Brookdale Senior Living Inc.

Hello everyone and welcome to Brookdale Senior Living Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. My name is Bruno and I'll be operating your call today. During the presentation, you can register to ask a question by pressing star 1 on your telephone keypad. I will now hand over to your host, Jessica Hazel, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you and good morning. I'd like to welcome you to the second quarter 2023 earnings call for Brookdale Senior Living. Joining us today are Cindy Beyer, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Don Cusso, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. All statements today, which are not historical facts, may be deemed to be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These statements are made as of today's date, and we expressly disclaim any obligation to update these statements in the future. Actual results and performance may differ materially from forward-looking statements. Certain of the factors that could cause actual results to differ are detailed in the earnings release we issued yesterday, as well as in the reports we file with the SEC from time to time including the risk factors contained in our annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. I direct you to the release for the full Safe Harbor Statement. Also, please note that during this call, we will present non-GAAP financial measures. For reconciliations of each non-GAAP measure from the most comparable GAAP measure, I direct you to the release and supplemental information, which may be found at brookdaleinvestors.com and was furnished on an 8K yesterday. Now, I will turn the call over to Cindy.

Thank you, Jessica. Good morning to all of our shareholders, analysts, and other participants. Welcome to our second quarter 2023 earnings call. I am pleased to announce that we have delivered remarkable year-over-year results for the first half of 2023, supported by our strategic priorities and ongoing initiatives, and are positioned for extraordinary future growth. For the second consecutive quarter, our adjusted EBITDA results exceeded our guidance. We are incredibly focused on execution of our recovery strategy that prioritizes profitable and sustainable long-term growth through operational excellence of our key strategic priorities. As a reminder, our strategic priorities include get every available room in service at the best profitable rate, attract, engage, develop, and retain the best associates, and earn resident and family trust and satisfaction by providing valued, high-quality care and personalized service. Our positive momentum of top-line growth and expense management continued in the second quarter, which yielded a year-over-year adjusted EBITDA increase of 61% and an adjusted free cash flow improvement of 85%. This is even more impressive considering that as a result of the Omega and Welltower lease amendments, we had approximately $10 million of lease payments that impacted adjusted EBITDA this year, but didn't affect last year due to changes in lease classification. There was no change in adjusted free cash flow as a result of the classification change. We believe this strong performance is being achieved through disciplined decision-making and by aligning the organization around the most critical actions that will drive meaningful results for years to come while delivering a steady and measured pace of immediate growth. Importantly, Our REVPAR has now exceeded our pre-pandemic results for two consecutive quarters, and we have opportunity for continued growth as we increase our census. Demand for our product offerings is strong, and our teams have remained diligent in appropriately controlling expenses while providing high-quality care and personalized service. On the demand side, we have continued to have move-in activity that exceeded our pre-pandemic average by 7.5% and that supported our second quarter sequential occupancy growth. We have a healthy lead pipeline and anticipate growing demand over the coming quarters and years. While improving versus the first quarter, move outs remained elevated in the second quarter. Even so, we outperformed normal pre-pandemic seasonality in the second quarter and our ending occupancy for June exceeded our occupancy at the beginning of the year. Throughout the quarter, we delivered steady and sustainable occupancy increases that provide important recurring revenue streams and move us closer to achieving full recovery. At the same time, we further improved our operational and financial performance. On the expense side, we remained diligent in our efforts to create a high-quality resident experience, through trusted and compassionate associates, while being good stewards of the revenue we receive from residents by managing expenses carefully. We are finally seeing our efforts to attract, engage, develop, and retain the best associates translate into improved turnover of our community associates. While we still have work to do, this is an important step forward. Lastly, regarding our third priority of providing high-quality care to our residents, I previously shared our plans to expand the Brookdale Health Plus program to additional communities. At the end of the second quarter, we had nearly 50 Brookdale Health Plus communities. I am proud to report that an independent third party once again confirmed that residents in Health Plus communities have fewer urgent care visits and hospitalizations compared to similar seniors residing in competitive senior living facilities or living independently. Importantly, urgent care visits were 78% lower and hospitalizations were 36% lower for Brookdale Health Plus residents than similar individuals living at home. These outcomes highlight the program's effectiveness in supporting improved resident health and well-being by providing proactive care coordination and preventive care measures. They also demonstrate the value that Brookdale's care provides in lowering health care costs for our residents. I am pleased with our year-to-date performance and believe we are on the right path to deliver against expectations successfully in the third quarter. Our third quarter guidance reflects anticipated forward progress that moves us even closer towards