Constellium SE

I will now hand over to your host, Jason Hershiser, Director of Investor Relations, to begin. Jason, please go ahead.

Thank you, Nadia. I would like to welcome everyone to our third quarter 2023 earnings call. On the call today, we have our Chief Executive Officer, John Mark Germain, and our Chief Financial Officer, Jack Guo. After the presentation, we will have a Q&A session. A copy of the slide presentation for today's call is available on our website at concilium.com. and today's call is being recorded. Before we begin, I'd like to encourage everyone to visit the company's website and take a look at our recent filings. Today's call may include forward-looking statements within the meeting of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements include statements regarding the company's anticipated financial and operating performance, future events, and expectations, and may involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties. For a summary of specific risk factors that could cause results to differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements, please refer to the factors presented under the heading Risk Factors in our annual report on Form 20F. All information in this presentation is as of the date of the presentation. We undertake no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statement as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, except as required by law. In addition, today's presentation includes information regarding certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please see the reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures attached in today's slide presentation, which supplement our IFRS disclosures. I would now like to hand the call over to John Mark.

Thank you, Jason. Good morning, good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for your interest in Constellium. Let's begin on slide five and discuss the highlights from our third quarter results. I'd like to start with safety, our number one priority. Our recordable case rate was higher in the third quarter, leading to a rate of 2.1 per million hours worked for the first nine months of the year. While the safety performance puts us among the best in manufacturing, the rate is higher than where we want it to be, and we have done better in the past. This is a humbling reminder that while always We strive to deliver best-in-class safety performance. We need to constantly maintain our focus on safety to achieve the ambitious targets we have set. It is a never-ending task for our company and one we take very seriously. Turning to our financial results, shipments were 369,000 tons, down 5% compared to the third quarter of 2022 due to lower shipments in each of our segments. Revenue of 1.7 billion euros decreased 15% compared to last year as improved price and mix was more than offset by lower shipments and lower metal prices. Remember, while our revenues are affected by changes in metal prices, we operate a pass-through business model which minimizes our exposure to metal price risk. Our value-added revenue, which reflects our sales excluding the cost of metal, was 704 million euros, up 5% compared to the same period last year. Our net income of 64 million euros in the quarter compares to net income of 131 million euros in the third quarter last year. As a reminder, the third quarter of last year included 142 million euros related to the recognition of deferred tax assets that were previously unrecognized. As you can see in the bridge on the top right, adjusted EBITDA of 168 million euros in the quarter was up 5% compared to last year and it is a new third quarter record for the company. ANT adjusted EBITDA is a new third quarter record as well and increased 34 million euros compared to last year. PARP adjusted EBITDA decreased 11 million euros and ASNI adjusted EBITDA decreased 9 million euros in the quarter compared to last year. Holdings and Corporate was a headwind of 6 million euros in the quarter. Looking across our end markets, aerospace demand remained very strong, with shipments up over 20% compared to last year. Automotive demand decelerated slightly during the quarter, but remained above prior year levels. Packaging shipments were down in the quarter, though canned stock demand appears to have stabilized following the last several quarters of destocking. We continue to experience weakness in most industrial markets, especially in Europe. We continue to face significant inflationary pressures, which Jack will discuss in more detail. But thanks to our pricing power, contractual protection, improved mix, and solid execution by our team, we are managing the current environment well. Moving now to free cash flow. Our free cash flow in the quarter was strong at 78 million euros. This does not include the proceeds which were received from the sale of our soft alloy extrusion business in Germany, which I am very pleased was closed at the end of September. As you can see on the bottom right of the slide, our leverage at the end of the quarter was 2.5 times, which is an important milestone for the company. Our free cash flow generation and EBITDA growth allows us to naturally deliver further over time and over the long term we look to have a more balanced approach to capital allocation. Overall, I'm very proud of our third quarter performance. Looking forward, we like our end market positioning, and we are optimistic about our prospects for the remainder of this year and beyond. Looking at the balance of 2023, macroeconomic and geopolitical risks remained elevated, and we expect inflationary pressures to continue. While we were not impacted by the UAW strike in the third quarter, we do expect some impact in the fourth quarter. Despite these pressures, as well as continued weakness across several of our end markets, we are maintaining our prior guidance. We expect to finish 2023 with adjusted EBITDA in the range of €700 to €720 million, which would be a new record for the company. and we continue to expect free cash flow in excess of 150 million euros in 2023. We also remain confident in our ability to deliver our long-term target of adjusted EBITDA of over 800 million euros in 2025. With that, I will now hand the call over to Jack for further details on our financial performance.

