Banco Santander - Chile ADS

Gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and I would like to welcome you to Banco Santander Chile Results Conference call on the 2nd of February, 2024. At this time, all participant lines are in listen-only mode. The format of the call today will be a presentation by the management team followed by a question-and-answer session. So without further ado, I would now like to pass the line to Mr. Emiliano Muratore, the CFO. Please go ahead, sir.

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Banco Santander Chile's fourth quarter 2023 results webcast and conference call. This is Emiliano Muratore, CFO, and I'm joined today by Cristian Vicuña, Chief of Strategic Planning and Investor Relations, and Carmen Gloria Silva, our economist. First, I want to express my gratitude for your presence at this quarterly meeting. Let's go down to business. We are here to discuss our performance during the fourth quarter. The macro conditions were more favorable as we anticipated in our last call, which helped our margins and net income recover. The Central Bank of Chile has continued its rate reduction strategy, which has had a positive impact on funding costs. We'll delve into the specifics of our quarterly results in a moment. Now I pass the line to Carmen Gloria for the macro update.

Thank you, Eliana. On slide five, I present a summary of the macro-overview in the countries. After a necessary process of macroeconomic adjustment, 2023 was marked as a year of strategic global economic growth, changing global financial conditions, and emerging geopolitical tensions. All of this occurred in a context where the process of inflationary convergence was consolidated, which would have facilitated the end of the cycle of great hikes by the main monetary authority. In this global environment, economic activity in Chile continued its deceleration during 2023. Its investment persisted in the adjustment process of previous years, and private consumption presented year-on-year reductions in response to elevated interest rates and the continually deteriorating labor market. Indeed, the labor force participation rate showed virtually no progress hovering around 61% of nearly the entire year, below pre-pandemic levels. And the unemployment rate escalated to 8.5%. Despite this weakness, economic activity was bolstered by strong change effects emanating from specific supply factors. On one hand, the added value of electricity generation received an additional impetus due to increased rainfall in the country. On the other hand, The mining sector displayed improved performance due to the start of new projects. The level of activity would have contracted marginally in 2023, exhibiting an annual variation of minus 0.2%, less than the previous year estimated. For the current year, economic activity is projected to grow at the rate of around 2%, propelled by a less restricted financial environment increased labor market dynamism during the latter half of the year, and the surge in mining production. This process will persist through 2025, culminating in an expansion of 2.5%. Domestic inflation continues its descent at a faster pace than anticipated. The CPI concluded 2023 with an annual variation of 3.9%. falling below what was projected. And the U.S. variation closed at 4.8%. The adjustment in the national energy prices, the weakness in domestic demand, a contractionary monetary policy, and the appreciation of the exchange rate at the first half of the year were crucial factors for this decline. In the next month, inflation will persist in this downward trend. until reaching 3% at the onset of the second quarter, and it will hover with some temporary increases around that value until the year's end. As of January 2024, a new consumer basket was considered in the CPA calculation. According to our preliminary analysis, this new basket would not introduce any barriers to prices by nine. Lower inflationary pressures permitted the continuation of the monetary normalization cycle. The central bank accumulated a reduction of 300 basis points in the monetary policy rate during 2023, concluding at 8.25%. For the third year, the reductions continued, with a cut of 100 basis points in January. And for the upcoming meeting to be held at the beginning of April, A new aggressive decrease is projected between 100 and 125 basis points, and it will descend to 4% at the year's end, close to its neutral value. The exchange rate has recently depreciated again beyond the value explained by its fundamentals. This upward trend exceeded that of certain other regional currencies, responding to the manual rate differential. In our central scenario, the exchange rate would rectify its deviation and appreciate it towards the year's end to level approaching 870 pesos. This in response to the anticipated weakening in the dollar globally, the recovery of international copper prices, and adjustment in the global monetary cycle, particularly by the Fed, which will alleviate pressures on the rate spread.