achieving consistent and positive quarterly cash flow. In the third quarter, we are maintaining our targeted community-centered approach to grow occupancy and to support margins consistent with the first quarter. Our sales, clinical, and operations leadership teams are working with key leaders at each community to ensure strategic alignment and to support our efforts to grow profitably at the community level. By tailoring strategies to individual communities and focusing on our largest opportunities, we can enhance operational performance, staff our shifts with full and part-time Brookdale associates rather than contract labor, and enhance overall resident and family satisfaction. There is so much potential from rebuilding our occupancy and achieving our operational initiatives, and I am incredibly proud. of what our team of associates has accomplished to get us to this place. I know the decisions we are making and the actions we are taking are setting us up for long-term value creation. Before moving to our longer-term outlook, I wanted to provide an update on our lease with LTC properties that is set to mature December 31st, 2023. In May, I spoke to details regarding our notice of non-renewal for the 35 community lease. I'm pleased to share that we reached a mutually beneficial agreement with LTC to retain 10 communities under a new lease agreement. This 10 community lease is very beneficial to Brookdale because we now have the right to acquire all 10 assets under a favorable purchase option. Also, LTC has agreed to provide additional landlord-funded CapEx investments for these communities. Under the new lease terms, these communities would provide positive lease coverage. We value our relationship with LTC and appreciate the hard work from both teams to achieve this positive outcome. As I think beyond this year, I am confident we will remain on a path of occupancy growth over the coming years, capturing an organic growth opportunity that has more potential for positive momentum than at any point in the last decade. The macroeconomic dynamics coupled with Brookdale's key differentiators are contributing to our positive long-term outlook for Brookdale. I'll begin with the muted inventory supply and strong demand fundamentals. Our exposure to the supply side of the equation is modest, with only 2% of our communities exposed to new construction within a 20-minute drive time. New construction remains at historic lows driven by elevated interest rates, high labor and supply costs, and record inflation during 2021 and 2022. The silver lining from the pandemic and the follow-on inflation is that it has become increasingly difficult for developers to achieve financial feasibility for communities that would be able to compete successfully at our price points. The recent regional banking crisis and resulting tighter lending criteria likely will keep new starts low for some time. Even if these macro factors rapidly improved, it can take up to three years to open a community after construction starts. On the other side of the equation, the demand for senior housing is set to surge, fueled by robust demographic tailwinds. The record forecasted growth in our target population will significantly accelerate demand for our products. More than 1 million new seniors are expected to enter the target market age cohort every year, resulting in an estimated 34 million individuals aged 75 plus in the year 2030. Older Americans are one of the fastest growing demographics in the country. As a result, the demand drivers that support our expectations are not only solid, but are accelerating. When you combine the low supply exposure with the strong and increasing demand, we can clearly see the positive industry fundamentals that will drive significant growth for our sector. With our competitive advantages, Brookdale is uniquely positioned to capitalize on these dynamics. Our diverse portfolio of communities with a higher mix of assisted living and memory care set us apart from the industry, which is skewed towards lower acuity products. The senior population is increasingly comprised of elders with more chronic conditions, like Alzheimer's. By 2030, The CDC expects 8.5 million Americans will be living with Alzheimer's disease. As seniors need more care, there are fewer adult children to support them. The caregiver ratio is projected to fall by an astounding 35% in the decade spanning from 2020 to 2030. This decline building upon already noticeable decreases prior to 2020, deepens the need for valued, high-quality care and personalized services. Brookdale exists to help the aging population by providing these services. To this point, when a senior needs care, senior living is incredibly attractive from a cost perspective. Assisted living memory care averages a mere 25% of the cost of a home health aid, without even considering the normal expenses of at-home living. We believe Brookdale's product offerings across independent living, assisted living, and memory care distinguish themselves as an affordable choice for the senior population. Last, but certainly not least, we will leverage our scale and clinical expertise to deliver current and future residents enhanced quality care and services in a highly effective and value-added way. Through programs like Brookdale Health Plus with measurable, positive resident health outcomes, we are confident that Brookdale will distinguish itself further as the leader within the senior housing industry. At the same time, we have the opportunity to capitalize on the transition to value-based care by sharing in the value created from improved health outcomes. Given these differentiated company strengths, we anticipate the demand for our communities will increase considerably, which will drive significant future operating income growth and value creation for all of Brookdale stakeholders. In summary, the opportunities for Brookdale's growth are significant, driven by robust supply and demand fundamentals, continued improvement in operational excellence, and a resilient business model. Brookdale, with our competitive advantages, is well positioned to capture this growth and provide an essential service to our aging population. I look forward to the journey ahead and am excited about the opportunities that lie before us.

