3/1/2022

speaker
Operator

Good day and welcome to Centerspace Q4 2021 Earnings Call. My name is Brika and I'll be today's event specialist. You will have the opportunity to ask a question. To do so, please press star 1 on your telephone keypads. If you change your mind at any time, please press star 2. I would now like to hand the call over to Mark Decker, Centerspace's President and CEO. So Mark, you may begin.

speaker
Brika

Thank you, Operator, and good morning, everyone. The Form 10-K for the full year 2021 was filed with the SEC yesterday after the market closed. Additionally, our earnings release and supplemental disclosure package have been posted on our website at centerspacehomes.com and filed yesterday on Form 8-K. Before we begin our remarks this morning, I need to remind you that during the call, we will discuss our business outlook and will be making certain forward-looking statements about future events based on current expectations and assumptions. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties discussed in our Form 10-K, including those under the section titled Risk Factors, and in other recent filings with the SEC. With respect to non-GAAP measures we use on this call, including pro forma measures, please refer to our earnings supplement for a reconciliation to GAAP and the reasons management uses these non-GAAP measures and the assumptions used with respect to any pro forma measures and their inherent limitations. Any forward-looking statements made on today's call represent management's current opinions, and the company assumes no obligation to update or supplement these statements that become untrue due to subsequent events. I'm grateful to be joined this morning by our Chief Operating Officer, Ann Olson, as well as our Chief Financial Officer, Bharat Patel. We also have a special guest, John Kirchman, who, as most of you know, is our former CFO and is helping with Bharat's transition. 2021 was an incredible year in the housing business and CenterSpace had a fantastic year as well. Our mantra is better every day, and we lived up to that, making meaningful progress in every respect. With outstanding operating results, record investment and financing activity, critical investments into our technology platform, as well as our team, as we pursue our mission to be a great place to live, work, and invest. We close the year with core FFO growth of 5.6% over 2020 and well above consensus. In 2022, the momentum should accelerate and our outlook is for core FFO growth per share of 11.5% at the midpoint versus 2021 and 3% over consensus. CenterSpace is one of just a few companies in the apartment space that was able to post year-over-year growth in operations and per share FFO in each of 2019, 2020, and 2021, an outcome that reflects the quality of our business. Looking to 2022, we expect to build on our fundamentals, characterized by consistency, growth, and relatively low new supply. We've made over $600 million of portfolio investments since January of 2021, improving our growth potential and quality of earnings, and we will continue to seek opportunities Our KMS investment, which we've owned for six months now, is on track, and the opportunity to be optimizing the lease role in those assets is just getting started as we head into our peak leasing season. We purchased KMS to grow faster, and it's working. In January and February, we are seeing nearly double the blended lease rate growth compared to our same-store portfolio in Minneapolis and St. Cloud. We're also beginning to consider the opportunities for value-add in that subset of the portfolio. Opportunities we did not underwrite or price into the purchase. The work we're doing there and elsewhere should help us continue to grow revenues at better than market as we did in 2021. Our balance sheet has never been better. We closed the year with average maturities over seven years, a blended rate in the low threes and seven times debt to forward EBITDA. Our access to the private placement market was expanded in 2021 and our spreads continue to narrow and are well in line with investment grade issuers. On the equity side, we were able to place shares through our ATM into a handful of active investors who understand our business and help us drive float and liquidity, two of which are now in our top 10 shareholders overall and top three among active investors. As always, I want to thank our outstanding team of professionals who show up every day for our residents and for each other. Anne, please give us an operating update.

