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spk00: Thank you for standing by. My name is Krista and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Bloom Energy first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question during that time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. And if you'd like to withdraw that question, again, press star 1. Thank you. I will now turn the conference over to Ed Vallejo, Head of Investor Relations. Ed, you may begin your conference.
spk03: Thank you, and good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for joining us for Bloom Energy's first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. To supplement this conference call, we furnished our first quarter 2024 earnings press release with the SEC on Form 8K and have posted it, along with supplemental financial information that we will reference throughout this call to our investor relations website. During this conference call, both in our prepared remarks and in answers to your questions, we may make forward-looking statements that represent our expectations regarding future events and our future financial performance. These include statements about the company's business results, products, new markets, strategy, financial position, liquidity, and full year outlook for 2024. These statements are predictions based upon our expectations, estimates, and assumptions. However, as these statements deal with future events, they are subject to numerous known and unknown risks and uncertainties as discussed in detail in our documents filed with the SEC, including our most recently filed forms 10-K and 10-Q. We assume no obligation to revise any forward-looking statements made on today's call. During this call and in our first quarter 2024 earnings press release, we referred to GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. The non-GAAP financial measures are not prepared in accordance with U.S. generally accepted accounting principles and are in addition to and not a substitute for or superior to measures of financial performance prepared in accordance with GAAP. A reconciliation between the GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures is included in our first quarter 2024 earnings press release available on our investor relations website. Joining me on the call today are K.R. Schroeder, Founder, Chairman, and Chief Executive Officer, Greg Cameron, our outgoing President and Chief Financial Officer, and Dan Berenbaum, our incoming Chief Financial Officer. K.R. will begin with an overview of our business, and then Greg will review the operating and financial highlights of the quarter, and Dan will review outlook for the year. And after our prepared remarks, we will have time to take your questions. I will now turn the call over to Kaos.
spk16: Hello everyone and thanks for joining us today. We had a good start to the year and we are seeing strong market interest, increasing momentum and robust commercial activity across diverse end markets. Q1 results are as I expected. Importantly, our strong operational performance and commercial activity augurs well for the next three quarters. As I see it, our business is tracking to the plan we laid out for the year. Business leaders are increasingly recognizing the severity and secularity of the power challenges we face. They now understand that time to power is a business imperative and grid cannot meet their growing power demands. They need to turn to distributed on-site power. There is increased recognition that natural gas is the only bridge fuel at scale and affordability for a decarbonized world. And for companies looking to reduce their carbon footprint and meet their emissions targets, Bloom offers the least carbon-intensive way of converting natural gas to electricity with virtually zero air pollution. As grid prices keep rising steadily in the U.S., Bloom's value proposition is becoming attractive even on a pure cost basis alone in more new markets. Such markets include regions of Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana where demand for power is growing, natural gas is available and a well-accepted fuel of choice, and our solutions are highly compelling for all electric and combined heat and power or CHP applications. The grid challenges and inadequacies are aggravated by a level of AI-related growth in data centers that is far beyond what anyone anticipated pre-ChatGPT. Bloom has a long track record of success in supporting data centers' power needs with over 200 megawatts of contracted and deployed orders. In the earnings call last quarter, I talked about our healthy commercial pipeline for data center power. I also talked about our opportunities falling in two categories, power needs arising from expansion of existing data centers and power for greenfield data centers that are being built for future needs, primarily AI. From a deal flow perspective, the existing data centers can often be contracted and deployed relatively quickly as a supporting infrastructure is in place and generally has minor permitting and permission hurdles. Contrast that to Greenfield data center opportunities with much bigger stamp sizes, permitting requirements, tenant and finance securement, grid interconnection queues, all leading to longer sales cycles but much higher revenue potential. In this regard, Bloom's bFlexible islanded mode power solution offers a Greenfield data center customer the ability to commence operation of their facilities without worrying about need or delays of grid interconnection. Let me give you an example of a deal where we were able to get the contract closed faster because it's an expansion of an existing facility. We are thrilled to announce today a major win on an expansion data center opportunity. Intel has been a customer of Bloom since 2014, and we have been powering their data center in Santa Clara, California, and their mission critical labs in Bangalore, India. In Santa Clara, California, Intel is adding to their existing Bloom server capacity significantly to make that location Silicon Valley's largest fuel cell powered high performance computing data center. On the larger stamp Greenfield data center deals, we still expect conversion of some of these opportunities in the second half of the year. The sales pipeline, is robust and growing. Bloom's opportunities from the AI revolution extend beyond the data centers. We can rapidly provide power to the AI supply chain, which has surging and growing energy needs. Since 2018, Bloom Energy has been providing clean, reliable power to Supermicro. a leading supplier of AI hardware for their rack integration facility in San Jose. Last year, Bloom Energy installed the first phase of a 