2/26/2021

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Operator
Conference Operator

Good morning and thank you for joining Builder's First Source fourth quarter and full year 2020 earnings conference call. Michael Neese, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations for Builder's First Source, will now provide the company's opening remarks.

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Michael Neese
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you, Keith. Good morning and welcome to our fourth quarter and full year 2020 earnings call.

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Operator
Conference Operator

I hope you and your families continue to remain safe and well. With me on the call are Chad Crowe, CEO,

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Dave Flitman, President, and Peter Jackson, our CFO.

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Operator
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Today, we will provide you an overview of our record fourth quarter results in full-year performance, discuss merger and integration highlights as Builders FirstSource and BNC come together as one culture and company, and how we are positioning the company for continued success in 2021 and beyond. Since we closed the BNC merger on January 1st, 2021, The results reported today reflect standalone BFS's record results for both the fourth quarter and full year. On the last page of the earnings release, we have provided select performer financial information to show the record results for the combined company as though they operated as one entity in 2020.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

A slide deck and this morning's press release are all available on our website at investors.blbr.com.

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Operator
Conference Operator

The results discussed during the call will include GAAP and non-GAAP results adjusted for certain items. We provide these non-GAAP results for informational purposes, and they should not be considered in isolation from the most directly comparable GAAP measures.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

The reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the corresponding GAAP measures were applicable, and the discussion of why we believe they are useful to investors can be found at the back of the press release and in the slide presentation.

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Conference Operator

Our remarks in the press release, presentation, and on this call contain forward-looking and cautionary statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act and projections of future results. Please review the forward-looking statement section in today's press release and in our SEC filings for various factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from forward-looking statements and projections.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

