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spk03: Thank you for standing by. Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Boeing Company's second quarter 2022 earnings conference call. Today's call is being recorded. The management discussion and slide presentation, plus the analyst question and answer session, are being broadcast live over the internet. To ask a question on today's conference, please press the digit 1 followed by the digit 0 on your touchtone telephone. Again, it is 1-0 for questions. After pressing 10, you'll hear a tone that you've been placed in queue. Pressing 10 again will take you out of queue and may prevent you from being able to ask a question. At this time, for opening remarks and introductions, I'm turning the call over to Mr. Matt Welch, Vice President of Investor Relations for the Boeing Company. Mr. Welch, please go ahead.
spk00: Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Boeing's second quarter 2022 earnings call. I am Matt Welch, and with me today Boeing's President and Chief Executive Officer, and Brian West, Boeing's Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. And as a reminder, you can follow today's broadcast and slide presentation through our website at Boeing.com. As always, we have provided detailed financial information in our press release issued earlier today. Projections, estimates, and goals we include in our discussions this morning involve risks. including those described in our SEC filings and in the forward-looking statement disclaimer at the end of this web presentation. In addition, we refer you to our earnings release and presentation
spk03: And this is John with AT&T. Please continue.
spk08: Interruption there. Start over? Okay. Sorry, we were muted. It's good to be with all of you. Thanks, Matt, for the intro. I want to start my brief comments up front with just a revisit at the Farnborough Air Show a little over a week ago. It was important for us. It was an emotional outcoming for our company and our people. We always look a little better when we are standing next to our products and the flight teams who are operating them. It was great to see, and I think everyone witnessed, the 777X in flight, which was more than magnificent, the Dash 10 also in flight, and our investment in WISC and its product in the important eVTOL markets. We met with our customers, we met with suppliers, partners, the usual, except it didn't feel like the usual because it had been a while. We're proud of the orders that we collected over the course of that week, over 200 orders and commitments. And importantly, it covered the whole line, the 737 MAX, R87, and the 777X. And it shows the extent to which our airline customers are already anticipating fleet renewal projects and their willingness to bet forward on that prospect. Needless to say, they're all as busy as they can be trying to get their own fleets up and running and the supply constraints they face dealt with. Looking at the quarter, a lot of things good happened over the quarter. We are on the verge of returning to the 8-7 delivery process. I won't give a date. I never have. That's up to the FAA. But we've been working closely with our customers and the regulator on those final steps. We're proud of our team. We're proud for the discipline and the detailed work they applied over this long course. And it'll be worth it. In the end, we'll have a predictable and high-quality line, and our customers will be pleased with the products. And a reminder to everyone that this 87 fleet that's out there has been working harder than it's ever worked, and it's been performing incredibly well. Turning to the MAX, again, one airplane at a time, the fleet is performing incredibly well, oftentimes exceeding the specification and expectations our customers had when they originally placed their orders. And we continue to work hard on predictability of the delivery chain. And we're focused mostly on the engine supply lines and then those second-tier constraints that those engine suppliers are facing. And I think we've made an awful lot of progress on that front. Brian will give you sort of our best guess at how this year turns out with respect to those deliveries. But it's now, I think, based on far better knowledge of what those supply constraints are and commitments from our supply side. side engine suppliers. In BDS, I don't want to skip over the Starliner. It was important. It was an emotional up for all of us at Boeing to get back on track. We had a wet dress for the Space Launch System rocket, the biggest rocket yet. We're looking forward to that launch. So we had a good sort of engineering coming out with respect to those achievements. And yes, we're still working through some of the challenging macro environment issues, especially with respect to our fixed price development contracts. And Brian will also walk you through that. And finally, on the services side, like pretty much everyone that's been reporting, it is coming back and it's coming back in a rapid way. Our commercial service business was up 30%. It carries strong margins with it and so is a big and important contributor to our overall cash flow story. And again, the result of all of this work, a big step forward with respect to stability, we did get to cash flow, operating cash flow positive. So that puts us a little bit ahead of our internal plan and we feel good about that. And we are still committed to be cash flow positive for the calendar year 2022. It's underpinned by a very strong commercial market. I think you all know that. Everyone has spoke to it. A lot of supply constraints out there with respect to the operators of our airplanes, the airlines, and what they've got to do to get the fleets running efficiently and build their capacity where it needs to be. But they are out there in the market trying to rebuild their fleets for the future and to meet that significant demand. And so far, we have not seen any drawback on that demand. While we understand the sort of recession fears that are growing out there, so far it has not impacted the aviation industry or our customers. So mostly what we're focused on, and I don't think it will surprise anyone, and I think I've heard it in most of my peers' reports, is the supply chain, stabilizing it, making sure that it's predictable and consistent, and And for us in particular, with respect to the commercial side of our business, it relates to engine production, engine availability, so