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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. At this time, we would like to welcome everyone to Cozum SEA's third quarter of 2020 results conference call. Today with us, we have Mr. João Arthur Souza, Head of Finance, and Felipe Casale, Investment Relations Executive Manager. We would like to inform you that this event is being recorded and all participants will be in a listen-only mode during the company's presentation. After Kozan's remarks, there will be a question and answer session for industry analysts. At that time, further instructions will be given. Should any participant need assistance during this call, please press star zero to reach the operator. The audio and slideshow of this presentation are available through live webcast at ri.kozan.com.pr.en. These slides can also be downloaded from the webcast platform. Before proceeding, let me mention that forward-looking statements are based on the beliefs and assumptions of Cousins Management and on information currently available to the company. They involve risks, uncertainties, and assumptions because they relate to future events and therefore depend on circumstances that may or may not occur in the future. Investors should understand that general economic conditions, industry conditions, and other operating factors could also affect the future results of Cousins and could cause results to differ materially from those expressed in such forward-looking statements. Now, I'll turn the conference over to Mr. Felipe Casale. Mr. Casale, you may begin the call.

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our earnings call for Cousins SAVED. Great challenges marked our business over the past months during the pandemic. However, the Brazilian macroeconomic figures in the third quarter demonstrated an upward trend in economic recovery. As social isolation measures gradually loosened, we observed an increase in demand for fuels, lubricants and natural gas. Slide 3 demonstrates this upward trend in the macroeconomic data that relates directly to our business. At the onset of the crisis, we were swift to adapt to this new business scenario. And more than that, we prepared in advance for when the economy would be picking up speed again to allow us to be well positioned to capture such opportunities in the market. Our teams are focused on execution and value generation, whereby the results lead to an increased consolidated adjusted EBITDA, measured both year over year and quarterly, confirming once again the robust nature of our business portfolio. The pandemic continues to affect people's lives and businesses. We remain attentive to the uncertainties posed by the new waves of contagion around the world. Regardless of this pandemic scenario, which we understand is a dynamic one in nature, we will keep prioritizing our team's health and safety to ensure our operations efficiency and sustainability. Moving along to the numbers, you will notice on slide 4 that in addition to the previously mentioned EBITDA growth, we achieved solid net income for the period. I would like to point out the progress in accumulated EBITDA over 2020 compared to nine months to date in 2019. The main negative variations here occurred in the business that were most affected by the crisis in the second quarter of this year. However, these businesses are already showing performance levels much closer to pre-crisis levels throughout all second half of the current year. Proceeding to the next slide, we will discuss each business results, starting with fields distribution. And let's begin with Brazil on the left-hand side of the slide. And the recovery hinted at the end of the second quarter in demand for fields have consolidated during this quarter. The relaxation of social isolation measures and the resumption of economic activity were drivers for the gradual improvement of sales in the quarter. The main highlight has been the demand for diesel, which grew both consecutively and year over year, and here the largest share of sales continues to be supported by agribusiness demand. Additionally, the return of industrial activity is also playing an important role on diesel performance. Despite the auto cycle's expected demand improvement, sales continues to be affected by the lower levels of consumer activity during the pandemic, comparing, of course, year over year. In the aviation sector, recovery will be slower indeed, but we are already seeing sequential progression. That being said, adjusted EBITDA was 611 million reais, reversing the downward trend from last quarter. Expanded sales volumes improved operational efficiency, and the gains from our supply strategy supported the EBITDA recovery. We observed a marked improvement in the business environment, and as a result, profitability is back to historical levels. Let me remind you what we outlined during the previous call. The scenario of volatility with no sudden fluctuations in fuel prices, combined with a normalized demand environment, enabled return to the pre-pandemic levels. In addition to the lower volumes of sales, I would like to point out three important factors in contrast to the third Q19. We no longer consolidate the results from convenience store, the segment since we formed JV with EMSA, the group of NOS. And the results of this segment is now recognized via equity pickup in the proportion of our 50% stake. The smaller volumes of sales from the aviation segment were directly affected by the reduced numbers of flights being taken, and additionally to an even more disciplined management of our credit risk, considering the current scenario. Finally, the costs associated with the RenovaBIO program impacted our results by R$ 25 million in the quarter. CapEx during the quarter totaled 173 million reais. Despite the reduction in investments, we have maintained consistent progress in renewing and conversions of service stations throughout the year. Before moving to Argentina's operation, I would like to update you in two key initiatives here in Brazil. First, the NOS Group, our JV in the convenience and proximity store segment. Following a period of intensive planning and development, we are now positioned to open the first store of our own with Oxo Brand this year, while opening new Shell Select stores at service stations, mainly under the standard franchisee agreement. For this first year of operation, the plan is to grow around 10%, the number of total stores, and we'll probably close the year end with over 1.1 thousand stores. Adding to this expansion, we will open our first distribution center in São Paulo State this year. The second update is Shell Box. The last time we spoke about the high-easing client relationship platform was in March, during Code Sunday. At that time, we presented a number of 600,000 transactions a month. Since then, which coincided with the pandemic outbreak in Brazil, This transaction month metric has doubled, and we have currently surpassed 1.5 million transactions a month, demonstrating high rates of usage and strong consumer loyalty to the vPower products. Let us now move on to Raizen Argentina on the right-hand side of this slide. And just a reminder that results are in US dollars, which is the functional currency for that entity. Similarly with Brazil, demand for fuel has also demonstrated a strong recovery as compared with the second quarter, despite the extended lockdown in Argentina. The adjusted EBITDA was $56 million, reverting the loss from the previous quarter. In addition to the increase in demand, the lower unit cost of inputs and products sold and the gradual increase of sales prices have also contributed to these improvement results. Investments during the quarter totaled $10 million, a reduction that is in line with the investment expected for the year. Moving along to the next slide, we will discuss high-easing energy as earnings. The acceleration of sugarcane crushing marked the second quarter of 2020-21 crop year. Dryer weather and recent year's investments resulted in