CI&T Inc

Q1 2022 Earnings Conference Call

5/19/2022

spk01: Companies have been trying to digitally transform their operations and how they interact with customers. The rapid expansion of technology driven by the ubiquity of mobile applications and other connected devices has increased the prevalence of connected consumers. Empowered by these technologies, consumers are more sophisticated than ever and are increasingly demanding seamless digital experiences. cint is a global digital services specialist and has helped companies adapt to these new demands since 1995 quickly gaining a reputation for providing digital solutions that delivered on both speed and quality from its humble beginnings cint now provides strategy design and software engineering services to enable digital transformation for the world's leading brands
spk09: CINT is a technology service company with a solid track record of continuous growth, best-in-class profitability, and a highly recurring revenue model with a strong net revenue retention rate. CINT also operates with a very healthy employee retention figure. In the market of digital services, large enterprises and new fast-growing digital firms are facing challenges with digital transformation. The former struggle to innovate and quickly transform, while the latter struggle to scale their operations. To help these companies, CI&T combines digital strategy with customer-centric design and top-of-the-line software engineering to offer end-to-end solutions from the business opportunity to the hands of the consumers. CINT combines these competences under one set of principles, practices, and methodologies called Lean Digital, a methodology unique to CINT that is a combination of the disruption of digital and the discipline and leadership frame of Mind of Lean. CINT generates business impact for clients across several geographies and industries, such as financial services, food and beverage, and pharmaceuticals, always focused on building strong client relationships that expand over time. Metaphorically speaking, giving giants nimble feet.
spk08: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to CIMT First Quarter 2022 Results Conference Call. I am Eduardo Galvão, Head of Investor Relations at CIMT. I'm glad to be here again to talk about our quarterly results. Today we have with us Cesar Ghosn, Founder and CEO, Bruno Guicardi, Co-Founder and President for North America and Europe, and Stanley Rodrigues, our CFO. This event is being recorded and all participants will be in a listen-only mode during the company's presentation. After that, there will be a questions and answers session for analysts and investors only. If you'd like to submit a question, please send it via email to investors at cint.com. This event is being broadcast live and may be accessed through the company's investor relations website at investors.cint.com, where the presentation is also available. The replay will be available shortly after the event is concluded. Some of the matters we'll discuss on this call, including our expected business outlook, are forward-looking statements, and as such are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties, including but not limited to those factors described in our earnings release and discussed in the risk factors section of our annual report on Form 20F and other reports we may file from time to time with the SEC. These risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed on this call. We caution you not to place undue reliance on those forward-looking statements because they are valid only as of the date when made. During this presentation, we'll comment on certain non-IFRS financial measures to evaluate our business. Please refer to the reconciliation tables of non-IFRS measures in the appendix for more details. Our agenda for today includes an update on our financial highlights and recent events, followed by some of our successful business cases and a few highlights. We'll then talk about our people and ESG strategy, and deep dive on our quarterly financial results. After the presentation, there will be a Q&A session. Now, I am pleased to invite César Ghosn to begin our presentation.
spk02: Thanks, Eduardo. Good day, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. We are excited to initiate 2022 with a strong revenue growth in the fourth quarter, which demonstrates the resilience and consistency of our engagements with long-term clients. Digital transformation has been enabling companies to unlock its business potential, increasing sales and improving profitability. And demands for our services remain strong in all industry verticals we operate. We also have been disciplined to onboard new clients every quarter to guarantee sustainable long-term growth. And our hiring machine continues to operate at full speed. That said, let's dive into our Q1 main figures. Our net revenue growth in the first quarter of 2022 was 66%, year over year, or 75% in constant currency. By the way, this is our 23rd quarter of consecutive net revenue growth. The main factors contributing to our higher growth pace continue to be the expansion of our engagements with existing clients, the addition of 60 new clients in our portfolio, reaching 110 clients with annual revenue above R$1 million, and our programmatic M&A strategy. We ended the quarter with more than 6.4 thousand CITers, a net addition of 2.7 thousand employees in the last 12 months. That's a 71% growth in our headcount. Once again, I want to express my gratitude to all CITers across the globe that have been dedicated to make this happen. Stanley will deep dive in our financial results shortly. Now let's take a look at three recent power stores with new phase of Audi and Hedux, the launch of our crypto powerhouse, and some additional highlights.