that we can predictably deliver airplanes to our customers. We think we've made an awful lot of progress on that front. I know you've heard directly from the engine suppliers. They are making progress, and we've adjusted all of our delivery rate expectations, at least in the near term, to satisfy those constraints. A comment quickly on regulatory and geopolitical. I'll start with geopolitical China. The good news is that because of the strong demand in the marketplace, we've been able to manage our risk going forward with respect to the airplanes that we have built and are awaiting delivery. We intend to stand by our Chinese airlines, stand by the CAAC, and get those airplanes back. But the timing, which has been pushed and deferred, in light of some of the COVID management issues in China and some of that geopolitical overhang, we can suffer our way through that and will. And it should not impact the cash flow positive posture that we've taken for the year. So it's a little easier to manage for us. It's no less important. And we will continue to encourage our administration to to work as closely as they can with the Chinese to reopen the trade corridor with respect to aviation, a relationship we've enjoyed for over 50 years, and we'll continue to support our customers. Medium and long term, it does represent the difference between commercial airspace leadership or not, given the size and scale of the China market. And then on the regulatory front, we are working constructively with the FAA. We have our heads down. We're working towards certification by year end on the dash 7 and the dash 10. And we believe what we're working on is, in fact, the safe option with respect to all options in the narrow body space. And so we're going to just keep plugging away. And anyway, that's enough said. As we navigate through this environment, stability is the watchword for all of us. We want to be predictable. We think that will differentiate us, and that's why we're focused on it. We continue to increase our investment in research programs. The readiness program with respect to the next big commercial airplane, all the digital modeling tools that are required to be ready for that, we continue to invest aggressively in. And we continue to enhance those underlying digital technologies that we will bring ultimately to the services market as well. Safety, quality, transparency, these are the values, and this is what we remain focused on. So before I turn it over to Brian, the MAX, it's on track, and it's performing for customers in many cases exceeding expectations. We think we're through the most difficult parts of COVID-19. Starliner, a pivotal and emotional test for the Boeing company, and we feel good about it, and we're ready for the crewed flight. Global Services, on its way back in a big way, we feel terrific about their progress. And now we are at the detailed moment to get ready for 787 deliveries, a moment we've been waiting for, and we look and feel as though we're on the verge of doing so. So we've taken a long view. We continue to take a long view, and we do believe we're in the middle of a turnaround, and it's beginning to show itself. So with that, I'll end my opening comments and turn it over to Brian.
spk09: Thank you, Dave. Good morning, everyone. This was an important quarter. We made good progress on key programs in a pretty dynamic macro environment affected by inflation, labor availability, and supply chain constraints. all of which impacted both us and the industry. Despite these challenges, we improved our quarter over quarter cash performance and importantly generated positive operating cash flow. Cash was driven by higher commercial delivery volume, as well as order activity and advanced payment timing. This keeps us on track to generate positive free cash flow for the year and higher cash flows in 2023. We still think about our performance in three parts and remain confident about the trajectory. First, as Dave mentioned, we've made progress on key milestones. We're nearing a return for the eight seven and are preparing airplanes for delivery. We continue to focus on three seven production stability of 31 maxes per month. And we've de-risked China from our near term delivery profile. Next, As we see continued progress on these programs, we anticipate improvement in our performance metrics, including deliveries, revenue, margin, and cash flow in the back half of the year. We also expect cash flow benefits from order activity and favorable receipt timing over the next two quarters. Finally, our financial performance should start to accelerate into 2023. Going forward, there is a significant opportunity for our company to return to sustainable growth, and we look forward to sharing our plans at our investor day on November 1st and 2nd. Before getting into the financials, I want to make a few points on the current business environment on slide three. Demand for commercial airplanes is strong, especially in the freighter market. We've seen cargo traffic increase from 2019 levels, largely driven by e-commerce and the efficiency of air freight. With more than 90% share of the freighter market, our lineup is well positioned to capture continued growth. On the passenger side, traffic has recovered significantly, but it's still well below where it's been historically relative to global GDP. As airlines are currently in the middle of the summer high season, operational and supply constraints are becoming the pacing item for air traffic growth and the markets leading the recovery. That said, the commercial traffic recovery is accelerating, and passenger traffic has reached its highest point since 2019 in both North America and Europe. Domestic traffic remains relatively stable at 77% of 2019 levels as of May. While China still lags significantly, we saw some improvements in flight operations in June as travel restrictions lifted. Excluding China, domestic traffic was over 90%, 2019 levels. International traffic is gaining momentum at 64 percent of 2019, up from just 48 percent in March, especially in regional markets such as intra-Europe, transatlantic, and U.S.