AptarGroup, Inc.

Hello, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Aptar's 2023 third quarter conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. Introducing today's conference call is Mrs. Mary Scafidis, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Communications. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Hello, everyone, and thanks for being with us today. Joining me on today's call are Stefan Tanda, President and CFO, and Bob Kuhn, Executive Vice President and CFO. Our press release and accompanying slide deck have been posted on our website under the investor relations page. During this call, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures. These measures are reconciled to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure in our press release, which was disseminated yesterday. Please refer to the press release. As always, we will post a replay of this call on our website. I would now like to turn it over to Stefan Tanda. Stefan, over to you.

Thank you, Mary, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us on the call today. I will begin my remarks by highlighting our results for the third quarter. Later in the call, Bob Kuhn, our CFO, will provide additional details. Starting on slide three, for the third quarter, APTA achieved core sales growth of 2% and delivered double-digit EPS growth of $1.39 per share due to continued strong demand for our proprietary pharma dosing and dispensing systems, as well as our fragrance dispensing technologies. We experienced significant margin improvement in the quarter with an adjusted EBITDA margin of about 22%, a four-point increase over the prior year's quarter. The margin improvement was driven by a strong focus on cost management across the company and the better mix from relatively faster sales growth in pharma. In quarter three, robust demand continues for our proprietary pharma drug delivery systems, which grew across multiple therapeutic applications, including allergic rhinitis, emergency medicines, central nervous system therapeutics, nasal saline rinse solutions, eye care, and cold and cough, as well as asthma and COPD therapies. In the last year, there has been a lot of focus from our shareholder base on sales of our unidose drug delivery dispensing system for Narcan and generic Naloxone, as this emergency medicine has gone over the counter, or OTC. We have certainly seen solid growth in this important lifesaving application. In addition, we also want to highlight our proprietary bi-dose dispensing system for J&J's Spravato, which has also been a strong contributor to our growth this year. Recently, a study published by the New England Journal of Medicine outlined the positive benefits for patients using Spravato. This drug targeting treatment-resistant depression in adults is delivered in a bi-dose liquid nasal spray system that underwent numerous human use studies to ensure optimal positioning and consistent dosages are delivered with every administration. The medicine is administered as a nasal spray that is absorbed by the lining of the nasal passages and into the bloodstream. This nasal delivery supports rapid and appreciable absorption into the bloodstream. Relative to an IV formulation, the nasal route of delivery provides a non-invasive and more convenient dosing option for patients and physicians and is associated with a reduced likelihood of dosing errors. We are proud of the role our dispensing systems play in helping making critical medication more easily administered. Nasally delivered therapies for neurological diseases like depression is a growing area of focus for our customers. Over the last few quarters, we have talked about our pharma service offerings. These are a small part of our overall revenue, but help to position us as a partner of choice for pharma companies, large and small. We are very honored that our pharma service group has been awarded a new contract by the US Food and Drug Administration, studying opportunities for low global warming potential propellant solutions for metered dose inhalers. This contract recognizes and reinforces our thought leadership and expertise in the inhalation space, and also highlights our focus on sustainability, which we know is a differentiator and competitive advantage. In our beauty segment, we saw continued healthy demand for our dispensing solutions for prestige and mass fragrance. Demand for fragrance pumps continue to be driven by growth in Europe and Latin America. Sales for our fragrance sampling solutions also grew modestly in Europe. additionally fusion pkg our full packaging solution provider in north america had strong growth in the quarter when compared to the prior year with its sales pipeline continuing to build having said that duty north america overall continues to be substantially below 2019 volumes especially in personal care however in recent weeks we are starting to see a pickup in orders for some end markets as inventories approach normal levels for certain SKUs. While recovery will not be linear, we believe the worst is behind us and look forward to improving dynamics in North America in 2024. Now turning to slide four, I would like to highlight a few products and medications that launched in the quarter featuring our technology. In pharma, Aptar's seven-year collaboration with Halion led to the launch of a nasal spray technology with an innovative side push button to activate the spray. This patented, intuitive and more consumer-friendly lateral control system technology by Aptar, a first of its kind, features a shorter nozzle, which means more comfort when using the product, while the one push button provides more accurate dosing. In addition, Aphter's metered dose inhaler valve is featured on the RENYA inhalation aerosol, the first FDA-approved generic version of Simbicort. In the European beauty market, Aphter's fragrance and lotion pumps are featured on Jean-Paul Gaultier's Divine Brand products by Pooch. In Asia, our airless technology is the refillable dispensing solution for a new faceless skincare product by the brand Subban. Turning to sustainable solutions, we've expanded our sampling portfolio to include monomaterial paper fragrance sampling, which LVMH is now featuring for a top fragrance brand. Finally, our post-consumer recycled resin pump is the dispensing technology for Estee Lauder's MAC brand foundation in North America. For closures in North America, McCormack is now featuring our closure on their new spice package, and our snap-top dispensing closure for inverted packaging is providing control dispensing for SC Johnson's OFF insect repellent lotion in Latin America. As we mentioned at our recent Investor Day, we have additional information to share around our focus on footprint rationalization and reduction of manufacturing costs. To that end, we have started a second process with our European and French labor representatives to shut down our closure facility in Poissy, France. As we have stated before, these processes take time. We will share more information with you as we can and expect to start realizing savings from this planned closure by mid to late 2024 and full run rate savings in 2025. Our SG&A as a percentage of sales is on track to be around 16% for the full year 2023. Finally, I would like to touch on an ESG update. Earlier this month, we were recognized by 3BL Media and by ISS ESG for our transparency and performance in categories such as climate change, stakeholders and society, human rights and ESG performance for the third consecutive year. We are ranked number 34 on the list of the 100 best corporate citizens. Before I hand the call over to Bob, I also want to highlight that in September, we added a new board member, Sarah Glickman, the CFO of Criteo. Sarah is a highly accomplished executive with more than 30 years of global, financial, and deep operational experience in diverse industries with such companies as Novartis, Honeywell, and Bristol-Myers Squibb. And with that, over to you, Bob.

