4/30/2025

speaker
Lateef
Conference Call Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to ConMed's first quarter fiscal 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1-1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Before the conference call begins, let me remind you that during this call, management will be making comments and statements regarding its financial outlook, its plans and objectives. These statements represent the forward-looking statements that involve risk and uncertainties as those terms are defined under the federal securities law. Investors are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future events, performance, or results. The company's actual results may differ materially from its current expectations. Please refer to the risk and other uncertainties disclosed under the forward-looking information in today's press release, as well as the company's SEC filings for more details on the risk and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. The company disclaims any obligation to update any forward-looking statements that may be discussed during this call, except as may be required by applicable law. You will also hear management refer to non-GAAP or adjusted measurements during this discussion. While these figures are not a substitute for GAAP measurements, management uses these figures to aid in monitoring the company's ongoing financial performance from quarter to quarter and year to year on a regular basis and for benchmarking against other medical technology companies. Adjusted net income and adjusted earnings per share measure the income of the company excluding credits or charges that are considered by the company to be special or outside of its normal ongoing operation. These adjusting items are specified in the reconciliation supporting the company's earnings releases posted to the company's website. With these required announcements completed, I will turn the call over to Pat Beyer, President and Chief Executive Officer for opening remarks. Mr. Beyer.

speaker
Pat Beyer
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Lateef. And those attending, I want to thank you for the staying on. We had a little technical issue and we had to log off and come back on. I want to thank you for joining us, good afternoon, and thank you for joining us for ConMed's first quarter 2025 earnings call. With me on the call is Todd Gardner, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. I'll provide a brief overview of the financial and operating performance for the first quarter. Todd will then provide a more detailed analysis of our financial performance and guidance, as well as our updated view on the impact of tariffs. We will then open the call to your questions. I'll start by quickly reviewing our first quarter results. Total sales for the quarter were $321.3 million, representing a year-over-year increase of 2.9% as reported and 3.8% in constant currency, a little better than our guidance. While we have more work left to do with our supply chain initiatives, we are pleased that we are starting the year consistent with our full year growth expectations. From an earnings perspective, excluding special items that affected comparability, our adjusted net income of 29.6 million increased 19.6% year-over-year, and our adjusted diluted net earnings per share of 95 cents increased 20.1% year-over-year. First quarter sales growth was balanced across our segments with constant currency sales growth of 3.9% in orthopedics and 3.8% in general surgery. Performance in orthopedics was led by double-digit sales growth in our foot and ankle products, as well as strong demand for BioBrace. We're excited about the outlook for BioBrace, our highly differentiated product for soft tissue repair and sports medicine. BioBrace is being used clinically in over 50 procedures from the rotator cuff to the ACL and into the Achilles. We have 14 peer-reviewed publications already in print and we have nine clinical studies underway. We have a large randomized prospective clinical study with 268 patients and we look to have this study enrollment completed in 2026 with publication in 2027. Also on the good news front, in early April, we received FDA clearance for our new delivery device for a biobrace and rotator cuff repair. We believe this will make the procedure easier and faster for surgeons. General surgery continues to be led by air seal and smoke evacuation, both seeing double-digit demand in quarter one. We continue to believe in the importance of clinical insufflation provided by air seal and robotic surgery and laparoscopy which is particularly important for longer and more complex procedures. Physicians are continuing to choose AirSeal to prioritize patient care as AirSeal has been clinically proven to reduce both length of stay and post-operative pain for patients. We are working on a way to help investors understand the AirSeal attachment rate to DV5 compared to XI and compared to non-robotic procedures. There are multiple uses within the hospital, and there is no practical method to determine where a product is used after the sale. The hospital could be using the capital or the disposables in all three modalities, which ties to the broad clinical benefit in both laparoscopy and robotic surgery. We do, though, sell one SKU that is only used in conjunction with robotic procedures, and that SKU grew in the healthy double digits in quarter one. Turning to our supply chain initiatives, we have made progress here. A number of SKUs on backorder are declining. We're seeing early progress, but we are not where we need to be yet. We continue to believe we should be in a better position by the end of the year. I'm excited about our long-term future. We have a significant tailwind from Mix at our back with strong growth drivers and the opportunity to turn our supply chain operations into an area of strength for the company is well within our control. Of course, we would acknowledge that the near-term macroeconomic and policy backdrop creates some uncertainty for our customers. However, demand for our products remains strong. We think this is a function of the healthy end markets in which we operate and our clinically differentiated products. We are closely tracking the spending pattern of our customers, but have not seen any material changes to date as hospitals systems appear to be prioritizing areas that are key to our business, including our high growth focus areas of minimally invasive surgery and the areas of laparoscopy and arthroscopy, which tend to not be as reliant on large capital purchases. Within these two categories, we have four very unique platforms that are still in the early stages of their growth trajectories. These four platforms are surrounded by a portfolio of products that have been developed hand-in-hand with physicians over time with the goal of supporting ease of use and improved patient outcomes. I'm excited about the opportunities that lie ahead for this portfolio, particularly AirSeal, Buffalo Filter, BioBrace, and Convent Foot & Ankle, especially as we begin to see the effects of the improvements to our supply chain operations over the coming quarters. With that, I'll turn the call over to Todd, who will provide a more detailed analysis of our financial performance and discuss our 2025 financial guidance, as well as quantifying our latest thinking on tariffs. Todd?

