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spk05: Good day, everyone, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Bank of Hawaii Corporation second quarter of 2021 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants lined are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. Please be advised that the conference is being recorded. If you require any further assistance, please press star 0. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, the Head of Investor Relations, Ms. Janelle Higa. Please go ahead.
spk08: Thank you, and good morning, good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. On the call with me this morning is our Chairman, President, and CEO, Peter Ho, our Chief Financial Officer, Dean Shigemura, and our Chief Risk Officer, Mary Sellers. Before we get started, let me remind you that today's conference call will contain some forward-looking statements. And while we believe our assumptions are reasonable, There are a variety of reasons that actual results may differ materially from those projected. During the call, we'll be referencing a slide presentation as well as the earnings release. A copy of the presentation and release are available on our website, boh.com, under Investor Relations. And now I'd like to turn the call over to Peter Ho.
spk17: Great. Thank you, Janelle. Good morning or good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining in. As is our custom, we'll go through marketing additions here. In the islands, I'll then turn it over to Dean, who will walk you through our financials, and then Mary will touch on credit, and then we'd be happy to take your questions for the quarter. If you look at the unemployment slide here, you see that the economy here in the islands is steadily improving, really being driven by a nice improvement or regaining traction in the visitor industry. as well as improvement in what we call the local economy. UHERO's economic pulse indicator, which is a high-frequency aggregation of numerous data points, has basically the local economy now at 72% versus pre-pandemic levels. A quarter ago, I think we reported 62% to you, so it's a nice improvement there. And you see all of this relating into better unemployment rate. So unemployment now is down to 7.7%, the fifth consecutive month of declines. The real estate market here in the islands, like many markets, is very strong. Oahu's single-family homes were up in terms of sales 49% June versus June a year ago. Median sales prices were up 27%. and inventories are very constrained. So median days on market are down 60% from a year ago to eight days, and months of inventory is down 52% from a year ago to 1.2 months of inventory. The condominium sector here on Oahu, similar story, a little bit more muted though, but sales up 134% June on June. Median sales price is up 9%. and inventory conditions very similar to the single-family home market. So a very strong real estate sector here on Oahu and generally throughout the Hawaiian Islands. The visitor industry, as I mentioned, is doing quite nicely. So you see this chart here, really since the relaunch of our safe travels program, visitor arrivals have increased substantively. basically now approaching pre-pandemic levels. Airlift is a great story. In June, actually, we had 1,027,000 seats into the islands, which is a 14.3% increase from June of 2019. And July and August forecasts are even more robust than that. So the airlines are doing their jobs well. Arrivals are looking good. The most recent data we have from the Hawaii Tourism Authority has arrivals at 74% of 2019 levels, so pre-pandemic levels. Visitor days at 83% of pre-pandemic levels and expenditures at just under 80% of 2019 levels. And we have reason to believe that the balance of the summer, June, July, and August should eclipse those numbers as well. Hotels are doing quite nicely. As of June, we're back up to about 97% of our room stock back in service. Occupancies are running at 77% statewide versus 84% pre-pandemic in 2019. Average daily rates are very robust at $320 for June versus $280 in for the same month of 2019. So if you can believe it, RevPar, our revenue per available room, is actually higher as of June of this year than it was in June of 2019 at $246 per available room versus $235 per available room June of 2019. So very strong performance in the hotel sector. And forward bookings, just talking to a number of professionals, in the industry seems to be very strong as things stand right now. The COVID condition here in the islands is reasonably good. Rolling seven-day averages have us in the top half of the country, although we are concerned, like most other marketplaces, over the emergence of the Delta variant. And vaccinations, for the most part, have gone well. So we're in the 36th percentile of the country, and hopefully, obviously, like most marketplaces, we would love to get that number higher. So that's the synopsis of the marketplace, and now let me turn the call over to Dean, who can walk you through the financials. Dean?
spk21: Thank you, Peter. Growth from core customers remained solid in the second quarter. Core loans net of PPP waivers increased by $113 million, or 1% in the quarter, and by $250 million year-over-year. Waivers on PPP loans have accelerated and resulted in a net decline of $212 million in the quarter. Our strong deposit growth continued, increasing 613 million, or 3.1 percent, link quarter and 2.7 billion, or 16 percent, year-over-year. With a loan-to-deposit ratio of 60 percent, our strong deposit base remains a stable source of liquidity. Together with our healthy cash balance of $910 million at the end of the quarter, we maintain significant flexibility for further loan and investment growth, and we continue to deploy liquidity to support net interest income as well as mitigate the impact of near-term rate pressures. Consistent with this strategy, we added $1 billion of liquid and safe investments to the portfolio, increasing total balances to $8.5 billion. Net income for the second quarter was $67.5 million or $1.68 per common share up from $59.9 million in the first quarter and $38.9 million in the second quarter of 2020. Net interest income in the second quarter was $123.5 million up from $120.6 million in the first quarter and down from $126.7 million in the second quarter of 2020. Included in the second and first quarters net interest income were 3.8 million and 0.9 million respectively of accelerated loan fees from PPP loan waivers. Included in the second quarter of 2020 net interest income was an interest recovery of 2.9 million. Adjusting for PPP loan forgiveness, net interest income was slightly higher than the first quarter as the as the impact from lower interest rates was offset by the deployment of liquidity. As Mary will discuss later, we recorded a negative provision for credit losses of $16.1 million this quarter. Non-interest income totaled $44.4 million in the second quarter, up from $43 million in the first quarter and down from $51.3 million in the second quarter of 2020. Included in the second quarter were gains of $3.7 million from the sale of investment securities. Included in the second quarter of 2020 was a gain of $14.2 million from the sale of our remaining Visa shares. Adjusting for these changes, the decrease from the first quarter was due to lowered mortgage banking income, primarily from the impact of rate volatility on MSR valuations. In the second quarter, we reported an MSR impairment of $1.1 million versus a recovery of $2.2 million in the first quarter. Adjusting for the MSR valuations, mortgage banking income was up about $400,000 quarter over quarter, partially offsetting the MSR valuation impairment for higher service charges and other transaction fees. The increase from the second quarter of 2020 was mainly due to an increase of $5.4 million from fees on deposit accounts and other service charges due to the reopening of the economy. We expect non-interest income will be approximately $42 to $43 million per quarter for the remainder of the year from the increasing deposit fees, service charges, and other transaction fees from the improving