speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to BBVA Argentina's 4th Q25 and Fiscal Year 2025 Results Conference Call. Today with us are Mrs. Belen Forcade, Investor Relations Manager, Diego Cesarini, IRO, and Mrs. Carmen Murillo, CFO, who will be available for the Q&A session. This presentation and the 4Q25 earnings release are available on BBVA's Investor Relations website, ir.bbva.com.ar, and will also be available for download in the chat. First of all, let me point out that some of the statements made during this conference call may be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the safe harbor provisions found in Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 under U.S. federal securities law. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning these factors is contained in BBVA Argentina's annual report on Form 20F for the fiscal year 2024, filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. During the company's presentation, all microphones will be disabled. At this time, we are going to open it up for questions and answers. If you have a question, please write it down in the Q&A section or click on Raise Hand for audio questions. You will then receive a request to activate your microphone. Please activate it and pick up your headset to provide optimum sound quality when posing your question. I will now turn the call over to Mrs. Berlin for a cave. Please go ahead.

speaker
Belen Forcade
Investor Relations Manager

Good morning and thank you all for joining us today. After a third quarter that was marked by political instability, with its consequent monetary and exchange rate tensions, the results of the midterm legislative elections reaffirmed support for the government's fiscal reform and order policy. This translated into a rapid normalization of financial variables, which returned to pre-event levels. PEB Argentina continues to consolidate its growth strategy, reflecting its commitment to being a key player in Argentina's recovery of activity. This was achieved despite a year ultimately marked by interest rate volatility in the second half and a progressive deterioration of credit quality within specific segments of the retail portfolio. In this line, on December 22nd, 2025, the bank secured a credit line of up to $150 million from the International Finance Corporation. These funds allow VEBA to expand its financing capacity for small and medium-sized enterprises, thereby reaffirming its commitment to the productive sector. PDBA Argentina's non-performing loan ratio on credit loans reached 4.18% as of December 2025, a figure that remains below the system average of 5.29% for the same period. The bank stands out for having consistently lower delinquency ratios than the sector average, which reflects the quality of its credit risk management and its prudent approach to portfolio originations. Before diving into numbers, it is important to mention that on December 10, 2025, the transaction through which BEB Argentina acquired 50% of the share capital of FSA Compañía Financiera has been closed. This had a 1 billion peso impact in the P&L, and all balance sheet figures include FSA, including loans and deposits. Nonetheless, market shares expressed in this report and on this call do not include FFA, as the consolidation was made as of the last day of December. Moving to slides 2 to 5 of the webcast presentation, I will now comment on the bank's fourth quarter 2025 and 2025 fiscal year financial results. Previous Argentina's inflation-adjusted net income in 2025 was 267.4 billion pesos. decreasing 43.2% versus 2024. This implies an accumulated ROE of 7.3%, an accumulated ROE of 1.1%. The ROE or decline in results is mainly explained by the deterioration of long-loss allowances in a context of high delinquency ratios in the financial system. Also, in spite of observing a 29.4% lower net interest income as a result of lower interest rates and inflation, this should be considered in comparison to lower losses from the net monetary position, which more than offset the lower NII. It is worth noting the 36.9% increase in net free income, thanks to a proactive approach in improvements, and also in foreign currency and gold gains, the latter explained by an increase in activity after the partial lift in FX controls on April 14, 2025. In the fourth quarter of 2025, net income was 59.3 billion pesos, increasing 44.5% quarter over quarter. This implied a quarterly ROE of 6.5% and a quarterly ROE of 0.9%. Quarterly results remained explained by higher income along with lower expenses. Increase in income is mainly due to, one, better net interest income, and two, an increase in results from breakdown of assets at amortized costs and OCI. The latter due to the sale of bonds classified in the OCI model. Expenses improved mainly on the side of personal expenses and administrative expenses. These were negatively offset by, one, loan loss allowances, two, an increase in operating expenses mainly due to turnover tax, and three, lower net free income in the quarter. Net income from the net monetary position was 32% higher quarter over quarter, explained by a higher quarterly inflation. Net interest income in the quarter was 758.9 billion pesos, increasing 20.2% quarter over quarter. After the uncertainty surrounding the midterm elections wore off, average market interest rates declined. With liabilities repricing at a faster pace than assets, we observed the reverse effect from the one seen in the third quarter of 2025. with income from public securities and loans increasing, and expenses from funding increasing, but to a much lower extent. In the year, net interest income decreased 29.4%, as mentioned