now inflecting upward and our process business and process and analytical it's definitely not incrementally weakening, but the markets are still sluggish and we have a pipeline of potential orders of solid. We're beginning to see quotations there related to reshoring, related to new opportunities, related to existing opportunities. But that's where the project business is dealing with a bit of that uncertainty. So we have to work our way through that. But in the other three market segments, it feels like we're in a positive situation.

I'll take it. Thank you so much.

Okay. Thank you, Andrew.

Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Brett Lindsey with Mizuho. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning, all.

Good morning, Brett.

Hey, I wanted to come back just to the slower decision-making. I guess, are customers giving you any sense on the timing of that quotation activity and, you know, what the budgeting timeline might look like there, and then anything, you know, on that front to glean through July in terms of those discussions?

Yeah, the timelines, yeah, it's difficult. I mean, there are definitely some delayed shipments. I think the certainty around the trade back and forth is important to get it resolved. So we're seeing the high number of trade deals get negotiated, get concluded. That takes the uncertainty off the table a little bit, and we can go for it. So I don't think it's the... the level of the tariffs, it's the uncertainty of the tariffs. And I think as we rapidly got some trade deals done, I think that uncertainty is reducing. But as those play through and we understand the impacts of them, I think the uncertainty is going to reduce. I mean, in the U.S., we have the overall positive outcomes, as Dalit mentioned, from the tax bill. So we have the It helped clarify those go-forward tax rules, but the immediate expensing of R&D, the capital equipment for capital equipment purchases, the spur customer capital investments, and at the same time, we have the tariffs where we have people looking to reach short to the U.S., and we're in a very good position to help them do that. So, I mean, that's a positive, and we have the – but the tariffs – have to get settled. And as we move through this, the more of those get settled, I think the cloud is going to be removed from some of those projects.

Thanks for that. And then just to follow up on the $70 million of the potential at-risk revenue that you had flagged on the last quarter call, I know that's direct U.S. to China instrumentation. Maybe just a finer point on how much of that did ship into Q? And are you assuming that the remaining gets delivered as part of the framework, or is there still some contingency there?

I think I'd say that a good majority of it shipped, and there's still some of it that's unresolved, and that'll get resolved in Q3 and Q4.

Okay, great. Best of luck.

Thank you.

Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Christopher Glenn with Oppenheimer and Company. Your line is open.

Thanks. Good morning. Hey, Chris. Hey, Dave. A question about the pipeline with a little bit more specificity on the aero defense market. It's been a while since you did ABACO four years ago. I'm curious about the pipeline there, maybe all the noise around the industry supply chain being pushed kinked up you know is revealing some properties there that might be opportunistic in that space how are you thinking about and also how you're thinking about a d more fundamentally in the context of all your businesses for long-term m a yeah i think the uh the a d market is certainly a market we would like to deploy more capital in so we're actively looking at the market we're actively looking at some deals and from my viewpoint it's been a

great profit generator from Ametek. We have unique differentiated positions. It's a really good management team. They continue to perform and I love to deploy capital in that area.

Okay, great. And then for EMG, your automation is starting to accelerate here and sounds like some incremental inflection. So with this cyclical momentum there in medical, would you expect more level loaded first half, second half? Sales versus, you know, usually it's slightly tilted towards the first half on a seasonal basis.

Yeah, I'd say with the increase in orders, we're going to have a solid second half. So that might be a little bit of a different tilt than a typical year. You saw the orders coming in in the first half of the year, and you might have the shipments coming out, you know, three to six months later. So it might be a little bit different.

Makes sense. Thank you.

Okay, thanks, Chris.

Our next question comes from the line of Steve Bodger with KeyBank Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Hi, good morning. This is Jacob Moore. I'm for Steve. Thanks for taking the questions. Good morning. But just a two-parter from us as well, kind of staying on orders and backlog. They look pretty solid this quarter. Can you just help us understand the breakdown of orders and backlog between the segments? Are there any end markets you would call out showing notable strength or weakness in orders? And then the quick second is related to the tariff situation. Beyond the China metrology, do you think there's any level of pull forward more broadly up to this point? Any perspective you have there would be helpful.