With that, I'll now turn the call over to Chad. Thanks, Mike. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us. I wanted to start by saying our thoughts remain with all those affected by the COVID-19 pandemic. We remain diligent in keeping our associates, suppliers, customers, and community safe. Safety will continue to guide our operating strategy. Our thoughts are also with our fellow Texans. It has been a challenging time over the past two weeks, and we wish everyone a fast recovery. DFS and DMC together had an incredible and transformational year in 2020. We could not have done it without all our dedicated team members. They are a true testament of excellence to driving growth while still meeting the needs of our customers in an unprecedented environment. I want to congratulate and thank them for everything they accomplished last year. We closed our merger on January 1st and have formed the nation's premier supplier of building materials and services with tremendous opportunity for continued growth. The transaction allows us to expand our footprint and enhance our local relationships in many of the nation's largest and fastest-growing markets. We are well positioned for long-term growth underpinned by resilient and expanding housing environment, as well as a significant capital base for M&A. We expect to deliver above-market growth through our shared commitment to growing our value-add offerings which allow us to closely partner and integrate with customers to streamline the construction process. In addition, this larger platform strengthens our ability to create and invest in best-in-class innovative solutions that deliver significant benefits to our customers. Our increased scale combined with substantial synergies will help drive EPS accretion and robust cash generation providing even greater resources to invest in innovation, technology, and operational excellence. We expect this housing environment to fuel profitable growth and value creation for all stakeholders for the years to come. Over the past several months, Dave and I have traveled to many regions of the country to meet with team members while adhering to our safety protocol. We also held a socially distanced town hall in our Dallas office and shared the video with all our team members. The feedback has been very positive. We are seeing firsthand that our former standalone organizations share a passion for partnering together to serve our customers, and now we share an excitement about our future opportunities as the new builder's first source. Dave and Peter will discuss the merger, integration, and specifics of the quarter and full year performance shortly. However, I would like to highlight the fact that legacy builder's first source achieved top and bottom line results for the full year of 2020. Net sales were 8.6 billion and adjusted EBITDA was 700 million, up 18% and 36% from the prior year, respectively. Before I turn the call over to Dave, I would like to thank everyone who supported me during my more than 20 years at Builder's First Source. When I joined BFS in 1999, it was, of course, much smaller, having only made a few acquisitions at that time. I couldn't have dreamed that this company would be where it is today, an industry leader, but more importantly, such a special place to work filled with incredible people and where I have developed lifelong friendships. To all our shareholders and analysts, thank you for supporting our team. I've enjoyed the time with you and hearing your perspectives. Builders FirstSource is in a very strong position, and it's the right time to pass the baton. I have total confidence in Dave, Peter, and the entire senior management team to lead this company into the next phase of growth and drive even stronger relationships with our valued customers. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Dave. Thank you, Chad, and good morning, everyone. This is truly a very exciting time for our combined company, and I want to start by thanking Chad for his dedication, guidance, and support during this transition. It's been a real pleasure working with you, Chad. Although you'll be around for a few more weeks, I wish you all the best as you enter retirement and embark on your next journey. I will, however, keep your number handy. As Chad said, we continue to keep those affected by the COVID-19 pandemic in our thoughts. The safety of our team members, suppliers, and customers is our number one priority, and we remain vigilant in this regard. As a combined company, we started the year with strong momentum, closing out 2020 with record fourth quarter and full year results at both EFS and BMC. I want to personally thank all of our team members for their hard work and relentless determination during this unprecedented year, which led to those outstanding results. I'll cover three important topics on today's call that we believe will ensure that our already very strong performance continues well into the future. First, I'll provide an update on why we remain bullish on the macro backdrop in our industry and our even stronger position in the industry following the completion of our merger. Second, I'll share our new mission, vision, and values, which are critical ingredients to our strong culture. And I'll unveil the updated strategy of our combined company. Finally, I'll bring you up to speed on our integration efforts, as well as the value capture opportunities we are seeing across the combined organization. The home building market remains strong, resilient, and growing. and an improved economic outlook for 2021 bodes well for our customers. We are bullish on the pent-up demand for housing amid what has been a long-term shortage of housing supply. Our analysis suggests coming into 2020, the industry has underbuilt since the last downturn by 2 to 2.5 million units. In addition, the U.S. added roughly 950,000 households in 2020. We believe there continues to be a long, long way of underbuilt and demographically fueled growth in front of us. Improving housing starts, historically low mortgage rates, and a shift towards single-family suburban living are all positive trends that continue to support demand for our products and services. Together, as a bigger, stronger competitor, we are well-positioned to capture a greater share of the increased demand in the single-family home market. As was the case with both legacy companies, we will remain disciplined in our pricing processes, and we will strike the right balance between profitability and volume growth, especially considering this highly constrained supply environment. We believe the strategic combination of our two great organizations is a transformational step forward for our teams, our customers, and our suppliers. Together, we have more than $12 billion in revenues and an excess of $1 billion in adjusted EBITDA. Even with our combined size and scale, we estimate our share in core product categories is only about 10%, paving a long runway of organic and inorganic growth opportunities for us in our $120 billion addressable market. We will benefit from our leading network of 550 distribution and manufacturing locations that span 40 states. That network includes 46 of the top 50 and 85 of the top 100 MSAs, covering most of the nation's fastest-growing regions. We have significantly enhanced our ability to serve as key high-growth markets in our south, southeast, and west regions, which represent over three-quarters of U.S. single-family housing starts and approximately 80% of our current combined revenues. We will leverage the power of both companies' operating systems to extend our competitive advantage in the market. We expect our scale will yield continued productivity opportunities this year in addition to our deal synergies. We are still in the early innings of this important work in both legacy companies, and we have meaningful opportunities to drive productivity and efficiency across the combined company. For those who don't know me, I am relentless when it comes to ensuring the safety of our team members. We have put many processes in place to protect our associates during the pandemic. And I'm also encouraged by the 12% reduction in recordable injury rates for the pro forma combined company in 2020. But to be clear, our goal is zero recordable injuries, and we have more work ahead of us to accelerate our progress towards achieving that goal. For my second topic, I'd like to take a few minutes to talk with you about our updated mission, vision, values, and strategy. The core team of leaders from both legacy companies work together to finalize the mission, vision, values, and strategic pillars that will serve as our guidepost as we continue to grow our share of customers in the specialty building materials production and distribution space. On page eight of the investor deck, You can see that our mission is to be the best supplier of building materials and services by having a people-first culture that delivers exceptional customer service and innovative solutions to help build more efficiently while at the same time creating superior value for our stakeholders. Also shown on page eight is our vision, which is to make the dream of homeownership more achievable for everyone, making Builders FirstSource the most valuable partner in the industry. And we rely on our values to guide our behaviors in achieving our mission and vision, safety, people, integrity, customers, and excellence, or as we like to say internally, spice, a blend of ingredients to produce a better outcome. Next, I'm excited to introduce the combined company strategy, which consists of four key pillars. is to expand our market penetration by leveraging and growing our portfolio of value added products and services. Second, drive operational excellence to improve our profitability, invest in innovation, and provide outstanding service to our customers. Our third strategic priority is to cultivate, build, and empower a high performing culture. And the fourth, we will continue to pursue a disciplined approach to strategic acquisitions with many opportunities in our pipeline and one of the strongest balance sheets in our industry. The investor deck has a slide that highlights the details of our strategy on page nine. Importantly, you should recognize that this strategic framework is similar to one shared by both legacy companies over the past several years. which just underscores my confidence that executing it well will result in strong and sustainable future top and bottom line growth. We will leverage our significant free cash flow generation to drive growth while preserving a strong balance sheet, enhance our double-digit return on invested capital, and return capital to shareholders. We have brought