I'll now turn the call over to Dawn. Thank you, Cindy. Good morning, and thank you for being here today. We were pleased with our second quarter results, which included continued year-over-year gains in our key operating metrics, including occupancy, rev par, community operating margin, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted free cash flow, and ultimately our liquidity position. We are proud of these results and believe that they are a testament to consistent execution of our strategic priorities and commitment to growth. Beginning with second quarter revenue. Consolidated senior housing revenue grew 11% over the prior year second quarter. This was driven by 190 basis point increase in occupancy and an 8.8% increase in rev pour. Both move in and move out volume improved compared to the first quarter, contributing to sequentially favorable weighted average occupancy for the second quarter. As expected, we recovered the seasonal occupancy loss from the first quarter, grew occupancy every month within the quarter, and at June month end had returned to a level above the 2022 year end. With 11.6% year-over-year growth, second quarter consolidated REVPAR was in line with our previously provided guidance range. Specific to our same community portfolio, REVPAR grew 11.9% year-over-year, driven by 210 basis points of occupancy growth and an 8.9% increase in REVPOR. Moving to expenses. Our second quarter consolidated facility operating expense was approximately $531 million. We were pleased to maintain flat facility operating expense compared to the first quarter while sequentially growing our occupancy rate. Within same community facility operating expense, labor expense as a percent of revenue decreased 500 basis points compared to the prior year second quarter, while other facility operating expense decreased more than 60 basis points. Same community premium labor expense continued to decline in our second quarter and our year-over-year reduction in contract labor was more than 80%. While labor is two-thirds of our expense base, we also saw improvements in utilities and food expense, which supported our other facility operating expense favorability. Our leadership and team of associates remain diligently focused on appropriate expense control, while ensuring that we continue to meet our residents' needs, provide high-quality care and services, and remain in compliance with applicable regulations. The same community operating margin was 25.7% when excluding the other operating income we recognized. This represents a remarkable 560 basis points of margin expansion over the prior year second quarter. Second quarter general and administrative expense remained relatively flat to the first quarter at approximately $42 million. Cash operating lease payments for the second quarter were $62 million, which is consistent with our previously provided expectations and reflects the change in classification of $10 million related to previously communicated lease transactions. These results culminated in second quarter adjusted EBITDA of approximately $81 million, a more than $30 million increase over the prior year second quarter, despite the $10 million unfavorable impact of accounting changes in lease classification related to our recent lease transactions. Importantly, second quarter adjusted EBITDA was above the top end of our previously provided guidance range. Compared to our expectations, second quarter adjusted EBITDA outperformance was driven primarily by better than anticipated expense management. Adjusted free cash flow was negative $7 million for the quarter. a $41 million improvement to the prior year second quarter. This year-over-year favorability was largely driven by senior housing revenue and operating margin growth, as well as positive working capital. Second quarter capital expenditures were $65 million, relatively in line with the first quarter as expected. We continue to anticipate approximately $200 million of non-development CapEx in 2023 excluding expected reimbursable remediation costs. Year to date, we have incurred approximately $24 million in reimbursable remediation