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spk00: today's conference is scheduled to begin shortly please continue to stand by thank you for your patience today's conference is scheduled to begin shortly please continue to stand by thank you for your patience Thank you. Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Avista Corporation Q3 2021 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. If you require any further assistance, please press star 0. I would now like to hand the conference over to our speaker today, Stacey Wentz. Please go ahead.
spk01: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Avista's third quarter 2021 earnings conference call. By way of introduction, I have been with Avista since 2009, working in our accounting group. I'm very excited to be taking over from John for my first earnings call, and I look forward to working with all of you in the coming year. Our earnings were released pre-market this morning and are available on our websites. Joining me this morning are Avista Corp President and CEO, Dennis Vermillion, Executive Vice President, Treasurer and CFO, Mark Thies, Senior Vice President, External Affairs, and Chief Customer Officer, Kevin Christie, and Vice President, Controller, and Principal Accounting Officer, Ryan Crossell. I would like to remind everyone that some of the statements that will be made today are forward-looking statements that involve assumptions, risks, and uncertainties, which are subject to change. For reference to the various factors which could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed in today's call, please refer to our 10-K for 2020 and 10-Q for the third quarter of 2021, which are available on our website. To begin this presentation, I would like to recap the financial results presented in today's press release. Our consolidated earnings for the third quarter of 2021 were $0.20 per diluted share compared to $0.07 for the third quarter of 2020. For the year to date, consolidated earnings were $1.38 per diluted share for 2021 compared to $1.04 last year. Now, I'll turn the discussion over to Dennis.
spk14: Well, thank you, Stacey, and welcome to the IR team. Thanks for heading up the team for us. As you heard, this is Stacey's first call today and We're just so happy to have her in this role, and she's gonna be with us at EEI, too, so everybody will have a chance to meet Stacey and get to know Stacey a little bit. So good morning, everyone. I'd like to start our conversation this morning by acknowledging that it's been more than a year and a half since we started this pandemic journey, and unfortunately, looks like we still have a ways to go. We will no doubt face more challenges as we move forward. you know, our region and our nation, you know, we're recovering and rebuilding from this and, you know, we're ready and ready for the challenge. I continue to be extremely proud of our employees and I'm just so grateful for the resolve and resiliency that they've all demonstrated, you know, and the flexibility they've displayed and then the commitment and concern they have for our customers and communities. Just really fantastic and just so proud of our team. I'm confident that no matter what the future brings that we have the team and we have what it takes to manage through whatever the future may bring. Now let me turn to our earnings results at Avista Utilities. Our earnings were above expectations primarily due to the timing of the recognition of income taxes. And over at AEL&P, their earnings remain on track to meet the full-year guidance. And in our other business, we've had a great year so far, and we are pleased with our investments. You know, they produced significant gains in 2021, exceeding expectations. We continue to expect these investments to contribute 5 to 10 cents per diluted share going forward. In regards to regulatory matters during the third quarter, we concluded our Idaho and Washington general rate cases with rates effective September 1 and October 1, respectively. We are pleased with both commissions' support of our ongoing investments in the infrastructure that serves our customers and offers us the opportunity to continue to provide our customers with safe and reliable and affordable energy without immediately impacting customer bills. However, we did not get recovery of certain operating expenses through the Washington general rate cases. In October, we filed our general rate case in Oregon. We have proposed that the increase in base revenues included in the rate case be fully offset for a two-year period with tax customer credits of the same amount, resulting in no impact to customer bills. Early in the first quarter of 2022, we expect to file general rate cases in Washington, both electric and gas. They will be multi-year rate plans as required under the new law, and we will seek to include in rates all capital investments and expected operating expenses through the end of the rate plan period in an effort to earn our allowed return by 2023. In other regulatory filings, we were the first utility to file to file its clean energy implementation plan with the Washington Commission in October. Our plan sets the course for an equitable transition to clean energy and provides a roadmap for specific actions to be taken over the next four years to show the progress we're making towards achieving clean energy goals established by the Clean Energy Transformation Act, or CETA. That plan is available on our website under the Clean Energy Future tab, and there's a good executive summary there if you have interest in checking that out. Focusing back on earnings, we are confirming our consolidated earnings guidance for 2021 and 2023 of $1.96 to $2.16 per diluted share for 2021. and $2.42 to $2.62 per diluted share for 2023. We are lowering our consolidated guidance by $0.10 per diluted share in 2022 to a range of $1.93 to $2.13 per diluted share. So with that, I'll turn this presentation over to Mark.