-Mexico, as well as notable improvements via the Middle East and in some parts of Asia. Overall, our commercial passenger market recovery expectations are in line with what we've shared previously. we still see overall passenger traffic returning to 2019 levels in the 2023 to 2024 timeframe. Taking all of this into consideration, we recently released our 2022 Commercial Market Outlook, which forecasts a total addressable market valued at more than $3.3 trillion over the next decade and demand for nearly 20,000 airplanes. The forecast closely aligns to what we laid out last year and reflects the market's continued recovery. More specifically, we anticipate demand for more than 14,000 narrowbodies or over 120 per month on average over the next 10 years. From a 20-year perspective, we project demand for more than 41,000 new airplanes, including 940 dedicated freighters. We are very confident in our product lineup, which is well-suited to capture this long-term demand and we feel very good about last week with over 200 orders and commitments at Farnborough. We appreciate the trust and confidence our customers are placing in us. Our services business also continues to benefit from growing commercial fleet and strong cargo markets, with several Boeing converted freighter and materials management agreements recently announced. Over the next 10 years, we see a $3.3 trillion service market that aligns well with our broad customer-focused portfolio of offerings. In defense and space, we see solid long-term markets, both domestically and internationally. In the United States, there's support for increased defense spending in Congress to meet the challenges of today. Internationally, many of our fellow NATO members, partners, and allies have announced plans for increased spending on national defense, and we look forward to more specifics around these priorities. Turning to the supply chain, we continue to experience real constraints. We're taking action to mitigate risk in a number of areas, including engines, raw materials, and semiconductors. To stabilize production and support our supply chain, we're increasing our onsite presence at suppliers, creating teams of experts to address industry-wide shortages, utilizing internal fabrication for surge capacity, and managing inventory safety stock levels and growing where needed. With that backdrop, let's turn to the financials on slide four. Second quarter revenue of $16.7 billion declined 2%, and we generated $0.5 billion of core operating earnings. After accounting for interest expense and taxes, we had a core loss per share of 37 cents. Operating cash flow was positive $0.1 billion in line with our expectations and an improvement from the same period last year. Let's move to commercial airplanes on slide five. Second quarter revenue was $6.2 billion of 3%, primarily driven by higher 3.7 deliveries, partially offset by lower 8.7 deliveries. Operating losses of $0.2 billion and the resulting negative margin rate reflect abnormal costs and period expenses, including higher R&D expense as we continue to invest in the business. On the 8-7 program, we're very close to resuming deliveries. We're renting airplanes together with our customers and have completed flight checks on the initial airplanes. As always, we will follow the lead of the FAA on the specific timing. We have 120 airplanes in inventory and are making progress completing the necessary rework to prepare them for delivery. As stated last quarter, we're producing at very low rates and will continue to do so until deliveries resume, gradually returning to five airplanes per month over time. Similar to the 3-7 program, the supply chain remains a key watch item for 8-7 production and deliveries. We recorded $283 million of 8 abnormal costs in line with expectations, and we still anticipate a total of about $2 billion, with most being incurred by the end of 2023. These costs are driven by rework and production rates below five per month. It is important to keep in mind that cash margins on the 8 remained positive and are expected to improve significantly over time. However, as we deliver the first few 8-7 airplanes, you may see some variability in cash payments as we compensate customers for delays. The 8-7 continues to be the most utilized wide-body airplane due to its operational efficiency and flexibility. With over 400 airplanes in backlog, recent orders and commitments announced at Farnborough, and additional demand as the commercial market recovers, we see a strong future for the 8-7 program. Moving on to the 3.7 program, we've delivered 189 airplanes year-to-date, below our original expectations due to three things. Supply chain disruptions, slow time of taking airplanes out of storage, and timing of deliveries to Chinese customers. We don't anticipate making up those deliveries in the back half of the year, and we'll continue to experience monthly variability, including a light month in July. We now expect delivery to be closer to the low 400s for 2022, short of what we discussed earlier this year as we drive stability and predictability. We ended the quarter with 290 max airplanes in inventory, of which roughly half are designated for customers in China. Given this uncertainty with our customers in China, we now expect more deliveries of airplanes from inventory to shift into 2024. Due to overall progress on MAX production, we did not book abnormal costs in the quarter. Additionally, we've reached agreement on over 95% of our MAX customer consideration liability. Shifting to the 7779 program, our status is largely unchanged from what we shared last quarter. We still anticipate delivery of the first 7779 airplane in 2025, and continue to coordinate with the FAA to prioritize resources across our development programs. We booked $102 million of 777 abnormal costs in the second quarter, in line with our expectations, and we still expect to record $1.5 billion of these costs through 2023, while 777-9 production remains paused. Turning to overall demand at BCA, During the quarter, we booked 184 commercial airplane orders, including 169 orders for the 737 MAX. At the end of the second quarter, we had over 4,200 airplanes backlog, valued at $297 billion. Let's now move on to defense, space, and security on slide six. Second quarter revenue was $6.2 billion, down 10%. driven by lower volume and operational performance. Operating margin was 1.1%, driven by approximately $400 million of charges on fixed-price development programs, most notably $147 million on MQ-25 and $93 million on commercial crew. This total also includes relatively small cost growth on the T7A, Tanker, and VC25B with no one program impacted by more than about $50 million, and the drivers were largely supply chain impact and inflation. All of this will be outlined in the queue. We