Jack? Thank you, Jean-Marc, and thank you, everyone, for joining the call today. Please turn now to slide seven. Value-added revenue was €704 million in the third quarter of 2023, up 5% compared to the same quarter last year. Looking at the third quarter, €102 million of this increase was due to improved price and mix in each of our segments. Volume was a headwind of €30 million due to lower shipments in each of our segments. Metal impacts were a headwind of €17 million compared to the same period last year. The balance of the change was largely due to unfavorable FX translation of 24 million euros due to the weakening of the U.S. dollar. There are two important takeaways from the slide. First, we grew our value-added revenue by 5% compared to last year. And second, we continue to have pricing towers. Price and mix and price specifically continues to be the biggest increment of our year-over-year variance and helped us offset significant inflationary pressures. Now turn to slide A, and let's focus on PARP segment performance. Adjusted EBITDA of 67 million euros decreased 14% compared to the third quarter of last year. Volume was a headwind of 4 million euros with higher shipments in automotive, more than offset by lower shipments in packaging and specialty world products. Automotive shipments increased 6% in a quarter versus last year as we continue to benefit from higher build rates and penetration of aluminum in automotive. Packaging shipments decreased 5% in a quarter versus last year due to inventory adjustments across the supply chain in both North America and Europe and lower demand at the consumer level. Price and mix was a tailwind of 40 million euros primarily on improved contract pricing, including inflation-related pass-throughs. Costs were a headwind of 43 million euros as a result of higher operating costs due to inflation. Operating challenges at Muscle shows though the situation is continuing to improve and on favorable metal costs. FX translation, which is non-cash, was a headwind of 4 million euros in a quarter due to a weaker US dollar. Now turn to slide nine. Let's focus on the A&T segment. Adjusted EBITDA of 79 million euros increased 76% compared to the third quarter last year. Volume was a headwind of 5 million euros as higher aerospace shipments were more than offset by lower TID shipments in the quarter. Aerospace shipments were up 21% versus last year as the recovery in aerospace markets continues. Shipments in TID were down 17% versus last year, reflecting a slowdown in most industrial markets, particularly in Europe. Price and mix was a tailwind of 58 million euros of improved contract pricing, including inflation-related pass-throughs and a stronger mix with more aerospace. Costs were a headwind of 15 million euros as a result of higher operating costs, mainly due to inflation. FX Translation was a headwind of €4 million in the quarter. Now, let's turn to slide 10 and focus on the AS&I segment. Adjusted EBITDA of €26 million decreased 27% compared to the third quarter last year. Volume was a €13 million headwind with lower shipments in both automotive and industry. Automotive shipments decreased slightly in the quarter versus last year due to the timing impact between certain program switches and some short-term supply chain disruptions tied to certain programs which we serve, but the overall demand remained healthy. Industry shipments were down 22% in the quarter versus last year as a result of weaker market conditions in Europe. Price and mix was a 16 billion euro tailwind primarily due to improved contract pricing, including inflation-related past dues. Costs were a headwind of 11 million euros, a higher operating cost mainly due to inflation. It's not on the slide, but I wanted to conclude with a quick comment on Holdings and Corporate. In the quarter, Holdings and Corporate was a headwind of 6 million euros, as Jean-Marc noted. The negative result was related to a number of one-off adjustments in the third quarter of last year that did not repeat this year. Now turn to slide 11, where I want to give an update on the current inflationary environment we're facing and our focus on pricing and cost control to offset these pressures. In the third