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Ann Olson

Thank you, Mark, and good morning. 2021 was a year of stellar revenue growth for our company as we drove a 4.8% increase in same store net operating income for 2021 over 2020. And with 9.2% revenue growth in the fourth quarter compared to the same period in 2020, we believe we have a great runway for success into 2022. In the fourth quarter, our same store new lease rates were up 5.8% over the prior leases and same store renewals achieved increases of 7.8%. Given the seasonality of our business, it is important to note that in the fourth quarter of 2020, our new lease rates had declined 3.6%, and our renewals were 2.3%. Our fourth quarter spread is 9.4% on new leases and 5.5% on renewals compared to the same period in 2020. On a blended basis, this is fourth quarter rental rate growth of 6.5%. Solid rental rate increases continued in January, with new leases increasing 6.6% over prior leases, and renewals increasing 9.6% for a blended rate increase of 7.5%. Our same-store weighted average occupancy was 93.4% on December 31, 2021, a slight increase over the end of the third quarter, but lower than where we finished in 2020. Some of this is attributable to our value-add renovations, as well as higher turnover as we've come out of COVID and experienced increasing rental rates. Optimizing revenues is our goal. Through value-add renovations, revenue management, and enhancing our customer experience while we still closely monitor expenses. We expect that the current inflationary environment will create expense pressures, particularly in labor and materials. At this time last year, we were still monitoring our collections rate and bad debt expense while working through the eviction moratoriums and regulations. 2021 saw significant quarterly volatility in our collections, and we realized 101% of expected residential revenue in the fourth quarter. For the year, we collected 99.2% of expected residential revenue, which is what we are anticipating to be a normalized rate heading into 2022. The fourth quarter was also our first full quarter after the integration of the KMS portfolio. With respect to our acquisition capital expectations, we had begun to deploy capital to help drive the rental rates that Mark mentioned. Through December 31st, 2021, we have spent approximately $540,000 on common area cleanings, mechanical plumbing and HVAC upgrades, and we bid and contracted for some of our larger acquisition capital projects across that portfolio. In 2022, we expect to spend approximately 21 million of the 38 million allocated to acquisition capital improvements for the KMS assets. Given the strong results of 2021, we're confident that 2022 brings us many opportunities to continue to execute on our operating platform, including integrating our non-same store portfolio, capturing our loss to lease, and optimizing our property management technologies to enhance our customer experience. We're very proud of our team's demonstrated ability to execute on our vision and mission and are grateful for their contributions to making better everydays. I'll turn it over to Bharav to discuss our financial results.

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Mark

Thank you, Anne. Last night we reported core FFO for the year ending December 31st, 2021. of $3.99 per diluted share, an increase of 21 cents or 5.6% from the prior year. For the quarter ended December 31st, 2021, core FFO was $1.08 per diluted share, an increase of 6 cents or 5.9% from the prior year. The increase in full year core FFO is primarily attributable to higher NOI offset in part by higher G&A and property management expenses as we have grown our portfolio. Total GNA was $16.2 million for the year, an increase of $2.8 million over the prior year, primarily attributable to increases of $1.3 million in incentive-based compensation costs related to company performance and share-based compensation arrangements, and $800,000 in non-recurring technology initiative costs. Property management expense, which includes property management overhead and property management fees, increased 8.8 million for the year ended December 31st, 2021, compared to 5.8 million for the prior year. The increase is primarily due to 1.2 million in non-recurring technology initiatives, as well as 1.2 million in compensation costs from the filling of open positions and additional staffing related to the acquisition of communities during the year. Turning to capital expenditures, which is presented on page S17 of our supplemental, same-store CapEx was $9.7 million for the year ended December 31, 2021. That translates to $906 per unit, which is in line with our expectations. Looking at our balance sheet, as of December 31, 2021, we had $205 million of total liquidity, including $174 million available on our line of credit. The refinancing we completed in the third quarter strengthened our balance sheet and added financial flexibility by increasing the weighted average maturity of our debt while reducing our cost of capital. Additionally, subsequent to year-end, we terminated the two remaining swap positions for a total cost of $3.4 million, further reducing our weighted average interest rate. As a result, we now pay interest on our line of credit at LIBOR plus 150 basis points. For reference, the swap interest rate on the $76 million outstanding on our line of credit adds up December 31st, 2021 was 4.3% versus 1.6% excluding the swaps. In Q4, we issued 721,000 shares at an average price of $97.51 per share, net of commissions. For the full year, we issued 1.8 million common shares at an average price of $86.13 and total consideration, net of commissions and issuance costs of 156 million under the ATM program. Now, I will discuss our 2022 financial outlook, which is presented on page S18 of our supplemental. Core FFO for 2022 is projected to be $4.45 per share at the midpoint of the range, which is growth up 11.5% over the prior year and is driven by strength in our core operations. The year-over-year growth is driven by strong projected same-store NOI growth, which is expected to increase by 8% to 10% as well as the accretive acquisition of 23 communities since the beginning of 2021. Within our same store pool, we project revenue to increase by 7% at the midpoint as we look to sustain revenue growth we saw in the fourth quarter of 2021. We do anticipate cost increases as a result of inflationary pressures, particularly on compensation costs driven by a challenging labor market, and expect total same store expenses to increase by 4.25% at the midpoint. Our financial outlook also assumes same-store capital expenditures of $925 to $975 per home, which is slightly above last year as a result of timing differences and inflationary increases, value-add capital expenditures of 21 to 24 million, and the Jan. 22 acquisition of four communities in the Minneapolis market. To conclude, we executed on several initiatives in 2021 to add scale, as evidenced by the growth of our portfolio since the beginning of 2021. while simultaneously positioning the company for future growth. We continue to deliver strong operating results, improve the balance sheet, and invest in a best-in-class operating platform. For that, I thank all our team members for their unwavering commitment and continued hard work.