spk16: Thank you, Dennis. Good morning, everyone, and welcome, Stacy, to the team. We look forward to seeing everybody down at EEI as well and and talking about our company, which we're excited about. For everybody's reference, the Blackhawks are on a one-game winning streak. I can only say that because it's the only game they've won this year. We've had a tough start. But for us at Avista, third quarter has been a good quarter for us. As we mentioned, Avista Utilities is up. We have $0.13 a share compared to $0.08 in the prior years. But this is really primarily due to income taxes and how we record and the timing of such income taxes, and we expect that outperformance to offset in the fourth quarter to back to normal performance for Avista Utilities. The ERM, the Energy Recovery Mechanism in Washington, had a pre-tax expense of $3.8 million in the third quarter compared to a benefit in the prior year. And for the year to date, we've recognized an expense of $7.1 million compared to a benefit of $5.9 million. But when we look at it for the year compared quarter over quarter, Last quarter, we expected for the full year to be a negative $0.08, and we currently expect it to be a negative $0.09. So it's really just a slight move in our expectations over the year. Within the year, we had a big recognition in the quarter, though. For capital expenditures, we continue to be committed to investing the necessary capital, as Dennis mentioned, in our utility infrastructure. We're currently expecting Vista Utilities to spend about $450 million in 2021 and $445 million in 2022 and 2023. to continue to support customer growth and maintain our system to provide safe, reliable energy to our customers. To fund that capital, we expect to issue approximately $140 million of long-term debt and $90 million in equity in 2021. $70 million of the debt has already been issued. We issued that, and also $61 million of the common stock has been issued through September. During 2022, we expect to issue $370 million of long-term debt, which is really covering a $250 million maturity. And then also $90 million of common stock, which will help us fund our capital expenditures and maintain a prudent capital structure. As Dennis mentioned, you know, we are confirming our 21 and 23 guidance, but we're lowering 22. And as we look at it, for lowering 22, there are a few factors. As you mentioned earlier, we didn't get all the recovery. We believe we had a fair order in our Washington rate case and our Idaho rate case, and we had many big projects that Kevin will be able to answer questions on in the order in Washington, but we didn't. So we got our capital, we believe, in a fair way, but we had some operating expenses that we were not allowed to recover. We believe that we'll be able in our next case – in early in the first quarter of 22, and we expect that case to be completed by the end of 22 if the normal timing works. And we believe we'll be able, as Dennis mentioned, to get our capital and our operating expenses for the rate period in that rate case. With respect to our guidance range of VISTA, we expect the VISTA for 21. We expect the VISTA utilities to contribute in the range of $1.83 to $1.97 per diluted share. And primarily due to the impact of the IRM, as I mentioned earlier in my comments, we expect to be down about $0.09. We expect to be near the bottom of the range at Avista Utilities. Our current expectation is to be in a surcharge position in the 90% customer, 10% company band, which is expected to decrease earnings by $0.09. In addition, based on our year-to-date results, we expect to be above the top end of our range. with respect to our other investments. We had, as Dennis mentioned, significant gains. We've had strong performance in our investments that we've been investing for the last several years. A number of different investments, not just one, a number of different investments had positives, and we expect to be above the top end of the range. So when you add that together with AALP matching their expectations, we expect to be near the middle of our range for 2021, including the negative impact of the ERM. For 2022, We are lowering our guidance due to the lower recovery of certain costs, and those costs really included insurance costs, increases in labor as we've seen inflationary pressures impacting labor and other costs, IT costs, and certain coal strip-related costs. Early in the first quarter of 22, we do expect to file our general rate case, and it will, as Dennis mentioned, be a multiyear plan as required by our new law. And we will seek to include all of our capital and projected operating expenses for the plan period to allow us to have the opportunity to earn our allowed return by 2023. As always, our guidance assumes, among other things, timely and appropriate rate relief in all of our jurisdictions, as well as normal operating conditions, and does not include any unusual or non-recurring items until they're known and certain. I'd like to turn the call back to Stacy now.