Yeah, in terms of the pull forward, we're typically – manufacturing customized systems that are higher dollar value so I'm sure there was a little bit of pull forward but it's not of a meaningful quantifiable number in our in our respect so we are probably less affected by pool for the most companies because of the nature of our product portfolio in terms of the orders Overall orders were up 6% in the quarter. The EMG business was up double digits. EIG was up single digits. In terms of book to bill was one. EMG was a little above one. And EIG was a little below one. And as I mentioned, the cadence of the orders, June was the strongest. quarter of the strongest month of the quarter and also the strongest month of the year.

Got it. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Nigel Coe with Wolf Research. Your line is open.

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. A lot of details already. Dave, thanks for the details by segment. So The EIG book to bill, I'm just curious, the aerospace and defense businesses within the EIG, would they be still above one within that overall?

Yeah, they'd be above one, but that's a backlog business, okay? So a lot of those orders are booked, you know, three, six, nine months, even a year in advance, but yes, they were above one.

Yeah, okay. And then you called out, you know, obviously the process and analyticals, SBU, still, you know, I think you said sluggish. There's been a lot of concern around academic and government funding. So just curious what you're seeing in your, you know, Gatan and some of the other businesses that might be affected by those pressures.

Yeah, that's a good question. If you just look at our verticals, the med tech was positive. A&D, as I talked about, was positive. Automation was positive and food was positive. And the two negatives would be the semiconductor market and the the research academia market, and it'll be in the USA and globally. So that would be how I would look at it from the verticals. And obviously our process business plays in a lot of those, but semi and research were headwinds in the quarter.

Maybe just could you just size that research exposure for Amatek and, you know, do these pressures are temporary or? Or do you think it could be with us for some time?

Yeah, research market is about 10% of Amatek. That's a good estimate for size. In the U.S., you had, there is a, they're redefining a little bit of the spend and the, without getting into a lot of detail, the spend associated with the projects have been reduced, but they still want to go forward with the projects. There are some delays and those delays are happening. Um, I think that those, uh, in the research market, um, there's some element parts of the world where the research market's very strong. Uh, you know, about 25 to 30% of our research markets in the U S the balance of us internationally. So we had a little, little issue in China there that we talked about and the smaller part of it's in the U S where there, there is some delay in research, academia funding. And we're seeing that as a bit of a headwind to our process business. I think that'll be around for definitely quarter three as we get into the fourth quarter. I'm not sure.

Makes sense. Thanks, Dave.

Our next question comes from the line of Scott Graham with Seaport Research Partners. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning. I have, um, I'm sorry. I joined the call late. Dave, did you provide, um, what the pricing was in the quarter? And then, um, I'll ask maybe what you're thinking is, you know, for the second half. And then with that, with tariffs coming down, how did you approach that with customers? Cause I'm sure prices announced, were a certain level and then tariffs came down and you might have had to adjust those. Could you just kind of walk us through all that?

Yeah, a lot of that's into the detailed discussions in our business units. I'll say that in the quarter, we had positive price-cost spread. We didn't guide to a price exactly, but we had a positive price-cost spread. I think we'll have that for the year. The price increases, I would define them as selective. We're trying to work with our customers. At the same time, I'm confident that the impacts of tariff and inflation will be offset by price, and it speaks to the results or related to the highly differentiated nature of the Emetech product portfolio and our leadership position in niche markets around the globe. So that's how I'd characterize it.

Okay, I appreciate that. Thank you. This is baby flipping to process which looked like it was, you know, softer than perhaps you were thinking internally. That sort of division, whatever we want to call that has a lot of different end markets. Could you kind of tell us what the puts and takes were there?

Yeah, that was a going through that a little bit before. So there would be positives on the med tech space, like our Rollin businesses there. They had a really good quarter, uh, positive in, in the food business. You know, we have a MoCon business. That's a, you know, we have about three or 4% of our businesses who that was very positive. Um, you know, the, the oil and gas market that was kind of, uh, uh, you know, just, uh, nothing really positive, nothing really negative. And in the semiconductor and the research markets, those were headwinds. That's how I'd characterize it.

I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Scott.

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