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spk12: Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the CTO Realty Growth fourth quarter 2023 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. We'll then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I'd now like to hand the conference over to your host today, Matt Partridge, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.
spk08: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for
spk09: the CTO Realty Growth fourth quarter and full year 2023 operation results conference call. With me today is our CEO and president, John Albright. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that many of our comments today are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities law. The company's actual future results may differ significantly from the matters discussed in these forward-looking statements and we undertake no duty to update these statements. Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are disclosed from time to time in greater detail in the company's form 10K, form 10Q, and other SEC filings. You can find our SEC reports, earnings release, quarterly supplemental, and those recent investor presentation on our website at ctoreeve.com. With that, I'll now turn the call over to John.
spk18: Thanks, Matt, and good morning, everyone. We had a terrific fourth quarter of execution in nearly all aspects of our business, resulting in core FFO and AFFO per share growth of 41%, which was meaningfully ahead of our expectations and consensus estimates. Our strong fourth quarter drove a significant beat above the top end of our previously provided full year guidance. Fueled by fourth quarter same property NOI growth of 4.7%, better than expected tenant retention and property level NOI at some of our more recently acquired properties that are not included in our same property statistics. Continued strength in leasing, where we generated comparable rent spreads of nearly 18% during the quarter and .5% for the year. And beneficial timing related to the flurry of dispositions we had to finish 2023. Overall, I'm pleased that the way our team executed as we worked our way back from some unexpected tenant departures early last year, I'm happy to say we're continuing to see that positive momentum carry forward into the first quarter of 2024, where we've had a very strong couple of months. The supply demand balance that many people have highlighted as a multi-year tailwind for retail helped drive our strong leasing activity during the quarter. This is evidenced by our signing of nearly 100,000 square feet of new leases, renewals, options and extensions, an average rent of $32.66 per square foot. To put that into perspective, this per square foot value for the fourth quarter was at least 23% higher than the average rent achieved in the first, second or third quarters of 2023. In addition to our ability to push rates, quality of the leasing during the fourth quarter was relatively widespread, with the collection at Forsyte and West Broad Village seeing the most activity in more than half of the rents coming from leading brands such as REI, Fidelity, UBS, Ford's Garage and J.Crew. Our 18% comparable growth in new cash-based rents versus expiring rents is going to help push same store NOI in 2024 and even more so in 2025, when we'll get the full benefit of some of the larger leases signed on acquired vacancy when we lapped over the natural timing disruption. For the full year, the quality of our locations, strong demographics and targeted lease-up strategies allowed us to sign nearly half a million square feet of leases, resulting in our signed but not open pipeline totaling more than 6% of the portfolio cash-based rents and it's growing. We ended the year with a modest increase to occupancy, finishing at .3% and leased occupancy increased to 93.3%, both of which are a testament to our leasing activity, given that we've largely been selling 100% occupied assets. During the fourth quarter, we sold six properties for $64 million at a weighted average ex-decap rate of 7.8%. These dispositions include a community shopping center in Fort Worth, Texas, a small format retail property in Henderson, Nevada, three single-tenant retail out parcels at our Crossroads Town Center in Chandler, Arizona and one of our two remaining single-tenant office properties. For the full year, we sold nine properties for $87 million at a weighted average ex-decap rate of .5% and generated total gains of sales of 6.6 million. On the investment front, it was relatively quiet period. However, throughout 2023, we invested $80 million into four retail properties and one land parcel and originated two first mortgage investments totaling $30 million. In aggregate, we've invested at a blended going in cash yield of 7.7%, which is notably above our 2023 disposition cap rate that was negatively impacted by the higher exit cap rates on two office property sales. As we close the book on 2023 and shift our focus on 2024, I'm very excited about some of the recent activity in our portfolio and the investment opportunities we're seeing in the market. From a transactions perspective, we are under contract with a non-refundable deposit to sell our mixed use property in Santa Fe, New Mexico for $20 million. We anticipate this sale will close before the end of the quarter and the proceeds from this sale combined with restricted cash and seller financing proceeds from the most recent office sale, give us dry powder to acquire larger format retail properties that are more core to our strategy. To put some context around the early 2024 positive momentum, Pauliton Row, an established food hall experience in Atlanta and Culinary Dropout, a well-known sandbox restaurant concept, both opened at Ashford Lane this month. And Fogadah Chow just opened last week to a very strong reception at West Broad Village in Richmond. Together, just these three tenants combined for approximately $1.4 million in annual base rent. In addition, just in the past week, we signed a ground lease on the undeveloped 10 acres we purchased less than six months ago that is adjacent to the collection at Forsyth. In the same week, we sold our remaining non-income producing subsurface insurance for a gross proceeds of $5 million, which we intend to tax efficiently redeploy into an investment acquisition. With that, I'll let Matt highlight our portfolio, go into details about 2023 financial results and provide some more specifics regarding our 2024 guidance. And then we'll open it up for questions. Matt.
