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is being recorded. Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Matt Klein, Vice President of Treasury and Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. I am joined today by Bill Waltz, President and CEO, John Deitzer, Chief Financial Officer, and John Pergenzer, Chief Operating Officer and President of Electrical. We will take questions at the conclusion of the call. I would like to remind everyone that during this call, we may make projections or forward-looking statements regarding future events or financial performance of the company. Such statements involve risks and uncertainties such that actual results may differ materially. Please refer to our SEC filings and today's press release, which identify important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in our projections or forward-looking statements. In addition, any reference in our discussion today to EBITDA means adjusted EBITDA. And any reference to EPS or adjusted EPS means adjusted diluted earnings per share. Adjusted EBITDA and adjusted diluted earnings per share are non-GAAP measures. Reconciliations of non-GAAP measures and a presentation of the most comparable GAAP measures are available in the appendix to today's presentation. With that, I'll turn it over to Bill.

Thanks, Matt, and good morning, everyone. Starting on slide three, our Q1 performance was in line with our expectations. We achieved net sales of $662 million and adjusted EBITDA of $99 million, both of which were within our outlook range. Our $1.63 of adjusted EPS was near the top end of our outlook range. Organic volume declined 5% in the first quarter, but this is in comparison to our strong volume performance in the first quarter of fiscal 2024. Our teams have been focused on executing the growth initiatives that we discussed in November related to water and global construction services. We are on track with our organic initiatives and are planning for those to come online later in the year to support both our PV and HDP water products. We continue to pursue several opportunities for global megaprojects as we look to grow our pipeline and eventual backlog. We remain committed to returning cash to our shareholders as evidenced by the $50 million in share repurchase in the first quarter, which complements our quarterly dividend payment. I'm also pleased to highlight the release of our fiscal year 2024 sustainability report, which we published last month. This report details our ongoing initiatives, accomplishments, and progress toward our 2025 goals. In the first quarter of 2025, we released additional environmental product declarations for our core products. ATCOR has EPDs for our core products covering approximately half of our global sales. When we met in November, we planned our year with an expectation that we would continue to face challenges impacting both our volume and price due to increased foreign and domestic competition. Most notably, these challenges impact our PVC conduit and steel conduit businesses. Having completed our first quarter, we now believe the challenges we outlined in November will have a larger impact on our 2025 performance than previously anticipated. We saw year-over-year volume increases in imported PVC conduit, which is impacting the market environment. additionally we continue to see year-over-year increases in ports for steel conduit the imports for both pvc conduit and steel conduit originated from countries where quantity limitations are either non-existent or poorly enforced during the first quarter we saw downstream constraints impacting our utility scale solar market which impacted our volume however we are pleased by the improved operational performance within the S&I team and our Hobart, Indiana facility. I am disappointed that we continue to operate in these conditions. The challenges we are navigating are not what we anticipated at the end of fiscal year 2022 when we signaled normalization of our record profits. We now expect full year 2025 adjusted EBITDA to be approximately $400 million at the midpoint of our range. Our outlook reflects what we believe is most probable. We are pleased that an announcement was made related to tariffs on Mexico. Should these tariffs go into effect, they should have a positive impact on our business At this time, our outlook does not contemplate any material benefits from tariffs on imported conduits. As a reminder, the recently announced tariffs impacting Mexico and Canada do not affect our PVC conduit business. We are currently forecasting the headwinds impacting PVC pricing may continue. In the meantime, we are advancing our key initiatives to expand our business in new market areas. Secondly, We are prudently looking at our enterprise-wide cost structure to mitigate the impact of these industry headwinds. Lastly, we are looking at alternative scenarios for certain assets to provide the best economic return. My conviction and our team remain strong, and we will lean into our business system to execute our strategy. I'd like to take a moment to thank all of our employees for everything they do to support our key stakeholders. With that, I'll now turn the call over to John to talk through the results from the quarter and provide more details on our outlook.