Thank you, Carmen Gloria. Turning our attention to slide seven, let me begin by reminding you of our commitment to our four key strategic pillars that are part of our Chile First strategy. We would like to take the opportunity to highlight some of our main achievements in 2023. Firstly, we are the largest bank in Chile in terms of total volume, the sum of loans and deposits, with a market share of 17.4%. Our place in the Dow Jones Sustainability Index for emerging markets was confirmed, being the only Chilean bank to qualify for this index and emphasizing our leadership in sustainability. In this context, we issued our first green bond for around $50 million under our ESG framework. Decisions was the first in Chile to state green mortgage as the use of proceeds. We have a growing portfolio of approximately 100 billion pesos in green housing that complies with the highest housing energy certifications by the Ministry of Housing and Urban Planning in Chile. We offer preferential interest rates to clients choosing green housing, and we also contribute to conservation and preservation projects in Chile. We continue to remain committed to financial inclusion through our digital initiatives on Tander Life and Maslucas. Just in 2023, we have contributed by facilitating access to a bank account to more than 167,000 people. The advances in our digital initiatives have driven our clients to reduce their cash transactions, allowing us to accelerate the transformation of our branches. By year end 23, we reached 91 work affairs, including five expressos, which we will hear more about in a few slides. Thanks to these advances, we have the highest quality service among Chilean banks for the fourth consecutive year, with an NPS of 60, and we have been recognized as the best bank in Chile by Euromoney and The Banker. Our earning potential has been acknowledged by the market, with our total shareholder return reaching an impressive 35.8% in 2023, the highest among our Chilean peers, and doubled the return of the Chilean stock index in 2023. Moreover, we announced our new investment plan for 23 to 26 for $150 million to continue with the modernization of our branch network, as well as taking initiatives to progress with our strategic pillars. Now moving on to our strategy to the first on page eight. First and foremost, We are steering a transformative journey towards becoming a digital bank with branches. Our transformation into a digital bank is not only adopting the latest technology, but also about creating a physical presence through our innovative work effects. These spaces are more than just places to interact with customers. They are dynamic hubs that promote connectivity. With advanced technology and a commitment to excellent service, Our work efforts are designed to redefine the banking experience. Our second pillar is centered on providing specialized value-added services tailored to our corporate, middle market, and private banking clients. Our commitment is to deliver premium transactional trade, foreign exchange, and advisory products and services, ensuring our clients receive a top-notch experience. In our third pillar, we are committed to fostering innovation and propelling growth. We are not content with the status quo. We aim to lead the change in redefining the banking landscape. We actively seek out new business opportunities, pioneering the sustainable transformation of our clients. By challenging conventions, we aim to drive growth and cultivate success. Lastly, we place great importance on the role of our organization. realize our objectives we are dedicated to building a natural agile collaborative and high performance culture we recognize that diversity is our strength and individuals will flourish based on merit we are constructing a thriving community where talents are nurtured and innovative ideas are highly valued the outstanding success of our digital products have been firmly established during 2023 With the continuous growth of our digital client base, key initiatives such as and more recently, have been instrumental in achieving this. The account was launched in March 2023 and is the first 100% digital sites on saving account for the mass market. It now has over 117,000 clients exceeding our initial expectations for the year and it currently accounts for more than 30% of our new account openings per month. Notably, the onboarding process for Maslucas is entirely digital, featuring facial recognition technology and no password requirements. This account comes with no fixed or variable cost and has accepted deposits up to 5 million pesos. On slide 10, we can see how the advances of our DDoS strategy is allowing us to continue the transformation of the branch network through work cafes to improve productivity. Our banks' work cafe branches are expanding to cater to the specific needs of our clients. We have launched three new types of work cafe formats, including the Work Cafe Expresso, which consolidates cash operations into transaction hubs while maintaining a work cafe ambience. This is a great initiative as it provides an efficient and secure banking experience for our customers. We have already opened five of these branches in 2023 and since its launch, the MPS of the World Cafe Expresso is 74 points, which has helped improve the overall opinion of the bank by 13 points. We also have our World Cafe Startup, which offers a comprehensive solution to all the needs of entrepreneurs and especially to increase banking usage, carry out pilot programs with the bank, and even offer financing. This is a great way to support entrepreneurs and help them grow their business. Finally, we have Launch Work Cafe Inversiones, a dedicated asset management work cafe designed especially for investment advice for clients and non-clients, independent of their income situation. In this branch, we offer weekly talks about different investment products or economic trends to provide advice services and in this way support financial education. At the bottom of the page, you can see how the use of digital channels and the transformation of our branch network is leading to a strong decrease in our branch footprint, decreasing 24% in 2022 and a further 14% in 2023, reaching a total of 247 branches by year end. Notably, 31% of our branches no longer have human sellers with these branches providing value-added services like our traditional work assets. At the same time, our productivity has continued to improve, with loan and deposit volumes per branch increasing by 24% year-over-year and an 8.9% rise in the same metric per employee during the same period. On slide 311, we can see how our key initiatives with SMEs are driving an impressive growth in this segment. Our digital life account for SMEs continues to drive a 19% year-over-year increase in total SME clients with more than 386,000 SME clients. Moreover, there has been a 21% year-over-year increase in active SME clients. When considering current account for businesses, as reported by the CMF, we see a remarkable 35% increase capturing close to 35% of the total market as of October of 2023. GetNet. our acquiring business continues to be an important driver for capturing new SME clients as well as expanding into larger client requiring a hospital solution for more sophisticated clients requiring a more integrated payment system. Currently, GetNet operates more than 163,000 active point of sales, POS terminals across the country. During 2023, GetNet generated fees totaling 45 billion pesos and a net income of 11 billion pesos. Slide 12 illustrates how we have the best cost dynamics in the industry and the tight cost control supported by our digital transformation that we have been able to exercise during 2023. As you can see, with our growing client base and launch of various jail affairs initiatives, such as MassLucas and Work at Expresso, we managed to reduce our costs in 57 billion Chilean pesos. This was thanks to proactively implementing higher standard code passwords for the online account and a dynamic CVD on credit cards. This, among other initiatives, enabled us to renegotiate our fraud and security insurance. Furthermore, we are in the process of implementing Gravit, the sometimes very group's homegrown digital cloud-native core-barking platform. This technology is unique in the industry and has helped Santander become the first major bank in the world with in-house software that digitalizes core banking, allowing the bank to serve our customers faster, better, more efficiently, and reliably. We are in Chile in the finishing stage of the implementation of Gravity, with Santander Consumer already implemented in 2023, and the rest of Santander Chile in the first half of 2024. Our recurrence ratio, that is, our net fees divided by total expenses, is currently at 58%, substantially higher than the rest of the Chilean system. Therefore, the fees generated by our clients through current accounts and value-added products such as cards, insurance, mutual funds, are covering 58% of our expenses. Our costs represent only 1.1% of our assets, compared to 1.5% in the industry. These