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spk05: Welcome to the Compania de Minas Buena Ventura Fourth Quarter 2023 Earnings Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. And please note that this call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's call, Mr. Gabriel Salas, Investor Relations. Mr. Salas, you may begin.
spk07: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today to discuss our fourth quarter 2023 results. Today's discussion will be led by Mr. Leandro Garcia, Chief Executive Officer. Also joining our call today and available for your questions are Mr. Daniel Dominguez, Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Juan Carlos Ortiz, Vice President of Operations, Mr. Aldo Massa, Vice President of Business Development and Commercial, Mr. Alejandro Hermosa, Vice President of Sustainability, Mr. Renzo Maher, Vice President of Projects, Mr. Juan Carlos Salazar, Vice President of Explorations, Mr. Roque Benadidez, Chairman, and Mr. Raul Benadidez, Director. Before I hand our call over, let me first touch on a few items. On Buenaventura's website, you will find our press release that was posted yesterday after the market closed. Please note that today's remarks include forward-looking statements that are based on management's current views and assumptions. While management believes that its assumptions, expectations, and projections are reasonable in view of the currently available information, you are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements. I encourage you to read the full disclosure concerning forward-looking statements within the earnings results press release issued on February 29, 2024. Let me now turn the call to Mr. Leandro Garcia.
spk12: Thank you, Gabriel. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today to discuss the quarterly results of the compact. On the slide two is our cautionary statement, important information that I encourage you to read, please. We assume that you have already read the full year 2023 results reported yesterday. Moving on to the next slide, our presentation will cover the five main topics shown on this agenda and will be followed by our Q&A session where our team and myself will be happy to answer your questions. Let's begin with some overview of the key highlights of the 2023. Our EBITDA from direct operations for the 2023 has increased 38% compared to the previous year. It is worth mentioning that the figures do not include the $300 million obtained last year from the sale of our stake in Yanacoche. Our cash position remains strong in the fourth quarter of last year. due to a strong performance at Del Brocal, resulting in a leverage rate of 205 times the lowest in two years and within our target range. Full year 2023 net income was $33 million, negatively impacted by $113 U.S. million non-cash provision related to former Sunat disputes. Capital expenditures in 2023 total $239 million, including $94 million allocated to the San Gabriel project. Additionally, Buenaventura made an extra investment of $33 million in advance payments for the San Gabriel project. When taking into account both aspects, the total disbursement for San Gabriel project amounted to $127 million. We are pleased to share that our dividends received from Cerro Verde during the quarter have contributed up to $49 million, strengthening our overall financial performance. The company received a total of U.S. dollars 147 million in dividends for the full year 2023. Production from Junpac's pilot stove began in November 2023. producing 2.3 million ounces of silver by year end. UNPAC continued processing ore from the pilot stop through January 2024, after which mineral processing was suspended until definite operating permits are obtained, expected by the end of the first quarter of this year. UNPAC is therefore expected to relish mineral processing in the second quarter of this year. Record 2023 copper production resulted from successful migration to massive underground metal enabling El Brocal to ultimately achieve an average of 10,800 tons per day during the fourth quarter 2023, surpassing its targeted 10,000 tons per day underground mine exploration rate. Our consolidated production of copper, silver, and gold throughput 2023 has yielded the following results. 58,000 tons of fine copper attributed to the exceptional production of the Dorcal, meeting the upper range of the guidance. 9.2 million ounces of silver achieving the full year guidance. During the fourth quarter of 2023, Uchukchakwa and Yumpak contributed to with 2.6 million ounces. 155,000 ounces of gold with consistent production of porcopampa. This production enables us to surpass the upper range of the guidance. Moving on to our cost structure in slide 5, aligned with our strategy to increase our copper exposure, we are showing the all-in sustaining cost figures as copper and gold equivalent. Here you can see that our 2023 all-in sustaining costs have reduced by 8% and 27% respectively year over year. This reduction is primarily attributed to the copper production at the Procal and silver production at Yumpac. However, it is important to mention that both figures are a consolidated basis and include 100% of Buenaventura, La Sanja and El Brocal. Moving on the cost applicable to sales strength. As you can see, the prioritization of copper ore at El Brocal and the ramp up in the underground mine is translating into a 10% cost reduction year over year. Silver