also saw these same pressures across a few of the mature programs. While this performance was disappointing, we're making progress narrowing our development risk profile and remain confident over the long term. We received $2 billion in orders during the quarter, and BDS backlog was $55 billion. Additionally, the Chinook helicopter has been selected to bring heavy lift capability to the German military. We also achieved important milestones across the portfolio. NASA's Space Launch System completed the wet dress rehearsal, and the KC-46A tanker is now certified to refuel 97% of the military's air-refuelable fleet. Let's now turn to global services results on slide seven. The global services team celebrated its fifth anniversary this month and continues to perform well, especially in our parts and commercial training businesses. We're encouraged by the overall momentum. Second quarter revenue was $4.3 billion, up 6%, and operating margin was 16.9%. Results were driven by higher commercial services volume, now nearly back to pre-pandemic levels and favorable mix. We also discontinued an engine distribution agreement in the quarter, which will impact our government service revenue profile going forward. We received $4 billion in orders during the quarter, including a contract for airlift flight dispatch services for the US Air Force, and a contract for avionics upgrades and cybersecurity support for the US Navy. The BGS backlog is $19 billion. With strong support for our defense business and our highly valid commercial capabilities, our services business is poised for growth as the commercial market continues to recover. Now let's turn to slide eight to cover cash and debt. We ended the second quarter with strong liquidity comprised of $11.4 billion of cash and marketable securities on the balance sheet and access to $14.7 billion across our bank credit facilities, which remain undrawn. Our debt balance decreased slightly from the end of the last quarter to $57.2 billion driven by repayment of maturing debt. Our investment grade credit rating is a priority and we remain committed to reducing debt levels to strong cash flow generation over time. As far as the rest of the year is concerned, we still anticipate 2022 total company revenue to be higher than last year, primarily driven by higher commercial airplane deliveries on the 37 and 87 programs, and growth in our services business partially offset by lower defense revenue. Looking into 2023, we expect total company revenue growth from this year. BCA revenues plan to be higher again on 3.7 and 8.7 deliveries. The demand outlook for the defense business remains steady, and we expect 2023 revenue to be better than 2022 as the business stabilizes. While we forecast BGS revenue to continue to grow next year, the growth rate will be tempered as we are nearly back to pre-pandemic levels. Turning to cash. we still expect to generate positive free cash flow this year. And the key drivers of second half improvement are higher 3.7 and 8.7 delivery volume, orders and advance payments, BDS receipts, as well as favorable expenditure timing. As we look to 2023, we still expect cash flow will be higher than 2022, and we plan to share more details in November. Overall, our performance is tied to several key items. Supply chain production system and delivery stability. 3.7 and 8.7 delivery ramp. Successful execution and certification of development programs. The commercial market recovery and the macroeconomic environment. While our progress depends on some factors beyond our control, we'll remain focused on our own performance and taking the right actions to drive stability and predictability and growth in the future. Taking a step back, this business and our team have come a long way over the last few years. We've seen our fair share of challenges, and more hurdles still remain, but we're making progress. Demand for our product is strong, we're investing in our future, and our people are demonstrating exceptional commitment. With that, over to Dave for closing comments.
spk08: Yeah, I'll keep them brief. We do believe we're in the middle of a momentum shift. We're all anxious and looking forward to delivery of our important airplane, the 787. Again, a reminder of how well it is performing in the field, and therefore this delivery stream is critically important to our customers. So I'll leave it with that and turn it over to Q&A.
spk00: Yeah, thanks, Dave. Before we start the Q&A, as I noted at the beginning of this call, we have provided detailed financial information in our press release issued earlier today. Projections, estimates, and goals we include in our discussions this morning involve risks, including those described in our SEC filings and in the disclaimer at the end of this web presentation. Please also refer to those materials for reconciliation of certain non-GAAP measures. With that, as Dave said, we're now prepared to take your questions.
spk03: Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, in order that your question be clearly heard, we ask that you not use a speakerphone, cell phone, or phone headset. Please use your handset to ask a question. If you're on a speakerphone, please be sure your mute function is switched off so your signal can reach our equipment. As a reminder, in the interest of time, we are asking that you limit yourself to one single part question. Our first question comes from Doug Harned with Bernstein. Please go ahead.
spk06: Thank you. Good morning. Morning, Doug. Morning. When you look to this year and are looking at positive free cash flow for the year, it appears to really depend heavily on two things, the delivery restart of the 787 and the deliveries for the ramp and deliveries for the MAX, which you're now saying you're going to get to the low 400s on this. If you look at those two parts, I mean, the 787, could you describe on that one what gives you confidence now that you are so close? We've heard things before, optimism about a near restart, but... This appears to be much more imminent now, I would guess, even though I know you're not going to try and predict the FAA's timing. So that's on the 787. And when you go over to the max, you've taken that number down into the low 400s. Can you talk about what you need out of that max profile to be on this positive cash flow timing? And then what's the split between stored and new production? So a lot of things there, but all in that positive free cash flow objective.