spk09: Thanks, John. We ended the year with 20 properties totaling 3.7 million square feet of leasable space in eight states and 12 markets. Our portfolio continues to be concentrated in some of the fastest growing areas of the Sun Belt, with Atlanta and Dallas now representing 50% of our annualized base rent. And the majority of our other markets are in higher growth population states, such as Texas, Florida, Arizona, and North Carolina. Recent disposition activities have allowed us to decrease the standalone office exposure in our portfolio to less than 5% at year end 2023 compared to 10% at year end 2022. And our top tenant list continues to increase in quality, with Whole Foods, Publix, Dick's Sporting Goods, Darden Restaurants, Best Buy, TJ Maxx Home Goods, AMC, Fidelity, and Ross Dress for Less, all solidified as top 10 tenants. Our earnings for the fourth quarter of 2023 surpassed expectations, with Core FFO per share demonstrating its fourth consecutive quarter of acceleration, coming in at 48 cents per share, representing a .2% increase compared to the fourth quarter of 2022. And fourth quarter 2023, AFFO was 52 cents per share, representing a .5% increase over the fourth quarter of 2022. Q4 Core FFO and AFFO year over year comparisons benefited from better tenant retention, higher rents, and better NOI flow through at many of our recently acquired properties. A .7% increase in same property NOI, most notably driven by strong percentage rents at our Daytona Beach restaurants, and the full year benefits from the repositioning and lease up of Ashford Lane, lease termination payments related to tenants who previously vacated, increased interest income from the make up and size of our structured investments portfolio, and growth and management fees and dividend income. The strength in our results was partially offset by higher interest expense and increased income taxes, as well as the full year effects of our December 2022 common equity rates. For the year, Core FFO was $1.77 per share, and AFFO was $1.91 per share, representing a year over year per share growth of 2% and 4% respectively when compared to 2022. After accounting for the impact of the three for one stock split in 2022, AFFO per share in 2023 represents an all time record year for the company since it converted to a REIT in 2020. As we previously announced, the company paid a fourth quarter regular cash dividend of 38 cents per share in December, resulting in a Q4 2023 AFFO payout ratio of 73%. And earlier this week, the company declared its first quarter 2024 regular common stock cash dividend of 38 cents per share, which is payable on March 28th and is shareholders of record on March 14th. This is the company's 48th consecutive year of declaring a common dividend, and the 38 cents per share represents a very attractive current annualized yield of approximately 9.2%. During the fourth quarter, we maintained our opportunistic approach to capital allocation, repurchasing more than 14,000 shares of our Series A preferred stock at an average price of $18.40 per share. This represents a 26% discount to liquidation preference, and we also repurchased over 62,000 shares of our common stock at an average price of $15.72 per share, which has an effective annualized yield on cost of 9.7%. As part of our approach to balance sheet and interest rate management, we entered into a new $50 million forward starting interest rate swap agreement to fix SOFR at an average fixed swap rate of .85% for the period between February 2024 and January 2028. This locks in nearly all of our remaining variable interest rate exposure on our balance sheet at a current all-in fixed rate of 5.45%, which is approximately 150 basis points below the current floating interest rate. We ended the year with net debt to total enterprise value of 51%, and our net debt to performing EBITDA improved quarter over quarter to 7.6 times. With the more than 150 million of total liquidity from available cash, restricted cash, and undrawn revolver commitments, as well as the anticipated proceeds from our Santa Fe property sale, we're well positioned to be opportunistic in the transaction market this year. Turning to our 2024 guidance, we expect core FFO to be between $1.56 to $1.64 per diluted share, and AFFO is forecasted to be between $1.70 and $1.78 per diluted share. We're anticipating investment activity between 100 and 150 million at a weighted average initial investment yield of .75% to 8.25%, and our disposition guidance assumes 75 million to 125 million of asset sales at a weighted average exit cap rate between .5% and 8.25%. Our assumptions for 2024, which conservatively contemplates cash flow disruption related to the timing of our dispositions and investments, also includes very strong lease up assumptions for the current portfolio. Before taking into account our transaction activities, we're projecting lease occupancy to be between 95% and 96% by year end, implying gains of approximately 200 to 300 basis points during the year, which would be a strong tailwind for 2025. Same property NOI in 2024 is forecasted to increase between 2% to 4%, which is most materially impacted by the loss rent from WeWork in 2024, and our expectation that there will be timing disruption between when some of our known lease expirations occur and when the replacement tenants rent commenced. Both of these drugs in 2024 are expected to reverse and provide incremental growth in 2025. Part of our guidance assumptions, we've maintained credit loss reserves between 75 and 100 basis points of property level revenue, which is consistent with our historical run rate, and we're not currently projecting any additional share issuances or repurchases. And finally, as John mentioned, our Signed But Not Open, or S&O, pipeline continues to grow, representing $4.5 million of incremental feature-based rent, or more than 6% of our current portfolios cash-based rent. Combined with the positive leasing momentum, potential upside to our guidance from the timing of transactions and the long-term benefits of our asset management and technology initiatives, we're setting the stage for a strong 2024 and the potential for a milestone year in 2025. With that, I'll now turn it back over to the operator to open the line for questions.
spk12: As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question at this time, please press star 1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.
spk02: Our first question comes from a line
spk12: of Flores Van Dykem with Compass Point.
spk14: Hey, morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. John, obviously you guys got a lot of things moving and happy, I think investors are probably happy to see you get rid of some of that office exposure, which appears to be unloved in the markets today. Maybe if you could talk a little bit about your other initiatives that you've been doing, including bringing the property management in-house, I believe in Atlanta, are there steps underway to do the same thing in Dallas and what kind of uplift could investors expect going forward from these kinds of initiatives?
spk18: Yeah, thanks, Flores. I'll let Matt talk about the uplift, but as far as structure, we do have an expanding team in Atlanta. It's been very successful and beneficial to us having people on the ground and a lot of efficiencies there, especially just people with an owner's eye on our properties there. And given that we've had all these restaurant openings with the Appalachian Food Hall is just open, Colony Dropout just open, it's just really been critical to have people there on the ground and very helpful. And with regards to Dallas, we're starting a little bit of that process. We don't have quite as large a presence there as in Atlanta, but you could see that sort of opportunity as well down the road.
spk09: Hey Flores, it's Matt. From an uplift perspective, I think Atlanta probably provides at least one to two cents a share and that's without a more focused team probably getting some economies of scale in terms of bidding out cohesive contracts for the entire portfolio in the market. So there's probably upside to that one to two cents.
spk14: Thanks, and maybe if I could follow through as well, the S&O pipeline, I think you indicated it's four and a half million of ABR, around 6% of your ABR. When is the timing of that coming online and does that include back, presumably that does not include the backfills for WeWork or the theater in North Carolina, but if you can give us a little bit more color on the timing and also in those two particular spaces, what's happening on backfilling those?
spk09: Yeah, I'll give a little bit of color on the timing. I'll let John talk about the backfill on WeWork and Regal. So timing wise, Paulus and Roe culinary dropout that John mentioned all opened the past couple of weeks. That's about 30% of the pipeline. The rest of it probably is late Q3, four Q-weighted. So it'll have a disproportionate benefit to 2025 versus 2024.
spk18: As regards on where we are with particular tenants, so on Regal theater, we've been going back and forth with two different tenants and we're basically there with a tenant, so you should see that kind of in motion very soon. And so that's nice to get that backfilling and get going. But remember the process on all of these, especially on larger tenants to get open is really running a year. We try to do better and shorten that. Obviously it's really up to the tenant with getting permit drawings, but it's the approval process in certain jurisdictions just take a while as you probably heard across the campus of other companies. With regards to WeWork, we've had this year, we've had several tours with tenants. So there's a couple of tenants out there for the full space. There's a couple of tenants there for half the space or a third of the space. So we're very anxious to get at least. And so our brokers know that. And so we won't let a deal die over small issues. So we're aggressively pursuing tenants in the market.