cash has decreased 3% year over year, primarily driven by lower costs during the fourth quarter of 2023, with the contribution of Uchukchakwa and Yumpak . Gold cash has remained relatively flat year over year, despite the resource depletion at La Zanja and lower production income of maize. On the next slide, we will be presenting the free cash flow generation during 2023 we reduced our cash position by $34 million, primarily due to the intensive capital expansion campaign, which includes San Gabriel. The bid to free cash flow reconciliation is explained by the following breakdown of inflows and upflows. The brocados, Corcovampa and Tambo Mayo, have been the main contributors for the 2020 period, while La Sanja, Culcana and Uchuchacua had a negative EBITDA due to the lower production for the first two assets and current maintenance at Uchukchakwa for the first nine months. However, we recorded a positive EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 2023 thanks to the resumption of Uchukchakwa and the contribution of YUMPA. As we have mentioned before, Buenaventura is going through a growth phase with an extensive CAPEX related to YUMPA and San Gabriel. It has been partially offset by the dividends received from Cerro Bel. In the following slides, I would like to illustrate our main four flagships. First, EUNPAC producing at full potential once the definite operating permits have been obtained, expected by the end of the first quarter of 2024. Second, El Brocal underground mine expansion at 12 tons per day in the following two years. Third, San Gabriel ramp-up and the first gold bar during the year 2025. And the fourth, Cerro Verde dividend distribution for approximately between $120 and $150 million in the following year. As you can see, our flexion mines offer over 10 years of uninterrupted research and resource extraction. we have updated our resource and reserve values, showing in copper, we have 1.9 million tons of reserves, along with an additional 3.1 million tons of resources. In silver, we have 128 million ounces of reserves, with UPAC making a significant contribution. Additionally, we have 199 million of resources. Lastly, In gold, we have 2.8 million ounces of reserves, with San Gabriel being our primary future gold production source. Additionally, we have 3.5 million ounces of resources. Moving forward to our 2024 guidance, as evident, the prioritization of copper ore at Del Borcal and the ramp up in the underground mine will enable us to maintain an annual copper production in 2024 between 55,000 tons and 60,000 tons per year. Silver production will see a 65% year-over-year increase primarily due to the contributions of Uchukchakwa and Yumpak silver also. Gold production will decrease by 12% year-over-year primarily due to the reduce contribution of Cambomayo gold aust. Lastly, it is also relevant that in 2024, we estimate executing between 300 and 320 million dollars of CAPEX, with approximately 220 allocated to development of San Gabriel. The total CAPEX estimates for the project are being reviewed due to some delays and escalation costs. we are continuously looking for optimization and efficiencies in the project to control the capex as much as possible. Moving on to slide 10, in the next year, Buenaventura will be focusing most of its efforts in San Gabriel project because it will be a relevant contributor to the company's value. It will add more than 14 years of life of mine to the company. and another 14 years if we consider the resources. On this slide, you can see the project's progress quarter by quarter. In the upcoming quarter, we will complete the installation of the concrete plant and the construction of the campus. On the next slide, we are showing the earth movement activities for the processing plant facility. On slide 11, you can see the progress of the construction until the end of the third quarter 2023. While in slide 12, we can see an update on the construction towards the end of the fourth quarter of 2023. By 2023 year end, we have filled over 80,000 cubic meters of material and cut over 250,000 cubic meters. On the next slide, we show a couple of photographs of other components of the project along with their updates as of the end of the fourth quarter of 2023. At the top, you can see the San Gabriel definite campsite with a 98% of progress and over 1,000 beds already installed. The photograph at the bottom shows the progress of the main storage area where we already have 40% of the equipment on site. 30% of the equipment have already arrived to Peru, but are pending to be transported to the site. Finally, I would like to finish the presentation with a couple of closing remarks. First, San Gabriel will allow us to stabilize our boat production at 130 to 150 thousand ounces yearly in the mid-term. We are on track as we aim for our first gold bar by the second half of 2025. The ongoing success of Yunpeng confirms its status as a world-class asset marked by constantly high silver grades. As we have mentioned, the definite operating permits are expected by March 2024. El Brocal is strategically focusing on the copper underground mine, maximizing margins and gearing up for a robust ramp-up to 12,000 tons per day in the mid-chart. We are ensuring full funding for our growth projects and sustaining capital expenses. Thank you for your attention. I will hand the call back to the operator to open the line for questions. Operator, please go ahead.