Thank you, Stefan, and good morning, everyone. Starting on slide five, I would like to summarize the quarter. our reported sales increased 7%. When we neutralized for currencies and acquisitions, our core sales grew 2%, in significant part due to strong demand for our proprietary drug delivery systems, as well as solid demand for fragrance dispensing technologies, while the challenging environment for personal care and home care in North America continued in the third quarter. As shown in slide six, we reported third quarter adjusted earnings per share of $1.39. This represents a 39% increase over prior year adjusted EPS. We achieved adjusted EBITDA of $193 million, which was an increase of 26% from the prior year's third quarter, driven by strong operational performance and ongoing cost management. Turning to some of the details by segment for the quarter, our pharma segment's core sales increased 8%. Approximately 6% of the continued growth came from increased volumes, especially for our proprietary drug delivery systems. Looking at sales in the pharma segment by market, prescription core sales increased 20%, primarily due to continued strong demand for dosing and dispensing technologies for allergic rhinitis, emergency medicine, central nervous system therapeutics, and asthma and COPD therapies. Consumer healthcare core sales increased 14%, driven by higher sales for nasal saline rinse solutions, eye care, and cough and cold applications. When looking at our injectables division, core sales increased 6%. Turning to our active material science solutions, core sales decreased 23%, of which 17% was due to less tooling revenue, as well as a decrease in active vials used for our diabetes care products and decreased demand and sales of our products used on probiotics. which had experienced rapid growth in the prior year's quarter. Pharma's adjusted EBITDA margin was 35% for the quarter, an improvement of about four points over the same period last year. This also includes startup costs for the injectables division capacity expansion of approximately $2 million. We expect startup costs in the range of $2 to $3 million in Q4. Overall, our beauty segment's core sales increased 2%, due to the ongoing challenges in North America. Europe continues to perform solidly with sales and adjusted EBITDA margins well within our long-term target range due to the increased demand for prestige fragrance. Latin America saw healthy demand for mass fragrance solutions, and Asia also saw slight growth in the quarter. Fragrance solutions for the prestige and mass markets continue to perform well with core sales for these dispensing solutions growing double digits in the quarter. Looking at the beauty segment by market, beauty core sales, which represents 64% of beauty segment sales, increased 14%, driven by higher tooling sales, as well as higher sales in both prestige and mass fragrance. Personal care core sales decreased 15% as lower demand in several end-use categories in North America persisted. Europe had modest sales growth, primarily due to sales of our products used in hair care and sun care applications. Home care core sales decreased 24% due to lower sales in North America across several categories, including air care and surface disinfectants. This segment's adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter was about 13%. This is more than a half-point improvement over the same period last year. The closure of segment core sales decreased 9% compared with the prior year's quarter. Approximately 6% of the decrease for the current quarter is due to lower resin costs. While product volumes improved in food and especially in beverage dispensing closures in the quarter, they could not fully offset the decline in volumes for personal care and home care. Looking at the closure segment by market, food core sales decreased 11%. The decline in sales was driven by lower tooling sales, which accounted for 8% of the decrease, and pass-throughs of lower resin costs. Beverage core sales increased 3% due to strong sales in Europe which is our largest beverage market and in North America. In the quarter, we saw increased demand for bottled water and concentrates. Personal care core sales decreased 24% due primarily to lower global demand. In our fourth category, which includes beauty, home care, and health care, core sales increased 24%, mainly due to tooling sales. The segments adjusted EBITDA margin was around 15%. This represents a three-point improvement over the same period last year, even with a decline in sales, due to our continued focus on cost management, as well as the effects of passing on lower resin costs. Our total capex spend for the third quarter of 2023 was $76 million, with the majority going to our pharma segment. The three large capital projects are winding down, making up about 15% of our total capex spend for the quarter, with the majority allocated to our injectables capacity expansion. As a reminder, our injectables capacity expansion will come online in phases and be ready for commercialization at the beginning of 2025. Reported depreciation and amortization expense increased 9% over the prior year quarter to approximately $63 million, or 7% of sales. Slide 7 and 8 cover our year-to-date performance and show the 3% core sales growth and our adjusted earnings per share, which were $3.57, up 22% compared to $2.92 a year ago, including comparable exchange rates. Year-to-date cash flow from operations was $356 million, up from $306 million due to the improvements in earnings. Moving to slide nine, which summarizes our outlook for the fourth quarter, we anticipate our strong momentum to continue and expect fourth quarter adjusted earnings per share excluding any restructuring expenses, acquisition costs, and changes in the unrealized fair value of equity investments to be in the range of $1.06 to $1.14 per share. The estimated tax rate range for the fourth quarter is 24% to 26%. As a reminder, in the fourth quarter, we expect to have a $0.02 to $0.03 impact in startup costs from our injectables expansion program. Additionally, we are expecting some currency tailwinds compared to the prior year. For example, the Euro rate for the prior year fourth quarter was 102, and our guidance for the coming quarter is assuming a 106 Euro rate. We have said that roughly for every one point move in the Euro rate, that equates to roughly two cents per share for the full year. So for the coming quarter, we expect to be looking at approximately a two cent currency benefit on earnings compared to the prior year due to the Euro rate as well as other currency movements. We currently estimate depreciation and amortization for 2023 to be between $240 to $245 million. Our capital expenditures in 2023 net of any government grants is estimated to be around $300 million, including a capacity expansion investment for our pharma proprietary drug delivery systems. In closing, we continue to have a strong balance sheet with a leverage ratio of 1.6 at quarter end, which allows us to continue to invest in the business, pursue strategic opportunities, and continue to return value to shareholders in the form of dividends and share repurchases. In addition to our cash dividend payment to shareholders, which totaled $26.9 million in the quarter, we repurchased approximately 66,000 shares for $8.3 million. At this time, Stefan will provide a few closing comments before we move to Q&A.