before, more than offset by the lower losses on the side of the net results from the net monetary position. Loan loss allowances increased 31.3% in the quarter, and 181.2% accumulated year over year. explained by the deterioration of non-performing loans, in particular on the retail book, which implied higher provision. The effect of loan loss allowances can be observed in the evolution of the cost of risk, which reached 8.11% in the fourth quarter of 2025 and 5.54% on an annual basis. During 2025, personal and administrative expenses decreased by 11% and 12.6% respectively. This was achieved thanks to the active pursuit of efficiencies during the year. During the fourth quarter of 2025 in particular, total operating expenses were of 537.5 billion pesos. remaining stable quarter over quarter. Both the efficiency ratio as well as the fee-to-expenses ratio evidence the stability and improvements that are taking place on these lines of the income statement, and we expect them to improve even further for 2026. Going on to slides 6 and 7, private sector loans as of the fourth quarter of 2025 totaled 14.8 trillion pesos, increasing 7.6% in real terms quarter over quarter and 47.6% year over year. In the quarter, growth was mainly driven by an increase in loans in pesos. In total currency, the products that increased the most were mostly commercial loans, such as financing of projects and exports and discounted instruments. On the peso portfolio, discounted instruments, pledge loans and credit cards stood out. Pledge loans are mainly affected by introduction of FSA into the loan book. In the case of consumer loans, prudency policies taken in a context of higher deterioration of non-performing loans were noticeable on this line, with a 2.2% quarter-over-quarter decline. BV Argentina's consolidated market share of private sector loans reached 11.91% as of the fourth quarter of 2025, improving 64 basis points from 11.27% a year ago. As for asset quality, the NPL ratio of BVA Argentina on private loans reached 4.18% as of December of 2025. As mentioned before, BVA is renowned for presenting the liquidity ratios consistently below the sector average, which reflects the quality of its credit risk management and its prudent approach to portfolio origination. By the end of 2025, total gross loans and after financing over deposit ratio was 88%, above the 78% in December 2024. Participation of total loans over assets is 57%, the highest since 2020, and above the 51% recovery in 2024. As of the fourth quarter of 2025, the total NIM was 17.5%, higher than the 15.2% in the third quarter of 2025 and below the 20.2% in the fourth quarter of 2024. While the NIM in pesos increased by 277 basis points to 20.2% quarter over quarter, the NIM in dollars fell 91 basis points to 4.8%. In the quarter, the increase in NIM is mainly explained by a better yield on public securities and loans in pesos, while the drop in dollar NIM is explained by a higher volume and rate of interest-bearing liabilities. In the accumulated annual comparison, although the total NIM presents a considerable drop, it should be understood that this is a consequence of the rapid decrease in inflation and therefore the level of rates, and is more than offset by the lower cost of inflation adjustments. This can be seen in the adjusted noon, which dropped from 17.30% to 13.75%. On the funding side, as of the fourth quarter of 2025, total private deposits reached 16.7 trillion pesos, increasing 3.1% quarter-over-quarter and 29.7% year-over-year. The bank's consolidated market share of private deposits as of the fourth quarter of 2025 reached 10.04%, from 8.60% a year ago. Private non-financial sector deposits in pesos totaled 10.5 trillion pesos, a decrease of 1.4% quarter-over-quarter, explained by a decrease in time deposits and in other deposits, including interest-bearing checking accounts. This effect was partially offset by an increase in savings accounts. Private non-financial sector deposits in foreign currency expressed in pesos increased by 11.6% quarter-over-quarter. This is mainly due to an increase in savings accounts and in-time deposits. In hard currency, US dollar loans increased 12.7% quarter-over-quarter and 26.6% year-over-year. As of the fourth quarter of 2025, capital ratio reached 18.3%. The quarterly increase in the ratio was due to a 9.4% increase in common equity tier 1. mainly impacted by the recovery in the value of government bonds at fair value through OCI. Public sector exposure excluding central bank totaled 3.9 trillion pesos, implying a 15.5% exposure below the 16.4% recorded in the third quarter of 2025 and 17.9% in the fourth quarter of 2024. For the year, the drop in exposure is mainly explained by the increase in assets, led by the growth of loans over that of financial instruments. It is important to highlight that more than 90% of the national treasury's public debt portfolio in pesos is at tamar floating rate. These bonds represent approximately 65% of the bank's sovereign portfolio, and in the context of higher real interest rates in the second half of the year added value to the financial margin. In the quarter, the liquidity ratio reached a level of 44.2%. The liquidity ratio in local and foreign currency reached 37.7% and 55.2% respectively. In line with our commitment of generating value for our shareholders, the bank continued the payment of dividends corresponding to the 2024 fiscal year in 10 installments, having paid 9 of the 10 installments required by the central bank's regulation up to the date of this report. This concludes our prepared remarks. We will now take your questions. Operator, please open the line for questions.

speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

We are now going to start the Q&A session for investors and analysts. To ask a question, please click on Raise Hand for audio questions. You will then receive a request to activate your microphone. Please pick up your headset to provide optimum sound quality. Our first question comes from Tito Labarta with Goldman Sachs.

speaker
Tito Labarta
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi, good morning. Thank you for the call and taking my question. I guess my main question is really on asset quality and how that continues to evolve and what that can mean for loan growth for 2026. You know, we kind of expected already that you're still not out of the credit cycle. But, you know, it seems provisions jumped a bit more than expected. MPLs went up a bit. I mean, do you still think 1Q, 2Q should be the worst of it? Do you think that can get delayed and the credit cycle can last a bit longer? I just want to understand how comfortable you feel on credit quality stabilizing and potentially improving. And what could that mean for loan growth? You have pretty good loan growth in the quarter, but is there some risk to your ability to grow loans if credit quality does not improve? Thank you.

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

Hi, Tito. Good morning. Hi, everyone. This is Carmen Morillo. Thank you for your question. Related to asset quality growth and, yeah, we think that these are the main questions for this year. So, first of all, I would like to highlight that during 2025 we have been able to gain market share. in a quite solid way. This 11.91% market share, that means 60 basic points increase in market share is quite solid. And in terms of credit risk, we've been under the system ratios. Having said that, we believe that first quarter will be also a tough one. But from then on, what we believe is that credit indicators should go downwards. So for us, the peak should be in the first quarter in terms of MPS for sure and in terms of cost of risk also. In terms of growth, maybe it's too soon to answer this question. What we believe is that depending on what the financial system growth is, what we still believe is that we are, so our strategy is to gain market share. So we see the credits in the system growing around 18% in real terms. so we should be growing above that so our guidance was to grow between 25 and 30 percent for the 2026 and we think it's too early to change our guidance so we would maintain these figures so yeah around so to grow faster than the system and also in terms of deposits so we We believe that our strategy is the good one in that sense. We've been growing also in deposits during 2025. We've been able to gain, to have a better participation in the transactionality of our clients. And in that sense, we will be also beating the system in deposits. I hope I would have answered your question. Thank you.

speaker
Tito Labarta
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Yeah, no, that's helpful, Carmen. Thank you for that. I guess, how do you think that then translates to profitability for 2026? I mean, do you think you can achieve a double-digit ROE? Can you start getting to, like, the low teens by the end of the year? Or does that also get delayed a bit and, you know, we could see some pressure on profitability? Thank you.

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

Okay, so I think we have been very consistent in our guidance in terms of ROE. We were talking about long-term meetings for the last quarters. As I mentioned, and all of you know, the environment is not so easy to predict, but we think it's early to change this guidance. So we are confident we will be able to achieve a better profitability than the one we have done this year, which, by the way, is much better than the systems one and other peers. So we are happy with that performance in relative terms. Of course, we have faced a lot of difficulties this year, and I think the year is a very positive one in this environment. For next year, we hope to be above, so low to meet teams, too early to say anything, low or new things that very early uh we should be uh achieving this role okay great thank you very much you're welcome our next question comes from brian flores with sichi hi carmen i'm team thank you for for the opportunity

speaker
Brian Flores
Analyst, Citi

uh carmen i wanted to maybe expand a bit on deposits because i think you your micro share gains were very relevant you were above the double digit maybe for the first time in some time so so i think it's a very important point just wanted to to see your your strategy right because i think given the conditions that are very tight maybe the competition for for funding intensifies you know so just wanted to to ask you what's your strategy here and how do you prevent maybe a spike in the cost of funding?