economy. Non-interest expense in the second quarter totaled $96.5 million. The second quarter's expenses included charges of $3.2 million related to the early termination of repurchase agreements and term debt and a $3.1 million benefit from the sale of property. The termination of the repos and term debt allowed us to reduce our non-core funding, reposition some securities at a net gain, and increase our net interest income. With the improving economic provisioning and earnings outlook for 2021, accruals for corporate incentive compensation are back to pre-pandemic levels and were $3.2 million higher than the second quarter of 2020. In the second quarter of 2021, we also experienced higher levels of variable expenses from rising production, as well as continuing investments in innovation initiatives. The remaining core expenses were nearly flat with expenses from the second quarter of 2020, and overall expenses continued to be managed in a disciplined manner. Excluding one-time items, our normalized full-year non-interest expense projection, including restoration of corporate incentives, remains approximately $385 million, with the third and fourth quarter expenses being approximately the same as the second quarter, at $96 to $97 million. The effective tax rate for the second quarter was 22.84%. Currently, we expect the effective tax rate for 2021 will be approximately 24%, driven by higher pre-tax income. Our return on assets during the first quarter was 1.23%. The return on common equity was 19.6%, and our efficiency ratio was 57.47%. Our net interest margin in the second quarter was 2.37 percent, a decline of six basis points from the first quarter. The decline in the margin in the second quarter reflects the ongoing impact from the strong deposit growth and lower rates partially offset by deployment of liquidity. We expect the margin will decline approximately five to six basis points in the third quarter, primarily due to the continued deposit growth and the recent decrease in long-term rates then stabilize in the fourth quarter. Net interest income in the third quarter will be approximately flat to slightly higher than the second quarter. The increase in NII is expected from continued balance sheet growth, deployment of excess liquidity, and stable interest rates. But we remain asset sensitive and are well positioned for higher rates. These estimates exclude the impact of PPP loan prepayments, which have been volatile and unpredictable. We strengthened our capital levels through our very successful issuance of $180 million in preferred stock. The addition of preferred capital together with our strong earnings increased our Tier 1 capital and leverage ratios to 13.9 percent and 7.31 percent, respectively, adding to our excess levels. We are well positioned for continued growth over and above the strong deposit growth of $4.4 billion we've already absorbed into our balance sheet since the beginning of 2020. During the second quarter, we paid out $27 million, or 40 percent, of net income and dividends. Our strong capital levels and income generation will enable us to restart the share repurchase program this month, which has been suspended since the first quarter of 2020. The remaining share buyback authority is $113 million. And finally, consistent with our improving income levels, our board declared a dividend of $0.70 per common share for the third quarter of 2021, an increase of $0.03 per share. I'll turn the call over to Mary.
spk01: Thank you, Dean. At the end of the quarter, customer loan balances on deferral were down 88% from their peak to 1.8% of total loans. You'll recall, given we had the capacity to do so, we elected to partner with our customers through this unprecedented event and provided extended relief, primarily through principal deferrals on low-margined real estate. Accordingly, 93% of loans remaining under deferral are secured, with our consumer residential deferrals having a weighted average loan-to-value of 68%, and our commercial deferrals having a weighted average loan-to-value of 46%. with 97% continuing to pay interest. Return to payment performance for previously deferred loans has continued to be strong, with less than 1% of these customers delinquent 30 days or more at the end of the quarter. Credit metrics remain strong and stable in the quarter. Net charge-offs were 1.2 million as compared with net charge-offs of 2.9 million in the first quarter and net charge-offs of 5.1 million in the second quarter of 2020. Non-performing assets totaled 19 million, up 1.1 million for the link period, and down 3.7 million year-over-year. Loans delinquent 30 days or more were 29.8 million, or 25 basis points of total loans at quarter end, down 10.1 million for the link period, and up 6.3 million from the second quarter of last year. Criticized exposure continued to decrease during the quarter, dropping from 2.6 percent of loans to 2.17 percent of total loans. As Dean noted, we recorded a negative provision for credit losses of $16.1 million. This included a negative provision to the allowance for credit losses of $16.8 million, which, with net charge-offs of $1.2 million, reduced the allowance to $180.4 million, representing 1.5 percent of total loans and leases, or 1.56 percent net of PPP balances. The decrease in the allowance is reflective of the most recent UHERO economic outlook and forecast for our market, coupled with our credit risk profile. The allowance does continue to consider and provide for the potential downside risk inherent with the pandemic. The reserve for unfunded credit commitments was $4.5 million at the end of the quarter, with a provision of $1.5 million made to fund the link period increase. I'll now turn the call back to Janelle.
spk08: Thank you, Mary. This concludes our prepared remarks. We are now happy to answer any questions you may have.
spk05: And to all our participants, as a reminder, to ask a question, please press the star 1 on your telephone. And our first question is coming in from Ibrahim Poonawalla from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
spk14: Good morning.
spk18: Morning.
spk14: I guess maybe the first question, just around capital, Dean mentioned plans to resume share buybacks. Give us a sense of, one, as you think about going through the authorization, is there a certain level in terms of overall capital payout that you're targeting? And what's the binding constraint when you think about the tier one leverage ratio? Where you're trying to maintain those ratios as you think about capital return? And also just the possibility of a dividend hike in the back half of the year.
spk21: Yeah, so kind of the measurements that we look at is the Tier 1 leverage ratio. We've stated in the past that we'd like to stay above 7%, so we'll probably keep a little bit of a room above that, but that would be one measurement that would be kind of in consideration for how much we do in buybacks. In terms of the dividends, you know, we have stated in the past that we'd like to be roughly 50 percent of our net income in dividends over the long term. So, that's kind of a target that we would head towards.
spk17: Male Speaker Yeah, I would add to that, Ibrahim. I think that probably the constraint to further or the opportunity maybe is a better term to increasing the dividend really I think is down the path of NII. So, to the extent that we get some relief in the rate environment, I think there's upside. It feels to me like our fee income levels are pretty, at least at this point, pretty well understood for the balance of the year, and expenses feel to be pretty well understood as well. So I think that is really the rate environment that represents the upside on the dividend, I think.
spk14: Understood. And I guess just on the rate environment and the NII, so, Dean, thanks again for the guidance, relatively clear. Two things. One, as you think about, just remind us what's the PPP fees remaining at the end of the second quarter and your expectations around whether or not most of it gets accreted this year. Yes, we have $14.5 million remaining in fees, and so this would be both the 2020 and 2021 vintages.
