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spk00: Hello and welcome to Broadstone Net Lease's second quarter 2022 earnings conference call. My name is Sarah and I will be your operator today. Please note that today's call is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Mike Caruso, Senior Vice President of Corporate Finance and Investor Relations at Broadstone. Please go ahead.
spk05: Thank you, Operator, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today for Broadstone Net Lease's second quarter 2022 earnings call. On today's call, you will hear from our Chief Executive Officer, Chris Czarnecki, our Chief Financial Officer, Brian Albano, and our Chief Operating Officer, John Morena, who will be available for Q&A. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that the following presentation contains forward-looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties that can cause actual results to differ materially due to a variety of factors. We caution you not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements and refer you to our SEC filings, including our Form 10-K for the year ended December 31st, 2021, for more detailed discussion of the risk factors that may cause such differences. Any forward-looking statements provided during this conference call are only made as of the date of this call. I will now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Chris Czarnecki.
spk03: Thank you, Mike, and good morning, everyone. As we make our way into the second half of 2022, we continue to rely on our diversified net-lease strategy to generate consistent and predictable results for our shareholders. Despite a heightened level of macroeconomic uncertainty and persistent volatility in both the equity and debt markets, I'm pleased to report another strong quarter of results across all facets of our business. Before I dive into Q2 operating results, I'd like to take a moment to reiterate how our diversified net-lease strategy defensively positions us in today's dynamic market environment. As I've stated on previous calls, our diversified strategy uniquely positions B&L relative to many of our NetLease peers to perform across all market cycles and economic backdrops. Relative to other REIT sectors, NetLease has proven to be both defensive and resilient during periods of economic stress, and we feel that our differentiated strategy, well-constructed and highly diversified portfolio along with a fortified balance sheet, provides us the flexibility to navigate periods of dislocation or changes in cap rates by changes in cost of capital. Diversification provides both defensive and offensive advantages during challenging economic times. Our strategy continues to offer unique benefits during the current rising rate and inflationary environment. We are confident that our strategy positions us to achieve both defensive internal growth as well as consistent and accretive external growth in the face of current economic pressures. From a defensive perspective, our portfolio of 764 properties is comprised of 213 tenants diversified across 57 industries with no single tenant accounting for more than 2% of annualized base rent. Granular diversification coupled with strong weighted average annual rent escalations of 2% translates into consistent and reliable same store growth. Our portfolio has been deliberately constructed to withstand any single tenant credit event. Many of the industries in which we are invested are non-discretionary in nature and are better positioned to withstand economic downturns. In addition, while our portfolio is comprised of many non-investment grade tenants, hyperdiversification has proven to synthetically create a lower risk profile than a simple investment grade metric would otherwise indicate. I am pleased to report 100% of base rents were collected during the second quarter, and the portfolio was 99.8% leased as of quarter end. From an offensive point of view, having a wider buy box that includes multiple property types allows us to pivot quickly in response to sudden or dramatic changes in cost of capital. Clearly, the long-term cost of debt for all net lease REITs is considerably higher today when compared to year end. In addition, the cost of equity has changed year to date. for all not least REITs, but more specifically those focused on non-investment grade tenants. Ryan will provide details in a few moments on our capital markets execution and balance sheet strategy and how we have proactively managed this part of the business to position ourselves well for the remainder of the year. While cap rates in certain asset classes have experienced increases year to date, we have yet to see meaningful expansion in cap rates commensurate with the changes in cost of capital experienced year to date. During this period of dislocation, our diversified approach to investing has given us the ability to pivot