speaker
Todd Gardner
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Pat. All sales growth numbers I referenced today will be given in constant currency. The reconciliation to gap numbers is included in our press release. As usual, we have included an investor deck on our website that summarizes the results of the quarter and our financial guidance. As a reminder, we had one less sales day in Q1 compared to the prior year, which we estimate to be worth between 100 and 150 basis points of growth. For the first quarter of 2025, our total sales increased 3.8% year over year. For Q1, our sales in the U.S. increased 4.2% versus the prior year quarter, and our international sales grew 3.4%. Total worldwide orthopedic sales grew 3.9% in the first quarter. In the U.S., orthopedic sales decreased 2.1%, and internationally, orthopedic sales increased 7.9%. While supply challenges in parts of our orthopedics business drove the underperformance in the U.S., we were pleased to see another quarter of double-digit growth in foot and ankle. Total worldwide general surgery sales increased 3.8% in the quarter. U.S. general surgery sales grew 6.9%, while internationally, general surgery sales decreased 3.3%. The decline internationally was due to our energy and critical care product lines. Now let's move to the expense side of the income statement. We will discuss expenses and profitability in the first quarter, excluding special items which are detailed in our press release. Adjusted gross margin for the first quarter was 56.4%, which is 80 basis points higher than the prior year quarter. This was a little stronger than we expected given the mix of the sales in Q1. We're encouraged by the opportunities to improve the supply chain operations that are being identified in conjunction with our external consultants, and we expect at least $20 million of annual savings to come out of this effort. However, those benefits won't really materialize until calendar 2026, as our manufacturing variances are deferred into inventory and get recognized as that inventory is sold. We now have increased visibility into how margins could play out for the rest of the year. We expect margins in Q2 to be in the mid 56% range, Q3 in the mid 55s, and Q4 approaching 57%. That all adds up to margins being relatively flat versus 2024 for the full year, consistent with what we estimated at the beginning of the year. The currency impact has improved by about 20 basis points in the last three months, but the timing of the savings from the operational improvements are a little slower to materialize than anticipated. Research and development expense for the first quarter was 4.0% of sales, 40 basis points lower than the prior year quarter. First quarter adjusted SG&A expenses were 38.7% of sales consistent with the prior year as expected. On an adjusted basis, interest expense was $6.8 million in the first quarter. The adjusted effective tax rate in Q1 was 23.1%. First quarter GAAP net income was $6.0 million compared to $19.7 million in 2024. GAAP earnings per diluted share were 19 cents this quarter compared to 63 cents a year ago. Excluding the impact of special items discussed earlier, in the first quarter we reported adjusted net income of $29.6 million. an increase of 19.6% compared to the first quarter of 2024. Our Q1 adjusted diluted net earnings per share were 95 cents, an increase of 20.1% compared to the prior year quarter. Turning to the balance sheet, our cash balance at March 31st was $35.5 million compared to $24.5 million at December 31. Accounts receivable days as of March 31st were 62 days, no change from the end of 2024. Inventory days at March 31 were 222 compared to 211 at December 31st as we go through the process of improving the supply chain. Long-term debt at the end of the quarter was $891.4 million versus $905.1 million as of December 31st. Our leverage ratio on March 31st was 3.2 times, which was a little better than expected. Cash flow provided from operations in the quarter was $41.5 million compared to $29.1 million in the first quarter of 2024. Our cash flow remains very strong. Capital expenditures in the first quarter were $3.8 million compared to $2.0 million a year ago. Now let's turn to financial guidance. I'm going to talk about guidance without tariffs first and then detail how we're estimating the tariff impact. So you can have both pieces as we expect the environment may continue to be dynamic. So excluding tariffs for now, let's start with revenue. While Q1 came in a little better than we expected, it does not change our view of the constant currency growth for the year. So we continue to expect the year to be between 4% and 6% constant currency growth. Our projected FX impact did ease by about 50 basis points for the year. going from what had been a headwind of 100 to 120 basis points to a headwind of 50 to 70 basis points. That takes our full year guidance up from a range of 1.344 billion to 1.372 billion to a slightly higher range of 1.35 billion to 1.378 billion. We expect reported revenue in Q2 to be between 335 million and $340 million. Our adjusted EPS guidance excluding tariffs for the full year is increasing from a prior range of 425 to 440 to a new higher range of 445 to 460. That reflects the beat in Q1 as well as an improvement in FX of about 5 cents on the year. We started the year with an estimate of currency headwind of approximately 15 to 20 cents We now expect that headwind to be between 10 and 15 cents. We expect Q2 adjusted EPS to be between $1.10 and $1.15. Now let's talk about tariffs. The good news since our last call is that it has become clear that product coming from our plant in Mexico will be exempt from tariffs as we are USMCA compliant. Our disclosure today is based on a 145% tariff on products coming from China, 25% from Canada, and 10% on products from Europe and the rest of the world. Using those percentages, we estimate approximately $5.5 million of supply chain exposure in 2025. 85% of that is from China, 12% is from Europe. This computes to approximately 14 cents of EPS with 2 cents hitting Q3 and 12 cents hitting Q4. We have added a slide in our investor deck that shows our adjusted EPS guidance without tariffs and then with this estimate of tariff exposure. So in a very dynamic environment, we started the year consistent with our revenue guidance and delivering better on the bottom line. We remain focused on the operational improvements we need to move fully on offense in all parts of our business. With that, we'd like to open the call to your questions, and I'll hand it back to Lateef.