key performance indicators underscores our organization's transformation towards agility, collaboration, and high performance. On slide 13, we're pleased to show that we have maintained our leadership in terms of our NTS Net Promoter Score, creating a four-point lead in the fourth quarter with our closest peers and reaching a total of 60 points. Our MPS score is based on feedback from more than 60,000 surveys measuring over 30 MPS metrics across our various service channels on a daily basis. This invaluable feedback allows us to proactively manage and improve our client service. Our digital and remote channels continue to receive very high levels of satisfaction from our clients with our app and website reaching scores of about 70 points. Our contact center is also highly rated, outperforming our peers. On slide 14, we can see how we are moving forward with our employees. For the fifth consecutive year, we obtained the top employer certificate. During the year, we carried out three employee surveys called Your Voice, where we measured commitment, leadership, and SPS, simple, personal, and fair. We can see in the graph how these indicators have been steadily improving. We also want to highlight that in January we reached a new collective agreement with our 23 employee unions with inclusion of further employee benefits and the adjustment of the working week to 40 hours, reaching the country's regulatory target years in advance. In terms of diversity, we continue to steadily increase the number of women in higher position and senior management. and with our board elections in April 23, we became the listed Chilean company with the highest participation of female directors in the board. Slide 15 shows our impressive progress with our term-responsible banking goals. As you can see, a number of our original goals have already been met, such as being among the top employers in Chile, 100% of our energy coming from renewable sources sent to our solar plants, The elimination of 100% of single-use plastic, the granting of more than 19,000 scholarships and internships since 2019, far surpassing the original goal, and reaching 100% cargo neutrality. Our remaining goals are progressing along nicely and are well on their way to meeting their target for 2025. We have added an extra goal to have 40 to 60% of women on board of directors, something we achieved in 23 with 44%. Going forward, we will be reviewing where our challenges lie for the coming years and setting ourselves more ambitious targets that I'm positive we will meet. On slide 16, we can see how our efforts are translating into recognitions of our leadership in the Chilean banking industry. In 23, the Banker awarded us Best Bank in Chile while Euromoney recognized us as the Best Bank in Chile and Best Bank for SMEs, corporate social responsibility Diversity and Inclusion and ESG. Furthermore, Global Finance also awarded Best Bank for SMEs, and we gained recognition for our commitment to sustainability in the Latin Trade Index America Sustainability Awards 2023. Furthermore, our advancements in sustainability have been recognized by prominent sustainability with solid ratings from Sustainalytics and MSCI. we were confused as the only Chilean bank to qualify for the Dow Jones Sustainability Index for global emerging companies. Now, let's talk about the trends in our results and balance sheet in 2023 and the fourth quarter. On slide 18, we show our results for 2023. As you can see on the quarterly graph, the net income attributable to shareholders rebounded very strongly, producing the highest quarterly ROE in the year of 16.6%, with this accumulated net income for 2023 total, 496 billion pesos, decreasing 39% year-over-year, impacted by the pressure on margins from the higher cost of company. Our operating segments that excludes the corporate centers and ALM continue to perform well, with 34.7% year-over-year, increasing their net contribution with an important expansion in NII and T. with costs demonstrating the results of our strategy across the segments. Furthermore, the book value of our equity increased 5.8% year-over-year, with our TNAP per share and dividend per share growing 12%. Overall, the accumulated return over our equity for the year reached 11.9%. The results of our corporate and investment banking, or CID, have continued to be impressive, increasing a 65% year-over-year growth. Net contribution from the middle market of corporates increased 27.9% year over year. Both of these commercial segments experienced an important rise in deposit spreads as well as high growth of fees and treasury income. The focus of these segments continues to be on our non-lending activities driving profitability. On slide 20, we can see that retail banking results increased 25.6% year over year driven by the greater client base and more activity by our clients. Our active individual clients include 8.8 thousand private banking and wealth management clients and 62.7 thousand consumer clients and total individual active clients increased 8.1% year over year. Meanwhile, our active ethnic clients have grown 20.9% compared to December last year. The margin in this segment increased 22.3% year-over-year due to a better mix of funding and loan growth. Fees in this segment increased strongly by 21.1% year-over-year, driven by card fees due to greater usage and the increase in the client base, as well as the fee generated by GetNet. Provisions increased 56.7% year-over-year Due to the growth of the portfolio, slowing economic growth and the normalization of asset quality of our retail loans after historically low levels of non-performing loans due to the increase of liquidity of our clients in recent periods. Operating costs increase in a controlled manner by 4.1% year-over-year as the bank continues its legal transformation, generating greater operating efficiency. On slide 21, in the fourth quarter, loan growth was driven by retail lending. Retail banking loans grew 3.1% Q and Q and 7.3% year over year driven by growth in mortgage. In recent periods, the origination of new mortgage loan has decreased due to high inflation and rates. However, in the second half of the year, mortgage loans Once again, it grew stronger than inflation, reaching a growth of 2.5% in the quarter and 8.5% year-over-year in the way that clients adjust to market conditions. Consumer lending grew 6% year-over-year, mainly due to credit card growth after quarters of contraction. Between the end of 2019 and 2021, these loans decreased 7% as clients reduced large purchases such as travel and hotels, which fueled credit card loans. At the same time, many clients paid off credit card debt with the liquidity obtained from government transfers and pension fund withdrawals. At the end of 2022, as household liquidity levels returned to normal and holiday problems resumed, credit card loans began to grow again. Retail banking loans grew 3.1% in the quarter and 7.3% since December 31, 2022, driven by growth in mortgages. In recent periods, the origination of new mortgage loans has decreased, due to high inflation and rates. SME loans grew 2.4% in the quarter after several questions of contraction. The COVID-forgotten loans are now finishing, and therefore we are seeing a reactivation in demand for loans, as well as the impact from expansion of the SME client base to our digital accounts and . Our middle market segment increased 2.1% year over year and grew 1.5% in the quarter. This increase is mainly due to the effect of translation gains on the loans in dollars, mainly for our import and export clients. Around 21% of our commercial loans are in U.S., and the Chilean PESO depreciated 2.9% in 2023. This was explained in part by the 3.3% year-over-year increase in CID and the 1.5% decrease in the quarter. Overall, loans have gone 5.3% year-over-year, and we expect loan growth to remain around mid-single digits in 2024. Slide 22. Liquidity levels remain strong in the quarter. The bank's total deposit increased 3.9% quarter-on-quarter and 9.6% year-over-year. The increase was driven by time deposits and increased 3.1% quarter-on-quarter and 24.3% year-over-year, mainly due to an increase in large corporate deposits as the high interest rates remain attractive to clients. While our demand deposits have decreased 3.9% year-over-year due to a shift to time deposits. The year end saw a strong increase of 4.9% Q and Q in demand deposits as our clients maintain higher liquidity levels. Our client investment through mutual funds intermediated by the bank also during the quarter reaching an increase of 5.4% Q and Q and 25% during the year. Bonds issued increased 9.8% year-over-year and 1.1% for the project. During the year, the bank has issued bonds in US, Chilean pesos, dollars, and Japanese yen, taking advantage of attractive opportunities in the various fixed-income markets locally and abroad. In the first days of 2024, the bank issued a senior bond for a total of 225 million Swiss francs in the Swiss markets with a term of three years and a rate of 2.445%. It had been a while since we tapped this market, and we saw great