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Boyd Gaming Corporation
4/23/2026
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Good afternoon, and welcome to the Boyd Gaming First Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. This is David Strau, Vice President of Corporate Communications for Boyd Gaming. I will be the moderator for today's call, which we are hosting on Thursday, April 23, 2026. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Following our remarks, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star, then zero for the operator. Our speakers for today's call are Keith Smith, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Josh Hirshberg, Chief Financial Officer. Comments today will include statements that are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. All forward-looking statements in our comments are as of today's date and we undertake no obligation to update or revise the forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those projected in any forward-looking statement. There are certain risks and uncertainties, including those disclosed in our filings with the SEC, that may impact our results. During our call today, we will make reference to non-GAAP financial measures. For a complete reconciliation of historical non-GAAP to GAAP financial measures, please refer to our earnings press release and our Form 8K, furnished to the SEC today, and both of which are available at investors.boydgaming.com. We do not provide a reconciliation of forward-looking non-GAAP financial measures due to our inability to project special charges and certain expenses. Today's call is being webcast live at BoydGaming.com and will be available for replay in the investor relations section of our website shortly after the completion of this call. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Keith Smith. Keith?
Thank you, David, and good afternoon, everyone. Our first quarter results once again demonstrated the benefits of our diversified business, our continued focus on operating efficiencies, and our ongoing capital investment program. Overall, company-wide revenues reached nearly $1 billion, while EBITDA was $317 million. On a property-level basis, first quarter revenues in EBITDA grew year over year, led by continued growth in gaming revenues. We successfully maintained operating efficiencies throughout our business, with property margins again exceeding 39%. These results were driven by broad-based strength in our Midwest and South segment, partially offset by the continued impact of softer destination business in Las Vegas and construction disruption at Suncoast. On a company-wide basis, play from both core customers and retail customers continued to grow during the first quarter, consistent with the trends we saw in 2025. And we are encouraged that the customer trends from the first quarter have continued into April. Now turning to segment results. Starting with our largest segment, our Midwest and South business achieved broad-based revenue and EBITDA growth during the quarter. Overall, revenues grew 4% in the quarter, while EBITDA grew 5% and margins improved to nearly 37%. We also delivered continued growth in gaming revenues in the quarter, driven by increased play from both core and retail customers. These positive results were supported by the ongoing trend of customers staying closer to home as well as benefits from milder winter weather this year and strong returns from our capital investments throughout the segment. These investments include our recent hotel remodels at IP Biloxi and Valley Forge, our new convention space at Ameristar St. Charles, and additional food and beverage enhancements across the segment. In addition, our Treasure Chest property continues to deliver year-over-year growth. We plan to build on this strong performance with the addition of a new high limit room which we expect to open early next year. Moving to our Nevada operations, results in our Las Vegas local segment reflected continued softness in destination business with the largest impact at the Orleans. We also experienced more significant construction disruption at the Suncoast during the quarter related to the modernization project currently underway. While the Suncoast management team has done a great job mitigating construction disruption thus far, our renovation work moved into the most popular part of our casino floor during the quarter, creating a more material impact from disruption. We anticipate this disruption will continue until we complete our renovation project late in the third quarter. Excluding Orleans and Suncoast, revenues in EBITDA for the remainder of the segment were in line with the prior year and operating margins exceeded 50%. And even with the impacts from Orleans and Suncoast, play from our core customers during the quarter was in line with the prior year in our Las Vegas Locals segment. Similar to our Midwest and South segment, we are actively investing in our Las Vegas Locals portfolio to drive continued growth. These investments include the recent opening of our newest Locals property, Cadence Crossing Casino, on March 25th. While it is still early, this property has received an enthusiastic response from our guests. Another example of our investments is the modernization of our Suncoast property. This project includes a complete transformation of our casino floor, enhanced food and beverage offerings, an updated meeting and public spaces, and remains on track for completion towards the end of the third quarter. We're also continuing to enhance our non-gaming amenities throughout the Las Vegas Valley. Our hotel room renovation at the Orleans is on track for completion later this year, and we plan to begin a similar project at the Suncoast Hotel this summer. Additionally, we opened several new restaurant concepts at the Gold Coast during the first quarter, with additional restaurant concepts now under development at Fremont, Paliante, and Samstown. And in 2027, we plan to begin a modernization project at the Orleans, similar to our current project at the Suncoast. Given the strong response from our guests to our recent enhancements, we are confident these capital investments will contribute to long-term growth in our local segment. Additionally, we remain confident in the underlying strength of the Las Vegas economy. Last year, Southern Nevada's population reached 2.4 million people, up 16% over the last decade, a growth rate of more than twice the national average. At the same time, the local economy is more diversified, with approximately 90% of the jobs created in Southern Nevada over the last 10 years coming from outside the hospitality industry. And over the same 10-year period, per capita income has grown more than 5%, on an average annual basis, and total personal income in Southern Nevada has nearly doubled. And Southern Nevada's cost of living remains below the national average, ranking among the most affordable of the nation's 30 largest metro areas. All in all, the long-term fundamentals of the Southern Nevada economy remain strong. Moving next to downtown Las Vegas, trends were similar to recent quarters, with play from our Hawaiian guests and our core customers remaining stable during the quarter. Similar to the fourth quarter, these trends were offset by weaker destination business throughout Las Vegas, as illustrated by an 11% year-over-year decline in pedestrian traffic on the Fremont Street experience during the quarter. Next, in our online segment, Boyd Interactive continued to grow while contributions from our third-party market access agreements were consistent with the