spk21: We're looking at pretty elevated levels, so something similar to what we had in the second quarter in terms of what would pay off. And then there's some that we think might bleed into 2022, but generally most of it will, the remaining balances will come off in the next two quarters.
spk14: And did you say the second quarter PPP fees were 3.8, the accelerated component? Yes, 3.8, the accelerated component. All right, so it should be something in that vicinity. Got it. And just, I guess, last question, Peter, around, so you shared some statistics around the macro outlook. From what we understand, it seems like international travel is one area that's still missing. Is there anything else that you think about in terms of where you need to see a full sort of back to normal reopening before we start seeing that unemployment from 6% going back to pre-pandemic levels?
spk17: Yeah, so I think international is yet to bounce back. So what's interesting is we're nearly back to full strength in terms of visitor traffic, and that's without the international market, which historically is called a third of our marketplace. The benefit to that traveler is they are a bit higher spending, so I think that's you know, upside, you know, out there somewhere as the international traveler returns. And then the other piece, at least the visitor segment, is the group business and incentive. And beginning to hear those types of excursions beginning to percolate up again, but as you can appreciate, there's a bit of a lag before we'll start to see that traffic back in. So I think the international and group and incentive is effectively the next legs up for the visitor industry, and I think probably a little bit higher margin product than what we're getting right now.
spk13: Got it. Thanks for taking my questions.
spk17: Yeah, thank you.
spk05: And our next question is from Jeff Rulis of BA Davidson. Go ahead, sir.
spk19: Thanks.
spk05: Good morning.
spk19: Good morning, Jeff. Peter, just to follow on to that, and not to be overly I guess conservative, but just trying to get a sense for the local sentiment, if there's any likelihood of restrictions coming back on with variants. And I know that around the July 4th holiday, it lifted the restrictions on vaccinated folks. But any underway or thoughts locally that things could tighten back up?
spk17: Well, obviously, we in this marketplace, like just about every place else in the country, are concerned in what we're seeing from the variants and the case counts. I've not heard any discussion around reapplying some of our earlier remedies. So, no, nothing that I'm aware of. But, you know, obviously, if things continue to trend as they have, then we'll need to begin to think through those sorts of protocols, visitor and just kind of general public. I would say, though, that the early indicators are, Jeff, though, that the majority of the case counts right now are community spread and some from travelers, but generally returning Hawaii residents back from mainland locations. And the incidence of visitor to resident transmission is, you know, has been very low and continues to be pretty low.
spk19: Michael Heaney Good point. Thanks. Maybe just a housekeeping kind of maintenance. Dean, appreciate the guidance on expenses. Just noted that the occupancy and data levels were pretty low late quarter, I guess, you know, baked into that guidance. Is that sustainable on those line items? And I guess if there's anything to discuss on those, why they were at that level, also helpful. Thanks.
spk21: Yeah, so the property sale came through in that line, so the $3.1 million. So you have to adjust for that. And then in the second quarter, we did have a little bit better R&M expense run levels. So That's a little bit uncertain, but those were kind of the two reasons why the occupancy level was much lower in the second quarter, but mainly driven by the property sale.
spk19: Yeah, okay. That makes sense. All right. I'll step back. Thank you. Great. Thanks, Jeff.
spk05: And for the next question, Mr. Andrew Lisch from Piper Sandler.
spk10: Go ahead, sir. Hi, everyone. Good morning.
spk11: The question on the securities purchases, you added a billion dollars. Just curious what you purchased, and then with rates having come in, I mean, what's the appetite for more purchases to continue?
spk21: So we've been purchasing, you know, kind of what we have been in the past, which were mortgage-backed securities. We did purchase some corporates. Those are kind of the two major categories, but more biased towards the mortgage-backs. And the average rate that we got in the second quarter was about 1.5%. And then, you know, with the drop in the long-term rates, you know, obviously the current rates are lower. So we're trying to be a little bit more measured in terms of how we are investing the money this quarter, but we're still deploying a lot of the liquidity that we do have on the balance sheet.
spk11: Got it. Okay. So... I guess you have the $910 million in cash. Is there a level that you want to manage that down towards? And obviously loan growth will help with some of that and probably some deposit outflows. But what level would you hope to get this down to?
spk21: Well, it would be probably about $250 to maybe $300 million. And the reason for that is that we do have a lot of cash flow coming off the portfolio. So from a liquidity standpoint, we're still going to have lots of cash flow that we can reinvest into loans for loan growth. So we can maintain a little bit lower cash level than the $900 million.
spk11: Speaking about loan growth, we had good commercial growth, good consumer growth here this quarter. How are pipelines fitting as we enter the third quarter?
spk17: Pipelines are looking pretty good. So both consumer and commercial. Commercial real estate had a good quarter. They anticipate having a good back half of this year. Residential was strong. So residential through the first half of the year did a billion dollars in production to lead all local providers. So feel good about that. And as rates have come down a bit here recently, a bit more pipeline growth. in that category. So that, you know, that feels pretty good as well. Home equity has reemerged, I should say. Indirect, you know, was about flat, which I think given the state of auto sales right now is a pretty good performance. So those are the, I think those are going to be the drivers. Construction actually might have some upside as well as as we get underway on a number of affordable types of transactions. And then really what we're waiting for is the other consumer category and the installments, and I guess the CNI categories. And both of those categories, you know, you would appreciate have been impacted negatively by just the liquidity bill to both the commercial as well as the consumer clientele. But, you know, I think put all that together – Kind of a mid-single-digit growth rate for the next 12 months, I think, is reasonably achievable.
spk11: Got it. Yeah, that's good to hear. Thanks for taking all the questions and all the color. I appreciate it. I'll step back. Yeah, take care.
spk05: And once again, to all the participants, to ask a question, please press the star 1 on your telephone. Our next question is from Jackie Bolin of KWB. Go ahead.
spk09: Hi, everyone. It's Jackie. Sorry for the little cold in my voice. Peter, I wanted to chat about the economy just a little bit. You gave some really great anecdotes there, which I love because it helps me get a sense for it since you obviously have your feet on the ground. I just want to get a sense for how you view the rebound in tourism versus how you view the rebound in the economy overall. Obviously, I know they're interdependent, but there's more to the economic rebound than just tourism. So I want to get your thoughts there.