10-megawatt contract for Unimicron of Taiwan, a leading developer of hardware solutions for the AI industry. We alleviated their time-to-power problem and enable them to meet their rapidly growing AI-related demands. Just last month, we announced that we would power Quanta's new multi-megawatt manufacturing facility in Fremont, California. Quanta is a leading global supplier of high-powered compute servers for AI data centers. The local power utility could not meet its power needs in a timely manner. Bloom's power solution is a fully islanded microgrid, which will power Quanta computers operations around the clock 24-7, 365 days a year. By leveraging Bloom Energy's innovative and modular microgrid solution, Quanta is eliminating utility-dependent delays and taking control of its destiny and maintain its competitive edge in the fast-paced AI market. The AI revolution creates one more tailwind for Bloom as AI-related players are able and prepared to pay a premium and use their leverage to procure and lock up merchant and utility power and solve their time to power issues, other industries are finding it harder and harder to get power for their growth needs. We have started seeing more customers inquiring about our products and solutions for this reason. As we look at international growth, Our approach has been to find the right markets, the right partners, and then scaling up with them. In Korea, we are seeing strength again after a temporary slowdown last year related to new policies being introduced. Our partner SK is confident about our future in Korea. We saw strong demand from SK in the first quarter. In Italy, we are very encouraged by the momentum we are building with Cefla, our partner for biogas-based CHP solutions. We are continuing to develop other opportunities in Europe and Asia. On the personal side, in April, we were very pleased to announce the appointment of Dan Berenbaum as Bloom's new chief financial officer. Dan's financial and operational career spans more than three decades. A Naval Academy graduate, Dan held executive level positions at publicly traded companies, including National Instruments, Micron, and Everspin. And before that, he spent 10 years on Wall Street as an analyst covering technology stocks. We are excited to have Dan on the team and know that he's the right person to help guide us in this next stage of our journey. With that, I'd also like to thank Greg Cameron for his service as Bloom CFO. He has enabled a smooth transition, as he promised, and all of us wish him great success in his new chapter that he'll commence soon. And now, I'll turn the call over to both Greg and Dan.
spk05: Thanks, KR. As this will be my final earnings call with Bloom Energy, I'd like to say how much I appreciate KR, the board, and the entire Bloom team for allowing me to be part of this amazing journey over the past four years. While we've accomplished a lot over that time, there remains more to do. While I will no longer be part of this journey, I remain excited for the opportunities for Bloom Energy and know the best days lie ahead. Now, I'd like to talk about the first quarter financial performance. As we discussed on the last call, we had said that the timing of acceptances could impact our first quarter revenue. At the time, I said revenue for the quarter could be flat to down 20% on a top comparable as we were up 40% in the first quarter of 2023. Our first quarter 2024 revenues were $235 million, down 14.5 percent versus the first quarter of 2023 as a few acceptances that we thought could happen in the first quarter are now likely to occur in future quarters the timing of these acceptances does not change our outlook for the full year the product volume and the mix of acceptances impacted our gross margins the first quarter Non-GAAP gross margins of 17.5% was down 370 basis points versus the first quarter last year. The lower volumes in the first quarter versus the prior quarter reduced manufacturing absorptions, which increased our product costs by over $160 a kilowatt, negatively impacting product margins by 500 basis points. If volumes had been similar to the fourth quarter 2023, adjusted first quarter product costs would have been roughly the same per kilowatt as the prior quarter. As volumes grow throughout the year and we continue to drive down material costs and increase power density, I would expect product costs to be reduced the targeted 10 plus percent down. Also in the quarter, the majority of our acceptances were to Korea. While our volume and pricing to Korea in the first quarter were similar to the prior two quarters, the percentage of the total increase as we had less shipments elsewhere. Over the past several quarters, the projects in Korea are becoming more price sensitive, resulting in a lower average selling price. Through our work on reducing product costs, we have maintained attractive product margins averaging above 30% in Korea, but the mix in the first quarter negatively affected our average selling price. I would expect an improvement in product margins as acceptances in the United States the rest of our international business increased throughout the year. An area that improved our margins in the first quarter was our service business, as we continue to grow our revenues, reduce performance payments, and reduce our replacement power module costs. I would expect this trend to continue throughout the year, and we expect our service business to be profitable on a non-GAAP gross margin basis this year, and as we've previously said, we are targeting a 20% on the same basis in 2025. We maintained our strong diligence on cost control as our operating expenses decreased approximately $21 million in the first quarter versus the same period last year. While we continue to invest in our future, we are very focused on improving our profitability. Even on lower revenue and margins, our operating costs allowed us to improve non-GAAP operating loss by $3 million versus the first quarter of 2023. We also significantly reduced our cash usage by over half versus the first quarter last year. We're holding working capital levels roughly flat to year end. This allowed us to end the first quarter with $583 million in total cash. Now I'm going to turn the call over to Dan, who will share with you a few thoughts and discuss guidance. But before I do that, I'm very glad Dan and I had time over the past few weeks for transition. I believe he's a great add to the team, and he's already building meaningful connections with his experience in energy. He's joining Bloom in an exciting time. With his partnership, I expect Bloom to continue to grow to meet the demands of an evolving energy market. With that, welcome, Dan, and over to you.
