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spk11: Good morning. My name is Chris, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to the Compass Minerals Q4 and fiscal 2022 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question during this time, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star one again. Thank you. Brent Collins, VP, Investor Relations. You may begin.
spk12: Thank you, operator. Good morning and welcome to the Compass Minerals fiscal 2022 fourth quarter earnings conference call. Today we will discuss our recent results and our outlook for fiscal 2023. We will begin with prepared remarks from our president and CEO, Kevin Crutchfield, and our CFO, Lauren Crenshaw. Joining in for the question and answer portion of the call will be George Shuler, our Chief Operations Officer, Jamie Standen, our Chief Commercial Officer, Chris Yandel, our Head of Lithium, and Ryan Bartlett, Senior Vice President, Lithium Commercial and Technology. Before we get started, I will remind everyone that the remarks we make today reflect financial and operational outlooks as of today's date, November 30, 2022. These outlooks entail assumptions and expectations that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause the company's actual results to differ materially. A discussion of these risks can be found in our SEC filings located online at investors.compassminerals.com. Our remarks today also include certain non-GAAP financial measures. You can find reconciliations of these items in our earnings release or in our presentation, both of which are available online. The results in our earnings release issued last night and presented during this call reflect only the continued operations of the business other than amounts pertaining to the condensed consolidated statements of cash flows or unless noted otherwise. The company's fiscal 2022 fourth quarter results and fiscal 2023 outlook in the earnings release and discussed during this call reflect the previously announced change in fiscal year end from December 31st to September 30th. All year-over-year comparisons to fiscal 2022 fourth quarter and fiscal 2022 results refer to the corresponding period ending September 30, 2021. And now I will turn the call over to Kevin.
spk06: Thanks, Brent. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining the call today. We appreciate your continued interest in Compass Minerals as we work to reposition our company for accelerated growth reduced weather dependency and sustainable value creation by expanding our central minerals portfolio into the adjacent markets of lithium and next-generation fire retardants. Fiscal 22 was challenging from a short-term financial standpoint, but I believe will prove to be transformative in the long term. We continue to make meaningful strides in all three of our strategic focus areas, building a sustainable culture, delivering on our commitment, and leveraging our advantage assets to create long-term shareholder value. I'll take a few minutes to highlight specific accomplishments in each of these three areas before turning the call over to Lauren to provide more details on our financials for the fourth quarter and full fiscal year, and then provide some perspective on our outlook for 2023. Starting with employee culture, we took a number of actions over the course of the fiscal 2022 to provide the tools and training necessary to ensure safe and responsible operations. I would like to salute each of our employees throughout North America and the UK for their contributions to the outstanding safety performance the company delivered this year. Through their efforts and supported by an increased focus on behavior-based safety training and engineering solutions, we maintained a consistent safety performance throughout the year. The result was a total case incident rate, or TCIR, of 1.27, reflecting a roughly 56% improvement year over year. To be clear, our ultimate goal when it comes to safety is zero harm, meaning no reportable injuries across our platform. In a mining and industrial manufacturing environment, that's obviously a very difficult target to achieve, but we owe it to our employees and their families to strive for absolute perfection when it comes to safety. We also continue to believe this goal is possible, as evidenced by the fact that several of our operating sites went the entire fiscal year with zero injuries. As I've stated previously, I deeply appreciate the level of care, focus, discipline, and collaboration essential to operating safely and responsibly, ensuring that each employee returns home to their family in the same condition as they left. this is and always will remain a top priority for compass minerals when your culture is strong it provides the foundation for execution which was our second area strategic focus delivering on our commitment or put another way doing what we said we were going to do a year ago on this call i talked about our commitment to protecting our balance sheet strengthening our core assets and increasing our focus on the high growth opportunities in the lithium and next generation fire retardant market. From a portfolio perspective, we completed the sale of our South America chemicals business and received the maximum earn out payment associated with the sale of our South America specialty plant nutrition business, using proceeds from both transactions to reduce our debt. To ensure we have the leadership in place to take advantage of our emerging growth opportunities, We bolstered our senior management team with the addition of key executives, including Lauren Crenshaw, Chief Financial Officer, and Chris Yandel, Head of Lithium, deepening our team's financial expertise, industry perspective, and advanced battery supply chain experience. I can't overstate their influence on our achievements this year. I'm thrilled to have them on board and look forward to their continued partnership along this journey. We also brought in the governance document of our board to the appointment of Garrett Joyce, Rich Daley, Ed Dowling, Melissa Miller, John Chisholm, and Shane Wagner, who collectively enhanced the board's operational, financial, advanced battery supply chain, and human capital management expertise. And with an eye toward the future, we continue to invest in the safe and efficient operation of our core assets. Through continuing to progress on our Goddard's Mine Plan, and a much-needed upgrade to our barge stock at our Coke launch month. Turning to our financial performance for the full year, as I indicated earlier, fiscal 2022 was challenging from a financial and operating perspective for a variety of reasons. As we've discussed on past calls, the inflationary pressures that all industries have had to deal with in 2022 had a particularly acute impact on our salt segment. as the contract architecture of our North American highway business does not allow for the pass-through of inflationary costs in real time. As a result, our profitability was severely tempered by historic levels of inflation, resulting in higher distribution and production costs. We took actions throughout the year to partially offset some of those effects, primarily through raising price within our consumer and industrial business. However, ultimately, the impact of these efforts fell far short in comparison to the inflationary effects, causing the profitability of our salt segment to come in well below the inherent earnings potential for this business. The most impactful action we could take during the year to restore the profitability of this business was to approach the recent North American Highway de-icing salt bidding season with a very disciplined strategy, emphasizing value over volume. And that's precisely what we did. As a result, we expect pricing in 2023 to rise on the order of 15% and volumes to decline on the order of 9%. I'm pleased with the team's efforts and expect to see substantial progress in fiscal 23 as measured by EBITDA per ton rising to match or exceed the $20 per ton in EBITDA the salt segment has delivered on average over time up from approximately $15 EBITDA per ton is delivered in fiscal 22. Our plant nutrition business had a strong year from a profitability perspective, with EBITDA per ton of approximately $245, above the long-run average for this business. However, we continue to be challenged throughout the year to deliver production volumes in line with historical levels. On that measure, we fell short of what we believe is the inherent