spk17: Yeah, so that's a good question. So I would say that, you know, obviously the visitor industry is a big component of the local economy. But I think what we found through the pandemic is it's, you know, as big as it is, there are other factors that drive our local economy as well. And so, you know, construction industry, driven by the health of the real estate sectors is in a good space. That's been helpful. The defense sector has been extremely strong and likely to get stronger given the geopolitical tensions in the Pacific here. And so those drivers I think have really been major contributors to the local economy getting back on its feet. And I think that In order for our economy to be at full strength, obviously we need a healthy visitor segment, but there are other factors as well, and those factors seem to be doing well. The visitor front has been – the velocity with which we've come back has really been surprising, at least to me it has been surprising. And given variant notwithstanding – I think the opportunity for kind of the next stage with the return of international travelers and the next stage with the return of group and incentive travelers bodes well for that important segment.
spk09: Okay. And when you say group and incentive travelers, do you mean conferences and things like that, or is it a different type of traveler you're talking about?
spk17: It's conferences. It's also – you know, large corporations rewarding, you know, star sales performers and things like that. It's a big segment of the industry.
spk06: Okay. Okay.
spk09: And then when you think about the economy and the unemployment rate where it's at, and I realize this is a very hard discussion or a very hard question to quantify, but I'm just looking for your viewpoint on this. When you think about all of that and you think about people who maybe haven't entered the workforce but could because their benefits are perhaps better than they would be if they were working, do you think that's holding the economy back at all, or are we getting to a point where we may see an increase in people looking for jobs?
spk17: Boy, that's a $64,000 question, Jackie. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it is a fact that lots of small businesses and large businesses in the visitor industry and elsewhere are just having a tough time getting people to come back. And so you're right, perversely, lack of demand for work is in a very perverse way holding back the post-pandemic recovery. And whether whether the elimination or the reduction of federal and state subsidies will help that situation. I don't know. I mean, you would think intuitively that it should, but I've also looked at a few reports that indicated I think half the states in the country have headed in that direction. They've not seen an overnight bounce back in worker supply. So, it's the right question, and I just don't have as much clarity as I'd like to, to share with you.
spk07: Okay, thank you.
spk09: And I mean, completely understandable. I just, Hawaii's so unique because, you know, you're an island and so you can't have people, well, you can have people crossing state lines, but it's just not as easy. So thank you for all that. I really appreciate it. And then I'll get technical on the corner for just one last one and then I'll step back. I wondered what the, Dean, thank you for the accelerated amortization. I just wanted to confirm what the that just the regular amortization piece of that was on the fees?
spk21: Yes, it was a 2.1 million.
spk09: Okay, so the 2.1 plus the 3.8? Correct. Okay, thank you.
spk18: Yep. Thanks, Jackie.
spk05: And our last question is from Laurie Hansaker of Compass Point. Go ahead.
spk04: Yeah, hi, thanks. Good morning. I'm hoping that we could just go back to occupancy, wondering how we should be thinking about that, Dean, just from the standpoint of run rate expense. And maybe can you update us? I think beginning of the year, you were going to take branches down to 50 by the end of the year, and we're sitting at 54. Just help us think about where you are with that in terms of how we should be thinking about occupancy expense.
spk17: Well, I think we should think, you know, holistically in terms of lower occupancy expense over time. And so we had been operating, you know, our branch count has jumped around through the pandemic just based on, you know, where the demand for in-person banking is happening. And so we're down to 50, I want to say, but 54 technically. And the question for us right now is trying to toggle between, you know, those two numbers as to what, you know, where we think we're going to end up from a permanent go-forward posture. But, you know, I mean, I think we've had great success in the transition from in-person to digital. That obviously has created opportunities for us to cull the square footage in our branch system. So if you look over the past decade, if you take kind of a slightly higher view on it, our square footage is down 29 percent from 2010, and our branch count is down 34 percent, which has had a pretty significant reduction in overall branch, not just occupancy, but also overall branch expenses. Where we go from here, Laurie, is, you know, I think we're probably comfortable for the here and now in that 50-54 range. We'll probably decide in the next 12 months or so what that exact number is going to be, but feel pretty good about the general structure of the branch system right now.
spk04: Okay. Okay. And so then when we think about occupancy expense, that $8 million or so fund rate would be a good number? Yeah. Quarterly number? Yeah. Okay. Perfect. Okay. And then... The FHLB prepay of $3.2 million, how much was actually prepaid and what was the cost and about when in the quarter, if you have it?
spk21: The total amount was $100 million. And I want to say it's kind of almost mid-quarter.
spk02: Okay. And costing?
spk21: You mean in terms of rate? It was about 1.3%.
spk04: 1.3. Okay. And then do you plan to do any more, or was that kind of it?
spk21: Yeah, I think it's going to be opportunistic. This one was opportunistic because of the benefits that we got out of it. So as we see opportunities in the future, we may elect to reduce further.
spk17: Yeah, this was a nice opportunity, Laurie, because the the gain on securities basically offset the cost of accelerating the prepay, and then we got the improvement on the margin. So it was kind of a no-brainer for us. And if that shows up at our door again, we'll do it again.
spk03: Yep, makes sense. Okay.
spk04: And then just looking at the other, other expense lines, so $17 million this quarter compared to $13 million last quarter. Obviously, the $17 million contained the FHLB prepay. I backed that out. It was $14 million. Then I backed out the contactless card rollout. It was $11 million. So $11 million last quarter going to $14 million. Was there anything else non-recurring that showed up in that number or any thoughts around why that number was higher? Will it be that run rate going forward? How should we think about that?
spk21: Well, the contactless card rollout actually showed up in the data processing line. So the adjustment to other only for the second quarter.
spk04: Got it. Okay. So it's 13.3 going to call it 14 million. Okay. Got it. You know what? That makes sense. Sorry. My bad. Okay. And then just last one for me, the premium and in the quarter, how much was that?
spk20: Oh, 10.1 million.
spk04: Okay. Great. Thank you very much.
spk20: Yep.
spk05: And that's it for the question and answer session. We don't have no more questions on the queue. Presenters, I'm turning back the floor to you.
spk08: I'd like to thank everyone for joining us today and for your continued interest in Bank of Hawaii. Please feel free to contact me if you have any additional questions or need further clarifications on any of the topics discussed today. Thank you so much, everyone.
spk05: And that concludes our conference for today. Thank you for participation. Please, you may hang up now. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
spk12: Thank you. you you Thank you.