interest and demand from investors. The Bank's Decree Decode Rate Ratio, which measures the percentage of liquid assets over net cash outflows as of December 31st, 2023, was 202%, well above the minimum. At the same day, the Bank's Net Stable Funding Ratio, an SFR, which measures the percentage of illiquid assets financed through stable funding sources, reaches 106.5%, also well above the current regulatory minimum set for this ratio. On slide 23, we have a simplified balance sheet to help explain the different sensitivities on our structural balance sheet. In terms of inflation, on the asset side, we have around $45 billion in loans, of which nearly 60% is linked to inflation. On the liability side, the bank does have some deposits and bonds in the U.S., however, We also use derivatives to control our exposure to inflation. In terms of interest rates, our time deposits, some $18 billion, have a maturity of 30 to 60 days in general. This means that with the rate increases, the cost of funding increases quickly. However, now that the rate caps have started, the pass-through for our cost of funding is relatively quickly. We also have interest sensitivity due to the FCIC line from the central bank. At the beginning of the pandemic, the bank received a fixed rate credit line from the central bank as part of the FCIC program, which we struck to variable rate in 2020. The FCIC is to be paid in two installments during 2024, on April the 1st and July the 1st. In October, 2023, the central bank launched a liquidity deposit program that offers central bank instruments a floating monetary policy rate with maturities on the FCIT payment base. The bank began to replace part of the central bank papers that were in the available for sale portfolio with these liquidity deposits recognized in the Help to Collect portfolio. As of December 31, 2023, the bank has invested $3.9 billion in this instrument. For us, the payment of the FCIT will not have a significant impact in our NII as we will be paying a variable rate liability with the variable rate liquidity deposit from the central bank. In terms of our net interest margin ratio, we should see an improvement as the denominator, our interest earning assets, decreases as we use our liquidity assets for the payments. In terms of margins, the bank's NIM in the quarter reached 2.9% and 2.2% for the year. As shown on this slide, we separate our client NIM from our ALM activities. The client NIM, which is defined as NII from our business segments over interest earning assets, has increased as deposit and loan spreads have risen. However, our non-client NIM shows the effects of the U.S. gap between our assets and liabilities and our liquidity management. In general, the bank is well positioned for a fall in real rates where our liabilities repricing faster than our assets. The variation of the U.S. in the fourth quarter was very high, at 1.6 percent. However, we're expecting a very low inflation for the first quarter of 2024. This pass-through of the lowering variation in the U.S. to our margin is immediate and will pressure our margins downward at the beginning of this year. Meanwhile, the central bank of Chile cut interest rates again by 100 basis points in January, and we expect further cuts in the coming quarters. For 2024, we expect our NIMS to start weaker than the fourth quarter. However, recovering strongly as the year goes on to reach total NIMS of 3 to 3.5% for 2024, depending on the evolution of rate cuts in Chile. Moving on to asset quality on slide 25. The NPL ratio reaches 2.3%, a little below current trend due to a calendar effect on December 31st. The coverage of MPLs as of December 2023 reached 157%, and there has been no reversal of voluntary provision. Our impaired loan ratio, which includes the MPLs and restructural loans, reached 5.6%, still below pre-pandemic levels, but showing the same upward trend. We believe that MPLs should continue to increase slightly as asset quality follows the economic cycle and the labor market. On slide 76, we show how The asset quality of the loan product was over the last four years. As displayed, we now have higher coverage for all our products. While the MPL ratio has been rising, the impaired ratio remains under control for consumer and mortgage loans. Our commercial loan book is showing more signs of deterioration with MPLs reaching 3% and the impaired ratio 7.6%. As we can see on the graph on the right, most of the effect is concentrated on the small and medium-sized companies. As a reminder, these SME loans account for around 9% of our total loan group. As we can see on slide 27, overall, our cost of credit remain in line with our guidance of 1.2%. In the graph on the bottom left, we can see how the cost of risk per segment is now similar to where we were before the pandemic. We expect cost of credit to remain at those levels for 2024 with a better performance in the second semester. On slide 38, we moved to non-net interest income revenue sources, which continue showing exceptional growth trends. Income from fees and treasury rose 6.4% compared to the fourth quarter in 2022 and decreased 5.2% in the quarter. This decrease was mainly due to lower insurance brokers and lower collection fees. However, commissions of our products continue with good trends. The gradual implementation of the new interchange fee regulation started in October and will reduce fee growth in the fourth quarter, and we estimate a negative impact in fees in 2024 of 25 billion pesos and 47 billion pesos for 2025. Considering this impact, for 2024, we expect this line's items to grow around 8% with strong growth from client and products mitigating the interchange fee impact. The result from financial constructions increased 37.9% year-over-year, mainly due to higher gains on foreign exchange hedges, and decreased 30.2% quarterly, mainly due to negative results in the inefficiency of hedges of the portfolio managed by financial management and the sale of portfolios in the period. As shown on slide 29, we also can see the bank's efforts to continue increasing and increased 3% in the quarter. The quarterly decrease in personal expenses is mainly due to lower spending on short-term incentives in fourth quarter in line with the decrease in number of branches. Meanwhile, our expenses grew 18% in the quarter mainly due to higher IT and communication expenses and outsourced services such as technological developments in the quarter. The bank has focused on advancing in the execution of the investment plan of $450 million for the years 2023 to 2026 with a focus on digital initiatives and the renovation of branches. Moving on to slide 30, we observe a positive evolution of our capital ratios. At the end of the fourth quarter of 2023, the bank recorded a core equity ratio of 11.1% and a total ratio of 17.6% after the distribution of final dividends that amounted to 60% of the 2022 earnings. In May, the regulator announced that from next year, the TM banks will need to include a counter-cyclical buffer of 0.5%. This together with the conservation buffer of 2.5% and the systemic buffer of 1.5% means that our minimum fully loaded forever to Q1 will be 9% in December 2025. On January 17, 2024, the CMF applied the current regulation on additional capital requirements according to Pillar 2, which contemplates two main topics, credit concentration risk and the market risk of the banking book. A Pillar 2 requirement was established for six banks in the Chilean system. They did not assign a charge to Santander, Chile on this occasion. However, the measurement of the market of the banking book will continue to be discussed, and capital charges may be made in the coming years. On slide 32, we conclude with some guidance for 2024. Our strategy of a digital bank with work access will continue to provide us with greater digital client base with solid free growth and advances in operation efficiency. For 2024, our market expectations are more positive with an estimated GDP of close to 2% and a U.S. variation around 2.5%, with our monetary policy rating ending 2024 at 4%. With this, we expect long growth to reach mid-single digits as the economy reactivates. As rates continue to fall, our margins will continue to recover, reaching a range of 3 to 3.5% in 2024 depending on the evolution of trade caps. Non-NII should be growing around 8% with good customer product trends but impacted by lower interchange fees. Cost of risk should be stabilizing during the year around 1.2% with asset quality following the economic cycle. should be growing in line with its inflation while maintaining best-in-class levels and effective tax rates will be normalized. With all of this, our ROE for 2024 will be recovering towards normalized levels, around 15 to 17%, with the first quarter of 2024 impacted by the low quarter inflation and reaching an ROE in the neighborhood of 10% the first quarter, with profitability improving during the year. Finally, our guidance for long-term ROE remains unchanged at between 17% to 19%. With this, I finish my presentation, and now we will gladly answer any questions you have.