spk05: Thank you, sir. If you would like to ask a question, please press star then one on your telephone keypad. If your question has already been addressed and you'd like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. Once again, that is star then one if you have a question. We will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. And today's first question comes from Cesar Perez Novoa with BTG Pactual. Please go ahead.
spk03: Yes, good morning to everyone and congratulations for your results, by the way. So I have three questions, if I may. My first one relates to your material operational improvement in the final quarter of the year, which, among several operational enhancements, and of course, Umpag, led to an important rise in operating performance in the EBITDA. How should we think about costs in 2024 And would the EBITDA that was reported in the final quarter of the year be a new level going forward? Of course, assuming stable prices. Could you comment on its sustainability and costs? That would be my first question. The second one relates if there is any situation on any of your direct operations that will encounter some sort of maintenance downtime in 2024. If this would be the case, which quarter and for which operation? And finally, there is an article in media that recently resurfaced that says that Cerro Verde plans to execute a series of modifications in its production unit for an investment of around $646 million. If this would be the case, what was this specifically involved And would this imply some expansion at the concentrator? If you could share some views on that and perhaps production guidance for Cerro Verde and CAPEX, that would be extremely thank you.
spk12: Thank you, Cesar, for your questions. Well, we foresee the cost to maintain, in terms of copper and gold, in line with the 2023 last quarter cost. In terms of any situation that could affect any of our units, we have to mention that in Coimbatore we are expecting a permit that will allow us to continue the works and the piling in the path. More details, maybe Daniel and Juan Carlos can give more follow-up to your question.
spk10: Thank you, Leandro. This is Juan Carlos. Thank you, Cesar, for your question. Yeah, regarding, as Leandro mentioned, regarding operating costs on copper and gold, we foresee kind of stable costs from what we have reported in 2023 coming in line in 2024. In the case of silver, because now we have a full year with production in Chacua, which is a Chacua mine, and also in June pack, we foresee a reduction. from what was in 2003. Maybe $19 per ounce of silver in 2003, probably coming down closer to $16 per ounce of silver in these two units. But it's going to be along the year because we are wrapping up production in Chukchakwa and we are stabilizing production as we have a project in preparation in June. So it's going to be a progress in the cost of these two units for similar production. And regarding the potential downtime in the name of the units, as a potential risk, so with a delay in the permits in June pack that we foresee for the end of the first quarter, that probably could make a week or two later, that's in the range of risk, hopefully not, And in the case of Coimbatore, we're suspecting some permits in order to build the expansion of the paths to continue with our leaching operations, so also depending on that. Our guidance also includes the case that we are delaying this construction of Coimbatore for the paths, so any advance or any speed-up of the project will be a net gain on the expected production against our guidance that was published a couple of weeks ago.
spk09: Okay, thank you. To add with what Juan Carlos said, in the fourth quarter, Cesar, we had a very strong EBITDA. In the first quarter of this year, we will have impact for a couple of months, so this will impact the EBITDA of the quarter. However, for the full year, we expect a total EBITDA of around $220, $240 million. All right. Thank you, Daniel.
spk05: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Carlos de Alba with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
spk01: Yeah, thank you very much. Good morning, everyone. Maybe just a very quick follow-up to Cesar's question and to your response on the EBITDA for the year. Under what commodity prices, Daniel, are you forecasting these 200 to 240?
spk09: Hi, Carlos. Thanks for your question. The prices that we're using to these estimates are for gold, $1,900, for copper, $8,500, and for silver, $23 per ounce. All right.
spk01: OK. Thank you, Daniel. So the questions I have, I'll just mention one at a time, and then we can have a conversation. One is, can you maybe provide a little bit more color on what you did in the earnings release regarding the SUNAT situation, the tax disputes with the SUNAT? Basically, I understood you took $112 million, $113 million provision. It's non-cash because you already made that payment. but does this indicate that the likelihood of maybe winning the case has reduced? How do you see the perspective of your chances of eventually winning the case? Where are we in the legal process and what comes ahead? What are the next steps?