costs, of which we have been reimbursed approximately $9 million. We believe the remaining $15 million of reimbursement will occur in 2023 and currently expect our total reimbursable spend to be approximately $25 million. As of June 30th, total liquidity was $440 million. Year-to-date, we have successfully delivered a 93% increase in adjusted EBITDA over 2022. We are making meaningful and sustainable gains towards complete recovery and beyond and believe the third quarter will move us closer to our goals. Regarding third quarter guidance, in yesterday's press release, we guided to third quarter REVPAR growth of 10% to 10.5% over the prior year and adjusted EBITDA in the range of $73 to $78 million. We expect third quarter occupancy to be higher than second quarter driven by continued sequential monthly increases throughout the third quarter. As reported yesterday, July weighted average occupancy was above June as anticipated and reflected in our guidance. we anticipate some normal pressure to our third quarter REV pour, as is typical as part of normal seasonal attrition patterns. Pivoting to adjusted EBITDA guidance. Achieving third quarter adjusted EBITDA in the range of $73 to $78 million would produce another very strong quarter of sustainable progress. As a reminder, the prior year third quarter included $61 million of Phase IV provider relief funds recognized in our adjusted EBITDA results. When considering the midpoint of the third quarter guidance range and normalizing for the recent changes in lease classification and the sizable prior year grant, our adjusted EBITDA increase over the third quarter of 2022 would be 130%. Considering this guidance sequentially, when compared to the second quarter, The anticipated third quarter increase in occupancy I spoke to will deliver both revenue growth and expense leverage. In addition, through continued diligent and appropriate expense management, we expect to partially mitigate the impact of normal third quarter seasonality factors, which are unfavorable sequentially. These normal seasonality factors are expected to impact our adjusted EBITDA results by approximately $10 million and are outlined on the last page of our investor presentation. Finally, there's a $3 million incremental sequential impact from the Welltower transaction, since the transaction only had a pro rata change in lease classification impact in the second quarter from a mid-quarter closing. While this lease accounting change will impact adjusted EBITDA, it is important to note that it will have no impact on our adjusted EBITDA a standard and widely used non GAAP valuation metric and will not impact our adjusted free cash flow. This was merely a change in accounting from finance lease to operating lease. We are confident in the successful execution of our third quarter plans and look forward to delivering another quarter of solid results. Lastly, Cindy shared with you the way in which we are thinking about our long-term outlook and the robust organic growth opportunity before us. We have included a new slide in our investor presentation that quantifies the potential opportunity from returning occupancy and segment operating margin to their pre-pandemic levels. We believe that by achieving the recovery milestones shown on the new slide, our senior housing operating income would increase from its current level to approximately $1.1 billion annually with additional opportunity from future REVPOR growth. This magnitude of growth would support exceptional adjusted EBITDA and meaningful positive cash flow. Our teams are diligently working toward this objective with a long-term vision that we are not only capable of achieving this goal, but exceeding it. In closing, we've had many significant achievements during the first half of 2023. There are still substantial underlying opportunities for us to capture as we complete our recovery from the impact of the pandemic. I know that our disciplined approach to ensuring quality and sustainable forward progress will yield favorable results, both in the short term and for the years to come. I'll now turn the call back over to Cindy.