spk04: Thanks, Greg, and thank you, KR, for your earlier comments as well. I'm excited to be here, and I appreciate the warm welcome I've received from across the company. I've been impressed with what I've seen so far at Bloom, the technology, the people, and the drive to succeed in our mission of making clean, reliable, and resilient energy available for everyone. As Greg mentioned, he and I have been working closely together over the last couple of weeks, and I appreciate his time and the attention of the entire team in getting me up to speed on the financial and operating performance in the business. It's obvious to me what an important part of the Bloom story Greg has been. I want to thank him for that and for leaving a mature, competent team in place. As we move past earnings, I plan to spend time digging more deeply into the business. I'm also looking forward to meeting all of you. I'm committed to continuing to enhance our communications and our relationships with the entire financial community. I want to touch briefly on two things, our relationship with AWS and our outlook. As many of you know, in 2022, AWS entered into a power purchase agreement with Bloom to deploy 73 megawatts of capacity. We sold the energy servers for that project in 2022 and 2023 to our EPC partner. For state-specific reasons, AWS has decided not to proceed with the original deployment location. That said, we are pleased to share that Bloom and AWS are working to deploy the Bloom servers in other AWS locations under the terms of the agreement. Consistent with the PPA, AWS is commencing payments in the current quarter. We value our partnership with AWS, and we look forward to serving them well on this and other potential future transactions. As it relates to our outlook, We are reaffirming our 2024 annual guidance for revenue, margins, and profitability. With our backlog, commercial pipeline, and product supply, we remain confident that we can deliver $1.4 to $1.6 billion of annual revenue at approximately 28% non-GAAP gross margin. Where we end up within the revenue range will be primarily dependent on timing of project approvals and completion. As the year progresses, we will have greater clarity on these opportunities. Consistent with prior years, second half revenue is expected to be greater than first half revenue. Gross margin could improve each quarter as we move through the remainder of the year on lower product costs and improving service performance. At this revenue and gross margin profile for the year, we should be well positioned to achieve non-GAAP operating profit of $75 to $100 million. With that, operator, please open the line for questions.
spk00: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press star 1 again. If you are called upon to ask your question and are listening via loudspeaker on your device, please pick up your handset and ensure that your phone is not on mute when asking your question. And please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Your first question comes from the line of Andrew Prococo with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Great.
spk07: Thanks so much for taking the question here. And Dan, looking forward to meeting you over the coming weeks here. I guess to maybe start out with some data center questions. So first on this Intel announcement, Sounds like, you know, JR, you mentioned it's a sizable increase to the existing capacity. Can you just give us any megawatt ranges and maybe timing in terms of when you expect to ship those units to Intel? And then second, it's just on these greenfield opportunities that you're highlighting for the second half of the year. Can you just maybe give us some additional insight into how your products will be used at some of these larger hyperscaler sites, you know, it seems like they could be upwards of several hundred megawatts in size each. Is it going to be solely your product or is it going to be more of a microgrid solution where it's tailored or coupled with other solutions as well? I'm just trying to get a sense of the total megawatt opportunity from some of these greenfield sites. Thank you.