Thank you very much for the presentation. We will now be moving to the Q&A part of the call. If you have a question, please press star 2 on your keypad. That's star 2 on your keypad for a voice question. You may also ask a voice question if you're dialed in via the web. Okay, our first question comes from Mr. Tito Labarda from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead, sir.

Hi, good morning. Thank you for the call and taking my questions. A couple questions, again, just to follow up a little bit on the asset quality and loan growth, right? I'm starting to see a little deterioration there, but I think, you know, as you mentioned, more normalization. Just how much more do you think you could expect in terms of asset quality deterioration And in terms of how that could impact the loan growth, if things recover faster than expected, do you think it could be upside to your loan growth or any risk to getting to that mid-single-digit loan growth and maybe just some color on the loan growth by the different segments where you see the bigger opportunities?

Thank you. Thanks, Tito. So first on the loan growth part, we don't see a relevant risk. regarding our guidance of mid-single digits, five to six percent. We see different composition in the way that growth should happen. We see more opportunities in the second half of the year for our consumer loan portfolio due to lower rates, lower short-term rates that are going to be probably in the market by the third quarter. Apart from that, we don't see any extraordinary risk to our guidance. We should see a relevant growth to our retail portfolio of SMEs and personal loans compared to the larger corporate customers. And regarding the cost of risk, we're currently at a 1.2% cost of trade we see. Some pressures that are coming along with the cycle, you know, unemployment is closing 9% to 10% for the country, so this is pressuring a little the MPLs. And so MPLs should be going up to 2.5 to maybe 2.6 levels in the worst part of the period, and then normalizing. We see a more favorable second half of the year, so we are thinking of a total year guidance of 1.2 for the cost of credit.