spk11: Nuvasiv, a global leader in spine technology innovation, sought CINT's help in improving its sales process in Japan, a key region for the company. Nuvasiv partners with leading surgeons to transform spine surgery, support providers to advance care, and design an enhanced experience that changes patient lives. Depending on the case and a doctor's preferences, surgical requirements can be complex and involve sales representatives and Nuvasiv's customer service team. CINT and Nuvasiv collaborated to create a cross-functional, multicultural team with professionals from China, the United States, and Japan. A critical first step was to understand the journey of sales reps and customers. We used a human-centric design to approach it in order to get a better understanding of the issues the groups faced and map out their challenges. The result was a digital solution, shaped by user needs, which helped with application adoption, drove immediate value for the end users' roles, and could scale with NuVasive Japan's growing business. As a result, approximately 65% of orders are processed in 5 minutes or less, a significant improvement compared to the prior semi-manual process, approximately 30% improvement in order efficiency for sales representatives and customer service team members, and increase in the number of orders processed per day as a result of the ability to register, locate products, and place orders easier and faster. These successful results motivated Nuvasiv to scale this enhanced sales experience in multiple geographies with different regulations, delivering even more value to its surgeons, providers, and, most importantly, patients.
spk10: Audi is one of the most iconic car brands in the world. SOMO, part of the CI&T family, is Audi of America's digital agency of record and plays a key role in the evolution of its MyAudi app. A huge milestone in this journey has been the development of Audi's Premium Charging Experience for EV owners, or PCE for short. Our brief was to build a solution empowering e-tron customers to manage their charging experience through the My Audi app. This included customers enrolling in the PCE program, charging their car at designated charging stations, and viewing their energy credit balance and charging history. In partnership with Audi of America and displaying flawless product leadership, we delivered a fully working digital product in just 8 weeks. Collaborating closely with Audi's global app teams, we overcame many technical challenges. The solution required complex API integrations to add customized call-to-actions for EV customers in America. Meanwhile, numerous backend connections were set up to allow the MyAudi app to communicate seamlessly with third-party applications. Our focus now is on scaling the product with new functionality. Currently in development is Plug and Charge, which enables drivers to begin a charging session by simply plugging the charger into their car. Customer engagement with PCE is thriving, with an impressive 78% enrollment rate and over 80,000 completed charging sessions to date. SOMO and Audi of America continue to innovate together to cement the brand status as a leader in electric transformation.
spk01: edux an education and technology leader has digital transformation as a key lever to growth its digital journey started in financial and administrative areas and the first core business digital initiative was in scene me an own solution that supports educational institutions in their digital learning strategies with content platform and methodology Promising first results motivated EDUCS to reach out to CI&T to leverage the company's digital capabilities. Our partnership began with the mission to strengthen the work already started in digital education. With a strong loyalty to students and their engagement with online studies, and to the agility in expanding the company's brand portfolio, EDUCS established the foundation for its digital ecosystem. Through a collaborative effort between CI&T and EDUCS, we ran a strategic discovery using best-in-class human-centric design to listen and learn from students, education institutions, and professors. From there, we supported EDUCS in developing its new platforms using intentional architecture to foster the business, precisely the virtual classroom and the student app. Both initiatives are developed in an integrated roadmap with both backlog and system integration. With this distinctive approach, we can prioritise the most relevant features, working towards the same goal, to improve the student experience and enhance EDUC's capabilities to scale a single platform for its different educational brands. The project reduced complaints about accessing the content by 67% and increased access through the mobile app by 40%. Currently, the virtual classroom supports peaks of 133,000 simultaneous accesses, allowing Eduq's brands to have 750,000 of its 800,000 students as active users with daily stability.
spk00: The importance of technology in education became much more obvious to everyone during the pandemic, but it was something that was always in our minds. And when we called CIT to work with us, the idea was to stay one or two years ahead of the competition, But in fact, we see this difference increasing. And I think their impact on us is not only in the form, in the content, in the interactions with the students, it is also in the way the entire company works. I think we are all thinking differently about how to solve problems, very much by the influence they have here with us. Thank you very much, guys. A hug.