second half of last year. As a result, we reiterate our previous guidance of $30 to $35 million in EBITDA for the online segment this year. Finally, our Manage Another segment achieved another quarter of revenue in EBITDA growth. Sky River Casino opened its casino floor expansion in late February, followed by the opening of a 1,600-space parking garage at the end of March. And we are encouraged by Sky River's continued growth since the opening of this expansion. With the first phase now complete, we are underway with the development of a 300-room hotel, three new food and beverage outlets, a full-service spa, and an entertainment and event center. Once complete in early 2028, we are confident this expansion will further strengthen Sky River's position as one of Northern California's most popular and successful gaming resorts. With a solid start to the year, we continue to expect are managing other business to generate 110 to 114 million in EBITDA for the full year. In all, our first quarter performance was driven by our diversified portfolio, our strong operating efficiencies, and contributions from our capital investments throughout our portfolio. In addition to the property investments we are making to enhance our operations, we are continuing to build our development pipeline. The most significant of our development projects is our $750 million resort in Virginia, remains on track for a late 2027 opening. With foundation work now complete, work has begun on the resort's first floor and construction is starting to go vertical. Once complete, this upscale resort will be a true market leader with a 65,000 square foot casino, two in a room hotel, eight food and beverage outlets, live entertainment, and an outdoor amenity deck. We'll also offer the most convenient gaming destination for much of the 1.8 million residents the Hampton Roads region, as well as the 15 million tourists who visit nearby Virginia Beach each year. Next, in late February, we received final approval from the Illinois Gaming Board for a proposed expansion and modernization of the Paradise Casino. Once complete in late 2028, this project will transform Paradise into a single-level entertainment facility with a modern casino floor and enhanced amenities, positioning this property for growth well into the future. And in Southern Nevada, we have additional growth opportunities at Cadence Crossing where we have significant land still available for development. Directly adjacent to our property is the master plan community of Cadence, one of the fastest growing master plan communities in the country with plans for more than 12,000 homes upon full build out. Our Cadence Crossing property is designed to capitalize on the growing demand in the area with plans for a future hotel, additional casino space, and more non-gaming amenities. As we continue to invest in our properties and build our development pipeline, we are successfully balancing these investments with a robust program of returning capital to our shareholders. We return nearly $170 million to our shareholders during the first quarter, $155 million in share repurchases, and $14 million in dividends. Going forward, we intend to continue repurchases at a $150 million per quarter pace supplemented by our quarterly dividend. So in all, with our strong balance sheet, diversified property portfolio, balanced approach to capital allocation, and experienced management team, we remain confident in our ability to continue creating long-term value for our shareholders. I would like to thank our team members for their contributions to our company. Their dedication to delivering memorable service is at the heart of our entertainment experience and drives our continued success. Thank you for your time this afternoon. I would now like to turn the call over to Josh.
Thank you, Keith. During the first quarter, we continued to deliver consistent results supported by growth in property level revenues and EBITDA. This growth, along with our continued focus on operating efficiencies, resulted in property level margins of more than 39%. Gaming revenue also continued to grow, with increased play from both our core and retail customers. Strength in property results during the quarter was driven by our Midwest and South segment. And as Keith mentioned, our online and managed segments also contributed to our results during the quarter, with both segments continuing to show growth on a comparable year-over-year basis. We're also maintaining a balanced approach to capital allocation as we invest in our properties, pursue attractive growth opportunities, and return capital to shareholders. All while maintaining a very strong balance sheet. In terms of capital expenditures, during the quarter we invested $155 million and expect to spend $650 to $700 million in capital expenditures for the full year. This amount includes approximately $250 million in recurring maintenance capital, $75 million in incremental hotel capital, focused on the Orleans hotel remodel, which is expected to be completed by the end of this year. $50 million in growth capital, primarily related to completing Cadence Crossing, as well as the design and pre-construction activities for the Paradise Modernization Project. And finally, $300 million related to our Virginia project. We are continuing to balance our capital investments with returning substantial capital to our shareholders. During the first quarter, we paid $14 million in dividends, and we purchased $155 million in stock, representing 1.8 million shares at an average price of $83.94 per share. Our actual share count at the end of the first quarter was 74.8 million shares. We currently have approximately $700 million under our share repurchase authorizations, which includes an additional $500 million authorized by our Board earlier this month. Over the last four and a half years, we have returned $2.9 billion to our shareholders, while reducing our share count by more than 33%. We expect to maintain repurchases of $150 million per quarter, supplemented by our regular quarterly dividend. This equates to more than $650 million per year or approximately $9 per share in value for our shareholders in 2026. We have the strongest balance sheet in our company's history. We finished the first quarter with traditional leverage of 1.8 times and lease-adjusted leverage of 2.4 times. We also have ample available capacity under our credit facility. Our next debt maturity is in December 2027, which we intend to refinance later this year or in the first half of 2027. In terms of our debt balances, you may recall from our last earnings call that we had expected to pay approximately $340 million during the first quarter for tax credits related to the FanDuel transaction. We paid for a portion of these credits in the first quarter, and we now expect to pay the remaining $290 million during the second quarter. During the first quarter, corporate expense was higher than usual due to one-time items, including the timing of charitable contributions. In conclusion, our first quarter results demonstrated the benefits of our diversified business, our continued focus on operating efficiencies, and our ongoing capital investment programs. We remain confident in our ability to drive growth and play from our core customers while making investments that elevate our product offerings and enhance our growth prospects. Our strong balance sheet coupled with our consistent operating performance and robust free cash flow position us well to continue creating long-term value for our shareholders. This concludes our remarks, and we're now ready to take any questions you may have.