quickly to maintain accretive spreads on new acquisitions. While we've been forced to be more selective given the environment, we're pleased with the opportunities that we have chosen to pursue year to date. During the second quarter, we invested $182 million in 15 properties at a weighted average initial cash cap rate of 6.4%. The leases include a strong weighted average lease term of approximately 20 years, and solid 2.1% annual rent escalations, translated into robust weighted average cap rate of 8%. Our diversified approach to investing has allowed us to adjust our capital allocation decision making in response to sudden changes in our cost of capital. While we closed many transactions during the second quarter that we're committed to in Q1, we are pleased with the meaningful expansion in our weighted average initial cash cap rate quarter over quarter. Although investment spreads are not as wide relative to where they were last year, were pleased with both the near and long-term accretion produced by Q2 transactions. Acquisitions completed during the quarter were more heavily concentrated to industrial opportunities at 82%, with a smaller percentage of retail and healthcare transactions at 11% and 7%, respectively. The heavier concentration to industrial during the second quarter helps to balance out a first quarter that included more restaurant and retail transactions. We were able to source several attractive opportunities this past quarter that I'm pleased to provide additional detail on. During Q2, we acquired eight industrial properties in five separate transactions for a total of $149 million. The leases include weighted average annual rent escalations of 2.2% and a weighted average 22-year lease term. These transactions include several unique opportunities, including the expansion of an existing tenants facility. Last year, we completed and announced a two property sale and leaseback transaction of a refrigerated food processing facilities located in Wisconsin. At the time of the initial transaction, the tenant was well underway with a significant expansion of one of the purchased facilities, which we agreed to fund a portion of the costs upon completion, which occurred in the second quarter. This unique opportunity to support an existing tenant as they invest in our asset and grow their business showcases our partnership-based approach to investing. In addition, we completed a sale and leaseback transaction on a portfolio of hardwood floor manufacturing and distribution assets during Q2. Properties are master leased and located across several attractive markets in the southeast. We were able to acquire these assets after several lever buyers dropped out of the process as financing conditions changed rapidly. We continue to see this theme occur in the industrial transaction market and are ready to execute as attractive opportunities such as this present themselves in the future. During the quarter, we continued to acquire several investment-grade assets leased to discount retailers, which are relatively insulated from recessionary and or inflationary pressures. We continue to view small one-off investment-grade transactions as an attractive complement to our larger sourcing efforts. Finally, we acquired a single-site medical education and lab facility for approximately $13 million. The state-of-the-art facility was designed and constructed by a leading national developer and is dedicated to the tenant's nursing and medical education programs. The lease includes a new 10-year term that commenced at the time of completion, as well as attractive 3% annual rent escalations. This opportunity was sourced through an existing developer relationship, and we're hopeful that the relationship will continue to yield additional opportunities in the future. Since quarter end, we've closed an additional $80 million of transactions and currently have approximately $71 million of opportunities under control, which we define as having and executed contract or letter of intent. With approximately $544 million of acquisitions either closed or under control year to date, or 73% of the midpoint of our current acquisition guidance, I'm pleased to reiterate our confidence in our current full year 2022 acquisitions guidance range of $700 to $800 million. The current market environment requires us to remain highly selective, but we are confident that our diversified capital allocation strategy will translate into an opportunity set that meets our risk and return expectations in the second half of the year. With a smaller asset base relative to many of our net lease peers, we're able to produce meaningful growth in earnings with relatively modest levels of acquisitions. I'll now turn the call over to Ryan to provide additional detail on our quarterly financial results, recent capital markets execution, balance sheet positioning, and our current guidance for 2022.