spk01: With 100% of the students' journey available online, this story is evidence of a vision where people, from any part of a country, at any time, or on any device, can access quality education easily. And where leading companies, like edux, can count on CI&T to expand and materialise its strategies. Throughout the history of technology, there have been a few era-defining moments that caused significant changes in businesses and industries around the world. The innovation around cryptocurrencies, blockchain, and Web3 sets the stage for such a moment. To help our clients thrive in this new landscape, we have CINT's Crypto and Web3 Powerhouse. We focus on helping our clients discover and expand the opportunities enabled by Web3 and blockchain by assembling a global deep expertise group. Additionally, helping to develop next-generation professionals who can contribute to integrating existing businesses and technologies into this new world. With CI&T's methods, we can help our clients test a hypothesis to find out how crypto and Web3 can be used in creating new business models, opening new channels of engagement with their customers, joining a new global market, and repositioning their organization within a revised mindset of value portability and composability. the powerhouse has enabled our financial services clients to explore new offerings connected to digital assets and fi protocols it has also enabled our consumer products clients to increase customer engagement through the issuance and management of nfts and other types of smart contracts and finally even our crypto native clients to accelerate their growth with teams that understand this new set of technologies web 3 is a paradigm shift
spk05: Okay, it's disrupting everything from finance to art to collectibles to rewards to gaming. A lot of people still think it's all still just into the finance world, but actually it's spreading around to many, many different verticals and industries. And it's really like a sea of change, similar to the ones that we saw when the Internet was coming up in the 90s. And in fact, there's many analysis that show that we are at the moment with the Web3 adoption at the same stage roughly as we were with Internet circa 97. So companies that don't have Web3 strategy today risk being left behind.
spk03: We've seen an increased number of initiatives related to crypto and Web3 over the past year, driven by new business use case, as well as different ways of engaging with consumers. Some analysts expect that more than 20% of enterprises will be integrating with Web3 applications over the next two years. And the challenges they will face are going to be very unique. At CINT, the crypto and Web3 powerhouse allow us to accelerate the impact we can bring to our clients by combining this distributed knowledge and experience on the space with the development of our people in a new way that allowed us to help our clients in looking at the possibilities. and having experience with all the different types of technologies that are involved to make it happen. I cannot wait to see all the new ways that we'll be able to help our clients in unlocking new opportunities, as well as make their tomorrow.
spk11: The last few months have been full of recognitions, starting with the Great Place to Work ranking for best IT companies to work for. CINT was the third GPTW in the tech field in Brazil. We were also named a leader in application development and scaled agile and digital customer experience services for representing innovative strength and competitive stability, according to the definitions of the ISG Information Services Group, a leading global consulting and technology company. Market analysis, future projections, and inspections by ISG's global consulting team were the basis of the report. After completing a rigorous evaluation program marking the highest standards of technical delivery on the Acquia platform, CINT was honored to receive recognition as one of Acquia's first certified practices. The program awards these certifications to organizations with a proven record of technical achievement and a commitment to driving transformative business engagements on the Acquia platform. Finally, our investor, Advent, was awarded by LVCA. The award's goal is to showcase best-in-class examples of private capital activity in Latin America. Advent International received the 2022 Award for Gender and Diversity for its investment in CINT.
spk01: CI&T Future Ready Beauty and Wellness Forum was a half-day virtual event exploring digital beauty and wellness trends to accelerate learning and help guide business decisions. The event brought together industry leaders and experts at the forefront of beauty and wellness initiatives to explore how digital is helping brands connect with their consumers. The event elevated CI&T's name recognition within the beauty and wellness category by showcasing our thought leadership. Guests included business leaders from Pinterest, Johnson & Johnson, Scentbird, IPC, and more. In May, we launched our first ESG report. This initiative shows our journey in diversity, inclusion, governance, and environment. We are glad to have what to share and to be committed to a better world through increasing employment opportunities. As for highlights, we have a 40% of diversity representatives globally, including women, black people, people with disabilities, and LGBTQIA+. Following the UN Sustainable Development Goals, we selected six main goals to pursue that have more sense related to our business model. You can find the complete report on our investors' website, our ESG page at cint.com.
spk02: Now, I invite Bruno to talk about our people and ESG strategies.