spk09: And Floris, just to piggyback on that, you are correct. Neither of those spaces are in our S&O pipeline today.
spk14: Got it, so maybe just a follow up on the re-tenanting because again, that theoretically should have fairly high releasing costs, particularly if you're splitting a box as you might in with or a box, I should say the space with WeWork's space there. Is it safe to assume that's gonna cost potentially up to 100 bucks a square foot to re-tenant that space?
spk18: Definitely that could be in the realm. I think we talked about this on conference call, earnings calls six months ago, maybe nine months ago when we were negotiating with a fitness tenant that wanted the whole space. And that would have been north of 100. But I would say 100 is very safe on traditional office space. And if you do something more special, it'll be higher than that. But that's a safe assumption.
spk14: And would that be safe to make that assumption for the regal space as well?
spk18: You know, it's not quite as high as we work, but it's a little bit shy of that. Okay,
spk14: thanks. That's it for me for now. Sure.
spk12: Our next question will come from the line of Rob Stevenson with Jani Montgomery Scott.
spk06: Hey, good morning guys. Is the regal re-tenanting a theater or is that a different concept?
spk18: So it's a different concept. There has been theater interest, but it's a different concept.
spk06: Okay, is that gonna take longer than a year if you're converting a theater to some other use, given the slow floors and all of that sort of stuff?
spk18: It shouldn't take a year. It would take a year because of permitting, but if you didn't have permitting, it would not take a year.
spk06: Okay, that's helpful. And then Matt, the 4 1⁄2 million that you talked about, you know, coming online in 24, is that all on stuff that was not open in the fourth quarter or does that include stuff that may have opened in December but didn't pay a full quarter's worth of rent?
spk09: Yeah, that's gonna be a combination of both, but primarily it's going to be stuff that has not come online yet.
spk06: Okay, but that includes whatever adjustment we need to get to a pro forma for any leases that started paying rent in December and things like that. That's included in that 4 1⁄2.
spk05: That's right.
spk06: Okay, perfect. And then any material known move-outs in 24 or early 25 at this point?
spk09: Just Regal is the only known move-out and that'll be late March, early April.
spk06: Okay, and then how are you guys thinking about the fidelity asset in New Mexico? I mean, given where that's yielding in 100% occupied versus the market for office assets and being able to replace that NOI at some point?
spk18: Yeah, so I would think about it. Well, Rob, what would be more your concern so I can kind of address it appropriately? Well, first
spk06: of all, it's not a great market for office assets, but that's a single tenant asset which has been a little bit better in the marketplace with an A-quality credit tenants. But also is it, what are you looking at if you decide to sell that at some point here in 24, what are you looking at as a likely sort of cap rate spread? Is that gonna wind up being 150, 200 basis points wide of where you can redeploy the proceeds, et cetera? So both, what do you see as the market for that as well as how are you thinking about replacing that NOI going forward?
spk18: Yeah, okay. So I was actually out there this last week and the market in just getting real granular here for you. So since this is our last office asset, I hope you don't mind. But so as you know, it's in the Mesa del Sol master plan community right by the Sandia National Labs, by the Kirkland Air Force Base. So as the government is spending a lot of money on both of those big infrastructures, you're getting a lot of contractor interest in the Albuquerque area and they wanna be as close as possible and Mesa del Sol is the place to be. Netflix is still spending a billion dollars they're under construction for additional movie studios because it's basically a seven iron from the Fidelity campus. And as we talked about, the Fidelity building is a two story building with two separate buildings that could be separated. And so it's the only office building in that whole complex. There's a thousand lots under construction for homes. There's multifamily under construction for homes. There's a planned hotel in the Mesa del Sol that's gonna maybe two homes or two hotels especially for the Netflix business. You have a solar manufacturer that's gonna build a complex, a facility right across the street from Fidelity. And you have an Australian helium energy company that is basically coming into Mesa del Sol. So with that aspect, the market's getting better and better for the Fidelity building. Having said that, we're in discussions with Fidelity about doing maybe an extension with the lease where it can be a lot more marketable and a lot more valuable to us on a sell basis. And then based on that sort of monetization, we feel like it'll be easy to replace, call it income neutral to where we could sell that building. If we had to sell it now and just like, come hell or water to sell it, it would be a little bit not as accretive or basically a loss of income as you replace the capital. But it wouldn't be anything crazy because the building is a class A building built by Forest City and it's in a growing area and no one's gonna build an office building as you know. And there's a lot of people coming into Albuquerque for the big government kind of contractors and new energy, kind of the clean energy sort of tenants. So sorry if that was a little bit too long for you.
spk06: No, no, that was helpful. And then I guess my last question regarding tenants, if you were to dispose of Fidelity, AMC becomes your top tenant. How does those assets look today? Is it with whatever data you're getting and seeing foot traffic on Friday, Saturday nights, et cetera, are those theaters back to doing pretty well or are they still weak? Is it more or less dependent on the, how quickly more blockbusters get released? How are you guys thinking about those theater assets?
spk18: Yeah, so I guess I was taking a little bit of a tour around our portfolio last week. I was also in Atlanta and went to talk with the manager of AMC in Madison Yards. And Madison Yards is basically fourth or fifth in the whole Atlanta region for AMC. It's doing very well and that's out of 15 to 17 theaters. And so they've had some really strong performances as far as films out there. And so they're feeling really good about that theater. If you look at that theater, that's like probably one of the last ones that was built in AMC system. So it's very new and inappropriately sized. The AMC that we have at collection is probably second prime location within the collection property right along the highway, so it has visibility. And that market is basically on fire. And so it would be very easy and very economically advantage to us if they wanted to leave because there'd be a lot of backfill interest with much better credit and possibly higher rent. So we feel very good about our exposure on the theater space right now. Anyway, that's kind of a little bit of that backdrop.
spk06: All right, that's helpful. Thanks guys, appreciate the time and have a great weekend.
spk18: All right, thank you, Rob.
spk12: Our next question will come from the line of Matthew Erdner with Jones Trading.
spk10: Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for taking the question. So given the short term loan, that looks like it's gonna be up kind of second half of the year. Are you expecting acquisitions to be in the second half of the year with dispositions kind of front loaded? And then also what's gonna drive you to the higher range of that guidance towards the 150 million mark rather than the 100?