speaker
Anne

Thank you.

speaker
Operator

If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Please note, we allow one question at a time. So if you ask to wish a follow-up question, please get back in the queue. As a reminder, it is star followed by 1 to ask any questions today. We have our first question on the phone lines from Rob Stevenson from Janae. So, Rob, please go ahead when you're ready.

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Rob Stevenson

Good morning, guys. Mark or Anne, Minneapolis is 26.6. terms of the same store noi uh percentage but what percentage of overall noi is it given the recent acquisitions and will we see some selective minneapolis dispositions in 2022 are you comfortable growing that market even higher uh at this point and can you talk about where the minneapolis suburban versus urban mix is hey rob good morning uh

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Brika

Looking through same store to everything, I think we're around 36% in many or the Twin Cities, I should say, and that suburban urban mix would would be roughly. 9010 or 8515 something that will will do some math on that while we're talking and hopefully get back on the call, but it would be. It would be highly skewed towards. The suburbs and more highly skewed than it was towards B. So pre-KMS, we were about 50-50 by NOI and about 60-40 by homes. So 60B, 40A in terms of number of homes, but 50-50 in terms of cash flow because of the higher rents on the A side. Today, we would be probably more like you know, two-thirds B, one-third A. Again, I'm winging it a little, Rob, but directionally that's accurate. Okay. And so to the question on would we pare that down. So one, we're happy to own things in the Twin Cities. We don't want to not do things that we think other people can't do because it's in a market we know really well and have a high degree of concentration. We are sensitive to concentration and will be opportunistic sellers of anything and everything. But as Barav called out in our outlook, we don't have any sales program this year in our plan. We're always seeking undisciplined buyers, and there's more out there than ever. So I would say it's plausible, but not likely we sell something in Minneapolis. And if we do so, it'll be to fund something else either here or elsewhere.

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Rob Stevenson

OK. I guess the only other question I have is that the 18.7 million of shares in the guidance, what did you guys end the year with? The weighted average was like 17.9. Does that assume like a $75 million issuance in 2022?

speaker
Mark

Yeah, I mean, no issuances in 2022 are picked up in the guidance. We ended close to just a little over 18 million shares, which is what's being picked up in 2022. in the shares in the guidance for 2022.

speaker
Rob Stevenson

Okay. So that's stock-based incentive or whatever the growth in the 700,000 extra shares or so? Okay.

speaker
Brika

And Rob, it's the OP unit. There's a couple hundred thousand shares equivalents in there from what we call the Min-3 acquisition, which is an OP unit deal. Okay. Thanks, guys. Appreciate the time. Thank you.

speaker
Operator

Thank you, Rob. We now have another question on the line from Alexander Goldfarb of Piper Sandler. So, Alexander, your line is open.

speaker
Rob

Thank you. Hey, good morning out there. And then just to clarify, is it one question and then get back in the queue, or we're allowed to ask a follow-up?

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Brika

Fire away. We'll cut you off if you get to seven questions.

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Rob

Okay, excellent, excellent. My kids usually cut me off after I ask them about how school was. So question, first question for you, you know, as far as looking at 2022, how much free rent are you burning off from last year? Or is the revenue guidance pretty much all, you know, face rent over face rent? To restate the question, are we burning off concessions? Yeah, yes.