Thank you, Josh. We will now begin our question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star then one on your touch-tone phone. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised. Should you wish to withdraw your request, please press star then two. If you're using a speakerphone, please use your handset when asking your question. We will pause for a moment while we compile our list of questioners. Our first question comes from Steve Wisinski of Stifel. Steve, please go ahead.
Hey, guys. Good afternoon. So, Keith or Josh, I know this might be a tough question to answer, but with the destination traffic still somewhat soft in the locals market as well as downtown, just wondering when you think that might inflect, given... You know, we now have a pretty significant headwind as well with fuel prices, which obviously can impact whether that's driving traffic, whether that's flying traffic. So, you know, just maybe wondering how you guys are thinking about that, you know, the destination business and when we might see that start to bottom out. Thanks.
Sure. So, look, as we think about the destination business, a couple of things. One, the primary impact is at the Orleans, where... you know, we have 1,800, almost 1,900 hotel rooms. So that is kind of the single biggest impact in our locals portfolio. Two, with respect to the increasing gas prices, you know, the trends we saw in the first quarter, as we highlighted, were somewhat in line with last year. And so, you know, it's hard to kind of discern the impact of gas prices when you've got higher tax refunds that are coming out through the last several months and probably over the next several months. And so when does it turn? The only thing I can say is, look, when we get to the second half of this year, we start to run into easier comparisons because this impact of destination travel to Las Vegas started to occur in the second half of last year in a big way. So we get to easier comparisons. When does it fully turn back up? Hard to tell, but it's kind of high-level comments on the topic. I'll see if Josh has anything he'd like to add.
Yes. The only thing I would add is really, and as Keith alluded to, we started to see the visible impact of destination business on our performance in Q3 of last year. And really since then, it's been a pretty consistent level of impact. It's been about $5 million, $6 million of IBIDAR each quarter and Since then, it was that way in Q3, Q4, and then again this quarter as well. So we're expecting a similar impact in Q2. And then as we anniversary it, I don't think we expect it to flip on a dime and start to become positive all of a sudden. But I think we would think it would be, you know, kind of continue to be down, less bad, but down year over year in Q3 and gradually improve before and then maybe in the first half of next year start to see some overall improvement and growth out of that segment. But that's just based on what we're seeing today and the fact that it has been so consistent to date.
Okay, gotcha. Thanks for that, guys. And then I guess if we flip to the Midwest and South, you know, those results were, I mean, actually looked really solid and probably, you know, a good bit better than what we were kind of looking for. So if we think about that whole portfolio, you know, I guess, Keith, for you, wondering if the trends that you witnessed were pretty much, you know, were they broad based or were there, you know, markets or pockets of strength, you know, versus other markets that you might call out?
They generally were broad-based. We saw kind of across the Midwest as well as the South and the East, and so we're very pleased with the level of performance, the level of growth and revenues, the level of flow-through, and in particular the margins. We had a very strong quarter there. We saw growth kind of across all the demographics and all the ADT segments. So, yeah, it was a very strong quarter in most places where numbers are published and you can discern the numbers. we gain market share. And so I think that the business continues to grow. I think the capital investments we're making are having an impact and providing a return to us. So you pull it all together. And yes, it was a very strong quarter in the Midwest and South Force.
Okay, gotcha. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Yep. Thank you.
Our next question comes from Barry Jonas of Truist. Barry, please go ahead.
Hey, guys. Josh, I think I missed this. Did you talk about why corporate was up so meaningfully? Anything you could isolate there if there was a one-timer and then maybe just how to think about that line item going forward?
Yeah, so there was about $6 million of one-time items. And by their very nature in the description, they won't continue going forward. One of them, the most prominent one, had to do with charitable contributions. Last year, and it's a timing difference in that case, last year we accounted for it, basically spread it out over the entire year. This year it was recorded in the period we actually made the contribution. So that's what the standout largely is.
Got it, got it. And then, you know, just you clearly have development projects in the pipeline, but I'm curious to get your thoughts on M&A here. Clearly there's plenty of speculation all around about M&A in the space. I'm just curious to get your thoughts on opportunities for Boyd. Thank you.
Okay. I think our comments on M&A are probably pretty consistent with what we've said in the past. You know, we've grown. A lot through M&A, we're always looking at things. We have our eyes open and understand what is going on in the market and what's available or what may be becoming available. Once again, we have a pretty disciplined process and a disciplined set of filters to work through. And we'll continue to look. The right opportunity presents itself. That's strategic and has the right return profile. you would see us execute. Absent that, we've kind of got a great company. We've got a strong balance sheet and good earnings and producing great EBITDA. We'll just continue to stick to our knitting until we find that right opportunity.