expansion of agricultural yields, and the mix continues to be dedicated to maximizing sugar output, which reached 54% of our production, a clear signal of the sugar's higher profitability compared to the ethanol. Now let's move along to more detailed information on the main products sold, starting in sugar. The owned volume sold nearly doubled over the last years, in line with our sales strategy for the harvest, which will result in a more balanced sales between the last two quarters of the year. Since the beginning of the harvest, we have been increasing third-party sugar origination operations, leveraging our expertise in infrastructure to capture increased value within the supply chain in both owned and third-party products. Sales prices improved 22% in line with the hedging instruments contracted for the year. Moving on to ethanol, own sales volume was 14% lower year over year due to the lower levels of the biofuel production and the sales strategy for the harvest. Average prices rose 5% over the third quarter of 2019, supported by an increase in exports and also the ethanol proxy hedge strategy. Now on to electricity, our own electricity sales volume was in line with the previous quarter, with an average prices being 6% higher. Moving to the sugar hedging strategy. As mentioned in prior conference calls, Brazilian sugar's competitiveness increased due to the depreciation of the Brazilian Reais, leading to great hedge opportunities. The price in reais for sugar has been breaking historical highs, stimulating an acceleration of hedging with growing returns for the coming years. Considering the current harvest, Haizen has hedged 100% of its sugar target to exports at an average price of 62 cents of real per pound, which is more than 10% above the previous harvest average price. For the 21-22 harvest period, we hedged a little over 70% at an average price of 65 cents of real per pound weight. And for this 22-23 harvest, we have hedged a good portion of the sugar production volumes at a price near 74 cents. Now let's move to the results. The accelerating sales of sugar, combined with improved prices for all products, and the cost efficiency from improved agricultural yields led to a 15% growth in adjusted EBITDA. We continue to build sugar and ethanol inventory for future sales, in line with our strategy that focuses on taking advantage of better price-return ratios. To conclude, investments totaled R$ 422 million in the quarter, Decrease explained by the higher investments in projects in the compared period of the third quarter 2019. Let's carry on to the next slide and discuss natural gas segment. Before we begin with the highlights for the quarter, one quick comment about our decision to suspend the Compass Gas and Energy IPO. Given the substantially worsening in market conditions compared to the moment we launched the operation and our capital allocation discipline, the best decision was to postpone the IPO to a future opportunity. I want to emphasize that nothing changed regarding the business plan for Compass. In line with this plan, last October we announced that the company submitted a proposal for the acquisition of 51% of GasPetro's equity, which is included in the Petrobras divestment program. This process is advancing under confidentiality, restricting what we can disclose or discuss at this time. Now let's move to the quarter's results. Adjusted EBITDA was 646 million reais in the quarter, boosted by a recovery of natural gas distributed by Congas, which we will discuss in more detail now. Natural gas sales for the quarter experienced a sizable increase compared to the second Q20, returning to very close levels of those before the crisis. The industrial segment was the key driver of volume growth in line with the gradual recovery of production. Commercial segment is also gradually recovering, but at a slower pace, since many of our clients are still facing restrictions on their operations, such as hotels and restaurants, for example. And the residential growth continues to expand in line with an increasing customer base. As a result, Congas EBITDA was substantially higher compared to the second Q20. Year-over-year comparison posted a slight decrease, explained by lower demand from segments still affected by the pandemic. The efficient management of expenses and margin adjustments by inflation in May this year drove the good financial performance of Congas. Regarding CapEx, we are keeping the pace of investments aligned to the regulatory plan. Going over to the next slide, starting with Move Our Lubricants business. As with fuels and natural gas, lubricants demand strongly recovered during the third quarter across all countries where we operate. It is worth mentioning that seasonally, the third quarter is the best in terms of demand in the sector. And in the case of lubricants, a portion of the demand that was withheld during the second quarter due to the pandemic shifted over the third Q2020. As a result, MOVE posted a record EBITDA of R$177 million, supported by our commercial strategy and by our product portfolio that allow us to seize opportunities, especially in Brazil. Improvement in operational indicators reflects operational efficiency combined with economies of scale, management of expenses, and optimization of our supply strategy. Now, on the right-hand side of this slide, we present Kuzan Corporate. Adjusted expenses for the 3Q20 were in line with the same period last year, and the other expenses totaled 20 million reais in the quarter. Following the presentation, on slide 9, we will discuss the main consolidated financial indicators. Proforma growth stat reduced 2% in the quarter, reflecting the decrease in high easing. As for cash flow, we had some specific factors that impacted the quarter, which I will detail. Operational cash flow was seasonally affected by sugar and ethanol inventories at high ease in energia. In the cash flow from investments, there was an investment of R$290 million by way of RUMO's follow-on participation. And on the financing line, Haizen amortized a greater amount of debt, offsetting the funding raised during the second Q20. As a consequence of these effects, coupled with a lower last 12 months EBITDA, performer leverage increased to 2.7 times net debt to EBITDA. As the company resumed to its normalized levels of results, we expect leverage ratio to return to its historical range of two to two and a half times net debt to EBITDA. Before concluding our presentation today, I'd like to give you an update regarding our ESG journey. One more important step in our commitment to sustainable development was taken this quarter. We signed the United Nations Global Compact and this pact is responsible to encourage businesses worldwide to adopt sustainable and socially responsible policies. This means not only reiterating our engagement with our stakeholders, but also learning and exchanging valuable knowledge with other members to the Compact. And concerning ESG indicators, we once again responded to the questionnaires of CDP and ISE, as well as the Bloomberg Gender Equality Index. Our active participation in these rankings and indexes is key to increasing our transparency, allowing improved communications to our stakeholders. Another important initiative is the inauguration of Haizen's first biogas plant, the world's largest with gas production based on sugarcane's derivate. This plant reinforces the group's pioneering spirit in the sector development and consolidates Raizen's position as an integrated energy company that invests in innovation to ensure long-term sustainability. Before closing the call, a word about the corporate reorganization process we announced back in July. We are currently in the assessment and negotiation of the exchange ratios phase, which is being conducted by the independent committees. The process is on the schedule and as planned. The company will keep market posted regarding the next steps as they arise. With that, I conclude the presentations and we can now start the Q&A session. Thank you.