potential for this business. Again, Lauren will provide more color on the financial shortage. While navigating these short-term challenges to our core businesses, we stayed laser focused on advancing our third strategic focus area, leveraging our advantaged assets to reposition our company for future growth. One dimension of that repositioning relates to our strategic investment in Fortress North America, a next-generation fire retardant company focused on reinventing wildfire application technology to make them safer for the environment and also more effective. The fortress team had three primary strategic objectives for calendar year 22. Secure adequate capital for full commercialization, bolster the leadership team, and advance each main product, FR 600, FR 200, FR 100, and FR 105, closer to qualification and commercialization. From a funding perspective, our $45 million equity investment this fiscal year increased our stake to roughly 45% and helped position Fortress to build out its manufacturing infrastructure, stockpile inventories of raw goods, and begin hiring key staff. From a people standpoint, Fortress made great strides in 2022, naming a Chief Manufacturing and Supply Chain Officer and a Chief of Air Base Operations who formerly served as the U.S. Forest Service Director of Fire and Aviation Management for California Region 5, the U.S. Forest Service's largest region in the entire country. They've recently recruited several highly skilled air base infrastructure and operations managers with decades of experience building and operating air tanker bases. Product-wise, FR600, a ground retardant, was fully qualified in early 2022 and placed on the U.S. Forest Service's qualified product list. Fortress launched production and successfully provided revenue-producing test volumes for select clients with use cases focused on utilities, residential, and commercial properties. FR200, a liquid concentrate aerial retardant, successfully passed all required tests and completed all operational field evaluation requirements which included successfully air dropping the required 200,000 gallons under live wildfire conditions, which Fortress performed at an air base located in Montana. FR 105, a second generation dry concentrate aerial retardant, has successfully passed all required tests and commenced its operational field evaluation, which we expect to be completed during 2023 fire season. And lastly, FR-100, Fortress' first-generation dry concentrate, has passed all required tests and successfully completed its operational field evaluation requirements. We're pleased with the progress that Fortress has made. A couple of important milestones that are not entirely within the team's control but essential to breaking through are the completion of the Environmental Impact Statement, or EIS, by the U.S. Forest Service, and substantially being awarded air base allocations and attendant contracts. This EIS is scheduled to be updated every 10 years and expired in December of 2021. Our working assumption was that it would be finalized by the end of calendar year 2021. That didn't occur, and the EIS is now roughly 11 months behind its regulatory expiration date. We expect the magnesium chloride formulation at the heart of fortress retardants to be confirmed as acceptable for use as part of the EIS. As a result, we expect the eventual completion of this study to provide the necessary environmental clearance for fortress aerial fire retardants and to set the stage for bringing their highly effective, more environmentally friendly flame retardants to market. On the lithium project front, Most of you are well aware of the significant progress we've made this fiscal year. In September, we provided a comprehensive overview of our strategic path forward to maximize the value of our North America lithium brine resource. As a part of that strategic update, we announced the achievement of five key milestones. First, we announced a $252 million strategic equity investment from Coat Middleton Trading LLC to advance phase one of the development of our lithium brine resource, explore opportunities for execution synergies across the company, and further align our capital structure with our strategy through additional debt reduction. Second, we shared the selection of energy source minerals with our phase one DLE technology provider after three years of extensive testing of multiple DLE technologies and providers. We also shared the results, including a technical report summary of our FAL1 engineering estimate, confirming that our project is projected to be highly cost competitive, the lowest by our estimation on the entire domestic lithium cost curve, leveraging our robust existing infrastructure. Fourth, we announced our intention to construct by 2025 a conversion facility at our Ogden Utah solar evaporation site with a target annual production of 11,000 metric tons of lithium carbonate with an expected NPV of between $626 million to $985 million and an after-tax IRR of between 28 and 36% on estimated development capital of approximately $262 million at an FEL1 level of accuracy. And finally, we announced the completion of a life cycle assessment, confirming a strong sustainability profile for phase one of our lithium development. From a valuation perspective, the projected after-tax MTV of phase one of our lithium project is approximately $626 million, assuming an average lithium carbonate selling price of approximately $16,000 per MT. which equates to nearly 40% of our 30-day average market cap for approximately $15.25 per share. Similarly, the NPV of Phase II of our lithium development is projected to be approximately $1.4 billion, assuming an average lithium hydroxide filling price of approximately $17,000 per MT. equating to roughly 85% of our 30-day average market cap and approximately $34 per share. It's worth noting that the average sales price for lithium products used to calculate these NPVs is but a mere fraction of today's indicative prices, highlighting the upside leverage our project possesses. Together, the growth opportunities we're undertaking clearly represent sizable potential upside for our business. and one that we would expect to benefit our employees, community, and our shareholders alike. Overall, we believe the actions we've taken in fiscal 22 laid the foundation for an increase in the absolute earnings power of Compass Minerals and our long-term earnings growth rate and ultimately in the valuation of our company. With that said, the fact that our stock price is trading at a considerable discount to the value of successfully executing our lithium development suggest a considerable upside potential it also likely reflects a measure of skepticism among investors in our view our leadership team and employees embrace the execution challenge before us and expect to resolve the current valuation disconnect over time through successful execution looking ahead our focus in 23 will be to deliver improved overall financial performance and continue advancing our transformation strategy with an emphasis on the following six strategic objectives. Number one, building on the outstanding safety performance of the past 12 months to continue our drive towards zero harm across each of our facilities. Number two, restoring the profitability of our salt business to levels we've demonstrated in the past. Number three, developing and executing strategies to improve the reliability and sustainability of our SOP production, which should allow for increased production levels over time. Number four, achieving the commercial and project related milestones on our roadmap to advance phase one of our lithium development. Number five, supporting Fortress North America's efforts to become the first new entrance in the market for fire retardant chemicals in two decades during the upcoming 23 wildfire season, subject to completion of the EIS. And last, number six, continuing to enhance our financial standing and maintain our overall credit profile. In closing, I'm excited about the path we're on and the sizable opportunity before us as we execute our strategy to accelerate our growth, raise our earnings power, and reduce our weather dependency. I believe that we have the right team and the right strategy in place to realize this opportunity and create real value over time. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Lauren, who will discuss our financial performance in greater detail and our outlook for the fiscal 23 year. Lauren? Thank you, Kevin.