Barry, just jumping back to your first question, I looked at consensus real quick for corporate expense for Q2, Q3, and Q4, and that's generally a good expectation of what to expect for the remaining quarters of the year.
I got you, Josh. Okay. Thank you so much, guys.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Sean Kelly of Bank of America. Sean, please go ahead.
Hi. Good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. You know, Josh or Keith, sort of two, you know, maybe slightly in the weeds, but one macro and then one detailed. On the detailed question, I think I caught in the prepared remarks, you said traffic or foot traffic on the Fremont Street experience was down 11%. If I caught that correctly, and if not, please correct it. But I feel like we saw a bit of an inflection on just strip visitation that we get from sort of just broader LVCVA data, and that actually – looked a lot closer to flat, and it was down a lot last year, but in Q1, it looked a lot closer to flat. I'm just kind of curious, any thoughts or questions or concerns as to why that might be a slightly different pattern than the broader strip is seeing?
Look, it was, you know, we did quote that it was down 11%, and that number represents, you know, traffic, what we call kind of under the canopy, under the Fremont Street experience itself. It was down a similar amount in Q4. I can't comment on foot traffic on the Strip. I do know the convention calendar was stronger in the first quarter with Conag in town. That wasn't there last year. I'm sure that drove some of the increased traffic on the Strip. We didn't see it make its way downtown. I think the good news is the decline in visitation is similar. It didn't grow. It didn't accelerate. It was stable. So no real... you know, other explanation or understanding as to why some of that increased visitation didn't make its way downtown. Not overly concerned at this point. We have a long history, or Las Vegas has a long history of seeing, roughly speaking, 50 to 55 percent of all visitors to Las Vegas making its way downtown. And I, you know, suspect that will continue over the course of time.
Got it. Thanks for that, Keith. And then maybe just Another high-level one, but just if we zoom out, it feels like this macro backdrop in particular – you talked about plenty of the demographic tailwinds that Las Vegas has. But it feels like this macro backdrop plus tax refunds and the no tax on tips should be sort of a great setup for Las Vegas locals. But even if we strip out destination, which I appreciate is a little bit idiosyncratic, it feels like that's flat and regionals are up. So sort of same – theory question a little bit, but just conceptually, any reason or any KPI you're thinking about or pointing to as to why the locals may not be participating quite the same way that the regions are or looking quite as healthy as the regions are just at this point in time?
No, look, I think that when we think about the out-of-state or MSR properties, non-Nevada properties, we commented in our prepared remarks that What we've seen for several quarters now is that people are simply staying closer to home, and they're spending their money closer to home, and we're a beneficiary of that, having properties spread across 10 states. Here in Nevada, when we talk about our locals' properties, it's not 100% locals. There are a certain amount of destination and or regional business that is part of that. We've commented in the past that our pure locals business, i.e. people that have zip codes in and around our properties, is actually quite good, mostly for the same reason. They're staying closer to home also and spending money closer to home. So when you dig deep into the weeds, the local locals are actually performing well.
Perfect. Thank you. Thank you.
Next question comes from Ben Chaiken of Mizuho. Ben, please go ahead.
Hey, thanks for taking my questions. Josh, maybe back to some of the earlier Q&A regarding your back half expectations, your 2H expectations in Vegas. I guess if the impact from the destination customer has been constant, which you quoted at around $5 or $6 million, I know there's probably some rounding there, How do I bridge that with your response to an earlier question that I think you were suggesting that 2H would be down, but then kind of like juxtaposed against Keith's comments earlier where you said that X Orleans and X Suncoast things were flat. Maybe I misheard you. Maybe I'm too in the weeds. But just maybe if you could clarify the moving parts in the back half and how you're thinking about it. And if that doesn't make sense, I can try and rephrase it in a simpler way. Thanks.
I'll try to give you an answer, and hopefully it'll make sense. And if not, keep asking. I'd say, you know, I think from the perspective of destination, I think you can, at least from where we sit today, assuming no change in the consumer behavior, we would expect that destination will continue to have a similar level of impact in the first half and then just get less bad. So, you know, if it was down five, maybe it was down a little bit less in Q3 and a little bit less in Q4, maybe approaching flat. I think you have to recognize that then what starts to happen is the two other factors that we spoke about, and one is Suncoast disruption. We only had a partial first quarter impact from that disruption, so that'll be a full quarter in Q2 and a full quarter in Q3 before that project is complete, and so then you'll start to see some benefit from Suncoast's complete renovation and modernization of its floor beginning in Q4. And then the other element is cadence, which we haven't spoken a lot about just yet, but cadence opened, had great top-line performance. Like with any other new opening, we have to kind of let it settle in at a revenue level and start to adjust just the expense structure. So, Q1, you know, was only a couple of days. We didn't get any EBITDA contribution, a lot of revenue from it. And we're expecting it to kind of trend up and hit, start hitting full stride maybe later in Q3, certainly by Q4. So, in the second half of the year, In Q3, you're going to have two kind of pressures. You're going to have destination and suncoast disruption still going on with cadence kind of not yet hitting full stride. And then in Q4, you should have much less destination, suncoast in the rearview mirror, and cadence hitting full stride. So hopefully that triangulates to what you understood or interpreted from our comments.