spk05: Good day, everyone, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Bank of Hawaii Corporation second quarter of 2021 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants lined are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during this session, you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. Please be advised that the conference is being recorded. If you require any further assistance, please press star 0. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, the Head of Investor Relations, Ms. Janelle Higa. Please go ahead.
spk08: Thank you, and good morning, good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. On the call with me this morning is our Chairman, President, and CEO, Peter Ho, our Chief Financial Officer, Dean Shigemura, and our Chief Risk Officer, Mary Sellers. Before we get started, let me remind you that today's conference call will contain some forward-looking statements. And while we believe our assumptions are reasonable, There are a variety of reasons the actual results may differ materially from those projected. During the call, we'll be referencing a slide presentation as well as the earnings release. A copy of the presentation and release are available on our website, boh.com, under Investor Relations. And now I'd like to turn the call over to Peter Ho.
spk17: Great. Thank you, Janelle. Good morning or good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining in. As is our custom, we'll go through marketing additions here. In the islands, I'll then turn it over to Dean, who will walk you through our financials, and then Mary will touch on credit, and then we'd be happy to take your questions for the quarter. If you look at the unemployment slide here, you see that the economy here in the islands is steadily improving, really being driven by a nice improvement or regaining traction in the visitor industry as well as improvement in what we call the local economy. UHERO's economic pulse indicator, which is a high-frequency aggregation of numerous data points, has basically the local economy now at 72% versus pre-pandemic levels. A quarter ago, I think we reported 62% to you, so it's a nice improvement there. And you see all of this relating into better unemployment rate. So unemployment now is down to 7.7%, the fifth consecutive month of declines. The real estate market here in the islands, like many markets, is very strong. Oahu's single-family homes were up in terms of sales 49% June versus June a year ago. Median sales prices were up 27%. and inventories are very constrained. So median days on market are down 60% from a year ago to eight days, and months of inventory is down 52% from a year ago to 1.2 months of inventory. The condominium sector here on Oahu, similar story, a little bit more muted though, but sales up 134% June on June. Median sales price is up 9%. and inventory conditions very similar to the single-family home market. So a very strong real estate sector here on Oahu and generally throughout the Hawaiian Islands. The visitor industry, as I mentioned, is doing quite nicely. So you see this chart here, really since the relaunch or the launch of our Safe Travels program, visitor arrivals have increased substantively. basically now approaching pre-pandemic levels. Airlift is a great story. In June, actually, we had 1,027,000 seats into the islands, which is a 14.3% increase from June of 2019. And July and August forecasts are even more robust than that. So the airlines are doing their jobs well. Arrivals are looking good. The most recent data we have from the Hawaii Tourism Authority has arrivals at 74% of 2019 levels, so pre-pandemic levels. Visitor days at 83% of pre-pandemic levels and expenditures at just under 80% of 2019 levels. And we have reason to believe that the balance of the summer, June, July, and August should eclipse those numbers as well. Hotels are doing quite nicely. As of June, we're back up to about 97% of our room stock back in service. Occupancies are running at 77% statewide versus 84% pre-pandemic in 2019. Average daily rates are very robust at $320 for June versus $280 in for the same month in 2019. So if you can believe it, Revpar, our revenue per available room, is actually higher as of June of this year than it was in June of 2019 at $246 per available room versus $235 per available room June of 2019. So very strong performance in the hotel sector. And forward bookings, just talking to a number of professionals, in the industry seems to be very strong as things stand right now. The COVID condition here in the islands is reasonably good. Rolling seven-day averages have us in the top half of the country, although we are concerned, like most other marketplaces, over the emergence of the Delta variant. And vaccinations, for the most part, have gone well. So we're in the 36th percentile of the country, and hopefully, obviously, like most marketplaces, we would love to get that number higher. So, that's the synopsis of the marketplace, and now let me turn the call over to Dean, who can walk you through the financials. Dean?
spk21: Dean Cunningham Thank you, Peter. Growth from core customers remained solid in the second quarter. Core loans net of PPP waivers increased by 113 million, or 1 percent, in the quarter, and by 250 million year-over-year. Waivers on PPP loans have accelerated and resulted in a net decline of $212 million in the quarter. Our strong deposit growth continued, increasing 613 million, or 3.1% link quarter, and 2.7 billion, or 16% year-over-year. With a loan-to-deposit ratio of 60%, our strong deposit base remains a stable source of liquidity. Together with our healthy cash balance of $910 million at the end of the quarter, we maintain significant flexibility for further loan and investment growth, and we continue to deploy liquidity to support net interest income as well as mitigate the impact of near-term rate pressures. Consistent with this strategy, we added $1 billion of liquid and safe investments to the portfolio, increasing total balances to $8.5 billion. Net income for the second quarter was $67.5 million or $1.68 per common share up from $59.9 million in the first quarter and $38.9 million in the second quarter of 2020. Net interest income in the second quarter was $123.5 million up from $120.6 million in the first quarter and down from $126.7 million in the second quarter of 2020. Included in the second and first quarters net interest income were $3.8 million and $0.9 million respectively of accelerated loan fees from PPP loan waivers. Included in the second quarter of 2020 net interest income was an interest recovery of $2.9 million. Adjusting for PPP loan forgiveness, net interest income was slightly higher than the first quarter as the as the impact from lower interest rates was offset by the deployment of liquidity. As Mary will discuss later, we recorded a negative provision for credit losses of $16.1 million this quarter. Non-interest income totaled $44.4 million in the second quarter, up from $43 million in the first quarter and down from $51.3 million in the second quarter of 2020. Included in the second quarter were gains of $3.7 million from the sale of investment securities. Included in the second quarter of 2020 was a gain of $14.2 million from the sale of our remaining Visa shares. Adjusting for these changes, the decrease from the first quarter was due to lowered mortgage banking income, primarily from the impact of rate volatility on MSR valuations. In the second quarter, we reported an MSR impairment of $1.1 million versus a recovery of $2.2 million in the first quarter. Adjusting for the MSR valuations, mortgage banking income was up about $400,000 quarter over quarter, partially offsetting the MSR valuation impairment for higher service charges and other transaction fees. The increase from the second quarter of 2020 was mainly due to an increase of $5.4 million from fees on deposit accounts and other service charges due to the reopening of the economy. We expect non-interest income will be approximately $42 to $43 million per quarter for the remainder of the year from the increase in deposit fees, service charges, and