spk01: Thanks, Mark. Now we will open the call for questions.
spk00: As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. To withdraw your question, press the pound key. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Cody Clark of Bank of America. Your line is open.
spk07: Hey, good morning, everyone.
spk02: Morning, Cody.
spk08: So first, just wondering what gives you confidence in reiterating your 2023 guidance? You're implying 24% growth. year over year, which is a large step up in rates paired with this increasing power supply cost backdrop. So can you provide some color on what sort of rate relief you're assuming in 23? Any specific assumptions there would be helpful, or are you just kind of assuming you would get to your allowed RRE minus structural lag?
spk12: Good morning. This is Kevin Christie. Thanks for the question. I'll start by saying we're, of course, still formulating that case. but it's important to point out that as we formulate the case, we're visiting with the commission and consulting with them as we consider how to best move forward. But we do know we will include all capital in the case from 2021 to 2022, which will bring us up to the rate effective date. And from the rate effective date through the rate period, the two year period, if we do in fact file a two year, we have the requirements, as you might recall from the legislation, to file a two- or three- or four-year rate plan at our election, and we're still analyzing that. We'll take advantage of the legislation that we worked with the Commission and other parties on to formulate the methodology to move from the first year through subsequent years of that rate case. And we will, again, absolutely include all the capital that we have spent in 21, will spend in 22, and what we expect to spend in within the rate effective periods. And we are also including for the legislation an approach that will allow us to properly capture our expenses up into the rate effective period and through those rate periods as well. So we are leaning on the legislation. We think it gives us the opportunity. And if you look back at this last case, the Commission offered good support for our capital as Mark highlighted. And so we think it's very viable, very likely I should rephrase that, it's very possible that the Commission will come along with us with the plan as we optimize or utilize that legislation.
spk08: Okay, but to be clear, so is that assuming some recovery of the operating expenses that were disallowed in this rate case? Is that what is implied with that step-up?
spk12: Let me clear that up a bit. The expenses were not disallowed. They weren't placed into rates yet. We expect to bring the expenses that weren't placed into rates in as well as the items I just described as we look forward.
spk08: Okay, thanks, Kevin. And then next question.
spk16: Cody, one thing to add to that, just one thing to add to that for a little clarity. When we file, which will be early in 2022, that will give you a sense, obviously, of size and what we're looking at. So we're not going to come out with a number – prior to that, well, as Kevin mentioned, we're working on it, but early in 22, we expect a file, so you'll have a number there, and it'll give you a sense, and by the end of 22, we expect it. If the normal timing of 11 months in Washington, you know, goes through, and we expect it to, by the end of 22, we will have, you know, an order or, you know, a clear adjudication of this case.
spk08: Okay, got it. And then you stated that you expect five to ten cents of other contribution going forward. And I think this is a change from prior commentary. I know the game was previously contemplated for 2021, consolidated guidance given a sale of some assets. But to be clear, are you embedding this in 22 and 23? And can you remind us what you were assuming previously for run rate other contribution? I seem to remember that it was break even to 5 cents and increasing over time. But if you could just clear that up, that would be great.
spk16: So I have said I don't remember the exact time I started this statement. I said in three to five years we expected to be five to ten cents of earnings. We're in that period now. So we expect to be five to ten cents in earnings. We've been making investments in a number of different investments on the other category and it's been between 15 and I'll say between 10 and 20 million dollars over the last several years and those investments are starting to mature and produce earnings. We continue to expect to make similar investments as we go forward When we make those investments, we do expect to have earnings. Our expectation going forward is $0.05 to $0.10 in earnings. I don't believe it's a change. We're just moving through the cycle of timing, and we're there now. This was an outperformance. There's no question this year those investments have done significantly better, which is a positive. But that's not always going to be the case, so we want to have a reasonable expectation for our return on capital as we continue to deploy capital in those businesses.
spk08: Okay, thank you. And last one, if I can just sneak it in there. Can you touch on the increased equity needs in 22? What was the driver here as CapEx kind of stayed the same?