Okay, that's very clear. Thank you.

Okay, thank you very much. Our next question comes from Mr. Ernesto Gabilondo from Bank of America. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you. Hi, good morning, Emiliano and Christian. Thanks for taking my call. I have a couple of questions from my side. The first one will be on your name guidance. So when making the numbers, I believe you're expecting NIM expansion between 110, 130 basis points to the 3.5%. Having said that, can you walk us through on how should we expect NIM during 2024, especially considering the maturity of the derivative hedge and after paying back the credit line to the central bank? Just wondering if we can divide how should we speak NIM for the first half and NIM for the second half. And then my second question will be on Santander Life. Can you talk a little bit more on how profitable is already Santander Life? I don't know if you can share like a P&L for this segment. What could be like the efficiency and the ROE for this segment? And I don't know if you have like a medium term target for this business. Thank you.

Hello, Ernesto. This is Emiliano. Thank you for your question. I take the first one and I leave the second one for Cristian. So regarding the NEM profile for the year, I think that it would be useful to see the NEM slide where you see the pollution during the quarters in 2023 that definitely the effect on NIMS is the combination between the level of inflation and the level of rates. So as you saw in the fourth quarter last year, we still had high rates, but the level of inflation was high enough to be able to sustain a NIMS close to 3% for the quarter. In 2024, we have the first half with a NIMH lower than the total year, lower due to two main reasons. First, that we have this negative CPI in December that is impacting the U.S. in the first quarter, so the NIMH for the first quarter will be in the low 2% if you want. I mean, assuming that low inflation, but it's true that the rate scenario has been evolving favorable for our balance sheet because the central bank had 100 basis points on Wednesday and also provided a quite, let's say, dovish forward guidance. Then when you go to the rest of the year, the NIM will be going up because rates will keep going down and inflation they will be closing the year in UF variation around 2.5, 2.7 for the year. And the second half will have NIMS going north of 3.5 probably because of the combination of rates and inflation. And also, as you mentioned, that the expiration of the FCIC will imply a significant reduction on the denominator because the balance sheet, I mean, the total interest-bearing assets will go down because basically we will be deleveraging the balance sheet, paying off that liability with short-term securities, and so that will make the arithmetic of the mean to take it north of 3.5 for the second half, and as you said, finishing the year between 3 and 3.5, depending on the on the combination of inflation and rates during the year.

Thank you for the live question, Ernesto. While we are not disclosing yet the for live, I can give you some numbers for your better understanding of the initiative. Currently we have about $1.3 billion in customer deposits related to life and about $100 million in consumer loans in the life account. Fees for the segment means about $32 million a year in card fees for ourselves. So the monthly fees that a customer pays to access the card, that costs about $3. We are currently having close to 100% of our live customers on a digital model with no relationship manager assigned to them. So that's very, very helpful for us to drive the cost of serving the customer very low. And the customer acquisition cost for every single live customer is paid within three months. That means that on the fourth month that a live customer gets into the bank, it's already processed. So those are some figures to give you some flavor of how the life is currently performing.

Oh, no, thank you very much, Emiliano and Christian. Just a follow-up on Santander Live. So how many clients do you have today? I don't know if you have a target to get or to approach to a certain amount of clients.

So currently in terms of current accounts, total current account customers for the bank, we have... About 300,000, a little more than 300,000 SME customers, 1.3 million live current account customers and about 1 million traditional current accounts. So that's 2.6 million current accounts total. We're aiming to get by 2026 to an area of 4.5 million customers. So we are closely monitoring these triggers to drive our customer expansion.

Perfect. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you very much. Our next question comes from Mr. Yuri Fernandez from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead, sir.

Hey, guys. Thank you very much for taking my question. I have a first one regarding the normalization of taxes in the guidance. What normalizes tax mean? If you can provide a range on that. Then I would like to ask about deposits. When we... I like a lot your breakdown by business units, right? You have the retail, the middle, the corporate. But when I check, like, the deposits growth, it seems that most growth is coming from CIB, right? Like, potentially larger, like, more wholesale kind of funding. So my question is, what you are seeing on the funding side? Are you, you know, like, I don't know, maybe households, they're seeing a more challenging scenario and you don't see a lot of retail deposits. But just want to get some help to understand a little bit the funding cost on the bank going forward because a point of concern is that the wholesale funding may be a little bit more expensive. So I'd like to get your thoughts on this different deposit growth. And then I may do a follow-up. Thank you.