together two very strong companies with complementary capabilities and cultures. As we look ahead, I have no doubt that together we will be able to accelerate profitable growth for our customer-centric service model. Finally, I'd like to briefly share with you how our important work on integration is proceeding. Back in September, we officially launched our Integration Management Office, or IMO, a cross-functional team comprised of strong leaders from both organizations who are responsible for leading our integration efforts. In addition, executive sponsors were assigned to lead the nine functional work streams responsible for developing detailed initiatives to integrate, optimize, and transform the combined company once the merger was finalized. Back in October, we launched an organizational survey for both companies to better understand any cultural-related issues that might affect our success as a combined company. Encouragingly, the survey showed that the cultures of the two companies are remarkably similar. This, along with the fact that most of our associates have been through the integration process before, has given us a high level of confidence that our integration plan will be implemented successfully and on schedule. On day one, post-close, the teams came together to discuss growth opportunities and the many ways our combined company will create value from the merger. As I've said before and firmly believe, at the heart of this merger is growth, expanding our geographic reach in a highly fragmented industry, enhancing and growing our suite of value-added offerings and our market position, pursuing strategic acquisitions, and giving our people the resources needed to deliver results and grow their careers. Since we closed the transaction early last month, we have been seamlessly executing our plan, The integration is on track, and I feel even better today about our prospects for the future than I did in August when we announced the transaction. Over the next three years, I have complete confidence in our ability to deliver $130 to $150 million of run rate cost synergies, and we are on track to realize $60 to $70 million of those cost synergies in our 2021 results. Before I turn the call over to Peter, I would like to highlight one of our many valued team members. Beto Valdovenas, a trust production manager at our Colorado Springs location. Beto joined the company out of high school. And 19 years later, he is a top operator and a respected mentor. Thanks to his leadership, Beto's location earned one of the highest efficiency ratings of any trust plant at our company last year. Beto truly grew up in the trust world. His colleagues credit his success to his hard work, dedication, and incredible attitude. He is also a leader in safety, taking great pains to ensure facilities are clean and that everyone is well-versed in proper protocol. In large part due to his guidance, the Colorado Springs location has been accident-free for nearly 10 months. Thank you, Beto, and the many incredible associates who have made the first several weeks of our integration so smooth while continuing to maintain the superior quality of service that our customers expect from us. It's an exciting time at Builders FirstSource as we execute our strategy and remain focused on serving our customers, growing our share, capturing synergies associated with our merger, and driving shareholder value. With that, let me turn the call over to Peter to highlight our financial performance and our outlook for the year. Thank you, Dave. Good morning, everyone. I would like to start by thanking our team for the incredible results and focused execution during this unprecedented time. I will cover three topics with you today. First, I'll review BFS's standalone fourth quarter results. Then I'll discuss free cash flow, provide you with an update on our upsized revolving credit facility, and discuss our pro forma leverage And finally, I'll give you the roadmap for how we see the market and our outlook for 2021. Standalone Builder's first source had $2.5 billion in net sales in the fourth quarter, a 43.5% increase compared to a year ago. Core organic sales increased by 15%, while commodity price inflation added 26.5% to net sales. Our latest acquisitions completed during the year contributed to a net sales growth of 2%. Value added for organic sales grew by an estimated 10.8%, led by 16.9% growth in our manufactured products category and 5.3% growth in our window stores and millwork category. We continue to experience accelerated and stronger than expected demand across the country throughout the fourth quarter. As a reminder, the fourth quarter is typically the slower part of the home building season. Our gross profit of $669.2 million was an increase of 40% year over year. Gross margin of 26.4%, while slightly better than expected, decreased 60 basis points compared to the prior year period, primarily due to an inflation-driven shift in product mix towards our lower margin commodity products. SG&A as a percentage of net sales decreased 480 basis points to 18% amidst cost leverage on commodity price inflation, higher core organic sales, and continued strong expense control, which more than offset higher variable costs related to the increase in net sales. Adjusted EBITDA grew $147.8 million to a quarterly record of $257.1 million, an increase of 135%. The increase was primarily driven by organic sales growth across all three of our customer and markets and commodity inflation. Adjusted EBITDA margin improved to 10.2% of net sales compared to 6.2% in the same period a year ago. extremely proud of our team for delivering these very strong results. Our continued focus on and efforts to improve our mixed and carefully managed pricing levels supported our record gross profit, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted net income for the fourth quarter. Let's turn to our cash flow. For the full year, we generated operating cash flow of $260 million while investing over $260 million in working capital. We also invested $104 million in capital expenditures, including two new greenfield truss manufacturing facilities among several growth initiatives, as well as refreshing vehicles and equipment and investing in technology and automation to support operational excellence and increase sales volume. On a pro forma basis, the combined company's million, less capex of $181 million. Last month, we amended and extended the maturity of our existing $900 million revolving credit facility. The amendment increased total commitments by $500 million, up to $1.4 billion in total, while extending the maturity by an additional 26 months. The increase and extension of this facility provides us with an improved capital base that better represents our larger reach and scale going forward. Earlier this month, we gave notice that on March 3, 2021, $82.5 million of the 2027 notes will be redeemed at a redemption price equal to 103% of the principal amount of the notes, plus accrued and unpaid interest. At the end of the fourth quarter, our pro forma net debt was approximately 1.3 times our LPM adjusted EBITDA. In addition, we have no long-term debt maturities due until 2027. Our strong standalone and combined results in 2020 demonstrate positive momentum for the new builder's first source and the broader home building industry where demand continues to outstrip supply. Turning to our outlook, We continue to see robust underlying demand in the single-family and remodeling sectors. Most builders are seeing increased fire traffic and new home orders. Our business momentum continued in January, reflecting another month of double-digit sales and organic growth as compared to prior year period on a pro forma basis. Although housing stocks were strong in the fourth quarter of 2021, Home builders continue to experience an extended construction cycle. This shifts the timing of a new start to our sales as evidenced by houses under construction growth of approximately 17%. We expect this dynamic to continue throughout 2021 until home builders work through their elevated backlogs. As we see these backlogs providing a strong foundation for our business and the industry throughout 2021 and into 2022. We therefore expect net sales for the full year 2021 to be in the range of $13.9 to $14.6 billion, or an approximate 9% to 14% increase from our 2020 pro forma net sales of $12.8 billion. We expect adjusted EBITDA to grow 20% to 25% over our 2020 pro forma adjusted EBITDA. As Dave mentioned, we expect to realize $60 to $70 million of the cost synergies this year. The dimensional lumber index averaged $676 per thousand in the fourth quarter and hit two quarterly all-time highs during 2020. We have seen commodity costs remain at elevated levels in January and February, and futures have even reached new all-time highs. Despite elevated levels in 2021, we do anticipate commodity prices to normalize in the back half of the year. As in the past, we remain highly confident that we will successfully manage through the inflationary and deflationary environments and will exceed the guidance if commodity prices stay at elevated levels. Our outlook is based on several assumptions which are outlined in the earnings release, including growth in single-family starts across our geographies in the high single digits. While demand for single-family starts remains extremely high, we believe actual starts will be constrained by material and labor availability. Multi-family starts decline in the low single digits and R&R growth in the low single digits. Our free cash flow is projected to be in the range of $800 to $900 million this year. Our significant cash generation and low leverage gives us the ability to invest in growth initiatives and deploy value-creating capital. Our capital allocation plan includes reinvesting in the business in in both growth and maintenance capital expenditures. We also had a solid pipeline of M&A candidates. As you heard from Dave, we believe the long-term underlying industry fundamentals remain very healthy, as evidenced by strong homebuyer demand and continued adoption of value-added products. The factors under our control further support our ability to drive results in this environment. These include continued expense management, delivering deal-driven cost synergies, and ongoing operational excellence initiatives. With our strong, flexible balance sheet position, we have a significant opportunity ahead of us to continue to be a consolidator within our $120 billion addressable market. Overall, the new builder's first source entered 2021 on exceptionally strong footing, and we are excited to deliver another year of record results. So with that, operator, let's open the call to questions.