speaker
Diego Cesarini
Investor Relations Officer

Hi Brian, this is Diego Cesarini. I will take this question. Well, it's true, we have been growing on deposits much faster than the system. Last year we grew 32% in real terms, while the system grew around 12%, so our gains in market share have been huge. Here, we have been working on many fronts. On one side, we have seen a recovery on retail deposits, You know, retail junk deposits, for example, represented a couple of years ago, before Millet took over, and before the 2023 presidential elections, represented around 30% of our deposits in pesos. And after a year and a half, they just represented 10%. Last year, we started to see a recovery in the investors' appetite for bringing that kind of deposit. So we put a lot of focus on trying to make them grow faster. Now they represent around 15%. We have also been very active on companies, on SMEs, deposits. We were out of that market a couple of years ago because we didn't need that funding. So we are back on that market. putting a lot of aggressive targets to our work in our commercial forces. And we have also succeeded a lot in growing very fast on SMEs deposits. And the last, I guess that the last leg of this strategy are wholesale deposits. Institutions, as you know, they still represent a huge amount of Argentinian markets. And again, two years ago, we didn't need those deposits. After we started growing, well, we were going for them again. So we are on every front. And of course, in dollar deposits, we have also been growing market share. We are also active on that market. And we still think that we have room to keep growing there.

speaker
Brian Flores
Analyst, Citi

oh thank you super clear and then a follow-up on ditto's question just to summarize basically your envisioning growth as carmen was saying 25 to 30 in real terms i don't know if you could elaborate a bit on on the composition because i know you're a bit more on the commercial side in terms of the mix right um the deposits do you think they grow above or in line with loans ROE, you mentioned already, maybe low double digits. And then I have another question on asset quality. Do you think cost of risk could be, at some point, maybe at the end of 2026, closer to the end of 2024, which is closer to the 5% rather than the 7% we know?

speaker
Diego Cesarini
Investor Relations Officer

Starting with your... Starting with your latest questions, yes, we think that by the end of this year it could be reaching the 24 levels. Of course, it will start at levels that are similar to the end of last year. as Carmen said before. And regarding the composition of our portfolio, I think that maybe in general terms, it will be similar to the one that we have right now. But of course, at the beginning of the year, probably during the first semester, we will be much more focused on big corporations because, well, for obvious reasons, the retail market is still not So probably consumer loans or credit card loans could suffer a little during the first part of the year, and probably in the second semester, things would return to normality.

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

Yeah, the point is when the situation in the retail side is safe enough to come back to credit cards and personal loans and all that, But having said that, we will be in mortgages, in pledge loans. So in the retail side, we see these products as the main ones in our strategy at the beginning of the year. Then, of course, as the situation gets better, we will be back in all in our products as we used to to be and in the commercial side we are not expecting a higher deterioration and that's why we think we will maintain as we always mentioned in the mix we have nowadays.

speaker
Brian Flores
Analyst, Citi

Super clear and on the positive just to clarify do you expect to grow above or below the low growth

speaker
Diego Cesarini
Investor Relations Officer

Over below what?

speaker
Brian Flores
Analyst, Citi

The loan growth.

speaker
Diego Cesarini
Investor Relations Officer

No? No, I guess that below loan growth. On the system? Yes, above the system probably, but below loan growth. Just because, well, of course, equity also grows. There are other liabilities that also grow. So we need to grow less in percentage terms in deposits than in loans. That's just mathematics, but... As I said before, we still think that we have room to grow. Even if deposits were behaving not so good this year, we still are liquid. We still have bonds in excess. We have a public sector portfolio in excess of what we need to comply with reserve requirements. So we still could use some liquidity in order to keep growing.

speaker
Brian Flores
Analyst, Citi

Perfect. So if we think of, let's say, a 20% real terms in deposits, that makes sense, right?

speaker
Diego Cesarini
Investor Relations Officer

Yes, between 15 and 20 could make sense in a scenario where we grow in lows between 25 and 30. Super, thank you Tim.