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Ann Olson

Yeah. So we have very little use of concessions, and our lease rates that we're quoting the increases on are effective rents over effective rents. So that's a true kind of lease rate over lease rate. And we very sparingly use concessions. And if you recall, our markets were pretty strong, and we didn't have as much need for concessions through COVID.

speaker
Rob

Okay. So when we're looking at the revenue up 25% in St. Cloud or you know, I guess that's really the standout one. That's really rents are up 25% in that market.

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Ann Olson

Yeah, and part of that is, you know, we had some volatility in bad debt, so that could also be, you know, collections, late collections or deferred collections in that market. So that's total revenue, not just rental rates.

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Rob

Okay. And then the Minneapolis, the Twin Cities Exposure, at over a quarter of your portfolio, there have been obviously the headlines on the rent control, which I think is more in the city, not the suburbs. But still, when you look at other companies that have been overly exposed to just one market, your thoughts on having that much exposure? I know you guys tried to go for Nashville expansion to other markets as a slow process, but still, how do you weigh your Minneapolis exposure versus the rent control headlines versus just overall having that much concentration there.

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Brika

Man, I knew we couldn't get off this call without a Nashville bar. Thank you.

speaker
Rob

Listen, I owed it to Dan Santos to ask Nashville.

speaker
Brika

I agree. One, we are certainly focused on the concentration. I think the most concentrated set of NOI is Essex, which is, I think, north of 40 in the Bay Area. But people like the Bay Area better than Minneapolis for reasons I understand. So I say we're mindful of it but not afraid of it. In our minds, it's less risky to own more of something you know really well. We do want to get into other markets. We will continue to focus on Nashville. Nothing in our thesis there has broken down. You know, as it relates to rent control, St. Paul is the only municipality that actually has rent control. The rent control there is pretty egregiously bad. It stays with the unit. It doesn't change when you change your resident. The mayor there is on record recently trying to walk that back. It is, in our judgment, and I think broadly understood to be pretty poorly written and ill-conceived. That's a fact that I think the council and the mayor are starting to understand as people have stopped work on market rate projects. They've lost several thousand homes in St. Paul. It's our view that that might help inoculate to some extent Minneapolis, which just to be clear for everyone who isn't tracking the legislation here, what was voted in was the ability for the Minnesota or for the Minneapolis City Council to essentially Draft legislation on rent control, so the the the. voters didn't say we want rent control, they said, we want you city council to figure out what you could take as a proxy for maybe they want it, who knows. Our understanding the city council is it's 8858 who are against it five who are for it and for actually the St Paul version, which we think is terrible. The mayor has come out against it. So I would say when you look at what's happened in St. Paul, if you have a head on your shoulders and you want people to continue building things in Minneapolis, you're not going to do that. And we also have other issues in the city around law enforcement and lots of other things. So in terms of force ranking the priorities of the city council, it's unclear yet where this one will fit. There are lots of projects. I've been on several calls with council members where capital has pulled, uh, development capital because they're scared of what's going to happen here. And they're not, you know, they don't have to take the time to get into the why and wherefore of what all the landscape is. They just have lots of other markets to play in. And so they're doing that. So that message is being, uh, pretty well, uh, reinforced across the legislature. So, you know, that's a really long winded way of saying we're not concerned about it. Um, To some extent, it actually probably gives us more opportunity. So if we're looking at doing another no-coast style deal, we might have a little bit more pricing power than we did before because there's less institutions focused on this market because they don't understand it. But it's a risk. I mean, frankly, I think it's a risk everywhere. I know there's lots of states that would never have rent control, but if you have 30% plus rent bumps in Florida, at some point someone's going to say, hey, we can't do this. So I think broadly speaking, and we've talked about this in the past, you know, there's a legislative risk to housing everywhere. I would argue we know exactly what the risk is in Minneapolis, and to some extent that's less risky. But anyway, sorry for the long answer. No problem. Thank you, Mark.

speaker
Operator

We now have John Kim of BMO Capital Markets. So please go ahead, John. I've opened your line.

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John Kim

Thank you. Good morning. Can you just discuss the same store revenue growth that you had sequentially of 4%? It's not really quite evident from the occupancy loss and the 6.5% spreads you had on blended lease rates. Was this driven by resident relief funds or anything else that was sort of one time in nature?