Yeah, very helpful. I appreciate it. And then just one other quick one. I think you guys in Virginia, you guys have been pretty clear that the temporary casino you have in Norfolk is more of a placeholder, if that's an appropriate description, with little or no expected profit for the time being. However, I'm sure you've seen there's a temporary casino out there that recently opened that's generating around $10 or $15 million a month, which is kind of incredible. Is this something you'd ever consider doing? In other words, increasing the size and scale of your temp asset after seeing the response to that opening?
Thanks. And so the size and scale of our temporary asset is based on the limitations of the site that we're building on. And so there's actually no ability to make this any larger. We certainly would have done that from day one. And so it wasn't a Cost issue wasn't a capital allocation issue that we didn't want to spend more to build a larger facility. It's simply in order to build a permanent project on that site, we literally didn't have the square footage to allow for anything larger on the site. And so it is a break-even. It is what it is for the next year and a half until we open in November of 27. So it's not about desire. It's just about constraints.
You have to get the permanent open in a certain timeframe. We have limited space for a temporary.
Yep. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from Dan Pulitzer of JP Morgan. Dan, please go ahead.
Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. In terms of just the fundamentals and cadence of the quarter, Can you maybe kind of talk about how you saw it come in? Because the beginning of the quarter looked very strong. March looked a little soft. It sounds like April is stabilized. But any kind of way to kind of unpack how the quarter progressed?
In the locals market or overall?
Both, locals and Midwest.
Okay. I think as it relates to cadence, it opened March 25th, and so it's kind of a non-event.
I'm saying cadence in the word cadence.
Oh, not the cadence property, the cadence of the quarter. Thank you. Maybe if you can reframe the question. Were you referring to cadence of the property we just talked about?
Oh, yeah. Sorry, I was referring to the cadence in terms of how the quarter progressed, like January, February, March. Just in that March, it looked like it stepped down quite a bit, and April seems more stable, but just trying to understand the nuances there.
Yeah, look, as we think about the Midwest and South, You know, January was milder weather, you know, this year versus last year, as well as a better calendar. February was pretty normal, and March was, you know, a calendar issue. But nothing, I would say, that unusual that, you know, we would call out. And in Nevada, it's largely the same. You saw benefits from a, you know, we saw some benefits from the large convention in Las Vegas. earlier in the quarter, plus once again, January had the extra weekend day that benefits it. February, pretty normal. You know, March, maybe a little soft, but nothing once again unusual that we would call out.
I think what was unique for us in March was that's when we started to see the largest impact on Suncoast from the disruption.
But that's the only difference, really.
Got it. Thanks. And just more of a housekeeping follow-up. In terms of cash taxes, can you just remind us what the expectation is there for 2016, that there's a benefit from the one big beautiful bill?
Yeah. So I think we're currently estimating a cash tax benefit of about $45 to $50 million.
Got it. Thanks so much. Yep.
Thank you. Our next question comes from David Katz of Jefferies. David, please go ahead.
Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I appreciate all the commentary so far. I wanted to ask a different question, not an M&A, are you or aren't you, will you or won't you, but can you just talk about the boundaries that you've set for yourself, which I imagine are likely the same, and you know, are there any changes in the kinds of things you're seeing or in, you know, the credit support of things, you know, for things that, you know, that may come up or any difference in, you know, what that market, you know, brings in front of you on a regular basis?
Well, look, I'll try and answer it. I don't know if I'll, you know, be able to address your whole question. I think if we think about how we view M&A over the last three to five years post-COVID. We have a strong balance sheet. We have a strong business. We have a large business, and therefore, anything we look at has to be significant, has to be able to move the needle, has to be in stable tax and regulatory environments, and it's got to be an asset that strategically makes sense to add to the portfolio. There are things out there that make sense. We're not afraid because of our strong balance sheet and our strong cashflow profile, you know, to do larger transactions. Um, and so, you know, we look at, you know, small, medium, large transactions and, you know, once again, we look at a lot of things over the course of a year and we'll continue to do that until something makes sense to us. But, you know, I think we've been fairly consistent. I don't think much has changed over the last several years in terms of how we view it, but, um, Josh, anything you'd like to add to the conversation?
I would just add a couple of thoughts. I think what Keith said is accurate. Certainly, we are in the best position ever that we've ever been in to make an acquisition, but that doesn't mean that we'll find one that makes sense for us to execute upon. I think ultimately, it's just basic capital allocation. Where can we get the best returns versus buying back our own stock or making some of the investments we're making internally to our own portfolio because that's working quite well at this point. So I think we have to, whenever the right or a, I can't say the right, whenever an opportunity comes along, we have to evaluate it in the context of what we're doing today. And that's a fundamental philosophy of how we think about transactions and growing the company.
And if I can lay out one more hypothetical that I hope is useful and interesting in some way. You know, Virginia was gesturing at the notion of, you know, of iGaming this year. And if we were to, you know, hypothesize that one day maybe it gets there, how would you envision your participation in that or, you know, would you participate in that?