spk16: Andrew, you know, like very nice to hear from you. And I know that Dan's looking forward to meeting you. And on the data center opportunities, look, we only reveal customers' actual loads and capacities when we have their permission to do so. And otherwise, we maintain their confidentiality. That's why we maintain it. Having said that, I think there is enough material there on how big they're building their servers and how many servers they're putting there that you all can go figure numbers out and Don't ask us to either confirm or deny that. But I think it's out there. So in terms of total contracted and deployed data centers, right, we are approaching 300 megawatts. And that's a significant portion of our opportunities. And these data center opportunities will get deployed as fast as all the Ecosystem conditions are available in terms of gas availability and permits and permissions and all that. They're proceeding as fast as possible. And you know this extremely well. We applaud you for all your reports on highlighting how power is the most critical thing for data centers to grow. So that's on the Intel. And as you know, our largest prior to this in Silicon Valley for a data center in a single site was somewhere north of 20 megawatts is what we are facilitating. So that used to be it. This is the largest Silicon Valley data center. So now getting to your question on Greenfield. The answer is all of the above in terms of how people plan to deploy. Some of them plan to deploy purely Bloom on the B flexible kind of a model that we put out for you. Some of them will use a microgrid, and in that microgrid, they have all sorts of options of all your usual suspects, from combustion engines to batteries to using grid as a backup. But in many cases, as you would suspect, if it's hundreds of megawatts, they are willing and very seriously technology qualifying us for a standalone microgrid that's not connected to the grid. Because getting on that interconnection queue and getting that done is hard, and we bring in a unique solution where, because of our fault-tolerant architecture and high resiliency, availability, and reliability, we can be a standalone grid for them. So that can be a game changer for people for whom who value time to power and are willing to pay a premium for it. I think I covered your questions in terms of where we stand. Look, in most cases, when we talk about our pipeline increasing and things moving within that funnel with a velocity that is consistent with what you expect for a deal of this size. For example, if you're doing 100 megawatt Bloom Data Center over a 15-year period, the contracted value is well north of a billion dollars. So it has to go through its own diligence process and governance process within the companies. And after they do that, they need to go secure both tenant and finance agreements. Once they have all that in place, they have to negotiate a contract with a hyperscaler for whom they are purpose building it. If it's a hyperscaler, they can avoid that particular step. And all these needs to fall in place, but they do all this in parallel. And when anything gets finally all aligned and signed, is going to be the slowest step is going to be the rate limiting step on it. This is the reason it's taking longer. And we still believe that we should be able to announce some greenfield deals by the end of the year.
spk00: Your next question comes from the line of Manav Gupta with UBS. Please go ahead.
spk12: First, thank you, Greg, for all the help over the years. Welcome, Dan. My first question is on the survey side. I think, Greg, you had expressed a lot of confidence that service margins will flip, and they have flipped. So I'm trying to understand, can you give us some more details? What can ensure that these margins remain in the positive territory? And then what could help you get towards that 20% service margin next year? And my quick follow-up question, this is more of a modeling question, I understand, is very glad to hear that the situation has worked out with AWS. From the perspective of how we model this, should we just model it as a delay in terms of an order which was supposed to be implemented at a particular time and then it's delayed by a few quarters? Or does that anything change with the way we are modeling this AWS for the financial statement purposes? Thank you.
spk05: It's Greg. I'll take the first half of it and then pass it to Dan for the AWS side. Listen, service, this time last year, we talked about being a bit behind on getting our fruits out the door, our replacement power modules, and that we were going to be in a situation for a few quarters where we'd be paying performance payments and making the replacement power modules. And we talked about second quarter being the high watermark. And by the end of the year, each quarter we'd be getting better. And we saw a crossover point early in 2024. And it is the businesses performed exactly to the roadmap that we laid out at that time. Listen, the drivers of it are we're all knowable, right? From a installation standpoint, when we achieve COO and when we begin to get service payments, that tells us how the revenue is going to grow. And you can see each quarter our overall gross revenues have been growing. We also knew that as we increased our power module shipments, replacement power module shipments, our power output would increase and we reduce our performance payments. And that has happened each quarter exactly as we thought we'd happen. Lastly, what we've really put a tremendous obligation onto the team to perform, and they've done it, which is to continue to drive down that cost of those replacement power modules. And through the efforts of the engineering team and the sourcing team and the service team, they've accomplished that both on an individual basis as well as on a mixed basis. So the average cost has been coming down, pulling on both of those levers. So our expectation is that the business has achieved a break-even point here, and we would expect that to continue to improve through the rest of 2024. And we remain committed to the 20% gross margin achievement by 2025, which is something that we laid out several years ago and the business has been performing at. So I would say for the team, job well done. They performed and took a difficult situation. and addressed it and performed exactly as they said they would, and they've accomplished it. So with that, I'll pass over to Dan on the AWS question.
spk04: Thanks, Greg. So, Manav, you know, we're not going to give specific guidance on how to model individual deals or individual customers. I think the important thing to focus on is we're reiterating our guidance for the full year, that $1.4 to $1.6 billion that approximately 28% non-GAAP gross margin, you know, to give you a little bit of thought about how to model that. Obviously, you understand where we came in for Q1. If you look at sort of the last five years, the split between first half and second half has been somewhere between, you know, 40, 60, one-third, two-thirds, So I think just overall, that might be a good way to be, you know, just to give you some thoughts for the modeling. But to be clear, we're not going to guide specific deals, how to think about them, and we're not providing specific revenue guidance on a quarterly basis. We're just focused on that year and just an idea of how that year might shape out.