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Ann Olson

Yeah, thanks, John. Yeah, we did have, as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, some volatility in those relief funds and the timing of those. And so that is part of what you're seeing there in those numbers sequentially is we collected 101% of expected revenue in the fourth quarter, some of which was just timing on receipt of collections.

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John Kim

And what's contemplated in guidance as far as additional... resident relief homes we have or the change in bed debt?

speaker
Mark

Yeah, I mean, from a guidance perspective, we are expecting it to normalize. So we expect to collect about 99.2% to 99.3% of our revenue. So it's in the guidance that's contemplated to go back to our normalized collection rate.

speaker
John Kim

Okay. And Bharath, you mentioned the increased share count in your guidance is not inclusive of any additional equity raises. But are you assuming at all as part of that increase additional OP transactions this year?

speaker
Mark

No, we haven't projected any acquisitions. And as a result, none of the additional share count is a result of OP issuances. Okay, great. Thank you.

speaker
Brika

Thanks, John.

speaker
Operator

Thank you. We now have another question on the line from Buckhorn of Raymond James. So, your line is open.

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Raymond James

Hey, thanks. Good morning. I wanted to ask maybe a little clarification question on the occupancy that you ended the fourth quarter with, just kind of to drop off. Maybe I realize you mentioned that there's some kind of post-COVID turnover. associated with that? Maybe just, you know, is that a sign of some sort of pushback on kind of the renewal increases or kind of planned turnover or, you know, any color in terms of how you're optimizing and planning for occupancy going into, you know, fiscal 22 and kind of how January is shaping up so far in terms of occupancy?

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Ann Olson

Yeah, thanks, Buck. You know, right now we're sitting at our year-to-date weighted average occupancy of 94.4, so we've already picked up, you know, some of what we were looking at. I think it's a confluence of a few things in the fourth quarter there. One would be, you know, as the rent relief funds came in and then tapered off in the eviction moratorium being gone, there was some kind of planned turnover or places where we needed to move residents on. We are getting pushback across the board. I think most people in the industry are on the rental increases. So, you know, we've seen a slight pickup in people renting other places as we continue to push those rents. And then we had, you know, about 40 basis points of value add in the fourth quarter there that is attributable to vacancy and that. So that's where you know, we want those units offline for that 30 days so we can renovate. We saw just a little slight uptick in that in the fourth quarter. But feeling good in January, you know, it's picking up. We feel like we have quite a bit of runway, both with respect to the lease rates and ability to push occupancy as we head into leasing season, where we will also see, you know, quite a bit of turnover.

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Raymond James

Got it. Got it. Very helpful. Okay, that's all I have for now. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Spock.

speaker
Operator

Thank you. We now have another follow-up question from Alexander Goldfarb of Piper Sandler. So please go ahead when you're ready.

speaker
Rob

Oh, yes. Hi. Just a quick follow-up. On the two swaps that you broke, I understand the existing swap, but the forward swap, presumably that was put in place in conjunction with some planned issuance, but just sort of curious the thoughts around You know, was that an issuance that was pulled or just a little bit more color? And then on the one that you broke, was there no option to assign that to a different piece of debt? Just curious.

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Brika

I'll start and then Barav can close with math if necessary. But those swaps were attached to some bank debt that we had done, I think, in 2018. Right, John?

speaker
Rob

17 and 18.

speaker
Brika

17 and 18. So before we had the ability to borrow 10-year duration money, the longest we could go on an unsecured basis was five and seven with the bank. So we did a five and a seven-year term loan. We fixed those using these derivatives. And then when we did the refi last August of the five and the seven-year term, and we redid our line. Essentially, everything that was originally attached at that point was in play. Our judgment at the time was we had no downside to assign those swaps. Obviously, rates moved quite a bit. I think it went from $8 or $9 million to break those to $3, $3. So at this point, we're not in the betting on rates game, but it was an easy bet in August. It was not a good bet in our judgment anymore and not kind of our business. So that was the business rationale. Do you want to add anything, Brough? Please do.

speaker
Mark

No, I think that covers it. Yeah, from our perspective, when we terminated the other swaps, there was little or no risk of holding on to these in case rates move upwards, and they did. So, you know, That's what triggered the termination.

speaker
Rob

Okay, cool. Thank you.

speaker
Raymond James

Yeah, thank you.

speaker
Operator

Thank you. We now have another question on the line from John Kim of BMO Capital Markets. So please go ahead, John. Your line is now open.