spk08: Yeah, Doug, so why don't I start with 8-7 predictability. So like we said and like you acknowledged, we can't give you a date, but what we do track is all the work and the issues that the both teams have wrestled with over this time. And we are approaching closure on all of that. The number of documents, the number of analyses, the number of sign-offs has progressed at a fairly rapid rate here toward the close. So we see that documentation phase, which has been a lion's share of the phase, as closing relatively soon. And then, therefore, the readiness of airplanes, which we have been working on at exactly the same moments simultaneously, has also been in shape to the point where customers are climbing around the airplanes and making certain that they are also ready for delivery and acceptance. So all that's coming together and yes, the FAA remains in control, but there's just enough workload on sort of both fronts, readiness of the airplane and the documentation and certification requirement that we just feel like we're on the verge and are reasonably confident in that front. So that's why I feel different this time. And I will acknowledge, Doug, that we have felt like it was a near term in previous periods, but not with the same level of due diligence that I feel now. On the max delivery front, let me turn it over to Brian. He's got all the numbers.
spk09: Yeah, so thanks, Doug. So the low 400s, we think the balance of the year will satisfy the cash flow requirements to do their fair share of that total picture. So we think that's pretty well aligned. In terms of what's coming out of inventory versus the production line, our biggest objective on both fronts is to do both in a stable manner. And as you can see from our numbers, we've been doing about 10-ish out of storage this last quarter. We continue to get a little bit better on that front. So that's something that we're going to work hard on as we turn the corner in the second half of the year. So both are very important in doing both. And a stable predictable banner gets to that low 400s for the year. I will also indicate there's three really other important levers of the cash flows in the back half as abridged from the first half. You mentioned the big two, the 3.7 and the 8.7 deliveries. But there's also going to be favorability timing from BDS receipts that will work to our favor. There will be favorability of expense timing that will accrue to us. And there will be higher order activity in advance payments, particularly driven by the 777 adjustments that we made last quarter. Remember, we added metal wing capacity and the launch of the 777X freighter version. And all of those benefits are going to manifest themselves in helping the cash trajectory in the second half versus the first half. So... Those are the big pieces that we think about. Okay, very good. Thank you.
spk03: Next, we'll go to Rob Spingarn with Mellius Research. Please go ahead.
spk10: Hey, good morning. Hi, Rob. Dave, you opened with the supply chain and the troubles there, and I have a specific supply chain question and something more general on rates. Given your engine background from GE, how do we solve this casting shortfall that's now plagued the industry twice in recent years, both now and I want to say around 2018? Is this a short-term cyclical issue or is there a greater structural problem? So that's the first question. The second question, Brian touched on 23 and the significance of the MAX and the 8.7 ramp. I wanted to see if you could boundary the MAX production rate on the low and high end perhaps with the trajectory, perhaps with and without China?
spk08: So let me discuss the engine related. It is a very important issue to be resolved, and it is not yet resolved. that structural casting part of the puzzle. You may recall two or three meetings ago at this, I acknowledged that would eventually be the issue, and of course it is. So that capacity is limited. It's not just about money. It's qualification. It's one of the toughest components inside the supply chain to ultimately get to a qualified status. as well as just the sheer physical capacity to do it. So I do think we all have to moderate our rates to make sure that we are ahead of that. And I do think the work that we've done, unfortunately, our choice not to move up to 38 here as soon as we had originally predicted is honestly based on that constraint. Um, but I do believe we're at a state now where at 31, um, we're comfortable the industry can get there, um, and maybe have already gotten there. Um, and then we're going to watch as they qualify more capacity going forward, um, to make before, before we pull those rates up. So, um, is it medium and long-term? Um, somehow, some way that constraint in my view in the next three to five years has to get solved itself. Um, some investment has to get made and capacity has to expand for the engine suppliers to keep up with what I believe will be continued robust demand. So that may not be a satisfactory answer, but that is the reality of the world I've lived in for the last 20 years. And then with respect to the other parts of the question, I'll flip it over to Brian again.
spk09: Yeah, for rate, production rate, I wouldn't worry about China. As Dave has continually talked about, we enjoy a pretty robust demand market. And the China delivery and when that happens is separate from our ability to move rate given the other demand in the marketplace. So I separate those two. It's not a pacing item.
spk10: What does the trajectory look like? for max production? So Dave just talked about 38. Do we know when that's going to happen?
spk08: No, I'll answer that. The answer is I don't know when that will happen. Stability at 31 and then confidence that engine suppliers will have their castings in order and can predict a steady delivery at 38, that will then initiate us to say now it's 38. I don't want to get ahead of ourselves. Stability for me is still job one, and that's what we'll stay focused on. Do I think it will be better next year? Yeah, but I don't know exactly when, and I don't want to get ahead of myself.