speaker
Lateef
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 1-1 on your telephone. To remove yourself from the queue, you may press star 1-1 again. You will be limited to one question and one follow-up. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Matt O'Brien of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead, Matt.

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Phil (on behalf of Matt O'Brien)
Piper Sandler Analyst

Hey, thanks for taking our questions. This is Phil on for Matt. Um, starting with guidance, it looks like you beat this quarter by, you know, just over 7 million versus the street and you're raising full your guidance by less than that, especially if you factor in that improvement on the FX side of things. Can you help us understand the shifting perspective on the remaining three quarters as it relates to the top line? You know, any softness that you're seeing in, in hospital, you know, budgets, that sort of thing. Thank you.

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Todd Gardner
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. Thanks for the question, Phil. No softness that we're worried about. We guided the year to be four to six constant currency. If you do days adjusted, we're right in the middle of that range, maybe a little better than the middle of that range for Q1. So that's where we expect the year to be. We're not going to get ahead of ourselves after Q1 and change how we see the year. That was the thought and guidance we did. So basically, we took the year up for the currency improvement, and that's it. We left the operational the same.

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Phil (on behalf of Matt O'Brien)
Piper Sandler Analyst

That's helpful. And then, you know, one final one for Patrick, really just trying to get a good state of the union at this point, understanding you've only been CEO for a short while, but what has surprised you, you know, maybe both good and bad at this point? Thank you so much.