In the midst of an evolving industry landscape, we are starting to see the beginning of a multi-year cycle of remarkable progress. The broadly anticipated supply and demand dynamics strengthen our runway for organic growth. Additionally, as I've shared, Brookdale's unique advantages establish us as the leader in the senior housing industry. These competitive advantages, coupled with our passionate and committed associates, with their unwavering focus on enriching the lives of those we serve, lay the groundwork for an incredibly promising earnings future. We are eager to embrace the opportunities of this new era in senior living. And while there's often a temptation to seek rapid growth and immediate results, I believe that sustainable success is the outcome of careful planning, solid execution, and measured steps. I see a clear path into a long and successful future for Brookdale. Operator, please open the line for questions.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. That's star followed by one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star followed by two. And also remember to unmute your microphone when it's your turn to speak. Our first question comes from Ben Hendrix from RBC. Ben, your line is now open. Please proceed.

Thank you. Good morning. And congrats on the strong quarter.

Thank you, Ben.

Good morning. Good morning. I certainly appreciate your thoughts on the operating income potential as we get back to pre-pandemic occupancy that you've set forth in the presentation. Clearly strong fixed cost leverage highlighted there. Can you talk about the staffing assumptions baked into those numbers? And are we at a total staffing level that can sustain pre-pandemic occupancy? Or would you require further reduction in agency costs to fund a larger number of full-time staff to achieve that $1.1 billion scenario you highlight? Thanks.

Ben, there are a lot of really good questions within that overall question. And what I would say is that the slides that we've added on page 17 of the investor deck, they really demonstrate the massive leverage that is built within our portfolio. And the way that we did the calculation is we did not assume any rev core growth despite the fact that we have a history of increasing rate over our cost increases. We also assumed that we would get to the midpoint of our historical operating ranges. And this does recognize that we would have to increase the size of our workforce as we do increase the occupancy of the portfolio. But what I'm really grateful for is in 2022, we increased our workforce by 15%. And during 2023, we've seen stabilization of that workforce. And so I think that the labor markets are recovering. And I think that as we grow occupancy, it should be something where we can grow the necessary associates. through a disciplined approach, and I don't really see us getting back into a situation where we see significant contract labor like we had in 2022. I think that we will be able to grow our workforce where we need it slowly over time as we rebuild that occupancy.

Thank you. As a follow up to that, given the favorable supply and demand dynamics that you highlighted, can you talk about your forward view of industry rates overall and specifically Brookdale's ability to sustain the strong rev pour momentum that you've seen in recent quarters? Thanks.

Yeah, look, I think that our focus at Brookdale is to make sure that we are providing high quality valued services and we want to make sure that we're balancing affordability for our residents with good stewardship of the revenue that we receive through them through tight expense control. I do think that with very strong supply and demand economics kind of trends coming forward, there is a good opportunity for us to appropriately price our product while growing profitability and cash flow of the company.

Thanks, guys. Great quarter.

Thanks, Ben. We were pretty happy.

Our next question comes from Josh Ruskin from Nefron Research. Josh, your line's not open. Please proceed. Hi. Thanks. Good morning.

As you look at Jan 1, 2024, do you think there's an opportunity for outsized pricing again? Does the cost structure seem to be normalizing? And do you think competitors are getting back to more discounting, perhaps more competitive pricing environment?

Yeah, if I look forward to January 1st, I think that we're definitely seeing cost pressures decline. you can see the rate of inflation for all costs is coming down. And so we don't have the same situation that we had in 2022 going into 2023. We're making progress and we're seeing a more normalized inflation in our costs. So I think that's something that we'll take into consideration for our January 1st price increases. Now with regard to the competitive environment, 90% of our competitors operate five or fewer communities. So it's always true that you see everything in the market and some markets are more competitive than others. We've seen it be particularly competitive in Los Angeles as an example, in Houston, Texas, in Orlando, but it's always the case that we have some markets that are more competitive than others. Now what I would say is what we're really focused on is making sure that we provide high quality, valued services at an affordable price point for our residents We're really excited about the value of assisted living. If you think about the fact that assisted living and memory care is 25% of the cost of having a home health care aid, and that doesn't even include the cost of someone who stays at home, I think it's an attractive product for people who need our services. But there will be times where there's discounting, and we need to make sure that we can appropriately differentiate the value that Brookdale provides compared to our competitors And Health Plus, quite honestly, is one of the big reasons that I think we'll be able to do that even better in the future. Think about having 78% lower hospitalizations than similar people who live at home, or 78% lower urgent care visits than similar people who live at home, or 36% lower hospitalizations. There's real value in staying healthier and we just need to make sure that we're balancing the value proposition we have with the rate that we charge.

