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spk18: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to Anthem's third quarter earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session where participants are encouraged to present a single question. If you wish to ask a question, please press star then one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a prompt that you have been cued. You may withdraw your question at any time by pressing star then two. These instructions will be repeated prior to the question and answer portion of this call. As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to the company's management. Please go ahead.
spk11: Good morning, and welcome to Anthem's third quarter 2021 earnings call. This is Steve DeMau, Vice President of Investor Relations, and with us this morning on the earnings call are Gail Boudreau, President and CEO, John Galena, our CFO, Peter Haitayan, President of our Diversified Business Group and IngenioRx, Morgan Kendrick, President of our Commercial and Specialty Business Division, and Felicia Norwood. President of our Government Business Division. Gail will begin the call with a brief discussion of the quarter, recent progress against our strategic initiatives, and close on Anthem's commitment to its mission. John will then discuss our financial results and outlook in greater detail. After our prepared remarks, the team will be available for Q&A. During the call, we will reference certain non-GAAP measures. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available on our website, antheminc.com. We will also be making some forward-looking statements on this call. Listeners are cautioned that these statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, many of which are difficult to predict and generally beyond the control of Anthem. These risks and uncertainties can cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. We advise listeners to carefully review the risk factors discussed in today's press release and in our quarterly filings with the SEC. I will now turn the call over to Gail.
spk24: Thanks, Steve, and good morning, everyone. We're pleased to talk with you about another strong quarter. This morning, we reported third quarter GAAP earnings per share of $6.13 and adjusted earnings per share of $6.79, ahead of expectations despite another surge in COVID that created challenges throughout the country. Once again, Anthem continues to deliver on stakeholder commitment. accelerate growth in every core benefits business, and make considerable progress towards our long-term strategy to transform from a health benefits company to a lifetime trusted partner in health. Addressing the whole person is essential to becoming a trusted lifetime partner in health. Responding to the pandemic has allowed us to instill new agility and innovation into the business. particularly around solutions for physical health, pharmacy, behavioral and social needs, with an emphasis on maternal health, access to nutritious foods, and health disparities. Ultimately, we believe we're only as healthy as the communities we live in and recognize our important role in ensuring everyone has an opportunity to be and stay healthy. As the healthcare paradigm shifts, we're accelerating work to simplify members' and clients' everyday experiences and meet their evolving needs through a personalized experience. Moreover, there's abundant opportunity to modernize further and reinforce our position, leveraging our technology, predictive analytics, and innovative products and services to bring an enhanced experience only Anthem can offer. We expect whole person healthcare, powered by digital technologies, to help us achieve our goal of driving commercial medical cost trend down toward the rate of CPI by 2025. Currently, we're exploring more ways to drive differentiated value across medical and pharmacy. Our insight-driven approach is fueling new programs that drive better cost and quality outcomes for our members, including in the areas of behavioral health and autoimmune disease. Additionally, we recently launched a new offering to test the full suite of our capabilities in the form of a virtual primary care first product, which we expect to demonstrate meaningful reductions in overall cost of care and greater member satisfaction. We are already selling virtual-first risk-based commercial plans in certain markets across each of Anthem's 14 blue states for the 2022 plan year, featuring simplified plan designs, 24-by-7 service, and leveraging our high-performing networks that enable affordable price points. We've also seen strong interest in these capabilities from our fee-based clients, and will be embedding virtual primary care with several large fee-based clients throughout 2022. At the same time, innovative product offerings like Sydney Preferred, which allows employers to customize a digital-first healthcare experience for their employees, are gaining considerable momentum. To date, more than 50 national accounts have signed up for Sydney Preferred, representing nearly 900,000 commercial members. To help accelerate our digital platform, we've elevated Rajiv Rananki to President of Digital Platform. Rajiv will drive the commercialization of our digital capabilities for consumers and care providers as we reimagine the health ecosystem. Now I'll share notable third-quarter highlights and business-driving initiatives for the balance of fiscal 2021, starting with our Medicaid business, which is performing well. Our Healthy Blue Plan, in partnership with Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina, has quickly become the largest Medicaid managed care plan by membership in North Carolina and the leading choice for consumers. Its success, coupled with the ongoing suspension of eligibility redeterminations drove Anthem's total Medicaid membership above 10 million at quarter end, exceeding our internal expectations. Our commitment to members and their communities has never been stronger, and we continue to develop innovative solutions to meet their unique holistic health needs. As a result, our focus on reducing health disparities and inequities remains vital to the value Anthem offers state partners. This is reflected in our momentum, along with our 100% RFP win rate year to date. Looking further ahead, Anthem will launch another new statewide Medicaid managed care contract in Ohio in the summer of 2022. After earning the City of New York's Group Medicare Advantage contract last quarter, We added several new group MA customers in the third quarter for January 1st, 2020 to start days and have a growing pipeline of new prospects. As part of our strategy to deepen our Medicare Advantage market penetration, we remain focused on converting commercial age-outs to MA relationships and preparing for a flawless January launch of our group Medicare Advantage plan for New York City's retirees Customized solutions at scale underpin our approach to individual Medicare Advantage benefits for 2022. Many of our MA plans will allow customers to choose what's best for them from a menu of innovative whole health benefits. For example, in some areas, the program will include a Kroger grocery cart, generous over-the-counter benefits, and up to 60 hours of in-home support to assist with light housekeeping, errands, and companionship. We expect these and other benefit enhancements to help drive another year of double-digit growth in our individual Medicare Advantage membership next year. Medicare Star Ratings continue to be a focused area across Anthem, and the ratings released two weeks ago show we've made solid progress. We're particularly proud HealthSUN received a five-star rating for the fifth consecutive year, the only Medicare Advantage health plan in Florida to accomplish such an achievement. For the 2023 payment year, we anticipate approximately 73% of members in plans that CMS rated as four-plus stars, up from 58% on a comparable basis a year ago. That figure will move even higher with the City of New York's Group Medicare Advantage contract launch next year. At the same time, investments in provider partnerships are accelerating Anthem's evolution toward high-quality, value-based care. This is necessary to drive improved outcomes and cost of care across all of our benefits businesses