spk12: Thank you, Carlos, for your question. Actually, we have registered this provision because of the, based on the opinion of our lawyers, the probability to win the case is lower than 50%. So, we, as accounting standards, we should register this write-off. The case is not dead. We continue a second phase that will be in the Constitutional Court. In that stage, we expect to recover our position and the trial should go back to the Supreme Court. This is for only a part of all the trial of the process and is regarding the years 2009 and 2010. So there is a lot of time to expect and it's an ongoing news.
spk01: Okay, and so the next step is for you to file, I guess, an appeal in the constitutional court, right? But you have not done that. And if you haven't, when do you plan to do this? And typically, is there any rule of thumb, any expectation as to how long the process at the constitutional court could last?
spk09: Carlos, we have already done this in December, and we are expecting in the following months to have an answer from the Sunat. All right.
spk01: Okay. Thank you. And then my next question is on Jompaq. And the permits, you mentioned in the press release that you expect to receive them in the first quarter. How certain are you of this? Do you have any indication that this potentially could be delayed into the second quarter or third quarter? How confident are you that Yom Kippur could start really ramping up again in the second quarter?
spk12: Well, In terms of permit, you know that the country, the administration is trying to make efforts to give to all the administrators to have shorter times to grant the permits. We are, in a daily basis, we have meetings with the organizations and the authorities all the questions that they have to allow us to have this, to be granted of this permit as soon as possible. We are making all the efforts to have it before the quarter end this year. Probabilities, I cannot tell you, but be sure that this is one of our daily and jobs that we have to do, our daily targets.
spk01: Fair enough, Leandro. Just my last question for you, Leandro, or maybe Roque and Raúl. How do you envision this new phase of the company with a very relevant second large shareholder that now, my understanding is, potentially could receive two seats in the board of directors? How does this change the company? How do you see the company going forward? And what do you expect in terms of this relationship with Antofagasta?
spk12: Well, Carlos, as a management and all the corporate, we are very comfortable with the business plan and the strategy we have. Maybe we have not talked with Antoparasta yet. We just received the approval of the shareholders to increase the number of directors. So we will see. We will expect our first meeting. Maybe, Roque, if you want to add additional comments.
spk02: They are important shareholders, and we respect all shareholders. They suggested a couple of names. Mr. Ivan Arriagada and Mr. Andronico Luksic. And we are proposing those names to the shareholders meeting for approval. I look forward to an excellent relationship. I happen to know Mr. Andronico Luksic, the founder, many years ago. And I think the industry has a lot of respect for Antofagasta. So we hope to work together in a very constructive way. There is nothing more than that.
spk01: Thank you, Roque. Thank you, Leandro.
spk05: Thank you. And as a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question on the audio call, please press star then 1. If you are listening via the webcast, you may also ask questions via the webcast platform. Today's next audio question comes from Tanya Yakushkonek with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.
spk00: Great. Good morning, everyone, and thank you so much for taking my questions. And, Rocky, if I can just follow up on the Antifagasta, it seems from your comments that you haven't really sat down with them to see exactly what they want. I mean, We listened to their conference call in terms of what they mentioned, but I'm more interested in if you've been able to have conversations with them.
spk02: Well, their interest essentially being a copper company is in the Peruvian market and in the copper assets of Buenaventura. As you know, we have Trapiche and we have Coimolache, we have La Sanja, Obviously, we have Brocal and we have an equity participation in Cerro Verde. So that is what they have told us that is their interest. And they will participate as any other company arm length. If they want to contribute to develop the project that we have under development, they will have to participate as any other company as we are talking to people like Sumitomo or BHP in the case of But as shareholders, they will be part of our board and they will contribute with their knowledge. And I think it is a plus for the company.
spk00: So they were interested in sort of all of your copper assets because, you know, As you know, they're mostly open pit miners, so they're also interested in the underground operations. And are they interested in Trapice, maybe being, you know, helping on the development, like a BHP, like you mentioned? Would they be interested on being a partner on Trapice?