Yeah, I think you could envision us participating in it. Once again, through Boyd Interactive, we have a very small online gaming business that has grown nicely over the years. We're live in New Jersey and Pennsylvania right now, and we're supportive of the iGaming rollout across the U.S., and so if it happens in Virginia, we'll be supportive of it there, and you'll see us participate. At the end of the day, we think it's all additive to the business. complementary to what we do, and so we'd be supportive if and when that opportunity presents itself.
Okay. Thank you very much.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from John Decree of CBRE. John, please go ahead.
Hey, guys. I know we didn't talk too much about cadence crossing yet. It's only been probably a little less than a month, but curious if you could Give us any anecdotes from the opening, the first couple of weeks, things in terms of visitation levels or new customer signups, anything that you note or could share with us would be interesting.
I don't have any specific data here in front of me, John, but we had a great opening. The place was full and continued to have great customer response through the first couple of weeks. I haven't looked at the numbers in the last few days. I'm sure it's leveled off a little bit. As Josh, I think, indicated in his comments answering an earlier question, you open these buildings and you focus on driving revenues, and over the course of the next several months, we'll focus on refining the cost structure. But we're very happy with the opening. We're happy with the level of participation and new customers and new customer signups. Once again, I just don't have that data sitting here in front of me today.
That's fair. Thanks, Keith. And maybe broader promotional environment in Las Vegas, whether you can look at locals, like your true locals, and then New Orleans, which kind of competes with destination market, you know, as that market remains lacking some visitation. Have you seen any material change in the promotional or competitiveness in the last quarter or so as it relates to locals, traditional locals, and then the destination market? business, any shift there?
I'd say in the traditional locals market, it remains, you know, fairly rational. Nobody, you know, people who, and I've said this before, you know, those properties or companies that have tended to be a little aggressive or continue to be aggressive, and those of us who have remained more, I don't know, rational, you know, have maintained that profile. So nothing much has changed in the traditional locals environment. I think what you'll see is at the Orleans destination market strip, if you will, certainly the strip is getting a little more aggressive, whether it be in terms of room pricing or room products, all-inclusive packages, trying to entice people into their buildings. I haven't seen any impact from that, but I would say they've probably gotten a little more aggressive from our vantage point.
Great. Helpful. Thanks, Keith. Sure.
Our next question comes from Brant Montour of Barclays. Brant, please go ahead.
Hi, everybody. I think we've covered a lot of ground. I have one question. The locals business, loud and clear, I think some of the things that you called out, Josh, and how to think about the impacts throughout the year. If we can just take those aside and look at the underlying business, I think the seasonality from the first quarter to the second quarter has been a little bit different over the last couple of years. And I think if you look at consensus numbers, they're looking for stronger 2Q versus 1Q seasonality. But if you kind of go back a couple of years, it was maybe more flat to down. So just maybe you can help us just think about before the impacts, what the underlying business sort of typically looks like from the first to second quarter, all else equal.
Yeah, so, Brant, I think, I mean, you bring up a good point. I think kind of early coming out of 2020, there really was limited seasonality just given the strength of the consumer and the stimulus that was in the marketplace. And then as we move through time, and I don't remember what year, it's probably around 2023 or so, I would expect or expect believe that seasonality started to return to the business. And so, you know, I think Q2 can be or tends to be a little bit better than Q1 when you're thinking about the locals business. Obviously, the slowest part is Q3. And then Q4 really depends on how the holidays fall and all of that, in particular New Year's. But Typically, that'll be as strong, if not better, than Q1. And I think, you know, just maybe taking your question to the next level, I think when we look at the business in Las Vegas, I think we feel, despite the challenges that we're facing with destination business or the disruption with Suncoast, we look through those to some extent because the Suncoast disruption, we could see the end. It's coming. destination is not always going to be a pressure point for us. So when we kind of start to separate, like your question alluded to, and look at the fundamental business of the Las Vegas and Las Vegas locals business, I think it continues to be a good business and is just temporarily affected by these themes.
And important to note that, you know, the Suncoast renovation, modernization projects has been going on for more than a year. And through the first year of that project, the management team did a great job managing through the disruption. It's only in the last several months as we've moved into, you know, a more impactful area have we seen some real disruption.
Thanks, everyone. Yep.
Our next question comes from Chad Bainan of Macquarie. Chad, please go ahead.
Afternoon, thanks for taking my question. Really good results in the Midwest and South, your biggest business. Wanted to ask about the flow through. So that was pretty strong, almost close to 50%. So good revenue growth and that led to the flow through that we had seen in prior periods. If you're generating the revenues that you put up in this quarter, can you continue to see flow through that high or is there anything else as we think about inflation on the OPEC side or expenses that would dampen that a little bit. Thank you.
Yeah, so I think the challenge for us last year was really driven by, we didn't talk a lot about it at the time, but a lot about from benefits. And I think we've tried to address that coming into 2026. It's still early. we think we have it under control, but we won't know until we see participation and usage of the programs as we move throughout the year. So, you know, when we look at our expense structure last year and then look at it this year, you know, we have reasonable, you know, the biggest categories are just generally where you would expect them, but marketing's not changing. It says the percent of revenue is essentially the same, down a little bit, up a little bit, but nothing materially changing. Wages are going up, you know, two to two and a half percent. But the bigger increases was around benefits last year. And so far this year, we really haven't seen that level of increase. It's early. And we've taken steps to mitigate it. And we'll see how it goes. But this is kind of how the segment should perform generally. So...