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Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask your question, please signal by pressing star 1 on your telephone keypad. If you're using a speakerphone, please make sure the mute function on your phone is turned off to allow your signal to reach our equipment. Again, please press star 1 to ask a question. We'll pause for just a moment to allow everyone an opportunity to signal for questions. We'll take our first question. for Mike Dahl with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Good morning.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Chad, Dave, Peter. Congrats to you guys and your whole team. Great to see that it comes to fruition. Dad, we'll miss you. Tremendous results. Going out on a high note.

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Operator
Conference Operator

First question is really around

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

I'm thinking through capital allocation just given it sounds like the integration so far progressing smoothly all the early days, you know, between the combined balance sheet already having relatively low leverage and then the cash flow guide you're providing. You know, some of the slides in here in your commentary make it seem like, you know, there's obviously still a long runway for growth via M&A and in some ways maybe, even more programmatic than it has been in the past.

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

So I guess I'm just thinking about, you know, how we should view kind of cadence of tuck-in M&A while you're integrating these two companies.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

And then also, given the excess cash flow, how you think about returning capital to shareholders. Great question, Mike. This is Dave. You know, we're excited about the balance sheet, as you point out. And as you heard Peter say, we have a lot of opportunities to invest capital inside the company to support our growth. You know, I love a lot of things about the culture of the two companies. You know, the millwork business that we have combined, the trust and off-site component manufacturing, both companies were investing heavily in those. We will continue to do that, including automation of our facilities. You'd heard me talk at BMC about that over time. Chad and Peter had also talked about that. So very good alignment around that. And as you think about just from a legacy BMC standpoint, 150 locations, which are now 550, you know, I get excited about that. I get excited about things like ready frame penetration and the opportunity to take that across the country and, you know, three times the number of facilities that we had. So a lot of exciting internal investment opportunities. To your point around M&A, you know, we got one of the strongest balance sheets here inside the industry. And that wasn't by accident, as you know, from both legacy companies' perspective. And you heard me say in my comments, you know, as excited as I am about our platform and our growth potential, we still have a relatively small share, and this industry remains highly fragmented. You know, as Peter said, we've got a strong M&A pipeline, and, you know, we're 57 days into the integration, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us here. But, you know, you will see us continue to be an aggregator in this industry over time because there's a lot of opportunities to do so and we're well positioned for that.

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks, Dave. And the second question, we're kind of a two-parter on the lumber environment. First, I guess I'm curious, your margin performance, the margin guide, it's very strong and clearly a number of things playing into that.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

I'm wondering just given the tightness in the lumber supply chain, as well as the backlogs that these builders are trying to work through, you know, has the relationship between commodity inflation and margin changed in a way that even in the more inflationary environment, you're able to achieve higher margins than you'd normally expect, just given the bottlenecks and kind of the urgency from the customers to get product on the job sites. The second part is just a clarification when you talk about normalization. I think there's a lot of different views on what normal may or may not be, given what's transpired. So in any sense of just You know, when you say normal, is that true long-term trendline price, or how do you think about, you know, what that normalization looks like in the second half? Another great question, Mike. I'll flip to Peter here in a minute, but let me just say, you know, as you've watched both legacy companies execute in what was a, you know, high inflationary environment and and then that deflation in 19 and just unprecedented inflation and supply constraints in 2020. We've got a lot of expertise around that and I have the utmost confidence that whatever the market brings our way in terms of inflation and deflation that we're going to do a great job of managing through that. And I think, you know, because of those challenges in the market over the past couple of years, I think we've sharpened our toolkit and got even better at doing that, which is what you see represented in the way we've executed on a margin basis here over the last couple of years. Peter, exactly right. The work that we've been talking about over the past few years on pricing management and training within the organization. I think it was true in BMC, just like it was for BFS. It really has come into play as you've seen such dramatic increases in the price of commodities, right? Our ability to react has gotten better. Our disciplines around the management of that has gotten better. And I think you've seen that in the gross margin results. I would also say that there's some truth to the idea that everyone in the industry to take stock of pricing more aggressively, right? I mean, this isn't something you could ever hope to protect your customer from when you're up 100 plus percent in some products. So certainly a respect for the need to change pricing quickly. And we participated in that. And I think we did, as you mentioned, far better than usual as a combination of those two factors. As for the long-term estimates, You're right on. We did revert to a long-term average. There's certainly a lot of debate about whether or not there's going to be a new normal. I think that's fair. There are some legitimate questions out there. But at the end of the day, you know, the game of prognosticating commodity prices is not one we really like to participate in. We've proven an ability to make money on the way up. We've proven an ability to make money on the way down. And for us, we think a modest forecast and a normalization in the back half of the year is just a smart and prudent way to communicate the business. And we're excited about the core. We think we've got a great platform here, and the growth we have for the year looks really, really fantastic. Okay. Yeah, fair enough. Makes sense. And that's great. Certainly seems like a lot of momentum this year. So thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

We'll take our next question from Matthew Bolling. With Barclays, please go ahead.

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Matthew Bolling
Analyst, Barclays

Good morning. I'd like to offer my congratulations to everyone and to Chad as well in retirement. So I guess first question, I guess on the guide, the core organic outlook, it seems like based on all the pieces you've given, you're implying kind of mid-single-digit organic growth within the 9% to 14% total. Peter, you mentioned completions and units under construction really ramping.

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

I think you said 17%.

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Matthew Bolling
Analyst, Barclays

And you even gave a little bit of view into 22 just in terms of confidence of having some builder backlogs driving that. So I'm just trying to reconcile that versus the mid-single digits and the expectation, I guess, cadence-wise that the growth should be sort of flatter or even down into the second half of the year.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. Great question, Matt. You know, I just say to Peter's comments earlier during the prepared remarks, you know, there's been an increasing challenge here to go from starts to completion based on what's been going on in the supply chain. You know, you look at lumber. We just talked about lumber. OSB is as tight as it's ever been. You know, even getting windows and doors and, you know, we've all talked about a lot of those challenges in the past, and the result of that has been just extension of the time from start to completion of the home. Now, having said that, you know, we're projecting starts in the upper single digits. You know, we are going to capture absolutely as much of the core organic growth that can possibly be had here. We're well positioned for it. Our customers have large backlogs, which underscores the confidence that Peter outlined in terms of our performance throughout 2021 and even into 2022, given the reality of where we are in the market. in many of these product categories, not improving from a capacity standpoint, you know, anytime soon. So we've got a lot of confidence in our performance, as you've seen. You heard Peter talk about a double-digit core organic growth year to start 2021. And, you know, we're going to outperform the market, regardless of what's going on. And like you said, the comps do get more challenging in the back half of the year, but I just want to reiterate our assumptions around both commodities and single-family starts are, you know, our attempt to give you a modest and reasonable, a thoughtful look at what we think the market can do given the dynamics at play. If the market does better than that, we're going to do better. I have no hesitation in saying that. We're just trying to give you what we think is a thoughtful view. We're certainly very bullish on the overall strength of demand. This is not a demand commentary. We think, you know, consumers are strong, trends are solid, we like what we're seeing, and that's sort of the hint you saw for 2022. The inability to deliver on the products that demand is asking for is really just an extension of the build cycle, and we think that goes very well for us and for the industry.

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Matthew Bolling
Analyst, Barclays

Perfect. No, and I appreciate the assumption there around, you know, quote-unquote normalization and

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

commodity and even the market as well as potentially leaving some room for upside if things stay elevated. So that is helpful.

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Matthew Bolling
Analyst, Barclays

I guess the second question is on value-add and manufactured products in particular. You talked about the really strong organic results there. It did accelerate after the past couple quarters. And then, Dave, you even just mentioned the expansion of ReadyFrame across the BLDR footprint. So I guess the question is just kind of linking those together. What are you seeing in manufactured products today? And then now that you've hit the gas pedal on the integration, what are some of the things we should look for in terms of expanding products nationally?