spk09: Thank you. Your next question comes from Chris.
spk00: Den Rios with RPC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
spk13: Yeah, good afternoon, and congratulations on the Intel announcement. I guess maybe just to start out here, and I want to focus a little bit on permitting here, you know, are the permits in hand for this data center expansion, I guess, both for Quanta and for Intel, and then You know, how are you guys navigating this with your customer to, you know, hopefully, I guess, keep things out of the public light that, you know, might cause, I guess, call it disruptions? Thanks.
spk16: Look, we, again, we don't get into specifics of customer permits and permissions because it's their applications and what they do. But we absolutely see no issues with us deploying for quanta this year, their systems and showing the speed at which we can solve a problem for them. There are no interconnection issues for Quanta because it's a completely islanded system that is not connected to the grid. And so they were able to eliminate any delays that it can potentially cause by choosing a better solution of keeping it islanded. Similarly, in Lake Santa Clara, you've heard us speak about it before, we have a very cooperative local government that works with us and we are confident that we will be able to get these systems installed and we don't see an issue with it. Thank you.
spk13: Got it. Understood. And then I guess maybe just shifting gears here, and I wanted to touch on the hydrogen opportunity here. So, you know, it looks like the project with World Energy is on track for FID early 2025. And I recognize that, you know, in the past you haven't wanted to comment too much on this, just given that it's not your project. But I guess, could you just provide any incremental color that you might have in terms of expectations kind of moving forward there? You know, what type of things should we be on the lookout for? Thank you.
spk16: Nothing has changed with how we talk about projects. So if we have a contract, we will let you know. But until then, we don't comment on our potential customers' processes. Thank you.
spk00: Your next question comes from the line of Sharif Halmagrovi with BTIG. Please go ahead.
spk17: Hey, good afternoon, and thanks for taking my questions. Sticking with Quanta for a second, did I hear correctly that you're saying that you're thinking you'll start deploying that this year? And then more generally, because I thought islanded solutions took a longer time, how long after receiving an islanded order does Bloom recognize revenue?
spk16: Well, our goal, again, we announced this A week, two weeks ago, it's all blurring for me, but you can look at the date, so don't quote me on the date. But we just announced it a few days ago, and we are confident that the customer will have the entire multi-megawatt power available to them before you all ring the bell in Times Square for 2025.
spk17: That's good to know. And then second, very simply, can you guys quantify where the backlog is this quarter relative to last quarter?
spk04: So, no, we're not going to provide guidance on the backlog. We will only provide guidance on the backlog or we'll provide the backlog once a year as has been our practice. You know, look, again, I'll just take the opportunity to say as a relative newcomer to the company, as I've dug in, You know, I'm very confident in the commercial pipeline that we have. Obviously, you know, that's why we feel comfortable with reiterating the guidance that we had previously provided. So we're not going to provide any specifics other than to say that, you know, me as the new CFO coming in, you know, feel pretty comfortable with the commercial pipeline as KR discussed.
spk09: Thank you.
spk00: Your next question comes from the line of Amit Tucker with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
spk08: Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to come back to, I guess, some additional disclosure you had around the AWS facility in Oregon in your 10-Q. It refers to the distributor and the distributor making PPA payments.
spk09: Is that SK Ecoplant or is that Amazon?
spk16: So in this case, it is our PPA agreement is with Amazon. And starting April, Amazon will start making the monthly payments for the PPA to Bloom as per the agreement. So that's the clarification I think you're seeking.
spk08: Okay, and just one follow-up. The 10Q does mention that the distributor has the ability to kind of reduce future orders or cancel existing orders until, I guess, the energy servers are redeployed. That is not Amazon, correct? And how does that – like, since you guys booked that revenue last year, I was just wondering if you could give us a sense on what sort of cash flow impact we can expect from that this year.
spk05: Yeah, it's Greg. I'll take that since I was around. Listen, it was very clear KR made that the payments on the PPA are going to be made contractual as Amazon has it. Last year, in the fourth quarter of 2022, we sold 73 megawatts to our partner SK Equal Plant that was going to be the EPC unit on that. Our expectation is as we find new sites, as Amazon finds new sites that the units can be deployed, it would make sense that SK would deploy their units there. And that is our expectation and our preference. What we wanted to make sure we disclosed fully was in our Q and in our K previously was if for some reason, if Amazon had decided they didn't want the unit and we had some disagreement with Amazon around that, we wanted folks to know that we would most likely work with our partner, not contractually, but out of partnership to help them get their units placed. going forward. But our expectation is that Amazon will find additional places for SK to deploy the inventory that they have.