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session for investors and analysts. If you have a question, please press star 1 on your telephone. If your question is answered during the session, you may remove it from the line by pressing the star 2. We ask that you use the handset when asking the question in order to maintain excellent sound quality. Please, we ask everyone to ask only two questions per person. Please, stand by while we collect the questions. Our first question comes from Mr. Gabriel Barras.

Hi, Felipe, João. Thanks for the questions. I'm true here. So, first and foremost, as you know, and you have mentioned during the call, the company presented an offer for the 51% of respite. But we have some news that the industry are evaluating to sell its stake. It's 49% stake on gas petrol. So my question here is what could be the potential impacts from this sale, this potential sale of 49% from industry? If there is any change in the company strategy regarding gas petrol. The second one on hydrocarbon machines, I looked through the numbers of the gas stations. The third quarter, the company had decreased 30 gas stations compared with the previous quarter. And think about the investments. What's the company's flagging strategy going forward in the medium term? And additionally, if you could discuss a little bit more, what's the company's strategy in terms of finding business acquisition and how it fits the company downstream business in Brazil? And if I may, a very quick question here about Haizanergia. The company has a good level of hedge for this crop and for the next one, but the price has increased a little bit after the end of the second quarter of the crop year. So, give us an update if you have accelerated this hedge position for 2022, 2021, 2022, and 2022, 2023 crop could be very helpful for us. So, that's my question. Thank you.