spk06: Thank you, Chris, and good morning, everyone. During the second quarter, we generated AFFO of $62.8 million, or 35 cents per share, which represents approximately 6.1% growth over per share results from the same period last year. AFFO per share was flat quarter over quarter when compared to Q1 2022, which is largely driven by the revenue generated from late Q1 acquisitions offset by accelerated equity raise that has de-risked our capital markets execution in the back half of the year. Acquisitions completed during Q2 were predominantly closed in June and are expected to serve as a tailwind to our Q3 earnings. During the quarter, we incurred $9.3 million of total general administrative expenses, which includes $7.9 million of cash expenses, consistent quarter over quarter. Turning now to our balance sheet activity during the second quarter, we are currently experiencing an environment where investors are concerned about inflation, rising rates, and the potential for recession, and we remain focused on navigating this dynamic market backdrop through proactive capital markets activity to maintain balance sheet strength and flexibility. During Q2, we sold 3.2 million shares of common stock under our ATM program at a weighted average sale price of $21.42 per share for net proceeds of $68.3 million. As of quarter end, there was approximately 166 million of capacity remaining on our ATM program. We ended the quarter with leverage of 5.3 times on a net debt to annualize adjusted EBITDA RE basis and remain committed to our conservative leverage profile of less than six times. Equity issuance in the first half of the year has provided the leverage capacity and liquidity to fuel additional selective accretive growth opportunities in the second half of the year. We intend to continue to opportunistically utilize our ATM to effectively manage our leverage profile via the match funding of acquisitions. In addition, we continually evaluate alternative equity raise methods available to us and are prepared to execute as pricing dynamics make sense relative to our pipeline of acquisition opportunities. On August 1st, We entered into two new unsecured bank term loans, including a $200 million five-year term loan that matures in 2027 and a $300 million seven-year term loan that matures in 2029. Borrowings on the new term loans bear interest at variable rates based on SOFR plus a margin based on our corresponding credit rating. The applicable margin commensurate with our BBB and BAA2 investment grade ratings was 0.95% and 1.25% for the five-year and seven-year term loans, respectively. Proceeds from the term loans were used to repay in total our $190 million 2024 unsecured term loan and a portion of the outstanding balance on our revolver. Given the current state of the investment-grade bond market, we turn to the unsecured bank market to both lengthen our maturity profile at attractive relative pricing and provide additional runway until conditions in the debt capital market stabilize. We currently have no significant debt maturities until 2026. While we remain committed to being a repeat issuer in the investment-grade bond market in the future, we believe Accessing the bank term loan market at this time was a prudent long-term decision that provides a high degree of flexibility and aligns with our current growth objectives. For fiscal year 2022, we are narrowing our ASFO guidance range to $1.38 to $1.40 per diluted share, which represents an implied growth rate of 6.1% at the midpoint over our 2021 results of $1.31 per share. This revision to our full-year ASFO guidance is driven primarily by the acceleration of our capital markets activity during the first half of the year. Although these proactive and strategic capital structure decisions create a modest short-term drag on earnings, we believe de-risking the balance sheet today will allow us to continue to execute on our growth objectives in the pursuit of long-term shareholder value creation. This guidance range is based on the following key assumptions. Acquisition volume between $700 million and $800 million, which remains unchanged. Disposition volume between $75 million and $100 million, which remains unchanged. And total cash G&A between $31 million and $33 million, which remains unchanged. As a reminder, our per share results for the year are sensitive to both the timing and amount of acquisition, disposition, and capital markets activity that occur throughout the year. Finally, at our board meeting held on July 28th, our directors declared a 27 cent dividend per common share and OP unit to holders of record as of September 30th, payable on or before October 14th. We continue to evaluate additional future increases to our dividend with our board on a quarterly basis. With that, I will turn it back over to Chris for closing remarks.
spk03: Thanks, Ryan. I want to close today by reiterating how this quarter shows some of the key principles and North Stars of how B&L has operated and how John and Ryan and I think about running this business for the long term. First and foremost, we will always maintain a very diversified defensive portfolio that supports our base of operations and allows us to grow. Second, committed to maintaining a strong balance sheet and thinking long term as evidenced by the seven-year term loan that we completed just a few days ago and the pull forward of equity. The short-term trade-off that comes from this is something that we will make over and over again as we think on a long-term basis of what's best for the company and our shareholders. And finally, you see very clearly our ability to pivot and the value that comes from our flexible acquisition strategy. The Q1 versus Q2 difference and our going-in initial cash cap rates of 70 basis points is the strongest in the space, and that is reflective of our ability to move as market conditions change. and ultimately drive the best possible risk-adjusted returns for our shareholders. These three factors to me are cornerstones of how we run the business and then support an exciting and interesting back half of the year along with a very robust pipeline. And so I want to reiterate those factors as to why we think BroadStone is the right net lease company for today's environment. With that, operator, you can open the line for questions.
spk00: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to remove yourself from the queue, you may press star 1 again. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from the line of Ki Kim with Truist. Please go ahead.
spk08: Thanks, Anne. Good morning. Can you just describe the acquisition environment, what is the serving change in bidder or pricing, and how you might progress for the remainder of the year?