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

And in both cases gaining, so the strategy is to gain market share. So it will depend on what the system does.

speaker
Brian Flores
Analyst, Citi

Perfect, thank you. You're welcome.

speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

Next question from Carlos Gomez Lopez with HSBC.

speaker
Carlos Gomez Lopez
Analyst, HSBC

Hello, Carmen, Diego, Belén. First, congratulations on the good result and the gains in market share, which is what you wanted to achieve, and the stability of the results. So to ask a few things which are different. First, the dividend for 2025, do you expect it to be able to pay in a single or a discrete number of payments, or will you still have these 10 different payments that you have had in 2024? And what level of payment are you thinking of doing? Second, on taxes, when you look at the last three years, you've been paying about 34% on average over the last three years. Is that a level that you expect for the future, or should we go back to the statutory rate around 30%? And finally, can you give us an update about when we might move away from inflation accounting? Is that 2028 or do we have to wait longer? Thank you.

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

Hi, Carlos. Thank you for your words. then related to your question so first one was dividends so we still don't know what so how are we gonna be able to pay the the the dividend so i don't have uh an answer on on that question so we believe we we need to have information in the following so in the yeah yeah during march i would say so we will know that soon related to the amount So this capital ratio of 18.3% 2025, as I mentioned, we want to grow. for the next years, so we prefer to pay a small, so we will be paying dividend, but it will be something similar to what we did last year. So to maintain a lower payout ratio and grow faster.

speaker
Carlos Gomez Lopez
Analyst, HSBC

Then your second question. Taxes and inflation. By the way, what was the payout in the end last year? Sorry?

speaker
Diego Cesarini
Investor Relations Officer

The payout last year was around 25% of our 2024 net income. That was last year's dividend.

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

Then inflation. A couple of months ago we were thinking about 2027, so by the end of 2027 to be the end of this adjustment. Now we changed a little bit our projections of inflation. So I think it would be prudent to say that 2028 should be the year to go out of this adjustment. It will be, yeah, end 2027, beginning of 2028, something like that.

speaker
Diego Cesarini
Investor Relations Officer

Just to add additional information, according to the FX regulation that is in place, we could access, in theory, to the official FX market to pay dividends this year. Yes, right.

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

Okay. And then in terms of taxes you were asking, so I don't see a reason why they should come back to other percentages, but I don't have here the information, so let me take a look at that and come back to you. Yes. So I believe we should be at that level. So if we see something else, I will come to you.

speaker
Carlos Gomez Lopez
Analyst, HSBC

So that level meaning the 30% statutory? Because as I said, this year almost every quarter you have had 34% to 41% in my numbers. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

No, I mean 35%. So around 35%.

speaker
Carlos Gomez Lopez
Analyst, HSBC

Around 35%. 35%. Okay. Thank you.

speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

Next question from Pedro of with Latin Securities.

speaker
Pedro
Analyst, Latin Securities

Hello, Tim. Thank you for taking my question. Wanted to ask on cost. How should we think about personnel and administrative expenses during this year?

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

Hi, Pedro. Thank you for your question. This year meaning 2026, I believe? Yes. So, the improvement we've seen during this year, we believe we will be also improving in 2026, so the trend should continue. not only in terms of being quite aggressive in not growing in expenses, but also due to our better net interest margin from fees and commissions and so on. So the efficiency ratio should go downwards.

speaker
Pedro
Analyst, Latin Securities

Okay. Do you have a target on the efficiency ratio for the year?

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

40, around 46%.

speaker
Pedro
Analyst, Latin Securities

Okay, perfect. Thank you.

speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

You're welcome. Our next question comes from Marcus Seru with Alaria. Marcus, you can open your microphone. I believe you're having some technical issues. We're going to go ahead with the next person in the queue, which is Mathias Cataruzzi with ADCAP.

speaker
Mathias Cataruzzi
Analyst, ADCAP

Hi. Good afternoon. How's everyone? I have a question about the, as we've seen in the first quarter, dollar liquidity in the system is improving, and government is signaling to probably changing regulation in dollar lending. to non-dollar-producing clients. How do you see Debar in this field? Do you intend to lend in USD to non-dollar-producing clients? And which sectors do you think would be best?