spk14: On a segment basis, SALT revenue totaled $188.9 million for the fourth quarter, up 18% year over year. driven by 15% growth in sales volumes and a 3% increase in average selling price. Both the highway and CNI businesses delivered higher sales volumes versus the prior year. Highway average selling price was up 7%, and CNI pricing rose roughly 5%, primarily due to continued price increases to offset inflationary pressures. On a full year basis, SALT revenue grew 12% to approximately $1 billion on an 11% increase in sales volume and 1% increase in average selling price. Despite higher revenue, SALT operating earnings declined 27% to $16.3 million for the quarter and by 34% to $117.4 million for the full year as increased production and distribution costs more than offset revenue growth. From a cost perspective, Roughly two-thirds of the full year increase was driven by higher shipping and handling costs, which rose 19% to roughly $28 per ton, and one-third by higher all-in production costs, which rose 7% to roughly $43 per ton. The increase in cash costs was primarily driven by inflationary impacts and higher maintenance costs. The increase in shipping and handling costs primarily reflected a combination of inflationary impacts such as fuel surcharges and higher costs to serve our markets due to geographic mix. Turning to our plant nutrition segment, revenue for the fourth quarter grew 17% to $57.8 million, despite a 22% decline in sales volumes on higher pricing. Specifically, average selling price rose 12% sequentially to over $929 per ton and was up 49% year over year reflecting the continued favorable supply-demand dynamics impacting the global fertilizer sector during the period. Operating earnings were $12.6 million, up from a loss of $0.2 million, and EBITDA was $21.8 million, more than doubling year over year. Higher average selling prices more than offset the impact of lower production volumes on sales, and cash costs resulting in operating margins of 22%, and adjusted EBITDA margins of 38%, both up substantially year over year. Flat nutrition's full year results reflected operating earnings of $37.1 million, over four times higher than the prior year levels, and EBITDA of $72.7 million, up 62% year over year, driven by a strong pricing environment. On a consolidated basis, revenue was $249.4 million for the fourth quarter, up 18% year over year, and rose 9% for the full year. Fourth quarter adjusted consolidated operating earnings increased $2.7 million year-over-year to $5.1 million and declined 42% to $65.3 million for the full year. You'll notice in this quarter's income statement that we've broken out the impact of our equity method investment in Fortress. We currently own approximately 45% of Fortress and pick up our proportionate share of their net income or loss as a non-cash item in our income statement. Adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations includes the drag on earnings related to our early stage strategic initiatives in lithium and next generation fire retardants. In the fourth quarter, adjusted EBITDA increased by 6% to $35 million, which includes $4 million of costs for lithium and the non-cash loss related to fortress. For the full year, adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations was $187.1 million, down 22% year over year. This included $13.1 million of costs for those same strategic initiatives. From a leverage standpoint, we ended the year with net leverage of 4.6 times as defined by our credit agreement. Throughout the year, we took several steps to align our financial policy and capital structure with our strategy to accelerate growth and reduce the weather dependency of our earnings profile, including recalibrating our dividend, earmarking $200 million of the net proceeds from the Koch equity investment towards funding phase one of our lithium development, and approximately $40 million for permanent debt reduction, and finally, completing the divestiture of our South America chemicals business and applying the net proceeds towards debt reduction. We are thrilled to be fully funded from a lithium development perspective through 2024, And Phil, the approach that we took demonstrated our commitment to funding our growth in a financially prudent manner. From a free cash flow perspective for fiscal 22, despite the substantially below trend adjusted EBITDA performance and $45 million investment in Fortress, we nevertheless delivered positive free cash flow of approximately $18 million, benefiting from the $51 million in proceeds from the sale of our South America chemicals business and an $18.5 million earn-out payment associated with the sale of our South America specialty plant nutrition business. Overall, our financial flexibility, liquidity, manageable debt maturity profile, and amended credit facility give us confidence that we are well-positioned to manage through a wide range of potential weather-related outcomes in fiscal 23. Skipping towards our 2023 earnings outlook, First of all, investors will notice that we have modified our approach to providing adjusted EBITDA guidance from only providing guidance assuming normalized winter weather to providing a range of potential outcomes. Although on average and over time, demand for deicing salt is stable, it's virtually impossible to reliably and accurately forecast in any single year winter weather activity and deicing sales volumes in the North American and UK markets that we serve, given the highly weather-dependent nature of demand. Accordingly, this year we provided a projected range of potential earnings outcomes that consider various winter weather scenarios, including the potential impacts of mild or strong winter weather. I'll start by framing our expectations for salt and plant nutrition, and then lay out the high-level strategic milestones we expect to accomplish for lithium and fortress our two primary growth initiatives. Starting with the SALT segment, the 2023 range that we provided reflects our current book of business for fiscal 23, and then assumes normalized weather conditions and average historical sales to commitment outcomes. Overall, sales volumes for the de-icing business are expected to be down approximately 7% year over year, which is consistent with our focus on value over volume during the recent bidding season. As Kevin indicated earlier, we expect North America highway de-icing pricing to rise roughly 15% compared to prior year bid season results. This translates into projected increase in pricing at the SALT segment level of approximately 9% year-over-year. Within our CNI business, we expect pricing to be up a couple percentage points year-over-year on similar volumes. Under those parameters, we would expect salt segment EBITDA in the range of 215 to $255 million in fiscal 23. Overall, assuming normalized winter weather, we expect our salt segment to show improved profitability year over year to around $20 of EBITDA per ton, up from roughly $15 per ton in fiscal 22 on higher pricing driven by our successful efforts to pass through inflationary and fuel impacts incurred in fiscal 22 as part of the recent