spk03: Hey, Keevan, would you mind repeating that? It got a little choppy on our end. I think you were asking about the acquisition environment, but if you just repeat it so I make sure we hear your question, that would be great.
spk08: Yeah, sure. If you can just talk about the acquisition environment, changing your pool of pricing, and how you think about this progressing throughout the remainder of the year.
spk03: Sure, absolutely. Maybe I'll start off and I'll give it to John to talk a little bit more as well. I think from a very high level, a very strong positive that we feel great about is that transaction volume and things that fit our buy box have remained very robust. And we've talked about it on previous calls for the past year or so that the transaction opportunity set has been very strong. To put a little bit of math around that, we've underwritten through the second quarter something north of more than $4 billion than we did last year. So that's a significant increase for our size of our company. And so that has been a net positive that allows us to both be very selective as we're working through this uncertain environment, but also still keep an active pipeline. That's very exciting. And then relative to where our cap rates came in at a 6.4 for this quarter and what's been driving that, I'd say that there's three factors that are ultimately impacting it. Obviously, market dynamics and the competitive set is different than it was a few months ago. We've clearly seen the levered buyer, the PE-backed buyer, the secured financing buyer all generally exit the market, which has created a little bit of cap rate relief for us and ultimately allowed certain asset classes to look more attractive. So you saw that very clearly with the non-investment grade industrial space, manufacturing, food processing, things like that. You also see the cost of capital for those who are still active being different, and that is changing return expectations and ultimately how transactions are being bid. And those two dynamics have created some interesting backdrops to the market. In certain transactions, we are seeing bid ranges across a number of sophisticated parties being 100 to 150 basis points wide. So that means you could have some folks coming in at a six cap and some folks coming in at a seven and a half cap. And that's an interesting backdrop for the market as well. And then I'd also couple that up with there's a number of transactions that continue to come out with a certain structure or a certain set of return expectations or parameters around it and ultimately might come back two or three more times as a certain buyer chooses not to perform or is unable to perform. And so those are opportunities, obviously, for stable and established companies with a strong reputation like BNL to be able to execute. The last piece of it is clearly our ability to pivot and move between asset classes. And you saw that pretty clearly this quarter with our move back into industrial in a more significant way. Whereas in Q1, we were very heavily weighted towards retail and restaurant. And so, you know, putting all those factors together, that's really what drove the cap rate differential we saw between Q1 and Q2. I'm not sure I can, you know, parse each one. component of that and tell you one was good for 20 basis points and one was good for 10. But those are the factors that we see impacting the acquisition market as we sit today. Again, that pipeline and that size of opportunities does give us a lot of excitement for the back half of the year. So we feel really good about being able to execute within our guidance range. And if there's opportunities to go beyond that, we can do that as well. And maybe I'll kick it to John to just talk a little bit more granularly about what's going on in some of the individual property sets But we ultimately feel pretty good about being able to execute where we are on a going-in basis today and through the rest of the year.
spk01: Yeah, so to carry forward from where Chris was, you know, we are currently on pace to evaluate about $30 billion in opportunities this year, which is a significant increase over us from even a historical high from last year. The market remains stable. Very competitive, but we think that that plays to our strengths with a diversified and differentiated investment strategy. Our ability to pivot between these asset types, industrial, retail, restaurant, healthcare, we think is unique in this space. And as Chris said in his remarks, you can see that play out in that 70 basis point increase in gap rate from Q1 to Q2. We continue to see great opportunities for us with our investment strategy, as well as the discipline, execution, and underwriting standards that we employ in that mid-six range up to the high seven. So we expect to continue to play in that space. Industrial, in particular, is an area where there's a lot of activity, some great opportunities in the pipeline. And we hope to see some additional in the healthcare. That's always been something we've talked about this year as being a little bit light. Retail and restaurant continue to have some good opportunities as well. But with our strategy, we think the second half of the year is going to be really interesting, and we hope to be able to opportunistically execute on some additional growth on the back half of this year from where we stand today.