spk06: Thanks, Cesar. Good morning, everyone. It's a pleasure to be here with you again. We concluded the first quarter of 2022 with more than 6,400 CITers, which represents a net addition of 2,700 employees in the last 12 months. In the first quarter alone, we onboarded around 400 trainees from the best Brazilian universities through NextGen, a program we have been running for more than two decades. In addition to that, we added around 300 people from SOMO, an acquisition we concluded in January this year. SOMO has teams in the UK, the US and Colombia, diversifying our global footprint and expanding our presence in strategic regions such as the US and Europe. We will leverage SOMO's Colombia footprint as a beachhead to further diversify our talent pool and expand in Latin America. We are committing time and energy to promote the CINT brand as an employer of choice in the region. Our goal is to be one of the most attractive companies for digital talent in that geography. We believe it has a powerful competitive advantage because of its cultural alignment and time zone proximity with the U.S. market, the biggest market worldwide. Today, I'd like to comment on the working environment that we have created at CINT, which gives us a competitive edge on the supply side. Cintiq culture has been built by our people throughout our 27 years history. It is genuine, strong, and nurtured daily by our values, processes, and actions. At the center is trust, which unites the elements of our culture and gives cohesion to what we believe and do, making it a joint construction. We foster autonomy and accountability, diversity and inclusion, We encourage our people to trailblaze new paths and build new knowledge collectively. And we promote a continuous learning and development mentality. This great environment stems from processes and methodologies we have been hunting and streamlining for more than two decades. CIT is about people, and we take this very seriously. Trust and care for each other enables everything we do. Markedly, our incredible growth that is only achievable by the continuous personal growth from each one of our team members. Our commitment to clients that is held by the chain of trustful relationships among our scientists. And our amazing collaboration, which makes us one of the top places to work globally, is built on the respect and care we extend to each other. Last week, we published our first ESG report, detailing our initiatives, results, and ambitions on the environmental, social, and governance front. This is a critical milestone for CINT. ESG is part of our foundation and we are very proud of the work we've been doing and will continue to do. We consider our communities and society as a whole as one of the stakeholders we work for. The world needs this from all of us and we're super excited to share how we're doing our part. Our SDG strategy is driven by a vision to create equitable advancement opportunities for everyone, provide educational and workforce development experiences for underrepresented groups, and reduce our environmental impact to create a more sustainable future. In 2020, we reviewed how we organize internally around ESG to accelerate impact. We designed this new governance to include all involved agents, action groups, ESG team, business units, and human resources. Our ESG strategy is guided by a global ESG committee that has a direct participation of two of our board members. And here you have a few examples that show we are on the right track. Currently, 40% of all CITers are part of at least one of our diversity groups, and we expect to move steadily to higher levels of diversity inclusion as we move forward, taking advantage of our rapid growth. In the last four years, our social initiatives positively impacted 22,000 people throughout several projects, including partnerships with many NGOs. Last year, we made an important step towards our sustainability strategy. We conducted the first inventory of greenhouse gas emissions in our Brazilian operations. Based on this initial assessment, we will be able to monitor and set up targets to reduce and compensate for our emissions. I invite you to download and read our ESG report, available on the Investor Relations website and through the QR code you see in this presentation. Now, I'd like to invite Stanley to comment on our financial performance. Stanley, hand it off to you.
spk12: Thank you, Bruno, and good morning everyone. Nice to be here again with you. And let's dive into our first quarter 2022 figures. We ended the quarter with a net revenue of R$ 491.9 million, a 66% growth compared to first quarter 2021. Our most recent acquisition, SOMO, contributed to 10 percentage points of our net revenue growth, and the net revenue in constant currency grew 75.3% in the period. This strong performance reflects our consistent net revenue retention rate that represents the revenue expansion from existing clients combined with the addition of new logos every quarter. In Q1 2022, we added 16 new logos that will foster the continuity of our growth in the coming years. Our adjusted EBITDA was 86.1 million reais, an increase of 26% over the same quarter last year. The EBITDA margin was 17.5% in the quarter as planned. It's worth mentioning that we have a planned seasonal effect of our results in the first quarter, when we have the annual salary adjustments for employees in Brazil, while the price readjustments in our contracts occurs throughout the year. Therefore, by design, we usually have higher margins in the second half of the year. On the other hand, it's worth mentioning that seasonality in 2020 and 2021 were affected by the pandemic, changing the typical patterns in our business. Another important factor is related to our general and administrative expenses. Naturally, we've stepped up the level of our G&A expenses in connection with our IPO and the compliance required as a public company. Most of these items are fixed expenses and will be diluted as we grow during the next quarter and years, providing us an operating leverage of our margins going forward. Finally, our adjusted net profit was 33.5 million reais, a decrease of 16% compared to Q1 due to higher financial expenses as we incurred new debt last year to finance debt extra acquisition, as well as higher depreciation and amortization from M&A. These items were partially offset by lower income tax expenses based on the corporate reorganization conducted last year post our IPO. Another important highlight in the quarter is our diversification in terms of geography, industry and revenue by clients. With the acquisition of SOMO, we now have 7% of our revenue coming from Europe, totaling 52% of our revenue coming from mature economies and 48% in LATAM. Analyzing the performance of our industry verticals, TMT gained relevance and became our top three verticals, while we are also fostering new verticals such as retail, logistics, and automotive, among others. Lastly, C&T reduced its top one client revenue share from 24% in Q1 2021 to 15% in Q2 2022. while our top 10 client share decreased from 73% to 51% in the same period. And we expect this trend to continue based on our revenue growth for 2022 and the onboard of new logos. A final comment on our growth engine. Our net revenue retention rate for 2022 is pointing to be above the 128% of 2021, boosted by the expansion of our existing engagements. This is a key factor for us to review our net revenue guidance for the current year. Our go-to-market strategy based on presenting our value proposition of delivering business impact in short cycles to new clients have been fruitful, as you can see in the right-hand chart. In Q4 2022, we successfully increased the number of clients with annual revenue above R$ 1 million from 94 in Q4 2021 to 110 in this quarter. The number of clients with revenues above R$ 5 million grew from 43 to 53 over the same period, building a solid cohort for the coming years. I will now pass it back to Cesar to conclude the presentation. Thank you for your attention. Always nice to be here with you. Cesar, please. Thank you, Stanley.