Okay, thank you. And then on the downtown business, can you talk about either forward bookings or what some of those longer-haul flight prices are looking like? I know you mentioned all-inclusive, but are there ways to kind of package in just more perks or reasons to pay a slightly higher flight price? that could help in these times when flight prices are higher? Thank you.
So what we've seen, first of all, the bulk of our large part of our Hawaiian business comes through packages. It's been a standard part of the kind of product downtown for decades. So they do come on packages. But we have seen recently airline prices start to go up. Now, You know, through the first three weeks of April, you know, Hawaiian business, you know, in the first quarter it was stable, and the first couple of weeks of April it remained stable. So we haven't seen any impact. We are monitoring, you know, airfares coming out of Hawaii because we know that could have an impact on our customers, but to date everything is stable. So, you know, we have obviously a 50-year history with our, you know, customers coming out of the Hawaiian Islands, as well as local Hawaiians from California and those who live here in Las Vegas. So, you know, we'll continue to treat them right until we have to do it and maintain their loyalty. I'm not sure I can answer the question any other way, Josh, in the comments. Oh, Keith, I think you covered it.
Sounds great. Thanks, guys. Yep.
Next question comes from Trey Bowers of Wells Fargo. Trey, please go ahead.
Oh, hey, guys. Thanks for the question. A lot of what I would ask has already been asked, so I guess I'll ask something kind of bigger picture. There's lots of disruption right now between you guys and your peers in the locals market. So once we kind of come out of that on the other side and we look out for the next few years, what would you guys deem? what you would like to see as kind of healthy level of local Vegas gaming revenue growth. And I guess I asked that on both a GGR and like a post promotional level to, to think about continuing to add additional asset into the market as well. Thanks so much.
Yeah. So I think, you know, traditionally we've thought of kind of a locals market.
And if you look back over time, I think it's grown at kind of, 4 to 5%, maybe 3 to 5%, something like that level, a little bit higher than what we've seen in traditional regional riverboat markets or Midwest and South markets. So I think, but I do think that, you know, that coming out of COVID, the customer, at least that we're catering to, I can only speak from our perspective, you know, we're really focused on that core customer. It's a much higher quality customer. And so there is the potential for kind of higher growth as we have invested more and upgraded our products. But I think that's purely theoretical at this point. I would be more comfortable relying on kind of that 3% to 5% growth out of the locals business and
That's what we would expect to occur.
And would you say 27 would be a good year to really look for that? Is that kind of a clearing event for the amount of disruption that's happening in the market?
I think our disruption is really isolated. I think you'll be able to see that. I think really what we need is destination business to come back. And that's really it. Because you know, you've got a little bit of construction. For us, it's more isolated, a single property. Maybe some of our peers have it more broad-based. And we're kind of taking it one bite at a time. We're not trying, we're being thoughtful about trying not to have too many properties disrupted by our efforts to deploy capital into these markets. So, you know, I really think that at least for us to hit those numbers, it's more about having destination come back, more about maybe there's a nuance with one property not being able to do it or whatever, but generally just getting into a more stable economic environment, largely similar to what you're seeing in the Midwest and South. You think about that demographic and that segment of our business, It's performing like we would expect it to perform. Now customers are staying close to home and not traveling, and so maybe that adjusts their performance down the road. But I just think we need a clearing kind of stable operating environment in Las Vegas. In our case, I don't think it's as much driven by our CapEx and disruption.
Okay. Thanks so much. Our next question comes from Jordan Bender of Citizen.
Jordan, please go ahead.
We haven't seen a ton of M&A post-COVID to kind of give us this evidence, but in a period after where these properties have run much more efficient in general, when you look at M&A, are you finding it harder to underwrite synergies and deals with a lot of the costs stripped out of the businesses compared to kind of what you saw prior to 2020?
I would say that post-COVID and as time has moved on, it's probably more the expectation of the sellers than it is our ability to kind of underwrite synergies. And so the sellers now have a very high expectation of getting a part of those synergies as part of any sort of a purchase price, even though we have to do all the work to achieve them and take the risk of actually achieving them, the seller wants a part of them. So that's probably the bigger dynamic. It's less about that these operations are more efficient today. So I guess that would be my answer to you.
Okay. And then Samstown, understanding it was a small property, kind of what was the rationale behind that sale? And as you look across more of your entire portfolio? Are there assets in your portfolio that kind of fit similar criteria that you could look to divest?
Are you referencing Samsung Tunica or?
The sale to Bally's.
Oh, Samsung Shreveport property. Look, I think you can look at both Tunica and Shreveport and they're in the same general category, which were, you know, these are very small properties from a EBITDA production standpoint no longer kind of critical to the success of the portfolio. There was a point in time when, you know, Samsung Tunica being our very first property outside of Nevada and Shreveport being in the mix as we had our early growth spurt. But, you know, given the profile today, the competitive landscape, and just where we're going as a company, they just, you know, didn't make sense for us to continue on. Are there more? I don't think so. I think we're pretty happy with the portfolio today. absent those two properties. But that's how to think about that. They were just very small, not significant producers to the overall EBITDA of the company.