spk16: Well, we've been slightly under-equitized. overall not significantly from our regulatory and we're expecting to file a larger case in this next case in a multi-year and we want our capital structure to be appropriate to what's currently allowed which is in Idaho and Oregon 50-50 and in Washington it's 48.5% equity and 51.5% debt and Alaska is separate but it's not overly material So we did have to increase slightly our equity to get to that level. So when we have our case and get to our rate effective period, we are, you know, we are having our cap structure where we are to our currently allowed cap structure. If the commission improved to higher, it would raise additional equity to match that. But, you know, we're just trying to get to our allowed. So it's slightly higher than it has been in the past.
spk08: Okay, that's all I have. Thanks for taking my questions and looking forward to visiting with you all next week.
spk03: Thanks, Cody.
spk00: Again, if you would like to ask a question, you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. Again, that is star 1 on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Richie Ciccarelli of Schoenfeld. Your line is open.
spk10: Hey, good morning. Just following up on Cody's question, just given the other business, you're expecting that to be 5 to 10 cents per year. I guess, what does that imply for utility growth year over year relative to your guidance this year?
spk16: Well, Richie, we haven't come out. We'll come out. When we file our case, we expect to file our next Washington case. early in the first quarter. So in our next call, we've typically given the segment guidance. So we'll follow that history, and we expect to come out with our segment guidance in the first quarter, in our February call. So we've given consolidated guidance going forward to give you a sense of how we're trying to get back to earning our allowed return. We'll come out with our segment guidance for 22 once we file that case, and we'll have more color then.
spk10: Okay, thanks. And then just to be clear, are you still expecting to earn your allowed return in 23?
spk13: Yes.
spk10: Okay. And I guess what does that imply in terms of a step up in rates from 22 to 23?
spk16: Again, we haven't come out with a number in our rate case. When we file our rate case, you'll have a sense of what we're filing for. We always have some offset. The commission doesn't allow everything that we ask for. We have some offset, but we'll need, like Kevin said earlier, we'll need to get the capital and the expenses to that rate effective period or the rate plan period, however we're calling it. I'm not going to give you a number. The number that you see is a significant increase in our earnings per share, over 20%, around 25%. I don't have the exact number right in front of me, but it is an increase in earnings, but we've been under-earning. That gets us back absent, as Cody said, absent structural lag to earning our allowed return.
spk09: Okay, that's helpful. All right, thanks a lot.
spk04: Thanks, Richie.
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spk00: Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Avista Corporation Q3 2021 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. If you require any further assistance, please press star zero. I would now like to hand the conference over to our speaker today, Stacey Wentz. Please go ahead.
spk01: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Avista's third quarter 2021 earnings conference call. By way of introduction, I have been with Avista since 2009, working in our accounting group. I'm very excited to be taking over from John for my first earnings call, and I look forward to working with all of you in the coming year. Our earnings were released pre-market this morning and are available on our website. Joining me this morning are Avista Corp. President and CEO, Dennis Vermillion, Executive Vice President, Treasurer and CFO, Mark Thies, Senior Vice President, External Affairs, and Chief Customer Officer, Kevin Christie, and Vice President, Controller, and Principal Accounting Officer, Ryan Crossell. I would like to remind everyone that some of the statements that will be made today are forward-looking statements that involve assumptions, risks, and uncertainties, which are subject to change. For reference to the various factors which could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed in today's call, please refer to our 10-K for 2020 and 10-Q for the third quarter of 2021, which are available on our website. To begin this presentation, I would like to recap the financial results presented in today's press release. Our consolidated earnings for the third quarter of 2021 were 20 cents per diluted share, compared to 7 cents for the third quarter of 2020. For the year to date, Consolidated earnings were $1.38 per diluted share for 2021 compared to $1.04 last year. Now, I'll turn the discussion over to Dennis.