and is critical in Medicare Advantage where it impacts reimbursement through star ratings. This year, more than 60% of our Medicare Advantage spending will be in risk-sharing arrangements. Based on our current contract, we expect that to increase to more than 70% in 2022, with approximately 30% of Medicare Advantage spending in fully capitated risk arrangements. Investments in our primary care partnerships In particular, we'll support members and drive growth through the expansion of value-based care, leading to an even larger proportion of our members in 4-plus-star contracts over time. We recognize there's still more work to do and we'll continue our efforts to raise customer satisfaction by aligning incentives with care providers to improve quality and medication adherence. while simultaneously enhancing our member experience, accelerating our use of data and analytics, and leveraging IngenioRx as our pharmacy benefit manager. Lastly, a few highlights of the strong growth we see in our commercial business. We're nearing the end of the most robust national account selling season in Anthem's history. Volume of RFPs was down, but average size was up considerably. and we won a disproportionate share of new business and expanded services with our existing clients. IngenioRx is also showing exciting growth with a more than five-fold increase in new sales at this point in the selling season compared to the relatively depressed base a year ago when that pandemic weighed heavily on employer decision-making. The consistent theme across all of our businesses is that each continues to produce strong organic growth. This drove medical enrollment to more than 45 million U.S. consumers, strengthening Anthem's position as the largest health insurer in America by membership. I'm pleased with the progress we're making towards delivering our strategy and want to share two recent leadership changes to accelerate our efforts. Pete Hightine will lead our diversified business group and IngenioRx, both of which are critical components of our growth strategy. Pete has an impressive track record of growth and innovation in his previous roles leading Anthem's commercial and government businesses. With Pete's transition, we're confident our commercial and specialty business division will maintain its strong momentum under the leadership of Morgan Kendrick, who's driven market-leading growth across critical lines of our commercial business, including national accounts and most recently as president of Anthem's commercial West Market, our largest region. The breadth and depth of our collective leadership ensures we stand ready to deliver on our promises to stakeholders across all areas of our business and will guide Anthem to long-term sustainable growth. It's a privilege to work alongside such a strong group of leaders committed to advancing our purpose and mission. In summary, our actions and the focus and discipline we've brought to the business have positioned Anthem for the next several years of growth. Our strategy to extend our role from a partner in health benefits to a lifetime trusted partner in health is resonating in the marketplace as evidenced by our growth. Our response to COVID brings a new level of agility and speed to the business, along with more opportunities to reach consumers and care providers than ever before. And we continue to simplify and personalize our member relationships with relevant benefits and enhance innovative experiences where and when they want. With that, I'll turn the call over to John to discuss our financial results in more detail.
spk19: Thank you, Gail, and good morning to everyone on the line. As Gail mentioned earlier, we reported third quarter adjusted earnings per share of $6.79, an increase of approximately 62% year over year, driven by strong growth across all of our businesses. This growth was a result of focused execution against our strategic priorities, despite a challenging backdrop created by another surge in COVID. Our third quarter results, once again, demonstrate the balance and resilience of our core benefit businesses and the strong growth momentum we are producing across the board. We ended the quarter with 45.1 million members, growth of 2.4 million lives year over year, or 5.7%, including growth of 730,000 during the quarter, led by the successful launch of our Healthy Blue Medicaid plan in North Carolina. In addition to the 426,000 members gained in that state, We produced incremental organic growth of nearly 380,000 members during the quarter, driven by strong growth in our Medicaid and commercial risk-based businesses. This growth was partially offset by continued in-group attrition in our group fee-based business, consistent with our expectations. Operating revenue in the third quarter was $35. an increase of 16% versus prior year quarter, and nearly 18% on a HIF adjusted basis. The increase was driven by higher premium revenue associated with strong membership growth in our Medicaid, Medicare, and commercial risk businesses, as well as rate increases to cover cost trends. And ongoing momentum in our diversified service businesses including IngenioRx. The benefit expense ratio for the third quarter was 87.7%, an increase of 90 basis points compared to the prior year quarter, driven by the repeal of the health insurance tax in 2021. Excluding the impact of the HIF, our medical loss ratio would have decreased by approximately 50 basis points driven by unfavorable rate adjustments in our Medicaid business in the third quarter of 2020. All in, the cost of care was above what we would consider to be normalized or baseline levels in the third quarter of this year, driven by higher COVID costs in the month of August and September. But medical costs were nonetheless better than we had expected for the quarter overall. with lower non-COVID utilization helping absorb the higher than expected COVID related costs. Our third quarter SG&A ratio is 11.1%, a decrease of 620 basis points from the 17.3% in the prior year quarter, primarily due to the charges we took last year related to business optimization and the Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association litigation settlement. Excluding charges from the base year and the impact of the repeal of the health insurance tax, our SG&A ratio would have decreased by approximately 130 basis points, driven by leverage associated with growth and operating revenue, partially offset by higher spending to support our growth and our transition to becoming a digital enterprise for health. Operating cash flow during the quarter was $2.5 billion, or 1.7 times net income. Turning to our balance sheet, we ended the third quarter with a debt-to-capital ratio of 38.9%, down approximately 100 basis points from the 39.9%, as of the end of the second quarter. The decrease was driven by growth in shareholders' equity associated with our earnings in the quarter and a reduction in commercial paper outstanding. We continue to maintain a prudent posture with respect to reserves given the ongoing uncertainty associated with the COVID-19 pandemic and lengthening in cycle times that we have seen since the pandemic began. We ended the third quarter with 46.8 days in claims payable, a decrease of 1.3 days compared to the second quarter and an increase of 5.7 days as compared to the prior year quarter. The timing of our acquisition of MMM inflated days in claims payable in the second quarter and drove the sequential change. excluding timing-related impacts associated with the acquisition, our days in claims payable would have increased by 0.2 days sequentially. Given strong performance year-to-date, we are raising our guidance for full-year adjusted earnings per share to greater than $25.85 from greater than $25.50, putting us at the high end of our long-term annual adjusted earnings per share growth target of 12 to 15%. Please note that this guidance continues to reflect the total COVID and non-COVID costs combined, exceeding baseline in every month of the fourth quarter, and assumes a similar overall net headwind from COVID for the year relative to our prior guidance. Given significant outperformance in the third quarter on our investment income line, we have increased our full year outlook for investment income by $100 million to approximately $1.2 