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Pat Beyer
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, and fair question. You know, on the bad side, quite honestly, I've been here 10 years before I took over the CEO job, and nothing has surprised me on the bad side. On the good side, I've been a continual positive passion from the ConMed team. I've been really pleased and astounded by the commitment to delivering on world-class products and clinical solutions. And I've spent a fair amount of time with customers in quarter one, and the embracing that they have on our technology has been really pleasing. And so that's probably been the most positive surprise, the passion from the team and the passion from the customers we serve.

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Unknown
Unidentified Participant

Thank you.

speaker
Lateef
Conference Call Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Robbie Marcus of JPMorgan. Your line is open, Robbie.

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Robbie Marcus
JPMorgan Analyst

Oh, great. Thanks for taking the questions, and congrats on a good quarter here. Two for me. Todd, first on tariffs, hard to avoid it here. Hopefully you could help us reconcile the math you gave us from last call and this call. I think China was something like $250,000 a month impact at a 10%. tariff rate. To me, it would be a little more than the implied annualized rate here than you're coming up with at 145. Part of the tariff question, help us understand some of the mitigation efforts you can start to put into place because it's not so much the two cents in third quarter, it's the 12 cents in fourth quarter that annualizes into next year and how we should think about any offsets you can put into place and the run rate into next year. Thanks.

speaker
Todd Gardner
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Sure. Thanks, Robbie. Yeah, of course, the great news from the last call is that the lion's share of the numbers we talked about last time were from Mexico, and that has turned into, does not look like it should be an issue for us at all. So we're left with the China number, and as you say, the rates are much higher, but it's also become clearer on how that will flow through, right? that will flow through with our inventory. So while the rates are higher, less of it will hit 2025 than previously estimated. So we'll have to see where that lands. Pretty good news out of China last week with China saying that they intend to exempt medical devices, products into China. So hopefully there's more rational conversations that happen going forward. But So our new updated numbers for 2025 are as I showed them today. And then mitigation efforts. The first thing is we can pretty quickly stop the practice of shipping everything into the US and then out to the world from our Atlanta distribution center. So the first and easiest thing is kind of the logistics of shipping products around the world. We can avoid the U.S. for the products that don't need to come to the U.S., so that's the quickest and easiest. There's also, you know, obviously price mitigation that you can consider. If we're in the same boat as everybody else in a certain country, that gets easier. If for some reason Convent is an outlier, that gets harder, of course. When you talk about changing vendors or changing where you make something, I think everybody on the call should understand in a regulated industry under the FDA, none of that happens really quickly. And of course, that can affect labeling changes and multiple other things. And so those would be slower, but still mitigations available to us. And then the last thing I would say is kind of accounting and transfer price approaches. the construct of how things are done were based on previous rules and previous conventions and market rates. And once we have a stable set of ground rules going forward, you could re-look at how some of that is recorded and tracked and reported. And so, you know, that's kind of the list of things we're looking at to mitigate tariff exposure.

speaker
Lateef
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Rick Wise of Stifel. Your question, please, Rick.

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Rick Wise
Stifel Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon, Pat. Hi, Todd. Maybe you could expand a little more on your supply chain improvement initiatives I think, Todd, you or Pat said you expect further improvement coming quarters. Maybe help us understand maybe in a little more detail, where are you? What's happening? What kind of impact? Where will we see it? And maybe, in particular, update us on where things stand with BioRest.

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Pat Beyer
President and Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Rick. Thanks for the question. So if we think about the supply chain, I want you to think about a couple of things. First of all, we're improving our supply chain for stability and for continuity going forward and the ability to grow this business sequentially in the future. There's really three areas we're focused on right now. Number one, It's the procurement and the supply and that relationship with our suppliers. Number two, it's the planning of that production and number three, it's to production and those three things dynamically connect. And that's our focus today. And it's just not as robust as we would like it to be. A lot of work is going on in that we've announced and we've, we've told the outside world we're working with a first class. consulting company to help us on that. We've made progress. Our focus in the early days is our implant products to help surgeons get back and using our implants for procedures that they want to use in it. We've made good progress there. A number of our key portfolios are actually off a back order and we're able to go on offense on those in quarter one, which is great news there. And Rick, what was the other question you had there? Yeah, we had a really good quarter. And I alluded to it in my script there. We passed the 51 mark in clinical procedures. We're up to 52 now. We had our application device for rotator cuff repair, got 510K approved. in early April, which is a significant move for us. We believe that will make the procedure easier and more predictable for the surgeons. And early feedback has been really good. We've been in procedures already. And our prospective randomized clinical study with 268 patients continues to advance, and we're over the halfway mark on enrollment.