spk04: Great, thanks for the Q&A. And again, I'll just add, we understand why folks are asking the question. One of the things that I want to make sure that people hear from me is as I've come in and I've looked at our projected cash flows, as I've looked at our projected P&L, You know, we're very comfortable with the state of the balance sheet. We're very comfortable with the receivables that we have and our ability to collect those receivables. So we're not going to get too much into specifics with specific customers, with specific partners. That's just probably not what our partners would want, quite frankly. But I do think that, you know, you hear from me that as we look at the balance sheet, as we look at our receivables, we are quite comfortable with our position. Thank you.
spk00: Your next question comes from the line of Biju Paranthiril from Susquehanna. Please go ahead.
spk15: Hey, thanks for taking my questions. Well, first of all, there's been some reports in industry publications about a sizable data center project in California that will be using solid oxide fuel cells. Can you confirm that's one of your projects? It doesn't sound like either. That's Quantile or the Intel projects you're talking about today.
spk16: I am sorry, Biju. I don't know what specifically this is, so I can't comment on it. But to my knowledge, I don't know how many other suppliers there are for solid oxide fuel cells that can deliver megawatts worth of solid oxide fuel cells to any data center. We are the only ones that I know of. There could be somebody I don't know, but we are not aware of anybody. So if somebody is saying they may be talking about us, but without the specifics, I cannot speak to it.
spk15: Got it. And my follow-up is on your manufacturing capacity. Obviously, the demand here seems to be accelerating. So how are you positioned on the capacity front? Do you need to fast-track sort of the build-out that you've talked about in the past?
spk16: We are extremely comfortable with being able to meet the surge demands as they come forward with our Fremont factory and our Delaware factory and what we have facilitated. And I think we have talked about it in the past with very modest investments to even further upgrades, we can keep up with the capacity as we go. And our speed to catch up 200 megawatts, 300 megawatts will be faster than the cycle time it takes for all the other systems to be in place for the Greenfield Data Center. So we feel like we are well situated to be able to meet the demands as the demands arise for us from a capacity perspective. And today, we know that we don't have a capacity constraint to meeting this year. And we will make sure By the time the new year comes, we can make the same statement about whatever our capacity needs are for 2025, all within the cash balance and everything that Dan talked about.
spk04: And I think, Kara, well, there are a couple of important points there. I think I did mention in the prepared remarks the puts and takes in that. 1.4 to 1.6 billion revenue guidance for 24 is really about timing and we have the commercial pipeline, we have the manufacturing capacity that we need, we have the supply chain preparedness that we need to be within that range and really where we end up within that range is really gonna be things like timing of acceptances. And then of course, one of my priorities coming here is As we grow the company, we need to grow it profitably and we need to invest at the right time. We need to make sure that we're investing in our manufacturing capacity so that we have the capacity to meet demand, which again, for 24, clearly that's not a problem. And as we move beyond that, and as we grow the company, there's going to be a focus on using our cash wisely at the right time and growing the company profitably.
spk00: Your next question comes from the line of Martin Malloy with Johnson Rice. Please go ahead.
spk19: Thank you for taking my question, and Greg, best of luck in your future endeavors. First question, I just wanted to ask about progress in terms of development of the carbon capture technology. Could you maybe give us an update on that in conjunction with the fuel service?
spk16: Yeah, so look, if you look at our pipeline, both domestically and internationally, we are working with several partners, and where we are at this stage on that is technology qualification. We have developed great partners who can take our gas and process it to the specifications required to put that in a pipeline to meet their standards for it to go into a classic swell, number one. Number two is we are talking to large utilities that have been playing in this field already in the US and who have tried other techniques and now believe that we have the better mousetrap that we are working with. With the number of states figuring out who has domain dominance issues to getting classics well-supproved, to the pipelines coming on board, to everything else that needs to happen, this also has a longer sales cycle. But the way I would characterize where we are on that is most people are getting extremely comfortable our technology and saying that we would like to baseline your technology. Now it's about the next steps. It will take time, but this is a huge opportunity. And thanks for asking that question, Marty, because I want to emphasize something to you. This world cannot decarbonize by 2050 without carbon sequestration. There is no possible way that we can. This is huge. And we have one of the best available technologies anybody has shown to take natural gas and create a concentrated stream of carbon dioxide to sequester which means if you have the dual issues of needing more power and to decarbonize we are about as good as it comes as a solution your next question comes from the line of noel parks with tui brothers please go ahead
spk09: Hi, good afternoon.