Thanks, Bob. In the first nine months of 2023, we have delivered very strong results and showed exceptional growth during our two biggest quarters, quarter two and quarter three. We expect quarter four will continue our trend of double-digit adjusted EPS growth over the prior year period. While quarter four tends to be a smaller quarter for us, We expect our pharma and fragrance franchises to finish the year strong. In the fourth quarter, we expect robust demand for our proprietary pharma drug delivery system to continue. Our fragrance dispensing solutions finish on a high note for 2023, and we look forward to an improving environment in North America, especially for our personal care dispensing solutions, as we believe the worst of the destocking will be behind us. As we look ahead to 2024, Our proprietary drug delivery systems have seen significant growth. Some of that can be attributed to distribution channels refilling to more normal levels following the stocking due to COVID. Narcan and generic naloxone versions going over the counter has also helped spur our growth this year. While the launch of this new distribution channel will not repeat next year, adoption of this life-saving drug continues to expand. We expect our proprietary pharma drug delivery systems to continue to grow in 2024 within the long-term core sales target of 7% to 11%. Our injectable division will be ramping up new capacity for higher value products through the end of 2024. Over the past year, our dispensing devices for fragrances have also seen tremendous growth. 2023 has been a catch-up year for the fragrance industry that postponed new launches for a number of years due to COVID. We expect core sales in fragrance to continue to grow within our beauty long-term target range of 3% to 6%. Both our beauty and closure segments will benefit from an improving environment in North America as we move post the unprecedented COVID destocking. Therefore, we are energized for the fourth quarter and for 2024. you have seen measurable improvement in our SG&A as a percentage of sales and reduced manufacturing fixed costs, which we expect to continue in quarter four and into 2024. And we're excited about the growth opportunities across each of our segments for next year, taking advantage of our increased operating leverage as cost reduction efforts become more visible in the P&L. With that, I now would like to open the call for your questions.