spk02: We are excited about the opportunities that lie ahead. Based on current market conditions and our existing engagements for the year, we are increasing our guidance for the full year of 2022. We expect our net revenue in the second quarter of 2022 to be at least 530 million reais, a 68% growth compared to our net revenue of 315 million reais in the second quarter of 2021. For the full year of 2022, we expect our net revenue to be at least 2.3 billion reais, or 442 million dollars, a 59% growth compared to our net revenue of 1.44 billion reais in 2021. This guidance contemplates 11 months of SOMO acquisition concluding late January 2022, contributing to around 11 percentage points of the revenue growth in the year. In addition, we estimate our adjusted EBITDA margin to be at least 20% for the full year of 2022. This guidance assumes an average exchange rate of 5.2 Brazilian reais to the US dollars for the full year. To summarize today, I would just recall that we have been expanding our growth pace in recent years based on a combination of three growth forces, a domain-driven digital strategy as a core component of our offering, our growth unit business architecture fostering a scalable, entrepreneurial organizational model, and a programmatic approach for M&A as an enduring new capability focused on a flow of selective and strategic acquisitions. Digital is a secular demand in the corporate world, and CIT will continue to expand aggressively throughout this decade. We are designed for adaptability, change, and innovation, either for ourselves or for our clients, such an essential thing in uncertain times. Maybe I would say for all times. That's what we had today. Thank you all for trusting CINT and for attending our call today. We now conclude our presentation and we may now begin the Q&A session.
spk08: Well, thank you, Cesar. We'll now begin the question and answer session. I'll announce each participant's name. Once you hear your name, please unmute your line and ask your question. Then when you're done, please mute your line. First question comes from Ashwin from Citibank. Ashwin, you may proceed.
spk13: Thank you, Eduardo. congratulations on the good good growth and and revenue numbers I was hoping to you know you provided obviously to queue I was hoping to get your comments on the rest of the year as well should we expect the the margin improvement to proceed quarter by quarter as you spread both the SG&A increases as well as wage increases over the course of the year? Or do you expect the wage inflation environment to continue to be challenged?
spk12: Hi, Ashwin. This is Stanley. Thank you for your question. Good question. This helps to understand the seasonality typical in our business. As you said, first quarter, we have salary adjustments on the Brazil salary payroll. And exactly what happens throughout the year, we will have the price adjustments in our contracts and naturally our margins will step up. And in an average, we have the 20% guidance that we are providing in EBITDA throughout the year. And that's exactly as you described what we expect to happen.
spk13: Understood. And then, Cesar, you referred to M&A as a programmatic approach to M&A. Does this mean that having completed the couple of acquisitions here, you are becoming more comfortable with M&A as a regular contributor? And could you talk perhaps about the M&A pipeline and the available valuations?
spk02: Thank you for your question. I think we are very excited with our M&A strategy. I think Dextra and Somu are two very concrete examples that we can really speed up our organic growth adding capabilities and especially reputation in new geographies and verticals. And I think this macro environment plays in favor of our M&A strategy. And I see a strong pipeline. Basically, I see two main perspectives. that is improving. One is I think founders and we look carefully for very good founder led companies. I think founders are more willing to discuss a deal or transaction at this moment. And also, as you mentioned, I think there is more space for pricing discussions in better terms. I think both, if you combine, I think make us very confident that we will continue our strategy of combining our main source of value creation, that is organic growth, with a very programmatic and I would say strong M&A strategy.
spk08: Got it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Ashwin. Our next question comes from Pune from JP Morgan.
spk15: Hey, thanks for taking my question. Quick question on demand. Cesar, I heard like relatively encouraging comments on demand environment and what you are seeing in your business. How do we reconcile that with concerns around inflation, oil prices, macro concerns broadly? how much visibility you have on sustainability of this demand trends over next few quarters?