speaker
Diego Cesarini
Investor Relations Officer

Hi, Matias. This is Diego. First of all, I would like to say that in the case of BBVA, we are pretty comfortable with the amount of lending we are producing in dollars right now with the current regulation. We are growing. We have a lot of demand in our pipeline, so if you ask me, by the end of this quarter, even if we are growing lots in deposits and other kinds of dollar funding, we would really be short of liquidity. We are gaining market share in loans, and everything is being done under current regulations, so we are not in the need of a change in this regulation. Having said this, if regulation changes and opens to more sectors, of course we have to evaluate very carefully the sectors. It's difficult to establish a general policy because we all have in mind what happened in Argentina 25 years ago where dollar lending was open for anyone. that kind of unhatch are very difficult to manage in case of devaluation. So this is basically our view of the situation. If the regulation changes, we will analyze if there are any sectors specifically or special cases where we can relax a little our policy. But I think that the most important is that we are really lending at full with the current policy. Right now, we don't need a change in our case. We don't need a change in regulation. Besides, when you look at the loan-to-deposit ratios in foreign currency, you will see that in our case, right now it's around 55, probably will be 60% in a couple of months. But then reserve requirements are really high in this currency, around 23%. We also have to keep some bank notes in our branches. We have faced – of course, it's public information that we have faced – banks have faced very sudden and deep runs on our deposits many years ago, so we still have to be very careful regarding our customers' behaviors in this kind of deposit. We still have to keep important amounts of liquidity in dollar terms. Of course, the central bank cannot lend dollars to banks in case of need. So this is our approach to this subject.

speaker
Mathias Cataruzzi
Analyst, ADCAP

Okay, thank you. And a follow-up question. Do you have a guidance in net interest margin for 2020 SEIFs?

speaker
Diego Cesarini
Investor Relations Officer

We do not have formal guidance on net interest margin, but... We think that we like to measure this indicator in real terms, you know, because, of course, if you compare 2024 to 2025, the net interest margin fell, but, of course, because inflation fell and interest rates also decreased very sharply. But on the other side of our balance sheet, in our net income, you see that the cost of inflation also decreases a lot. So we have to see this. in net terms. In general terms, we have seen that last year we didn't lose, we didn't lose margin. It was, our net margins was similar to the previous year. And for next year, for 2026, we are seeing a similar situation. We are probably, our net interest margin will fall a little in real terms, that would be upset by growth in activity. So this is not an issue for now for the bank.

speaker
Mathias Cataruzzi
Analyst, ADCAP

Great. Thank you so much.

speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

Our next question comes from Marcus Seru with Alaria.

speaker
Marcus Seru
Analyst, Alaria

Sorry, I was having trouble with my microphone before. I wanted to ask in first place about personal expenses. How is it? explain the decrease in this quarter while headcount has increased and then about your guidance i wanted to know if you could share the assumptions behind that guidance about inflation gdp growth in 2026 and defects and the last one is Do you know about how much of the growth in loans and deposits is in pesos and in dollars? Thank you.

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

Okay. Thank you, Marcos, for the questions. Related to the first one, personal expenses, yeah, so there's some provisions we decided to return, and that's why you see this is true, that you see a different evolution between headcount and expenses. So it's a one-off. This is the short answer for that.

speaker
Diego Cesarini
Investor Relations Officer

and then related to the guidance i think regarding inflation we are expecting right now our research department is expecting a 22 percent regarding gdp three percent growth and regarding effects around 17 1 700 um and regarding the the mixing growth in loans and vessels and dollars We are still expecting dollar loans to grow a little above peso loans. You know, dollar loans right now represent around 23% of our book. Probably that will reach 25%, 27%. So dollar growth should be around 40% probably in real terms or a little more.

speaker
Marcus Seru
Analyst, Alaria

Okay, thank you. Just one question. So, do you think that the personal expenses charge of this quarter can be adjusted by inflation in order to project the followings? Or which number could be a normalized number?

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

I'm not sure if I get your question right. Marco, sorry.

speaker
Marcus Seru
Analyst, Alaria

If you think that the personal expenses charge of this quarter, in order to project it, will it grow as inflation grows, or which growth do you expect for that charge?

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

So I would say that you, so first, efficiency rate is going to be lower than this year, and second, the growth in expenses as a whole, should be very linked to inflation. So with this couple of... Okay. Okay?

speaker
Marcus Seru
Analyst, Alaria

Thank you. Thank you very much.

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

You're welcome.

speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

Our next question comes from Brian Flores with Citi.

speaker
Brian Flores
Analyst, Citi

Hi, Tim. Thank you for Taking the question, I just wanted to ask you, because everyone, I think not only you, but other peers have been mentioning about the potential recovery of the consumer. I just wanted to ask you, in your view, what are the catalysts here for us to see a recovery and also for them to start, as you mentioned, recovering not only in the demand of credit, but also maybe on deposits. I think that would be great, Colin. Thank you.