billion, which is $260 million above our initial outlook of $940 million. Much of the outperformance in this area stems from stellar results in our alternative investment portfolio year to date that we would not expect to recur. Accordingly, we believe that there is at least $200 million of non-recurring upside in the investment income line that should be removed when assessing the appropriate base for earnings growth for 2022, equating to approximately 65 cents of earnings per share in 2021, and implying a baseline for growth entering 2022 of $25.20. Most importantly, our businesses are performing well with strong growth momentum that we expect will carry into 2022. Although we will not provide specific guidance for next year on this call, I would now like to shift focus to the tailwinds and headwinds that we are considering into next year, starting with the tailwinds. Recall that our 2021 guidance continues to embed a significant net headwind related to the effects of COVID. While it is too early to declare how much of the overall net headwind we will be able to earn back in 2022, we do believe that we will recover a portion of it resulting in a year-over-year tailwind. Based on our strong competitive positioning, We expect another year of double-digit membership growth in our individual Medicare Advantage membership. We also expect strong growth in our commercial membership, aided by what is shaping up to be the strongest national account selling season in the history of the company. We expect accretion from the annualization of earnings of our acquisitions of MMM and MyNexus. we expect an EPS lift from our share repurchase program, which was opportunistic during recent periods of volatility in our stock price. Our tailwinds will be weighed against known headwinds, and these include the dilution associated with the first year of operations of our new group Medicare Advantage contract serving New York City's retirees, which we continue to expect will launch on January 1st, as well as dilution related to the startup and launch of our new Medicaid contract in Ohio, which we expect to begin on July 1st, 2022. In addition, the resumption of Medicaid eligibility redeterminations, assuming a return to a more normal operating environment. And finally, the non-recurrence of the upside in the investment income line this year that I had described earlier. Based on what we know today, we believe our tailwinds will largely offset our headwinds, enabling us to reaffirm our commitment to growth and adjusted earnings per share of at least 12% in 2022 after adjusting for the portion of investment income that we have identified as non-recurring. We look forward to providing more specific guidance on our fourth quarter earnings call when we will discuss our 2022 outlook in more detail. In closing, we continue to execute against our strategic growth priorities and are pleased to have delivered another quarter of strong growth and continued reinvestment in our business. all while maintaining a solid balance sheet given the ongoing uncertainties associated with the pandemic. And with that, operator, please open the line to questions.
spk17: Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question, please press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. You will hear a prompt that you have been queued. You may withdraw your question at any time by pressing star then 2. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up the handset before pressing the numbers. Once again, we ask that each participant limit themselves to a single question to allow ample time to respond to each participant that may wish to participate in this portion of the call. For our first question, we will go to the line of A.J. Rice with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
spk12: Thanks. Hi, everybody. I appreciate the headwinds and tailwinds for next year that you're offering. I guess when you look at those items that you've delineated, A lot of them look like they're pretty well set at this point. What would be the ones where there's the greatest potential variability? I'm assuming the COVID-related issue, how much of that you get back next year is probably one, but can you comment on that, where there's the greatest variability among those items?
spk19: Good morning, A.J., and thank you for the question. Associated with the headwinds and tailwinds, of course, we do want to look at them in their entirety today. But as you think about the potential variability, COVID has the absolute most uncertainty of any line item on there. I mean, it's been an incredible situation that we've been through as a country since March of 2020, and COVID continues to have uncertainty associated with it. You know, the New York group retiree business are still going through their enrollment process, so we don't have the absolute exact number of lives lined up at this point in time, and so there's some variability there. But you're correct, we do have some pretty good line of sight on most of the rest of them, but COVID is clearly the lion's share of the uncertainty at this point.
spk24: Yeah, and AJ, I'd add to John's response that one of the things that we do feel very good about is the underlying strength of the core of all of our benefits businesses. Our growth's been strong, and I think we've been performing very well in line with the expectations we set. So next question, please. Thanks for the question.
spk17: Next, we'll go to the line of Justin Lake from Wolf Research. Please go ahead.
spk19: Thanks.
spk22: Good morning. Just wanted to clarify something, then a question. The clarification is just wanted to make sure, John, you were talking about 12% growth, and you talked about that off a $25.20 jump-off point. So that's number one. And then just the question is on cost trend. Looks like the government margins were materially stronger than commercial in the quarter. So, you know, you gave some overall cost trend commentary, but was hoping you'd give us some trend breakdown between commercial Medicaid and Medicare, how that performed in the quarter versus that, you know, slightly above normal overall, you know, discussion you had. Thanks.
spk19: Yes, thanks, Justin. I appreciate the questions. You know, in terms of the jump-off point for 2022, you are correct. We've quantified our investment income outperformance for the year. We believe that there's at least $200 million that's unlikely to recur. And so that $200 million equates to approximately 65 cents of earnings per share. And you take that off of our updated guidance, and we believe the appropriate jump-off point for 2022 growth is $25.20. So appreciate the opportunity to clarify that. Associated with the various lines of business, the commercial profitability is still very, very good. However, commercial had the surge of COVID in August and September was really more significantly pronounced within the commercial line of business than it was in the other two lines of business. We took the opportunity to reserve prudently within the commercial line for that spike and to build commercial reserves as a result of what we were seeing at that point in time. Fortunately, non-COVID came in much lower in September, crossed all lines of business, which allowed our quarter to come out in a really, really good place. Medicare was very much consistent with expectations. Medicaid was actually a little bit better than expectations. for the quarter. And just as a reminder, you know, we had guided to be above baseline costs for COVID and non-COVID combined for each of the three months in the third quarter, and we were. We just ended up being better than our expectations. But the commercial issue really had to do with the spike in August associated with COVID. Thank you for the question. Next question, please.
spk17: Next, we'll go to the line of Lance Wilkes from Bernstein. Please go ahead.
spk26: Yeah, thanks a lot. Could you talk a little bit about the strategy and vision for diversified and ingenio with Pete moving into that role and maybe as part of that talking a little bit about the pipeline of opportunities and the diversified and ingenio book as well as selling government services to other blues? Thanks.
spk24: Thanks for the multitude of questions I'll ask Pete in his new role to respond, Lance.