quarter, and as expected, we continued to experience broad-based and significant inflationary pressures across our business. As you know, we operate a pass-through business model, so we're not materially exposed to the changes in the market price of aluminum. our largest cost input. While we remain confident about the security of supply, some of it does come at a higher cost. In addition, labor and other non-metal costs continue to be higher this year, particularly European energy. As previously noted, we purchased energy on a multi-year rolling forward basis, which has helped us to mitigate some of the energy cost pressures and helped us to smooth out some of the steep increases in costs. As a reminder, Our 2023 energy costs are largely secured, but at higher average prices. Both electricity and gas forward energy prices in Europe have come down from their 2022 peaks, but still remain well above historical averages. Given these cost pressures, we continue to work across a number of fronts and mitigate their impact on our results. We have demonstrated strong cost performance in the past years and we will continue our relentless focus, including continued execution of our previously announced Vision 25 initiative. Across the company, we're working to increase our efficiency, reduce our consumption of expensive inputs, and lower our fixed costs. As we previously noted, many of our existing contracts have inflationary protections, such as PPI inflators or surcharge mechanisms, and where they do not, we're working with our customers to include them. We have made very good progress across all of our end markets. As you can see in the bridge on the right, in the first nine months of this year, we were very successful with price and mix, the largest increment in price in offsetting inflationary pressures. As of today, we still expect inflationary pressures to remain significant. We continue to believe that we will be able to offset most of this cost pressure in 2023 and the rest in future periods with a combination of the tools we noted and our relentless focus on cost control. The net impact of inflation and other cost increases and the actions we're taking to offset them are included in our guidance for 2023. Before turning to the next slide, I also want to point out the FX impact in our results. As you can see in the bridge, FX was a headwind of 10 million euros in the first nine months of this year, given the weaker US dollar of which 9 million euros was in the third quarter. Now let's turn to slide 12 and discuss our free cash flow. We generated 78 million euros of free cash flow in the third quarter, bringing our year to day total to 112 million euros. As you can see on the bottom left of the slide, we continue to build our track record of generating consistent and strong free cash flow. Looking at 2023, we continue to expect to generate free cash flow in excess of 150 million euros for the full year, which is in line with our previous guidance. Now let's turn to slide 13 and discuss our balance sheet on liquidity position. At the end of the third quarter, our net debt was 1.8 billion euros. This is down approximately 140 million euros compared to the end of 2022, and down 100 million euros compared to last quarter as a result of strong free cash flow generation and the proceeds we received from the sale of our soft alloy extrusion business in Germany in a quarter. During the quarter, we used the cash on the balance sheet to reduce our short-term borrowings and to redeem $50 million of our 5.875% U.S. dollar bonds due in 2026, further strengthening our balance sheet. Our leverage reached a multi-year low of 2.5 times at the end of the third quarter, which is down 0.5 times versus the end of the third quarter last year, and now at the upper end of our target leverage range. We remain committed to maintaining our target leverage range of 1.5 to 2.5 times. As you can see in our debt summary, we have no bond maturities until 2026, and our liquidity remains strong at 746 million euros as of the end of the third quarter. We're extremely proud of the progress we have made on our capital structure and of the financial flexibility we're building. I will now hand the call back to Jean-Marc.