spk18: Yeah, so we basically have some acquisition activity going on right now. We hope to be kind of front ended, as you mentioned there. And so the timing could be on top of when the seller financing that we did for Sable gets monetized. And so that timing should match up fairly well. And so we have that going on, but I'll let Matt talk about your other question.
spk09: Yeah, Matt, in terms of timing for transaction activity and to hit the top end of the range, like John said, we're working on some stuff right now that would match fund some of the activity that has happened on the disposition side or would happen. But the rest of our guidance assumes that it's pretty back in weighted from an acquisition perspective. And so there is some timing drag between dispositions and acquisitions that comes through the guidance. And then as it relates to hitting the top into that range, I think it's gonna be a function of finding good opportunities on the acquisition side. I think we feel pretty good about the liquidity of the assets that we would wanna sell to match fund. So it's really gonna be opportunistic.
spk11: Yeah,
spk10: I gotcha. And then can you talk about the opportunities that you're currently seeing, whether it's in markets where you're already at or if you're looking to expand into some new markets?
spk18: A little bit of both. So finding opportunities within our markets and new markets.
spk10: Gotcha, and then one last quick one for me. Do you know the cap rate on the acquisitions or the disposition side, if you were to exclude the office transactions?
spk09: I don't have it off the top of my head, Matt, but it's certainly inside of the blended cap rate given the more elevated cap rates on the two offices disposition.
spk11: Gotcha, thank you guys.
spk12: Our next question will come from the line of John Misoka with B. Riley Securities.
spk03: Good morning.
spk21: Good morning, can you hear me? Yeah, so maybe sticking with the theme of guidance and kind of the ranges in the investment activity, what could kind of cause you to be closer to the high end on the cap rate or the investment yield scene? And I guess, as you kind of contemplate that investment volume guidance, are there kind of some more of the structured investments you've been doing recently factored into that, or is it kind of more typical equity investments and shopping center assets that would be kind of making up the bulk of that guidance?
spk18: Yeah, we're definitely looking at just right down the fairway as far as core sort of acquisitions of where the strategy is as far as buying larger format retail where there's different levers of increasing value with bringing in new Tennessee, changing out Tennessee, that sort of thing. And so we feel pretty good that we have our eyes on the higher end of that guidance as far as cap rate without any structured finance investments. We don't have any structured finance investments that we're looking at right now.
spk21: Okay, and then with the in-place portfolio, you kind of mentioned that the cash, if the increasing kind of cash rents was pretty broad based. I mean, I guess is that .9% level or somewhere around there sustainable going forward as we look out into 2024, or was that maybe an anomaly for specific leases that were
spk19: renewed or put in place?
spk09: Yeah, good question. I think on the 2024 leases expiring, there's a pretty good opportunity to drive more rate. The average cash rent per square foot for the lease is expiring in 2024 is $17.83. So that's meaningfully below our average rent for the portfolio and obviously pretty significantly below our last 12 months of leasing activity average rent. So I think they'll continue to be pretty substantial lift on a releasing effort. And then something that's probably a little bit more specific to us in the space is the fact that we have been acquiring vacancy over the past few years. And so there's a lot of runway to drive increased cashflow independent of the comparable lease spreads.
spk21: And then lastly, on the ground lease, can you just provide a little more color on the counterparty there? What's the likelihood that they, in your mind that they would enact, terminate the agreement during the feasibility period and utilize the purchase option, just kind of any additional color there would be helpful.
spk18: Sure, so the group that basically we signed the ground lease with the option to buy, they really wanted to buy the parcel. But for timing perspective that didn't work for us. So we gave them the option and after a year where they could purchase the site. So that was definitely their preferences to buy the site. The group is well capitalized. It will be a very good draw and very complimentary to collection will bring good customers with big spending sort of outlook. And so we're very excited about it. If they drop out, it was a tough choice to go with this group. We had two other groups that were vying for it. And to be honest with you, the other groups would pay more, but we felt more comfortable with this use and the timing, it would go faster than the other groups, but the other groups would pay more. So I have no problem if these guys don't make it work, feel like it'll be fairly easy to backfill that for sure.
spk21: And you might not be able to provide this, but just any kind of color brackets in the purchase option and what that would kind of imply in terms of a return on your investment.
spk18: Yeah, the return will be very, very good for the shareholders. So it would be basically almost a double.
spk20: Okay, that's very helpful and that's it for me. Thank you very much. Great, thanks,
spk12: Joe. Our next question will come from the line of RJ Milligan with Raymond James.
spk16: Hey, good morning, guys. Just one question for me for
spk17: the investment guidance for the year, the cap rates, 775 to 825. I'm just curious, obviously you've shown an appetite to buy back either common or preferred shares and curious with your stock trading in the 8% cap rate range or north of that, how do you feel about additional buybacks versus making more investments?
spk18: Yeah, thanks, RJ. So remember, a lot of this acquisition is being driven by the recycling from, for instance, Santa Fe that's under contract for 20 million, the Ford credit building that we sold, that's part of that money then 1031 and then the seller financing of that will come through. So a lot of it's being driven by 1031 needs. And then the other part of it as you've seen, we were very active in buying back shares at very interesting levels for shareholders. So it wouldn't be, we would not be using proceeds from asset sales to buy back stock, but certainly we would look at other certain levers to buy back stock if it got down to low levels again. For instance, we could sell some of our structure finance investments and use that. So we're certainly not shy about buying back stock when it becomes ridiculous in our opinion and interesting, but a lot of the acquisitions are gonna happen because of the 1031 nature.
spk15: That was it for me, thanks guys.
spk12: As a reminder to ask a question that is star one one. Our next question will come from the line of Michael Gorman with BTIG.
spk13: Yeah, thanks, good morning. Just a quick question, Matt, on the disposition guidance range, does that include the payoff of the seller financing on Sable Pavilion or is that above and beyond the disposition guidance?
spk09: No, that would be above and beyond the disposition guidance.
spk13: Okay, great, and the remaining two structured investments after that, do they, I know John just mentioned potentially selling, but do they also have any accelerated prepayment options associated with those?
spk18: If they do, we have a make whole provision.
spk04: Okay,
spk13: great, thanks
spk04: so much. Thank you.