spk02: Thank you, Puneet. Great to see you. Well, I think you could see demand for our services remain strong. I believe uncertainty is the best soil for digital strategies and for CINT value proper of combining strategy, design, engineering, very pragmatic way to generate results, concrete results. in a very short time. I think I would like to highlight that 86% of our demand comes from large brick and mortar traditional winning companies and only 14% of our demand comes from digital native players. I think also this profile give us part of the resilience we have in in looking ahead and see the trends. If you look at the main verticals we are exposed to, financial services, I think the competition among traditional financial institutions and the fintechs continue to create a lot of demand for us. We are playing both sides of this battle. We see a lot of crypto and blockchain use cases around trading, custody. Well, there's tremendous opportunities on open banking, regulatory, not only regulatory, but new platforms to take advantage of a whole new batch of information available. And if you go for another industry, we are growing a lot as retail. We see massive investment around e-commerce, omnichannel, marketplace strategies, use cases around combining sales journeys in-store and online it. same day delivery, online purchase of goods with pickup on the store. So plan of opportunities for companies to explore digital and foster growth and in search of a more, I would say, complex economic environment and data. I think data across all the industry, advanced analytics, machine learning algorithms, are now, I would say, a core part of any strategy around digital. And I don't see companies really reducing investment around this because this is the real future, the real way to stay relevant in the future. So I think this is, again, uncertain is the best soil for digital. And we are happy to be very well positioned.
spk15: No, that's good to know. And are you seeing any changes in client priorities or how they think about outsourcing to a certain region or any region after this geopolitical issues in Eastern Europe? Are you seeing any changes in how clients outsource and seeing maybe more work coming towards Latin America as a result of that?
spk02: Yeah, I think you're right. I think those geopolitical threats in Eastern Europe highlight how stable is Latin America and how important is the region, the whole region in terms of global sourcing of tech talents. And I think for CIT, I think we are really I would say very, very competitive in the largest tech talent pool in Latin America, that is Brazil. And also, as Bruno mentioned, we are diversifying our strategy. But at the end of the day, I think Latin America now is on the spot for global sourcing of tech and digital. And I think we can take advantage of that too.
spk15: Got you. Thank you.
spk08: Thank you, Jeremy. Thank you, Pune. So next question comes from Arturo Langa from Itaú. Arturo, you may proceed.
spk04: Hi. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, team. So congratulations on the results. I guess on the back of the last question, Cesar, where do you see sort of, you know, the life cycle of digital in your clients, you know, what, what inning are we? And I asked this, you know, when you walk into your clients and see their infrastructure, do you still find a lot of, you know, monolithic websites or legacy systems? And so, you know, the plumbing that is, that you guys are constructing, how much, how much room do you still see? How much, how far away do you see maybe the, traditional brick and mortar companies from implementing the necessary system architectures and design practices to really be up to date with, you know, best in class sort of digital transformation journeys. You know, broad picture, are we still in the first, second inning or have you seen companies really make progress in the past years in terms of rolling out those system architectures? And I think the second one is more related to hiring. We saw an impressive number of new hires, and I think there is a sort of linearity between revenue growth and hiring. What is the pace you plan to keep that up? Should we think about an acceleration in hiring or maybe maintaining the current levels? Those would be my two questions.
spk02: Thank you. Great to see you, Arturo. Thank you for the questions. I will start with the first one and Bruno can help me with the second. I think digital transformation is a long journey. We are seeing just the I would say the beginning of this really a combination of two main forces. One is maybe more visible. That is the technology, the growing number of technology possibilities that companies can use. And the second trend is consumer behavior. the society is changing in such a speed that companies need to react all the time to that. That put a lot of pressure on really take advantage of the new technology possibility and try to catch up with what's happened with your customer, with your consumers. And in terms of, I would say the curve of technology adoption, it's, we, we we see a part of the challenge maybe the most visible part is migrate to the cloud establish digital architectures and process and and practice that will allow you to really play digital in the right way but there is this is one of the redesigns traditional companies need to face but there's two more very important redesigns. One is the management system. Companies need to operate with a completely different set of management practice, budget practices, reporting practices. The way they operate need to adapt to the digital center. And finally, there is the leadership challenge. Companies also need to evolve in their leadership development practices. So at the end of the day, migrate from last century command and control to the digital leadership, collaborative co-creation, everything that will create or foster talent to really be problem solved at scale. I think if you combine these three major challenges or three major redesigns, that's why we see more than a decade of investments around this translation of traditional winners of the 20th century to be important and relevant in protagonists in the 21st century. And now I think Bruno could help you with the people and headcount question, Bruno. Bruno, I think you are on mute.