Thank you, Jack. Let's turn to slide 15 and discuss our current end market outlook. The majority of our portfolio today is serving end markets currently benefiting from durable, sustainability-driven secular growth. The important takeaway here is that aluminum is a catalyst behind the circular growth, given its sustainable attributes. Aluminum is infinitely recyclable and does not lose its properties when recycled. As a result, aluminum will play a critical role in the circular economy and will be a driver of growth in lightweighting, electrification, and sustainable packaging. Turning first to packaging, inventory adjustments continued across the supply chain in both North America and Europe. early in the quarter, but now appear largely behind us and canned stock demand has stabilized. We are still seeing demand weakness in both regions as a result of the current inflationary environment, the lack of promotional activity, and following a multi-year period of rapid growth during COVID. Even in today's environment, where we are seeing weaker demand in packaging markets, aluminum cans continue to outperform and win share, against other substrates like plastic and glass. We are confident in the long-term outlook for this end market, given capacity growth plans from both can makers in both regions, the greenfield investments ongoing here in North America, and the growing consumer preference for the sustainable aluminum beverage can. Longer term, we continue to expect packaging markets to grow low to mid single digits in both North America and Europe. who will participate in its growth in both regions, as announced at our analyst day last year. We are encouraged by the improved performance we have seen recently at Muscle Shoals, and we remain confident in our ability to restore the plant's profitability heading into next year. I am also pleased to report that the recycling center we are building at our Neuf-Prisac facility in Europe is well underway, and both on time and on budget. Turning now to automotive. Demand decelerated slightly during the quarter, but remains above prior year levels. As I mentioned before, we were not impacted by the UAW strike in the third quarter, but we do expect some impact in the fourth quarter. OEM sales and production numbers globally have increased the last several quarters, but remain well below pre-COVID levels. Automotive inventories are low. Consumer demand remains steady. and vehicle electrification and sustainability trends will continue to drive the demand for lightweighting and use of aluminum products. As a result, we remain very positive on this market. Let's turn now to aerospace. The recovery in aerospace continued in the quarter, with shipments up over 20% versus last year, though still well below pre-COVID levels. Major OEMs have announced bill rate increases in the short term and the desire for further increases in the medium term. We remain confident that the long-term fundamentals driving aerospace demand remain intact, including growing passenger traffic and greater demand for new, more fuel-efficient aircraft. Demand remains strong in the business and regional jet markets and the defense and space markets. In addition, we continue to experience strong demand for our airwear family of products. As the chart on the left side of the page highlights, these three core end markets represent 77% of our last 12 months' revenue. We like the fundamentals in each of these markets, and as I have said in the past, we like our hand and the options it affords us. Turning lastly to other specialties, We expect weakness to continue in most industrial markets, and in general, these markets are dependent on the health of the industrial economies in each region. Overall, demand has been more stable in North America than in Europe. In TID rolled products, demand remains generally healthy in markets like defense and North American transportation. In industry exclusions, demand remains weak across industrial markets . Constellium is well positioned today with our diverse and balanced portfolio to capture the secular growth fueled by sustainability. In summary, we continue to like the prospects for the end markets we serve, and we strongly believe that the diversification of our end markets is an asset for the company. Turning to slide 16, we detail our key messages and financial guidance. Constellium delivered strong performance again in the third quarter. I'm very proud of our entire team as they achieved solid operational performance and strong cost control despite a number of challenges, including significant inflationary pressures. We generated strong free cash flow in the quarter and we reduced our leverage to 2.5 times, which is an important milestone for the company. As we look ahead, we like our end market positioning and we are optimistic about our prospects for the remainder of this year and beyond. Looking at the balance of 2023, Macroeconomic geopolitical risks remain elevated, and we expect inflationary pressures to continue. While we are not impacted by the UAW strike in the third quarter, we do expect some impact in the fourth quarter. Despite these pressures, as well as continued weakness across several of our end markets, we are maintaining our prior guidance. We expect to finish 2023 with adjusted EBITDA in the range of 700 to 720 million euros, which would be a new record for the company, and we continue to expect free cash flow in excess of 150 million euros in 2023. I also want to reiterate our long-term guidance for adjusted EBITDA in excess of 800 million euros in 2025, and our commitment to maintain our target leverage range of 1.5 to 2.5 times. To conclude, let me say again that I'm very proud of our results and very excited about our future. We have demonstrated over and over again that we have the right strategy, the right teams, and the right products in the right markets. Our business model is flexible and resilient. Our diversified portfolio allows us to always have options in very different market conditions. We have built the balance sheet we need to both weather crises and seize opportunities. And our high value recyclable and sustainable products respond to the growing needs of our customers and society. We're extremely well positioned for long-term success, and we remain focused on shareholder value creation. With that, Nadia, we will now open the Q&A session, please.