bidding season and recalibrating our mix for geographies where we have natural competitive advantages that enhance our profitability. Achieving EBITDA per ton of around $20 or more would reflect a successful restoration of the profitability of this business to historical levels, which was our objective heading into the most recent bidding season. In our earnings release and earnings deck, We have also provided the estimated impact of volume, revenue, and EBITDA for the SALT segment during mild and strong winter weather scenarios. These bookends entail significant estimates by management that use an array of information including historical weather data and sales to commitment outcomes. In plant nutrition, higher unit costs reflecting elevated production costs are expected to result in lower profitability as measured by EBITDA per ton on a year-over-year basis on relatively flat sales lines. As background, SOP production levels in any given year are ultimately a function of the amount of pond times available to harvest between September and May, which are in turn a function of the quality of the evaporation season, which occurs between May and September. Unfortunately, the 2022 evaporation season resulted in less potassium deposited in the ponds year over year, due to less than favorable weather conditions, which will adversely impact our fiscal 23 production capacity. With a focus on servicing our longstanding customer relationships and maintaining our position as the primary North American producer of SOP, this year we will purchase potassium chloride as a supplemental feedstock, an effective approach to driving more tons, but one that yields lower than normal margins at current potassium chloride prices. In addition to the increased use of potassium chloride in 2023 compressing our margins, costs per ton are also expected to be higher due to a combination of higher per unit pond processing costs, which have a significant fixed component, and incremental costs related to actions we are taking to mitigate the impacts of the ongoing drought at our Ogden facility. Pricing-wise, we expect to continue benefiting from a broadly constructive global fertilizer supply demand dynamic, our guidance calls for a modest year-over-year increase in the average SOP price on a full year basis, with pricing in the first quarter of 23 expected to track roughly in line with the fourth quarter of 22, before moderating each quarter sequentially thereafter. Our view on SOP pricing reflects our best estimate at this time, and one that will update quarterly throughout the year. In 2023, we will remain focused on implementing both short and long-term solutions to improve our ability to predict annual SOP production levels at Argonne more consistently and reliably through data and science-based approaches that enable us to evaluate the myriad of weather and chemistry conditions impacting production there. In the near term, we're in the process of further refining engineering controls and design, such as raising our dikes, improving access to brine, more efficient use of fresh water, and upgrading pumping systems to maximize harvest tons. For the long term, we have undertaken a detailed review of our holistic end-to-end process designed to optimize our pond chemistry and ultimately ensure more sustainable and reliable SOP production levels, including both pond-based and supplemental potassium feedstock, further solidifying Compass Minerals as the leading SOP provider in North America. We expect the key drivers of this segment's profitability in fiscal 23 to be production yields and unit costs at our Ogden facility and the impact of global fertilizer market dynamics on SOP pricing and volumes. Based on our current outlook, we expect that the plant nutrition segment will generate EBITDA of between $55 and $70 million. I'll now provide some commentary on a few other financial measures that are important to forecast our business. Starting with CapEx, our capital spending forecast of between $175 million and $230 million is divided into two categories, with sustaining CapEx related to salt and plant nutrition of between $100 and $110 million, and growth CapEx of between $75 and $120 million earmarked for lithium development. As a reminder, the net proceeds from the Koch equity contribution were received in mid-October and therefore are not reflected on our 930 balance sheet. However, we intend to use those proceeds to fund the lithium-related CapEx and proceeds from our core operations to fund sustaining CapEx. Over the next three years until late 2025, when we expect phase one of our lithium development to come online, it will be important to distinguish between free cash flow with and without lithium related CapEx to maintain an accurate pulse on the results of our core business. We will assist in that regard by breaking out lithium versus non-lithium CapEx in our reporting. On the topic of lithium, I would also note that lithium related operating expenses are projected to be in the range of 10 to 12 million dollars this year versus 8 million in fiscal 22. While in the short run, these costs compress our profitability, They are essential investments enabling us to execute on an opportunity that we believe represents substantial upside and an exceptional proposition for our stakeholders. Finally, we expect our effective tax rate to be in the range of 30 to 35%, excluding any additional expense related to valuation allowances on deferred tax assets. Now turning to Fortress. In our view, 2023 has the potential to be a breakout year with the company's FR200 and FR100 aerial retardants having the greatest potential to impact results. Given that several catalysts are outside of Fortress' direct control, we've chosen not to assume any financial upside for Fortress in our guidance. Instead, we have forecasted our share of its assumed losses, which are included in the corporate facet of our guidance, will be around $5 million. However, as Kevin mentioned earlier, if the EIS is approved in time for the 23 wildfire season and Fortress is assigned basis, 2023 could be the year that the company starts gaining traction. The key 2023 strategic milestones for Fortress are detailed on slide 10 of our earnings presentation, but at a high level, they include advancing commercialization of FR-600, supporting the EIS process and ensuring operational readiness to deploy FR200 and FR100, and upon EIS approval, securing an initial tranche of air bases. Finally, turning to lithium, in September, we laid out a comprehensive strategic plan detailing our path forward to build an 11,000 metric ton battery-grade lithium carbonate production facility expected to come online in 2025. The related transcript, technical report, presentation, and replay may be found online under the investor relations section of our website. We are excited to have officially shifted from evaluation mode to execution mode. On a strategic journey, we expect to reposition Compass for accelerated growth and reduce weather dependency over time. Over the next several quarters, we expect to accomplish the following strategic milestones, securing