Thank you, Bill, and good morning, everyone. Moving to our consolidated results on slide four. In the first quarter, we achieved net sales of $662 million and adjusted EBITDA of $99 million. Our tax rate in the first quarter was 21%. an increase from 17.5% in the prior year. As a reminder, the tax rate in the first quarter of last year had benefits from previously granted stock compensation. These outsized benefits contributed to our stronger than anticipated EPS performance in the first quarter of fiscal 24. Turning to slide five in our consolidated bridges. Organic volumes were down 5% compared to double digit growth in the first quarter of fiscal 24 when volume was up over 13%. Our average selling prices declined 12% during the quarter, most of which came from our PVC conduit and steel conduit products. Moving to slide 6, our volume declined during the first quarter was across most product categories. As we mentioned earlier, volume in the first quarter last year was atypical for what is traditionally our slowest quarter. Our metal framing, cable management, and construction services businesses grew mid-single digits in the first quarter of fiscal 25 after being up high single digits in the prior year. This growth is driven by both an increase in our construction services support of global megaprojects, as well as the high density of metal framing products required for this type of construction. We anticipate additional growth from these businesses throughout our fiscal year, in part due to the addition of new capacity for metal framing to support large construction projects such as data centers and chip fab manufacturing. Our plastic pipe and conduit product category declined mid-single digits during the quarter. This category grew high single digits in the prior year as the channel was adding back inventory after a period of destocking in 2023. Separately, as Bill mentioned earlier, we are also seeing an increase in imported products coming from multiple locations, including Central and South America. The combination of imports remains below 10% of the overall market, but we are continuing to monitor the situation closely. In addition, we are examining the product quality characteristics of these imported materials versus the standards and specifications. Our volume decline for steel conduit was also impacted by year-over-year foreign competition. We believe that imports represent between approximately 20 to 25% of the overall market. As we look beyond Q1, we continue to expect growth across much of the portfolio, including contributions from our plastic pipe category, driven by growth in our water-related products. Overall, we continue to expect volume growth between low to mid single digits for the full year. Turning to slide seven, adjusted EBITDA margins compressed in our electrical segment due to previously mentioned pricing and volume declines. The adjusted EBITDA margins also declined in our S&I segment primarily due to lower volume. The S&I segment margins, however, did improve sequentially from the fourth quarter 2024. We are pleased with the operational performance and improvements being made in our key facilities, such as Hobart. Turning to slide eight, we continue to execute our balanced capital deployment model with an emphasis on returning cash to shareholders, along with capital investments to progress our growth initiatives. Our balance sheet remains in a strong position with no maturity repayments required until 2028. Next, on slide nine. we expect low to mid single digit percentage volume growth for the full year. We expect our Q2 net sales in the range of $685 million and $715 million. Our adjusted EBITDA is expected to be in the range of $85 to $95 million. Our adjusted EPS is expected to be in the range of $1.30 and $1.50. Historically, we are accustomed to anticipating some amount of seasonality. We generally build in an expectation that the back half of the year will be stronger than the first half. We believe this will be the case this year for two main reasons. First, our overall business is generally stronger in the spring and summer construction season versus the fall and winter. Second, as we continue to ramp up our initiatives, our volume should steadily increase throughout the year. Therefore, we expect adjusted EBITDA to improve sequentially from Q2 into the second half of the year. As Bill shared, we are also updating our full-year 2025 outlook. We now expect full-year adjusted EBITDA in the range of $375 to $425 million, and adjusted EPS in the range of $5.75 to $6.85. With that, I'll turn it back to Bill.

Thanks, John. Moving to slide 10. As I and the entire management team focus on executing our growth initiatives and creating greater value for our customers and shareholders, we remain confident that the electrical industry is a great place to be. PACCOR's strong balance sheet, breadth of products, service capabilities, and goal of being the customer's first choice positions us well to benefit from the strong electrical trends projected across numerous and market categories we remain committed to returning cash to shareholders through a combination of share repurchases and quarterly cash dividends and look forward to sharing more about our progress against our growth and issues related to global construction services and water related products later in the year through it all we are guided by our strategy our process and our people, the three fundamentals of the ACFOR business system. One recent demonstration of the ACFOR business system at work is our announcement of our new Chief Operating Officer held by John Proginzer. John's multidisciplinary career combined with his experience holding various roles at ACFOR since joining in 2015 makes him a tremendous asset and I'm excited by the additional value he will help act or achieve for our customers and our shareholders. With that, we'll turn it over to the operator to open the line for questions.

Thank you. At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press FARD and the number 1 on your telephone keypad. We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Andy Kaplowitz with Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Good morning, Andy.