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

So thank you for the question. So the short answer should be so interest rates need to be stable and lower. That's one issue which is important. And the other one is the micro, the stability. So macro policies are going in the right direction and we believe this is in the right path But we still need to see what happens with the companies, with the retail, with the salaries in real terms. So it's more complicated than only interest rates. So we believe something else needs to be happening in the country to go back to consumer loans.

speaker
Brian Flores
Analyst, Citi

Thank you, Carmen. Anything on the regulatory side that you think could really help on either side, either supply or demand of credit?

speaker
Diego Cesarini
Investor Relations Officer

A lot of the NAD regulations have already been addressed, but of course everybody is aware that last year central bank monetary policy was very restrictive. Our reserve requirements skyrocketed. So I think that probably we will need some flexibility on that side from central bank in order to keep growing, and we think that that will come with time. I think that right now, of course, inflation has gone a little above the expected levels, but once that issue is again under track, I think that central bank is going to act and start to be less frustrated. I think that's the main issue right now.

speaker
Brian Flores
Analyst, Citi

Thank you Tim.

speaker
Carlos Gomez Lopez
Analyst, HSBC

Welcome.

speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

Next question from Ignacio with University and Bolsa. You can open your microphone. Ignacio, you can open your microphone.

speaker
Ignacio
Analyst, Universidad y Bolsa

Do you hear me?

speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

Yes.

speaker
Ignacio
Analyst, Universidad y Bolsa

Okay. Hi, Carmen, Diego. Well, my question was regarding reserve requirements, but Diego just answered that. So, if you are expecting or seeing the central bank lowering those, you mentioned that it will depend on the evolution of inflation. So, Sorry, it was already answered.

speaker
Diego Cesarini
Investor Relations Officer

Yes, I can elaborate a little more. Let me tell you that in the case of reserve requirements, what Central Bank did last year, they raised, of course, these levels, but we can comply those requirements in bonds, so it doesn't represent a cost for our NIM. It's not affecting our net income, of course, but, of course, we need those funds in order to keep growing in loans if there is enough demand. Besides that, we are asking for a little more flexibility because, you know, last August we had to comply with those requirements on a daily basis. That was, from the operational side, it was very difficult for us. They have relaxed somewhat those daily requirements, but still there are some minor issues that we think that should be addressed. We are asking, but that doesn't have really an impact on net income. So that's the general view on the subject.

speaker
Ignacio
Analyst, Universidad y Bolsa

Okay, thank you. Diego, one more question. Do you think that wallets and fintechs that, well, banks already won the battle of salaries and being deposited in banks, but do you think that they will eventually strike back to potentially reverse that?

speaker
Diego Cesarini
Investor Relations Officer

Anything can happen, but I think that the main issue is that The biggest one, Ricardo Palo, has already asked for a banking license. So we should guess that in any time in the future they will get that banking license and they will be able to offer the product. So we need to be ready. Our products need to be competitive and have a good user experience in order to be in a good position to sell. to keep our share. We've been growing on wallets here, on payroll share. We have around 15% of the total market. So, we have been growing consistently through the past years. So, I think that we have a good offer for our customers. Okay.

speaker
Ignacio
Analyst, Universidad y Bolsa

Thank you very much. You're welcome.

speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. The Q&A session is over, and now I would like to pass the word back to BBVA's team for final remarks.

speaker
Carmen Morillo
CFO

Thank you. Thank you all for attending the conference. And just to highlight that despite the challenge of the environment we've been going through this year, we believe BBVA Argentina has proven resilience and effective management in the year. So credit growth and non-performing loans levels below the system average and a very solid position in solvency and liquidity are the key issues of our strategy, and we are committed to keep growing in the following quarters and to maintain our efficiency.

speaker
Operator
Conference Call Operator

and generate profitability for our shareholders thank you this does conclude today's presentation you may now disconnect and have a nice day

Disclaimer

This conference call transcript was computer generated and almost certianly contains errors. This transcript is provided for information purposes only.EarningsCall, LLC makes no representation about the accuracy of the aforementioned transcript, and you are cautioned not to place undue reliance on the information provided by the transcript.

-

-