additional definitive offtake agreements, together equivalent to at least 80% of the 11,000 metric tons of anticipated phase one battery grade lithium carbonate production capacity, completing an FEL2 level engineering estimate for phase one by March, completing an FEL3 level engineering estimate by June, and achieving mechanical completion of a commercial scale DLE unit by December 23. I'd note that we broke ground on this unit in the middle of November, which was slightly ahead of our plan. Finally, for several years, we have issued two snow reports a year, one in January and one in April. These reports have historically summarized winter weather activity as measured by snow events in 11 representative cities in our primary North America Highway de-icing service area. In fiscal 23, we will no longer issue standalone snow reports as press releases, but we'll continue to provide perspective on snow events during our first and second quarter earnings calls. The snow events data for the 11 cities is readily available and a reasonable indicator of winter weather conditions in these cities. However, as we have shared in the past, several factors make snow events in these cities an imperfect proxy for our actual quarterly sales to commitment levels, which ultimately are what drive sales volumes. For instance, while this data set reflects relatively large cities for which data is readily available, we don't only serve large cities. We typically serve broad swaths of states that include rural areas, metropolitan areas, and everything in between. In addition, certain regions, such as the UK, are important markets for us, but don't have similar public information that allows us to include these regions in our snow report. Other factors that make the snow report an imperfect proxy include winter severity and year-over-year variations in customer inventory levels. Going forward, we look forward to continuing to provide perspective on snow events with our quarterly earnings results rather than on a standalone basis. With that, I will turn it back to the operator to open the lines for Q&A. Operator?
spk11: Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star then one on your telephone keypad. Our first question is from Joel Jackson with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.
spk01: Hi, good morning. This is Alex Chen on for Joel Jackson. Thanks for taking my question. For my first question, it seems like salt margins are expected to improve 400 basis points year over year. Can you maybe provide all the puts and takes to get to this improvement between 15% higher pricing, cost inflation and other components, and maybe what needs to happen to recover the remaining 500 or 600 basis points of margin to get back to 2021 levels?
spk05: Yeah. Hi, good morning. Alex, it's Kevin. I'm not sure that I agree totally with your premise, but let me try to address in the context of the guidance we've given. We experienced about a 15% price increase across our highway de-icing sales for the season. And that's against the backdrop of about, I think, about a 9% reduction in volume on a year-over-year basis. So our view is that gets us back into the two-handle zip code from a margin perspective, EBITDA per ton. and that's also got a fair amount of you know the inflationary effect that we've experienced in 2021 carrying in i mean 2022 carrying into 2023 as well so to the extent that that inflation abates um you know unexpectedly or inconsistent with our our plan because we were pretty conservative you could see that margin expansion replicate our view and kind of where we were in 2021 but look it's a function of the weather out of our control, function of the inflation, semi out of our control. So we're comfortable with the guidance we've given that we're back kind of into that two handle range with, you know, potentially some upside based on how the winter unfolds.
spk14: And I would just add, when the commercial team enters into the bidding season, we're thinking about profit per ton. And your question started with margin. And over the past decade, our average profit per ton has been about $20. And that's what the team has achieved. And so we've restored the profitability to historical levels on a profit for time basis. And that's the way we entered the bid season.
spk07: Appreciate that, Keller. Thank you.
spk01: And for my second question, we've seen diesel prices increase since bid season and river barges are currently challenged. Is there a concern over barge availability this winter? And if you can elaborate on the costs you expect from maybe higher diesel barges issues fiscal 2023, and if we could expect significant increases in barge-related costs for maybe 2024? Sure.
spk02: Thanks, Alex. This is Jamie. Obviously, the Lower Miss experienced low levels pretty much over the last six or eight weeks. But over the last few weeks, we've seen a lot of rain in the Midwest. The levels have come back up. We had some short-term concerns about it, but now it's pretty well normalized. We've got the barge traffic that we need on a covered barge basis. I would also say most of our material is already deployed and has been deployed. We started that work in April, and throughout the summer, we shipped the Upper Miss and then moved down as the season goes along and served the Ohio River. So we don't expect uh any any impact this winter as it relates to rates going forward um you know we basically basically have uh cpi type adjustments in our agreements as well as fuel surcharges so um you know depending on fuel we could see perhaps some uh some relief there in 2023 uh and then as it relates to cpi we we monitor that closely and uh would expect perhaps flat to maybe slightly higher, but, you know, that remains to be seen.
spk07: Thank you for that. And one last question, if I may.
spk01: We, are we correct to assume that implied company-wide fiscal 2023 EBITDA guidance is around 220 to 230 million after adjusting for corporate costs? And maybe you could talk a bit about why only, the segment EBITDA guidance was provided and not company-wide guidance?
spk14: Yes, so thanks for that question. So we've taken a different approach to earnings guidance this year that really reflects the reality that although over a long period of time, this business is stable and delivers profitability and volumes at what I would call the middle of the bell curve when you think about snow days, in any given year, the earnings profile ranges. And so what we've done is provide investors more information than we ever have with respect to the range of potential outcomes in terms of the earnings power of the business. And the way you get to an EBITDA is simply to add the segments and subtract corporate expenses. That's the way we've always done it. But rather than focus on a specific numeric adjusted EBITDA, we're providing a range of potential outcomes. And so in that 2023 range on slide 17, The midpoint is on the order of 220. And on the high side, it approaches, in a strong winter, 270. But our focus is on having a conversation about earnings power as opposed to just a normalized earnings number.