spk09: Thanks, Lance. No, I really appreciate it. I think I'll touch on the growth associated with Ingenio first and then reference the Pertussified Business Group. And I do want to thank Gail and the team for putting me in this position. I do think I'm in a unique position having my own government and commercial to have a perspective on this. And I think working collectively as an enterprise, we can do very well in penetrating the Anthem portfolio to a much greater degree. But as it relates to your question on Ingenio and growth in Ingenio, We work very closely with the commercial business, and as we talked about before, the greatest opportunity for us is penetrating the self-funded business. I'd say that activity for us has really picked up this year relative to last year. We're seeing really nice success plans down market on the smaller side of the business and the middle market. So we're definitely seeing more activity there, and we're also seeing a lot more wins from that perspective. And as we've talked about, that's really a sweet spot from a financial and profitability perspective for us. It's a really good position for us to be in. On the larger end of the market with some of the jumbo accounts, we are also seeing activity pick up as it relates to pharmacy. But it is a competitive space and we see the power of incumbency being a little more significant and a factor there. So heading into 2022 as it relates to Ingenio, we feel really good about our growth trajectory. and our performance and net membership growth will be improved, you know, relative to what we've seen in 2021. As it relates to the diversified business group and our strategies, and then I'll also talk strategically about Ingenio a bit, I'm really excited about where we are. I mean, if you think about where the puck is going in healthcare, you think about the significance of specialty pharmacy. You heard Gail talk earlier about virtual and the opportunities for virtual even in pharmacy. there's tremendous opportunity for that business to continue to grow. We're at the beginning of the evolution of, I think, that pharmacy business, and there's a great opportunity there for us and to penetrate the Anthem business. And then as it relates to the DBG portfolio, if you think about the verticals that we talked about at Investor Day and the opportunity there, a tremendous opportunity. So you think about behavioral health and the opportunities there with Deakin as a leading asset in the space, and we think there's tremendous opportunity to grow that business and diversify that business. When you think about site of care and redirection, it becomes hugely important as it relates to the commercial business and cost of care. And you think about assets like AIM and MyNexus, a recent transaction where we're seeing tremendous success. And then you think about managing the chronically ill and the great assets we have there around CareMore and Aspire. I would say this, Lance, that my – and I've only been on the job for about a week and a half, so I don't want to be too presumptuous here – But the opportunity to penetrate Anthem is very significant across our entire portfolio, Medicare, Medicaid, and commercial. But I also think there's tremendous external opportunity. So I look forward to leading this and working with my colleagues, Felicia and Morgan, on growing the business together.
spk24: Thank you, Pete. And thanks for the question, Lance. I think, you know, to sum up what Pete has shared, this really is part of our ongoing journey in evolution at Anthem. that we shared with you at our investor day. And it really is part of our transformation from a health benefits company to truly a trusted lifetime partner in health. And we see significant opportunities. And I think this shows sort of the maturing of the strategy we shared. So thanks for the question. And next question, please.
spk17: Next, we'll go to the line of Matthew Borsch from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
spk25: Thank you. I'm hoping you could comment on the aftermath of the pandemic. the Blues settlement, particularly as it relates to how you see competition among the Blues and your role in that changing, maybe intensifying as we go into next year and after.
spk24: Matt, thanks for the question. We are still in the midst of that litigation and the settlement is ongoing, so I won't comment. I think it's inappropriate to comment at this time. But, you know, given the tone of your question, I think it's really important. We've had a long history, quite frankly, of partnering with Blues, in addition to working with them on accounts that are in our service area as part of the seeding process. And so we expect that to continue, expect, obviously, to offer the capabilities that we have. Pete just shared with you what we're doing with IngenioRx. We also think our diversified business capabilities are going to be incredibly important, and some of our digital platform capabilities that we've also offered to other Blues. So I can't really comment on where we are in terms of that litigation because it's not finally settled yet, but we feel that there's a significant amount of opportunities for us, even outside of this settlement, to work with Blue partners across the country.
spk17: Thanks for the question, and next question, please. Next, we'll go to the line of Ralph Jacoby from Citi. Please go ahead.
spk04: Great, thanks. Good morning. I guess just wanted to go to membership. ASO dipped and you cited some of the economic backdrop, but commercial risk was up nicely sequentially. So is there some shift between the two or maybe just any thoughts around those dynamics? And then I wanted to ask specifically around individual enrollment as well, pretty nicely sequentially. And John, to your comments around higher COVID costs, was there any disproportionate pressure on the exchanges specifically that sort of weighed on margins in the segment, and then just hoping you could talk about your positioning on the exchanges for 2022 and expectations for growth there. Thanks.
spk24: Ralph, thanks for the question. I'm going to ask Morgan Kendrick, who's leading our commercial businesses also, though been intimately involved in these, to respond to your questions. Please, Morgan.
spk08: Thanks, Gail. And Ralph, thanks for the question. There was a lot there. And when you talk about your comments about the reductions in the large group business, you know, that's certainly in line with our expectations. We were expecting reduction in our fee-based business. We've had, as you indicated, noted, nice growth on the risk-based business across the segment. Individual, as you've noted, has benefited from a long, extending special enrollment period. So we've seen month-over-month growth there. Also, when you look at our large group, small group business, we've seen month-over-month growth in sales, exceeding lapses. And notably, our large group business has performed quite well. In fact, 23 of the last 25 quarters, our sales have exceeded lapses. Looking forward into the new year, clearly it's a competitive geography and a competitive market when you look at individual and ACA. It's one of those that I would characterize it as rational, nonetheless. And one that we've, you know, not inconsistent with our strategies in the past. We take a very disciplined approach. We look at this market by market, county by county. And in fact, as we expand next year for 2022, we're going to be an 83% of the counties that we can serve. That's up from 71% from the prior year. And this is most notably done by leveraging our unique provider partnerships, leveraging the scale and density we have in our geography to provide value for the market. Again, the strategy is not a short-sighted one, and we're confident the pricing is appropriate on our modeling of our forward trend. So thank you again for the question.
spk24: Yeah, and one last thing, Ralph. You asked a question about anything distinctive about the individual relative to COVID, and I would say no. I mean, our individual business has performed in line. So across the board, you know, we saw, as John shared, higher COVID spikes in commercial, but individual is not unique or distinctive. We feel that we're appropriately positioned in that market. Next question, please.