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Unknown
Unidentified Participant

So we feel really good about vibrates, Rick.

speaker
Lateef
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Yong Lee of Jefferies. Please go ahead, Yong.

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Yong Lee
Jefferies Analyst

Very great. Thanks for taking our questions. I guess maybe to start with Pat, you know, I think on the last call you mentioned doing a deep dive of the portfolio for like the next decade. You know, where are you with that process? When can we hear more about the potential changes you'll implement with the portfolio? And can you share any of the early findings so far? Understanding you probably got distracted with the tariff stuff.

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Pat Beyer
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Young, thanks for the question. So I'm four months into CEO role. First four months, I'm spending an incredible amount of time with three constituents. Number one are shareholders. have had spent good time at analyst meetings with shareholders talking to them about ConMed. Number two, a lot of time with team ConMed employees, both from the factory floor to our sales forces, to our marketing people, understanding who we are and who we should be. And number three, maybe most importantly, customers. And I've spent time in quarter one in the operating room talking to customers, understanding why they use us and what they'd like to use from us. And what I can tell you is our four growth drivers are strong. BioBrace, Foot & Ankle, Air Seal, and Smoke. Those portfolios around those we're continuing to dive into and look at what should they be. It's early days on that. I expect to spend more time on that. What I'm pleased with is our growth drivers have durability there. And I've been really pleased to see what the internal teams are driving around those. and what our customers think of them.

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Yong Lee
Jefferies Analyst

Yeah, great. Very helpful. And then I guess for the follow-up, wanted to ask a little bit about capital trends at AirSeal. Looks like capital's down 5% in the quarter, U.S. down 10. Wondering if you can maybe put that number, those numbers in context for us. You know, how much of that's driven by AirSeal? And now that there's around 500 DB5s in the US and 5% of the overall installed base worldwide, I guess I'm just kind of wondering, are you seeing any differences in terms of utilization or ordering patterns for DB5 accounts versus non-DB5 accounts?

speaker
Pat Beyer
President and Chief Executive Officer

Why don't I take the Airfield one and Todd will take the capital piece. On the Airfield side, you're right. Intuitive release theories a week ago, 505 total units in the market, 146 increase. Our attachment rate, and when I say attachment rate, I mean the air seals that are operating on the DV5s continue to be there. It's still early days and we can't be definitive about a percentage, but we still have DV5 units going in the field where surgeons are saying, I have a complicated procedures. And I want to use air seal and clinical insufflation. So from a percentage of application, we don't know right now, but we are seeing continued adoption. And the other thing I would call out is we have one SKU that is only used on da Vinci robots. And that at that skew grew double digits in quarter one.

speaker
Todd Gardner
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, on the capital side, you know, young from our perspective, there's no real change in in the customer's appetite. I'll remind everybody that our capital is on the low end of capital expenditures that hospitals deal with. There is a little noise in the comps. The Q1 specifically in the US was double digits last year. So there might be a little noise in the comp, but we don't really see any flags or alarms on capital demand for our types of products.

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Unknown
Unidentified Participant

Thank you.

speaker
Lateef
Conference Call Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Travis Steed of Bank of America. Please go ahead, Travis.