spk08: And so that's the way I'd look at it. Perfect. Thank you so much.
spk11: The next question is from Jeff Sikowskis with JP Morgan. Your line is open. Thanks very much.
spk17: There was a lot of snow in Buffalo recently, and there's been some snow in the Midwest. How's your first quarter looking year over year when you look at November volumes versus history? have things been unusually strong or are they normal or weak?
spk05: Yeah, Jeff, I'll comment. Jamie provides some additional color. I mean, yeah, Buffalo got hammered, I don't know, something on the order of 40 inches. We would prefer 10 four-inch snows as opposed to one 40-inch snow, obviously. But I think we'd say that the season thus far is off to a pretty good start. You know, we're early in, just a couple of months, but, you know, so far, so good. Anything you'd add, Jamie?
spk02: Well, I'd say, yeah, it is certainly early. We do like the flow. We like the order book. We're already refilling some depots. We've seen nice weather, you know, kind of northern Illinois, Wisconsin, western Michigan, which has been great to see that start historically a bit early. It does need to continue. throughout the season, obviously. And then, you know, don't forget about the West. We've seen a lot of snowfall in the Sierras, the Rockies. We do sell rock salt in the West as well out of Ogden. So that bodes well for drought conditions and lake levels there as well on the operations side. So really, really feel pretty good about how we've started the season.
spk17: So can you quantify, do you have any quantification of what's going on?
spk02: No, we feel like we're tracking right in line with our plan. This start feels a little bit ahead, but again, the season is long and a bulk of the activity, winter weather activity for our first quarter, the December quarter, occurs in the month of December. So We're just right at the line there.
spk14: And I would just say it goes back to the whole bell curve. Every month is a statistical data point on that bell curve. So it would be entirely premature to speculate about how the next couple of months are going to transpire. But we're off to a good start.
spk17: in terms of mother nature. I wasn't asking you to speculate. I was just asking you to speak in retrospect in terms of what had happened. So in your commentary on plant nutrition, what did you say about first quarter plant nutrition prices? Did you say that they would be roughly flat versus the fourth quarter or flat versus the first quarter of 2022?
spk14: We said it'd be flat versus the fourth quarter. So the quarter we just reported. Just finished. That's right. Before then moderating throughout the year.
spk17: What was your accounts payable in the quarter?
spk08: And what's your cash tax rate for next year? In terms of cash taxes, I think a number in the 25,
spk14: 20 to 25% range is a good number to use. As far as our accounts payables for at the end of the year? Yeah. I don't have that number at my fingertip. We'll follow up with you on that.
spk17: Okay. And then lastly, you talked about prioritizing sort of value over volume in SALT. What does that really mean? Does it mean that you don't want to ship unprofitable tons, or there are profitable tons that you do want to ship, but there are profitable tons that you don't want to capture because the margin you find insufficient? Can you explain what the value over volume approach means?
spk05: Yeah, our focus this year, Jeff, was to, we felt like there was value in the marketplace And we wanted to try to optimize slash maximize that value, which we think we did across the board. And the other thing we did was we moved some of our business to more logical areas where we have geographical competitive advantages relative to some of the more difficult areas to get to, certain parts of Illinois, Pennsylvania, for example. So we think... We optimized our book with a focus on the restoration of more historical margins, something with a two handle on it. And I think the team did a good job. And this is a two, three year journey as well. So this is year one of that recapture. So that's how I would define value over volume. OK, great.
spk17: Thank you so much.
spk08: Thank you. And Jeff, the accounts payable is at the end of the year was on the order of $115 million.
spk11: The next question is from David Silver with CL King. Your line is open.
spk10: Yeah. Hi. Good morning. I had a couple of clarification questions first, and then I hope that I had a couple questions about the lithium project. But earlier in the Q&A, I think Lauren might have mentioned a $220 million kind of base case, midpoint kind of target for your fiscal year 23 adjusted EBITDA. And I'm just wondering if we should make some adjustments to that that would move the number a little higher. In particular, I was thinking of stock-based compensation. for starters, but is that 220 number the midpoint of the base case assumptions and whatnot, or are there some adjustments that we need to make in addition to that?
spk14: Sure. So I wouldn't suggest any adjustments related to stock-based comp. But as you think about the earnings power of our business, we restored SALT to where it is. And if you want to think about earnings power, I would underscore that there's roughly $20 million of expense embedded in that $220 million number related to lithium and fortress, which are investments that we're making that we fully expect to engender returns to investors. But at the moment, there's about a $20 million drag on that 220 related to those two businesses. Our plant nutrition business has averaged kind of in the mid-70s of EBITDA over the past decade. And we're projecting it to be about in that sort of low 60 mark. And so from an earnings power perspective, those are the kind of things I would think about. And then I would think about Fortress. When we think about fortress and earnings power, as we said on the last earnings call, this is about a $300 million addressable market. And if you look at the monopoly that is currently in play, and you look at those margins, it's about a $90 million profit pool that's implied. And so as we get market share in that business, that would add to that earnings power. So those are the kind of things I would think about from a long-term perspective.
spk10: Okay, thank you for that and then just one other thing. It's been a few quarters, but we haven't really had an update on the major upgrading program at Goderich. And as you think about fiscal year 23, I mean, could you just maybe update us on how things are going on underground there and whether there is, you know, a meaningful improvement in, you know, the underground mining efficiency, let's say fiscal year 23 versus fiscal year 22. Thank you.