spk06: Sorry, guys, classic pandemic mistake, right? So thank you for the question, Arturo. Yes, you can expect the people growth to follow revenue, right? So it's a very linear relation there. We do have on the Q1, it's especially bigger because we onboard usually our trainee program, as I mentioned, is a kind of a very common thing we do. If you remember, our strategy is to grow our own people, to develop our own people. So we're kind of not focused on that. on the senior level. So we kind of invest on junior to mid level and grow those people for us. Our value proposition for people is to we grow faster than the industry, which means we promote from within and we will grow faster your career here than anywhere else. So that's a very strong value proposition. That works and it's been working for many years and it's very compelling for tech people that want to develop themselves, they want to get new things and always be learning new things. So it's a very compelling experience. Our attract indicators, like the number of proposals accepted is very high. It's close to 80%. So even it's a very competitive market, we continue to be very, very competitive and compelling message, right? Again, Q1 is a little higher because of the onboarding of trainees, but the rest of the year, you can see a very linear relation between revenue and people.
spk04: Oh, perfect. And maybe just there, Bruno, with respect to the hires during the quarter, they start generating revenue in approximately how much time since hiring? I mean, maybe in other words, where is your overall utilization rate right now due to the strong hirings? Is it a little bit below average? And should we expect that to go up?
spk06: Yeah, yes. That's, I think, as Stanley pointed out before, right? So that has to do with the seasonality as well, right? So as one board, for example, 400 trainees, they would take four to six months to become billable, right? So they will be training a lot of training, a lot of our own job training. It would be already on the teams, but it would not be billable until four to six months. When we hire like a mid-level, it takes kind of one to two. In senior, probably it's almost right away billable, right? So that's the difference there in that we will see margins growing up over as we go to billing, right? So that's the effect there.
spk04: Makes sense. Thank you so much for the answers and congratulations.
spk08: Thank you. Thanks, Arturo. Our next question comes from Vitor Tomita from Goldman Sachs. Vitor, please go ahead.
spk07: Good morning everyone and thanks for taking our questions. Two questions from us. The first is if you could give us some more color on how the early stages of the integration of SOMO are going and how the initial contacts with their clients are going. And our second question would be, how you believe your guidance for margins could change if the US dollar exchange rate remains at lower levels, maybe closer to the current level of R$5 rather than the R$5.20 assumed in the guidance, if that could be a relevant change. Thank you.
spk02: Well, I can start with SOMO question. I think, of course, there's a very low-hanging fruit on presenting the scale and global and wide set of capabilities of CI&T. to the current portfolio of Soma and we are already doing that. We are starting to really operate with their customer in different geographies and with different capabilities. And of course, there is also the opportunity, I would say more mid to long term opportunity of leverage their vertical expertise. Soma is very specialized on the auto. and utility industries, especially in UK and we can leverage this virtual expertise in other regions we are operating. So I think so far we see this really working very well. I think we could see SOMU continue to support and really deliver the excellent quality of services they provide for their customers, and also now have the global opportunity of participating in the CINT platform to really speed up growth in terms of the range of services and capabilities available. The second question, I think Stanley can address that, right?
spk12: Yes. Victor, with regard to margins going forward because of FX, as you can remember, our guidance is based on a 5.2 FX going forward. And a good proxy for you to understand the dynamics is for each 40 cents in the exchange rate, each variation, we will see one percentage point increase of variation in our EBITDA. So this is a good reference for you to understand the variations going forward.
spk07: Very clear. Thank you both.
spk08: Thank you, Vitor. Our next question comes from Jason from Bank of America. Jason, please.
spk06: Now my turn to say they were probably on mute, Jason.
spk08: Jason, your line is open. I have some issue here with this audio. So we do have some questions from email, which we covered most of them. So let me get one here that we received from one investor. In terms of geographic diversification, which region is growing faster and where do you see more opportunities? In other words, where do you expect a revenue breakdown to be in the next three to five years? Cesar, do you want to comment on that?
spk02: I can comment on that. I think now we have Jason. Well, basically, organically, we see, of course, our main source of growing coming from the USA, the largest market for digital, and where we are very well positioned. And also we see now Europe with a very good trend, especially now that after we acquire SOMO and so we see also a lot of demand coming from Europe in the following year. So basically what you should expect is as now we are forecasting ending this year with 56% of our revenue coming from developed countries or hard currents. And this will gradually increase as we are growing faster in these regions. So now we have Jason.