Okay, so we should start thinking more about a rev pour number that's maybe more consistent with historical levels, you know, and not certainly moderated from what we're seeing this year.

Yeah, we're not getting guidance at this point. But what I will say is I would expect some moderation in 2024 compared to 2023. Okay.

And then, can you give some statistics on retention and sort of average length of stay, you know, monthly stay for your residents? I'm curious how that looks relative to pre-pandemic and really just trying to get at the acuity of your residents and, you know, maybe the opportunity to sell additional services. You talk about Health Plus and if that current resident base should be generating maybe more revenue than prior to the pandemic.

Yeah, if our overall portfolio, if you look at our overall portfolio, our average length of stay is slightly under two years. That certainly varies by product line with memory care being the shortest, assisted living being the middle, and independent living being the longest length of stay. One of the things that is true because we have been building our occupancy and because we have a higher mix of new residents in our community, naturally that would press our average length of stay of existing residents down just a little bit. So we've got a little bit of opportunity to improve our length of stay as we sort of get to a more normalized occupancy and we hold it. When you think about the acuity of our resident population, during the pandemic we ended up with a higher acuity resident who moved in. But that has returned to pre-pandemic norms in the last couple of years, both 2022 and 2023. And that's something that's really good because if you think about during the pandemic, I think people hesitated to move in until they really needed the care and services. But now they're moving in at a more normal acuity compared to pre-pandemic. And so that should bode well for longer length of stay. And when I think about what Health Plus can do for us, now it's only in 50 communities. Again, I think what that will do is it will attract someone who's really focused on maximizing their health span. And I think that we are uniquely positioned to help seniors who are looking for that as they continue their lives.

Okay. All right. So it sounds like probably there's a lot going on, but it's really just the growth in the new residents that have brought that number down a little bit. So maybe a little apples to oranges.

Yeah, and I will say that we did have a higher move out for financial reasons due to the larger than normal rate increase. But I do think that we saw sequential improvement for that between Q1 and Q2, and we've seen continued improvement in that in the month of July. So I think we made the right decision to appropriately factor in the cost of operating our services to our rate increase. But that was a factor that in the first half of the year definitely affected sort of our occupancy rate and our sequential growth.

Okay, thanks.

Thanks, Josh.

As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. That's star followed by one on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from Joanna Kachuk from Bank of America. Joanna, your line is not open. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. So if I may, just a couple of questions on the guidance here for third quarter. So you outlined, obviously, the seasonality, right, quarter over quarter, how to end there. But I guess we expect 5 to 10 million growth at the core to help offset that. So I guess, can you help us understand that number? How much do you assume grant income will be in that number? I mean, I understand that occupancy growth is driving this and the fixed cost leverage there. And also, is there any benefit from selling the entrance fee community in second quarter?

Hi, Joanna. This is Dawn. Thank you for the question. Let me just turn to page 10 in our investor presentation. And I'll walk you from second quarter into third quarter. If you think about our second quarter, we had said in the second quarter that we had expected grant income, and we recorded a little bit over $4 million. That would have been included in our guidance number. And so if you think about just the grant income, we'll expect a little bit less into the third quarter, but nothing material. So just doing the walk from second quarter over to third quarter, our normal seasonality factors, we outline on the last page of our investor deck. So we expect higher utilities in the third quarter. That's seasonal. We also expect an extra workday. So that's a lot, mostly labor. And then also two of the days in the third quarter versus the second quarter, either a weekend day or a holiday where we have incremental labor costs. And so the second piece is really the impact of the lease classification. So because of the mid quarter, second quarter, we have a small lease reclassification. Again, a reduction of our adjusted EBITDA sequentially, but no impact to our EBITDA or our adjusted free cash flow. And then the performance expectations that we expect the five to ten million dollars is really we expect occupancy to increase and we expect to have normal seasonal impact on our rev pour and then as that occupancy increases we expect to leverage our fixed cost structure as well as have better expense management in the third quarter so If you saw the expense management that we showed in the second quarter, we expect to continue that in the third quarter.