spk12: And that concludes today's question and answer session. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may
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spk12: Okay. Okay. Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the CTO Realty Growth fourth quarter 2023 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the CTO Realty Growth fourth quarter the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I'd now like to hand the conference over to your host today, Matt Partridge, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.
spk08: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for the CTO
spk09: Realty Growth fourth quarter and full year 2023 operation results conference call. With me today is our CEO and President, John Albright. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that many of our comments today are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities law. The company's actual future results may differ significantly from the matters discussed in these forward-looking statements and we undertake no duty to update these statements. Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are disclosed from time to time in greater detail in the company's form 10-K, form 10-Q, and other SEC filings. You can find our SEC reports, earnings release, quarterly supplemental, and those recent investor presentation on our website at ctoreeve.com. With that, I'll now turn the call over to John.
spk18: Thanks, Matt, and good morning, everyone. We had a terrific fourth quarter of execution in nearly all aspects of our business, resulting in core FFO and ASFO per share growth of 41%, which was meaningfully ahead of our expectations and consensus estimates. Our strong fourth quarter drove a significant beat above the top end of our previously provided full year guidance, fueled by fourth quarter same property NOI growth of 4.7%, better than expected tenant retention and property level NOI at some of our more recently acquired properties that are not included in our same property statistics. Continued strength in leasing, where we generated comparable rent spreads of nearly 18% during the quarter and .5% for the year. And beneficial timing related to the flurry of dispositions we had to finish 2023. Overall, I'm pleased at the way our team executed as we worked our way back from some unexpected tenant departures early last year. I'm happy to say we're continuing to see that positive momentum carry forward into the first quarter of 2024, where we've had a very strong couple of months. The supply demand balance that many people have highlighted as a multi-year tailwind for retail helped drive our strong leasing activity during the quarter. This is evidenced by our signing of nearly 100,000 square feet of new leases, renewals, options and extensions and average rent of $32.66 per square foot. To put that into perspective, this per square foot value for the fourth quarter was at least 23% higher than the average rents achieved in the first, second or third quarters of 2023. In addition to our ability to push rates, quality of the leasing during the fourth quarter was relatively widespread. With the collection at Forsyte and West Broad Village seeing the most activity, and more than half of the rents coming from leading brands such as REI, Fidelity, UBS, Ford's Garage and J.Crew. Our 18% comparable growth in new cash-based rents versus expiring rents is going to help push same store NOI in 2024 and even more so in 2025. When we'll get the full benefit of some of the larger leases signed on acquired vacancy, when we lapped over the natural timing disruption. For the full year, the quality of our locations, strong demographics and targeted lease-up strategies allowed us to sign nearly half a million square feet of leases resulting in our signed but not open pipeline totally more than 6% of the portfolio cash-based rents and it's growing. We ended the year with a modest increase to occupancy, finishing at .3% and leased occupancy increased to 93.3%, both of which are a testament to our leasing activity given that we've largely been selling 100% occupied assets. During the fourth quarter, we sold six properties for $64 million at a weighted average -to-cap rate at 7.8%. These dispositions include a community shopping center in Fort Worth, Texas, a small format retail property in Henderson, Nevada, three single tenant retail out parcels at our Crossroads Town Center in Chandler, Arizona and one of our two remaining single tenant office properties. For the full year, we sold nine properties for $87 million at a weighted average -to-cap rate at .5% and generated total gains of sales of 6.6 million. On the investment's front, it was a relatively quiet period. However, throughout 2023, we invested $80 million into four retail properties and one land parcel and originated two first mortgage investments totaling $30 million. In aggregate, we've invested at a blended going in cash yield of 7.7%, which is notably above our 2023 disposition cap rate that was negatively impacted by the higher exit cap rates on two office property sales. As we close the book on 2023 and shift our focus on 2024, I'm very excited about some of the recent activity in our portfolio and investment opportunities we're seeing in the market. From a transactions perspective, we are under contract with a non-refundable deposit to sell our mixed use property in Santa Fe, New Mexico for $20 million. We anticipate this sale will close before the end of the quarter in the proceeds from this sale combined with restricted cash and seller financing proceeds from the most recent office sales give us dry powder to acquire larger format retail properties that are more core to our strategy. To put some context around the early 2024 positive momentum, Pauliton Row, an established food hall experience in Atlanta and Culinary Dropout, a well-known sandbox restaurant concept, both opened at Ashford Lane this month. And Fogadah Chow just opened last week to a very strong reception at West Broad Village in Richmond. Together, just these three tenants combined for approximately $1.4 million in annual base rent. In addition, just in the past week, we signed a ground lease on the undeveloped 10 acres we purchased less than six months ago that is adjacent to the collection at Forsyth. In the same week, we sold our remaining non-income producing subsurface insurance for a gross proceeds of $5 million, which we intend to tax efficiently redeploy into an investment acquisition. With that, I'll let Matt highlight our portfolio, go into details about 2023 financial results and provide some more specifics regarding our 2024 guidance. And then we'll open it up for questions. Matt.