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. Yeah, great question. You know, I'm excited about it. As you watch both legacy companies perform here over the last couple of years, you saw continued penetration in leading the market down the value-added path, and I think in large part driven by the needs of our customers. You know, they're continuing to look for ways to get more efficient and productive, and that plays perfectly into our value-added offerings. And I think that was only exasperated here in the past six to nine months based on the strength of the markets. Some are supply chain challenges, so these builders need to get more effective with what they do, and we're pleased to have the offerings that we do. So we expect continued strong organic growth and penetration of the markets, and especially in markets that haven't historically been a component market. We think the time is right now. Waiver constraints are still very real, and I think we'll continue to fight those sort of challenges. And, you know, to your question around, you know, what to expect going forward, I think we've talked about, you know, our first priority here going forward is to invest in the strong growth opportunities that we have inside the company. And I'm not any more excited about any of that than our value-added offerings, including ReadyFrames. And so, you know, that's what I think you can expect going forward, which is a lot more of the same and the wherewithal to continue to accelerate that growth. Wonderful.

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Matthew Bolling
Analyst, Barclays

Well, thank you, and my congrats again to everybody.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Ketan Bandora with BMO Capital Markets.

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thank you. Congrats on a strong start. Maybe just coming back to ReadyFrame, is there a way to, you know, kind of, and I'm not looking for exact numbers, but is there a way to kind of, you know, size what kind of opportunity, you know, you have there to grow? And, you know, would that require any additional investments from your side to be able to capture that growth?

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, great question. And, you know, I can talk about RadioFrame for a long time, because in legacy DMC, we were continuing to invest in it, and we're excited about the growth, which, as we've talked about over the past, you know, couple years, have been, from a house penetration standpoint, in the double-digit You know, I would just tell you in legacy BMC in the fourth quarter, that house penetration was nearly 20% as we continued to grow strength and momentum. And the really exciting part about ReadyFrame and that investment to your question is, you know, it's a relatively minor investment. You know, we're talking about saws and, you know, some computer-aided design and capability, but it's a relatively minor investment to extend that across the markets and is in large part driven by the know-how of our people. to not only design, you know, the homes and put that in the ReadyFrame model, but also, you know, how we deliver it to job sites and unload it in a way that's very effective for the framers so they can do their work most efficiently. So minor investment as we extend it through markets, and we will continue to be aggressive at doing that.

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Got it. That's helpful. And then, you know, maybe can you talk about sort of, you know, any disruptions from, you know, sort of the recent storms that we've had in Texas, you know, how you are kind of managing, you know, given what has happened?

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, no, that's a great question. It's been a difficult time, obviously, not just for us, for the whole state. We had some interruption, as you might imagine. We had some shutdowns. You know, the initial read is that it's, you know, probably around 40 million in sales that were delayed as a result of those shutdowns. We'll see how it plays out through the rest of the quarter. For a company of our scale, obviously, that's not material, but it's impactful to the folks in the state. So we've done some work with our employees to make sure we're supporting them and those that were impacted. and we're continuing to bring all of our facilities back up, and they're running quite well now. As you can imagine, there's a lot of pent-up demands. There was anyway in a very, very busy market, and they're rolling. They're rolling hot right now. It's fun.

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Got it. Understood. I'll turn it over. Good luck through 2021.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Do we think it's going to last through 2021? Is that your question?

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

All I said was good luck as you move through the year. Oh, good luck. I apologize. Yeah, thank you so much.

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Operator
Conference Operator

We'll take our next question from David Manty with Baird. Please go ahead.

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Hi, good morning, everyone.

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Michael Neese
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Good morning. to approximately 135 million in total quarterly depreciation and amortization. I assume that most of that resides in SG&A in your combined P&L. Is there a piece of that depreciation that resides in cost of goods sold first off?

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

There is a little bit, yes, attributable to the manufacturing facilities.

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Michael Neese
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

bigger than a bread box, less than 10% of it?

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

That's a great question. I don't know if we've ever broken that out before. I don't have it handy on me. Okay. Yeah, maybe that's a good question. Okay. What I'm getting at here is I'm thinking about total SG&A with or without DNA as a fixed component of your operating expenses. Did you remind us what percent of the combined company SG&A is fixed versus variable in the very short term? Yeah. I mean, we generally talk about it as about 70% variable. So, most of that cost moves with the increasing and decreasing volumes. It's a bit less than that when we talk about the commodity-influenced component of growth, but certainly, The bulk of what we do is moved by the volumes. Okay. And DNA would be a portion of that 30%? Yes. Yes. And as we finish the purchase accounting, we'll have some updates for you on sort of what the dollars are going to be in those buckets. But as it stands, that's still a work in progress. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, we're just trying to work through the pro form this year. And then in terms of working capital, is your goal still to remain in that 12 to 13% of sales range? And here too, just to be clear, could you give us how you define working capital for that calculation? Yeah, so that 12 to 13% is not familiar to me. Maybe that was on the BMC side. The number we've used in the past is closer to 8 to 9. That's a number that includes capital receivables, inventory, and payables amounts. Now, obviously, that's gone down over time and will move as we look at the valuation of commodities in the current numbers. But just as a rule of thumb, that 8% to 9% as an incremental percentage for VW sales is the right way to think about it. Okay, got it. All right.

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Michael Neese
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you very much, guys. Good luck.

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Operator
Conference Operator

We'll take our next question from Colin Vaughan with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

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Matthew Bolling
Analyst, Barclays

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. So I just wanted to start on the EBITDA margin expansion. The guidance implies about 100 basis points in the EBITDA margin expansion. I was just told you can walk us through how this might show up on your P&L, gross profit, or XGA, and just giving where Longware is now on the capturing the synergies. Can you just talk about the cadence of this improvement throughout the year?

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Yeah, so generally speaking, we talk about the fall through on our incremental sales in that 12% to 15% range. Obviously, you'll see certain movements that will go above or below that, but that's a good rule of thumb for how our business grows over time. So that fall through as you see the expansion both in the underlying volume and in the commodities throughout the The year this year will fall through, and you'll see that gross margin and translate as we talk about the volume impact on SG&A will translate down into that EBITDA number. So to think about it more broadly, we like high prices. As a distributor, this is certainly a very good season for us, if you will, in terms of the prices we're seeing and the growth. The leverage of our business is quite strong. as you can imagine, so that's the reason that's driving that fall through to those very high numbers. We also do expect to see an increasing generation of synergies throughout the year, as well as an increasing generation of productivity savings and improvements throughout the year. I don't know if I would say it's a straight line increase, but for the purposes of this discussion, that's a reasonable way to look at it.