Bill, can you elaborate on the commentary that import competition is gaining momentum in PVC? Maybe what has changed with PVC imports versus the past? You've seen a pretty big move from this Latin American competition. And then metal conduit volume looks like a reverse course and declined in Q1. Is that just

for comps project delays or new capacity it's starting to come in yeah so let's go through pbc um and i'll go and take your question and give a bunch of details here andy um imports have grown now there's still single digit numbers but they've grown over 20 percent year over year so I just, you know, whether it's, hey, it starts working or they get customers, therefore they increase their shipments. And that's probably the primary thing. Again, single digits, overall market volume, but driving down price and or competition with slower markets, matching price, all those different things. So now the one thing I want to jump ahead on is in our guide. What we've done this year, just because quite frankly for anybody frustrated with not having numbers that we hit and exceed, is that we put it out. We have it literally going down to pre-COVID levels by the time we exit the year. Now, is it our intention to add value and see if we can push price up and see what Trump does and everything else there? But for now, instead of saying, oh, we didn't expect it, we've taken a very aggressive view, quite frankly, a view for price declines in our forecast, again, not what we're internally managing to, that this would be the worst year for year-over-year declines in PVC. So, Andy, I both answered kind of the imports. I also think, now again, I don't know anybody's cost base. If you get to that point where it's pre-COVID, I don't think they can make money with the additional freight, even if they have lower levels. From our analysis, the resin costs in these countries are the same as ours. There's a proportion that's labor is just small compared to everything else that I don't think would make economic sense anymore. So hopefully you get a feel for that. Steel, I think, and look over my team and so forth, but it's mostly just year over year comp. Um, imports are still a challenge there, but literally imports have grown like 4%. So I think it's moderating with that. Um, it's just, we had a tough cop, but again, Andy, one of the things we did with this thing is to go, you know what we talked in previous courts, we did not expect much bump from, you know, Trump and tariffs versus like, Hey, somewhere at the end of the year, things have to steady out. It's like, no guys, just take a linear. Or do not expect any price increase anywhere. So again, I think you have not changed your guide to get on call, but I think we've taken out all variables and now it's just for us to perform. Any Trump tariff, any quota, any thing else is upside to these numbers.

Bill, that's helpful. And then just on the volume side, I just want to make sure of this. So volume was down 5%. It looks like that is just tough comps. You're not... forecasting, any cyclical improvement in construction markets? It's just seasonal improvement. Is that right? And maybe any sort of commentary on the health of the markets that you see?

Yeah, exactly, Andy. So no bounce back in industries, no bounce back in residential or anything else there. So it's literally, as I think in John's prepared remarks, I think we will finally get back to normal pre-COVID things that there is that 7%, 10%, just the summer months and so forth. that will have that. Otherwise, even most of our niches, like I'm sure somebody will ask about beads and HDPE, you know, we really have going into 26 and so forth.

Okay. And just one more for me, like, can you give more color into your comments regarding looking at your cost structure and or getting value? I think you said value for strategic assets. Might we see bigger activities on these fronts this year, and what could that look like?

I'll start and turn it over to John Deitzer because there's so many things, but I'll steal some of John's just talking this morning. Sorry, John. But I'll give you things we've already done. We had a facility in Tempe, Arizona. And, again, we do drive lean. We were able to close that operation, still keep the business activity, but move it into Phoenix, move it up into Massachusetts. So that's one example. We did also, as we look forward strategically, look and go, hey, we can produce in some areas. I don't want to get what specific line, but to go, hey, we can actually produce and we don't need this asset. So we sold two or three production lines. Again, we will still meet our customer demand. Without that, we are, you know, cutting back on, you know, I say personnel, but hey, headcount freeze for attrition. We're looking at lines back to, let's say, PVC, conduit, and water, making trade-offs depending on the economic return, making the economic return on how much mechanical product versus conduit products. And the list goes on. We have, and I think we'll hit this, the most aggressive or the highest year-over-year productivity that I'm aware of in ACWRS history. So, Andy, it's a bunch of things we're looking at. and could we spin off small businesses that you bought with an acquisition that weren't strategic? All those things either have happened or are in place as we go.

I agree with everything Bill mentioned there. I would just add to his point that we did have some positive productivity, and we are going through almost at every line item, asset by asset, what makes the most sense. So I think we are actively trying to understand what levers we have to pull.

Yeah. And it's, Andy, sense for you. I know you appreciate, but again, it's a forecast. We have two weeks of backlog, all those other things. But I do think this is a point where I'm just frustrated with the unexpected. It's like, okay, guys, let's not assume good things. They will raise forecasts and let's work like hell to get these numbers moving forward.

Appreciate the color. Good luck, guys.

Thanks, Andy. Thanks, Andy.

Your next question comes from the line of Dean Ray with RBC. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Hey, Dean.