spk09: Thanks, John. We ended the year with 20 properties totaling 3.7 million square feet of leasable space in eight states and 12 markets. Our portfolio continues to be concentrated in some of the fastest growing areas of the Sun Belt with Atlanta and Dallas now representing 50% of our annualized base rent. And the majority of our other markets are in higher growth population states such as Texas, Florida, Arizona, and North Carolina. Recent disposition activities have allowed us to decrease the standalone office exposure in our portfolio to less than 5% at year end 2023 compared to 10% at year end 2022. And our top tenant list continues to increase in quality with Whole Foods, Publix, Dick's Sporting Goods, Darden Restaurants, Best Buy, TJ Maxx Home Goods, AMC, Fidelity, and Ross Dress for Less, all solidified as top 10 tenants. Our earnings for the fourth quarter of 2023 surpassed expectations with Core FSO per share demonstrating its fourth consecutive quarter of acceleration coming in at 48 cents per share, representing a .2% increase compared to the fourth quarter of 2022. And fourth quarter 2023, AFFO was 52 cents per share, representing a .5% increase over the fourth quarter of 2022. Q4 Core FFO and AFFO year over year comparisons benefited from better tenant retention, higher rents, and better NOI flow through at many of our recently acquired properties. A .7% increase in same property NOI, most notably driven by strong percentage rents at our Daytona Beach restaurants and the full year benefits from the repositioning and lease up of Ashford Lane, lease termination payments related to tenants who previously vacated, increased interest income from the makeup and size of our structured investments portfolio, and growth and management fees and dividend income. The strength in our results was partially offset by higher interest expense and increased income taxes, as well as the full year effects of our December 2022 common equity rates. For the year Core FFO was $1.77 per share and AFFO was $1.91 per share, representing a year over year per share growth of 2% and 4% respectively when compared to 2022. After accounting for the impact of the three for one stock split in 2022, AFFO per share in 2023 represents an all time record year for the company since it converted to a REIT in 2020. As we previously announced, the company paid a fourth quarter regular cash dividend of 38 cents per share in December, resulting in a Q4 2023 AFFO payout ratio of 73%. And earlier this week, the company declared its first quarter 2024 regular common stock cash dividend of 38 cents per share, which is payable on March 28th to shareholders of record on March 14th. This is the company's 48 consecutive year of declaring a common dividend, and the 38 cents per share represents a very attractive current annualized yield of approximately 9.2%. During the fourth quarter, we maintained our opportunistic approach to capital allocation, repurchasing more than 14,000 shares of our series A preferred stock at an average price of $18.40 per share. This represents a 26% discount to liquidation preference. And we also repurchased over 62,000 shares of our common stock at an average price of $15.72 per share, which has an effective annualized yield on costs of 9.7%. As part of our approach to balance sheet and interest rate management, we entered into a new $50 million forward starting interest rate swap agreement to fix SOFR at an average fixed swap rate of .85% for the period between February 2024 and January, 2028. This locks in nearly all of our remaining variable interest rate exposure on our balance sheet at a current all-in fixed rate of 5.45%, which is approximately 150 basis points below the current exploding interest rate. We ended the year with net debt at a total enterprise value of 51% and our net debt to perform at EBITDA improved quarter over quarter to 7.6 times. With the more than 150 million of total liquidity from available cash, restricted cash, and undrawn revolver commitments, as well as the anticipated proceeds from our Santa Fe property sale, we're well positioned to be opportunistic in the transaction market this year. Turning to our 2024 guidance, we expect core FFO to be between $1.56 to $1.64 per diluted share. And AFFO is forecasted to be between $1.70 and $1.78 per diluted share. We're anticipating investment activity between 100 and 150 million at a weighted average initial investment yield of .75% to .25% and our disposition guidance assumes 75 million to 125 million of asset sales at a weighted average exit cap rate between .5% and 8.25%. Our assumptions for 2024, which conservatively contemplates cash flow disruption related to the timing of our dispositions and investments, also includes very strong lease up assumptions for the current portfolio. Before taking into account our transaction activities, we're projecting lease occupancy to be between 95% and 96% by year end, implying gains of approximately 200 to 300 basis points during the year, which would be a strong tailwind for 2025. Same property NOI in 2024 is forecasted to increase between 2% to 4%, which is most materially impacted by the loss rent from WeWork in 2024 and our expectation that there will be timing disruption between when some of our known lease expirations occur and when the replacement tenants rent commence. Both of these drugs in 2024 are expected to reverse and provide incremental growth in 2025. As part of our guidance assumptions, we've maintained credit loss reserves between 75 and 100 basis points of property level revenue, which is consistent with our historical run rate and we're not currently projecting any additional share issuances or repurchases. And finally, as John mentioned, our Sign But Not Open or S&O pipeline continues to grow, representing $4.5 million of incremental feature-based rent or more than 6% of our current portfolio's cash-based rents. Combined with the positive leasing momentum, potential upside to our guidance from the timing of transactions and the long-term benefits of our asset management and technology initiatives, we're setting the stage for a strong 2024 and the potential for a milestone year in 2025. With that, I'll now turn it back over to the operator to open the line for questions.
spk12: As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question at this time, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A
spk02: roster. Our first question comes from the line of
spk12: Flores Van Dykem with CompassPoint.
spk14: Hey, morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. John, obviously you guys got a lot of things moving and happy, I think investors are probably happy to see you get rid of some of that office exposure, which appears to be a little bit of a problem. It appears to be unloved in the markets today. Maybe if you could talk a little bit about your other initiatives that you've been doing, including bringing the property management in-house that I believe in Atlanta, are there steps underway to do the same thing in Dallas and what kind of uplift could investors expect going forward from these kinds of initiatives?
spk18: Yeah, thanks, Flores. I'll let Matt talk about the uplift, but as far as structure, we do have an expanding team in Atlanta. It's been very successful and beneficial to us having people on the ground and a lot of efficiencies there, especially just people with an owner's eye on our properties there. And given that we've had all these restaurant openings with the Appalachian Food Hall is just open, Colony Dropout just open, it's just really been critical to have people there on the ground and very helpful. And with regards to Dallas, we're starting a little bit of that process. We don't have quite as large a presence there as in Atlanta, but you could see that sort of opportunity as well down the road.
spk09: Hey Flores, it's Matt. From an uplift perspective, I think Atlanta probably provides at least one to two cents a share, and that's without a more focused team probably getting some economies of scale in terms of bidding out cohesive contracts for the entire portfolio in the market. So there's probably upside to that one to two cents.
spk14: Thanks, and maybe if I could follow through as well, the S&O pipeline, I think you indicated is four and a half million of ABR, around 6% of your ABR. When is the timing of that coming online and does that include backs, presumably that does not include the backfills for WeWork or the theater in North Carolina, but if you can give us a little bit more color on the timing and also in those two particular spaces, what's happening on backfilling those?
spk09: Yeah, I'll give a little bit of color on the timing. I'll let John talk about the backfill on WeWork and Regal. So timing-wise, Paulus and Roe culinary dropout and Fogarty Child that John mentioned all opened the past couple weeks. That's about 30% of the pipeline. The rest of it probably is late Q3, four-Q weighted. So it'll have a disproportionate benefit to 2025 versus 2024.
spk18: And as regards on where we are with particular tents, so on Regal Theater, we've been going back and forth with two different tenants and we're basically there with a tenant, so you should see that kind of in motion very soon. And so that's nice to get that backfilling and get going, but remember the process on all of these, especially on larger tenants to get open is really running a year. We try to do better and shorten that. Obviously it's really up to the tenant with getting permit drawings, but it's the approval process in certain jurisdictions just take a while, as you've probably heard, across the campus of other companies. With regards to WeWork, this year we've had several tours with tenants, so there's a couple tenants out there for the full space. There's a couple tenants there for half the space or a third of the space. So we're very anxious to get at least, and so our brokers know that, and so we won't let a deal die over small issues, so we're aggressively pursuing tenants in the market.