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question today, please press star followed by 1 on your telephone keypad. If you choose to retract your question, please press star followed by 2. When preparing to ask your question, please ensure your phone is unmuted locally. And our first question today goes to Katya Jancik of BMO Capital Markets. Katya, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Hi. Thank you for taking my questions. Maybe starting off with, you know, your leverage now is at 2.5 times. Can you talk a bit about how you're thinking about potential shareholder return policy?

Yeah, absolutely, Katya. So, well, first of all, we're extremely proud of our focus on the leveraging, you know, having achieved a very important milestone, as you know. I think at this point, the focus is kind of pivoting more towards a balanced capital allocation program, which includes still, you know, a focus on the leverage, but also shareholder returns. So in terms of the status, you know, we are in active discussions with our board. Although a decision hasn't been made yet, you can count on us working extremely hard on what and how that could look like, and we'll make a decision on that in the not-too-distant future.

Okay. And then looking to 2024, and I understand that it's still early and you haven't provided any guidance, but can you discuss some of the puts and takes we should be thinking about?

Yeah, gotcha. I think it's useful to look at our guidance for 23, our guidance for 25, and obviously 24 in the middle. So we think we're going to finish the year strong, and we feel very comfortable about our more than 800 million in 2025. What gets us there is we see a continued strength in aerospace. We see automotive being solid to even. The UAW strike would have an impact in Q4, but shouldn't last long into 2024, I would hope. And we see continued adoption of aluminum in automotive. So automotive, the trend should be still positive. We're getting close to full capacity in all products. And as you can see in our results now, AS&I still has a bit of room to grow further. So that should help us in 2024 and 2025. CanSheet has been a difficult year. I mean, it's been 12 months of difficulty. But we are seeing the demand for CanSheet stabilizing and resuming some growth. So that should help us going into 2025 and therefore some upside in 2024. And finally, so that's a different market. Finally, the specialty markets were not expecting any recovery anytime soon, but we feel that the main markets were in automotive, aerospace, can sheet. And the very strong actions we've taken on pricing as well as, sorry, cost control are going to position us well to reach our more than $800 million in 2025. And therefore, we expect to see some progress towards that goal in 2024.

Perfect.

Thank you so much.

You're welcome. Thank you. And the next question goes to Bill Peterson of JP Morgan. Bill, please, your headline is open.

Yeah, hi. Thanks for taking my questions. And nice to see, you know, good execution amid a tough, you know, mixed and tough demand environment. My first question is on autos. So I was hoping if you could help. You're welcome. I was hoping you could help quantify some of the impacts related to the UAW strike. I guess, you know, with the context, it seems like half your auto exposure is in the U.S. and maybe presumably less is to the Detroit Big Three. But I guess how should we think about volume impacts with that and maybe even beyond typical seasonality, which I believe is around a 5% decline Q2 and Q in fourth quarter? And then is there any difference between auto body sheet versus extrusions?

Yep. Bill, good question. Yes, so to your question, as you pointed out, so automotive is, you know, less than 30% of our sales. We have more exposure in Europe than we do in North America. And within North America, we sell to about every OEM. So the Detroit 3 are, you know, a portion, but not that big in the totality. And GM, specifically, I think we've commented on this in the past, is a, you know, GM and Stellantis are smaller, much smaller than and for this so in that context you know the sheer amount of you know volume that's at risk is quite limited now obviously we'd rather the uaw strike not take place but it is not a material impact to us uh going forward but it will have we're calling it out because it will have some some impact in q4 and you're right There is a seasonality as well in automotive. Actually, Q3 is impacted by seasonality. I mean, you have shutdowns in July or August, depending on the continent. And you have also some reduced operations in the fourth quarter. So did I answer your question?

Yeah. Is there any difference between sheet versus extrusions?

Oh, yes. So we are a little bit more quickly exposed to extrusion than we are to sheet, because the sheet, when the extrusion products, typically most of them go directly on the car as it is assembled. So the delivery point to the assembly line, whilst the sheet goes through a stamping and other processes before it gets on the car. So there's a little bit of a lag here.