Great. Thank you very much. Our next question comes from James Hardiman of Citi.
James, please go ahead.
Hey, good afternoon. Evening, I guess, at this point. Thanks for fitting me in. I was wondering if there's any way to quantify the Suncoast disruption to the locals market in the first quarter and I guess for the year. I guess as I think about that $7 million shortfall versus a year ago in the locals market, that was certainly bigger than where the street was assuming. I didn't know if you've called out the Suncoast disruption from a timing perspective. I didn't know if that's ultimately going to be bigger than you previously thought or just earlier than you previously thought, in which case maybe you get some of that back for the year, but ultimately just trying to figure out what portion of that delta was just that piece versus, you know, the destination shortfall, which you've outlined, I think, here pretty well, maybe five to six million, and then sort of the underlying locals customer.
Thanks. Yeah, so I think if you look at the locals business, It was off year-over-year by about $6.5 million. I would attribute probably $5 million to destination and about $1.5 million to Suncoast disruption, recognizing that that wasn't a full quarter, that was a partial quarter, and we'll get a full quarter level of impact in Q2 and part of Q3 as well. The one thing I would say... is that, as Keith alluded to earlier in his remarks, and that we've commented on in the past, is we have been very pleased with the management team at Suncoast in terms of how they've managed through the construction disruption to the point where we didn't really even see it. The property was performing on par with prior year in many cases. In some cases, it was exceeding prior year. And I think... You know, we basically, and you can look back at our comments and some of the things I've said as well, which was basically like, you know, we don't, they're doing such a good job, you know, maybe we won't see the impact of construction disruption. But ultimately, in the first quarter, we said, you know, we'll let you know when we see it. And so we're seeing it and we're letting you know. The, you know, it just became clear. such a big bite in terms of the area of the casino that was being affected. So I would say, you know, we were pleased and, you know, kind of they had performed well and raised our expectation that there wasn't going to be any, and then we've encountered it.
And I think basically... We'll continue to see this in Q2, as Josh said, and partway through Q3 until we get open. And it'll be temporary. It's a combination, once again, of pure slot devices on the floor, as well as we just hit our kind of most popular area of the floor as part of the process.
Got it. And then to that point, just two points of clarification. The $1.5 million impact in the first quarter, what's a full quarter look like? Is that a $3 billion impact if we're thinking about both 2Q and 3Q? And maybe to just cut to the chase, I think the takeaway for a lot of people on this call is that whereas previously we were holding out hope that the locals segment could ultimately eke out a little bit of growth this year, doesn't sound like we should be assuming that anymore and i know you talked a lot about destination business obviously destination impacts both locals and downtown but just just to clarify um is it still possible likely unlikely that that locals can can uh sort of eke out a little bit of growth based on that fourth quarter um improvement thanks
Yeah, I think we've given you enough information to be able to take your own projections and figure it out. Ultimately, you know, when you think about, to your first part of your question, Suncoast's a million and a half, so two and a half to three million dollars for Q2 and two and a half or two to two and a half for Q3 is probably reasonable expectation. But then Suncoast should start contributing to the results. As I said earlier, you know, you'll get benefit from cadence.
So then some easier comparisons as we get through the second half of the year. So again, we don't typically provide guidance. We're getting pretty close to the line. So as Josh said, I think there's enough information out there.
Figure it out from there. Got it. That's helpful color. Thank you.
Sure. The last question comes from Steve Pizzella of Deutsche Bank. Steve, please go ahead.
Hey, good afternoon, and thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to ask on Paradise, post the approval to be in the expansion and modernization, given the success you have had at Treasure Chest, how would you compare the build rate and returns of this project compared to Treasure Chest?
Yeah, it's probably not a fair comparison. First of all, we obviously are confident that we will get a return on the investment. Otherwise, we wouldn't be proceeding with it. But Treasure Chest is a completely different market, the New Orleans market, than it is East Peoria. East Peoria has a significant number of BGTs, which are legal in Illinois, six at every bar and tavern in the area. So there's a significant quantity of those that compete with our product. That isn't the case in the New Orleans market. And so... We'll get a return. I would not be comparing it to treasure chest, but we will get a reasonable return on our investment.
Yeah, you have to realize the treasure chest returns after tax probably over 25%.
So it was a good investment.
Okay, thanks. And then just want to make sure I heard you right on the cash taxes. Did you say a $45 to $50 million refund for this year?
Not refund, it's a timing difference. Basically, you know, we get accelerated depreciation that then just makes depreciation, you depreciate it quicker and then end up owing taxes on it, you know, three years from now instead of five years from now. So, yeah, so it's about a, the benefit of the accelerated depreciation yields about a $45 to $50 million difference incremental tax benefit to us for this year.
Okay, thank you. Sure.
This concludes our question and answer session. I'd now like to turn over the call to Josh for concluding remarks.
Thanks, Dave, and thanks to everyone joining the call today. Should you have any follow-up questions or need any clarifications, feel free to give us a call. Thank you.