spk01: I just had a couple. You know, I wondered, and generally or specifically as you feel comfortable, the Intel relationship is such a longstanding one. And I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the evolution of the relationship. And I'm curious even sort of what model of the BES they originally run and just kind of what it's been like. as far as just going through upgrade cycles and so on with such an established customer?
spk16: Sure, Noel. That's a very good question. Look, you know, we have always prided that if you look at historically, about two-thirds of our business comes from repeat orders from customers, multi-hundred-million-dollar orders. And to us, there is no better validation of us taking care of a customer's pain At the end of the day, you're solving their problems. And if you solve them well, they come back to you. And there's no better indication. And I would like to grow even more new customers, but it's always the land and expand strategy that we have. And Intel would be a very good example of that. Our first installations for Intel were in California, both in the Bay Area and in Folsom, for their facilities. where they wanted to try us out. And this was in 2014. So it was our second generation technology. And then I still today remember vividly the CEO at that time sitting in my conference room evaluating it and saying, if you really want to solve my pain, I'll tell you where my pain is. It's in Bangalore, India. And we are building a new building. We have no power for it. And the old building we have loses power three times a day. I cannot run the kind of labs and data centers I want to run in Bangalore if I lose power three times a day. And I said, for the long relationship we want with you, we are happy to go try. We had never installed anything in India at that time. We had to run three kilometers of gas pipelines for them working with the gas authority of India to bring the gas. And we had power for them before they finished the building. And I'm proud to say that that 2014 system that's been upgraded along the way with field replacement units, we don't drop load for them. They never have to worry about losing power. So we have a long established and proven relationship with them and we are extremely grateful for them to have taken that early step and we applaud them for being a leader and a huge thanks to them for again trusting us and trusting us with that expansion of their data center in Santa Clara.
spk00: Your next question comes from the line of Pavel. Molchinov with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
spk06: Thanks for taking the question. Let me start with a conceptual one. When you speak with data centers and they want to reconcile baseload generation and sustainability targets, how often do you hear hydrogen and RNG feedstock entering that conversation?
spk16: Paul, this is a very good question. Look, they and us and everybody on the planet would love to have a zero carbon fuel and be able to power the data center with that. We all know that that's aspirational for the foreseeable future in the short term. We all also believe that definitely in the future, that renewable molecule, whether it is green ammonia, green hydrogen, RNG, biogas, all of the above should become available so our children and our grandchildren can have a great planet. But don't forget, one additional option is large-scale power generation from natural gas with carbon capture because Mother Nature does not care about renewable sources fossil, it cares about the carbon dioxide molecules in the atmosphere. They get the same effect. So with our solution, what they see is it's the best available option of anything that they can possibly do in real terms for the atmosphere. Yes, they can go and buy green credits and wrecks and build solar farms. That is not displacing the dirty, highly power intensive power that they use wherever they use it. Whereas here, they are actually producing power with the least amount of carbon footprint and with no air pollution. Then, as these green molecules become available, from zero to small blends to 100% pure green fuel, they can use our same existing systems without stranding it. So we are future-proofing them. And if, as a country, we figure out carbon capture and have pipelines and sequestration available, they can use natural gas until such time to be able to do it. With all those, they are convinced that this is a great option.
spk00: Your next question comes from the line of Colin Rush with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
spk09: Hi there. This is Andre Adams on for Colin.
spk18: As you're quoting microgrid opportunities, can you just speak again to those customers' desire for zero emissions versus natural gas solutions and whether you're trying to integrate additional solar, wind, or chemical storage on site?
spk16: So, yeah, you know, the answer is we believe in all of the above. We are big fans of solar. We are big fans of wind. And as they grow, they are going to need to store it. And hydrogen is one option. And you know that we have a play on both sides of hydrogen, both the hydrogen electrolyzer as well as using hydrogen as a fuel in our fuel cells. So we encourage people to do all of the above. And obviously, our customers will in their mix have as much solar and wind because that industry, especially the data center industry and information industry, is in the leading edge of any other industry in terms of reducing their carbon footprint. So the great thing about Bloom is we integrate beautifully with any of those microgrids. And we are firming up that base load without dirty diesel and all the air pollution associated with that.
spk00: Your next question comes from the line of Ben Callow with Baird. Please go ahead.
spk10: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Dan, just welcome. I know you got a lot of questions, and kudos to you jumping on this early and starting. I'm not asking about the guidance that you guys put out there, not you, but that was out there for 26 before. But since you've been here, how's your visibility look? It seems good for this year, but there was guidance out there a couple times for 26, just as you think about all of that.