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad now. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star two. In the interest of time and fairness to all participants, please limit yourself to two questions and then come back into the queue if you have more questions as time allows. Our first question comes from George Stafos from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Hi, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. The first one is Stefan and Bob, can you talk to, you mentioned that you're excited about 24. Are there any of your key end markets or product lines that we should expect will be growing below your long-term target range to the extent that you have any visibility? And should we take from your comments recognizing that it's still early Tad Piper- That you expect to see overall earnings growth in 2024 the second question I had during your analyst day. Tad Piper- You cited not only are you going to be trying to reduce SG&A, but you have a goal for combined SG&A plus fixed costs within COGS, where did you perform relative to that metric in the third quarter and how you be updating us on your performance there, thank you.

Hi, George. Thanks for the question. I mean, obviously, we don't give guidance for 24, but what you just heard me say is that we are energized for 24. I mean, when you think about it, our proprietary dispensing devices, yes, grew double-digit, but we expect them to continue to grow within the target range next year. Injectable will not have the ERP issue repeat. For active materials, the tough COVID comparison will have washed out, and we see active materials return to growth. Digital health is still a drag, but will be less of a drag. And fragrance, we expect to continue to grow, albeit at lower rates as the comparisons get tougher. And we fully expect North America uh, to, to normalize. And, you know, we see some green shoots in the fourth quarter and, and China will, uh, or China is, uh, I'll be slowly is, is growing again and progressing. So that all adds up to certainly an expectation of, of, uh, growth, uh, in, in line with our, uh, growth targets. And yes, uh, given all the cost work we do, uh, that, uh, with the increased operating leverage that shoots, results in solid earnings growth without giving a guidance for next year. Now, on your second question, you see the significant EBITDA margin expansion across the board. All three segments have seen EBITDA margin expansion. That, of course, comes from higher gross margins, from lower fixed costs, in the factories, and we are by far not done. So what you see now is things that we started a year ago starting to bleed into the P&L. As we discussed previously, the actions in France that we started a year ago only are being implemented now, and now we start the second tranche, which is the shutdown of the point C site, which you will only see in the P&L. second half of next year, these things have a long lead time. So we certainly expect to continue to work and make sure that we have good operating leverage and strong top-line growth leads to even stronger bottom-line growth.

So we're just kind of a quick follow on and I appreciate all that, you know, from the analyst a deck, I think you said SG&A and fixed COGS as a percentage of sales, you're going to drop that about two points from 21 to 25. Where does that ratio stand right now relative to the starting point? Thanks guys. I'll turn it over.

Well, this is not something we disclose externally. What we disclose externally is the SG&A ratio. and that we expect to end the year at 16%. Quarter three was actually lower, but given that we always have the equity rewards in the first quarter, it averages out to probably 16% for the year.

16.1 through Q3, and we expect to be at 16 year-to-date by the time we finish the year. But overall, George, I think we can say that we are tracking to where we expect it to be for the combined metric.

Okay, I'll turn it over. Thank you, guys.