spk14: Well, thank you, Stacey, and welcome to the IR team. Thanks for heading up the team for us. As you heard, this is Stacey's first call today, and we're just so happy to have her in this role, and she's going to be with us at EEI, too, so everybody will have a chance to to meet Stacey and get to know Stacey a little bit. So good morning, everyone. I'd like to start our conversation this morning by acknowledging that it's been more than a year and a half since we started this pandemic journey and unfortunately, looks like we still have a ways to go. We will no doubt face more challenges as we move forward. You know, our region and our nation, you know, we're recovering and rebuilding from this and you know, we're ready and ready for the challenge. I continue to be extremely proud of our employees, and I'm just so grateful for the resolve and resiliency that they've all demonstrated, you know, and the flexibility they've displayed, and then the commitment and concern they have for our customers and communities, just really fantastic and just so proud of our team. I'm confident that no matter what the future brings, that we have the team and We have what it takes to manage through whatever the future may bring. Now let me turn to our earnings results. At Avista Utilities, our earnings were above expectations, primarily due to the timing of the recognition of income taxes. And over at AEL&P, their earnings remain on track to meet the full year guidance. And at our other business, we've had a great year so far, and we are pleased with our investments. You know, they produced significant gains in 2021, exceeding expectations. We continue to expect these investments to contribute 5 to 10 cents per diluted share going forward. In regards to regulatory matters during the third quarter, we concluded our Idaho and Washington general rate cases with rates effective September 1 and October 1, respectively. We are pleased with both commissions' support of our ongoing investments in the infrastructure that serves our customers and offers us the opportunity to continue to provide our customers with safe and reliable and affordable energy without immediately impacting customer bills. However, we did not get recovery of certain operating expenses through the Washington general rate cases. In October, we filed our general rate case in Oregon we have proposed that the increase in base revenues included in the rate case be fully offset for a two-year period with tax customer credits of the same amount, resulting in no impact to customer bills. Early in the first quarter of 2022, we expect to file general rate cases in Washington, both electric and gas, They will be multi-year rate plans as required under the new law, and we will seek to include in rates all capital investments and expected operating expenses through the end of the rate plan period in an effort to earn our allowed return by 2023. In other regulatory filings, we were the first utility to file its clean energy implementation plan with the Washington Commission in October. Our plan sets the course for an equitable transition to clean energy and provides a roadmap for specific actions to be taken over the next four years to show the progress we're making towards achieving clean energy goals established by the Clean Energy Transformation Act, or CETA. And that plan is available on our website under the Clean Energy Future tab, and there's a good executive summary there if you have interest in checking that out. Focusing back on earnings, we are confirming our consolidated earnings guidance for 2021 and 2023 of $1.96 to $2.16 per diluted share for 2021 and $2.42 to $2.62 per diluted share for 2023. We are lowering our consolidated guidance by $0.10 per diluted share in 2022 to a range of $1.93 to $2.13 per diluted share. So with that, I'll turn this presentation over to Mark.
spk16: Thank you, Dennis. Good morning, everyone, and welcome, Stacy, to the team. We look forward to seeing everybody down at EEI as well and talking about our company, which we're excited about. For everybody's reference, the Blackhawks are on a one-game winning streak. I can only say that because it's the only game they've won this year. We've had a tough start. But for us at Avista, third quarter has been a good quarter for us. As we mentioned, Avista Utilities is up. We have 13 cents a share compared to 8 cents in the prior years. But this is really primarily due to income taxes and how we record and the timing of such income taxes. And we expect that outperformance to offset in the fourth quarter back to normal performance for Avista Utilities. The ERM, the Energy Recovery Mechanism in Washington, had a pre-tax expense of $3.8 million in the third quarter compared to a benefit in the prior year. And for the year to date, we've recognized an expense of $7.1 million compared to a benefit of $5.9 million. But when we look at it for the year compared quarter over quarter, Last quarter, we expected for the full year to be a negative $0.08, and we currently expect it to be a negative $0.09. So it's really just a slight move in our expectations over the year. Within the year, we had a big recognition in the quarter, though. For capital expenditures, we continue to be committed to investing the necessary capital, as Dennis mentioned, in our utility infrastructure. We're currently expecting Vista Utilities to spend about $450 million in 2021 and $445 million in 2022 and 2023. to continue to support customer growth and maintain our system to provide safe, reliable energy to our customers. To fund that capital, we expect to issue approximately $140 million of long-term debt and $90 million in equity in 2021. $70 million of the debt has already been issued. We issued that, and also $61 million of the common stock has been issued through September. During 2022, we expect to issue $370 million of