other transaction fees from the improving economy. Non-interest expense in the second quarter totaled $96.5 million. The second quarter's expenses included charges of $3.2 million related to the early termination of repurchase agreements and term debt and a $3.1 million benefit from the sale of property. The termination of the repos and term debt allowed us to reduce our non-core funding, reposition some securities at a net gain, and increase our net interest income. With the improving economic provisioning and earnings outlook for 2021, accruals for corporate incentive compensation are back to pre-pandemic levels and worth $3.2 million higher than the second quarter of 2020. In the second quarter of 2021, we also experienced higher levels of variable expenses from rising production, as well as continuing investments in innovation initiatives. The remaining core expenses were nearly flat with expenses from the second quarter of 2020, and overall expenses continued to be managed in a disciplined manner. Excluding one-time items, our normalized full-year non-interest expense projection, including restoration of corporate incentives, remains approximately $385 million, with the third and fourth quarter expenses being approximately the same as the second quarter, at $96 to $97 million. The effective tax rate for the second quarter was 22.84%. Currently, we expect the effective tax rate for 2021 will be approximately 24%, driven by higher pre-tax income. Our return on assets during the first quarter was 1.23%. The return on common equity was 19.6%, and our efficiency ratio was 57.47%. Our net interest margin in the second quarter was 2.37%, a decline of six basis points from the first quarter. The decline in the margin in the second quarter reflects the ongoing impact from the strong deposit growth and lower rates partially offset by deployment of liquidity. We expect the margin will decline approximately five to six basis points in the third quarter, primarily due to the continued deposit growth and the recent decrease in long-term rates then stabilize in the fourth quarter. Net interest income in the third quarter will be approximately flat to slightly higher than the second quarter. The increase in NII is expected from continued balance sheet growth, deployment of excess liquidity, and stable interest rates, but we remain asset sensitive and are well positioned for higher rates. These estimates exclude the impact of PPP loan prepayments, which have been volatile and unpredictable. We strengthened our capital levels through our very successful issuance of $180 million in preferred stock. The addition of preferred capital together with our strong earnings increased our Tier 1 capital and leverage ratios to 13.9 percent and 7.31 percent, respectively, adding to our excess levels. We are well positioned for continued growth over and above the strong deposit growth of $4.4 billion we've already absorbed into our balance sheet since the beginning of 2020. During the second quarter, we paid out $27 million, or 40 percent, of net income and dividends. Our strong capital levels and income generation will enable us to restart the share repurchase program this month, which has been suspended since the first quarter of 2020. The remaining share buyback authority is $113 million. And finally, consistent with our improving income levels, our board declared a dividend of $0.70 per common share for the third quarter of 2021, an increase of $0.03 per share. I'll turn the call over to Mary.
spk01: Thank you, Dean. At the end of the quarter, customer loan balances on deferral were down 88% from their peak to 1.8% of total loans. You'll recall, given we had the capacity to do so, we elected to partner with our customers through this unprecedented event and provided extended relief, primarily through principal deferrals on low-margined real estate. Accordingly, 93% of loans remaining under deferral are secured, with our consumer residential deferrals having a weighted average loan-to-value of 68%, and our commercial deferrals having a weighted average loan-to-value of 46%. with 97% continuing to pay interest. Return to payment performance for previously deferred loans has continued to be strong, with less than 1% of these customers delinquent 30 days or more at the end of the quarter. Credit metrics remain strong and stable in the quarter. Net charge-offs were 1.2 million as compared with net charge-offs of 2.9 million in the first quarter and net charge-offs of 5.1 million in the second quarter of 2020. Non-performing assets totaled 19 million, up 1.1 million for the link period, and down 3.7 million year-over-year. Loans delinquent 30 days or more were 29.8 million, or 25 basis points of total loans at quarter end, down 10.1 million for the link period, and up 6.3 million from the second quarter of last year. Criticized exposure continued to decrease during the quarter, dropping from 2.6% of loan to 2.17% of total loans. As Dean noted, we recorded a negative provision for credit losses of $16.1 million. This included a negative provision to the allowance for credit losses of $16.8 million, which, with net charge-offs of $1.2 million, reduced the allowance to $180.4 million, representing 1.5% of total loans and leases, or 1.56% net of PPP balances. The decrease in the allowance is reflective of the most recent UHERO economic outlook and forecast for our market, coupled with our credit risk profile. The allowance does continue to consider and provide for the potential downside risk inherent with the pandemic. The reserve for unfunded credit commitments was $4.5 million at the end of the quarter, with a provision of $1.5 million made to fund the link period increase. I'll now turn the call back to Janelle.
spk08: Thank you, Mary. This concludes our prepared remarks. We are now happy to answer any questions you may have.
spk05: And to all our participants, as a reminder, to ask a question, please press the star 1 on your telephone. And our first question is coming in from Ibrahim Poonawalla from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
spk14: Good morning.
spk18: Morning.
spk14: I guess maybe the first question just on capital, Dean mentioned plans to resume share buybacks. Give us a sense of, one, as you think about going through the authorization, is there a certain level in terms of overall capital payout that you're targeting? And what's the binding constraint when you think about the tier one leverage ratio? Where you're trying to maintain those ratios as you think about capital return? And also just the possibility of a dividend hike in the back half of the year.
spk21: Yeah, so the kind of the measurements that we look at is the Tier 1 leverage ratio. We've stated in the past that we'd like to stay above 7%, so we'll probably keep a little bit of a room above that, but that would be one measurement that would be kind of in consideration for how much we do in buybacks. In terms of the dividends, you know, we have stated in the past that we'd like to be roughly 50 percent of our net income in dividends over the long term. So, that's kind of a target that we would head towards.
spk17: Male Speaker Yeah, I would add to that, Ibrahim. I think that probably the constraint to further or the opportunity maybe is a better term to increasing the dividend really I think is down the path of NII. So, to the extent that we get some relief in the rate environment, I think there's upside. It feels to me like our fee income levels are pretty, at least at this point, pretty well understood for the balance of the year, and expenses feel to be pretty well understood as well. So I think that is really the rate environment that represents the upside on the dividend, I think.
spk14: Understood. And I guess just on the rate environment and the NII, so, Dean, thanks again for the guidance, relatively clear. Two things. One, as you think about, just remind us what's the PPP fees remaining at the end of the second quarter and your expectations around whether or not most of it gets accreted this year. Yes, we have $14.5 million remaining in fees, and so this would be both the 2020 and 2021 vintages.