spk08: And a second question. How do you guys think of the balance between raising equity to fund your acquisitions versus selling additional assets? Obviously, the sector and stock prices have been a little bit pinched. If you just raise equity to buy assets, the spread is smaller. I'm just curious how you think about handling those different avenues. Sure. We'll kick it to Ryan for that.
spk06: Sure. Look, as we think about the portfolio, we have certainly thought about dispositions before and maybe a little bit of a different light today, but not too different. Frankly, we're always pruning assets that are lower performers. That's our main disposition strategy. As we think about assets that exist in the portfolio that we could sell and positively recycle capital, you take that, you think about the frictional costs associated with it and the fact that we really like these assets and want to hold them for the long term. We don't see a very meaningful way to recycle capital through dispositions. versus our ability to raise equity today at various pricing levels and put it to work in an accretive manner. So when we weigh those two things out, we certainly look at it, evaluate it like anybody should from a capital allocation perspective, but feel very comfortable with funding acquisitions through equity rather than shrinking the portfolio and incurring a bunch of frictional costs related to assets that we want to own for the long term.
spk08: Okay, thank you.
spk00: Your next question comes from the line of Michael Gorman with BTIG. Please go ahead.
spk04: Yeah, thanks. Good morning. Chris, I was wondering if you could just talk for a minute about how you're approaching your underwriting and as you look at this portfolio of deals that you have out there in this pipeline. A lot of discussions in the REIT sector, obviously, about the changing cost of capital. for buyers in the market, but I'm wondering how that changing cost of capital is having an impact on the tenants and maybe how you're thinking about underwriting different financial strengths and different financial structures of your tenants given the volatility in the capital markets.
spk03: Yeah, absolutely. I think that where we sit today relative to history probably isn't dramatically different. I think we've been always very downside-oriented in thinking about our tenants' financial health and picture. Probably the difference and the biggest change of where we sit today is obviously putting a closer lens on retail or restaurant sectors where you know, you clearly could see some incremental pressure on the consumer and making sure that, you know, we're acquiring the highest quality, highest performing sites possible in a portfolio and, you know, perhaps doing a little bit more up-tiering in that regard. But, you know, in terms of just underwriting through regular way industrial or healthcare, the philosophy is very much the same. Our credit risk team spends a lot of thoughtful and diligent time in conjunction with our acquisition team stress testing each tenant we're underwriting. So one of the most common bullet points in an acquisition memo is that they've gone out and stress tested rates rising across the debt stack of a tenant by 400, 500 basis points. And what does that do to their fixed charge coverage and their ability to meet their obligations? And then also looking more carefully at, you know, downside margin compression that could occur and, you know, the same sort of math of margin compression being 10 or 20 percent. And what does that ultimately do to, you know, the tenant's overall set of obligations? And so I think a lot of that, which is embedded in who we are and how we've been able to collect and have such a strong portfolio on a non-investment grade basis for the last 15 years is just a heightened focus on those type of metrics today more than ever. And then obviously thinking about tenants, refinancing risk in the same way that we spent a bunch of time talking about our refinancings today and trying to make sure that we push out our debt maturities as long as possible, looking at the capital stack and understanding where a tenant might have future refinancing risk in the next two, three, four years. Most of our tenants have a pretty good handle on that and are pushed out a number of years, but that's always a discussion topic as well. So I think those factors are all what we're focused on today more than ever.
spk04: Great. That's helpful. And then maybe even specifically on the industrial side, as you've started to see this wider bid range and as you've seen some of the transactions increasingly coming back to market, are you starting to see sellers accepting not the top bid for the certainty of close? So when you enter some of these, are you winning transactions where maybe you're not the top bid just because of your reputation as being able to close and close on time?
spk03: Yeah, I love examples. I'll let John give examples because I'm sure he's got a view from that hand.
spk01: Well, I'll just say absolutely. We absolutely are winning deals because of that, with a 15-year track record of surety to close and not having financing contingencies and also having a reputation in the market with brokers and sellers that we make sure that when we have signed up a deal that we have integrity around the terms that we've underwritten, that we have done the work that we need to do to ensure that Unless there's some real unknown that comes up during a diligence, we are going to close. And that matters in this market, particularly in comparing us with folks that are coming in with financing contingencies or with a slightly shorter track record or no track record at all, where sellers are looking at it and saying that this is a key part of their business operational and financing strategy, and they want to make sure that they're going to have that cash in hand at the end of this deal. So that absolutely has played a part in our ability to execute on these transactions.