spk09: And Floris, just to piggyback on that, you are correct. Neither of those spaces are in our S&O pipeline today.
spk14: Got it, so maybe just a follow-up on the re-tenanting, because again, that theoretically should have fairly high releasing costs, particularly if you're splitting a box, as you might in with, or a box, I should say, the space with WeWork's space there. Is it safe to assume that's gonna cost potentially up to 100 bucks a square foot to re-tenant that space?
spk18: Definitely, that could be in the realm. I think we talked about this on conference call, earnings calls six months ago, maybe nine months ago, when we were negotiating with a fitness tenant that wanted the whole space, and that would have been north of 100, but I would say 100 is very safe on traditional office space, and if you do something more special, it'll be higher than that, but that's a safe assumption.
spk14: And would that be safe to make that assumption for the regal space as well?
spk18: You know, it's not quite as high as we work, but it's a little bit shy of that.
spk14: Okay, thanks, that's it for me for now. Sure.
spk12: Our next question will come from the line of Rob Stevenson with Janny Montgomery Scott.
spk06: Good morning, guys. Is the regal re-tenanting a theater, or is that a different concept?
spk18: So it's a different concept. There has been theater interest, but it's a different concept.
spk06: Okay, is that gonna take longer than a year if you're converting a theater to some other use, given the slope floors and all of that sort of stuff?
spk18: It shouldn't take a year. It would take a year because of permitting, but if you didn't have permitting, it would not take a year.
spk06: Okay, that's helpful. And then, Matt, the 4.5 million that you talked about coming online in 24, is that all on stuff that was not open in the fourth quarter, or does that include stuff that may have opened in December but didn't pay a full quarter's worth of rent?
spk09: Yeah, that's gonna be a combination of both, but primarily it's going to be stuff that has not come online yet.
spk06: Okay, but that includes whatever adjustment we need to get to a pro forma for any leases that started paying rent in December and things like that. That's included in that 4.5?
spk05: That's right.
spk06: Okay, perfect. And then, any material known move-outs in 24 or early 25 at this point?
spk09: Just Regal is the only known move-out, and that'll be late March, early April.
spk06: Okay, and then, how are you guys thinking about the Fidelity asset in New Mexico, I mean, given where that's yielding in 100% occupied versus the market for office assets and being able to replace that NOI at some point?
spk18: Yeah, so I would think about it, well, Rob, what would be more your concern so I can kind of address it appropriately? Well, first
spk06: of all, it's not a great market for office assets, but that's a single tenant asset, which has been a little bit better in the marketplace with an A-quality credit tenant. But also, is it, what are you looking at if you decide to sell that at some point here in 24, what are you looking at as a likely sort of cap rate spread? Is that gonna wind up being 150, 200 basis points wide of where you can redeploy the proceeds, et cetera? So both, what do you see as the market for that as well as how are you thinking about replacing that NOI going forward?
spk18: Yep, okay. So I was actually out there this last week, and the market in, just getting real granular here for you, so since this is our last office asset, I hope you don't mind. But so as you know, it's in the Mesa del Sol master plan community right by the Sandia National Labs, by the Kirkland Air Force Base. So as the government's spending a lot of money on both of those big infrastructures, you're getting a lot of contractor interest in the Albuquerque area, and they wanna be as close as possible, and Mesa del Sol is the place to be. Netflix is still spending a billion dollars, they're under construction for additional movie studios. It's basically a seven iron from the Fidelity campus. And as we talked about, the Fidelity building is a two story building with two separate buildings that could be separated. And so it's the only office building in that whole complex. There's a thousand lots under construction for homes. There's multifamily under construction for homes. There's a planned hotel in the Mesa del Sol that's gonna maybe two homes, or two hotels for, especially for the Netflix business. You have a solar manufacturer that's gonna build a complex, a facility, right across the street from Fidelity. And you have an Australian helium energy company that is basically coming into Mesa del Sol. So with that aspect, the market's getting better and better for the Fidelity building. Having said that, we're in discussions with Fidelity about doing maybe an extension with the lease where it can be a lot more marketable and a lot more valuable to us on a sell basis. And then based on that sort of monetization, we feel like it'll be easy to replace, call it income neutral to where we could sell that building. If we had to sell it now and just like, come hell or water to sell it, it would be a little bit not as accretive or basically a loss of income as you replace the capital. But it wouldn't be anything crazy because the building is a class A building built by Forest City, and it's in a growing area and no one's gonna build an office building as you know. And there's a lot of people coming into Albuquerque for the big government kind of contractors and new energy, kind of the clean energy sort of tenants. So sorry if that was a little bit too long for you.
spk06: No, no, that was helpful. And then I guess my last question regarding tenants, if you were to dispose of Fidelity, AMC becomes your top tenant. How does those assets look today? Is it with whatever data you're getting and seeing foot traffic on Friday, Saturday nights, et cetera, are those theaters back to doing pretty well? Are they still weak? Is it more or less dependent on the, how quickly more blockbusters get released? How are you guys thinking about those theater assets?
spk18: Yeah, so I guess I was taking a little bit of a tour around our portfolio last week. I was also in Atlanta and went to talk with the manager of AMC in Madison Yards. And Madison Yards is basically fourth or fifth in the whole Atlanta region for AMC. It's doing very well. And that's out of 15 to 17 theaters. And so they've had some really strong performances as far as films out there. And so they're feeling really good about that theater. If you look at that theater, that's like probably one of the last ones that was built in AMC system. So it's very new and inappropriately sized. The AMC that we have at collection is probably second prime location within the collection property right along the highway. So it has visibility and that market is basically on fire. And so it would be very easy and very economically advantage to us if they wanted to leave because there'd be a lot of backfill interest with much better credit and possibly higher rent. So we feel very good about our exposure on the theater space right now. Anyway, that's kind of a little bit of that backdrop.
spk06: All right, that's helpful. Thanks guys, appreciate the time and have a great weekend.
spk18: All right, thank you, Ron.
spk12: Our next question will come from the line of Matthew Erdner with Jones Trading.
spk10: Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for taking the question. So given the short term loan, that looks like it's gonna be up kind of second half of the year. Are you expecting acquisitions to be in the second half of the year with dispositions kind of front loaded? And then also what's gonna drive you to the higher range of that guidance towards the 150 million mark rather than the 100?