spk10: Okay. Thank you.
spk08: Yep.
spk03: Next, we'll go to Sheila Kayalu with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
spk04: Good morning, Dave and Ben. Maybe if we could talk about commercial profitability. If we strip out the abnormal costs on the 8-7 as well as the 777, you're at 2.3% operating margins in the quarter with an average of 33 maxes produced or delivered. How do we think about how margins come back as maybe the 787 comes in, the supply chain pressures alleviate? How should we look on for the step up of commercial operating margins. Thanks.
spk09: Yeah. So in the short term, it'll be a little bumpy as we start to roll out the eight sevens and continue to get confidence in our stability in the three sevens. But over time, when we get to a point where both are stable and operating where we expect them to, you know, the margin rates are going to go up. I can't predict the number, I won't predict the number, but they are going to get better and better because we are going to be more predictably and in a stable fashion be able to deliver on both fronts. Anyway.
spk04: Okay. All right. Thank you very much.
spk03: And next we'll go to Noah Popanek with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
spk01: Hi. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Noah. I'm just going to circle back to this max delivery discussion because it's a bit confusing. Depending on how you define low 400, if I subtract the first half from that and divide by six, it suggests the delivery pace would slow compared to what you did in June. And that's with a higher production rate, so it suggests the inventory unwind is slowing. So why would that happen? And then just on this underlying rate, I mean, any supplier we talk to says they're kind of ready to go and just waiting for direction from you that they're not getting. You know, the leasing companies are saying there's a narrow body shortage. You have a competitor at a much higher rate. Is your answer to Rob's question that it's just purely forgings and castings and otherwise you'd be higher? It's a little hard to square the circle on all of those inputs.
spk08: before Brian gets in the it's never about any supplier it's about one or two that surprise you one way or the other and with respect to medium or longer term rate increases or changes yeah it does actually get down to that engine supplier and it does get down to those castings so we have to be confident that they are ready and that we can count on those deliveries so Anyway, that is the world we live in now.
spk09: You know, June, we're proud of the 43 that we were able to deliver. I want to caution everyone, as you remember, April was 28, May was 29. I just indicated that July is going to be a little light. So I don't want us to get ahead of ourselves in terms of, you know, taking the June rate and extrapolating it. That would be a mistake. Month in and month out, we're aiming at stability around 31. Some months might be a little lower. Some months might be a little higher. When we look at the whole balance to go and the things we're watching, you know, we feel comfortable in that low 400 number. And hopefully it will be better. But that's right now we're squaring to.
spk01: How much lead time do you feel like you need to give the broader supply chain to break to that next higher rate, whenever that is?
spk08: Well, first of all, we're doing our very best to be transparent, and we are always informing them when we get close. How much lead time... I don't know, three or four months if it's a formal designation. But I think they're all, like you said, I think a lot are prepared to get to those higher rates. But we need a few specific ones to be ready to get to those higher rates. And I'm sorry to keep coming back to that, but, you know, that's really where it is. I think we have our eye squarely focused on the constraint that matters the most, And as that plays out, you'll probably know as fast as I do, and then we'll let that go to the rest of the market. I think the rest of the market will respond quickly.
spk01: Okay. Helpful. Thank you. I appreciate it.
spk03: Yep. Thanks, Noah. And next we'll go to David Strauss with Barclays. Please go ahead.
spk02: Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, David. Dave, Brian, I wanted to see if you could – you know tell us how many roughly Matt or sorry 787 deliveries you're assuming for the rest year because it's pretty hard to kind of bridge to the positive free cash flow for the year without assuming a fair amount of 787 deliveries in the last five months that's my first question the second question you know you've talked about a meaningful improvement in free cash flow in 23 and I just wanted to see if you could put some bounds around that. Are we talking a couple billion dollars, or are we talking, you know, the consensus right now is showing a $7 billion improvement in free cash flow next year. I wanted to see if that's within the realm of reason. Thanks.
spk09: Yeah, sure. So your last question, can't wait for November to be able to give you more detail around that, and we'll wait until November. And then on your question on the 8-7 number, You know, we're not going to give a number on that front. We want to get to one. And we're really excited to get to one as fast as we can. And once that plays out, we'll get more visibility. But it's a little too early to quantify that. Clearly, we've got an expectation that we're going to liquidate some 8-7s over the course of the second half. But I'm just a little cautious to stick a number out there.
spk02: All right. Quick follow-up. Dave... The IG audit that's going on with the FAA and the change in leadership there, you don't think that potentially holds up the 8-7 at all?
spk08: I do not. I do not, and I've also asked that question many times, so I think we're in a good place. Again, I'm going to follow up just quickly with Brian's comment. We're not playing a game. We are working as hard as we can to get to stability in a tough environment. We chose that November meeting as a moment to sort of say, okay, where are we on stability? What is the framework for cash flow over the course of the next year? We're looking forward to that day and that meeting, and I think at that moment in time, a lot of these variables will have resolved themselves, and we can give you a much clearer view of what the future looks like.