Thank you, Yuri. I'll take the next one and Emiliano will address the next one. Regarding tax, the recurring statutory tax rate for Chilean entities, Chilean corporations is 27%. Normally, our historical tax rate on normal inflation years and without other effects, between 23 to 25%. We expect inflation will be more in the 2.5 range this year to be reaching those levels. And anticipating a little Emiliano's answer, there is some certain stationality in the last quarter in terms of how corporations display their end of year of their deposits, so it's like a sort of flight to quality and we see interesting flows from those companies in December, but more details with Emiliano. Emiliano Aguirre- Hello, Yuri. Thank you for your question.

Yeah, regarding the like cost of deposit, I think that going forward we have two main, like, takeaways. I mean, first is, like, the rates going down, so the cost of time deposits will go down significantly during the year. We have been doing, I would say, a very aggressive tactic in terms of pricing the different segments in individuals in SMEs, trying to increase the margin coming from time deposits. when you look at the beta, taking the beta at the top, the average cost of time deposit in pesos for the whole bank, compared to the monetary policy rates, we were able to take that from 92, 93% of the rates to close to 80, 82%. I mean, that's because we have been, that's implied, as you mentioned, some kind of loss of balances from maybe affluent or private banking clients that are more price sensitive, but as an overall strategy was very profitable for us. So the cost of pet deposits will be positive going forward. And the second is the mix, as you were pointing out, the wholesale or middle market to bigger corporates has been doing better in terms of liability balances, but it's also true that it was the first segment to stop falling in demand deposits and stabilizing and now starting to grow demand deposits which are non-interest bearing. So also the mix between time and demand deposits that was part of the headwind we had this last few years because of the level of rates and the opportunity cost that the clients had. Now going forward, we expect that mix to start improving from where we are now. And we are relatively like optimistic with how the cost of fund will support the names going forward.

Super helpful Emiliano and Christian. If I may, just on a more strategic question here on the client mix, you discussed life previously and you had this breakdown of, you know, customers by segmentation, you were doing GetNet, you had the office strategy. My question to you is regarding the needs of clients going forward, right? Historically, I think most of your retail clients, they are higher income. Is there any change to that? Like, is Santander willing to go more lower income in Chile? Like, how should we think about, like, your positioning on the customer mix in Chile going forward? Thank you.

Yeah, I mean, definitely, as you said, if you compare the mix in terms of number of clients, now our composition is much more geared to the middle low part of the pyramid. And I would say that the main – driver for that switch of the strategy and also going forward is digitalization, right? I mean, the cost to serve clients with branches and with an account representative for each client, that is a very expensive model to serve, and that's historically produced that only middle to high-income individuals were able to create enough revenue to sustain such an expensive model to serve them. And now, with all the work we have been doing in developing the digital solutions, we are able to have a very efficient, cost-efficient model to serve any kind of client, and as we're showing the life initiative because of the balances it created in terms of deposits and also the great presentation we are seeing. It's a very profitable source of business for us. So yes, I mean I would say that the number – we have the ambition to grow in number of clients and in the composition definitely compared to, I don't know, five, 10 years ago, that will be much more massive if you want. We don't have at this moment of the cycle and a specific high appetite for lending or for credit because we are, as we are seeing the economy is still going out of the recession we had, but definitely that will provide some raw material going forward to cross-sell or to up-sell. And even the pure transactionality with how efficient we are in the digital solutions makes a business case to sustain the client on their payments, on their transactionality, looking forward to up-sell and cross-sell them depending on their behavior and their profiles.

Super clear and makes a lot of sense. Thank you. Thank you guys for the answers.

Okay, thank you. Our next question comes from Ms. Neha Agarwala from HSBC. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Hi, thank you for taking my question. Could I clarify on the liquidity after you repay the central bank bonds in the middle of this year? Should that pressure your liquidity? Could you clarify that? I think you have deposits to cover for it, but if you could clarify any impact on liquidity coming from that. And my second question is on asset quality. You mentioned the pocket where you're seeing some worsening is the SMEs, but any other part of the loan book where you're seeing stress and any extraordinary provisions that you would like to make during the year for any of these segments? Thank you so much.

Thank you for your question. I'll take the first one and I'll leave the second one for Christian. regarding the maturity of the FCIC, that won't create any liquidity pressure because as we mentioned in some calls in the past, the central bank in January of 2023 established a kind of phase out strategy or regulation for banks that basically forced banks to start buying high liquid assets starting January 2023 to cover 100% of the majority of the ACSC. I mean, what that means is that by the date of the majority, we and all the rest of the banks will have 100% of that money in short term or maybe not short term by highly liquid assets. And that's why in terms of the calculation or computation of the NIM and any other ratio that uses total assets or interest-bearing assets as a numerator that we create because at the end we have, roughly speaking, like 10% of the assets in that facility that will go away together with the liabilities. So in terms of liquidity, let's say that we'll reach that maturity with a 100% refunding on that and won't impact. I mean, it has been impacting, if you want, during this last year, and by the date of maturity, we will have it fully funded.