spk17: Next, we'll go to the line of Lisa Gill from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
spk20: Thanks very much, and good morning. I just wanted to go back, Gail, to your thoughts on the virtual primary care offering. So one, can you talk about how that product will be priced, and then secondly, Is it going to be in all 14 of your markets, or will this be more of a limited type of offering initially? And then lastly, as I think about virtual primary care, how do we think about the cost trends there and the potential savings when we think about those types of products?
spk24: Thanks for the question, Lisa. I think it's actually a really important one as we think about the next generation of where products are going to go. One of the things that's happened is the pandemic has really highlighted the need for these virtual care services. We shared with you quite some time ago our JV with Hydrogen Health, and we've been in the market actually working closely with our partners to deliver those services, particularly best-in-class urgent care, primary care, using chat and text. And what we're talking about now is I'll call it the next generation of virtual primary care. We've gotten some experience in our early entrée with virtual care over the last year And now we're continuing to evolve that. So we did launch, as I shared in my remarks, this virtual first services. I think what's interesting and unique about this is they're integrated with our high-performance network, and that's really important. And we're seeing a lot of traction in our high-performance network. And I know we've shared previously, you know, our high-performance network has, you know, anywhere from 12% to 15% cost structure differential. And as you think about virtual primary care added to that, We expect those to sort of be the starting point of what we can gain traction on. So I'm really encouraged by this initial launch. We're going to continue to, I think, innovate and evolve from that. In terms of where we're doing it, We are working in our blue states. We're in most of our markets right now. We have offerings not in every county, but we're going to continue to expand that as we certainly learn about it, look at the alignment. A lot of this does, as I said, rely on our high-performing networks and our ability to use both virtual care as well as our high-performing networks. And just to give you a sense of what it is, I mean, we're looking at the offerings that cover virtual visits with a zero copay, simplified plan designs, 24 by 7 service to leverage the network. Value-based contracts are at the core of this to drive that cost structure differential. And again, we would expect at least 15% below traditional products. But again, that's a starting point. We're going to gain experience with this. And there's been a lot of interest. We've seen a significant amount of interest. We've offered it first in our fully insured risk-based business, and now our national fee accounts are interested in embedding this in their offerings. And as you heard, I think from um, my opening comments. And then what Morgan said, we've had one of our strongest ever, uh, national account selling seasons. And again, I, I do credit the innovation we're bringing around digital to the success we're having there. And just a fundamentally strong differentiated cost structure, really driven by high performance networks. So thanks for the question. We are, we're excited and optimistic about, you know, how we think that this can drive future trend and future opportunities for our clients. So again, more to come on this, but, uh, you'll be hearing a lot more about it in the coming months as we gain more traction with our employers. So thanks for the question. Next question, please.
spk17: Next, we'll go to the line of Gary Taylor from Cowan. Please go ahead.
spk03: Hi, good morning. Can you hear me?
spk24: We can. Thank you.
spk03: Oh, okay. Sorry. As I was thinking about 2022, I wanted to ask about something I thought would be a tailwind and something I thought would be a headwind, but you didn't mention, so just some color would be helpful. I was thinking that the special enrollment period on exchanges, if that were to eventually go away, would potentially be a tailwind for that business, but you said you're performing in line there, so maybe you don't see that as a material tailwind. And then on the Medicaid side of the house, you did mention redeterminations as a headwind, but we certainly note for you and across the board that seems to be a population that's not just vaccine-hesitant but utilization-hesitant, and the MLRs look really strong there. So I was thinking there could be headwind not just on redetermination but on margin as well. So just wanted some color on those two things.
spk19: Yeah, sure, Gary. Thank you for the question. So see if I can address these appropriately. You know, with the special enrollment period and the exchanges, We have talked about the fact that exchanges are a nice strategy of ours. We're being very prudent in terms of our approach. We're going from having, I think, just a little bit over 70% of our counties covered to just over 80% of our counties covered next year. And we do expect some nice membership growth associated with the individual. But I would say that is all captured in just our core underlying strategy. and the fundamentals of the business performing extremely well. We expect all of our businesses to grow, and individual is no different. In terms of the Medicaid and the redeterminations, the headwind that we referenced really has to do with Medicaid membership, but this is my opportunity to, again, talk about the balance and resilience of our membership and our catcher's mitt. And we may be able to turn that tab win into a tail win depending on where those folks go. We do believe that once redeterminations start that we will be able to maintain a significant amount of that membership within an Anthem product. You know, we offer a product for every American in every situation, young, old, rich, poor, sick, healthy. We have a product for all of them. And right now there's a significant number of members within our Medicaid plans, and after redetermination occurs, Medicaid may shrink a little bit, but that means that there's really some significant growth opportunities in other lines of business. So, you know, I didn't spike it out specifically because we think it's a driver and we could actually turn a headwind into a tailwind. So thank you for the question. Next question, please.
spk17: Next we'll go to the line of Stephen Baxter from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
spk14: Yeah, hi, thanks. You touched on this a little bit, but I was hoping you could expand on the national account outlook for next year. I would love to hear more about what you think is driving that growth and what you're seeing in terms of competitive dynamics in that market. And then just to clarify, was that commentary influenced at all by what insight you're getting from your clients on in-group expectations, or was that purely a comment about the new account that you're winning? Thanks.
spk24: I'll ask Morgan to address that.
spk08: Yes, Steve, thank you for the question. And, you know, as Gail noted, I mean, the national business continues to perform exceptionally well. And, you know, also noted there, you know, was a bit of a dampening in the RFP activity. It was down. But when you think about it, it was down in numbers of RFPs. It was up in membership. And Anthem had an exceptionally successful year up market. did quite well. I think, you know, one of the other things that was notably observed is we had a record number of customers that went out for a, that went from a multi-partner healthcare solution to a single partner healthcare solution and selected Anthem. And to get directly to your question, you know, to me, we have to earn the right to win every day. And I think when you look at our assets and how they're resonating in the market, you look at the advocacy-based, whole health, digital solutions are winning. When you think about Sydney, Gail mentioned earlier that we have 50 customers that are with Sydney Preferred, which is theoretically our digital front door, or we could call it our gateway to health. It's the entry point for all the other assets that we deliver. Also, when we think about 23, I mean, these assets continue to be innovated upon. And, you know, like I said, it's incumbent upon us to, you know, earn this right to win. We don't take it lightly. But the market is loudly voting with their feet. And so we're excited about where we're headed in 23.