Okay, okay, makes sense.

Yep, go ahead.

Okay, okay, great. Yeah, and the next question on aerospace, you point out the demand outlook remains strong. I'm thinking you guys typically have good line of sight in the commercial production rates in advance, but we also heard from Boeing this morning that they plan to increase 737 production by year end as well as, you know, 787 production. Would you say that this is already anticipated or would you say that you could even see acceleration in your business or demand pull through and potentially margin benefit as a result of increased production?

No, I think typically this is not new news for us. The parts we make takes between six months and two years in the time we ship them and the time they are on an aircraft. that's going to fly. So we've got quite a bit of visibility, as you said, and this is not new news to us. So we feel very comfortable about the strength of the business this year and going into next year and even 2025. If anything, we see a little bit of hiccups in the supply chain. There's plenty of parts that go into making an aircraft, and some of these parts, not our aluminum, but are a little bit challenged in terms of the suppliers being able to ramp up to the desired levels that the OEMs are communicating to the supply chain. So, if anything, we see maybe a little bit of a holdback and some pent-up demand building up for 24 and 25. Okay.

Thanks for the color. Let's hope that Q3 marks the trough for especially packaging shipments, but I look forward to watching the progress.

Thank you.

Thank you. And the next question goes to Corinne Blanchard of Deutsche Bank. Corinne, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning, Jean-Marc and Jack. Maybe the first question, could you try, so you maintain the EBITDA guidance. Could you walk us through maybe the key second foot to see a downside risk to the guidance, meaning like what would it take to see a miss or like a very low end of the guidance range called fork shift?

Corinne, good morning. We do not see a risk to our guidance. I mean, we are 10 months into the year. We've got pretty good line of sight. There's this UAW uncertainty, but it's not, as I said earlier, such a big amount. So, no, we feel like our guidance is quite balanced. Jack, anything you want to add?

Yep. So, good morning, Corinne. So, I think, yeah, we're confident about meeting our four-year guidance. And if you kind of just think about some of the drivers, you look at the end market, you know, aerospace will continue to outperform. For automotive, there'll be some impact from the UAW strike in North America and a little bit of slower growth in Europe. But still, you know, the market is generally healthy and doesn't, you know, change the fundamentals in the automotive market. You know, for Kent, so Kent stock actually has been running at a pretty stable level. You know, our overall packaging business was adversely impacted by the specialty packaging mix within the packaging industry. portfolio, but Kent stock has been more stable and we're cautiously optimistic there. And then, you know, obviously industrial specialties business will continue to see some weaknesses, especially in Europe. But, you know, when you kind of step outside of the end market expectations, you know, we'll continue to focus on operational excellence and cost control. And we'll continue to benefit from, you know, a price-mix benefit being a bigger offset than the cost increase, you know, similar to kind of what we've seen in the second quarter and the third quarter. So, hopefully, that gives you a little bit of color.

All right. Thank you. That's very cool. And then maybe the follow-up question on this are short. You're still having some operational challenges. When do you expect that to turn around?

Yeah, Corinne, so we talked about, we've been talking about it for a year, and we said it would take a good year, and that's where we are. So we are pleased with some progress we've made. We still have more to do, but we think we're going to see improved performance and improved financials going into 2024.

All right, thank you. And specifically, one of the big issues we have was labor.

And the labor situation has greatly improved in terms of our ability to attract and retain talent and be able to train them so that the performance of our workforce overall whose experience gets better.

So I look at 2024 with quite a bit of optimism.

All right. Thank you. That's it for me.

Thank you, Corinne.

Thank you. And the next question goes to Josh Sullivan of the Benchmark Company. Josh, please go ahead.

Your line is open. Hey, good morning. Just on the aerospace side, you talked about nine months to two-year lead times. Any sense of building aluminum inventories ahead of rate increases? Historically, we'd see aerospace OEMs fill the supply chain and work through the build rate. You did mention some comments there about the supply chain in 24. But any inventory dynamics around aerospace we should think about heading into 24?