And then circling back to the entrance fee community, there's not anything material between sort of Q2 and Q3. It did, of course, produce adjusted EBITDA, but in the scheme of Brookdale with our size and scale, it's just not material.

Great. That's helpful. And so I guess to summarize, so the kind of the core growth, the 5 to 10 sequential growth, that's really occupancy-driven and the leveraging of the fixed costs, right? That's the way to think about it.

And the expense management, the continued expense management.

Expense. So on the occupancy, right, so you talk about 10 to 10.5% REF PAR guide year over year. Right, so it seems like it implies occupancy growth about maybe 90 BEPS quarter for quarter. Is that in the ballpark? And I guess you did disclose that July occupancy increased 30 BEPS. So I guess that would imply that maybe you assume, you know, the other two months also growing a similar pace. So is that kind of the way to think about it? And also what gives you confidence that it could grow at this space. I guess in the prior two years, we saw some deceleration. I mean, I guess these were different years with higher sequential growth. But nevertheless, you know, we saw July being the strongest and then August, September being a little bit less than that. So how to think about this guidance for, you know, Q3 versus Q2 occupancy growth. Thank you.

Yes, Joanna, thank you. I would say that we're not guiding, we're not giving specific occupancy guidance for the third quarter, but I think your thought process is fair, particularly as you think about the rev pour pressure, the normal seasonality on the rev pour pressure, and then pointing back to, of course, the assumptions page in our investor deck where we have our historical high seasonal growth in the third quarter with the summer selling season.

And if I may, just last one on that slide, in terms of the non-development CAPEX, so that implies some deceleration there, sequential Q3 from Q2. So how should we think about it going forward in terms of CAPEX? I guess some of your peers talk about more redevelopment spending in the communities. So do you expect more CAPEX as you head into next year? Thank you.

What I'll say about CapEx is we spent a total of 120 million dollars in the first and second quarter net and so we had elevated CapEx because within those numbers remember we had Hurricane Ian and Elliot CapEx spend and we've spent a total of 24 million dollars of which we've gotten reimbursed nine million dollars of that and And so what you're going to see in the second half of the year is the remainder of our $200 million of non-development-capped backspend, so about $40 million a quarter, or $80 million for the second half of the year. And you'll also see that reimbursement come through in the back half of the year on the hurricane spend.

And we're just in the middle of our budgeting process for 2024, so we're not ready to go there yet. But at the appropriate time, we'll share our expectations for next year. and the continued growth that we have getting back to our pre-pandemic and beyond occupancy and margins.

Thank you.

Thanks, Joanna. Thanks, Joanna.

Our next question comes from Steven Balaket from Barclays. Steven, your line is now open. Please proceed.

Great. Thanks. Good morning, everybody.

Good morning, Steve.

So I think for us, Hey, good morning. So I guess just given some of the different trends witnessed this quarter across the industry on sequential occupancy trends across property type and thinking about AL versus IL versus CCRC, just curious if you can just provide a little more color on your sequential occupancy trends and outlook relative to these three different segments, especially in the context of the CCRC occupancy trending down a little bit. I know it's smaller for you guys, but just curious, just additional color across the different property segments. Thanks.

Yeah, it's a good question, Steve. What I would say is IL recovery has been sort of sequentially a little bit softer than the rest of the portfolio. And our CCRCs, we have a smaller number of communities. And so if there's anything that affects a single community in the CCRCs, it can have an outsized impact. Dawn talked about sort of Winter Storm Elliott earlier as it related to CapEx. We did have one of our CCRC communities that was heavily affected by Winter Storm Elliot, so that does have an outsized impact. And we also talked about some pressure that we were seeing in Houston. In Houston, one of our CCRCs is not performing the way that we would like it to, and so that also affects sort of the impact. But certainly we see strong growth in our memory care, and that is something that we would expect to continue.

Okay. All right. That's it for me. Okay.

Perfect.

Thank you.

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines. Have a great day. Thank you.