long-term debt, which is really covering a $250 million maturity, and then also $90 million of common stock, which will help us fund our capital expenditures and maintain a prudent capital structure. As Dennis mentioned, we are confirming our 21 and 23 guidance, but we're lowering 22. And as we look at it, for lowering 22, there are a few factors. As you mentioned earlier, we didn't get all the recovery. We believe we had a fair order in our Washington rate case and our Idaho rate case, and we had many big projects that Kevin will be able to answer questions on in the order in Washington, but we didn't. So we got our capital, we believe, in a fair way, but we had some operating expenses that we were not allowed to recover. We believe that we'll be able in our next case, we expect to file our next case, in early in the first quarter of 22. And we expect that case to be completed by the end of 22, if the normal timing works. And we believe we'll be able, as Dennis mentioned, to get our capital and our operating expenses for the rate period in that rate case. With respect to our guidance range of VISTA, we expect a VISTA for 21. We expect a VISTA utilities to contribute in the range of $1.83 to $1.97 per diluted share. And primarily due to the impact of the IRM, as I mentioned earlier in my comments, we expect to be down about $0.09. We expect to be near the bottom of the range at Avista Utilities. Our current expectation is to be in a surcharge position in the 90% customer, 10% company band, which is expected to decrease earnings by $0.09. In addition, based on our year-to-date results, we expect to be above the top end of our range. with respect to our other investments. We had, as Dennis mentioned, significant gains. We've had strong performance in our investments that we've been investing for the last several years. A number of different investments, not just one, a number of different investments had positives, and we expect to be above the top end of the range. So when you add that together with AALP matching their expectations, we expect to be near the middle of our range for 2021, including the negative impact of the ERM. For 2022, You know, we are lowering our guidance due to the lower recovery of certain costs, and those costs really included insurance costs, increases in labor, as we've seen inflationary pressures impacting labor and other costs, IT costs, and certain coal strip-related costs. Early in the first quarter of 22, we do expect to file our general rate case, and it will, as Dennis mentioned, be a multiyear plan as required by our new law. and we will seek to include all of our capital and projected operating expenses for the planned period to allow us to have the opportunity to earn our allowed return by 2023. As always, our guidance assumes, among other things, timely and appropriate rate relief in all of our jurisdictions, as well as normal operating conditions, and does not include any unusual or non-recurring items until they're known and certain. I'd like to turn the call back to Stacy now.
spk01: Thanks, Mark. Now we will open the call for questions.
spk00: As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. To withdraw your question, press the pound key. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Cody Clark of Bank of America. Your line is open.
spk07: Hey, good morning, everyone.
spk02: Morning, Cody. Morning.
spk08: So first, just wondering what gives you confidence in reiterating your 2023 guidance? You're implying 24% growth year over year, which is a large step up in rates paired with this increasing power supply cost backdrop. So can you provide some color on what sort of rate relief you're assuming in 2023? Any specific assumptions there would be helpful, or are you just kind of assuming you would get to your allowed RRE minus structural lag?
spk12: Good morning. This is Kevin Christie. Thanks for the question. I'll start by saying we're, of course, still formulating that case. But it's important to point out that as we formulate the case, we're visiting with the Commission and consulting with them as we consider how to best move forward. But we do know we will include all capital in the case from 2021 to 2022, which will bring us up to the rate effective date. And from the rate effective date through the rate period, the two-year period, if we do, in fact, file a two-year. We have the requirement, as you might recall from the legislation, to file a two- or three- or four-year rate plan at our election, and we're still analyzing that. We'll take advantage of the legislation that we worked with the Commission and other parties on to formulate the methodology to move from the first year through subsequent years of that rate case. And we will, again, absolutely include all the capital that we have spent in 21, will spend in 22, and what we expect to spend within the rate-effective periods. And we are also including, for the legislation, an approach that will allow us to properly capture our expenses up into the rate-effective period and through those rate periods as well. So we are leaning on the legislation. We think it gives us the opportunity. And if you look back at this last case, the commission – offered good support for our capital, as Mark highlighted, and so we think it's very viable, very likely, I should rephrase that, very possible that the Commission will come along with us with the plan as we optimize or utilize that legislation.
spk08: Okay, but to be clear, so is that assuming some recovery of the operating expenses that were disallowed in this rate case? Is that what is implied with that step up?
spk12: Let me clear that up a bit. The expenses were not disallowed. They weren't placed into rates yet. We expect to bring the expenses that weren't placed into rates in as well as the items I just described as we look forward.
spk08: Okay, thanks, Kevin.