spk03: I would also say it's about walking the walk or talking the talk. We continue to honor what we've set out for. We closed an industrial transaction in early July that we picked up and shook hands on in March, and it took a while to close. We honored the spirit of that deal and put it up price differently today, probably, but you know, for a repeat partner that we knew really well in a long-standing brokerage relationship, it was far more important for us to be the steady hand during this time than to, you know, squabble over an incremental change there. And so I think that will continue to serve us well. And as John said, it's happening every day with opportunities that we're, you know, going after in today's environment. So...
spk04: Okay, great. And then maybe one for Ryan, just sticking with the financing side of things, completely understand, especially in this market, wanting to take care of pending maturities. And I just wonder how you think about it, right? 2024 is certainly probably further out, I think, than a lot of other folks would be thinking. But how you balance out potential interest rate drag in the short term versus how far out you're looking at extending maturities and should we take this as some type of indication of your thoughts on where rates are going over the next two to three years or where you think access to capital is going over the next two to three years as you think about your capital stack?
spk06: Sure. I think maybe if I sort of reference back to previous conversations, even last quarter's call, I believe we talked a little bit about The fact that we didn't need to go out to, say, the bond market or a more permanent financing source until maybe late this year or early next year, it would really be driven by the pace of acquisitions. Our pace of acquisitions has been very solid, and we're excited about that. We're also very excited about the term loan execution that we just recently had. As always, we're really assessing all forms of our debt capital. And as you pointed out, the bond market itself has been a bit choppy and dislocated. And frankly, there hasn't been a retail executed since I believe April at this point. So as we sort of thought through where rates are, where rates may be headed without really taking any long view other than the fact of shoring up our balance sheet, creating liquidity and locking in permanent financing, we saw an opportunity while discussing unsecured term loans with our banking relationships. And due to the strength of our banking relationships, we did identify the fact that we were able to access a seven-year term loan. So what we just did was a $200 million five-year term loan and a $300 million seven-year term loan. That seven year is not all REITs can access that seven-year timeframe from a term loan perspective. And from an overall pricing perspective on an all in kind of swapped out basis, you're talking say high threes on that seven versus the alternative in the bond market of, uh, you know, call it mid fives on a seven or 10 year. So to us, it was a no brainer, lock it in today, um, lock in the cost of capital from a debt perspective, put it out into a more permanent financing source. And if that meant a little bit of, uh, interim drag or near-term drag, that was a no-brainer that we decided we would take all day long.
spk10: Okay, great. Appreciate the call, guys. Thank you. Thank you.
spk00: Your next question comes from the line of John Kim with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
spk09: Hey, guys. Good morning. It's Eric on for John. Just kind of sticking with the theme of capital markets. On your new secured or unsecured facility, you know, is that, is the reason to keep it variable just a better sense to give you more flexibility in the market today than versus swapping that facility?
spk06: Sure. Maybe I'll just add a little bit of color. So of the $500 million total term debt, we used $190 to pay down our 2024 term loan. which was already swapped out. So with our balance sheet, we have a pool of swaps that, a pool of swaps and a pool of unsecured bank debt, which removes the majority of that variability. So 190 is already swapped out. You know, at this point, we're evaluating fixing out the new term loan exposure, meaning 300 or 310 rather. Um, for five to seven year tenors. Um, and that's the all in rate that I was referencing. So, you know, we're, we're evaluating that right now and, and likely look to fix some of it out.
spk09: Oh, perfect. Thanks for that. And then, and then maybe one on the watch list, um, how has your view changer at all, you know, kind of given the current, um, environment today, you know, is there anything that has been added or removed?
spk10: Okay, I'll take that.