Gabriel, thank you for your questions. I'll try to address all of them here. Probably we missed one of them, but starting with your first one in Compass, we are focusing on the Petrobras stake, which is what we announced, and we are focused on doing the 51% stake that we have announced as a proposal that was sent to Petrobras. So, There is no intention or no decision about any other movement other than this one. The second question in terms of the gas station growth, we actually always tend to bring you guys to look at the volume growth because there is quite different in terms of the numbers of stations that each player announced. And then we have the CGCO and ANP numbers that usually comes out as well. So we always tend to take you guys to look at the volume growth. And here we are focused, we're seeing a pretty good year, actually, even though in the second quarter we faced some challenges there in terms of bringing or finalizing some contracts. But we are pretty in line to deliver this year by year end, somewhere around they won't be the leaders that we have been historically bringing to our network. So always focusing here on the quality of the assets, location, and so on. So that same view we will keep doing to bring new stations to our network here. About the hedges, I think it was your last question. We have advances. This crop, we are fully hedged already, as you saw. For the next crop, 2021-2022, we have around 70% hedged, and the price is around 66 cents of reais per pound. And as we mentioned last call, we started hedging even the 2022, 2023 crop year. We have a little less than half of that crop or the sugar that we intend to export for that crop hedged. And the price levels is extremely high, 74 reais per pound, right? So looking at the return point of view here and for us hedging is hedging the return, right? We're not speculating here. It makes total sense to advance a little bit. So that's where we stand now in terms of the hedges. Okay, great. Thanks, Felipe.

Our next question comes from Mr. Andre from Itaú.

Hello, Felipe. Thank you for taking my questions. I have two questions on my side. The first is relating to Renova View. I understand the program was just implemented by the end of third quarter. So there wouldn't have been time to pass through prices. But when we're looking to the fourth quarter numbers, when we're looking to more recent pricing, we haven't been seeing a pass through to fill prices. Do you think there's a chance that the distribution companies could have to absorb a part of these costs? Or do you think we'll do the full pass through to the client? I'll ask this question, then I'll ask my second question after this. André, thanks for the question. Let me explore a little bit here our view about Renova Deal and without discussing directly in terms of price and so on. First, it's important to celebrate that the program is up and running because this is something that Brazil created. There's a target and there's a cap there for each distribution company, each player of this industry. We view the program as a system, let's say, at market conditions, right? Market regulated with no need of government interference to incentivize the consumption of biofuels, clean fuels, versus fossil fuels through cost differentiation, right? And everyone should be happy about what Brazil created, as I mentioned. So what I want to say here is that basically the program is has a cost differentiation, should have a cost differentiation for fossil fuels compared to clean fuels. So that's where, that's our view here. And we are celebrating that the program is up and running. And of course, there is a long way here to mature the program. Okay, perfect.

My second question, Felipe, is on compost. Could you just close a little bit of how evolved is the regas term in Zampado? We have had big discussions.

When should we start seeing construction effectively starting? And it also encompassed on the marketing business. Could you explain a bit how evolved are the new contracts and what's going on? When do you think the commercialization business will start reporting a bit down when we start seeing effective bonds being negotiated? So if you could give us a little bit of an update, a little bit more of a granular update on how these two businesses are evolving. Okay.

That'd be really good. Thank you.

Andrea, thank you again. Regarding the license of the terminal, we already got the installation license, and we keep working on the contractual arrangements prior to start the construction of the terminal. So anytime in the near future, we'll probably start with the construction of that. In terms of the Compass Comercializadora, one important thing here is to separate the Compass Trading contracts, right? So we are working to form a portfolio of gas supply contracts for Comercializadora. customers supported by contract to suppliers to access infrastructure. So there's no update in terms of contracts at Compass right now. And we will eventually inform you and we will release that on Compass results once we have those signed contracts to announce to you guys. Perfect. Thank you very much, Felipe.