spk21: We're looking at pretty elevated levels, so something similar to what we had in the second quarter in terms of what would pay off. And then there's some that we think might bleed into 2022, but generally most of it will, the remaining balances will come off in the next two quarters.
spk14: And did you say the second quarter PPP fees were 3.8, the accelerated component? Yes, 3.8, the accelerated component. All right, so it should be something in that vicinity. Got it. And just I guess a last question, Peter, around, so you shared some statistics around the macro outlook. From what we understand, it seems like international travel is one area that's still missing. Is there anything else that you think about in terms of where you need to see a full sort of back to normal reopening before we start seeing that unemployment from 6% going back to pre-pandemic levels?
spk17: Yeah, so I think international is yet to bounce back. So what's interesting is we're nearly back to full strength in terms of visitor traffic, and that's without the international market, which historically is called a third of our marketplace. The benefit to that traveler is they are a bit higher spending, so I think that's you know, upside, you know, out there somewhere as the international traveler returns. And then the other piece, at least the visitor segment, is the group business and incentive. And beginning to hear those types of excursions beginning to percolate up again, but as you can appreciate, there's a bit of a lag before we'll start to see that traffic back in. So I think the international and group and incentive is effectively the next legs up for the visitor industry, and I think probably a little bit higher margin product than what we're getting right now.
spk13: Got it. Thanks for taking my questions.
spk17: Yeah, thank you.
spk05: And our next question is from Jeff Rulis of BA Davidson. Go ahead, sir. Thanks. Good morning.
spk19: Good morning, Jeff. Peter, just to follow on to that, and not to be overly I guess conservative, but just trying to get a sense for the local sentiment, if there's any likelihood of restrictions coming back on with variants. And I know that around the July 4th holiday, it lifted the restrictions on vaccinated folks. But any underway or thoughts locally that things could tighten back up?
spk17: Well, obviously, we in this marketplace, like just about every place else in the country, are concerned in what we're seeing from the variants and the case counts. I've not heard any discussion around reapplying some of our earlier remedies. So, no, nothing that I'm aware of. But, you know, obviously, if things continue to trend as they have, then we'll need to begin to think through those sorts of protocols, visitor and just kind of general public. I would say, though, that the early indicators are, Jeff, though, that the majority of the case counts right now are community spread and some from travelers, but generally returning Hawaii residents back from mainland locations. And the incidence of visitor to resident transmission is, you know, has been very low and continues to be pretty low.
spk19: Michael Heaney Good point. Thanks. Maybe just a housekeeping kind of maintenance. Dean, appreciate the guidance on expenses. Just noted that the occupancy and data levels were pretty low late quarter, I guess, you know, baked into that guidance. Is that sustainable on those line items? And I guess if there's anything to discuss on those, why they were at that level, also helpful. Thanks.
spk21: Yeah, so the property sale came through in that line, so the $3.1 million. So you have to adjust for that. And then in the second quarter, we did have a little bit better R&M expense run levels. So That's a little bit uncertain, but those were kind of the two reasons why the occupancy level was much lower in the second quarter, but mainly driven by the property sale.
spk19: Yeah, okay. That makes sense. All right. I'll step back. Thank you. Great. Thanks, Jeff.
spk05: And for the next question, Mr. Andrew Lisch from Piper Sandler.
spk10: Go ahead, sir. Hi, everyone. Good morning.
spk11: Dean, question on the securities purchases. You added a billion dollars. Just curious what you purchased, and then with rates having come in, I mean, what's the appetite for more purchases to continue?
spk21: So we've been purchasing, you know, kind of what we have been in the past, which were mortgage-backed securities. We did purchase some corporates. Those are kind of the two major categories, but more biased towards the mortgage-backs. and the average rate that we got in the second quarter was about 1.5%. And then, you know, with the drop in the long-term rates, you know, obviously the current rates are lower, so we're trying to be a little bit more measured in terms of how we are investing the money this quarter, but we're still deploying a lot of the liquidity that we do have on the balance sheet.
spk11: Got it. Okay, so... I guess you have the $910 million in cash. Is there a level that you want to manage that down towards? And obviously loan growth will help with some of that and probably some deposit outflows. But what level would you hope to get this down to?
spk21: Well, it would be probably about $250 to maybe $300 million. And the reason for that is that we do have a lot of cash flow coming off the portfolio. So from a liquidity standpoint, we're still going to have lots of cash flow that we can reinvest into loans for loan growth. So we can maintain a little bit lower cash level than the $900 million.
spk11: Got it. Okay, that's helpful. Speaking about loan growth, we had good commercial growth, good consumer growth here this quarter. How are pipelines fitting as we enter the third quarter?
spk17: Pipelines are looking pretty good. So both consumer and commercial. Commercial real estate had a good quarter. They anticipate having a good back half of this year. Residential was strong. So residential through the first half of the year did a billion dollars in production to lead all local providers. So feel good about that. And as rates have come down a bit here recently, a bit more pipeline growth. in that category. So that, you know, that feels pretty good as well. Home equity has reemerged, I should say. Indirect, you know, was about flat, which I think given the state of auto sales right now is a pretty good performance. So those are the, I think those are going to be the drivers. Construction actually might have some upside as well as as we get underway on a number of affordable types of transactions. And then really what we're waiting for is the other consumer category and the installments, and I guess the C&I categories. And both of those categories, you know, you would appreciate have been impacted negatively by just the liquidity bill to both the commercial as well as the consumer clientele. But, you know, I think put all that together – Kind of a mid-single-digit growth rate for the next 12 months, I think, is reasonably achievable.
spk11: Got it. Yeah, that's good to hear. Thanks for taking all the questions and all the color. I appreciate it. I'll step back. Yeah, take care.
spk05: And once again, to all the participants, to ask a question, please press the star 1 on your telephone. Our next question is from Jackie Bolin of KWB. Go ahead.
spk09: Hi, everyone. It's Jackie. Sorry for the little cold in my voice. Peter, I wanted to chat about the economy just a little bit. You gave some really great anecdotes there, which I love because it helps me get a sense for it since you obviously have your feet on the ground. I just want to get a sense for how you view the rebound in tourism versus how you view the rebound in the economy overall. Obviously, I know they're interdependent, but there's more to the economic rebound than just tourism. So I want to get your thoughts there.