spk05: Yeah, David, I mean, I would just say, and George is in here and he can add color, but, you know, we continue to advance the new mine plan. And as we've discussed on a number of occasions before, the first step in that is creating these new permanent long-term 50-year roadways that connect the existing shaft system with the mine works out in the West. And those are kind of on the order of about 50% complete. So that's the first step in a long series of steps to reposition the mine. And then George and his team are also developing the West to set these rooms up as we've described before to you know maintain quality and good mining conditions and that sort of thing so we're you know we're we continue to progress you know it's a it's a it's a plan that we're implementing it'll take a number of a number of years but i would say that the uh the progress is on track would you want to add anything to that yeah uh yeah maybe just a little bit there and thanks david george schuler uh you know i think as kevin highlighted you know
spk04: Godrich has continued to be on track and continue to meet and exceed expectations, starting with safety in our growth there as far as our new mains development and the existing asset, the existing parts of the mine that we have. So, you know, at this stage, I'd say we're, you know, on track, maybe slightly ahead of being on track for that. I think when Kevin laid this out a couple years ago, started, said it was, you know, probably a four- to five-year journey for us to get there. So we're tracking extremely well there. And again, really no negatives. Expect to see that progress in the next, I'll call it two, two and a half years. That's it.
spk10: Okay, great. I have a couple of questions on the lithium project. I'll ask them both here. Firstly, regarding the binding agreement with LG. Congratulations on that. I do recall there was another party, Ford Motor, that signed the preliminary MOU. Should we be expecting something similar from Ford Motor regarding a binding agreement? Would that be the main piece of the puzzle to get to that 80%? target, I guess, of committed sales from the phase one production that I believe was mentioned in your earlier remarks. So that'd be one question. Second question would be about the Koch Industries investment. And I'm just wondering, does their investment come with any future optionality? So in other words, Might they have a right of first refusal if, you know, you were to pursue additional investment down the road? Or does their purchase price, should they choose to make further investments, is their purchase price capped? Or, you know, any other optionality regarding the Koch investment that we should keep in mind as, you know, this project progresses over the next several years? Thank you.
spk05: We'll hit those questions in reverse, David. What you see is what you get with the Koch investment. They made an investment in the company, $252 million, which resulted in an ownership stake on the order of 17.5% or so. So they're a large investor. We actually think of them as a partner. They bring a lot of with lithium and their OPD group, but also, you know, the big bulk commodities mover, we think there could be synergies with overlaps in transportation, procurement, bulk commodity types of things. So we view them as a partnership and there's no more to the partnership than meets the eye, no hidden first rights of reviews or anything like that. And then with respect to Ford,
spk16: i'll let ryan add color but you know we continue to progress the agreement with with uh with uh ford and we'll just we'll just see how it goes anything you want to add to that right yeah david this is ryan i would just say that um you know lg early on has proven to be a very collaborative partner and we're excited for the deal that that we put down with them we do continue to progress discussions with ford as well as with other potential customers to get to that 80% of phase one volume. So as we have updates for that, we'll provide them.
spk10: Okay, great.
spk11: Thank you very much.
spk08: Thank you, David.
spk11: The next question is from David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
spk09: Thank you. Good morning. Kevin, looking at slide 12, congrats on the DLE breaking ground. What's the limiting factor in perhaps pulling forward the lithium carbonate conversion facility to an earlier start date here.
spk08: Did you hear that, Chris? Yeah, I did.
spk13: I'll let Chris answer that. Yeah, so thank you again for recognizing that we did break ground earlier this month with regards to our DLE commercial unit that we're looking to for verification of scalability. As far as pulling the project forward, what we're really doing is we're moving forward on proving out scalability of DLE with our 400 GPM unit, which we anticipate to be mechanical completion by the end of 2023. During that time, we're also progressing with our FDL2 on the entire east side. We expect that to be complete at the end of March next year. And the FDL three aspects we expect to be complete by the end of June next year. That really allows us to start some of the earlier groundwork we'd have to do with regards to the overall east side. In addition, what we're going to get out of that is looking at equipment that we'd have to buy for the conversion facility that may be long leave. So we're looking at a multitude of different angles of how we kind of crash schedule and accelerate that. But currently, the schedule that we have with regards to being operational in 2025 remains our realistic schedule.
spk09: Understood. And just on DLE, once the commercial, once it's mechanically complete in late 23, what's the process to validate the technology during 24? What are the steps you'll be doing during that year to validate that it actually does work?
spk13: So during, once we've finished mechanical completion, we'll go into commissioning and startup. What we really want to do is go back to look at our results with regards to what we accomplished in the previous pilot programs. Then we'll look at that with regards to what we anticipate coming out from a feed type ratio that we talked about in September. We talked about how we basically increase our lithium and reject the magnesium. And then we have a certain magnesium content and lithium yield that we expect coming out of DLE. That's the verification that we'll be looking for, as long, as well as operability and kind of mechanical design aspects of it that we can improve as we go into the overall field.
spk16: Yeah, maybe, this is Ryan. I'll just add on to what Chris said there. We'll have a very specific DOE or design of experiments that would mimic what we've done with the other, pilot plants that have proven to scale ESM's ILLiad technology. And what we're looking for is really the ability to match what we've seen with those other scales. We remain highly confident that we'll be able to do that with this full-scale commercial unit, and we're excited to get it up and running.
spk09: Great. If I can ask one more question, just maybe, Loren, on shipping and handling costs. What should we expect for 2023? Have you seen any relief at all in some of these salt shipping and handling cost metrics?
spk14: Yeah, I think for the full year, a number around, say, $30 is a good number to use. And we've, through our commercial team's success in the bidding process, been able to capture our best estimate of what those costs are going to be. To the extent that we see continued inflation, we'll run the same playbook that we ran last year. which is to raise prices on our C&I businesses as we are able to and to recoup any inflation as we've proven that we can do through next year's bidding season. We are also, from a fuel perspective, exploring a hedging program that would allow us to mute the impact on some fraction of our fuel cost.