spk02: Thanks very much. Yep.
spk03: And next question from Seth Seifman with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
spk13: Thanks very much and good morning. I guess, Brian, when we look at the advance balance of $52 billion, I think it's higher than it was at the end of 2018 when rates were significantly higher. And it sounds like you're telling us that that balance is going to be even higher still, but perhaps significantly by December 31. You know, Does that ever come down at some point? How do we kind of think about where that goes from here? And, Dave, when you say having some visibility on some of these big questions at the November meeting, does that include potentially max deliveries into China?
spk09: So that balance did come down this quarter, and we do expect it to come down. It will. It will be the excess PDP burndown that will come down, but it gets offset by the benefit of incoming PDPs and order receipts, and we love that, right? That's a lever of our business that accrues to us, and the more we do that, the more we've got airplanes going and commitments and orders to our customers. But overall, the trajectory will have to fall quarter in, quarter out. It's hard to peg because of that accretive offset.
spk13: But if you had in your model at some point like a requirement that there had to be some kind of, you know, $10-plus billion reduction in this balance at some point over time, is that just an incorrect understanding of how this all works?
spk09: Well, I'm not going to comment on $10 billion. I do know that there has to be the burndown of the excess, and that will happen over time. And we do our best to try to isolate that in terms of our projections. On the other hand, the benefits of order volume is something that we benefit from as well. So it has been flattish over the last several quarters. It's been taking small chunks down, and we expected it continue to come down, but I can't call an order magnitude of a $10 billion drop the way you're suggesting. There's just too many dynamics in there, and I'm reluctant to make those kind of statements.
spk08: And then with respect to China in November, I will give you the update. You will probably be as up to speed every week between now and then as I am, because it does require a bit of a thawing and geopolitical break between China and the U.S. So, at any rate, in the meantime, we do deliver airplanes occasionally to China based on pure need, and those are mostly wide bodies and mostly cargo.
spk13: Great. Thank you very much.
spk08: Yep.
spk03: Next, we'll go to Kai von Römer with Cowan. Please go ahead.
spk11: Yes. Thank you so much. So, It looks like you produced on average 24 737s in the second quarter. How comfortable are you that you can kind of sustain an average of 31 per month? Because I know that you pause when you have to, even though the indicated line rate is 31. And secondly, if you can, should we estimate your production plus taking 10 or 12 out of inventory to kind of get to what we assume for the production rate in the second half?
spk09: So I'll take the second part of that. I think that reliably month in, month out, we'll aim at 31. You know, anywhere from 8, 10, 12 is the range on liquidity from inventory. It could be in that kind of mix, and that gets you to the low 400s for the total year, is the way I would think about it. I don't think the pieces go much below eight on the coming from inventory, and I probably don't think we do better than 12 on any given month, but we will modulate between that and the production rates as we go into the back half of the year.
spk08: And again, the average of 31 with respect to production is a clear objective of ours. Anything short of that will be disappointing. Our real objective, though, is to make that a stable rate each of the months. And we're not there yet. So be careful to extrapolate any one month.
spk11: And you've made the point that demand is so strong. What will you have to see to make the decision to raise the rate from 31 per month?
spk08: I'm going to get back to earlier questions. If I thought I had an engine supply, I'd do it today.
spk05: Yesterday.
spk03: Thank you.
spk05: Yep.
spk03: And next, we'll go to the line of Christine Leeweg with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
spk05: Thanks. Good morning, guys.
spk03: Good morning.
spk05: Dave, on the supply chain, how much will your mitigating actions cost in terms of higher labor costs or investments for internal fabrication or maybe even working capital for buffer stock? And also, as a follow-up on the engine discussion earlier, What can you do to encourage investment casting suppliers to invest?
spk08: Well, I've been trying to encourage them for a very, very long time. Honestly, I think it's going to be, as is always the case, they're going to increase their margins. My guess is it'll be considerable. I don't know all their contract timings and all their relationships with our engine suppliers, but you know how hard they're going to be working. And when those margins get to a point where everyone believes it's worth investing a significant amount of money, that's what they'll do. And I suspect that day will come. And I will encourage the industry in that way. And they're going to have to believe in our demand forecast, which so far, I think we've been highly credible with respect to the long-term demand forecast for airplanes. So On all those readiness questions and investments, you're right to ask the question because we've said to everybody, if you're in pursuit of predictability, then you have to invest in all those buffer stocks and you have to stay ahead of this curve in every way that we possibly can. And I'd say it's... marginally more investment intensive, but not enough to honestly make that big a difference for us going forward, especially when you compare it to our investment in finished goods inventory, which right now is at a bit of an all-time high. And I will also, we haven't talked about it, just mentioned to everybody that While none of us like how we got here, if you are faced with a bunch of supply constraints as a market over the next couple of years, having over 400 airplanes that are finished at your fingertips, and yeah, they're hard to get out and get ready and back into the marketplace, is a pretty good buffer in and of itself and allows us to exercise confidence a little extra discipline on the stability front as we begin to march up that curve over the next 18 months. So anyway, I don't want that to get lost as a buffer overall.