Our next question is from Gabe Hady from Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

Stefan, Bob, Mary, good morning. Maybe just to dial in a little bit, you know, saying give an intake a mile. In the pharma segment, can you just remind us, I think there was around, if we include startup costs, 25 million of ERP and startup in 2023. Does this all go away next year? And then should we also assume contribution from the growth that we would get in injectables or anything else that we need to be mindful of? And then given the, I guess, the maybe a little bit more rich mix of RX versus some of the other elements within pharma, Would you expect, I guess, moderation adjusting for those other startup costs in ERP in profitability in pharma, or how should we think about that?

Yeah, I mean, on the first question, clearly the ERP cost, especially in the first two quarters and especially in the first quarter, will not repeat. continue to build out the Granville 2 factory, and that will have equipment and trial productions and labor present and no revenue for that. So we will continue to have, if you want startup direct, we don't quantify it yet. We'll probably give that when we do Q4. It will be a bit less, but still there will be something next year. But compared to the ERP cost, it's obviously much smaller. Then on your mix question, yes, if injectables and active materials grow much faster compared to RX and CHC, you will have a negative mix effect. On the other side, as we just said, you will have costs that go away with the ERP system. So we're not going to give you the end result of that. in advance here as it plays out, plus we have cost work, again, across the board to do. I don't know, Bob, if anyone wants to add anything.

Yeah, the only thing I would say is I think, Gabe, our number on the injectables, ERP, and startup costs for the year is probably closer to $20 million than I think you mentioned $25, and we'll have another couple pennies or $2 million, $2 to $3 million in Q4 of this year. Okay.

And then switching gears, I guess, to redeployment and or cash generation, I think you talked about CapEx starting to migrate back closer to DNA. I just want to kind of confirm that. And then as you look across, I mean, you know, our model has you shaken out around 1.4, 1.5 times levered. At the end of this year, anything in terms of the M&A pipeline that's that we should be thinking about, or would the preferred avenue be kind of dividend and repo as we look into 24 and beyond?

So we're still a little bit above, Gabe, on the capex. So for the quarter, we spent about $76 million. Most of the amount above the DNA, which is about $63 million in the quarter, is really coming from the run-out of the three big projects, primarily the injectables expansion.

And I would say, obviously, you see the growth that we have in pharma. Those are not, we will continue to make sure that we have capacity available, especially in life-saving medicines. We will not expand capacity to get to certain capex numbers, especially in these areas. that go double-digit at the moment.

Yeah, and then I think on your comment on the deleveraging by year end, so we're about 1.6, so we were able to take it down from the 1.8 that we were, and that's primarily due to a really strong cash generation, free cash flow generation in the quarter, which was about $97 million compared to 55 last year in the third quarter. So year-to-date, we're about 124. And again, we're continuing to focus on working capital as well as the, you know, the margin improvement that you've seen in Q3.

Now, with respect to your M&A question, we continue to have an active M&A pipeline and look at opportunities along the lines that we have done before, technologies, geographic opportunities, venturing type investments. So we continue our M&A activity unavailably for every 10 deals you study or work on, maybe one happens. Clearly the high interest rates gives the sponsors a pause, which may help us a little bit because we never look at these high leverage ratios. On the other hand, we also recognize that our cost of capital has gone up with the higher interest rates. So we continue to be a disciplined player in this game.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from Gancham Punjabi from BED. Please go ahead.

Good morning, everybody. You know, on the RX growth at 20% and OTC at 14% and 3Q, you know, at least part of that seems to be driven by new products and related inventory build for products such as Narcan. Can you help us dimensionalize the potential headwind from a volume standpoint as you cycle through the inventory build comparisons? thinking after 2024, or do you not see that as material at this point?

Well, certainly we don't think that we will keep growing at these rates. On the other hand, there is not a day that goes by where we don't pick up personally reports of the non-traditional channels continuing to expand, whether it's school, whether it's communities, if it's fire departments. Yes, the OTC channel has added pipeline fill, but Narcan is increasingly pervasive and we see continued growth there. Plus, given that the nasal delivery route is increasingly seen as an attractive shortcut to the brain if you want, we also see the pipeline continue to fill. So, yes, of course, those double-digit or high double-digit growth rates will not continue, but we also don't see a significant decline or anything like that, but more in line with our pharma growth rates.