spk17: Thank you. Next question, please. Next, we'll go to the line of Rob Cottrell from Cleveland Research. Please go ahead.
spk15: Hi, good morning. I wanted to ask about, Gail, you mentioned behavioral briefly. Curious if you can provide a little bit more comment on the Deakin cross-telling efforts and how that's going across both government and commercial businesses.
spk24: Great, thank you. I'll offer a quick comment, and then I'll ask Pete to comment on that because it sits within our diversified business group. But overall, we know that there's been a significant need for behavioral health, and what I want to just touch on briefly is the tie that Morgan said to whole health. And we, you know, Beacon has always been a very strong player in the Medicaid space, and we're continuing to integrate it into our overall government business. But it's got a big upside in the commercial space. So maybe, Pete, some early commentary from what you're seeing.
spk09: No, I appreciate it, Ralph. Just to remind everybody, Beacon serves about 44 million members, 13 million of which is Anthem. The services are very broad. As I said, you know, Beacon's an industry-leading asset. It's been a leader in the behavioral health space for a long time. So as it relates to some of the services, from mild-moderate to acute mental health, treatment for family support, crisis prevention, opioid abuse, SMI, EAP programs, it's a broad portfolio, which really will serve, I think, Anthem really well. The other thing I'll say, and this was, you know, very important to us and really worked out from a strategic perspective. But the pandemic obviously really accentuated a need for behavioral health. But we experienced three times more people reporting symptoms of anxiety and depression in this period, two and a half times more people reporting suicidal ideation. And, you know, with opioid abuse, there was a very significant increase. And so that plays really well across our portfolio. We obviously have a broad portfolio across Medicare, Medicaid, and commercial. The integration process is going really well between the parties. We actually, as it relates to penetrating the Anthem business, have embraced a lot of the clinical programs and expertise of Beacon as we integrate. We also, in my old life on the commercial side, worked on new product offerings. a product called Behavioral Health Advantage, which is being deployed in 2022. And then, obviously, as it relates to our government program business, working very closely with Felicia and the government team and the Medicare team on a post-acute care product. And this is just the beginning. I think there will continue to be tremendous opportunities around behavioral. One of the areas that I'm very focused on is also virtual and the importance of virtual. We've seen an exponential increase in virtual services as it relates to the beacon and penetrating our portfolio in that regard will become very important going forward. I appreciate the question.
spk24: Yes, thanks, Pete. And the only thing I guess I would add is if you think about the commercial market, the next generation of EAP services is an area that we're highly focused on. And you've heard us share our strategy about sub-segment markets within the commercial business. So we see it clearly in the employer space expansion, student space and military services space We see the demand and need for behavioral health services dramatically increasing as a result of the pandemic. Next question, please.
spk17: Next, we'll go to the line of Ricky Goldwasser from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
spk21: Yeah, hi. Good morning. Question on utilization. John, you talked about the fact that September you saw a dip in non-COVID utilization. How is it trending in October? If I recall, last quarter you said that the MLR guidance at the low end of the range assumes that it's going to end the year above baseline. How are we trending there? And then in line with that, if we think about sort of 2022, your commercial pricing, what did you embed in your assumptions regarding return of core utilization?
spk19: Thank you for the question, Ricky. And maybe I'll talk a little bit about the fourth quarter and then turn it over to Morgan to talk a little bit more about 2022. But in terms of the fourth quarter, you know, our expectations and our guidance is that The COVID and non-COVID combined will continue to be above baseline each month in the fourth quarter, so obviously the entirety of the fourth quarter being above baseline. We are seeing very good trends. As I stated, we had the spike in August. It started to decline coming into September. Non-COVID utilization was lower in September than we had expected. October is relatively close to expectations at this point, but there's a lot of uncertainties in the fourth quarter. The Delta variant is still out there, and we want to be very respectful for it, as well as any other new variants that may or may not exist. And we are expecting an increase in testing, an increase in some of the vaccinations and booster shots, especially with the kids. It's unclear right now exactly when the five-year-olds will be eligible for vaccination but we want to make sure that you know we're cautious in terms of our guidance associated with that cost structure as well and and as you probably i'm sure you already know the fourth quarter just on a normal basis has a higher seasonality in terms of mlr and so that's obviously factored in as well but yeah i'd say at the end of the end of the day we've been very cautious and very prudent in our fourth quarter expectations with a combination of COVID and non-COVID combined being above baseline.
spk08: Morgan? Yeah, John, thank you. And Ricky, thanks for the question. John covered most of it, I think. I would say looking next year, it's not indifferent. We remain confident in the approach and our discipline. And consistent with what we've done quarter over quarter, year over year, we're pricing to forward view of trend. Certainly, that's always respectful of market uncertainty. And as John indicated, COVID is going to be around for a while. We've done extensive work to assess various scenarios and how that could play out. But nonetheless, we feel quite confident in the way we price the 22 business. So thank you again for the question.
spk17: Thank you. Next question, please. Next, we'll go to the line of Kevin Fishbeck from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
spk16: Great. Thanks. Just wanted to dig in a little bit into the... a redetermination headwind that you mentioned. Is there any way for you to kind of size how much membership today you think you have due to redeterminations, how you're thinking about, you know, net losses, like how much you might pick up on the exchanges or in the commercial market, and then as it relates to Medicaid rates, how you feel about Medicaid rates broadly, particularly, again, with redeterminations coming in that can influence what rates are appropriate given the risk pool. So those three aspects.
spk19: Yeah, sure, Kevin. I'll see if I can start out and respond to your questions. But in terms of the redetermination, we're really taking a look at where we think these members are going to go. And there's been a lot of other studies out there that we think are relatively credible. But we believe that by the end of next year, and that assumes that redeterminations do start to occur maybe late, early second quarter of 2022, that we'll still have a good 35% of those folks still be maintained on the Medicaid rolls. We're looking at about 45% of them going back into employer-sponsored plans, and that would take about 20% being eligible for subsized coverage on exchanges. And as I stated, we have products and all those things, and we expect to keep and maintain our fair share. So we feel very good about our opportunity and our ability to keep the membership within the Anthem family over the course of the next year. And then as it relates to the Medicaid pricing, we learned a lot a few years ago in terms of working with the states, being very proactive, and ensuring that we're having actually justified rates. And we'll certainly continue to do that. It's very early in the rating season. But we're comfortable with what we're seeing to date and building our financial plan with prudent assumptions that we believe are well supported. And the states are very, say we're having some very productive conversations with the states as well about ensuring that we get actuarially justified rates throughout the future. The only other thing I'll say about the Medicaid is there are a lot of financial measures that are in place now that far more of them used to be in place in terms of collars, corridors, and things like that, you know, that really help maintain the profitability and maintain the stability of that marketplace. So you really need to look at Medicaid over a long period of time. Thank you, Kevin. Thanks for the question. Next question, please.