Our next question comes from Mr. Thiago Duarte from BTG Pactual.

Hello, Felipe. Hello, everybody. Thanks for the opportunity. Just three questions on our side. First one, Felipe, if you could talk a little bit more about the corporate restructuring you mentioned in the presentation that is going according to plan. Just if you could, since the plan, the regional plan, had a pretty wide you know, target in terms of the conclusion of the restructuring, just if you could, you know, give us a more precise, if possible, of the next steps and when you expect it to happen in terms of the conclusion of the restructuring, that would be nice. The second one is regarding cane availability. We saw a pretty significant drought that impacted the center-south of Brazil this year, possibly explaining why crushing has been strong so far. But just if you guys have a sense of whether this could affect the cane availability for high-easing energia into the next year crop, or not, or maybe too early to tell, but just if you could, you know, digress a little bit on the quality of the cane that you guys expect to harvest from now on, that would be nice as well. And the third question would be regarding the gas stations. It's actually a follow-up from the first one. that you answered on the gas station. If you could open how many units were added versus how many units were lost in this particular quarter, that would be nice to see as well. Thank you.

Thiago, thank you for your questions. Regarding the reorganization process, the phase we are right now, and remembering that that was announced in July, After that, we form the independent committees, right? So we are now in the phase of waiting for the independent committees to define the ratio of exchange or actually negotiate the ratio of exchange, right? After they do all the assessments of each company. So that's the phase we are right now. Anytime soon, they will inform us what was this ratio of exchange, and we will follow up with the market with all the notice to the market and material facts that we need to do in order to keep on with the process. So after that, we will call for a general meeting to vote on those ratios of exchange. So that's where we stand now. In terms of cane availability, it's a good question because It's still a little early to have a clear scenario for the next crop, basically because the dry weather experienced during this year penalized a little bit the sugarcane development, right, in the beginning of this crop. But the crucial time for us to know how the sugarcane will be for next year or sugarcane availability will be for next year is from December to March during this intercrop season. when we need the right amount of range to have a better view of how the cane will, or how will be the situation of the sugarcane availability for 2021, 2022 crop year. In terms of the gas stations, We'll have to follow up on that. I don't believe I have the numbers here. We can follow up on that. But again, what I can tell you, and you guys can follow up on the volumes, is that we are pretty focused on bringing again somewhere around a billion new liters of fuels of demand for high-easing combustibles in 2021. I'm sorry, 2020. Okay.

Thank you. And if I could, just one follow-up on the cane availability side of the discussion there. Does that change to any extent? If we look back into the guidance that you provided, I know the guidance is no longer in place, but if we look back to the guidance that you provided for the 2021 year crop, I think it was between $2.85 billion to $3.05 billion. Is that going to be any different when we look at the end of this year crop and how the investments, the CapEx, is going to look like? Is that changing or renewing to any extent or anything like that?

Thiago, we are in a journey here of investments, as you guys know, in order to improve our agricultural yields. And this is part of what was embedded in that guidance. As I mentioned last quarter, Raize Energia was... much less impacted by the pandemic, right? So probably the assumptions that we had in that number would be preserved if we still have the guidance, right? And that considers investment. So there's no view of changing the level of investment in order to improve agricultural productivity as expected, right? So we'll probably keep the pace here. And we're probably looking at a new phase of agricultural yields, of course, depending on the climate conditions, which, of course, will impact also the agricultural yields.

Perfect. Thank you, Felipe.

Once again, to ask a question, please press star 1. Please, we remind everyone to ask only two questions per person. Our next question comes from Mr. Guilherme Pallares from Bank of America.

Hi, Filipe. Thank you for taking my question. Also talking about rising energy, in September we know that the company was in talks to acquire another player in the same business division. And if you could provide some update in terms of group for that segment for the hydrogen energy business being organically or not. So if you could update our data regarding that transaction, it would be great.

Thank you. Thank you for your question. So first of all, we confirmed back in September that we entered into discussions for a possible combination of the operations. And that's where we stand now. If we do this transaction, one thing that you should bear in mind is that that has to fit, that would fit into high-easing energy as renewable strategy, but I can assure that capital discipline is absolutely key in any deal that we do, and it's no different than this one, right? So we are in the discussion phase still. There is no definition whatsoever of... of a possible conclusion of a transaction, and any relevant move in terms of this, as a follow-up of this material fact that we released in September, will be announced formally to the market through the usual channels. Okay, thank you.