Hey, so just if I step back and look at the first quarter, price and volume both came in largely in line with our expectations. So the cut here is all prospective and how you think the dynamics change. for the balance of the year. And maybe if it would be helpful if you could just in broad strokes kind of break out for us on that guidance cut, how much is the PVC, how much is steel conduit, just the size, kind of the severity. And you hadn't, unless I missed it, talked about the new competitor in PVC. Maybe it hasn't really become all that volume online yet, but you could address that.

Yeah, I'll hit the beginning, and then I'll turn it over to my luscious financial partner just on what level of precision on the breakout between two groups. But, Dean, to the earlier comments I made to Andy, yes, he's out there. Others are there. I think it's mostly the imports at this stage that are driving it, and then just market reaction. I would say, and this has been consistent for 10 years, That, I mean, for ACOR ever, supplying demand is the biggest challenge. And now, you know, December was light. We answered that with the previous set of questions. It's mostly COP. And then, obviously, January was light. What I hate to talk about, like storms, you know, fires on California and, you know, freezing temperatures down south. that I, you know, but us looking, saying, Hey, how is January pricing going? And what happens to this trend continues? I just don't want the optimism. This won't continue to happen. So like, let's literally extrapolate that now. I'm not changing to go the first week of February, whether the concern of tariffs have actually, you know, if we keep this up, it'd be another number, but that's one week. So I think we're going through those things and just saying, Hey, Let's not hit with what we would like to have happen, but what could happen and work our way back up from there.

And then John, I'll jump in here from kind of help you dimension at Dean. So from a price versus cost standpoint, we roughly had an outlook of down $300 million previously. Now we're at the midpoint, roughly down 400 million. So it's a hundred million dollar Delta from a price versus cost standpoint, uh, versus where we were at back in November. I'd say roughly $75 million or three quarters of that is on the PVC side, and probably 25% of that is on the steel conduit side. So overwhelmingly driven by the changes in expectations from a PVC conduit. I'd say that market is changing as we've talked about, and I'll probably kick it here over to John Progenzer, who can kind of give some context on what we're seeing from an import perspective, where it's coming from, because I don't think it's just about the domestic competition as well. John?

No. Thanks, John. Good morning, Dean. So when we look at the PVC market, there's been a number of new entrants from all different sources, whether it's imports from Latin America, from China. We've seen domestic producers diversify out of the water work business to get into the electrical space. And obviously there's new entrants that are coming in out of nowhere. So it's you know, my career, probably the most disruptive period we've ever seen in regards to number of new interns. And that's just creating a lot of pressure on price and spread that we're experiencing. And there's been a significant acceleration here as we've been tracking this price normalization over the past couple of years. The last quarter to two quarters has really accelerated. So I think what we're trying to do is to capture that going out for the rest of the year.

Anything I'd ask? Go ahead.

Oh, go, Dean. Sorry.

No, I just that's great color to be able to size what those are and to hear John's comments about the how many other entrants are in the PVC side. We were thinking just it was Venezuela and Dominican Republic, but it's much more than that. So that's very helpful. And and Bill, I cut you off.

Oh, yeah, no. And the only thing I would then put a pin in is like, hey, we have factors. You never know, but literally, as I mentioned earlier, to go, okay, let's bring it back to pre-COVID levels. And Dean, back to, again, I can't commit to this, Dean or anybody else. But you've been around for the decades plus or even before that, as you know. But the PBC rule of the 500 miles, the margins aren't there to substantiate it. So we actually think before we get to that number, some of this would shut off. But I'd rather have it as best as we can in the forecast.

Yeah, that's a great last point there. And just one question, and I'll hand it off, was, Are you suggesting that some of these imports, and is it both PVC and steel, might not be meeting specs?

Yeah, I would say without getting too specific and looking over my attorney here because there's not a 30-second rewind, we've communicated in the past there's several things occurring. One is There's products that don't have all the specs. So for example, you can use it in this application, but you can't use it in that. So then a contractor has to decide, are they meeting as they input this? And quite frankly, they're not looking to go, oh, it doesn't meet a temperature of 90 degrees Celsius. Two, we are working with the authorities on products coming in, even for example, but I won't call what specific customers and so forth, but where they have to pass like an impact test of seven out of 10, you have to drop away from a certain thing and not crack. And we've recently tested one significant importer and they're passing one out of 10. So from authorities to customers, to our government relations, This also are things just for the safety of society need to be fixed.

Thanks for sharing that. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Yeah. Thanks, Dean.