spk17: Next we'll go to the line of Dave Windley from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
spk06: Hi, thanks for taking my question. My question is about kind of your strategic investment preference. Gail, you've emphasized that for Anthem, your preference is to partner rather than own your provider networks. I'm wondering if you could shine maybe a brighter light on how your investment in behavioral and digital and some of the other areas that you've mentioned kind of accelerate your strategy and drive better return for Anthem than the possibility of owning and controlling some of your key providers. I'm sure that those others are higher return, but in what way are they for Anthem? Thanks.
spk24: Thanks for the question, David. A couple of things. I think you hit on many of the core drivers. First and foremost, as we've said, because of the density that we have in our markets, we believe that investing in partnerships makes the most sense because we believe we can drive better membership, better STARS ratings, and with one in eight patients being an Anthem member, the density of working with those providers provides us a good return. And also remember, we can participate in the profit stream there by embedding some of our DBG assets, our other assets around IngenioRx and so on. It's not that we're walking away from participating in those profit streams. We actually think we have a much more capitally efficient use by investing, partnering, and then pulling through the other assets that we have invested in. And so that's the core of our strategy, and it's worked really well, and we're continuing to accelerate that strategy. And as I shared, we expect to have 70% in value-based arrangements, 30% in full-capitated arrangements. It's a big driver for our Medicare Advantage business. But quite frankly, all of our benefits businesses are going to have an opportunity there. In terms of other areas that we're investing in, you know, we've said that we really want to transform ourselves. And part of that transformation is building this digital platform for health. The opportunities are inside of Anthem as well as with our blue partners. And we see, again, opportunities to commercialize that. That's going to be over the next several years. One of the reasons I elevated Rajiv Ranaki, who has been leading this area, is to really explore those opportunities. Again, we've been doing that inside of Anthem, but we think there's an opportunity with our partners to do more areas around Sydney, for example, Sydney Health, which is gaining great traction, our Health OS, which we think could be a broader opportunity for the health ecosystem. We've done quite a bit of investment in stars and heat as quality improvement, AI and analytics, digital therapeutics. So there's a broad range of things around the digital capabilities and ecosystem we're building. But in terms of the value, again, we look at the most efficient way to deploy our capital, where we have our strength, which is the density in the markets we serve, and how it builds, I think, our strategy. And then how we pull through Ingenio, DBG, and other services, which really are not as Those are still immature in the sense that we haven't pulled them through to the potential that they have and excited about Pete's leadership there given his understanding of both commercial and the government business and the opportunities that exist. So thanks for the question. Again, we think it's a really strong future growth opportunity for us. Next question, please.
spk17: Next, we'll go to the line of Stephen Valliquette from Barclays. Please go ahead.
spk10: Great, thanks. Good morning. I have another question on the lower-than-expected non-COVID utilization for the third quarter. I guess I was curious if you have any additional color by medical cost category, whether it's inpatient, outpatient, pharmacy, et cetera. What I'm really curious about is specifically whether any cost category had a more notable falloff versus baseline when thinking about the sequential trends in 3Q versus the trends back in the June quarter. Thanks.
spk19: Thanks for your question, Steve. In terms of the specificity, I would say that what we saw in September was that inpatient non-COVID probably dropped the most of all of the different buckets that you stated. We don't view any of these things as being changing to the ultimate baseline. There were announcements that were made at the beginning of September that certain facilities were deferring or canceling some elective procedures in order to ensure that there's appropriate bed space. So while certainly we saw the impact on the financials, we do monitor pre-offs, pre-certs, various other things, and don't really view that situation as a significant change to the baseline going forward. So thank you for the question. Next question, please.
spk17: Next, we'll go to the line of Scott Fidel from Stevens. Please go ahead.
spk13: Hi, thanks. Good morning. Just wanted to ask about the additional Group MA contracts that you called out that you've added in the free queue for 2022. Any chance that you can maybe size the number of lives that you're expecting from those? And then just on the Group NYC contract implementation, I know you're still working on membership and things like that, but Interested if you can maybe ring fence for us the dilution you're thinking about for 2022 against that 12% EPS growth off the base fund you talked about. That would be helpful as well. Thanks.
spk24: Thank you. Go ahead. I was going to ask Felicia to respond on your MA questions first, and then we'll have John. Thank you.
spk23: Good morning, and thank you for the question. You know, I'll say, Scott, that at the end of the day, the additional contracts that Gail referenced, we're certainly pleased with the opportunity to add those to our business for 1-1-22. They are not going to be material drivers of their own, but what they do is that they represent the ability for us to continue to penetrate that pipeline that we have with our commercial customers. So, as you know, our strategy has always been to be able to penetrate the inherent commercial pipeline that we have so that we're able to keep members blue for life. And what we've done in terms of that third quarter is to have a very robust pipeline that gives us some very nice-sized groups, certainly much smaller than anything you've seen around the city of New York or anything else. but they are not going to be material drivers and fit, I would say, very closely with what we consider the sweet spot when we look at the opportunities to grow MA going forward. We still consider this a very strategic asset for us and being able to grow that business as we go forward. Once again, we are very poised to deliver on the launch of the City of New York business for 1-1-22 and are certainly pleased with the opportunity to be able to continue to support New York retirees who have been customers for Empire for a long period of time. So this is another, I would say, affirmation of our strategy around what we're doing with respect to group MA business. And additionally, the pipeline for this business remains strong as we head into 2023. And with that, I'll turn it over to John to talk about the dilution.
spk19: Thank you, Felicia. Scott, I appreciate the question. Unfortunately, this is a third quarter call and we're really not going to get into specificity associated with guidance for 2022. We'll talk in more detail about that at the next quarter. And as I said, New York's still going through their enrollment process, so we don't have all the information quite fine-tuned. But what I would ask you to do is to really evaluate the tailwinds and the headwinds that I provided in their entirety. And then after you adjust for the outperformance in investment income, we think that those headwinds and tailwinds pretty much offset each other and will allow us to achieve our 12% to 15% growth for the future. Thank you. Next question, please.