Our next question comes from Mr. Regis Cardoso from Credit Suisse.

Hi, Philippe. Thanks for the time, for the questions. I'll take two from my side. Can you comment on the impact that inventory gains and replacement margins had during this quarter for AIS and Combustive? If you could also comment, I believe inventory has also played a role in Argentina. So I'm mostly interested in Brazil, but if you also could comment on Argentina quickly, that would be great. And then second question is about the many initiatives you have in place. So I wanted to know how have each one of them advanced, in particular the LNG terminal, the thermal power plants, the contract with BBG, any other initiatives in Compass specifically? And I believe you also have a few in rising, for instance, the potential negotiations with Biosaf, projects for ethanol of second generation. If you could comment on those future projects, please.

Thank you for your questions. I was writing down here. So in terms of margins in Biosaf, in high-easing fields and starting here with Brazil. I mean, without breaking up the margins gains from supply and commercialization strategy, which again includes inventory gains, includes imports and so on, what I can tell you is that we had an inventory gain, but the price action of the recovery during this quarter was quite different than the price drop Faced in the second quarter, as you know. So having that said, the size of the inventory gain in the third Q of 2020 was in line with historical levels, but way lower compared to the loss that we recognized in the previous quarter, right? That's what I can tell you for Brazil. And one quick comment here about margins, right? It's always important when analyzing the margins of this industry to adjust for the portfolio of each player, right? So, for example, aviation is not contributing as used to to our results, right? Sea store, for example, in our case as well, is not consolidated into anymore since we formed the JV with Pensa. So we now have 50% of the net income through the equity pickup line, right? And you also know that we are in a different stage of this business now. And this, just as a reference here, this number of convenience store contributed in five reais per cubic meter in our margins in Q19, right, last year. And also, one important thing when analyzing the margins is the accounting standards, namely IFRS 16, which, by the way, we keep disclosing and adjusting to our EBITDA. And probably the best way of comparing the results, and we used to bring this number and probably going to bring it back again, is the edit per cubic meter, or the ROIC. Those two metrics probably are the best in analyzing our margins and also using that when comparing to other players. And moving to Argentina, just a quick comment here. about the results. So the quarter was better based on the volume improvement that we saw, right? And also the gradual increase on sales price helped to boost the ADI and to rebound from the loss we have in the previous quarter, right? Main challenge there is still actually the timing to get prices close to international parity, right? And this is what we should look forward to. to the end of the year and, of course, in the next year at high-easing Argentina. And in terms of the investments, the prospects for our business, I mean, we commented a little bit already about Compass, right, and the data of the commercialization. We also commented about our proposal for acquiring Gaspetro, right, And that's where we stand. I mean, I already gave the update there. Biosave, I also just answered in the last question. About the other initiatives on the renewable side, Pretty big agenda here for high-easing. That includes not only the second-generation ethanol, which, by the way, we are fulfilling the first plan that we launched up to the capacity. We also just... just released or just inaugurated our biogas plant, which is extremely important in that ESG agenda, right? I commented a little bit that on the speech. So, I mean, it's a big renewables agenda that we are going to follow at high-easing energy and good prospects there within these investments and these agenda projects. for the near future. All right. Thanks, Ruth. Have a nice day.

Our next question comes from Mr. Christian Alge from Santander.

Thanks. Hi, Philippe. I had two questions, one on fuel distribution and the other on leverage. On fuel distribution, as you were mentioning just now, Philippe, you know, between the inventory gains and now the view adjustments, sometimes it's difficult to get to what is the, uh, recurring, uh, per cubic meter or EBIT per cubic meter margin for, if we just look at Brazil, few distribution. So I was wondering if you could, for example, taking this three cues and, uh, as an example, if we, you know, remove all these non-recurring items, uh, What do you think the recurring EBITDA per cubic meter margin was for this quarter? And what are the main drivers in your view that could help you improve that margin going into next year? And then the second question is regarding leverage. If you could just add a little color, you explained that you reached this 2.7, but your goal is to go down to the 2 to 2.5 times. Is that more at the end of this year or end of next year a target if you could provide a little bit of your expectations on timing? That would be very helpful. Thanks.