Your next question comes from the line of David Tarantino with Keyback Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Hi, everyone. Maybe just to put a finer point on PVC. Is the revision entirely from the imports, or is there also additional capacity domestically Then could you maybe give us an updated view on the degree of incremental capacity being added from the market as a whole?

Yeah, I think, David, it's a little of both to what John Bergenzer said. What we don't know, because again, we don't talk to our competition, I don't know how much is additional lines coming on board versus just the mix of some of these people go hey i'm municipal just like we're moving into like we we generically call it the water market you got ag you got plumbing municipal within there but how much of these others saying let's expand some you know i say expand but sign up an agent and so forth so is it capacity versus expanding their market presence that's a little bit tougher but it is Imports is a large part. When I'm saying large, again, I'm trying to dimensionalize it so less than 10%, but it was up over 20% year over year, and then it's expanding out with some of the U.S. manufacturing companies.

Just to confirm, this quarter's revision was mostly just the imports?

Well, I think it's pricing. The one problem with this even, and I've talked in the past, whether it's steel, conduit, or whatever else, it's like... So I'll brag for Accor, and then I'll try to answer your question. I still think we're the market leader out there. We have the full breadth of products. We have regional service centers. We have national footprint. Because of our spend, we have relationships with all these companies, and we're kind of the first choice and last look. But people trying to enter the market, trying to grow will leverage price. It's hard to say, to go, well, hold it, who was the one that dropped their price? Or now that somebody dropped their price, even a well-known, recognized competitor of ours, called a tier one person who's been around for a century or something, the PBC hasn't been around that long, but you get it, to go, hey, now they're matching, or now they think that's the market price. So, David, it's just so hard to say, here is the one causing it. I think it's more the imports, but I just can't.

say or you can't point it down to one specific one does that make sense hopefully yeah yeah that's helpful and then on the volume growth is there a way to break it out between kind of end market expectations and the internal initiatives and maybe on that could you give us an update on the progress around the growth initiatives particularly between solar and water yeah absolutely david thank you um so i i would just think about the framework we laid out on page six

is a good way to start that metal framing cable management construction services business did very well in the first quarter mid single digit growth after high single digit growth in the previous year this is where we have really good exposure to some of the strongest growing end markets like data centers and some of the large manufacturing projects and then we have the capability that we've talked about from construction services as well as we have some new equipment related to the metal framing product line that we think will really help us here drive a significant portion of that growth. That product category will continue to grow in the back half of the year. Probably that would be a key driver for us. As you mentioned, the other key driver, the plastic pipe conduit product category, we think with the new water-related products, that's the next biggest growth driver in the back half of the year, especially As we manage through some of these comps, we talked about the first quarter. We had the difficult comparison around last year with the restocking, things like that. But now we have that equipment and benefiting. So that's probably the next biggest driver. And then, you know, we expect the metal conduit electrical cable. There should be that kind of market level growth of low single digits for the overall non-residential market. But we do have the competitive factors, especially thinking about the steel conduit dynamics. And then the mechanical tube area, we were soft here in the first quarter. We do anticipate that getting better in the back end of the year, but there is challenges with the solar market in general. We are performing well, as we mentioned, but there are some dynamics that I think some people are trying to sort through. So that's kind of the construct and the framework on how to still get to that low single-digit volume growth for the back end of the year. I think there are some positives. We've talked about a lot of unfavorable items here we are positive here this metal framing construction services is doing well and i think not just this year but as we look in the future this is a really key area for us to combine a few different offerings so i think it think it can be really good for years to come okay great thank you thanks david

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Dankert with Luke Capital. Please go ahead.

Hey, morning, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Good morning, Chris. Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but the expectation around profitability is now that we're going to reset the pre-COVID levels on the PVC side. However, we've seen more imports come in. We've seen more domestic production. So how do we be confident that that is actually the right level and not something lower than pre-COVID? Okay, so I'll go through that.

There's no guarantee. But what I would say, Chris, to my earlier remarks, first off, I'll even clarify a little bit. What we have in here is our pricing DAO. to that level. And then the nuance of that is, I think everybody would agree that labor costs going through COVID, double-digit inflation for a couple years, transportation going up, that the margins we have at the end are even lower than pre-COVID, like what we're thinking for industry level. And then to answer I gave earlier, again, I don't know others' cost position, but at some point, our quick analysis, she says, is just no longer effective because of the freight back in the day um i'm saying pre-covered we used to have this general rule that you didn't ship more than 500 miles seven eight hundred miles because back then freight was around seven to eight percent of revenue you just you know it's a big bulky light item it cubes out it doesn't wait out for the pricing therefore at some point imports coming from across the globe no longer in our opinion from our analysis at the moment make economic sense so i can't guarantee the future there but i just think at some point you know you start getting down to your cost position and from that standpoint i feel good with that court because we are one of the largest resident buyers we've talked in previous it has been massive over the last couple years for the pricing But, you know, we have automated factories where people have things we automatically, you know, bundle our products and the 20 other things, you know, mix things that people do manually that I think we have a good, efficient process. And as I mentioned earlier, even this year alone, including PVC, should be our best year for productivity that I'm aware of pre or post IPO.