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John Kim

Hey, I was wondering if you could provide an update on your loss to lease and also what you're expecting as far as market rent growth as part of guidance?

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Ann Olson

Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I can. You know, our last lease right now is sitting just over 8% as we head into the peak leasing season, which we feel good about. In our guidance, our rental rate assumptions are, you know, kind of 2% at the very low end, which would be Oxbow in the rent control, where we're experiencing rent control in St. Paul, to 6% at the high end, which would be Denver. Okay.

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John Kim

Okay, and I know you guys present the new and renewal and effective lease growth rates on calls and in presentations, but I was wondering if that was something that you can provide in the supplements going forward.

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Ann Olson

Yeah, we can consider that. We'll review that for the next supplement.

speaker
Brika

We're going to take all the mystery out of these calls for you, John. I know.

speaker
John Kim

We'll run out of questions.

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Ann Olson

We have to keep you listening for something.

speaker
John Kim

Mark, you've said in the past that you were going to prioritize earnings growth over portfolio repositioning and improving the balance sheet. And I know you discussed getting to Nashville and some other markets, but I was wondering if you were going to take advantage or further take advantage of the strength of the market to accelerate some of those plans as far as market positioning and also... improvement of the balance sheet?

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Brika

Yeah, so as we noted in our prepared remarks, our forward debt to EBITDA is, I think, 7-1, which is the best the balance sheet's ever been, and our maturity schedule is really good. So while we do look at the magnificent seven, as you've dubbed them and I've repeated, and they're incredible balance sheets with covetous eyes, we're very happy with where the balance sheet is and we're not going to do anything. I mean, I think we can deliver by growing cash flow is probably our best tactic at the moment. But we certainly will be opportunistic on on asset sales. But ideally, what we'd like to do, as we have done in the past, is pair it with a with a buy we like, which should mute some of the dilutive impact of just a straight sale. I mean, that's really how we've been thinking about it. That's, you know, lessons learned over the last five years. We did a lot of sort of selling and then finding the use. That didn't work as well, as you might expect, as finding the use and then either finding the use, acquiring it, and then selling or doing it relatively contemporaneous. So that's really how we're thinking about it.

speaker
John Kim

And Mark, can you comment on cap rates, either in your targeted markets or in your non-core markets, how they've moved?

speaker
Brika

Yeah, I would say cap rates are kind of three and a quarter to four and a quarter across our markets, roughly. I mean, there might be a little bit higher than that in a few markets, but when you look at our portfolio and you look at our average rents and you look at our margins versus some of the recent sales. Obviously, Blackstone's made a lot of noise out there buying a couple portfolios that mathematically look a lot like ours. I mean, geographically different, which certainly I think matters as it relates to people's growth rate assumptions and how they do their math. But Fannie and Freddie look at a dollar the same way, sort of regardless of its origin. And so, you know, there's a really good bid out there for multifamily assets everywhere. And You know, the fundamentals of our markets are very good from a supply perspective and everything else. So pricing is strong. You know, we really look at cap rates and we also look at unlevered IRRs. I think in general, market clearing IRRs right now, which are riddled with assumptions, as you know, are kind of in that mid fives to six range. We don't see many things that we underwrite to north of six. where we can win. We can get into a lot of best of finals that way. You know, 5.6, 5.7, 5.8. You probably can take home the thing you're seeking. And that's on our math, relatively conservative assumptions. I mean, maybe someone's got a higher IRR with more growth or less reversion or what have you. But that's where we think assets are pricing today in our markets.

speaker
John Kim

Great. Thank you.

speaker
Brika

Thanks, John.

speaker
Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if you would like to ask any further questions, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypads.

speaker
Anne

Sounds like that's a wrap. Any more questions?

speaker
Operator

We have no further questions on the line.

speaker
Brika

Excellent. Well, then, in that case, we'd like to thank everyone. In particular, I want to welcome Barav, who we're excited to have here, and thank John Kirchman. As anyone who knows John knows, he's always one of the most interesting men in the room, and we all wish him the best of everything. So thank you, John. And thanks, everybody.

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Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.

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