spk04: Yeah, Ben. So thanks for the question. You know, it's a bit difficult for me to comment, not having the full perspective on that. I will tell you that. I'm just going to reiterate, you know, I got pretty comfortable pretty quickly in what the commercial pipeline looks like and what our revenue will look like for this year and our path to increased profitability, as we talked about. I won't really talk about things beyond that. You know, I will say that My focus is on making sure that we're ready to scale profitably. It's on obviously the first things that I've jumped into. We're looking at the balance sheet, some of the concerns that I know we've heard from investors in the past, the receivables, the cash flow. We have optionality on the convert that's due in August of 25. So that's where my focus has been more immediately to get comfortable and confident in those things. And as I say, the commercial pipeline gives me a significant amount of confidence for that. I'm going to have, you're going to have to give me maybe another 90 days to be able to comment on anything further than that.
spk00: Your next question comes from the line of Jordan Levy with Truist Securities. Please go ahead.
spk02: Hi, it's Henry for Jordan here. Thanks for squeezing me in. Congratulations, Greg and Dan for joining the team. Just a quick one. As we look to the rest of the year, Can you all provide some detail on the walk from this quarter to hitting that operating income guidance for the remainder of the year? And what we should kind of be looking at as the, you know, quarter has progressed?
spk04: So the only real comment we've made, you know, I talked a little bit about, you know, in general terms, how to think about maybe a revenue profile first half, second half. And I would just say that, you know, I would expect gross margin to improve sequentially every quarter as we move through the year.
spk00: Your next question comes from the line of Chris Tesung with Wolf Research. Please go ahead.
spk14: Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to just clarify on the prepared remarks on the product ASPs being weighed down from international sales. Are those the sales to SK Ecoplant, and should we expect the rest of the sales under that preferred distributor agreement to reflect this ASP?
spk05: Got it. Hey, it's Greg. The ASPs that we're getting from our partners in Korea this quarter were very consistent with the prior quarter. So as you look at our mix of ASPs during 2023, and you think about them for the quarter, and you think about it as they go forward, yeah, mix worked against us a little bit on timing from the quarter, not because those were down materially versus where they'd been, but just other shipments weren't there. So I would expect ASPs to continue to increase through the course of the year as we have other sources of volume moving in, and that's consistent with the way we thought about putting the framework together for the year.
spk00: That concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the conference back over to KR for closing remarks.
spk16: Thank you. Thanks everyone for your participation on the call and for your support of Bloom Energy. As I close, I just think there are three things I want to emphasize. The first one is I think we laid it out to you even in the last call and we want to confirm this again to you that we are reaffirming our guidance for the year and also reminding you that we said it's going to be a heavy-loaded second half of the year and not the first half of the year, and that's how it's going to turn out. And that's just the rhythm of the business, as we say, based on the orders we have at hand and how we can prosecute. Second, and on that issue again, we have within that guidance where we will be on those numbers, as Dan pointed out, I want to reiterate, We have the sites, we have the orders, we have the customers, we have the products we can make. It is purely about timing of when those things fall here or there is what's going to decide where on that range we fall. We'll know more as the year progresses. And we're working hard to see what we can pull. On the second point, the Intel agreement, the Quanta agreement, continuing orders from existing customers, and a strong commercial pipeline, they all are showing that we have the right product at the right time for a market that very badly needs the solution. This is what we are offering is not a product for somebody to buy. It's a solution that enables them to protect their business and take care of their business and grow. The market dynamics. are very clearly in our favor. People want low carbon solutions right now. They know that there is no miracle switch to a zero carbon solution overnight. And so our low carbon solution has the right market dynamic from that perspective. People want power now. And the utilities are not moving at the speed the data center industry and the utility industry are operating on two different time scales. And that helps us provide, either to the utility or to the customer, we are agnostic in front of the meter or behind the meter, a solution so we can help businesses, the local economy, and everybody. Clearly, the data center and AI space not only has opened up an opportunity for us in the data center space, but the entire AI ecosystem space, as you saw with the supply chain. And with all that opportunity, we have to execute, and hopefully you are seeing quarter over quarter what we say and what we do. And I'll let you be the judge of figuring out are we doing what we say. I feel very good with our entire team functioning as one team at a very high level, We are adding quality people into our leadership team as well as in our employee base. They're deeply committed to the mission, and I feel very good about where we are as a company. I'm excited about our future, and I'm confident about our future. Thank you.
spk00: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation, and you may now disconnect.
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