spk17: Yeah, so that's a good question. So I would say that, you know, obviously the visitor industry is a big component of the local economy. But I think what we found through the pandemic is it's, you know, as big as it is, there are other factors that drive our local economy as well. And so, you know, construction industry, driven by the health of the real estate sectors is in a good space. That's been helpful. The defense sector has been extremely strong and likely to get stronger given the geopolitical tensions in the Pacific here. And so those drivers, I think, have really been major contributors to the local economy getting back on its feet. And I think that In order for our economy to be at full strength, obviously we need a healthy visitor segment, but there are other factors as well, and those factors seem to be doing well. The visitor front has been – the velocity with which we've come back has really been surprising, at least to me it has been surprising, and given variant notwithstanding – I think the opportunity for kind of the next stage with the return of international travelers and the next stage with the return of group and incentive travelers bodes well for that important segment. Okay.
spk09: And when you say group and incentive travelers, do you mean conferences and things like that, or is it a different type of traveler you're talking about?
spk17: It's conferences. It's also – you know, large corporations rewarding, you know, star sales performers and things like that. It's a big segment of the industry.
spk06: Okay. Okay.
spk09: And then when you think about the economy and the unemployment rate where it's at, and I realize this is a very hard discussion or a very hard question to quantify, but I'm just looking for your viewpoint on this. When you think about all of that and you think about people who maybe haven't entered the workforce but could because their benefits are perhaps better than they would be if they were working, do you think that's holding the economy back at all, or are we getting to a point where we may see an increase in people looking for jobs?
spk17: Boy, that's a $64,000 question, Jackie. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it is a fact that lots of small businesses and large businesses in the visitor industry and elsewhere are just having a tough time getting people to come back. And so you're right, perversely, lack of demand for work is in a very perverse way holding back the post-pandemic recovery. And whether... whether the elimination or the reduction of federal and state subsidies will help that situation. I don't know. I mean, you would think intuitively that it should, but I've also looked at a few reports that indicated I think half the states in the country have headed in that direction. They've not seen an overnight bounce back in worker supply. So it's the right question, and I just don't have as much clarity as I'd like to share with you.
spk07: Okay.
spk09: Thank you. And I mean, completely understandable. I just, Hawaii is so unique because, you know, you're an island and so you can't have people, well, you can have people crossing state lines, but it's just not as easy. So thank you for all that. I really appreciate it. And then I'll get technical on the corner for just one last one and then I'll step back. I wondered what the, Dean, thank you for the accelerated amortization. I just wanted to confirm what the that just the regular amortization piece of that was on the fees?
spk21: Yes, it was a 2.1 million.
spk09: Okay, so the 2.1 plus the 3.8? Correct. Okay, thank you.
spk18: Yep. Thanks, Jackie.
spk05: And our last question is from Laurie Handseeker of Compass Point. Go ahead.
spk04: Yeah. Hi, thanks. Good morning. I'm hoping that we could just go back to occupancy, wondering how we should be thinking about that, Dean, just from the standpoint of run rate expense. And maybe can you update us? I think beginning of the year, you were going to take branches down to 50 by the end of the year, and we're sitting at 54. Just help us think about where you are with that in terms of how we should be thinking about occupancy expense.
spk17: Well, I think we should think holistically in terms of lower occupancy expense over time. And so we had been operating, you know, our branch count has jumped around through the pandemic just based on, you know, where the demand for in-person banking is happening. And so we're down to 50, I want to say, But 54 technically, and the question for us right now is trying to toggle between, you know, those two numbers as to what, you know, where we think we're going to end up from a permanent go-forward posture. But, you know, I mean, I think we've had great success in the transition from in-person to digital. That obviously has created opportunities for us to cull the square footage in our branch So if you look over the past decade, if you take kind of a slightly higher view on it, our square footage is down 29% from 2010, and our branch count's down 34%, which has had a pretty significant reduction in overall branch, not just occupancy, but also overall branch expenses. Where we go from here, Laurie, is I think we're probably comfortable for the here and now in that 50-54 range. We'll probably decide in the next 12 months or so what that exact number is going to be, but feel pretty good about the general structure of the branch system right now.
spk04: Okay. Okay. And so then when we think about occupancy expense, that $8 million or so fund rate would be a good number? Yeah. Quarterly number? Yeah. Okay. Perfect. Okay. And then the FHLB prepay, $3.2 million. How much was actually prepaid and what was the cost and about when in the quarter, if you have it?
spk21: The total amount was $100 million. And I want to say it's kind of almost mid-quarter.
spk02: Okay. And costing?
spk21: You mean in terms of rate? It was about 1.3%.
spk04: 1.3. Okay. And then do you plan to do any more, or was that kind of it?
spk21: Yeah, I think it's going to be opportunistic. This one was opportunistic because of the benefits that we got out of it. So as we see opportunities in the future, we may elect to reduce further.
spk17: Yeah, this was a nice opportunity, Laurie, because the the gain on securities basically offset the cost of accelerating the prepay, and then we got the improvement on the margin. So it was kind of a no-brainer for us. And if that shows up at our door again, we'll do it again. Yeah.
spk03: Makes sense. Okay.
spk04: And then just looking at the other, other expense lines, so $17 million this quarter compared to $13 million last quarter. Obviously, the $17 million contained the FHLB prepay. I backed that out. It was $14 million. Then I backed out the contactless card rollout. It was $11 million. So $11 million last quarter going to $14 million. Was there anything else non-recurring that showed up in that number or any thoughts around why that number was higher? Will it be that run rate going forward? How should we think about that?
spk21: Well, the contactless card rollout actually showed up in the data processing line. So the adjustment to other only for the second quarter.
spk04: Got it. Okay. So it's 13.3 going to call it 14 million. Okay. Got it. You know what? That makes sense. Sorry. My bad. Okay. And then just last one for me, the premium and in the quarter, how much was that?
spk20: Oh, 10.1 million.
spk04: Okay. Great. Thank you very much.
spk20: Yep.
spk05: And that's it for the question and answer session. We don't have no more questions on the queue. Presenters, I'm turning back the floor to you.
spk08: I'd like to thank everyone for joining us today and for your continued interest in Bank of Hawaii. Please feel free to contact me if you have any additional questions or need further clarifications on any of the topics discussed today. Thank you so much, everyone.
spk05: And that concludes our conference for today. Thank you for participation. Please, you may hang up now. Thank you so much.
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