spk18: Yeah, so we basically have some acquisition activity going on right now. We hope to be kind of front ended, as you mentioned there. And so the timing could be on top of when the seller financing that we did for Sable gets monetized. And so that timing should match up fairly well. And so we have that going on, but I'll let Matt talk about your other question.
spk09: Yeah, Matt, in terms of timing for transaction activity and to hit the top end of the range, like John said, we're working on some stuff right now that would match fund some of the activity that has happened on the disposition side or would happen. But the rest of our guidance assumes that it's pretty back in weighted from an acquisition perspective. And so there is some timing drag between dispositions and acquisitions that comes through the guidance. And then as it relates to hitting the top into that range, I think it's gonna be a function of finding good opportunities on the acquisition side. I think we feel pretty good about the liquidity of the assets that we would wanna sell to match fund. So it's really gonna be opportunistic.
spk10: Yeah, I gotcha. And then can you talk about the opportunities that you're currently seeing, whether it's in markets where you're already at, or if you're looking to expand into some new markets?
spk18: A little bit of both. So finding opportunities within our markets and new markets.
spk10: Gotcha, and then one last quick one for me. Do you know the cap rate on the acquisitions or the disposition side, if you were to exclude the office transactions?
spk09: I don't have it off the top of my head, Matt, but it's certainly inside of the blended cap rate given the more elevated cap rates on the two offices disposition.
spk11: Gotcha, thank you guys.
spk12: Our next question will come from the line of John Misoka with B. Riley Securities.
spk03: Good morning.
spk21: Good morning, can you hear me? Yeah, so maybe sticking with the theme of guidance and kind of the ranges in the investment activity, what could kind of cause you to be closer to the high end on the cap rate or the investment yield scene? And I guess, as you kind of contemplate that investment volume guidance, are there kind of some more of the structured investments you've been doing recently factored into that, or is it kind of more typical equity investments and shopping center assets that would be kind of making up the bulk of that guidance?
spk18: Yeah, we're definitely looking at just right down the fairway as far as core sort of acquisitions of where the strategy is as far as buying larger format retail where there's different levers of increasing value with bringing in new tenancy, changing out tenancy, that sort of thing. And so we feel pretty good that we have our eyes on the higher end of that guidance as far as cap rate without any structured finance investments. We don't have any structured finance investments that we're looking at right now.
spk21: Okay, and then with the in-place portfolio, you kind of mentioned that the cash, if the increasing kind of cash rents was pretty broad based. I mean, I guess is that .9% level or somewhere around there sustainable going forward as we look out into 2024, or was that maybe an anomaly for specific leases that were
spk19: renewed or put in place?
spk09: Yeah, good question. I think on the 2024 leases expiring, there's a pretty good opportunity to drive more rate. The average cash rent per square foot for the lease is expiring in 2024 is $17.83. So that's meaningfully below our average rent for the portfolio and obviously pretty significantly below. So that's our last 12 months of leasing activity, average rent. So I think they'll continue to be pretty substantial lift on a releasing effort. And then something that's probably a little bit more specific to us in the space is the fact that we have been acquiring vacancy over the past few years. And so there's a lot of runway to drive increased cashflow independent of the comparable lease spreads.
spk21: Okay, and then lastly, on the ground lease, can you just provide a little more color on the counterparty there? What's the likelihood that they, in your mind that they would enact, terminate the agreement during the feasibility period and utilize the purchase option, just kind of any additional color there would be helpful.
spk18: Sure, so the group that basically we signed the ground lease with the option to buy, they really wanted to buy the parcel. But for timing perspective, that didn't work for us. So we gave them the option and after a year where they could purchase the site. So that was definitely their preferences to buy the site. The group is well capitalized. It will be a very good draw and very complimentary to collection will bring good customers with big spending sort of outlook. And so we're very excited about it. If they drop out, it was a tough choice to go with this group. We had two other groups that were vying for it. And to be honest with you, the other groups would pay more, but we felt more comfortable with this use and the timing, it would go faster than the other groups, but the other groups would pay more. So I have no problem if these guys don't make it work, feel like it'll be fairly easy to backfill that for sure.
spk21: And you might not be able to provide this, but just any kind of color brackets in the purchase option and what that would kind of imply in terms of a return on your investment.
spk18: Yeah, the return will be very, very good for the shareholders. So it would be basically almost a double.
spk20: Okay, that's very helpful and that's it for me. Thank you very much. Great,
spk04: thanks,
spk12: Joe. Our next question will come from the line of RJ Milligan with Raymond James.
spk16: Hey, good morning, guys. Just one question for me for the
spk17: investment guidance for the year, the cap rates, 775 to 825. I'm just curious, obviously you've shown an appetite to buy back either common or preferred shares and curious with your stock trading in the 8% cap rate range or north of that, how do you feel about additional buybacks versus making more investments?
spk18: Yeah, thanks, RJ. So remember, a lot of this acquisition is being driven by the recycling from, for instance, Santa Fe, the center contract for 20 million, the Ford credit building that we sold, that's part of that money, then 1031, and then the seller financing of that will come through. So a lot of it's being driven by 1031 needs. And then the other part of it, as you've seen, we were very active in buying back shares at very interesting levels for shareholders. So it wouldn't be, we would not be using proceeds from asset sales to buy back stock, but certainly we would look at other certain levers to buy back stock if it got down to low levels again. For instance, we could sell some of our structure finance investments and use that. So we're certainly not shy about buying back stock when it becomes ridiculous in our opinion and interesting, but a lot of the acquisitions are gonna happen because of the 1031 nature.
spk15: That was it for me, thanks guys.
spk12: As a reminder to ask a question that is star one one. Our next question will come from the line of Michael Gorman with BTIG.
spk13: Yeah, thanks, good morning. Just a quick question, Matt, on the disposition guidance range, does that include the payoff of the seller financing on Sable Pavilion or is that above and beyond the disposition guidance?
spk09: No, that would be above and beyond the disposition guidance.
spk13: Okay, great, and the remaining two structured investments after that, do they, I know John just mentioned potentially selling, but do they also have any accelerated prepayment options associated with those?
spk18: If they do, we have a make whole provision.
spk13: Okay, great,
spk04: thanks so much. Thank you.
spk12: And that concludes today's question and answer session. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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