spk02: Jamie? Yeah, I would just, just to clarify, you think about the full year you know maybe approaching that 30 range for salt we're talking specifically and then it would be a little more front end loaded so they'll be a bit higher in our first and second quarters and then it should be kind of taper off as we get into the second half of the year as for plant nutrition you know most of that material moves via rail uh rates uh and and uh volumes are down so unit costs are up there is a fixed component of shipping and handling in our plant nutrition business. So you would expect to see higher shipping and handling in the plant nutrition business.
spk08: Thank you very much.
spk11: Again, that's Star 1. If you'd like to ask a question, the next question is from Chris Shaw with Monash Crespi. Your line is open.
spk15: Yeah, good morning, everyone. How are you doing?
spk11: Hey, Chris.
spk15: A couple of clarification questions. I guess just following up the same sort of topic from the last question. The guidance for the SALT segment on the cost side, I just wanted to make sure. Are you sort of assuming the same cost from 22? Does that include the fuel surcharges as well? And are those fuel surcharges still in place with your suppliers?
spk14: Nothing's changed in terms of the contract architecture, in terms of the field surcharges. When we enter into the bidding season, we are assuming that nothing changes. And so, nothing's changed there. And so, as I said earlier, for the SALT business, you're looking at something like $30 for the full year for logistics, and maybe something more like $40 for cash costs. Is there more to your question?
spk15: Yeah, thank you. And then the coke mining relationship, I know you were just talking about it before, but has anything been figured out yet in terms of, is there any savings for 23 in terms of logistics or anything, or is that going to take a while for them to get more involved? Yeah, coke centered.
spk02: I'll take that one, Kevin, if you want. Yeah, so we are currently in the process of going through all the opportunities. The key opportunities would reside in logistics, transportation overlap, kind of partnering on big contracts, big transportation contracts. On the procurement side, as it relates to some inputs around bags and pallets, we see some real opportunity there. And then across our footprint of our depots, they have terminals. We have depots that are operated by terminal operators. and we're looking at optimization there to generate some value. So those are the key areas, but we're just not ready to quantify anything yet, but the discussions are going well. Got it.
spk15: And then just a quick one on the fourth quarter highway salt volume. They seemed pretty strong. I was just wondering, was that pre-buying for this season, or were there a bunch of customers maybe taking advantage of the lower pricing from last year's contracts?
spk02: Yeah, there's a couple of things going on there. We were still delivering into some of last year's contracts. So you saw a little bit of incremental volume related to kind of the Illinois, Indiana area, to be clear, that actually they end up being pre-filled because those tons don't end up getting rebid, as well as kind of a strategic decision to pull some direct barge and vessel shipments forward instead of trying to sell them in season, getting some of our certain commercial customers to take them a little bit earlier. So we had some volume shift into the September quarter as well. So those are the main drivers there.
spk08: Got it. Thanks a lot. The next question is from Seth Goldstein with Morningstar.
spk11: Your line is open.
spk03: Hi. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask, first of all, I really appreciate the winter weather range guidance. That's extremely helpful. So thank you for that. But looking at the four scenarios, I noticed that EBITDA per ton was basically flat in the strong winter scenario versus the upper end of guidance. Is there any sort of operating leverage that would be occurring from the strong winter weather? Or how do you think about that?
spk14: If you look at the midpoint of the 2023 range on that slide, and I'll let George elaborate, it implies about $20 a metric ton of EBITDA. And you do see a dollar increase in the strong winter. So you do see some benefit from absorption in a strong scenario. But George, maybe you can elaborate on the dynamics that drive perhaps even greater profitability Extremely strong winter.
spk04: Yeah, I mean, look, just, you know, if I was just going to, you know, pick certain operations, I mean, things that drive that are, I think you've heard Kevin say this in some of the previous earnings calls, our flexibility to flex up is substantial in our operations, specifically a place like Godrich Mine. So with a strong winter, we have flexibility to go up several hundred thousand tons. very effectively in a short period of time without adding labor, without additional equipment. That is very beneficial to us. In the milder winter, I'll call it, we also have the availability to flex down based on what we might do with some of our labor practices, maintenance practices, and those types of things that allow us to kind of fit into that range.
spk05: Hey, Seth, one other point of just color for you as you think about a strong winter. One of the reasons we don't have immediate leverages by virtue of our our contract structure which is you know the customer has a 20 call option on anything over 100 so our price stays flat through 120 and that's beyond 120 is when we would begin to experience you know spot market conditions where that were that to occur as Lauren said and George, fixed cost absorption.
spk08: So hopefully that makes some sense.
spk03: That does. That's really helpful. Thank you. And then my other question is on plant nutrition. Can you walk through how should we think about the percent of production coming from the ponds versus MOP conversion? And how do you expect this to evolve in the future?
spk04: Yeah, look, I'll go ahead and jump on that one, Seth. This is George. Again, I think maybe starting with that pond-based versus, you know, what's actually coming from, you know, KCL or MOP, that is something that we've undertaken for a period of time now for, I'd say, the last six to eight months. What we're trying to do is to actually pick the, actually look at the asset that we have and trying to look at what the sustainable tons will be coming out of that pond. There's no question that the impacts of the drought over the last couple of years have had a impact on our pond-based tons. But again, as long as it's economically viable, KCL will be added to achieve more, I'll call it, what I would call more historical-type numbers coming out of the Algon facility.
spk02: And as it relates to 2023, it's probably, it's less than 10% of the production would be expected to come from ACL.
spk07: Thanks, Jim. Okay, that's really helpful. Thanks for taking my question.
spk11: Thank you, Seth. We have no further questions at this time. I'll turn it over to Kevin Crushfield for any closing comments.
spk05: We appreciate everybody joining our call today and look forward to keeping you updated in the coming quarters. Thank you.
spk11: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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