spk05: Thanks, Dave.
spk03: Yep. And next we have a line of Rich Safran with Seaport Research Partners. Please go ahead.
spk07: Dave, Brian, Matt, good morning. Good morning. I'd like to shift the topic to defense for just a minute. your comments about stable global demand. Could you offer a comment on international demand in general for defense equipment? And maybe in your answer, also comment about additional demand for your tanker programs, the 46 and MQ-25. And the reason why I'm asking this is I believe both these programs had quite aspirations for international sales. So I thought maybe you'd comment on that as well. Thanks.
spk08: Yeah, no, I appreciate the question. And, you know, we've been bullish on international opportunities. I am more bullish now than I was when I even began. And I was, again, I was optimistic there. And it is because of the world we see in front of us. It does take a couple of years to take the threats that are out there that manifest themselves into real orders and sort of long commitments. And I... But I suspect that's the way this world will turn here in the next couple of years. We had some early shore indications from those closest to the conflict. You know, our Chinook victory here came faster than maybe we would imagine. Why? Because our customer is right next to the front. So I am optimistic on the program specifically that you called out. They might be on the leading edge of that demand curve. But it's not going to happen in the next six months. It'll take us probably a year to get to where that demand begins to manifest into real orders. Okay, thank you. Yeah, thanks.
spk03: And we'll go to George Shapiro with Shapiro Research. Please go ahead.
spk12: Thanks for the time. Dave, I'm trying to figure out where all this strong demand is coming from because the way I look at it, air show orders were the weakest since 2009 for both you and Airbus. You were better, obviously, but still weakest since 2016. If domestic traffic returns to 2019 in 2023, then the same number of planes should be needed. Yet, unless retirements really pick up to a level never before we've seen at 5% of the fleet versus the current 1.3, there's going to be 2,000 more planes than needed out there. So if you can kind of just reconcile where all the demand's coming from.
spk08: Well, there are an awful lot of irons in the fire. And like you, I I try to compare and contrast how many irons in the fire now versus where they were certainly in the COVID period, significantly hotter. But even in that prior 19 world pandemic, There's just a lot of irons in the fire, and there's already a concern about supply constraints. So you know what that mix ends up doing. And then I will just add to that puzzle, you know the sustainability constraints. And while you may be skeptical, and maybe I am too, about renewal or taking airplanes out of service, I think that day is on us. And I think that's going to be real in the years ahead. You'd be surprised at how many of the orders, particularly in the mature markets like Europe, et cetera, where that is the discussion more than any other, which is we need to improve the sustainability performance of our fleets. Otherwise, we're going to lose ground. You know, I will point, if you don't mind, to a tool we introduced at the show called Cascade, which is a measure of emissions for every airplane every day for everybody. And it's meant to be an open tool for the industry to use to think about policy changes and all those things that are going to incent the renewal of fleets and the improvement on this front. That tool is a tool that we'll show you in our November meeting, and it's one I hope you'll use because I do think that changes. I do think that changes that rate of retirement in a pretty big way.
spk12: Yeah. Because, I mean, you really got to get a level we've never seen before to get these 2,000 planes out. And, I mean, if I even just look at Delta and your recent order with Delta, they're not taking the MAX-10 until 2025. Right now, they've got 65 planes that are over 25 years old.
spk08: Yeah, no, exactly. But those 25-year-olds, I believe the pressure on this will not subside. It'll grow and policies will get written. I think our trick here, honestly, speaking for the industry for a moment, and as you get familiar with the tool that I'm referring to and think about this, our trick is to make sure that policy with respect to the environmental and sustainability performance of the aviation fleet does not get so far ahead of the industry that it stops the music. We've seen that happen in the energy world a little bit. I don't want to see that happen in the aviation world. So that's why this tool is important to us. Incent the retirement of some of the old, less efficient airplanes. And yes, that's good for us and good for the industry. But also educate the policymakers so they don't get so far ahead that it begins to constrain the industry's growth.
spk12: And how do you think increasing recession concerns affect this? You would think there would be less retirements then.
spk08: Well, so far, I'm not sure I can draw the correlation all the way to retirement, but I This general recession thing so far hasn't impacted our aviation industry. Well, at some moment, maybe. Price elasticity has been remarkable as I look at things, and demand for air travel, I think, has been prioritized fundamentally to a higher slot in the consumer's list of priorities. Anyway, I'm not smart enough to draw a perfect line between one and the other, but I believe that the retirement world is going to change in a pretty big way.
spk12: Okay. Thanks very much for the call.
spk00: Yeah. Thank you. All right. Thank you, everyone, for joining us this morning. This completes our second quarter 2022 earnings call.
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