spk16: Cody, one thing to add to that, just one thing to add to that for a little clarity. When we file, which will be early in 2022, that will give you a sense, obviously, of size and what we're looking at. So we're not going to come out with a number prior to that. Well, as Kevin mentioned, we're working on it. But early in 22, we expect a file, so you'll have a number there, and it'll give you a sense. And by the end of 22, we expect it. If the normal timing of 11 months in Washington, you know, goes through it, we expect it to. By the end of 22, we will have, you know, an order or, you know, a clear adjudication of this case.
spk08: Okay, got it. And then you stated that you expect five to 10 cents of other contribution going forward. And I think this is a change from prior commentary. I know the game was previously contemplated for 2021 consolidated guidance given a sale of some assets. But to be clear, are you embedding this in 22 and 23? And can you remind us what you were assuming previously for run rate other contribution? I seem to remember that it was break even to $0.05 and increasing over time, but if you could just clear that up, that would be great.
spk16: So I have said I don't remember the exact time I started this statement. I said in three to five years, we expect it to be $0.05 to $0.10 of earnings. We're in that period now. So we expect to be $0.05 to $0.10 in earnings. We've been making investments in a number of different investments on the other category, and it's been between 15 and I'll say between $10 and $20 million over the last several years, and those investments are starting to mature and produce earnings. We continue to expect to make similar investments as we go forward, and so we do expect, you know, when we make those investments, we do expect to have earnings. So our expectation going forward is $0.05 to $0.10 in earnings. I don't believe it's a change. We're just moving through the cycle of timing, and we're there now. This was an outperformance. There's no question this year that those investments have done significantly better, which is a positive. But, you know, that's not always going to be the case. So we want to have a reasonable expectation for our return on capital as we continue to deploy capital in those businesses.
spk08: Okay, thank you. And last one, if I can just sneak it in there. Can you touch on the increased equity needs in 22? What was the driver here as CapEx kind of stayed the same?
spk16: Well, we've been slightly under-equitized overall, not significantly from our regulatory, and we're expecting to file a larger case in this next case in a multi-year, and we want our capital structure to be appropriate to what's currently allowed, which is in Idaho and Oregon 50-50, and in Washington it's 48.5% equity and 51.5% debt. and Alaska is separate, but it's not overly material to that. So we did have to increase slightly our equity to get to that level, so when we have our case and get to our rate-effective period, we are having our cap structure where we are to our currently allowed cap structure. If the Commission approved a higher... We would raise additional equity to match that, but we're just trying to get to our allowance. So it's slightly higher than it has been in the past.
spk08: Okay, that's all I have. Thanks for taking my questions and looking forward to visiting with you all next week.
spk03: Thanks, Cody.
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spk10: Hey, good morning. Just following up on Cody's question, just given the other business, you're expecting that to be 5 to 10 cents per year. I guess, what does that imply for utility growth year-over-year relative to your guidance this year?
spk16: Well, Richie, we haven't come out. We'll come out. When we file our case, we expect to file our next Washington case early in the first quarter. So in our next call, we've typically given the segment guidance. So we'll follow that history, and we expect to come out with our segment guidance in the first quarter, in our February call. So we've given consolidated guidance going forward to give you a sense of how we're trying to get back to earning our allowed return. We'll come out with our segment guidance for 2022. once we file that case and we'll have more color then.
spk10: Okay, thanks. And then just to be clear, are you still expecting to earn your allowed return in 23?
spk13: Yes.
spk10: Okay. And I guess what does that imply in terms of a step up in rates from 22 to 23?
spk16: Again, we haven't come out with a number in our rate case. When we file our rate case, you'll have a sense of what we're filing for. We always have some offset. The Commission doesn't allow everything that we ask for. We have some offset, but we'll need, like Kevin said earlier, we'll need to get the capital and the expenses to that rate effective period or the rate plan period, however we're calling it. So I'm not going to give you a number. The number that you see is a significant increase in our earnings per share. you know, over 20%, around 25%. I don't have the exact number right in front of me, but it is an increase in earnings, but we've been under-earning. That gets us back absent, as Cody said, absent structural lag to earning our allowed return.
spk09: Okay, that's helpful. All right, thanks a lot.
spk04: Thanks, Richie.
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spk01: I want to thank everyone for joining us today. We appreciate your interest in our company, and we look forward to seeing a number of you at EEI. Have a great day.
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