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Matthew Bolling
Analyst, Barclays

Okay, great. Thank you. And just on the lumber prices being at all-time highs, there's been a lot of headlines just about the impact on home prices and the ability of buyers to get appraisals. It doesn't seem to have an impact in the near term, but have you heard from any of your customers that things could slow down as we start to look out like six months to a year if lumber prices don't normalize? Or do they just think that the low interest rates and the underlying fundamentals in the industry from a demographic standpoint are can really sustain this even in this high lumber price environment?

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I think it's far more the latter. The demand is so strong. The problem is our ability to build the homes that people want as an industry. So while there could be on the edges some headwinds, but framing really isn't anywhere near an important part, as important part of the cost of the home as many other factors. So sure, there's a component there. we're seeing inflation in a couple of other areas that in the long term may drive demand down. But at this stage, I'm not sure we're going to be able to see it. And as time passes, I think we'll be able to fix some of the constraints in the industry that will normalize that as well, which I think will then feed back into a stronger demand profile as well. Great. Thank you, Nicholas. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

We'll take our next question from TQs with Truist. Please go ahead.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. On the DNA estimate you have for the year, the 540 to 550, how much of that is an ideal amortization? How much of it is just more traditional depreciation? Yeah, well, I mean, like I mentioned, it's still a work in progress, but a pretty substantial step up on the purchase accounting, as you can imagine, right? That'll burn off over as it relates to the valuations that we'll do as part of that person's accounting, we'll see a pretty substantial step up. Okay. And this was sort of asked earlier, but I just wanted to bear down a little bit more. With the EBITDA expansion you have versus the pro forma numbers projected here for 21, do you expect to see EBITDA margins up in every quarter, or is the comp in the fourth quarter so tough that we might see some degradation there? Yeah, you know what, that's a fair question. We do anticipate seeing increasingly difficult comparisons as you get through the year, right? You're looking at the beginning of the year, last year, pretty modest numbers across the board, and by the end of the year, looking at record commodities, record starts, you know, a lot of records in there, which has been pretty fun, I can admit. But, yeah, the cost will get harder in the back half of the year. The real question is what happens with commodities and starts. You know, there's the numbers that we've got laid out here would indicate some tough costs, but if things stay elevated, you know, it'll stay good. But overall, the year looks great. You know, a lot of confidence in both the overall industry and our performance. Okay, and final thing, thank you for all the pro forma numbers historically, both years and quarters. Those really help out. That's all for me. You're welcome. Thanks, Keith.

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Operator
Conference Operator

We'll take our next question from Trey Grooms with Stevens. Please go ahead.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Hey, good morning, everyone, and congrats to everybody on getting the deal done and Chad on your retirement, and best of luck to you.

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

So on the first question that I have is –

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

You know, I know your guidance hasn't included, historically hasn't included any sales synergies, you know, between the two companies. But, you know, like the rollout of ReadyFrame to more branches, more of the Builders First Source branches, examples like that, you know, where do you see potential opportunity for some benefits to the top line? you know, sales synergies or whatever you want to call them, you know, where you can benefit from the combined company, just areas. Like I said, I know you're not including it in the guide or in the synergy guide, but it seems like there could be some opportunities if you could just maybe update us on where you think there may be some low-hanging fruit. Yeah, thanks, Steve. And, you know, as I mentioned, we've got nine words. Trey, sorry about that, Trey. We've got nine work streams on our transaction here focused on integration. And one of those is growth, as you might expect. And, you know, we talked about ReadyFrame, but we're seeing a lot of opportunities. And as we talked about when we announced the deal, you know, one of the exciting parts about the deal is the fact that we will have a broader offering. And even in the local markets where we're individually very strong, you know, one of the other legacy companies might have been stronger in Millwork versus Components. And as we brought this thing together, you know, we're very excited about having that full breadth of offering across the footprint. So we're seeing a lot of opportunities like that in terms of, you know, growth potential across our value-added segments. You know, there's several others. But it's early days. You know, the team's working hard on it, and we're very excited about it. Okay. Thanks, Dave. And then last one for me is, you know, there's – you mentioned – earlier in the comments that there could be some inflation in some other areas. Of course, there's tightness in a lot of the different products out there outside of lumber. A lot of manufacturers of these products are out with price increases from wallboard to interior doors and roofing insulation. How are you guys looking at the inflation outside of lumber for this year relative to what we've seen in the last couple? Do you expect that to accelerate? What are you making in there? We do. There's certainly been enough increases across the board from different vendors that I think to think otherwise would be misinformed. There are There are a lot of reasons for it. Some of it is inputs. You know, some of it is cost of doing business. The other is, I think, just the recognition that we're chasing a nice strong number and capacity in the market is struggling to keep up. So people are trying to balance that price capacity, you know, that price volume metric. But it's certainly something that we – I won't say are happy about. It's part of what we do. We perform well in markets with strong pricing. So we are participating in that. We're making sure we stay disciplined about it, communicating with our vendors where we think it's maybe out of line, but for the most part, trying to be supportive to make sure we have an industry that can grow and continue to respond to the demand. All right. Cool. Thanks. And then last one. Sorry, I said last one earlier, but I actually do want to sneak one more in.