spk02: Well, if they are interested, as any other company, we will open... and they will have to sign a DNA, or how do you call it? Yes, an NDA. And yes, why not? Antofagasta is a first-class company, and they are specialized in copper, and as you say, in open-pit mines. So nothing extraordinary, Sanja, nothing extraordinary, yeah?
spk00: Okay. No, I really, really appreciate that. Thank you so much, Rocky, for that. Can I just ask maybe a couple of things on just some modeling questions from Daniel, and then I want to come back to San Gabriel and Trapichi. Just on the modeling side, Daniel, should I be looking at your 2023 levels for exploration, GNA, and selling expenses? Is that a similar level for 2024?
spk09: Yes, Sanja. For explorations, you should estimate around $45 million from brownfield explorations and an additional $10 million for greenfield. DNA should be similar to the first to third quarter of this year. Remember that in the quarters three and four, we had a an amortization of the deferred sweeping assets at El Brocal. So if you want to model, you should take the DNA similar to the first two quarters of the year.
spk00: Okay. No, that's very helpful. Thank you so much for that. That's helpful. And then can I come back and ask about the asset sales? When we were at the Investor Day, and congratulations on selling one little asset in the quarter, we talked about selling some of the assets to help fund the balance sheet on top of the Sierra Verde dividends that we're receiving. Where are we on the Yamaculture royalty sale? I know we had talked about it at the Investor Day. There were 13 potential buyers. Can you just talk about where you see asset sales in Q1?
spk11: Of course, Daniel.
spk08: Hello, please go ahead. Okay, thank you, Leandro. Yes, Daniel, we're still in the process of selling the royalty. We have received five non-binding offers on February 15th. The idea is to elect the one who passed the raffle of Newman and maybe make a potential site visit to Yanacocha at the end of March. And finally, the idea is to receive the binding offers on April 15th. And then choose one and go ahead.
spk00: Okay. So it seems as though Newmont is not involved. It's just other players besides Newmont, and you would like to finalize by April 15th.
spk04: Yes. Okay.
spk00: And then I'd like to come just to San Gabriel if I could. I just wanted to understand, I see the picture of the camp, a thousand beds. So is the camp done? And what are the critical items for 2024? And then at the investor day, we were also told that we would be getting updated capital and operating costs. Can you remind me when that's coming?
spk12: Yes, Tanya. I turn the microphone to Renzo, our vice president of the project.
spk00: Thank you.
spk11: Hi. Hi, Tanya. The concept is, hi, we have 1,000 beds ready, and besides those beds, we already have another 1,000 beds in the vicinity of the project, so beds will not be a problem. What you see in the picture is finalizing sidewalks and finalizing the emergency power plant at the site. Those little things that are missing. The main contractor for steel, piping and mechanical will arrive in the next month. So we're going to have everything done by that date. In the second part of your question about what should we expect in 2024? Well, the first concrete pool should be in the second quarter. And then power line construction should start as well in the second quarter of this year. In the third quarter, we think we're going to be starting with electrical and signal contractor and finally finishing the year with a very good advance with the water dam before the rainy season starts. And I think your last question was about the updated capex and Leandro was saying we are currently working on that in the next quarter we're going to be giving the the definite estimate numbers.
spk00: Okay. So, when you report your Q1, so sometime in April, the end of April maybe, we will be getting an updated CAPEX. And what about the operating costs?
spk11: The OPEX, we are going to be finishing in the third quarter of this year.
spk00: OPEX is Q3? Yes.
spk12: Okay, so CAPEX is one. The update in CAPEX should be for the conference call of the second quarter.
spk00: Oh, conference call of Q2, so it's going to be sometime in July. Yes. So CAPEX in July and then ALPEX in Q3, so October.
spk04: Yes.
spk00: Okay, so thank you so much for that. So we'll look forward to getting those because those numbers, as you know, are quite stale. They've been there for a long, long time. And then my final question, if I can, is just on Trapeze. I'm just wanting to know if you started the public assemblies. Oh, sorry. Are they still going to be starting in Q2? And is the feasibility still on track for the end of 2026?