That's extremely helpful. Thank you for the color there. And then I guess just on Hobart, I mean, maybe can you tell us where production levels are kind of at versus target? And then to my understanding, if the IRA or those incentives are narrowed, changed, whatever, that doesn't particularly shift the profit pool for Hobart, right? Like most of those incentives are passed along to customers, correct?

Yeah, so a couple of things. operations is doing well now. I think even to the point of where I was on a call with the operations teams last week saying, hey, in a different plant, what are you going to do? And there was a little bit of bravado. I think I wish I had a year before, but the team going, well, what we did at Hobart, we're going to now come do there. My point there is operations are hitting speeds, productivity, you know, all the different things that we're expecting at the time. So it's now back in our, one of our top sales teams to go, okay, now that we got this, in addition to solar customers or anything else, go fill the mills, you know, expand beyond and so forth. So, um, we're in a good spot there in general. Again, now it's let's go get volume as for the IRA and so forth. Um, our expectations, whether it's that or no one's asked me about BEADS and HDPE, that I think these are all bipartisan acts that, you know, is spending that hit most states, therefore, whether you're red or blue. So I don't see things changing. And or if there's less, you know, back to our current president, if there's less incentives, you would think there's a tariffs offset that, you know, he has spoken to how he would rather run things. So short term, When you get to solar, I think in the prepared remarks we talked about, there is some hooking up to the grid. I'm well beyond my skis here, but if anything, as President Trump talks about deregulation, over time, that could be an enabler that we get things moving quicker as we add more solar capacity. I like to reference other people. In other words, this is just act work. One of the largest solar trackers, I think, already had their earnings announcement, and they talked about record backlog and so forth. So again, I'm not getting into the quarter, but longer term, I still think this is a great market to be in. And by the way, we started the solar torque tubes before there ever was like an IRA tax credit. So we're prepared to grow this market with or without incentives.

Got it. Well, thank you so much for the call there, and best of luck, guys. Thanks, Chris.

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Moore with TGS Securities. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, guys. Yeah, most of it answered. Good morning. Maybe good morning. Can you provide perhaps the puts and takes as to why fiscal 25 will be the bottom from a revenue and adjusted EBITDA standpoint?

So here's the puts and takes. We do expect, as I mentioned earlier, and I'll give you some caveats to think through with models, Chris, and everybody else, that like the PVC and so forth to ask to go, okay, let's just take it down. It's not going to all drop in January again or February right now. First week of February is pretty damn good. But, you know, over time, let's just bring it down. As I already answered, that's on price and there's more costs than there was five years ago in the industry. So we think it's a natural number, and then it's our productivity, our growth in global mega projects, and so forth that will actually be upsides. Now, the one thing in the model that people have to think about is going into next fiscal year, there would be some, if pricing levels out the end of the year, there would be some decline in 2026, because if you just think about comps, Think about October of 26 versus October of 25. Pricing dropping this year will make a tougher comp at the beginning of next year. So now we're not here to give guidance on 26 yet. I want to show and perform over the next three quarters and drive these initiatives. But do we have enough productivity? I really think, and I look forward in future earnings, talk about global mega projects and what we have accomplished there and various things, you know, um you know the puts and takes but that's chris our thought on yo 26 going forward fair enough i will leave it there thanks guys thank you sir this concludes the question and answer session i would now like to turn the call back over to bill waltz for closing remarks thank you let me take a moment to summarize my three takeaways from today's discussion first ATCOR continues to evolve as we expand our products and services portfolio through our initiatives, which we believe are natural extensions of what we've built over many years. Second, we continue to monitor the overall market dynamics and competitive landscape and believe several factors could have a positive impact for us as we move throughout the year. Finally, remain committed to our capital deployment strategy to create shareholder value over the long term. With that, thank you for your support and interest in our company. We look forward to speaking with you during our next quarterly call. This concludes the call for today.

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