Christian, thank you for your question. So, regarding the first one. I mean, we are passing through a quite volatile year, right, in the fields division. Prices of fields, the volatility and the demand impact, of course, changes a lot what will be or make it difficult for you guys to see what will be a recurring level of margins here. But what I can tell you is that, actually, I can keep the same statement here of the previous call, right, which is that the second half of 2020, it's pretty similar to our original plan, pre-crisis, right, or pre-pandemic. It's, again, difficult to predict since we're living in the uncertainties of the pandemic still, right? But we will probably see a fourth kill, quite similar to the third kill, right? With possible upsides in the man. So I think the... The main assumption here, or the good news here, is that the business environment has improved. The other listed players and the formal players as a whole are back to historical levels of profitability. Of course, we have to always keep a look on informality, which is still one of the main hurdles here of this industry, right? So... One important thing here is that High-Easing has been pretty consistent in delivering a solid performance, combining volume growth and profitability, right? So I think that's what you should bear in mind looking for High-Easing Field Performance going forward. And in terms of leverage, we are, we reached a 2.7 time, and that will be that at this quarter. And one of the reasons I mentioned is the dynamic of Hy-Vee Energia, our sugar and ethanol entity, which is in the phase of building up inventories. As you may see, we reached the high level of inventories right now, which will be sold or we will sell that throughout the next two quarters, up to the end of the crop year, which is March 2021. So you should probably expect, I don't want to put a date here, but you should probably expect that by March 2021, we're going to be much closer to that level than we are now.

Great. Very helpful. And Felipe, going back to the first point that you made, what are the main tools that you have at your disposal to keep improving these margins for fuel? in Brazil? Is it SG&A reduction? Is it rose margin improvements? Because you're already so efficient. I'm just trying to understand what else can you do to improve margins in your view?

Cristian, to be very honest, I think a raising Did the homework in terms of infrastructure, in terms of having efficient supply and commercialization strategy in terms of our pricing. And, of course, there's always work to do here. But we are back to a historical level of return, which is a quite robust one. And I think there's some avenues here of opportunities based, again, not only on the supply and commercialization strategy, right, which is something that has helped us in the past few years, but also in those two avenues. One of them is the convenience stores, as I explored a little bit on the presentation, right? And that's one other avenue. good part of the opportunities here. And the other, as of now, compared to the second Q and the third Q of 2020 is aviation segment, which is suffering a lot with, along with the aviation segment as a whole, right? And most And if that comes back, of course, we will capture more opportunities on that segment as well to possibly come back to the level of profitability in the aviation segment that we historically had.

Okay. Thanks, Felipe.

Our next question comes from Mr. Alejandro Demes from NowSecure.

Hi. Good morning, gentlemen. Thank you very much for taking my question. Alejandro Demes from NowSecurity. I think you were mentioning your aim to reduce the gearing level, but I'm just thinking you're saying also that you're pursuing the gas petrol acquisition, you're also bidding for the refineries in Petrobras, you have the financing to do on the Comgas project, also Renault Avio. So trying to square both things. So If all of those projects come to fruition, how is it that you expect to lower the gearing level?

Alejandro, thank you for your question that you had here. I mean, each business line or each company has its own capital structure, right, and its own ways of funding investments and accessing markets and so on, right? So... You should look at each business line in a single way in terms of how they will fund their projects and their investments, right? There's possibilities to access the market. One example is the tentative that we had last quarter of IPO in one of our entities, which is Compass, right? So we can come back to that in the future window of opportunity. And, of course, access capital market is something that the company has consistently done. So, this is another way of doing it, as well as, of course, cash generation of each operation, which is always a help in terms of funding new investments.

So, when you're saying access capital market, you're saying... access debt capital markets or are you thinking about access to the equity capital markets?

Actually, you can think about both, right? We have accessed both in the past, and we're probably going to access both in the future. But there is, of course, there's no timeline, there's no definition, and those discussions are taken internally to make each decision here. Just one quick thing on the first question here. You mentioned Renovo Bio. That not necessarily impacts the leverage, right? So that's just a... and impact that on the P&L, right? So there's no directly impact or that should not increase leverage. Let's put it this way.

Okay, that's clear. But, you know, but there's still quite a lot of things that either you at the cost and assay level or the subsidiaries may have to find those, yeah.

Yeah, just one more thing here. That level of two to two and a half times that that will be back, it's what you should think about long term, right? So, of course, we can go beyond that as we are right now, but that's momentaneously. So, you should expect that we come back to two and two and a half times with all those projects, with all those investments that we are thinking about doing.

Okay, that's very helpful. Thank you very much.

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