I don't think so, Josh. If you look at what happened in the downturn of COVID, the build rates went down maybe 30%, and our shipments went down 50% on a quite sustainable basis. So I think we're just seeing the inventories being replenished in line with what is needed for the supply chain to operate. So I wouldn't call it, you know, it is restocking, but it is still restocking to levels that are not comfortable enough for the supply chain overall, if that makes sense.

Yeah, no, that does. And then one on the automotive side, you know, just the Blue Oval facility, you know, the new BEV, F-150 product, any reason to think that steel could make some inroads versus aluminum? Or what do you see at Blue Oval as it comes together that encourages more aluminum down minutes going forward?

I don't want to comment on specific programs, but we see that overall there is still a need for light weighting. And the bigger the vehicle is, the more critical it is. to lightweight that vehicle. That's where you get the benefits and where you can afford the benefits of it because the price of the vehicle is such that you want to get good overall performance for that vehicle.

Got it. And just one last one on the European industrial outlook. Any particular markets which are weaker or stronger than others?

So they're quite weak, all of them, except for the defense market. And we're seeing building and construction is slowing down greatly. I mean, you may have seen some of our competitors or peers reporting, you know, very significant declines in European activity. Germany is not doing very well. France is doing a bit better. But the overall sentiment is reasonably gloomy. It's all factored in our guidance. We were expecting this anyway. So it's not that it's getting worse than what we thought early in the year. We've been quite prudent about it. And we are not forecasting an improvement in 2024 or 2025, right? So our renewed guidance doesn't rest on hope that the European markets improve.

Great. Thank you for the time. Thanks, Josh.

Thank you. And as a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. And our next question goes to Sean Wondrak of Deutsche Bank. Sean, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Hi, John, Mark, and Jack. And congratulations on hitting this leverage target. I know you've been gunning for it for a while, and it's great to see you guys have reached it now.

Thank you, Sean. We're very happy we have.

So I guess just to that point, right, when I look at your ratings relative to kind of your leverage and your guidance and even your leverage target, there seems to be a bit of a mismatch there. So I was curious how your conversations have been with the rating agencies and any comments you could make there, please.

Yes.

So, Sean, it's a good comment and observation, and thank you for that. Yes, I mean, I think, you know, the conversations have been quite constructive. You know, we do have positive outlooks from both S&P and Moody's, if I'm not mistaken. And, you know, we think there's some opportunities for an upgrade sometime next year.

That's good to hear. And just in terms of the near term sort of outlook for capital allocation, I realize, you know, going forward at some point, it's going to become more balanced between debt and equity. But do you think it's possible, you know, we could see leverage continue to creep down from two and a half turns right now?

Yes, Sean. I mean, as we said, this company naturally delivers, right? We generate free cash flow, quite significantly free cash flow. And we can have a very balanced capital allocation policy that allows us to seize a few more opportunities through capital expenditures for organic growth and continue to reduce our net and gross debt and return money to shareholders. So we do see a natural path to continue deleveraging, and that's why we want to stay in our range of 2.5 to 1.5, right?

That's great. Thank you very much, and good luck.

Thanks, Sean.

Thank you, Sean.

Thank you. We have no further questions, and I'll hand back to Jean-Marc Germain, CEO, for any closing comments.

Thank you, Nadia, and thank you, everyone, for attending the call. In conclusion, I just want to say, you know, if I step back, I look at, you know, Custodium and our portfolio of markets. We have two markets really that are clicking. It's aerospace and mainly Europe. automotive and mainly North America. And despite an environment which is a little bit subdued on the market side, you can see that our company is having its best year ever, its best third quarter ever. We're looking at going forward at can-sheet stabilizing and we are very proud of the performance we have registered in Q3 and throughout this year and we look to the future with great confidence and I look forward to update you on our progress in February and talk about the balance capsule allocation model.

Thank you very much, everyone. Have a good day. Bye-bye.

Thank you. This now concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.