So, Mica, regarding a deep dive into our quality, first, we are very happy with the current performance of our consumer loan book. It's actually very, very healthy. The mortgage loan, the mortgage loan, we are monitoring very closely the performance because there are some specific, very specific parts of the portfolio that are suffering due to the higher rates and the inflation of the last years that have increased their monthly payments. That is something that's very concentrated on a specific part of the portfolio in the mortgage book. And regarding the commercial portfolio, let me remind you that we have about a 14% total market share for the commercial portfolio. And when you look at how it's composed, we have about an 11% market share in the single name, like individual, large, middle market, and corporates, and about a 20% market share in the SME portfolio. So we are actually quite at ease with the larger part of the portfolio, the commercial middle market and corporates. But in the SMEs, we see pressures in three specific industries. Construction and real estate has been something that is happening worldwide. Very, very short-term funding, stress by highways, and the increased cost of materials and construction costs that is impacting that segment. Agricultural, particularly in Chile, because of the flooding of the El Niño range in the third quarter that has impacted crops. And the hotels and restaurants that have been suffering since 2019 and COVID, and there are specific names there in the semi-portfolio that are stressed. So all in all, we see these are very contained, but and I expect that I give you a little more understanding of how this is going to be working on.

Super helpful. If I could just verify the numbers. You mentioned that you have about 11% market share in the very large corporates and about 20% market share in the SMEs. And it is in the SMEs where for specific cases, you are seeing some problems, but the large accounts are okay.

Yeah, perfect.

Perfect. Thank you so much.

Okay, thank you very much. Our next question comes from Mr. Ewald Bittencourt from Bits and Dishonest. Please go ahead, sir.

Hello. Thanks for the presentation. How do you expect to evolve the addressable market size of lower-income clients and thus the profitability of digital initiatives in targeting those segments, considering the regulators increasing some loan loss provisioning needs, capital needs. Thanks.

So, Thomas, can you explain a little more your question?

So I didn't really get... Well... My question is how do you expect, what's your expectation for the total market size of lower income clients to evolve given that the regulator has increased some loan loss provisioning needs, or at least is targeting to increase those loan loss provisioning needs. My question revolves around if you expect to still be profitable, those digital initiatives you're targeting, given that the total size of potential clients could decrease.

Yeah, so, well, yes, thank you. So, yes, your question, say, it implies more on the economics of lending, which definitely is a revenue source for our business, but in that kind of middle to low part of the pyramid clients, like most of life clients also must look at clients, that we can make money without lending much. Let's say our customer acquisition cost for those digital clients. I mean, in the first part of the life cycle, it was like close to one or two dollars. I mean, that was like maybe too good to maintain. Now we are closer to the seven, 10 dollars of customer acquisition cost. And when you look at the, the lifetime value of those clients, mainly on liabilities, transactionality, and related businesses, you see you get a payback close to four or five months in that, and then you have some appreciation. And so we think that we can make a profitable business with that number of clients, despite the fact that when we consider lending and start penetrating them with different products for lending, we have to factor in, as you said, higher costs in provisioning and also in capital. But we do expect to keep being profitable in acquiring those kinds of clients despite the higher regulatory pressure.

Okay. Thanks very much.

Thank you very much. Our final question comes from Mr. Daniel Mora from Credit Core Capital. Please go ahead, sir.

Hi, good morning, and thank you for the presentation. I have a couple of questions. The first one is regarding the performance of the new credit card loans. We saw during the last quarter a strong pace of growth with a double-digit growth, even quarterly and annual. And I would like to understand if you are feeling comfortable with the performance of these loans, with these new vintages, or should we start to think that the performance is worse than, for example, the loans that were disbursed at the beginning of 2023 or 2022? That would be the first question. And the second one is regarding the guidance of ROE. Just to understand the 15, 17 range that you provide in the presentation is the full year ROE because if we start with the first quarter with a 10% ROE, it means that in the second half of the year, we should be close to the 20% or even above. Thank you so much.

Hello, Daniel. Thank you for your question. I mean, starting with the second one, yes, that is the full year guidance for ROE, and as you mentioned, As you mentioned, starting at 10% fourth quarter, assuming the path of rates that even after the Wednesday meeting that the central bank stated that the neutral rate of 4% will be reached during the second half, you get ROEs close to 20 that, let's say, give you that average of 15 to 17% for the full year. And regarding asset quality in credit cards, I mean, we are comfortable. I mean, what we are seeing when you look at the graph of the evolution of credit cards, you have to factor in also the effect of inflation. I mean, definitely in terms of nominal pesos, the credit card business has a very tight link to inflation. And so when you look at the evolution of the balances in real terms, let's say we are going back to the pre-pandemic levels. I mean, at the end what happened is that households get a lot of liquidity from the pension fund withdrawals and also from the fiscal helps during the pandemic. So part of that liquidity was spent. Part of the liquidity was invested, and part of the liquidity was used to pay back debt. Basically, households got some delivery during the pandemic, and now they are going back to normal levels of leverage, and we know quite well that the clients have their profiles, and we are not seeing a specific duration of the new vintages in the credit cards business.

Perfect. Thank you so much. That will be all from my side. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you very much. It looks like we have no further questions. I'll pass the line back to the management team for the concluding remarks.

Thank you all very much for taking the time to participate in today's call. We look forward to speaking with you again soon.

Thank you very much. This concludes today's conference call. We'll now be closing all the lines. Thank you and goodbye. Bye-bye.