spk17: Next, we'll go to the line of George Hill from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
spk05: Hey, good morning, guys, and thanks for taking the question. I guess this is probably going to be a 22 question as well, John, but I was wondering if you could frame any numbers around the success in Ingenio, given all the positive commentary. I would just love any comments on how you guys are thinking about the opportunity with generic Humira and biosimilars in general.
spk09: Yeah, thanks for that question. Yeah, as you referenced, you know, as it relates to Ingenio, we're really pleased with the performance In large part, the performance this year was due to strong membership and volume across the entire portfolio. So, all our lines of business and utilization is also tracking expectations. So, we feel good about that heading into 2022 as well as the growth that I talked about and our focus on penetrating the ASO business. So, we feel good about the Ingenio business heading into 2022. the growth and then the stability of the business in terms of its margin contribution.
spk17: Thank you. Next question, please. Next, we'll go to the line of Joshua Raskin from Nefron Research. Please go ahead.
spk01: Hi. Thanks for squeezing me in here at the end. How do you think about the No Surprises Act around sort of your strategy around network contracting and maybe potential changes in the balance of power between payers and providers and local markets? And you know, specific to Anthem, you know, do you think sort of best cost position, biggest discounts? Is that helpful or harmful as you think about the future?
spk24: Well, thanks for the question, Josh. You know, in terms of the overall, our posture, you know, we have had a cost structure advantage, unit cost structure advantage. But as you heard in my comments, given our market density, we are moving heavily towards value-based payment. I mean, that is at the core of our strategy. So that's an alignment of working with care providers in a much different way. Again, we believe both the investments we're making in primary care, the investments we're making in downstream home care, other things through our Diversified Business Group, IngenioRx, that we have an opportunity to bring those assets together uniquely and then leverage the density originally in our commercial business, but now our Medicaid business and our Medicare Advantage business. We feel we've made really good strides on that and we actually see a better alignment with care providers than we've ever had in the past. Quite frankly, I'm optimistic about where we're heading, and I think that that really is the core of our strategy. Thank you for the question, and next question, please.
spk17: Next, we'll go to the line of Whit Mayo from SVB Living. Your line is open.
spk02: Hey, thanks. Last year, you guys in the industry waived a lot of coinsurance requirements, and Just remind me what you're doing now. Are we back to 2019 copay, coinsurance, member requirements? Are we still, you know, waiving on MA for primary care? I guess really the question here is thinking through, you know, 2022 and any, you know, headwinds or tailwinds as we think about any changes in member cost sharing. Thanks.
spk24: Thank you for the question, Whit. You know, it's certainly during the heart of the pandemic where non-COVID utilization dropped significantly, and we also wanted to be, you know, a very thoughtful participant in what was happening. We did a number of waiving of co-shares, as you know, as part of our response across all of our businesses. As we headed into 2021, those normal, I'll call it normal, costs came back into play, mostly because non-COVID utilization returned back to normal levels in many instances. in total and there wasn't significant drops. So from that perspective, we're following the policies that we have across the board right now and heading into 2022. Thanks for the question. Next question.
spk17: And our final question will go to the line of Frank Morgan from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
spk07: Good morning. There's a lot of suggestions about labor with providers and I'm just curious, are you starting to have discussions when you start to negotiate with the providers about their wage inflation, what they're seeing, and what is your sense of that? And then secondly, just any early initial insights into what might be resonating so far in the annual enrollment period. Thanks.
spk24: Yeah, thanks for the double question. The first one around the labor market, clearly across all labor markets, you know, people are seeing pressure on the ability to get employment levels up to where they need to and then there is some pressure in terms of our negotiated contract you know I you know we do those over three years cycles and we're also very focused again on value-based payments so I think the big opportunity is to move away from individual unit cost increases which has been the historical I guess trend in the industry to really bundling value-based payment paying for episodes and procedures and that's really where we've been so I At this stage, what I'd say is, look, we're always in a dynamic environment in terms of our negotiation, but we feel we've factored that into how we're looking at the forward view of everything that's going on. And we do see the biggest opportunity is not just only managing unit costs, but really managing value and part of the value-based payments, because there's a much better alignment of doing the right services at the right times. And that's our view. But in terms of our forward view, again, we're taking into consideration everything. And again, many of our largest contracts are on a three-year basis, so not all of them, obviously, are in play right now. Thanks for the question. I'm going to ask Felicia to talk a little bit about our annual enrollment period, which I think was your second question.
spk23: Yes. Good morning, Frank, and thank you for the question. You know, as you know, we're in the early days of the annual enrollment period, and, you know, we're actually very pleased with what we've seen so far with respect to how we are positioned competitively in terms of our benefits and the plans that we're offering and feel that we'll be able to produce another year of double-digit growth in our individual Medicare products. I'll say we're especially pleased with our supplemental benefits, our over-the-counter offerings. These are the things we call our essential extras, everyday extras. We give members an opportunity to choose from a portfolio of benefits that allows them to address their needs, particularly the social drivers of health. The other thing I will say is that we are also pleased with how we are positioned with respect to our DSNP products where we have a very strong value proposition considering our deep knowledge and experience between Medicare and Medicaid and being able to serve chronic and complex populations. So when we think about where we are today, a little bit less than five days in, we feel good about our positioning and look forward to having a very successful AEP.
spk24: Thank you, Felicia. And thank you again for your interest in Anthem. As we close the call, I want to recognize our associates. This continues to be a challenging year. Each day they step up and they step out to live our mission and values and serve our members and communities with care and compassion. I'm impressed and grateful for what they do all the time. We work hard to create a culture at Anthem where everyone feels valued and their contributions make a difference. So I'm particularly proud to see us recently named among America's 100 Great Places to Work and Healthiest 100 Workplaces. I'll leave you with this. There's increasing opportunity for Anthem to offer elevated personalized experiences as we holistically address what our society needs to be and stay healthy. We're building for tomorrow and beyond. evolving the business to be more digital, moving fast, thinking differently, and operating with discipline. Personally, I'm extremely optimistic for our future. Thank you.
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