spk06: In terms of the watch list, I'd say there's been no real material change since Q1. Only a handful of tenants on it. Obviously, we continue to monitor them, and they have varying degree of changes in terms of strength or weakness associated with them. But overall, nothing new specifically from a tenant perspective has come on or gone off in any meaningful way from one quarter to the next. I'd say maybe to sort of piggyback off of one of Chris's points from a thematic perspective, we're clearly looking at the market backdrop, the uncertainty, the inflationary pressures, supply chain related dislocations, and trying to understand how that really impacts each of our tenants. So one area that we certainly have focus on is consumer discretionary spending. Where does that impact our portfolio? And how do we see that play through? You know, Chris had referenced the restaurant space. We're keeping an eye on that and a few other sort of consumer discretionary focus spaces. But overall, that's more thematic. No actual tenant identified that would make its way to the watch list at this point.
spk10: Okay, great. Thanks, guys. I'll leave it there.
spk00: Your next question comes from the line of Ronald Camden with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
spk07: Just a couple quick ones. Just going back to the question on sort of the bank loans, asking it a different way, debt to EBITDA was 5-3 at the end of the quarter. Just how high are you willing to let that go as you sort of evaluate opportunities before you have to come back to the equity markets?
spk06: Sure. You know, as we think about our leverage, I think I've said that we're comfortable sort of operating in that low to mid five zone. So we're certainly comfortable operating in the mid fives. And, you know, I think from one quarter to the next, we were 5.1 to 5.3. We raised some equity off of the ATM subsequent to quarter end. We've also identified deals. So I'd say you know, that mid five zone still feels very comfortable to us in this environment.
spk07: Great. And I missed the opening comments of Huggies if you covered, but, you know, sort of the acquisitions in Canada last quarter, maybe can you talk about just what the opportunity says is that market, what's it looking like and so forth?
spk03: Sure. You know, Ron, we continue to think about Canada as excluding the portfolio we did last quarter, um, as, as complimentary to what we're doing. I think this quarter we looked at two industrial portfolios and we're pretty active and neither of them came to fruition, but they, they were sort of a three plus one as our internal joke. It's three us assets and one Canadian asset. Um, and, um, we've, um, That seems like that's a good spot for us to continue to differentiate ourselves and add value to a bidding process where a purely domestic buyer would only be focused on the U.S. assets, whereas we can provide a holistic solution through a sale-easeback transaction. And then we also continue to have some dialogue with tenants who are looking at space in Canada as well. That is sort of where we are for the rest of the year. We also continue to explore if there's more opportunities across the retail verticals within Canada, but that's a little bit more preliminary at this point. So generally focus more on those sale-leasebacks where we might pick up an incremental asset or two as part of a larger portfolio or a diversified portfolio as a way to differentiate ourselves in a competitive landscape.
spk07: Great. And then my last one was just on cap rates, just where are you seeing the most sort of widening And, you know, sort of you guys have the opportunity to look at a lot of different buckets. Where are sort of the best opportunities right now for the increments of the hauler? Thanks.
spk03: Sure. Yeah, I think we talked a little bit about it in the early part of the call, but certainly I've seen more widening in the non-investment grade industrial space. So, again, taking distribution out of it, but the light manufacturing, food processing has seen some of that widening. And then Secondarily, on the non-investment grade retail, that has also widened out a little bit. Healthcare for us this year, which is sort of our third vertical, has been a little bit quieter, so we're not ready to call any dramatic pricing movements there. And the investment grade retail space, maybe a little bit of widening, but has also hung in there because the 1031 buy has been pretty strong. for the incremental dollar and where the pipeline is today, more heavily weighted towards that non-investment grade industrial space, which is, I think we were looking at yesterday, something like about half our pipeline right now with the other three verticals being fairly equally weighted after that for the remainder.
spk10: Helpful. Thank you. Thanks, Ron.
spk00: If this concludes the question and answer session, I will turn the call to Chris Czarnecki.
spk03: Sounds good. Thank you so much, everybody, for joining us for our second quarter earnings call. We continue to appreciate the support of all of our investors, and we wish you a great end of the summer, and we look forward to being back in front of you with strong Q3 results in early November. Bye.
spk00: This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect your line.
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