spk08: Yeah. Jason, please go ahead. still can't hear you it's probably a mic issue we can see you but we can hear yeah oh yeah
spk16: How's that?
spk08: Yeah.
spk16: I'm working on a different machine than usually. I wanted to ask about coming back on the wage inflation point. Do you guys expect to be able to pass 100% of the wage inflation onto your customers during the course of the year? And then can you also just comment on voluntary employee attrition in the quarter and how that trended versus the prior quarter?
spk06: Take that one. So the wage inflation, just to point out, it's not an issue. It's a known issue for Brazil operations, which fortunately or unfortunately, it's already part of the culture. So it's already regulated by contracts. So it's the only issue for developed markets, right? And yes, we do expect to over the year to pass that along. So we still see, as Cesar mentioned before, it's a very strong market in terms of demand and the shortage of supply. So that creates a lot of elasticity for companies like CIT. So we are very privileged position as a specialist in this market to kind of capture that value. So yes, we'll have some, some seasonality. So this is happening now and, and it's, it's an uncommon type of conversation with clients, but you know, that's going to happen. It's happening everywhere in the industry and that's going to pass on to prices. Your second question, sorry. Regarding attrition.
spk16: Yeah.
spk06: Yeah, attrition is a little higher than our historic levels, but still in a very healthy place. It's 16%. Most of the bump there was a little more competitive market in M&A. So the SOMO and DEXRA had a little higher attrition, so they kind of add up to the historic 12% attrition of CIT. But we're still very comfortable there, very confident that the most important attrition number that we looked at is actually leadership attrition. And that number is under 4%. So that's very important because that's our ability to remain projecting very solid growth. Our leadership in all levels that actually guarantee the quality of our delivery. and ability to continue to grow and develop our own people. So that's, and that's a very, it's a very solid number of 4%. So when we trust now ability to maintain that, that healthy retention rate and, you know, and continue to provide, you know, a very compelling value proposition to our people.
spk16: Maybe just one quick follow-up just on the revenue guidance race for the year, would there be one or two call-outs there that are primarily driving that either in By vertical, by geography, just curious where the main source of, you know, the upside is coming from.
spk02: I can get this one. I think that the main verticals for us, the growth is happening, financial services, retail, TMT, and consumer goods, basically, I think, are the major source of growth for us. And as I explained, I think digital is fundamental source of competitiveness. and growth in these verticals.
spk16: Thank you.
spk06: So mostly demand coming from our traditional companies, right? So the brick and mortar cluster there, that's kind of really driving the growth.
spk02: Yeah, perfectly, Bruno. I think just we mentioned we are operating with a very high net revenue rotation. last year was 128% and this year will be even higher. I think this demonstrates how solid is our portfolio of customers and our main source of growth.
spk16: I appreciate it.
spk08: Thanks, Jason. We have a follow-up question from Arturo from Itaú. Arturo, go ahead. Hi. Yes, thank you.
spk04: Thank you for the follow-up. Just on the back of the question regarding hiring, I saw some expansion to other LATAM countries. I think Colombia stood out. Just to think about expansion from a headcount perspective to other countries in the region, where should we think about that maybe in one to two years looking forward in terms of percentage, right? Where do you expect to be in terms of headcount diversification within the region? That would be useful. Thank you.
spk06: Thank you for the question, Arturo. So you can think of a gradual diversification towards other countries in Latin America that are not Brazil, right? We, of course, we're not kind of trying to run away from our leadership position in Brazil. Brazil will continue to grow strong, but we will diversify. Colombia is a great addition, right? So it's a great beachhead we got from the SOMO acquisition. And then now we're going to leverage to make it way bigger to support the overall CIT business. And that's going to happen with other great sources of talent in Latin America. So we will see that diversification happily, gradually and steadily in the next two, three, five years.
spk04: No, perfect. Thank you. Thank you for the question.
spk08: All right. So that concludes our Q&A session. Thank you all for attending our event today. I would now like to invite Cesar to proceed with his closing remarks. Cesar, please.
spk02: Thanks. Thanks, Eduardo. Stanley, Bruno, for joining me today. Thank you all for participating in our call. As you know, the demand for our service remains strong, and we are very confident we will have another strong year. Again, I want to thank all CIN tiers, clients, investors, and partners for their continued support. And of course, I'm looking forward to see you all in a couple of months.
spk08: Thank you all. Bye. Thank you. Thank you very much.
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