spk11: Yes. So yes, we, our environmental impact assessment was admitted and public assembly should happen in April, in the April 10th. And yes, we're still on track for a feasibility study towards 2026. And at that point, yeah. And would it be fair to assume
spk00: Yeah, would it be fair to assume that once you have the feasibility study in hand, that is when you are going to be looking for a joint venture partner?
spk08: Yes, Angel. This is the idea. As soon as we have the feasibility study done, the idea is to choose for a partner. We'll look for a partner.
spk00: Okay. Thank you so much for taking all my questions. I could go on all day, but let me pass it on to somebody else. I really appreciate it.
spk05: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Omar Abelineda with Prima AFP. Please go ahead.
spk06: Good morning to all. Thank you for the call. I have a couple of questions. I guess I missed a little part of the call, so maybe you have answered this, but I would like to know what is it needed to have a fully operational June PAC since the second quarter of 2024? And my second question, and last one is regarding Cerro Verde. What is your expectations on CAPEX for this unit on animal races for the next three years? Thank you.
spk12: Thank you, Omar. Thank you for your participation. In terms of EMPAC, the fully operations, we expect to begin in the second quarter of this year. We are just waiting for the operational permit that allows us to resume the operations in Yumba. In the case of Cerro Verde, we have reviewed the figures budgeted for this year And the CAPEX today that is approved and planned, it's around $300 million in line with the CAPEX that we have been used to in the last couple of years. That is the CAPEX we know today. The other projects are in . I think.
spk06: Okay, so just to add an additional question. This news that we saw in gestión related to the $600 million of CAREX in Cerro Verde does not change any at all of your views regarding dividends coming from these units, right?
spk12: Well, as I told you, Marc, that news that are appearing in question is currently in evaluation, right? The plan today and the figures that we have is that the capex for the year is $300 million. We should have more. information in the following meetings with them.
spk06: Okay, perfect. And if I may, one additional question. This 600 million CAPEX is not only for just one year, no? I guess it could be for a couple of years, three years. It's not going to be disbursed in one year only, right?
spk12: Yeah, it is kind of a permit. It's an ITS permit. and the ITS is not for one year only, no?
spk06: Okay, perfect. Thank you very much. Congratulations on the results.
spk11: Thank you, Mark.
spk05: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, with that, we will be concluding today's audio question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Gabriel Salas, Investor Relations Officer, for any webcast questions.
spk07: Thank you, operator. The first two questions come from Isabella Pacheco from Bank of America. How do you see net leverage in 2024? What was the main factor contributing to a positive EBITDA in fourth quarter 2023?
spk12: Maybe Daniel can help us with that question.
spk09: Yes, Daniel. In terms of the net leverage, We ended this 2023 with two times net debt over EBITDA. As we mentioned before, we count with a facility or with different banks of $200 million of revolving facilities that we will use when we need the cash to fund San Gabriel in the short term. probably we will be using around $150 million from these facilities. And this will, as a consequence of this, the leverage ratio should come up to around three times, which will be the maximum that we expect by the end of this year. The second question regarding the EBITDA of the fourth quarter, there were basically three factors. One is the sale of contacto that contributed with around $38 million in the EBITDA. The second factor was the stronger production and volume sold from El Brocal. And finally, the restarting operations at Uchukchakwa and Yumpac that contributed with around 2.8 million ounces of silver to our P&L.
spk07: Thanks, Daniel. The next question comes from Orlando Barriga from Credit Corp Capital. How much of UNPAC's costs were classified as CAPEX during the fourth quarter 2023?
spk09: Yes, there were 10 million dollars of development costs that were not inputted to the cost of sales because we count with an exploration permit. The number for the following years to be amortized is $10 million.
spk07: Thanks, Daniel. At this time, there are no further questions. I would like to turn the call over to the operator.
spk05: Thank you. That concludes the question and answer session of today's conference call. I would like to turn it back over to management for closing remarks.
spk12: Thank you, operator. Before we finish today's conference call, I would like to thank you very much for making the time to join us and have a great day today. Thank you very much. Thank you.
spk05: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes Buena Ventura's fourth quarter 2023 earnings results conference call. We would like to thank you again for your participation. You may now disconnect and have a wonderful day.
spk11: Love you. Thank you.
spk12: Muchas gracias.
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