Okay, and then for my second question on personal care, which seems awfully weak across the board, Is there a category or customer mix issue that is weighing on this segment for you? And then for fragrance, you know, which the whole supply chain ecosystem has called that as strong, how sustainable do you think this is in context of uneven consumer spending that we're seeing in so many other categories?

Well, it really completes a different dynamic. In personal care, it is predominantly the U.S. stocking issue. And We see that running its course, I have several anecdotes where customers say, hey, you know, we're still fine. Leave us alone. And then the next week they call up and say, oh, my God, we're out of stock for this item. You know, please, we need it tomorrow. That hasn't happened in the past few quarters. It's happening now. So it seems to me that things will return. I think we've said before, certainly in personal care closures, home care closures, we had some share loss. On the other hand, in other categories, we had share gains. But certainly, North America, whether it's personal care home care closures or personal home care that's still accounted for in beauty, has been a challenge for us. On the other hand, what we're signaling from everything we see that will have run its course by the end of the year. On fragrance, it's a completely different dynamic. Fragrance is really driven by launches and then flankers and clearly brands are eager to continue to get their franchises out there. We also have gained some share there and that's without China really getting back into direction and we see that happening also now. So again, we see a normalization of growth but not going the other way.

Thank you.

Our next question is from Daniel Rizzo at Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Good morning. You mentioned the strength in Prestige fragrances. if you have significant exposure to Prestige Beauty and if that's holding up well or it's less exposure or it's just not doing as well as fragrances.

If you're referring to the Prestige Skin Care, we did grow there, but the majority of our growth there came from some tooling sales that we had in the quarter, but overall product sales were still very, very good.

Okay. And then you mentioned that, you know, you're working to close the plant in France and I know it's kind of a process, but I wonder once that process is complete, have you quantified what the savings will be on an annual basis at the end of 24 or 25 or whenever it's complete?

No, we have not. And for the simple reason that that will be detrimental to the negotiation process. So again, this is a, unique in the world as far as I know process that is very demanding on everybody in the process and can only give you the answer once it's done and agreed and signed. The only comfort I would take is as compared to the previous process where you need to negotiate both the future state and the way to get there and the different steps and how you get there is the voluntary process and the treatment and so on. When you close the plant, the future state is not much to be negotiated, so it's more about how you're going to treat the employees. That's why we say we think by mid next year you will see the benefits of that closure. But it's the only closures facility that we have in France.

Thank you very much.

As a reminder, for any further questions, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad now. As we have no further questions on the call, I will hand it back to Mr. Tander to wrap up.

Great. Thanks for your questions. Let me just reiterate, we are for as well as for 2024. Many of the measures we have taken over the past years are now progressively coming to fruition, and you are starting to see them in our results, whether it's the much stronger execution the much more capable and modernized and efficient asset base, growing pipeline, and customers who are returning, it's not being very exciting about our innovation capability. And last but not least, the very vigorous and multi-year systematic cost focus. All of these improvements are behind the improved operating leverage that you see and the double-digit EPS growth trajectory. So as you look into the future, when you think about all the puts and takes, we've talked about some of them, the proprietary drug dispensing systems will continue to grow after a period of double-digit growth, but will remain inside our growth targets for pharma overall to the best of our knowledge. Injectable ERP story, of course, will not repeat. That's up and running, and we see a strong pipeline and a growing capacity in injectables. The active material business, the COVID, difficult COVID comparison is washing out, and we see that business returning to growth. And lastly, in pharma, the digital health business is becoming less of a drag over time. Fragrance will continue to grow. not a double digit, but in line with our beauty overall growth targets and the drag from North America will abate both for beauty and for closures. And let's not forget that the largest market for beauty, China, is recovering and is coming back. At the same time, SG&A is coming down as a percentage of revenue and we're giving you a view on the further cost actions and of course there are additional activities ongoing, boosting our global talent centers, and taking care of cost differentials. With having said all that, I wish everyone, especially in the U.S., a good Thanksgiving, and everybody else a good rest of the year and the relaxing holiday season, and we see all of you on the road. Thank you.

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all very much for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.