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

You guys, you know, talk about commodity normalizing in the back half.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

You know, and you've got a range here with your EBITDA range, you know, with the margins there. How would that look? You know, this commodity has surprised everybody. I say, well, maybe not everybody, but most folks. You know, the way that it's resilient and stayed up as high as it has through the winter and, you know, and it has accelerated. So if we don't see, if the commodity doesn't normalize in the back half, how does that change your outlook? Hey, Trey. Good and important question. Let me start, and then I'll flip it over to Peter. But I think, you know, for a number of reasons, I think, you know, the lumber questions here are starting to become less and less important, especially in our combined company. You know, first of all, as we've talked about, you know, we're both expert in managing through this cycle. And as you heard us say earlier, you know, we're real confident in our ability to do that regardless of what the market throws at us. You know, and a lot of things that we've talked about that we're excited about here, having the largest footprint in our industry here, broadest portfolio of products, the geographical reach with 550 locations, 85 of the top 100 MSAs, You know, and importantly, as you look at our millwork and components business, you know, that's more than $5 billion of the combined company revenues right now, and they're the fastest growing in the company. So linked back to our strategy, you know, growing those value-added components will be an important part of how we grow the company and how we continue to improve profitability. Not that lumber won't be an important part of what we do, and it always will be, but it's going to have less and less of an impact than what we do over time, right? And so I just want to get everybody's head calibrated. You know, that's one of the most exciting parts about this merger. You know, and I would just say we've got to stop thinking about what we're building here as a lumber distributor, right? We are a growth company and a fast-growing one at that. And I think, you know, time will prove that out as we go forward and drive this growth in areas that are non-commodity related. Yeah, no, great point. And we do pretty well at number two, which is, I think, the right way to think about it, right? Maybe not be the core of where we're headed, but we do well at it. And the short answer to your question, Trey, is you're right on. It is going to be a really nice tailwind if it stays high based on the guide that you were given, because the math will show, right? You're going to have a first-half growth, second-half headwind. If you look at just the math of the commodities and you take away the second half, Edwin, that's a great story. We'll look forward to enjoying that business, if you're right.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thanks a lot, guys. I appreciate the color. Good luck. Thank you, Mr. We'll take our next question from Ruben Garner with Benchmark Company. Please go ahead.

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thank you. Good morning, everybody, and congrats on the quarter, and good luck. Enjoy your retirement, Chad. Most of my questions have been answered. I guess just one kind of more macro level picture.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

In the past, BMC has been one to highlight the kind of falling footprint of you know, in the size of homes that are being built, whether it's because of new entry homes or just smaller homes in general. And I think there have been some signs that that might be reversing. Are you guys seeing anything there? What's kind of baked in your guidance? I missed it. Apologies. But any color you could give on that, that'd be great. Yeah, we can tag team this. I mean, as you point out, Ruben, I mean, the average square foot of the home has continued to fall. And I think that's accelerated over the past couple years just based on The entry-level or first-time, you know, step-up buyers, I think we're somewhere around 2,300 square feet at this point for the average home size. But as you've heard me say in Legacy DMC, you know, I don't really get concerned about the size of the home as long as it continues to fuel growth, right, in the industry. And I haven't met a start I don't like yet at this point. So as long as that, you know, holds up and continues to fuel growth, we're going to continue to penetrate with our value-added offerings. Yeah, and I think what you might be alluding to is the rumor and the rumblings that people are, that might turn, right? We're seeing folks that are more committed to the homes that they're sort of stuck in, right? So they like it a little bit bigger. They want that office where they can close the door, for example. So there's, I think, reason to believe that we may see the end of that shrinking of the home. I've seen it, you know, no data yet, but I think it's reasonable to think that's a real thing. And that will just sort of take away one of the little headwinds we were seeing in the industry and be a stabilizing factor. To Dave's point, though, we could still see an average decline just because I think the growth of the single-family starter home has been so strong, which is great for us, right? It's just a win for everybody.

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Perfect. And then, actually, I might sneak one more in. The cash flow that you're generating is obviously very – strong and the balance sheet is in great shape.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

I think you kind of touched on this earlier, but can you just maybe emphasize what, you know, if you're not able to get enough deals done, I guess, as a use of cash, what you might do with the excess as you move forward? Do you continue to build a fortress or do you think you'll get more aggressive in other ways to either return cash to shareholders or invest in the business? Yeah, we've got... A really nice position, like you said. Our debt as a leverage ratio based metric is quite low. We feel very good about the strength of our balance sheet. We tend to maintain that as a priority. Moving into the investment opportunities, Dave alluded to it, and I think we all feel good about it. You know, as we get to the cash generation point in our year, we'll have gotten through a lot of the initial stress of the integration and be in a stronger position to really be aggressive on some of those M&A opportunities that are out there. We really like the portfolio and think we have a lot of runway in front of us to consolidate the industry. And, you know, the short answer, if for whatever reason all those things don't ease up the cash, sure, the options are open, right? You've seen both companies buy back shares in the past, and we'll look at it. But right now, we feel like we've got the sights are full with great targets. Perfect.

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Congrats again, and thanks for the detail. Thank you. Thanks a lot.

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Operator
Conference Operator

We'll take our next question from Jay McManlis. with Wedbush. Please go ahead.

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Michael Neese
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Hey, good morning, everyone. I'm Chad. All the best.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Enjoy your retirement. Thank you, sir. Peter, on the lumber guidance, I'm just wondering, are you guys thinking that revenues, total revenues, first half may actually be a little bit higher this year than revenues in the second half if lumber prices start to fall back down? And then also, Are you hearing or seeing capacity increases or, I guess, capacity utilization getting better at your suppliers to have that kind of confidence for lumber just to be up zero to 10% this year? Yeah, I don't think that commodity is strong enough to skew sales from second half to first half. I mean, second half is historically stronger, so I think we should continue to see that. I mean, the answer on the commodity – sitting question, it's a good one. I mean, I'm of two minds, right? On one hand, some capacity coming online doesn't appear to be enough to pull the rug out from under it. But the counter to that argument of sort of bullishness on prices is that historically, this is not an industry that's held prices. It isn't. So I don't know that I want to be the guy to put my foot down and say, yeah, this time it's different. I haven't seen any evidence to prove that. So we're going to continue to put that sort of modest sort of reasonable number out there. And if it's better, then, you know, it'll be good. Got it. And then the other question I have, very strong results in multifamily in the fourth quarter, but then you're calling for multifamily to be down in 2021. Is what we saw this quarter just kind of finishing out some of those larger projects that were started in the 19 and that project activity is going to flow from here? Yeah, I mean, in context, multifamily is about 6% of our business, so it's pretty specifically focused on certain geographies and certain projects. There is a bit of exactly what you described, projects that sort of are concluding and the pipeline, while still good, looks to be maybe not as much of a positive contributor as it was last year, where the team really sort of did a really nice job of expanding the business and leveraging some of our capacity. That gets a little harder in this environment. I think we've all seen multifamily struggle a bit. We feel good about the business. We think there's still a growth opportunity there, but Just sort of line of sight, thinking it's going to moderate a bit. Got it. Thanks for taking my questions.

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Operator
Conference Operator

We'll go next to Alex Reigel with B Reilly. Please go ahead.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. Real quick question.