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Travis Steed
Bank of America Analyst

Hey, thanks for taking the question. Todd, I wanted to follow up on the tariff and kind of tie it together to let you disclose last quarter. I think last quarter you gave us some helpful numbers on China. So like if you think about the 35% tariff rate, I think it was $875,000 per month. which is like 10 and a half million dollars annually. And if you take that to the new rate, um, you know, it's 170% incremental because you weren't paying the original tariff underlying rate. And that gets to me to around $50 million on an incremental basis for the China tariff. Just want to make sure that math is correct. And if anything's kind of changed with the math you gave on, on the last earnings call, as it relates to China,

speaker
Todd Gardner
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, I think we spent 90 days, so it's a more specific product by product analysis now. And like I said before, the timing of when that hits, right? So the tariffs that you pay in Q1, for example, and we did pay some tariffs in Q1, those will show up in the P&L in Q3 because that expense travels with inventory. If you want to, you know, I think it's too early to talk about 2026 and annual impact there. I haven't heard any of our peers really do that. But we gave it to you quarter by quarter. You know, I told you two cents in Q3 and 12 cents in Q4 for the purpose of, you know, you can see that obviously Q4 would be closer to the run rate than Q3.

speaker
Travis Steed
Bank of America Analyst

Okay. Is that 12 cents?

speaker
Todd Gardner
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

in q4 the actual run rate or is the run rate kind of higher than that i'm not sure how much the inventory returns are are helping q4 as an offset yeah i mean um obviously there'll be mitigation uh steps that you could do and you know there could also be growth and so we're not going to get into 2026 numbers today but um but that's the that's the impact for 2025 and i think it gives you decent visibility into what the run rate would look like and you know hopefully very soon. We're not at the 145% number anymore either, but we'll see how that all plays out.

speaker
Travis Steed
Bank of America Analyst

Right. Okay. Thanks a lot.

speaker
Lateef
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mike Matlin of Needham. Your line is open, Mike.

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Mike Matlin
Needham Analyst

Yeah, thanks. I was just wondering if you could give us any sense of what you think the company's top-line growth potential is once you get past the supply chain issues completely. I mean, I know in the past you talked about kind of very high single digit organic growth driven by, you know, kind of the 30% plus of these, the four platforms you mentioned growing, you know, 20% plus maybe like low to mid single digit growth in the rest of the business. You know, looking at the slides and hearing your commentary, it sounds like maybe there's, four growth drivers are, you know, you're talking about double digits, so maybe the right way to look at that is more like 10% growth of those and low to mid single digits in the rest of the business. But I don't know if you can comment on that at all.

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Pat Beyer
President and Chief Executive Officer

Mike, yeah, good question. Again, so we've guided this year four to six, and we're on track for that. I've talked about our four growth drivers that are double digit growers, and we feel good about we are operating in big markets growing fast. So we think our markets are growing mid high single digits. And so, you know, if I, as I think about this business, it's a four to 9% grower there on the top line. And obviously we're looking for more growth drivers and how we can drive that harder. But I think that balance mix with four growth drivers, double digits and the rest of the portfolio, I think four to 9% is in that range.

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Mike Matlin
Needham Analyst

Yeah. Okay. I mean, are the supply chain issues kind of keeping you at the lower end of the range, and maybe you could get toward the higher end of that range without the supply chain issues? I don't know if you're able to quantify the impact this year at all from that. I mean, how many points of growth is that taking away?

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Pat Beyer
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, we can't quantify it today, but I think you're right there. I mean, we want to win in our markets, and we believe that's taking markets here. And winning is more in the 7% and 8% and 9% range, not 4%, 5%, and 6%. That's what we should be doing, and that's what we're driving for.

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Mike Matlin
Needham Analyst

Okay, got it. And then just a question for Todd. The currency benefit that's pushing up your EPS guidance, where will that show up in the P&L? Is it in gross margin, OPEX, or kind of spread between them?

speaker
Todd Gardner
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, it is spread through the P&L, Mike. As I said, gross margin, you know, we started a quarter ago. I said there's about 50 basis points of headwind in gross margin. That's gone down 20. So now, you know, still headwind, but closer to 30 than 50. And so, yeah, the FX impact is in both gross margin and the operating expenses.

speaker
Lateef
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference back to Pat Beyer for closing remarks. Sir?

speaker
Pat Beyer
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Lateef. I want to thank everybody for joining us for your time today, and we look forward to speaking with you on our next earnings call. Thank you.

speaker
Lateef
Conference Call Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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