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

As it relates to your free cash flow forecast, which is fantastic, how should we think about working capital changes relative to, you know, the anticipation of commodity prices? coming back down to sort of normalized levels.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

I guess the question here is, how much could that free cash flow forecast vary depending on commodity prices? Yeah, you nailed it. That's a great question. The short answer is, our business being distribution-based is going to generate a tremendous amount of cash as sales decline, and that includes the value of commodities and any sales decline associated with that. So certainly do expect, given our stated belief or stated forecast, rather, that the commodity prices are going to come down. There is a component that's in there. It's Unfortunately, it's a little bit hard to put your finger on it. But to put it in context, we talked about the increase in working capital usage in 2020 being about $260 million in our prepared remarks. So just to kind of put it in context that that's directionally the types of numbers you'd expect to see when extrapolating that to the larger entity for a full switch back to sort of historical. Great. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. We'll take our next question from Kurt Yeager with DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

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Matthew Bolling
Analyst, Barclays

Great. Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Just one quick one on the capital spending side. Could you talk about any kind of notable projects you have slated for 2021 here?

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

And as you think about your capacity at present, particularly on the manufactured product side, How do you feel about your ability to supply increasing levels of demand as the market grows and perhaps those products continue to gain adoption? Yeah, I think you've been peeking into my ops reviews, so that's a good one. We've got... obviously a lot of facilities around the country right now that are focused on meeting the increased demand. A couple of factors there, obviously hiring being an important one, making sure we're running all the shifts we can, utilizing equipment fully. And in markets where even that's not enough, making sure we're bringing in the increased capacity on the equipment side that we need. So, you know, we talked a little bit earlier about the ability and the willingness and the desire to invest in organic growth for the company. That's the sort of tip of the spear, right? It's how do you react to make sure you've got the right trust equipment, door machines, saws, computer equipment to be able to chase that expanding use of value add while continuing to invest in the trucks and the core operations that we need. But you're absolutely right. We're focused on making sure we're reacting in those markets that are white hot. to have the capacity that we need. And it's, you know, the high quality challenge, right? Our high quality problem. All right. Thanks for the color, Peter. Good luck here at Q1, guys.

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Operator
Conference Operator

We'll take our next question from Steven Ramsey with Thompson Research Group. Please go ahead.

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Steven Ramsey
Analyst, Thompson Research Group

Hey, good morning, everyone. Quick question on the margin guide. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. It looks like the high end implies margins not stepping up with increased sales. If we're matching the high end of both sales and even a guidance, is that due to lumber? Are there any other factors there driving that?

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

um i don't know if i can point to a specific driver i think you might be just seeing the impact of multiple variables in the high and low end of the range the commodity is absolutely part of it as is the growth of various regions and the variables we put around that so i don't know that i have a hard answer for you okay great and then one other thing um not trying to get into specific guidance but just qualitatively

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Steven Ramsey
Analyst, Thompson Research Group

Starts time extending between starts to completion. Is this factored into revenue generation for 2021, but maybe helps support demand out in 2022 if this dynamic continues through the year?

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

That's right. Yeah, we, you know, we generally tell everyone that the best proxy for our long-term growth is that single-family starts metric, and it's true. The challenge is with the extension of that build cycle, you start to get a little bit of wiggle, right? It doesn't look as clean and it's a little harder to draw the line. So, we just wanted to point that out to everybody to say it's still the right number, but it will extend the time that we'll be able to enjoy the upside if that expansion of homes under construction continues out for a while. We actually think that's going to happen. So, you know, 21 into 22, And then, you know, as things, as we expect, continue to be strong, that gives us a nice runway. So, yeah, you're right. Excellent. Thanks.

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Operator
Conference Operator

All right. Final questions from Ryan Gilbert with BTIG. Please go ahead.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Hi. Thanks. Morning, guys. First question, Dave, I really appreciate your comments earlier about, you know, over time, lumber being, you know, a less important component of BFS's story as the value adder. business grows. But I think for the time being, it's still, you know, a relatively important piece of the story. So my first question is on lumber and, you know, just given the strength of demand that we've seen from home builders as you're, you know, writing fixed price contracts with the builders, are you noticing the length of time that you're fixing lumber prices compressing in the fourth quarter and so far in 2021? One of the things that has been a discussion is those fixed price contracts and the appropriateness of them in light of the market and market dynamics. Our observation is those appear to be falling as a percentage of the total, just given the way the market has evolved over the years. There's certainly something that, as you can imagine, we manage very closely to make sure people are living up to their commitments. We live up to ours as a partner in this industry. We've got, you know, the financial wherewithal to do what is right no matter what, but also making sure that both sides are living up to it. So that's something we're careful with. But more broadly, it's about the relationship with the customer and working with them in a way that's obviously good for the end customer and mutually beneficial and, you know, watching the evolution of the industry, it appears that that is something that is declining overall, but still, you know, an important material part of our business. Okay. Got it. Second question is just digging into sales synergies a little more, you know, I guess one dynamic that I've noticed in the field is that, you know, a builder would buy like a wall package from BMC or BLDR and buy trusses from a different distributor. And with the combined company, have you seen an ability or are you able to take advantage of, are you going after, I guess, your new ability to sell both framing packages and trusses to home builders? Or do you think that's a future opportunity for the combined company? Well, as you rightfully point out, I mean, it's early days, right? But, you know, as we talked about that growth work stream earlier, you know, we're excited about it. We see nothing as a deterrent in that. You know, we've not had pushback. And, in fact, our customers are equally excited about our combined offering in a lot of these markets. And so, you know, time will play out. But we're excited, see no roadblocks, and we think the future is very bright to continue to penetrate those markets with our offerings. Okay, great.

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Mike Dahl
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thanks so much for the time.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's question and answer session. At this time, I turn the conference back to Chad Crow for any additional or closing remarks.

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Chad Crow
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. We appreciate everyone joining the call today and for the continued support of our company. I'm personally looking forward to watching what this new management team and all of our incredible team members will accomplish in the years ahead. As you heard throughout the call today, There's a lot of excitement around the future of our company. I certainly share that excitement and truly believe BFS is in the strongest position it has ever been. I am proud to have been a part of this amazing journey over the past two decades. If you have any follow-up questions, please reach out to Peter or Mike. Thank you, stay safe, and adios.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. We appreciate your participation. You may now disconnect.

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